On Benghazi, the debate and ‘acts of terror’
The most dramatic moment of last night’s debate came when Mitt Romney insisted that President Obama had not immediately called the deadly attack on our consulate in Benghazi an act of terror. Obama just as boldly insisted that he had, and for a moment it appeared as if the two men were about to bet $10,000, if not the presidency itself, on the outcome of their disagreement.
The moment passed quickly when moderator Candy Crowley stepped in to rule Obama correct and Romney incorrect, a step that conservatives are condemning harshly this morning as evidence of liberal bias.
Let’s unpack this whole piece of baggage, starting from the beginning:
1.) The premise of the entire debate is false, because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror. An act of terror, by definition, targets the civilian population and attempts to inflict terror on that population. This was a military operation/assassination, targeted not at civilians but at the top American presence in Libya and, indirectly, at the armed guards who protected that presence. It was an attack on the United States and its interests.
Calling it an act of terror confuses the issue. However, we prefer that confusion. That confusion allows us to place this attack safely within our preferred War on Terror narrative and casts America as the innocent victim of nefarious, brutal men rather than as a major player contending for some share of power and influence in Libya, which is what we are.
September 11 was an act of terror. The truck bombing that killed 241 Marines in their barracks in Lebanon in 1983 was not an act of terror. Attacks on our forces in Afghanistan are not acts of terror. And neither was this.
2.) The Obama administration, for reasons that remain unclear, balked at calling it either an act of terror or a direct military operation. They initially preferred a third category, describing it as a mass protest that got out of hand. And while that characterization may have reflected initial and incorrect intelligence about the attack, they clung to that characterization long after it had become clear that it was false.
I have no idea why they did that. Maybe the facts changed more quickly than a sluggish bureaucracy was able to change its story. Maybe they were reluctant to admit to Libyans and the world that the facility targeted in the attack also served as a CIA outpost. The Republicans argue that the administration was attempting to hide its own security failing, but frankly that makes no sense either. The basic security arrangements that were needed to protect the Benghazi consulate from direct military attack would also have helped to protect it from an angry, unruly mob. Under either story line, those arrangements failed.
In fact, protecting that facility and its occupants from an attack of this sort — a coordinated, concerted assault by numerous well-armed fighters — would require security levels well beyond those needed to fend off a mob. So again, I am mystified as to why the administration was so slow to alter its story.
One other note: A lot has been made of the fact that the attack came on the anniversary of Sept. 11. I don’t doubt that the date made the operation more attractive to attackers. However, if they had gotten a shot at Ambassador Chris Stevens on Sept. 12 or Oct. 12, I suspect they would have taken it. He was that important to U.S. efforts to influence Libya’s future.
3.) If you nonetheless buy the argument that it was important to mislabel this an act of terror, then Romney and his fellow Republicans have a small point in claiming that the president and the Obama administration failed to do so.
The Obama administration likewise has a small point that he did do so.
Here’s what the president had to say in the Rose Garden the day after the attacks, in context:
“As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”
As you can see, Obama did refer to the violence in Libya as acts of terror, so the Democrats are right. But he did so briefly and indirectly, and for days afterward his administration inexplicably continued to try to sell the mob-violence narrative, so the Republicans are right as well. It is, in the end, an open question, which means that Crowley was probably wrong to interject herself on it so definitively.
4.) None of this matters much, or should matter much. Stevens is still dead. Libya is still fractious. The United States still faces years if not decades of difficult work in the Middle East. The Arab world remains convulsive as it attempts to achieve many centuries of modernization in a matter of mere decades. The fact that the two campaigns are squabbling so bitterly over such relatively small distinctions suggests just how constrained our foreign policy options really are at this point. Neither side has a major point to make, so they focus on minor ones.
Despite his aggressive talk and the neo-con Hall of Fame that he has gathered to advise him, for example, Romney cannot identify a single policy step that he would have taken differently in the Middle East, Iraq or Afghanistan. This supposed “controversy”, along with worn-out phrases such as “apology tour” and “leading from behind,” is designed to mask that reality and make small things appear large.
We have more important things to talk about.
– Jay Bookman
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
8:36 am
An ambassador has been killed and all Mitt can do is politize it and lie.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
8:38 am
And for all most people know, because the GOP house clowns disclosed information about CIA operations, there could have been a lot going on that remains classified.
Lord Help Us
October 17th, 2012
8:42 am
Jay, I get the bigger point…but, the specific point Romney was trying to make in his ‘gotcha’ impulse was, in fact, incorrect.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
8:42 am
September 12: The New York Times reports that “[f]ighters involved in the assault…said in interviews during the battle that they were moved to attack the mission by anger over a 14-minute, American-made video that depicted the Prophet Muhammad, Islam’s founder, as a villainous, homosexual and child-molesting buffoon.” The Times continues to stand by its story.
TaxPayer
October 17th, 2012
8:42 am
How dare Mitt be called out for his lies by a mere female moderator.
Mick
October 17th, 2012
8:43 am
Yes, but romney really stepped in it with that wild eyed look as if he was going for the kill but missed – badly…
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
8:45 am
As I said downstairs, Obama appeared to get in touch with his inner “ABM” during that part of the debate. I could see anger in his eyes when discussing Libya. I don’t know how close Ambassador Stevens was with Obama, but that was the first time I’ve seen genuine feelings in Obama’s eyes. The feelings I saw were not feelings of love and friendship either. I think Romney was close to getting a good old fashioned Chicago ass whooping last night.
Hans
October 17th, 2012
8:45 am
After correcting Romney over the word “terror,” she proceeded to say that Big O continued to deny terror for two weeks, blaming the video instead. She corrected them BOTH but, of course, you only hear what you want to hear.
sam
October 17th, 2012
8:45 am
i’m not sure why its such a big deal that we call it a terrorist attack. people are dead, we’re working to find those resposnible. call it whatever the hell you want, just find them and punish them (i.e kill them).
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
8:45 am
Mick, you mean the deadly “raised eyebrow”……
Thomas Heyward Jr.
October 17th, 2012
8:46 am
“The United States still faces years if not decades of difficult work in the Middle East. ”
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That statement proves that Bookman is a Neo-Con too.
Neo-Con = Progressive.
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sad
Jay
October 17th, 2012
8:46 am
Mick, I agree that the optics on that were bad. If you’re going in for the kill, as you describe it, you better get the kill. Romney did not. He overplayed the moment, seeking a great advantage, and came up empty.
godless heathen
October 17th, 2012
8:47 am
Whatever the reasons were that the administration inexplicably continued to try to sell the mob-violence narrative, it sure has the appearance that it was a political calculation and not a strategic or security based calculation.
Curt Renshaw
October 17th, 2012
8:48 am
Film blamed BEFORE Obama’s Rose Garden Speech
On September 11, the story was already out that the “Innocence of the Muslims” film was responsible for the embassy attack in Benghazi (Reuters, Sep 11, 6:28 PM EDT Gunmen attack U.S. consulate in Libya’s Benghazi over film http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/11/libya-us-embassy-idUSL5E8KBMJ020120911). Similar stories appear on the same day from BBC, The Daily Beast and others.
Obama referred to the film being the cause in a sideways manner in his Rose Garden speech on Sep 12. He said, “Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.”
If the President was not referring to the already wide-spread news that the attack was in response to an anti-Islam film, then why is he talking about “efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others” and “no justification to this type of senseless violence”?
The real question is, since the film was not the cause of the attack, how did this become the story immediately after the attack in all major news services? Is it possible that someone had advance knowledge of the planned attacks and concocted the film protest story so it would be ready to go immediately after the attack? There is almost know other way that a fabricated story could be picked up and disseminated worldwide almost commensurate with the event itself.
Finally, the President did not refer to this event as an act of terror. In his speech, he was discussing the original 9/11 attack in New York, and how our freedoms are sustained by people willing to fight for it, after which he says, “No act of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation…” Not once in his speech is this attack referred to as an act of terror.
Jay
October 17th, 2012
8:48 am
Hans, that’s a valid point as well, but as you say, it will be lost because of the optics of Romney’s ‘gotcha’.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
8:48 am
When do we discuss the “binders full o’ women”??
Hans
October 17th, 2012
8:49 am
Also O only discussed what he was going to do to find those responsible for the attack – he didn’t answer the question of whether or not the White House knew that extra protection had been requested, and perhaps, denied. It’s easy to say we will search for the person responsible. The question was did you know more protection was requested, and if so, why did you deny it?
Jay
October 17th, 2012
8:49 am
it sure has the appearance that it was a political calculation and not a strategic or security based calculation.
Can you explain why that might be? What major political advantage did they seek in explaining it as they did? Because I just don’t see one.
Bill Orvis White
October 17th, 2012
8:51 am
Where was this “president” after the jihadists stormed the embassy? Oh yes, “he” was paling around with a bunch of looney leftists. Gimme a break! This guy is so incompetent and arrogant. This fool will get us all killed if we’re not protecting ourselves. Get your heads out of the sand, you clueless libs! Amen, Bill
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 17th, 2012
8:52 am
Though a Liberal will never admit it, the reason Obama clings to the mob violence narrative is that it makes the US the bad guy, not the Muslims.
godless heathen
October 17th, 2012
8:53 am
Can you explain why that might be? What major political advantage did they seek in explaining it as they did? Because I just don’t see one.
The “no terror attacks on my watch” meme that has been popular with the administration’s supporters. The Fort Hood massacre comes to mind. Pretty much painted as work place violence instead of an attack by an Islamic extremist.
RB from Gwinnett
October 17th, 2012
8:53 am
Jay, “I have no idea why they did that.”
Really????? Do you think maybe they did that to avoid having to admit to the American people our consulate was attacked by the enemy Obama had just finished telling us was depleted? To avoid having to answer for a lack of security at a facility in an unstable nation that had been bombed in recent months?
