Did you know that the NFL is a tax-exempt nonprofit?
Once in a while, I run across something that I did not know and it leaves me flabbergasted.
For example, I did not know that the National Football League, the colossus of professional sports, is classified as a non-profit — a tax-free non-profit, to be more specific. That’s right: The NFL has its own exemption, written into federal law, that makes it exempt from federal corporate taxes.
IT'S GOOD! ... to be a tax-exempt nonprofit
The Professional Golf Association and the National Hockey League, among others, enjoy a similar exemption although in their cases, it is not an exemption specifically written into the law.
As described in Waste Book 2012 — compiled by the staff of U.S. Sen. Tom Coburn, a conservative Republican from Oklahoma:
In 2010, the registered NFL nonprofit alone received $184 million from its 32 member teams. It holds over $1 billion in assets. Together with its subsidiaries and teams – many of which are for-profit, taxed entities – the NFL generates an estimated $9 billion annually. Each of its teams are among the top 50 most expensive sports teams in the world, ranking alongside the world’s famous soccer teams. Almost half of professional football teams are valued at over $1 billion….
League commissioners and officials benefit from the nonprofit status of their organizations. Roger Goodell, commissioner of the NFL, reported $11.6 million in salary and perks in 2010 alone. Goodell’s salary will reportedly reach $20 million in 2019. Steve Bornstein, the executive vice president of media, made $12.2 million in 2010. Former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue earned $8.5 million from the league in 2010. The league paid five other officials a total of $19.2 million in just one year. In comparison, the next highest salary of a traditional nonprofit CEO is $3.4 million.
The NFL’s exemption stems from a 1966 law, passed at the time of the merger with the old American Football League, specifically allowing “professional football leagues” to enjoy 501(c)(6) status as tax-exempt trade organizations. Other leagues have piggy-backed on that legislation to claim that status themselves.
Major League Baseball also used to enjoy the same tax-exempt protection, but in 2007 it chose to surrender that status in part because as the salary information above illustrates, tax-exempt, non-profit status requires you to report the salaries of your top executives. MLB decided that protecting that information from the public was more important than escaping taxes.
As the Coburn report points out, “state and local governments usually exempt these organizations from state income and sales tax as well….” As the Indiana Business Journal reported, that proved to be a nice little perk when the Super Bowl was held in Indianapolis this year, because “hotels and restaurants … won’t be taxing National Football League employees. They’re exempt from paying, according to an Indiana Department of Revenue directive. The NFL is using its tax-exempt status as a 501(c)(6) to avoid paying the taxes, in addition to fuel, auto rental and admissions taxes.”
In Atlanta’s case, a hotel-motel tax was used to build the Georgia Dome and would also be used to help finance the proposed new open-air stadium demanded by the Falcons. If Georgia tax law is like that of many states, the NFL and its employees would be exempted from paying the tax that everyone else must pay to subsidize stadiums built for a highly profitable industry.
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
I just ordered “binders gone wild”…. and “Binders of the SEC”
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:12 pm
USMC
Doesn’t say anything about what kind of person Mao was other than that he was an astute political philosopher.
It’s like answering “Hitler was a great political orator” with “but he murdered millions of people!!!” They are not related.
Queen Of Mean
October 18th, 2012
2:12 pm
getalife – any idea how the other polls are polling?
If these polls put Obama behind, i hope it galvanizes the base to get up off of their rear ends and VOTE!
Before a lot of people were of the mindset, “Well, he has this in the bag! I don’t have to vote!”
Maybe now they’ll see that NOTHING is a sure thing.
Except death, taxes and Mitt Romney having a Cayman Account.
And owning a few Chineese companies where there’s virtually slave labor.
Other than that…………..
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 18th, 2012
2:12 pm
Here’s another bit of historic info:
And no candidate who has led in mid-October with 50 percent or more in the likely voter poll has ever gone on to lose.“
Gallup has Romney over 50% and last time I checked it’s October…Too bad we only have a choice between these two…both scare me in equal amounts..
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:13 pm
Keep Up
Don’t go blind playing with your… blinders -
Aquagirl
October 18th, 2012
2:13 pm
I just ordered “binders gone wild”…. and “Binders of the SEC”
Just make sure you don’t store them all in the same place, they’ll synchronize “that time.”
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:15 pm
Doggone/GA
“I have a different take on it. I do not think religious aurthorities should be deputized to perform a legal function.”
I did write the ceremonies performed by churches would have no legal effects. Only ecclesiastical.