Maybe if you pull your head out of Obama’s rear end for a bit you’ll be able to think about it more clearly. They made up this BS about the video to deflect responsibility and pushed the lie on the American people for 2 weeks, Jay, not 4 days. 2 weeks hoping it would stick and the story would die. And the AJC and other “news” outlets are doing everything they can to help them out with that.
stands for decibels
October 17th, 2012
8:54 am
Calling it an act of terror confuses the issue. However, we prefer that confusion.
Because “manhood.”
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 17th, 2012
8:54 am
If it gets called for what it is, Obama can’t continue to claim his foreign policy has been effective with regards to Al Qaeda. You know they are pretty much dead now that Obama killed Bin Laden
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
8:54 am
Mitt’s raised eyebrow “gotcha” optics reminds me of this squirrel
TaxPayer
October 17th, 2012
8:54 am
Romney is empty. He is analogous to a giant billboard waiting to display its next poll-driven gotcha, sponsored by the Koch crooks, et al.
DownInAlbany
October 17th, 2012
8:54 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
8:36 am
An ambassador has been killed and all Mitt can do is politize it and lie.
An ambassador has been killed and all Obama can do is fly to NV for a fund-raiser.
Moderate Line
October 17th, 2012
8:55 am
We have more important things to talk about.
+++++++
We had more important things to talk about when some Republicans broke into the Dem Headquarters but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t important. Whenever one side says we have more important things to talk about that usually means they want to change the subject. How much time and money has Obama and his supporters including Jay been talking about Romney’s tax returns. Seriously, what is more important Romney’s tax return or Obama adminstrations blaming a video for the embassy attack in Libya.
We have more important things to tak about but this is still important.
The Libya story is relavant because you had an adminstration official on the a Sunday talk show blaming a video. Crowley scewed up as because she became part of the story.
I think actually, you know, because right after that, I did turn to Romney and said you were totally correct but they spent two weeks telling us that this was about a tape and that there was this riot outside of the Benghazi consulate, which there wasn’t. So he was right in the main, I just think that he picked the wrong word.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/16/cnns_candy_crowley_romney_was_actually_right_on_libya.html
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
8:56 am
JAY,
Couldn’t agree more and kudos for you for taking an even approach on this issue…BO did the right thing by assuming responsibility.
I think next time if Romney wins the toss, he will defer to the second half…I think it was too close to call until the 47% thingy reared its head…
I disagree with those suggesting BO won in any material fashion as the left seem to be giddy simply because BO actually showed up and put up a fight. He was much more evasive on answering specific questions…he did a horrid job responding the the guy asking him why he should support BO again despite his disappointment…within seconds, BO turned his answer to security and eduction…two things I doubt this guy stays up at night worrying about..
Neither said anything new and both missed grand opportunities..
Don’t confuse him actually be present with any “Chicago ass whupping ” as some have suggested..
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 17th, 2012
8:56 am
Cheesy Grits looked crazed.
He really thought he was going to bring the house down and catch Obama.
Obama’s strongest moment to me were when he strongly admonished Romney for playing politics with this issue.
Bottom line Obama won big no matter what the Cons say. He didn’t win them over. Never will.
But his performance last night moved alot of independents who lean Democratic back in his corner.
Moderate Line
October 17th, 2012
8:57 am
Says Mitt Romney “called the Arizona law a model for the nation.”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.
Ruling: False | Details
Says Barack Obama began his presidency “with an apology tour.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.
Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details
Says President Obama waited two weeks to call the attack in Libya “terror.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.
Ruling: Half-True | Details
Says Mitt Romney refused to say whether he’d sign the Lilly Ledbetter bill.
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.
Ruling: Mostly True | Details
When Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he “stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.
Ruling: True | Details
“Oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.
Ruling: Half-True | Details
Says Obama broke his promise to offer a comprehensive immigration bill in his first year.
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.
Ruling: True | Details
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/16/fact-checking-town-hall-debate/
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
8:58 am
She corrected them BOTH but, of course, you only hear what you want to hear.
Yep. She actually told them they were both correct on the points they were trying to make.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
8:58 am
Nope, DowninAlbany, the President addressed the nation in the Rose Garden that morning and later traveled to LV. But of course being in the air means he is out of contact, right? How absurd and silly you are.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
October 17th, 2012
8:59 am
We have more important things to talk about.
So we’ll get new sheets sooner? Because you are correct: this whine of the Republicans is really about nothing at all when you stop and think about it. It’s emotionalism wrapped up in fake patriotism. Obama’s response to act offended was the right answer to it all.
kayaker 71
October 17th, 2012
8:59 am
Bookman,
You leave out a very important part of the controversy, as usual. The video. Everyone including Bozo, Rice, Clinton and Carney insisted, for a week, that the video was the cause of this terror attack. They side stepped every part of the controversy in favor of blaming a damned video. Even Bozo mentioned the video 6 times in his UN speech. Hell, the American they arrested for expressing his Constitutional right to free speech is still in jail on some trumped up probation violation charge. The State Dept stepped up and said they were not going to fall on their swords for Hillary and she and Bozo decided that it was better for him for her to take the blame, especially right before an election. This whole fiasco was handled as if it were Spanky and the Gang handling foreign policy. “We have more important things to talk about”…… four American dead because someone screwed up and you’re intent on moving along. Damn….. just, damn.
BuckeyeInGa
October 17th, 2012
8:59 am
BottomLine Romney blew it going for the kill..this probably will hurt him among undecided(s).
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 17th, 2012
8:59 am
Heck, even Jimmy Carter stayed in the White House when the hostages were taken. Can’t you see how inept this guy is? I guess a few thousand dollars in Vegas is more important than dealing with a situation where Americans were ‘not murdered in a terrorist act’.
Fly-On-The-Wall
October 17th, 2012
8:59 am
Jay,
I personally find the ‘name’ used by ‘Moochers & Baby Killers’ to be personally offensive. Please have that person find a new, sensible name. Thanks.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 17th, 2012
9:00 am
92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.
33 killed at American embassies under Bush.
4 killed at American embassies under Obama.
President Obama is right. He has the BEST record of defending our embassies.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
9:00 am
TAXPAYER
They both are empty…BO certainly doesn’t deserve a second term….and his inability to remotely defend his record speaks volumes …he accomplished a fraction of his promises..I almost choked whe he said he took wall street to task with Dodd Frank which in essence left the too big to fail institions stronger then ever and knowing that the taxpayers will always be there to bail them out..Also his speaking to the immigration problem without even an effort was a joke.
Romney is full of his own BS….one can’t defend his record, the other can’t confirm his intents…
OBIWAN
October 17th, 2012
9:00 am
OK, lefties let’s get this correct, the president used the word “terror” in the Rose Garden, he did NOT say that this was a terrorist attack, and better yet if he did say it was a terrorist attack why did he 2 weeks later stand in front of the United Nations and say repeatedly that this attack was cause by a movie that no one has seen. Why did he and Clinton make a commercial in Pakistan saying the attack was a spontaneous reaction to a movie? I know a lie when I hear one and he stood in front of the world and lied to them, maybe this is why we are losing respect around the world…
TBone
October 17th, 2012
9:00 am
Well I guess Honey BooBoo’s endorsement of Obama pretty much seals the deal for this election cycle.
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 17th, 2012
9:01 am
Obama’s strongest moment to me were when he strongly admonished Romney for playing politics with this issue.
And lying about it to make your foreign policy look good isn’t playing politics? Since when is National Security not a political topic?
Scooter
October 17th, 2012
9:02 am
Fact is, The Obama and NATO created a power vacuum in Libya and we didn’t have the foresight or initiative to provide adequate security in that environment. There simply is no other way to put it.
The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat
October 17th, 2012
9:02 am
At least Reagan and Bush cared. What exactly did Obama do in the two weeks after the killings that showed he cared a little bit?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
October 17th, 2012
9:03 am
Everyone including Bozo, Rice, Clinton and Carney insisted, for a week, that the video was the cause of this terror attack.
Because that’s what the intelligence agencies were saying to them. The Director of NI said so himself on Sept. 28… that everyone was just repeating what the intelligence analysts had concluded. You’d rather they get ahead of that and make something else up instead?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
9:03 am
BRO,
I don’t agree totally with Crowley’s comment..BO and the WH waited more than a week before confirming this was a terrorist attack…despite the fact that State Dept knew 24 hours in that it was definitely a terrorist attack and no riot took place at that time..
BO needs new sheets on his handling of this…at least he admitted his appointees acted inappropriately..that will be exploited..
gm
October 17th, 2012
9:04 am
4 years no attacks on American soil, last administration 3500 Americans dead 911, end of story””’
willydoit?
October 17th, 2012
9:05 am
I don’t know that there is anything anyone can do to prevent every attack. I just find it amazing that the administration really thought people would believe a movie would incite a riot like that!!
But then again, these are the same people that got upset over some stupid cartoons!
DownInAlbany
October 17th, 2012
9:05 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
8:58 am
Nope, DowninAlbany, the President addressed the nation in the Rose Garden that morning and later traveled to LV. But of course being in the air means he is out of contact, right? How absurd and silly you are.
How can you possibly justify the sitting President of the USA going to a campaign fund-raiser when we have citizens dead, at a point when the administration claims to not have all the facts…not knowing why the citizens were dead? And, then accuse Romney of politicizing the events? That’s not only parroting the party-line, it’s disingenuous. You are definitely a brain-dead liberal.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
October 17th, 2012
9:05 am
Your last line is the most important – when you can not win the argument – “move on”. In fact, the Democrats have a whole organization, by this name, dedicated to this premise, don’t they?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
October 17th, 2012
9:05 am
4 killed at American embassies under Obama.
It isn’t an “embassy”. It’s a “consulate”. There’s a difference in size and scope.