Queen Of Mean
October 18th, 2012
2:15 pm
You forgot to mention California Binders — the Lindsay Lohan edition………..
and my personal Dudley’s favorite:
Sports Illustrated’ Binders Edition!!
AmericaShrugged
October 18th, 2012
2:16 pm
In three short weeks with mostly good economic news the President goes from up 5 points to minus 7 points? Maybe next debate he can get a biased moderator and a teleprompter!
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 18th, 2012
2:16 pm
Mao’s astute political philosphies led to millions of deaths by his hand. Ideas have consequences and to respect his ideas says volumes about that person. Just like Obama’s influences were anti-American and the chickens are now coming home to roost. Obama is a great orator and a terrible president.
stands for decibels
October 18th, 2012
2:16 pm
Off topic, but About Flippin’ Time, Team Obama:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/10/18/obama-romney-abortion-election-2012-anderson-cooper/1641673/
Obama ad: Romney would ban abortion
The ad replays a moment during a Republican primary debate in which moderator Anderson Cooper asks GOP candidates, “If Roe v. Wade was overturned, Congress passed a federal ban on all abortions and it came to your desk — would you sign it? Yes or no?”
The ad quotes Romney as saying: “I’d be delighted to sign that bill.”
Can’t wait to hear Team Romney squeal that we’re being unFAAAIIIR…
Mick
October 18th, 2012
2:17 pm
**Obama didn’t build the intellegence network and armed forces used to get Bin Laden either..**
You’re right, clinton did…
Queen Of Mean
October 18th, 2012
2:17 pm
Where is Kam? He would’ve had a field day with this “Binders” thing!
Kam would’ve thought of 1/2 dozen “Binder” analogies!!
stands for decibels
October 18th, 2012
2:18 pm
the President goes from up 5 points to minus 7 points?
in a national Gallup poll, that won’t include people who’ve seen the debates, yes. Why Jay feels compelled to interject these factoids in some kind of weird panic attack, I’ve no idea.
Mighty Righty
October 18th, 2012
2:18 pm
This is an example of selective outrage. The NFL is a not fpr profit organization the same as a labor union. Labor unions do not pay income taxes. The executives of both organizations do pay taxes.
Doggone/GA
October 18th, 2012
2:18 pm
“I did write the ceremonies performed by churches would have no legal effects. Only ecclesiastical”
but I don’t see the point in making people go through 2 ceremonies when it can all be done in one, at the same place and time.
larry
October 18th, 2012
2:18 pm
Gallup also has the Presidents approval rating at 50% also.
Interesting.
Also, in the average poll of polls , the race is virtually tied with Romney with a 1.0% lead
That Black Guy
October 18th, 2012
2:18 pm
Elect Romney and he’ll (according to some of the things he says that may have already been contradicted by other things he says) roll back welcome changes to health care market, increase the deficit, start a war with Iran, kill off nursing home care for seniors, destroy the promise of SS and Medicare, and make abortion something the government gets to arbitrate.
You left off, Romney will:
Eat your babies.
Impregnate your cat.
Blot out the sun.
Force you to buy magic drawers.
Ban show tunes.
Reverse the earths polarity.
and…
Force everyone to become old, rich, white guys (because they are the ONLY people he cares about).
Queen Of Mean
October 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
Be thee Warrior……….or be thee Binder?
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
Lonely Binder would like to meet similar Binder for binding. Will meet for lunch and pick up the TAB. LEAF me a message. Not interested in a RING just yet.
Verbal Kint
October 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
Stevie Ray, GASP!, THE GATEWAY PUNDIT! Why you right wing idealogue! Don’t post that junk here! Only Salon, 538blog, demunderground, or Finn’s fav ROLLING STONE are allowed.
stands for decibels
October 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
And if you guys want to have this argument, where you’re crying “baybee killuhz!” and we’re supporting sound public policy backed by a solid majority of American voters, by all means, have at it lads.
Verbal Kint
October 18th, 2012
2:21 pm
The fact that some of you on here are talking about ‘binders’ as an issue in this campaign pretty much tells me how desperate you and your candidate are..
Queen Of Mean
October 18th, 2012
2:22 pm
Force everyone to become old, rich, white guys (because they are the ONLY people he cares about).
He also cares bout young white guys. his portfolio, his grandkids, his portfolio, his wife, his portfolio, and his portfolio!
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:22 pm
Doggone/GA
Nothing says it couldn’t.
Could be same time. Or different times.
Choice. It’s a wonderful thing.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 18th, 2012
2:23 pm
S. Ray — “Some are also projecting that Obama will need record turnout to win…who knows if prediction of turnout is remotely credible but it’s the only one I can find…”
FWIW, I don’t have any confidence whatsoever in turnout models. Turnout is such an ephemeral thing that turns on so many different variables for so many individual voters — and now with early voting taking place in so many states, you really have no basis any longer on which to predicate any sort of prediction.
Frankly, I think turnout models are akin to slaughtering a chicken and then trying to read the future in its entrails.
Verbal Kint
October 18th, 2012
2:23 pm
So stands, if Roe vs. Wade is overturned, won’t the abortion matter then go to the states? Do you REALLY believe it would be overturned? Did G.W. Bush try when he had the house majority?
When your campaign runs out of ideas, you try to scare people. – B. Obama 2007
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
Paul:
If there is a so called legal right to have one’s same sex “cohabitor” treated the same as a spouse by one’s employer ………………. then there will have to be a future right to have one’s “two cohabitors” (i.e., wives) treated the same.
There is no end to it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 18th, 2012
2:25 pm
Verbal Kint :
It took 200 years to get the evil of slavery overturned.
Give it time.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 18th, 2012
2:25 pm
Doggone — “I have a different take on it. I do not think religious aurthorities should be deputized to perform a legal function. I think everyone should be married by a legal authority. If they want a church blessing on their marriage, there should be 2 presiding authorities: the religious one to bless the wedding, and a legal one to pronounce the marriage legal and to sign the marriage license.”
Is this not how it’s done in many European countries? Civil ceremony first, then a church wedding if the couple wants it?
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:25 pm
afternoon, stands
Your 2:16 – that doesn’t count. Was during the primary.
Your 2:19 – what Radical Lifers seem to have not comprehended (or have chosen to ignore) is that, by their definition, Romney falls squarely in the ‘baby killer’ camp.
I suggest they follow their consciences and stay home on election day.
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 18th, 2012
2:26 pm
sfd..the Abortion issue is split down the middle in this country, hardly a solid majority of Americans. Killing babies in the name of women’s rights is never sound public policy.
Mighty Righty
October 18th, 2012
2:26 pm
The point all of you seemingly brain dead democrats seem to miss is that abortion is legal under constitution. A ban on abortion would require the constituion be amended so any fear Romney would do that is simplle minded fear. Obama on the other hand ignores those laws with which he disagrees so Roe v Wade is in danger along with all laws with him in the white house.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 18th, 2012
2:26 pm
POLLS: “Romney takes first lead in electoral college…”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 18th, 2012
2:26 pm
There is no end to it
Ahh, the animals and aliens slippery slope absurdity card.
Aquagirl
October 18th, 2012
2:26 pm
There is no end to it.
Do you want an America where anyone can marry their binder? I sure don’t.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 18th, 2012
2:27 pm
“The point all of you seemingly brain dead democrats seem to miss is that abortion is legal under constitution.”
So was slavery.
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:27 pm
Scout
I’ve listened to Bill O Reilly make those arguments. I believe they are not valid.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 18th, 2012
2:28 pm
V. Kint — “The fact that some of you on here are talking about ‘binders’ as an issue in this campaign pretty much tells me how desperate you and your candidate are..”
Who says we’re talking about it as an *issue?*
We’re mocking the bonehead y’all nominated.
Spot the difference.
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 18th, 2012
2:28 pm
I am not debating the Abortion issue, just saying that the majority of baby killers vote Democrat. If you are one, that’s ok.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 18th, 2012
2:28 pm
“Ahh, the animals and aliens slippery slope absurdity card.”
Noooooooooooo …………….. the slippery slope polygamy card.
Liberal Nightmare
October 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
This be da words of dem Obama So’pottas
http://twitchy.com/2012/10/17/post-presidential-debate-obama-supporters-renew-vows-to-murder-mitt-romney/
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
You didn’t build that is a much more Boneheaded statement than Binders.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
The point all of you seemingly brain dead democrats seem to miss is that abortion is legal under constitution. A ban on abortion would require the constituion be amended so any fear Romney would do that is simplle minded fear.
Well if you are not really brain dead, you might comprehend that the presumed facts stated that Roe v Wade had been overturned….thus abortion would not be protected by the US Constitution..
You are a silly non-mighty man, Mighty Righty…..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 18th, 2012
2:30 pm
Paul:
Even twenty years ago people said the same thing you just did about same sex marriage.