Mick
October 17th, 2012
9:06 am
**four American dead because someone screwed up and you’re intent on moving along. Damn….. just, damn**
Maybe, because they are investigating to get the actual facts! Why is it that everything has to be out there immediately? How long did it take the previous administration to even comment on the outing of a covert cia agent? They wouldn’t comment because as they said, “it is an ongoing investigation”. What exactly are the conned looking for and what do they want? We know that four americans were killed in an attack on a consulate, not an embassy, what is the freakin problem here???
Lord Help Us
October 17th, 2012
9:06 am
Jay, I believe Crowley saved Mitt’s bacon by interjecting…
Mitt was going to keep digging the hole and, after first looking like he was going to immediately confront…Obama then went to the, ‘proceed, Governor’ approach to let him get even deeper.
I would have liked to have seen where Mitt would have taken it…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
9:06 am
BYTEME
The STATE department knew within 24 hours that it was a planned attack and not connected with any video…which had been out since July…the State Department never concluded it had anything to do with video…Why didn’t Carney et al simply combine heads with State? In fact , they watched it in live time video…
ByteMe - Got ilk?
October 17th, 2012
9:06 am
I just find it amazing that the administration really thought people would believe a movie would incite a riot like that!!
You mean like the movie did in several other arab countries, including Egypt?
Ronald Reagan Parkway
October 17th, 2012
9:09 am
Just say NO to Mitt Romney.
JR
October 17th, 2012
9:09 am
Good article. I agree that Obama, Romney, or anyone else may not have prevented the attacks. Where Obama looks weak was Insisting the attacks was a angry response to a unknown, little viewed video when many felt differently.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 17th, 2012
9:10 am
Well, it was a azz-whooping, is what it was. Poor Romney looked like so many I’ve seen heading from the bar to the parking lot while wiping the blood off of his face and cussing all the way. He was like the sassy teenager denied the keys to the family car and mouthing off.
I don’t care much about this Libya business. All I know is, it was a sad, sad thing to watch Romney get his rear end handed to him.
Have a good Hump Day everybody.
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
9:11 am
I don’t agree totally with Crowley’s comment
And that doesn’t shock or suprise me at all. Seems like this particular president will get castigated if he doesn’t enunciate his words correctly. Previous administrations have been given all kinds of leeway when it comes to crap like this, so pardon me when I say that I don’t have the same angst as others in this situation.
I personally don’t give a rat’s ass if Obama initially blamed the incident on “Girls Gone Wild: Benghazi Edition”. I’ve been around long enough to know that only fools jump to conclusions without knowing all the facts. I would much rather have people gather FACTS and then make a conclusion instead of jumping to a conclusion and then manufacturing facts to support their thinking.
gm
October 17th, 2012
9:11 am
Under W 13 Embassy Attacks, the right wing nut jobs how many Americans have died on American soil under Obama? you nut jobs have nothing 4 dead compared to 3500 Americans dead, go back in to your narrow Obama hater mold.
Jay
October 17th, 2012
9:11 am
Here’s an excellent first-hand reporting job from Benghazi:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/10/16/the_ground_truth_from_benghazi
DownInAlbany
October 17th, 2012
9:11 am
I will be without internet access for the majority of the day. I’ll say this and go away for a while (hold your applause, libs)…Obama really needed to knock Romney out last night and that did not happen. The momentum will continue to shift in Romney’s favor. We can tit-for-tat last night’s debate for the next 2 weeks, but, it will not change the fact that O didn’t even show in Denver, was much better last night, but, not good enough to change things. Just my opinion…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
9:12 am
MICK,
First defending BO by comparison to another screw up speaks volumes…All you have to do is look at the timeline..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html
His speech to UN in late September he mentioned the video more than several times…why were they so slow to acknowledge what the State Dept knew within 24 hours? He and his appointees failed and he took the fall…
Ben
October 17th, 2012
9:12 am
It matters only because point #2, that Obama continued with the video story even after it was clear that had no truth to it, shows that Obama’s misdirections always serve to try to put the blame for everything anywhere but on him. I saw several quotes from Reagan (who I do not worship like old school Republicans do) talking about the embassy attacks during his time in office and taking full responsibility for their not being enough security and such. The only things Obama ever takes full responsibility for are the things that go well, even if he had nothing to do with them. Nothing bad is ever his fault.
kayaker 71
October 17th, 2012
9:13 am
ByteMe, 9:03,
So now it’s the intelligence communities fault. Was it their fault that we only had one American person assigned to protect our Ambassador? You do know that the two Seals that were killed were not assigned to the embassy. They only volunteered to help out and ended up saving over 20 embassy personnel through their bravery and dedication. Security was in the tank. They asked for more security and were turned down. And there is pretty good evidence that the local security detail were in the hip pocket of the terrorists.
Bozo won’t even call Muslim fanatics for what they are. With that brilliant stroke of Bozo leadership in killing OBL, Al Queda was supposed to be dead and buried. But admitting that Al Queda was alive and well would look bad right before an election, would it not? Can’t wait to send this buffoon back to Chicago where he belongs.
willydoit?
October 17th, 2012
9:13 am
“You mean like the movie did in several other arab countries, including Egypt?”
They didn’t even know the movie was out until we advertised it.
TaxPayer
October 17th, 2012
9:13 am
If you liked George W., you’ll just love me. – Mitt
Joe The Plumber Too
October 17th, 2012
9:14 am
Love how barry skirted the comment on Fast and Furious and his using the power of the Oval Office to shut down the investigation of his buddy eric holder. This will be big at the next debate. The family of Officer Terry deserve answers from this administration as do all Americans. There is much more to the story than we have learned, if barry’s dirty little fingers weren’t all over this he would have let holder go down for it.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
9:15 am
BRO,
Your full of it this morning…the State Dept watched this incident in live time…You are completely BS’ing that other candidates (at the direction of your idol) all get there words taken out of context or attacked otherwise on choice of words..no need to whine on behalf of your choice…he deflects to Bush on enough his shortcomings..Get real
gm
October 17th, 2012
9:15 am
Lets vote for Mitt, where more 911 atttacks can happen on American soil, the nut jobs rather put the war hawk in office rather then the President who have kept the gomers of Georgia safe for 4 years.
Georgia you really show why you are never no factor in any election, who can take you serious?
straitroad
October 17th, 2012
9:15 am
This issue will be hashed out in the foreign policy debate. The question I have is whether obama will again need assistance from the moderator that he so gladly accepted last night when his administration’s handling and cover up of the Libya situation was exposed. Crowley’s inability to remain impartial did not surprise me, rather I was pleasantly surprised that she was able to mask her bias until the Libya question. She later admitted that her emotions got the best of her, thus probaly disqualifying herself from future debates. This issue will not go away because of the deception perpetrated by obama.
joe
October 17th, 2012
9:16 am
Obama DID NOT call the events in Benghazi a terrorist attack the next day in the rose garden. For Candy to come to his defense was unreal. Get the transcript. Obama mentioned something about terror never changing our country, but he NEVER said that attack was a terrorist attack.
He said for weeks that it was a protest as the result of a video.
That part of the debate was a huge joke…
Mick
October 17th, 2012
9:17 am
stevie
What are we missing here? What exactly is yours and others point, that security was not up to par? Did we know an attack was imminent? How about the ambassador, what was he thinking prior to the attack, did he feel safe going to the consulate with the level of security attached to him? An investigation should conclude with the facts, what is the friggin rush? Oh yes I know the answer to that – november 6th…
Just Saying..
October 17th, 2012
9:18 am
Terrific analysis, well written.
That anyone would read bias into this analysis is a measure of how obedient their thinking has become.
TaxPayer
October 17th, 2012
9:19 am
Republicans have no choice but to latch on to this non-issue and try to pervert it into something that makes Mitt look good. It’s what Republicans do when they got nothing. We’ve seen it from them over and over and over… You cons need to stick with your line about Obama not closing Guantanamo. There’s no need for you to pull your foot out of your mouth just so you can re-insert it. Just leave it there.
kayaker 71
October 17th, 2012
9:20 am
We need some different moderators. Next is Schieffer, the most liberal of them all. Who picks these clowns, anyway?
OBIWAN
October 17th, 2012
9:20 am
How many times can Obozo spike the ball on Binladen, isn’t he the one that said not to do that?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 17th, 2012
9:23 am
Obama mentioned something about terror never changing our country, but he NEVER said that attack was a terrorist attack.
You mean the speech he was giving the next day to respond to the attacks in which he mention terror attacks on the US.
Gotcha.
92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.
33 killed at American embassies under Bush.
4 killed at American embassies under Obama.
Somebody impartial might look at those numbers and say Obama has done a fantastic job.
Notice I said impartial.
Lord Help Us
October 17th, 2012
9:24 am
While you were whining…
“Construction of U.S. homes accelerates 15% in September to surpass forecasts — and mark out the highest level in more than four years. Building permits jump nearly 12%, also to a four-year high”
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
9:24 am
You are completely BS’ing that other candidates (at the direction of your idol) all get there words taken out of context or attacked otherwise on choice of words
First things first, I don’t have an idol. If you would like to continue debate, don’t ever say such bullsh*t as that or I will put you on permanent ignore.
I’m sure if I actually took the time to look for them, there are probably instances where every administration has said/done something along the same lines. It’s nothing more than politics. The problem is that, people such as you, seem to take a special affinity to holding Obama to super duper high standards in his words, actions, and deeds where the previous administrations were not held to such high standards.
Whether you agree with that or not is of no concern of mine. If you actually view things from the middle, as you claim to do, you would see that. It’s much harder to see when you look at things from a partisaned perspective though.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
9:25 am
MICK,
The STATE department knew within 24 hours this had nothing to do with video…does the State Department have a problem communicating up? You should call it what is was which was a complete cluster…it did happen on Sept 11…
Jay, I read that assessment which certainly sheds light…still the timeline remains to look awful for the president who is hoping the investigation will help him in next debate…he will need it since it is easy to take advantage of the poor optics he is facing
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 17th, 2012
9:25 am
Who picks these clowns, anyway?
The candidates do when they sign a memo of understanding regarding the debates.