Give it another twenty and polygamy will be in the game. If you can’t draw a line somewhere you can’t draw it anywhere.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 18th, 2012
2:30 pm
LARRY,
My finding is specific to Gallup not to other polls…you are right to incinuate that based on (80 at last count) polls, we can virtually get any result we want…this nutjob at Univ of Colorado has a model that has been correct for all presidents since 1980…of course that doesn’t make it correct this time…It suggests Dems chance of winning is solid up to an unemployment rate of 5.6%
Who really knows? I’m an actuary and have no clue…I just know that if I released a projection with the swing in all the polls, I will most likely lose that particular assignment..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/university-of-colorado-pr_n_1822933.html
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
Stevie Ray@2:12 – I kinda agree with you but one scares me more than the other. Personally, I want to reach out and help others but do not want the govt to be able to force me to!
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:34 pm
Majority
” just saying that the majority of baby killers vote Democrat. If you are one, that’s ok.”
Well, if Romney wins the popular vote, you’ll have to change that to the majority of baby killers vote Republican.
Liberal Nightmare
October 18th, 2012
2:35 pm
CNN Email Regarding Candy eatin Crowley’s handling of the debate:
“Let’s start with a big round of applause for Candy Crowley for a superb job under the most difficult circumstances imaginable. She and her team had to select and sequence questions in a matter of hours, and then she had to deal with the tricky format, the nervous questioners, the aggressive debaters, all while shutting out the pre-debate attempts to spin and intimidate her. She pulled it off masterfully.
The reviews on Candy’s performance have been overwhelmingly positive but Romney supporters are going after her on two points, no doubt because their man did not have as good a night as he had in Denver.
On the legitimacy of Candy fact-checking Romney on Obama’s Rose Garden statement, it should be stressed that she was just stating a point of fact: Obama did talk about an act (or acts) of terror, no matter what you think he meant by that at the time.
On why Obama got more time to speak, it should be noted that Candy and her commission producers tried to keep it even but that Obama went on longer largely because he speaks more slowly. We’re going to do a word count to see whether, as in Denver, Romney actually got more words in even if he talked for a shorter period of time.”
Looks like Odumber talks slower so his slow minded pundits can keep up………
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 18th, 2012
2:36 pm
JHM, my suggestion is don’t argue with “The Majority…” I am certain he has been boneheaded all of his life so he is definitely an expert.
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:36 pm
Scout
Sure you can. But to your point. Why would it be a bad thing to copy the pattern set down by the Biblical patriarchs?
LeRoi2
October 18th, 2012
2:36 pm
Real Clear Politics Website now shows Romney in the lead for Electoral College votes. Its the economy, and we are not stupid. Only a few more weeks until November 6, and our national nightmare will be over!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 18th, 2012
2:37 pm
Romney’s position has evolved and I am ok with that
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 18th, 2012
2:38 pm
TOM,
As I’ve said too many times, IMO all these hyper partisan pundits and their sheep are arguing about is whether to dress the pig at the trough, completely dysfunctional government in red or blue..
Won’t matter until someone has the balls to take office and risk re-election to push amendment or whatever it takes to get all private money out of DC and campaigns…until then, we will continue to get flawed results and the pig will continue to become more cancerous..
AmericaShrugged
October 18th, 2012
2:38 pm
Kint’s 100% correct. If the awkward boinders full of women phrase and the out-of-context corporations are people is all you’ve got it’s no wonder there’s been a huge swing in the polls.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 18th, 2012
2:38 pm
Give it another twenty and polygamy will be in the game. If you can’t draw a line somewhere you can’t draw it anywhere.
But apparently if you can draw a line, in Senior Digits world, it cannot be moved and redrawn?
Of course, lines can be drawn and moved. Women have the right to vote, right?
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
You can’t argue with me because I am smarter than you. The fact that I am not an Obama sycophant proves that. That’s all.
Regnad Kcin
October 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
“POLLS: “Romney takes first lead in electoral college…””
The same page also says, if the election were held today, Obama would win 294-244. But enjoy youself anyway…
larry
October 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
Romney benefited from another bailout. Hmmm…..
GM and Bain & Company
He really loves that government money.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/mitt-romney-auto-bailout-profit_n_1976651.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
Pro-Lifer folks…why on earth do you care about a womans choice of abortion? Are you gonna provide a loving home environment for these otherwise unwanted children?
Of course you aren’t….make your own decisions and leave those outside your purview alone.
Georgia
October 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
You know, the Falcons have been sloppy, and you certainly couldn’t watch last Sunday’s victory with a weak heart. In fact, they were so sloppy that I’d call them the worst 6-0 team in the league.
LOVETHEFALCONS!!!!!
LeRoi2
October 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
People arguing over who won and didnt win the debate are rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The only debate that mattered was the first, and Romney showed himself to be a viable candidate. With the economic malaise brought on by Obama, that is all that is needed. The race was over from that point forward. The only question remaining is how large of a mandate the Republicans will get. I am sure they will get not only the presidency, but the senate as well. Unlike Obama, who got a mandate and thank God squandered it for 2 years, you will see Romney move quickly to reverse the ACA, and end the recession that the Democrats have maintained with stupid policies.
There is still hope for America, and its time for the change.
DannyX
October 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
“The same page also says, if the election were held today, Obama would win 294-244. But enjoy youself anyway…”
Also, the Real Clear avg has Pennsylvania as a toss up even though Obama is +5 which is over the margin of error.
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:43 pm
Majority
“Romney’s position has evolved and I am ok with that
”
You’re okay with killing babies?
You need a new schtick.
Verbal Kint
October 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
Spot the difference? I have JHM and your guy is showing signs of losing because of it.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
Verbal Kint: “The fact that some of you on here are talking about ‘binders’ as an issue in this campaign pretty much tells me how desperate you and your candidate are..”
I don’t know about desperate. For true desperation, it’s hard to top Romney/Ryan on the eve of the first debate.
But you’re right about how pathetic the “binders” theme is. It’s a sign of a political system choking on distraction and in serious crisis.
bman
October 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
This is looking like Romney may very well win the popular vote, but Obama will take the EC.
Towncrier
October 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
“POLLS: “Romney takes first lead in electoral college…”
I saw that, Scout. JHM, here’s an interesting article by Silverman that mentions some of the problems with polling I have talked about:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/17/oct-16-can-polls-exaggerate-bounces/
In particular, I found these statements to be illuminating (emphasis added):
This recontacting procedure is uncommon in survey research, but not unprecedented (The New York Times and CBS News have used the technique occasionally in their polls). It has advantages and disadvantages.
Let’s start with the potential downsides. First, to the extent that the original sample was off the mark because of random variance, the new one will be also. If the 800 voters you reached in Ohio or Virginia originally happened to be more Republican- or Democratic-leaning than the broader group of voters in those states, you’ll reproduce the flaw when you survey them again.
Next, the technique potentially reduces what is known as nonresponse bias. Even the best surveys these days only manage to get about 10 percent of people on the phone, while the shoddy ones might struggle to get 3 or 5 percent of voters to return their calls. These percentages have fallen precipitously over the past two decades.
Polling firms are hoping that the 10 percent of people that they do reach are representative of the 90 percent that they don’t, but who will nevertheless vote. But there are no guarantees of this, and it is really something of a leap of faith. The willingness to respond to surveys may depend in part on the enthusiasm that voters have about the election on any given day.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 18th, 2012
2:47 pm
LeRoi2 — “Real Clear Politics Website now shows Romney in the lead for Electoral College votes.”
I don’t think it’s going to happen the way you seem to. I’ve been fiddling with the map forr weeks now, and unless the tossup states break for Romney in a BIG way, Romney’s still in trouble. The key issue for Romney is that the tossup states are *still* leaning to Obama, so he’s got an uphill climb with states he HAS to take in order to win.
So of the tossup states RCP shows, give Romney NV, IA, CO, VA., NH and go ahead and give him FL as well. Give the others to Obama, including OH. In that case, Romney JUST squeaks out a win, but he’s GOT to take ALL those states or Obama wins. If Romney somehow takes OH *instead* of FL, however (and takes the other tossup states I listed), he loses. He’d have to break off one more state with at least nine EVs or Obama would win.
If Obama takes BOTH OH and FL, Romney’s hosed. He’d have to take all the tossup states PLUS break off WI, MI and PA (which are well in Obama’s column) in order to pull off a win.
But again, Romney’s key problem is that of those tossup states, only Colorado is leaning to him. All the others are still showing Obama ahead. So Romney’s got to make up a LOT of ground in the last debate. I personally look for sparks to fly that night.
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
I haven’t seen anything that supports Romney is for killing babies. And I am sure he is not for letting them die after they have been removed from the womb….like Obama does.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
V. Kint — “Spot the difference? I have JHM and your guy is showing signs of losing because of it.”
Don’t think so. Look more closely at the EV map.