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
9:25 am
The attackers presented no
representation of any
country so they must be
labeled terrorists.
lynnie gal
October 17th, 2012
9:26 am
Romney looked foolish standing there challenging the president on the did-he or didn’t-he (say “terrorist”) after the Libyan embassy was attacked. It was irresistible for Crowley to correct the record when Romney made such a meaningless challenge a big deal. I think Romney looked plastic, ill-informed (because he used data from conservative think-tanks instead of real-world data) and belligerent. Plus, Romney wears too much makeup.
Lord Help Us
October 17th, 2012
9:28 am
Crowley saved Mitt’s butt last night…
Obama was ready to let him dig his hole another ten feet when she bailed Mitt out…
Brock
October 17th, 2012
9:29 am
I thought Obama even tried to give Mittens an out when he kept hounding him about Obama saying this was a terrorist attack in the Rose garden speech. After Romney kept asking him over and over Obama said “please continue Govenor”, as in “STFU and move on before you sink yourself idiot”.
OBIWAN
October 17th, 2012
9:30 am
Didn’t a state department employee testify in front
of congress that they watched the attack in real time on their security cameras, or was she mis-speaking also?
jconservative
October 17th, 2012
9:30 am
Romney missed an opportunity to score a foreign policy point. There is no way Libya is a win for the administration. If Romney had said “no comment” he would have won the point. But he did not. And immediately after the debate every station covering the debate showed the Rose Garden tape with Obama saying “acts of terror”. Perception.
The Romney campaign staff should have had him ready for the Libya question. Clearly they did not.
The next debate is foreign policy only. The Romney staff had better get their facts straight.
I still find it astounding. For the Obama years we have had the worse economic conditions in 80 years, we have Trillion dollar deficits, the administration’s Middle East policy is in shambles and Romney has been able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
9:30 am
BRO,
Your ongoing comments do in fact lean heavy toward Obama…if you want to put me on some permanent black list, I have not control over that…
Yes I lean right on some issues and left on some as well…I take exception to Obama’s foreign policy and poor follow thru on his promises. He deserves to get called out cause he has done poor job despite the hand he was dealt..I generally prefer to save my right criticisms (no small amount) for use on right posts..what good is it to become part of a mutual admiration society on any blog…those who follow that perscription (more the rule than exception) learn nothing..
Blocking me from your universe is your choice..if you assume that such an action makes a difference is rather arrogant..
Edwin Chee
October 17th, 2012
9:30 am
From an outsider (a foreigner) view, a conspiracy view, could Steve be still alive ? I am from half an earth away. Sept 11 is an anniversary and the Film triggered an angry Libya and this film was riding on the Sept 11 and using the opportunity to use the day to convey the anti-Islam message. Could it be that he has been transported secretly outside Libya when Obama and CIA sensed the Code Red in Libya, create a vacuum awaiting a new “Steve” to arrive to fill the gap. You never know how good photoshop is. With today’s Supercomputers (Cray) , video is .almost indistinguishable from the real thing. From a Sci-fi perspective. However, my most sincere condolence from the bottom of my heart to the self-less 4 that had their lives ended before time. Maybe, just maybe, in HIS time. I am neither a pro-democrat nor a pro-republican, but the name of my country is the Republic of Singapore. On my gut feeling, I am for President Obama because he is for the people.One vote from an observer far far away.
curious
October 17th, 2012
9:33 am
How did the bad guys know the Ambassador was at the Consulate?
Usually the Ambassador is at the Embassy in Tripoli. This attack was planned and either the Ambassador was lax in Security for himself and team or some insider tipped off the attackers.
Joseph
October 17th, 2012
9:33 am
I’m wondering if deep down libs really think Oblama won last nights debate?
Lord Help Us
October 17th, 2012
9:33 am
‘One vote from an observer far far away.’
Definitely, ‘far far away…’ from reality…
Jack
October 17th, 2012
9:34 am
I have to file a number of amended returns; just found out last night that small businesses received 18 tax reductions.
TaxPayer
October 17th, 2012
9:35 am
The only thing that could make the antiqued white party happier is if Mitt announced that he would put Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld on his braintrust too.
Joseph
October 17th, 2012
9:35 am
Even MessNBC can’t find a panel to side with Oblama. sad…
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id={845B3C7D-C36F-43A4-899A-43654D5288EC}&title=MSNBC-Undecided-Voter-Panel-Leans-Romney
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
9:36 am
Years and years and years of cheering on horrifically mismanaged and botched invasions/occupations in two different countries resulting in nearly 5,000 Americans being KIA’d needlessly, tens of thousands more maimed and ruined. Trillions of dollars wasted, and the neocons said barely a friggin’ peep.
NOW, we have an isolated incident, where four Americans died serving Uncle Sam – who the cons hate anyway – and the suddenly uber-concerned chickenhawks want to empanel a new Warren Commission.
These Republicans First, America Second types can all go ____ themselves…
Joseph
October 17th, 2012
9:37 am
The Romney Obama/Crowley debate was fun to watch I will admit. I like aggression & Candy I mean Obama was on it…
TaxPayer
October 17th, 2012
9:37 am
Watch out Bro. Stevie Ray will be proclaiming that he is an impartial Independent any post now.
curious
October 17th, 2012
9:37 am
Call Obama incompetent, but Romney is so wishy-washy noone knows what they’ll get if he is elected.
Either the Country will go down the tubes or a lot of Conservatives are going to be mad.
As far as $1.89/gallon gas, at that point, with our economy sinking faster than the Titanic, the oil companies were about to begin paying us to use gas.
Tom Middleton
October 17th, 2012
9:38 am
Jay, Mitt Romney is the duly elected salespuke-in-chief for some truly tied-and-discredited ideas, and just about everything his Neocon advisers can come up with will qualify in this regard.
So it’s not surprising he would try to exploit the tragic events in Libya by rushing to a camera and saying what he did. But neither is it surprising that the president, as soon as he could, would try to address both them and Mitt within that very same context.
Sometimes we can’t see clearly without a little time and distance between us and what we’re trying to understand. But even then in the larger context of an anything-but-the-truth campaign opponent, what Mitt Romney really is the most, we almost never will reach the luxury of a single view.
I will stay with the president on this in whatever way he chooses to describe it. I know his heart and I know his soul, and I know from months of watching Mitt Romney that he basically has neither!
Joseph
October 17th, 2012
9:38 am
JamVet:
I realize your getting defensive because Obama’s reign is about to end with a thud but relax. Romney is here to take care of you….
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
9:39 am
Your ongoing comments do in fact lean heavy toward Obama…
You simply assume that I lean heavily towards Obama. I am simply anti-Romney, as I think he was and is a much worse option when trying to replace Obama. I guess you missed my statement on why the other two candidates are not being heard at the debates, huh?
The reason I didn’t watch the first debate was because it did not involve the F-O-U-R candidates that will appear on the ballot here. The crap we’re discussing now is just that, crap. There are better infomercials that come on late at night when compared to these “debates”. The only thing I’ve said pro-Obama is that he actually showed emotion last night. I’m sure you’ve never seen me credit him for having the spine of a sour gummi bear either, right?
As I said, IF you wish to play that strawman game of telling me what I think or believe, I have no problem with scrolling by you. If you wish to debate with me, then all you have to do is ask me what I think or believe instead of trying to tell me that. It is a complete insult to me for a complete stranger to try to tell me what I think when you know nothing about me beyond what’s been said on this blog.
There is no arrogance at play in blocking you at all. It’s simply that I control my life, not those around me.
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
9:42 am
TaxPayer
I’ve heard that speech a few times. It is what it is. I’m not here to make friends or force anybody to think as I do.
Joseph
October 17th, 2012
9:42 am
Look like the AJC poll has Romney the easy victor….
Donovan
October 17th, 2012
9:42 am
You can spin it anyway you want to, but the fact remains that 4 people were murdered, which includes the ambassador of Libya, due to inadequate security. That inadequate security was the result of denied requests for more protection from State under the Obama regime. Not even was the upcoming anniversary of 9/11 taken into consideration. How do you say, Incompetence?
Parsing the words of terrorism and military attack have no bearing on the argument of coverup and incompetence. This is deflection of the true facts and reminiscent of the Clinton coverup with Monica Lewinski. Remember how the definition of sex was parsed back then? When Democrats get their hands caught in the cookie jar they compound their guilt with Bookman deflections and smoke-and-mirrors. And we want 4 more years of this kind of nonsense?
I think that the last debate on foreign policy will be quite telling and decisive in removing the emporor’s clothes once and for all.
Mick
October 17th, 2012
9:43 am
I think president obama was on point most of the night without…….a teleprompter, can we now finally dismiss that silliest of canards???
The other half of your brain.
October 17th, 2012
9:43 am
Jay is correct, We have more important things to talk about,
Like 16 Trillion in debt.
Like 23 Million people out of work.
Like Billions wasted on fake energy.
Like no immigration policy, these are just a few.
I would like to address the fact that Hillary & Obama both took responsibility for the 4 Americans getting murdered on U.S. soil ( Embassy )
Shouldn’t they be tried for second degree murder? If you caused someone to be murdered what would be the consequences?
To say you are responsible and nothing happens to you is an outrage and if anyone feels differently then you have a few screws loose.
straitroad
October 17th, 2012
9:44 am
I wish someone would explain obama’s tax issue. He advocates raising taxes to the Clinton era rates. Democrats held both houses of congress for the first two years of his term but he did not propose the tax increase at that time. Is there a logical explanation for this?
RB from Gwinnett
October 17th, 2012
9:44 am
What in the world are they still investigating??? It was a terrorist attack, it was not about some video nobody has seen to this day, and the administration can’t get it’s story straight. What’s left to investigate?
Joseph
October 17th, 2012
9:45 am
Many of Jay’s die hard followers are MIA this morning… I guess the’re licking their wounds. Poor libs… Don’t worry.. There’s only one more debate to stomach through and then I’ll all be over….
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 17th, 2012
9:47 am
Once again Romney was given every opportunity to provide details about his tax plan and drifted off into generalities and bovine fecal matter. But this much he has said:
1) Across the board 20% cuts to be offset by eliminating undisclosed deductions and loopholes
2) Wealthy people will not pay more than they currently pay now
3) Middle class will pay less
4) Will not add to deficit
These 4 undisputed points about the Romney/Ryan tax plan cannot be reconciled unless:
1) To make up for 3 & 4, the poor and lower class will pay more – how republican of them
2) All Federal spending is cut roughly in half – Greece anyone?
3) The economy grows at 25% annually – unicorns for everyone too!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
9:48 am
TAXPAYER
I’m flattered you are so interested in which label I wear…Obama needs to go, Romney needs to vanish…it doesn’t matter…
I rest in comfort knowing that you take the time to consider every issue and make up your own mind accordingly…debating with you is like debating with a less educated Jay Carney..
Mick
October 17th, 2012
9:48 am
donovan
If you are seriously concerned about security and its aftermath, one question; What’s your take on the 9-11 attack with all the warnings that were out there but ignored? Was the previous administration incompetent also? What about that presidential brief? Mushroom clouds in the same sentence with iraq? WMD? none found just to jog your memory, now that defines incompetence…
Paul
October 17th, 2012
9:49 am
None of this matters much… The fact that the two campaigns are squabbling so bitterly over such relatively small distinctions suggests just how constrained our foreign policy options really are at this point. Neither side has a major point to make, so they focus on minor ones.
That’s the real point in all this. But, in politics, at the end of a campaign, you don’t just dance with the one that brought you, you dance with the only other person not dancing.
“Whatever the reasons were that the administration inexplicably continued to try to sell the mob-violence narrative, it sure has the appearance that it was a political calculation and not a strategic or security based calculation.
Because a spontaneous demonstration is just that – it arises quickly. If there is any advance indication, it’s likely too short to be able to take any countermeasures. A planned attack that succeeds, however, can be portrayed as an intelligence failure, a leadership failure, as ineptness in seeing what’s going on and what’s coming.
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
9:50 am
Romney win this election?
BWAHAHAHA!!
Jo jo, you are a bookie’s wet dream come true.
I presume you have bet the next few month’s rent money on Mittens. Still VERY favorable odds for him, ya know.
2/1 as of this morning. (Obama is 4/11)
Easy money, LOL!
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
9:51 am
Democrats held both houses of congress for the first two years of his term but he did not propose the tax increase at that time. Is there a logical explanation for this?
There was the high pitched whine from the Right about not raising taxes during a recession. Democrats held both houses, but they didn’t have enough votes to overcome the filibuster or threat of a filibuster. Had it been my decision, I would have let them all reset on the day they were supposed to. Tax cuts don’t create demand, and raising taxes will end up happening at some point as we don’t have the job base to generate enough revenue to pay down the debt.
alex
October 17th, 2012
9:51 am
@rb, Read the FP article referred to by jay, If one is to believe THAT article, then investigate who is to blame for the horrible security at the compound… Terror or not, our ambasador was not protected and someone should be held to account !
Aside < I am pleased that The president has a pulse , it gives meaning to the existence of brosephus, jamvet ,the granny, jay, chris mathews,andrew sullivan,and the state of ohio…..ONWARD BUCKEYES,FORWARD…..
tiredofIT
October 17th, 2012
9:52 am
It is obvious that Mitt only cares about one thing and that is himself. He not running because of his love for this country and wanting to serve. It’s just another trophy too him. Romney and his type are the problem, not the solution.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
9:52 am
RB from Gwinnett
” It was a terrorist attack”
Did you even read Jay’s couple of paragraphs defining what a terrorist attack is and what it isn’t?
How about you tell us by what definition what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack?
Georgia
October 17th, 2012
9:52 am
I have a hangover this morning because I took a vodka shot every time Romney’s mouthguard got knocked out of his mouth and clear across the ring. Romney’s jaw is wired shut this morning, and I heard he had a late dinner last night through a straw. OMG. the humanity.
indigo
October 17th, 2012
9:52 am
“none of this matters much”
This is the heart of the matter. Republicans are making this attack sound like another 9/11 and all Obama’s fault. Neither is true.
Our world is a dangerous place and will not get any safer in the foreseeable future. American citizens abroad, whether civilian or Govt., are and will continue to be potential targets for Muslim terrorists. No American President, Obama or Romney or anyone else, will be able to change this.
I wonder how many voters are unable to see thru this flimsy Republican charade?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 17th, 2012
9:53 am
BRO,
There is no shortage of interpreting others position…on that stage last night or here in this an other biased forums…
Strawman…nice touch..
Welcome to the Occupation
October 17th, 2012
9:53 am
The Arab world remains convulsive as it attempts to achieve many centuries of modernization in a matter of mere decades
Strange statement, considering the West got much of its own “modernization” though the Arab world. Truth is the Arab world has already been “modernized” in many ways large and small throughout the period that we call “modernity”, but Western influence and sabotage has in many cases reversed that modernization, deliberately destabilizing the very forces of modernization and secularization to serve its own ends. But you’re right, Jay, to make the distinction concerning terrorism and the attempt to paint ourselves as innocent victims when in effect we are lodged in a foreign country where, once again, we are trying to engineer events to suit out own needs, not necessarily what is best for that country or region.
USA Patriot
October 17th, 2012
9:55 am
We have more important things to talk about.
– Jay Bookman
Yep, the Million Muppet March, contraception for women, war on women, you didn’t build that, blah, blah, blah, blah! Screw national security, forget about a nuclear Iran, deficit -only up 9.9% -ha!
Dunwoody Granny
October 17th, 2012
9:55 am
straitroad, perhaps you might recall that during the first two years of Obama’s administration, banks were failing, companies were going bankrupt, unemployment claims were exploding, there were massive numbers of home foreclosures, and it looked like we were about to slide into a second Great Depression. No one was even faintly concerned about the deficit when it looked as if everyone was soon going to be jobless and broke. It wasn’t a good time to raise taxes. Later, when it was time to reauthorize the Bush tax cut, Obama tried mightily to exclude the cuts for top earners, but the Rs told him if the rich didn’t get to keep their cuts, no one else did, either.
stands for decibels
October 17th, 2012
9:55 am
“Wahh! the video! they said it was the video and we got all excited in the right blogosphere because it gave us a new excuse to hate on brown mooozelums, and then they said it wasn’t!”
That’s one great campaign talking point to take with you these last three weeks. Have fun with it, guys. I’m sure you won’t seem needy or pathetic at all.
Kevin
October 17th, 2012
9:57 am
Obama was reluctant to call it a terrorists attack, because he seems to believe that we might hurt someone’s feelings if we do so. It takes backbone to call the enemy out (for instance, Reagan calling the USSR an Evil Empire) and BHO has none.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
9:58 am
DownInAlbany — “Obama really needed to knock Romney out last night and that did not happen.”
So Candy Crowley knocked Romney out instead.
Goldie
October 17th, 2012
9:58 am
The New York Times article, Oct. 15– Witnesses in Libya clearly state that there was a mob response to the anti-Muslim video on that day in Libya:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/world/africa/election-year-stakes-overshadow-nuances-of-benghazi-investigation.html?_r=0
["To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video. That is what the fighters said at the time, speaking emotionally of their anger at the video without mentioning Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or the terrorist strikes of 11 years earlier. And it is an explanation that tracks with their history as a local militant group determined to protect Libya from Western influence. "]
So still lots of confusion about what occurred and who is responsible, but I believe Our President when he says that he will track down who killed 4 Americans that day and bring them to justice!
mm
October 17th, 2012
9:59 am
Romney put women in their place last night. In a “binder”. I didn’t think it was possible to top the stupidity of his 47% disaster.
Georgia
October 17th, 2012
9:59 am
It’s still too early for any temporary surge in the polls to be definitive. There is still a third debate. Who is the moderator for that? Last night revealed how crucial the behavior of the moderator is. Candy or Jim? No! Perhaps a timed mic that shuts off at two minutes is needed. Didn’t the audience’s mic shut off after each question last night?
Which brings up the audience’s questions and the demeanor of the people asking the questions. Thats America Folks. Love it or leave it.
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
9:59 am
alex: I am pleased that The president has a pulse , it gives meaning to the existence of brosephus
Are you always that wrong? Obama having a pulse does nothing towards my existence. I’ve lived through several presidents and will probably see quite a few more. I don’t trust him any more than I can throw him, and that’s how I feel about any and all politicians. Thanks for your concern though, but my existence has more to do with my family and me than anybody else.
stands for decibels
October 17th, 2012
10:00 am
because he seems to believe that we might hurt someone’s feelings
Yeah, there’s another winning talking point–convince Americans that the guy they saw on their TeeVees last night is timid and shy about hurt feefees. Run that play a few more times.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
10:00 am
RB — “What in the world are they still investigating??? It was a terrorist attack, it was not about some video nobody has seen to this day, and the administration can’t get it’s story straight. What’s left to investigate?”
Right. The only thing we can do at this point is the same thing Reagan did after the Lebanon barracks bombing and the deaths of all those Marines.
Cut and run.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
10:01 am
mm
Why is it stupid to say Romney’s administration went to various womens’ organizations, asked them for lists of qualified people to serve at the top echelons and they sent back binders full of candidates, resumes and recommendations?
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
10:01 am
Stevie Ray
You can interpret all day, but unless you ask me, there is little guarantee that you will be right about me. It’s much easier to ask as opposed to playing the guessing game. However, I can’t tell you what to do or how to live your life. So, you simply be you and nothing else.
redneckbluedog
October 17th, 2012
10:03 am
ATTENTION GUN OWNERS…Mitt Romney wants to take your weapons..!! He did the same thing is Massachusetts..!!!