Doggone/GA
October 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
“Is this not how it’s done in many European countries? Civil ceremony first, then a church wedding if the couple wants it?”
I wouldn’t know. My opinion on the whole issue is that marriage is a legal contract and any calls for same-sex couples to have any other sort of legal contract is just another attempt at “separate but equal” – which doesn’t work. The vast majority of laws are already written to regulate the legal state of marriage, and to inject any other sort of contract would mean a whole new set of laws. It’s just easier and cheaper to completely separate legal marriage from a church blessing on that marriage and let marriage remain a legal contract between consenting parties.
DannyX
October 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
“I haven’t seen anything that supports Romney is for killing babies. And I am sure he is not for letting them die after they have been removed from the womb….like Obama does.”
Then you are not looking. Romneycare includes coverage for abortion procedures.
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
Majority
“I haven’t seen anything that supports Romney is for killing babies.”
Well, that’s a good reason for coming here. To seek new information to revise your views.
“Romney Releases New Television Ad Underscoring Support for Abortion, Contraception”
http://christiannews.net/2012/10/17/romney-releases-new-television-ad-underscoring-support-for-abortion-contraception/
Like I said, now that the Republican candidate is in the baby-killer camp, you’ll have to revise your statements so it reads since Republicans vote for Romney, if he wins, Republicans vote for baby killers.
Or, you could just get a new schtick with which to entertain yourself.
Doggone/GA
October 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
“Then you are not looking. Romneycare includes coverage for abortion procedures”
And Obamacare does not
That Black Guy
October 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman
October 18th, 2012
10:46 am
Boortz was his usual insulting self – calling her flat chested
___________________
He called a “flat belly” not flat chested.
“Flat belly” is his term for a young attractive fit woman. he has used it on women he likes AND dislikes.
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:55 pm
““Is this not how it’s done in many European countries? Civil ceremony first, then a church wedding if the couple wants it?””
From earlier discussions held here, yes, that is the case in several European countries.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 18th, 2012
2:56 pm
Towncrier, I think you missed two key points in the matter you quoted.
This recontacting procedure is uncommon in survey research, but not unprecedented (The New York Times and CBS News have used the technique occasionally in their polls). It has advantages and disadvantages.
Let’s start with the potential downsides. First, to the extent that the original sample was off the mark because of random variance,
Firstly, recontacting is uncommon. So it’s not going to be a widespread phenomenon.
Secondly, the reproducible error he speaks of only creeps in *when* you use the recontacting procedure BUT he’s also clearly saying “random variance,” which directly refutes the notion that oversampling is somehow *planned.* The simplest way to eliminate the error is to draw a new sample population each time you conduct the survey.
And FWIW, I gave you an incorrect link this morning on our previous discussion thread. This is the link to the survey I mentioned that oversamples Republicans.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_CO_1016.pdf
FYI, I wasn’t *looking* for such a survey; I just noticed that Republicans were oversampled in it. Frankly, I think it happens more that you’re willing to admit, and I think you should go research it and see just how often it happens (given your repeatedly expressed upset over Democratic oversampling).
DannyX
October 18th, 2012
2:56 pm
More pro abortion Romney…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI
Looks like a lot of Republicans will be voting for a “baby killer.”
Paul
October 18th, 2012
2:56 pm
Doggone/GA 2:54
Nice, nice zinger!
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 18th, 2012
2:57 pm
Stevie Ray – You are much better than to refer to the Huffington Post. That paper has no credibility, that woman Adrienne or whatever her name is, I’ve seen her on tv a few times, is a complete psycho!! Besides I can not understand her foreign tongue most of the time, she kinda speaks like Arnold!
DannyX
October 18th, 2012
2:57 pm
““Flat belly” is his term for a young attractive fit woman. he has used it on women he likes AND dislikes.”
And this helps you how?
Aquagirl
October 18th, 2012
2:58 pm
But you’re right about how pathetic the “binders” theme is. It’s a sign of a political system choking on distraction and in serious crisis.
I find the binders thing mostly entertainment, but it really does come off as the statement of a man who is slightly creepy and completely out of touch. That’s why it’s sticking around.
I also find people who aren’t discussed in these statements are far more dismissive of them as being much ado about nothing. Our Gooper menz are quite unconcerned with the bizarre idiocy falling from Republican lips, that doesn’t mean it’s not a matter of concern.
moonbat betty (2 liberals 1 binder)
October 18th, 2012
3:00 pm
Obama: If elected, I promise free binders for school children in all 57 states!
LeRoi2
October 18th, 2012
3:00 pm
Pay attention Joe, debates have rarely if ever affected the outcome of a presidential election. There are only 2 that are without question, the Kennedy/Nixon debate, and the Reagan/Mondale second debate. Eventually history will add the first Obama/Romney debate.
No president has been reelected with the kind of economic failure Obama has created, and he is not going to be either.
This is one of the easier outcomes to predict. The trend is Romneys friend, and the economy is not going to change in the time between now and November 6 to affect the outcome. Most people are cognizant enough to realize that Obama is a complete, total, and unrepentent failure. He is also a liar, and people do not like to be lied to. They expect a little of it from Pols, but not to the extent that they feel like Obama is playing them for a fool.
Its the economy, and the American people are not stupid.
Obambarrassment
October 18th, 2012
3:01 pm
It gladdens me, Mr. Bookman, that you have such a book, and I too am stunned by the revelation.
Well done.
I might say something about bread and circuses, or in modern terms, the “cult of the athlete,” if I were to comment anymore.
Note: the news talk station 640 AM just converted to a new format: sports talk in Spanish.
Kind of a sad indication where the country is going, maybe going in two directions. The natives here in country are multiplying their interest and support of sports, while the immigrants have little interest in real news–at least on the airwaves, and throw their weight behind sports radio too.
Anybody care who represents them?
Anyone know???
stands for decibels
October 18th, 2012
3:01 pm
won’t the abortion matter then go to the states? Do you REALLY believe it would be overturned? Did G.W. Bush try when he had the house majority?
Yes, where horrors will be visited (criminalizing abortion will not be pretty, even beyond the horrific political wrangling that will ensue);
Absolutely (you really think they WON’T? Why the eff not, when Mitt replaces a retiring liberal or two?);
See above. The court as configured under W likely wasn’t going to overturn Roe. Replace Ginsberg or Breyer, and they probably will.
stands for decibels
October 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
Are you gonna provide a loving home environment for these otherwise unwanted children?
SR, if you really want it to go dead, ask how many of these pro-criminalization folks have actually *adopted* any kids–if want to really twist the knife, condition that with “special needs” or “outside your race from within the US”.
Gets reeeaaaly quiet in here when you do.
Towncrier
October 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
“Even twenty years ago people said the same thing you just did about same sex marriage. Give it another twenty and polygamy will be in the game. If you can’t draw a line somewhere you can’t draw it anywhere.”
Well, line drawing is really what is at the heart of any of the social “issues” being hotly debated. For instance, it would be logically ideal to either allow no abortions or any and all abortions. But since almost no one is willing to take that position, it gets down to where one wants to draw the line and for what reason(s). Similarly, once marriage is defined as something other than a heterosexual union of two people, then lines are going to be drawn according to one’s values. My objection to same sex marriage is simple: homosexuality is proscribed in the Bible (quite aside from the fact that there appears to be no evidence of life-long homosexual relations in the animal kingdom at large and that we have no comprehensive long term studies to determine whether of not child rearing by a homosexual couple is not harmful to children) and so institutionalizing it in this way is wrong in my view. If I were an atheist or agnostic, I really wouldn’t care. Once you get outside of Biblical morality, then ethics are clearly situational and not absolute – so it gets down to philosophical arguments. Polygamy has a long history and it is interesting to see gay rights advocates arguing against it on philosophical grounds when there is a much greater historical precedent for it than for gay marriage.
Logical Dude
October 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
tell me, What is SO wrong with Polygamy? I mean. . if the slippery slope goes THERE, so what? Why does it bother anyone?
Regnad Kcin
October 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
TC – yeah, pollling is rife with potential errors – but google “reversion to the mean”.
Doggone/GA
October 18th, 2012
3:06 pm
“Nice, nice zinger!”
Thanks Paul!
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Your link only shows that Romney is campaigning to uphold the exceptions like rape, incest and health of the mother. Doesn’t say he supports the wholesale slaughter of millions that Roe v Wade has produced. Romneycare did not authorize paying for abortions:
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul writes in an email to The Weekly Standard. “Decisions about what services to cover were ultimately determined by the independent Health Care Connector Authority pursuant to the law.”
It’s true that the Massachusetts supreme court ruled in 1981 that the state must fund abortions for people on government health plans such as Medicaid. Twelve other states—including conservative or battleground states such as Arizona, West Virginia, Minnesota, and Alaska—pay for abortions for Medicaid recipients because of state supreme court rulings. Only four states have enacted laws through the legislative process to allow taxpayer funding of abortion.