He wants to turn America into one big cultist colony, where all you can do is ride bikes, wear black neckties, and worship Joseph Smith. Forget about your Copenhagen, your Jack Daniels, and your daughters. They belong to him now..!!! This is EXACTLY why they ran him out of Massachusetts..!!!!
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 17th, 2012
10:03 am
Taxpayer: How dare Mitt be called out for his lies by a mere female moderator.
LOL!
Bro: I think Romney was close to getting a good old fashioned Chicago ass whooping last night.
If only………………. sigh…………
Welcome to the Occupation
October 17th, 2012
10:04 am
Dunwoody Granny: ‘was soon going to be jobless and broke”
Or waiting in bread lines or lines to get a tiny voucher of cash because the bank where your account was went under and the ATMs don’t work.
Why would our friend straightroad recall such things when he can just join the rest of his mates in the kindergarten of ‘conservative thought’ and pretend that none of it ever happened ? He has a perfectly well oiled amnesia machine in the conservative media that is ready to assist him in his mystification whenever he needs it, which is daily.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
10:04 am
USA Patriot — “Screw national security, forget about a nuclear Iran”
Right, because GOP policy is to pay lots of attention to countries that *don’t* have nuclear weapons — like Iraq and Iran — and *ignore* the ones that DO — like North Korea.
Goldie
October 17th, 2012
10:04 am
Attentions Cons — now your guy Mitt supports affirmative action in hiring!
BWAAAAAAA!
Rightwing Troll
October 17th, 2012
10:05 am
“This fool will get us all killed if we’re not protecting ourselves. Get your heads out of the sand, you clueless libs! Amen, Bill”
Ohhh nooos!!!… here come the brown skinned people… quick everybody hide under your beds like BOW…
Did you know Iran is building a bomb? Yeah, it’s sooooo big… (how big is it Bill??!?)… it’s big enough to blowed up the whole world…
Obama’s gonna win this election and come and take yer guns… personally… he’s yer worst nightmare… a ni&&er with a badge… (no offense there Bro…)…
Hank
October 17th, 2012
10:05 am
The President seems to think that you can lie to the American people and they won’t know the difference. I know what he and his administration really said and spent considerable time blaming it on a video. Why? Because he has a failed foreign policy. The notion that no one asked for security is beyond belief. First of all if you have American diplomats anywhere in Lybia do you really need someone to tell you that security is needed. This administration has never leveled with the American people and never will. Crowley was there to protect the President. She could not remain impartial and had to inject herself into the debate in the same way she does on CNN. She is the best example of a media that is in the tank for Obama. I once was quite moderate but this President has changed all that and he will not get my vote.
Georgia
October 17th, 2012
10:06 am
How about that long closeup of Romney’s face as he looked at Candy after he asked her if Obama’s premise was that he called it an act of terror in the rose garden. That’s must see TV. You could feel the power slipping out of his hands as he waited and said nothing and let the moment pass. That was the crux of the night. Romney let all the openings expire. He should have just fired that torpedo. “Obama did NOT say it was an act of terror. He blamed the video. He just lied. He’s a liar. Don’t vote for a liar. I promise one thing, America. I will never lie to you like Obozo just did.”
That was the road to the white house. That was the sling shot against the goliath. That was the post pattern wide open for a touchdown. That was the walk off pinch hit homerun.
They BOTH suck
October 17th, 2012
10:06 am
Does anyone care about the report that is yet to come out or just looking to score political points?
I haven’t read a post with definitive information stating that even with an increased security detail the attack would have been thwarted.
I have read speculation on both sides, but no definitive information.
Kelly Rhaods
October 17th, 2012
10:07 am
I would like to ask Mr. Bookman to open up a dictionary or look up a definition. Go to google and type in the search “Define: terrorism” the definition is “The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.” Last time I checked killing political figures was usually in the pursuit of political aims. Could you share where you received your education Mr. Bookman, I want to make sure my children do not go there.
Ms. Lum
October 17th, 2012
10:08 am
we are all osama obama
We Are All Osama Obama
WE ARE ALL OSAMA OBAMA!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
10:08 am
Hank — “Crowley was there to protect the President. She could not remain impartial”
Why, if she hadn’t been so all-fired biased toward the truth, she’d *never* have corrected Romney when he lied like that.
mm
October 17th, 2012
10:09 am
Foreclosures are at a 5 year low.
Homebuilding is at a 4 year high.
The stock market has doubled.
Yeah,ask me if we’re better off than we were 4 years ago.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
10:10 am
K. Rhaods — ” Last time I checked killing political figures was usually in the pursuit of political aims.”
Last time I checked, an ambassador wasn’t a political figure.
Ambassadors are *appointed,* not elected. And Jon Huntsman, one of the GOP candidates for President, was *Obama’s* Ambassador to China. If ambassadors were political, Republican Huntsman would never have been appointed by Democratic Obama, now would he?
Be sure and let me know where *you* got *your* education, k?
Rightwing Troll
October 17th, 2012
10:11 am
“The Romney Obama/Crowley debate was fun to watch I will admit. I like aggression & Candy I mean Obama was on it…”
Polls are up, it must mean they’re skewed and full of liberal bias… polls are down, proof positive beyond question that Mittens is cruising to a landslide… Win the first debate… top of the world, strongest man, etc…, lose the second debate… Moderator had it in the bag for Obama…
At least wingnuts are consistent in their inconsistency and sense of victimization…
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
10:11 am
They BOTH: Does anyone care about the report that is yet to come out or just looking to score political points?
Do you really, really even need to ask that question??
I haven’t seen any reports myself. Based on what I’ve read, I’m not sure if we will get a true idea of what happened. It took so long for FBI investigators to get to the site, that I’m not sure if they will be able to put the puzzle back together fast enough to satisfy our instant gratification society.
Goldie
October 17th, 2012
10:12 am
Maybe if Ole Mitt would stop regurgitating the same lies he hears from the Fox Noise channel, he would not look so foolish on the debate stage in front of millions of Americans — oh well!
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
10:13 am
So apparently Ms. Crowley gang banged Mitt Romney?
Wow.
I’m lovin’ this Con Cabernet Sauvignon from Crybaby Vineyards this morning…
Welcome to the Occupation
October 17th, 2012
10:14 am
Kelly Rhaods: “Go to google and type in the search “Define: terrorism” the definition is “The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.”
Yeah, good point, Kelly. But you realize, don’t you, that under that definition the United States is perhaps the most terrorist nation on earth?
Goldie
October 17th, 2012
10:16 am
America can rest safely while Our President is in office, knowing that he will not lead us into unneccesary foreign wars and occupations… we have confidence that he knows how to go after the criminals who really commit these crimes against Americans!
Obama/Biden 2012!
Jay
October 17th, 2012
10:16 am
“The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.”
So by that definition, Kelly, U.S. troops in Afghanistan are terrorists. Is that what you’re saying? They are certainl using violence pursue political aims.
If anybody who uses violence to achieve political ends is a terrorist, then George Bush was a terrorist in invading Iraq, correct? The U.S. and NATO were terrorists in using violence to oust Gaddhafi, correct?
Paul
October 17th, 2012
10:17 am
Morning, Goldie
From The Boston Globe: “. In February 2004, 10 of the 20 top positions in Romney’s administration were filled by women, including lieutenant governor Kerry Healey. ”
Kelly Rhaods
“. Go to google and type in the search “Define: terrorism” the definition is…The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.”
That’s an illustration of why a simple, one-line definition is probably not the best starting point and ending point for such a concept. By that definition, Pres Roosevelt and PR Churchill were terrorists and WWII was a terrorist action.
willie lynch
October 17th, 2012
10:17 am
So if the administration had said this was an act of terror 4 days after it happened, what would have changed in what has happened since?
Goldie
October 17th, 2012
10:17 am
“I’m lovin’ this Con Cabernet Sauvignon from Crybaby Vineyards this morning…”
JamVet Dude — bwaaaaa!
RB from Gwinnett
October 17th, 2012
10:18 am
Hey Paul, why don’t you go split hairs about semantics with somebody else while the adults discuss the actual issues. Run along now…
Trolls Bane
October 17th, 2012
10:19 am
All this smoke misses the fire …
Did anyone happen to catch where Mittens promised the middle class a tax cut if he gets elected? Talk about a blatant vote buying attempt … hey buddy I’ll give you $1000 to vote for me!
Of course a supposed successful business man apparently does not understand basic economics when it comes to the federal budget …
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
10:20 am
Next Monday Obama is going to hold Romney down and cut his hair.
They BOTH suck
October 17th, 2012
10:20 am
Bro
I knew the answers would be sparse and partisan, however I still had to ask.
I do not know enough about the events of incident or the procedures and protocol (I’m sure it isn’t the same for each embassy) to say the attack could have been thwarted or not.
Maybe it could have, but I don’t have the details and surely not the answers.
Some of our fellow bloggers seem to know all the facts, but are just not sharing their “sources”. At least their assessments would lead one to believe they have all or most of the facts.
This politicizing of the incident is insane.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 17th, 2012
10:21 am
Yeah, good point, Kelly. But you realize, don’t you, that under that definition the United States is perhaps the most terrorist nation on earth?
I wonder why those people hate us anyway.
Maybe its the 100,000 or so civilians we killed in Iraq ?
Nah. I just think they hate us for our freedoms. LOL
Mighty Righty
October 17th, 2012
10:22 am
So the Democrat talking point is that this is not a terrorist attack in spite of the fact that subsequently several Democrats including the president eventually called it a “terrorist attack” after having lied about it for three weeks calling it a spontaneous demonstration that got out of hand. Now Jay is saying it was really an act of war to which we have not responded! I am confused. The Democrats still to this day nearly a month later have no clue as to what happened and they had a representive of their State Department on the phone during the attack getting a live report that it was not repeat no a spontaneous demonstration that go out of control. The Administration “COVER UP” began immediately. Too bad their response to preventing it wasn’t nearly as swift as their lying spin. It is clear one of two things happened. Either this administration is still lying or it is incompetent. For goodness sakes this was not the first attack on our embassy in Libya. There were two attacks on our embassy in June and our ambassador was so concerned he asked for additional security which was turned down by the Obama administration. Meanwhile, the “COVER UP” continues. Part of their “COVER UP” is manifested in their appointing a commission to study what happened! Can anyone remember a government commission who ever accomplished anything except waste our money. If Obama were in charge of the Atlanta Police Department, every time a murder happened he would appoint a commission to study it. Comeon people, wake up. Four of our fellow citizens are dead as a direct result of the inaction of this administration no matter what word the left would prefer to use to describe it, terrorist, war, riot, or stupidity. The administation was caught with its pants down and it and its friends in the media are doing everything they can to hide the truth from we the american people.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
10:22 am
RB from Gwinnett 10:18
Which, being interpreted is, “I completely ignored Jay’s point so I could hold fast to my partisan views and to prove how great my understanding is, I’ll insult anyone who challenges me, thus demonstrating to the entire blog I’m a manly man alpha male.”
Welcome to the Occupation
October 17th, 2012
10:24 am
Cheesy Grits: Our drones brings lots of fear. And you don’t have to be a so-called “militant” to prefer not to have them filling the skies over your land.
But terrorist doesn’t count as a descriptor because we’re the West and we’re “modern” and “advanced”.
Peadawg
October 17th, 2012
10:24 am
“Yeah,ask me if we’re better off than we were 4 years ago.”
Hell all I have to do is look at all the construction going on around Athens to know we’re doing better.
RB from Gwinnett
October 17th, 2012
10:25 am
Hank, “The President seems to think that you can lie to the American people and they won’t know the difference”
Read the comments here hank. It should be pretty clear he’s getting away with it with quite a few of his sheep including Bookman.
willie lynch
October 17th, 2012
10:26 am
Mighty Righty
October 17th, 2012
10:22 am
What are they covering up?
Oscar
October 17th, 2012
10:28 am
Romney appeared to be a confused and desperate man, looking defeated and wondering why, and picking at small points and trying to score points on irrelavant matters.
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
10:28 am
Finn, hysterical.
Is he gonna get Candy to sit on the otherwise manly Mittens???
And niiiiiice smackdown of the Loganville lout, Paul…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 17th, 2012
10:28 am
“…………. because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror”
Well, well, well …………. what would Jay call the attack on the USS Cole, the Marine Barracks in Lebanon or the Ft. Hood Massacre for that matter?
Two points:
1) Our ambassador was a “CIVILIAN”.
2) Even military attacks can be acts of terror – the Nazi’s were quite adept at that.
Good grief !
P.S.
I suppose under Jay’s warped, politically correct definition that the attack on the World Trade Center was an act of terror but the attack against the Pentagon was not?
Right Jay ???
Paul
October 17th, 2012
10:28 am
morning, BOTH suck
“I do not know enough about the events of incident or the procedures and protocol (I’m sure it isn’t the same for each embassy) to say the attack could have been thwarted or not. ”
Testimony before Rep Issa’s committee, Eric Nordstrom, State Department regional security officer, said something Issa blew by, that even if everything they asked for had been fully implemented, it would not have been enough to repel the attack.
“A key Congressional witness conceded Wednesday that even with heightened security measures, it may not have been enough to stop the dozens of armed terrorists from storming the U.S. consulate in Benghazi and killing U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/10/witness-says-additional-security-may-not-have-stopped-benghazi-attack
indigo
October 17th, 2012
10:29 am
“and make no mistake, justice will be done”
Suppose there was a Libyan embassy here in America. Further suppose armed Americans stormed the place and killed the Libyan Ambasador and three other men.
If the President of Libya said he would have the killers hunted down and killed and strongly implied Libyans would come to America and do the job, what do you think the American response would be?
Just asking.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 17th, 2012
10:29 am
Something about Mormons and “binders full of women” doesn’t sound good.
RB from Gwinnett
October 17th, 2012
10:29 am
Paul, go debate the definition of “is” with somebody who cares.
Got it?
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
10:29 am
They BOTH
There’s a difference in the security procedures for Embassies and Consulates. If I remember correctly, Marines are part of the security forces at Embassies as well as DSS (Diplomatic Security Service), but I don’t think Marines are used at Consulates. There are other differences too, such as physical security designs and such.
Oscar
October 17th, 2012
10:30 am
manly man alpha male.”
———
That’s what Romney tries to be. Doesn’t work. We need someone who can listen and focus on the main issues as President. Not an agressive bully who wants his on way regardless.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
10:31 am
On the advice of some of our regulars, my wife and I watched the post-debate roundup on FNC. And oh, man, did the whining and complaining start QUICK over there. It was pretty clear within a minute or two that the cons were upset about getting their collective hiney (complete with grill marks) handed to them.
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
10:32 am
Matz had the quote of the night over at Kyle’s:
I don’t always organize my women, but when I do, I use binders.
What a hoot.
Stay stupid, my con friends…
Oscar
October 17th, 2012
10:32 am
RB from Gwinnett
_____
I missed that whole “is” thing execpt for Clinton’s answer. What was the question he was asked. (I guess it could depend on the definition of what ”was” was.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
10:33 am
RB — “Got it?”
You’re cute when you act all rough n’ tough.
They BOTH suck
October 17th, 2012
10:33 am
Paul & Bro
Thanks for the information.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
10:36 am
Both suck
Any time, Both. Appreciate a discussion with someone who begins with ‘I’m not knowledgeable about such and such. Anybody have any information that would be helpful?” attitude.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
10:36 am
JamVet — “What a hoot.”
And you know Bill Clinton’s radar went off during the debate, too.
What? A whole BINDER full of women? How come I didn’t hear about it? And when am I gonna get to see it?
mm
October 17th, 2012
10:38 am
Wow, just saw a great new name for Romney.
Mittnocchio
stands for decibels
October 17th, 2012
10:38 am
about the binders where the
whitewomen wuz at…“Mitt Romney apparently got elected to be the governor of a state without personally knowing any women qualified to work in government.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
10:39 am
Are we talking D ring binders or something smaller?
stands for decibels
October 17th, 2012
10:39 am
skoolz SHEETZ.
They BOTH suck
October 17th, 2012
10:39 am
JHM
Slick Willy probably called Romney last night to see if he still had that “binder” laying around and if he didn’t mind sharing……….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 17th, 2012
10:40 am
JAY’S HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT:
Title 18, United States Code, Section 2113
“-STATUTE-
As used in this chapter –
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that –
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that
are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of
any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed
within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended –
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of
the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they
appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which
their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;
(2) the term “national of the United States” has the meaning
given such term in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and
Nationality Act;
(3) the term “person” means any individual or entity capable of
holding a legal or beneficial interest in property;
(4) the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course
of –
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared,
between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin; and
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that –
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended –
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States.”
Georgia
October 17th, 2012
10:40 am
We need to neutralize the moderators. It’s not fair to either party. Maybe we could use replacement moderators. Or maybe use one of those apes that knows sign language.
or Lassie. “What now, Lassie?” ruff ruff “I’m over my time limit?” ruff ruff “and I lied?” ruff ruff “There’s a kitty in the well?” ruff ruff
Mighty Righty
October 17th, 2012
10:41 am
They BOTH suck
October 17th, 2012it.
10:20 am
This politicizing of the incident is insane
The “incident” became political the minute the aministration lied about When the administration sent out its spokes people with a simutaneous concocted story to all of the media outlets it became political. When the administration made a video which it distributed to the muslim world repeating a lie about abd apologizing for an obscure video that no one had seen the administration made it political. When David Axelrod, who is a “politcal spokes person for the president” goes on national television for the sole purpose of squelching debate on the murder and injuries of american citizens it is political. This story became political when CNN found the ambassador’s log book several days after the terrorist attack and exposed the entry of ambassador Stephens expressing his concern for an attack on the embassy and requested additional security which was turned down. Our wonderful administration instead of trying to find out who screwed up publicly attacked CNN for reporting this information. That was political. WhenHillar Clinton stood infront of the casket of the dead americans and lied about the cause of their deaths was an obscure film. That was political. When the poor slob who made the controversial film was arrested by the Obamanazi brown shirts in the middle of the night, that was political.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 17th, 2012
10:43 am
Since Jay doesn’t “exchange” with me anymore the question in my 10:28 is open to anyone.
The suicide attack on the World Trade Center (civilian target) was an act of terrorism ……. yes/no ?
The suicide attack on the Pentagon (military target) was an act of terrorism ……. yes/no?
They BOTH suck
October 17th, 2012
10:46 am
Mighty Righty
Unless you are just being your typical self, you can plainly see that I did not exonerate the Administration, but carry on with another one of your diatribes if it makes you feel better about yourself.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
10:48 am
Scout
“5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that –
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;”
Well, by your interpretation based on what you cited, any Libyans involved in the attack need to be captured, read their Miranda rights and prosecute in US courts, as what they did violated the criminal laws of the United States.
TaxPayer
October 17th, 2012
10:48 am
The inverse correlation between Republican moods and the economy is quite strong. I’d call it a solid -1. It sure is nice to see the economy doing so much better than it was just four years ago.
They BOTH suck
October 17th, 2012
10:49 am
Scout
While I thought it was disingenuous that you didn’t want to discuss or debate your own assertion last night and was wanting to deflect, I could have used a better choice of words or just ignored you after the 2nd or 3rd time.
That was my bad.
Have a great day.