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul writes in an email to The Weekly Standard. “Decisions about what services to cover were ultimately determined by the independent Health Care Connector Authority pursuant to the law.”
It’s true that the Massachusetts supreme court ruled in 1981 that the state must fund abortions for people on government health plans such as Medicaid. Twelve other states—including conservative or battleground states such as Arizona, West Virginia, Minnesota, and Alaska—pay for abortions for Medicaid recipients because of state supreme court rulings. Only four states have enacted laws through the legislative process to allow taxpayer funding of abortion.
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul writes in an email to The Weekly Standard. “Decisions about what services to cover were ultimately determined by the independent Health Care Connector Authority pursuant to the law.”
It’s true that the Massachusetts supreme court ruled in 1981 that the state must fund abortions for people on government health plans such as Medicaid. Twelve other states—including conservative or battleground states such as Arizona, West Virginia, Minnesota, and Alaska—pay for abortions for Medicaid recipients because of state supreme court rulings. Only four states have enacted laws through the legislative process to allow taxpayer funding of abortion:
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul writes in an email to The Weekly Standard. “Decisions about what services to cover were ultimately determined by the independent Health Care Connector Authority pursuant to the law.”
It’s true that the Massachusetts supreme court ruled in 1981 that the state must fund abortions for people on government health plans such as Medicaid. Twelve other states—including conservative or battleground states such as Arizona, West Virginia, Minnesota, and Alaska—pay for abortions for Medicaid recipients because of state supreme court rulings. Only four states have enacted laws through the legislative process to allow taxpayer funding of abortion.
I come to Jay’s blog for amusement because I know facts confuse Liberals.
Obambarrassment
October 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Aquagirl,
If it were considered slightly creepy, then it will stick around only because the media, all except talk radio, are completely in for the Obama.
What I consider appalling about the debate is the fact that the Prez utterly avoided questions about Benghazi, the economy, the poor college student concerned about getting a job and our dead ambassador.
Fortunately, there is yet another debate, in which the Obama machine can come into its weekly tangential meeting with reality, which because of the helpful media, can only be achieved with a real opponent standing opposite him, asking him tough questions.
Whether Romney wins or loses, probably the only things Obama voters will remember about Obama’s pathetic campaign is “47%” and “binders of women”—those trite examples rather than $16 trillion deficits, Iran going nuclear, dead ambassadors, a failing foreign policy, high unemployment and nascent inflation.
Pretty pathetic that the modern liberal media behaves this way, but they do.
Skip
October 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
If Viet Nam had dragged out like Korea would Mitt still be in Paris?
TaxPayer
October 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
Where did I put my Women of Bain binder. – Mitt
Doggone/GA
October 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
“tell me, What is SO wrong with Polygamy? I mean. . if the slippery slope goes THERE, so what? Why does it bother anyone?”
It’s just not the norm. Theoretically, there’s nothing wrong with it…but if you parse it out on an equal basis for both men and women, the entanglements are horrific to contemplate.
stands for decibels
October 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
The Abortion issue is split down the middle in this country, hardly a solid majority of Americans.
not true at all. A solid majority support Roe v. Wade. Here ya go–many, many polls at this link:
http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm
You seem to be confusing people’s *personal* take on the matter. Yes, many consider themselves “pro-life,” it sounds nicer, I guess.
And you can say “I don’t want my wife/girlfriend to have an abortion even if the pregnancy is unintentional and I’ll do my best to talk her out of it” if you’re a man; you can say you’d never terminate any pregnancy, yourself, if you’re a woman–and *still* support the sound public policy of making that option available, as it is now, limited to unrestricted access during the first trimester.
This isn’t a real head-scratcher for most, and it’s a loser issue for Republicans, if the Democrats only have the balls to push this out there.
Queen Of Mean
October 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
Labor unions do not pay income taxes
Do labor unions make PROFITS?
Doggone/GA
October 18th, 2012
3:09 pm
“Your link only shows that Romney is campaigning to uphold the exceptions like rape, incest and health of the mother. Doesn’t say he supports the wholesale slaughter of millions that Roe v Wade has produced”
If you allow for abortion in ANY case…you are a “baby killer” Heck, even GOD is a “baby killer” – a far worse one than any doctor could be. Ever heard of a miscarriage? aka: spontaneous ABORTION?