Mick
October 17th, 2012
10:49 am
See what’s happening here? The spin is moving at warp speed against romney, just as it had previously moved for him. These debates (?) are performance theater and I’m not sure they should be so definitive in electing a president…but hey, that’s the american effing way right now…
Mighty Righty
October 17th, 2012
10:51 am
The after debate polls of independent’ who watched the debates from Nevada and that liberal enclave MSNBC show Romeny with a distinct majority who consider him to be the winner. Obama had to have a big win to turn the momentum for Romney around and he wasn’t up to it even with the clear help of the CNN crow. The University of Colorado presidential poll which has accurately predicted every presidentail election since Nixon is forcasting Mitt Romney has a 77% chance of winning the popular vote.
mm
October 17th, 2012
10:52 am
Last night the cons lost their last great hope of an election “changer” when Benghazigate was put down like an old mule.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
October 17th, 2012
10:52 am
Obama BooBoo.
.
you may use it.
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 17th, 2012
10:53 am
JOE HUSSEIN
Your comment about Clinton in your 10:38 is one of the funniest things I’ve heard here ever…kudos..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 17th, 2012
10:54 am
Paul:
If you will read the entire act you will find that it codifies a different way of dealing with your premise.
In other words, if anything they do would violate U.S. law it meets the definition of terrorism but the method of “dealing with it” is legally different.
You’re smarter than that …………. it’s why we have “drones” and Gitmo (as upheld by the Supreme Court).
mm
October 17th, 2012
10:54 am
“The after debate polls of independent’ who watched the debates from Nevada and that liberal enclave MSNBC show Romeny with a distinct majority who consider him to be the winner. Obama had to have a big win to turn the momentum for Romney around and he wasn’t up to it even with the clear help of the CNN crow. The University of Colorado presidential poll which has accurately predicted every presidentail election since Nixon is forcasting Mitt Romney has a 77% chance of winning the popular vote.”
Everyone better roll up your pants because with this post the sh*t is getting deep.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 17th, 2012
10:55 am
Are you righties quite Benghazi-ed out yet?
Our will your comic stylings continue?
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 17th, 2012
10:55 am
MICK,
Here’s something that we all can laugh at….I heard interview of woman questioning difference between Romney and Bush…she was asked the question which side was clapping at Crowley’s comments of Rose Garden issue, here response was it was not any of the 85 but it was Michelle Obama…
USA Patriot
October 17th, 2012
10:55 am
Joe Mama – 10:04 – I don’t recall the GOP ignoring N. Korea, Iran, & China while cleaning up in the middle east. Looks to me like the DEM’s are ignoring N.Korea, Iran, & China.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
October 17th, 2012
10:56 am
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 17th, 2012
10:43 am
Since Jay doesn’t “exchange” with me anymore the question in my 10:28 is open to anyone.
The suicide attack on the World Trade Center (civilian target) was an act of terrorism ……. yes/no ?
The suicide attack on the Pentagon (military target) was an act of terrorism ……. yes/no?
———————————————————————————————————————————————-
.
yes
.
no.
.
Will you answer mine.
.
What about our State department droning Kaddafi’s convoy which enabled the murder of Libya’s president.?
Terrorism or no?
.
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
10:57 am
Paul
Did you happen to see some of the other links on your security story?
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/09/the-trip-that-wasnt-dems-cry-foul-over-libya-codel?s_cid=related-links:TOP
Paul
October 17th, 2012
11:00 am
Scout
“n other words, if anything they do would violate U.S. law it meets the definition of terrorism but the method of “dealing with it” is legally different.”
what in your post supports that assertion?
Mick
I’ve thought it pretty amazing for some time that so many people would select a president based upon a few debates.
mm
October 17th, 2012
11:01 am
The cons really need to realize that everything is on the internet now. Smart people can factcheck the GOP BS on their own.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
11:02 am
Brosephus
I didn’t. Thanks.
“Democrats on the oversight committee say Republicans have completely shut them out of the investigation, failed to give them notice of an overseas trip to Libya, kept documents concealed, and delayed one witness from speaking to them.”
I’ve thought for a long time Issa was more interested in theater and self-promotion than he was in truth.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
11:02 am
S. Ray — “JOE HUSSEIN Your comment about Clinton in your 10:38 is one of the funniest things I’ve heard here ever…kudos..”
Thank you! That’s very kind of you to say!
Many of our cons forget — and I’ve said it MANY times — that I was still supporting Republicans back during the Clinton era, and so I didn’t vote for him. Either time.
Whichever side of the aisle you’re on, I think it’s pretty clear that ole Bill was a horndog and that jokes along that line are often funny no matter who you prefer to vote for.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 17th, 2012
11:02 am
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
I don’t think the State Department “droned” anyone. I believe you mean the CIA or our military.
That said ………………. no.
There are many reasons why but the basic one is that there are “good guys” and “bad guys” out there even at the international level.
For example ……………. in this country, a FBI raid on a mafia headquarters is legal. A mafia raid on FBI Headquarters is not.
It’s really not that hard to understand ……….. IF ………… you know the difference between good and evil.
Obama/Biden 2012
October 17th, 2012
11:03 am
Umemployment has dropped from 10.2% to 7.8%
The stock market has doubled since the stimulus.
5 million private sector jobs have been created since 2009.
GDP has been growing since 2009.
Americans net worth is up $10 trillion dollars since 2009.
Auto sales are up. Retail sales are up. Home sales are up.
Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive.
Obama has done a very good job.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 17th, 2012
11:04 am
Paul:
“what in your post supports that assertion?”
Read/study the entire Patriot Act including the codified methods for dealing with terrorism and the Supreme Court decision(s) upholding same and you will understand.
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
11:04 am
I’ve thought for a long time Issa was more interested in theater and self-promotion than he was in truth.
He declared as much after the 2010 elections. I’m waiting for him to start an investigation on the debate moderators.
BuckeyeInGa
October 17th, 2012
11:06 am
John Sununu is looking HORRIBLE covering last night debates
Mick
October 17th, 2012
11:06 am
paul
Even though I was in the minority view about the first debate, there was nothing said by romney I found convincing. Seems people were more impressed in the way he spoke rather than what he was actually proposing..now its his turn to feel the heat…
Lord Help Us
October 17th, 2012
11:07 am
‘It’s really not that hard to understand ……….. IF ………… you know the difference between good and evil.’
An ironic glimpse at the superficial, fragile reality of the simple-minded…
Mark in mid-town
October 17th, 2012
11:08 am
There was plenty in last night’s debate that would allow either side to claim they won. I try to be objective and thought Obama won by a very small margin even though I think his presidency hass been a disaster and I greatly support Romney over him. That being said, the performance of the moderator was nothing short of disgraceful. It wasn’t just that she ran interference for Obama, her selection of questions was clearly tilted towards Obama. Just unbelievable. For the life of me and I’m sure for the life of other Republican supporters, just why does the Republican Party each presidential election cycle approve the selection of nothing but liberal moderators for the debates? Occasionally, some liberal moderators can act professionally and be fair to both sides with both the selection of questions and their conduct in refereeing, but that was certainly not the case last night. Candy Crowley clearly interjected herself into last night’s debate in a partisan way and made herself the story. But again, the Republicans only have themselves to blame when they sanction the use of only liberal moderators for these debates.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
11:08 am
USA Patriot — “Joe Mama – 10:04 – I don’t recall the GOP ignoring N. Korea, Iran, & China while cleaning up in the middle east.”
Well, *I* do.
Clinton set up the Agreed Framework in which the North Koreans agreed to abandon and dismantle their nuclear weapons program if we would set them up with two reactors to produce domestic power. They even agreed to let the IAEA monitor them constantly to ensure that they weren’t trying to sneak out fissile material or spent fuel for reprocessing. We also agreed to supply them fuel oil between the time of the agreement and the time the reactors came online.
All went well until Bush was in office; he and his negotiators got all froggy and accusatory with the North Koreans, and then the agreement fell apart. Within two years — during which time we refused to talk to them — they finished developing and then tested an atomic weapon.
So while Bush was mucking around with Iraq — which hadn’t even TRIED to develop an atomic weapon — North Korea took advantage of the situation and went ahead and finished their work. Result — CONSERVATIVE FAILSAUCE.
“Looks to me like the DEM’s are ignoring N.Korea, Iran, & China.”
Nope. You pretty clearly don’t keep up with either current events or recent history. Smarten up, son.
Lord Help Us
October 17th, 2012
11:09 am
‘why does the Republican Party each presidential election cycle approve the selection of nothing but liberal moderators for the debates? ‘
Can you nominate some moderators?
Ray Tardinski
October 17th, 2012
11:12 am
“The cons really need to realize that everything is on the internet now. Smart people can factcheck the GOP BS on their own.”
So if “smart” people can fact check – what does a single celled organism such as yourself do?
This coming from one who supports the biggest BS-er of all time. Fact checking at media matters and MSNBC is not fact checking. Did the Odumber answer one direct question last night?
Paul
October 17th, 2012
11:12 am
“Read/study the entire Patriot Act ”
Your deflections are getting lame, Scout.
It would appear you get an idea in your head, you post something, then when asked ‘how did you get here from there” you fall back on “study the entire history of western civilization….”
BTW – are you also making the case the consulate is not part of the territorial jurisdiction of the US?
Mark in mid-town
October 17th, 2012
11:13 am
Umemployment has dropped from 10.2% to 7.8%
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Actually, when weighting for the substantially high drop in work-force particiaption rate, the unemployment rate has actually increased. Applying the same work-force particpation rate that was in place when unemployment rate was 10.2%, then the 7.8% unemployment rate would really be closer to 11% which is higher than the 10.2% rate. In other words, the only reason that the unemployment rate has dropped from 10.2% to 7.8% is that millions of out-of-work people are no longer being counted as unemployed, even though for all intents and purposes, they are every bit as unemployed as the 7.8% who are still being officially counted as being unemployed.
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
11:17 am
Didn’t the last job numbers show that work-force participation increased?
Matti
October 17th, 2012
11:19 am
Mark in mid-town,
Do those calculations count each binder full of women as one, or as a number greater than one?
Thomas Heyward Jr.
October 17th, 2012
11:28 am
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 17th, 2012
11:02 am
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
I don’t think the State Department “droned” anyone. I believe you mean the CIA or our military.
That said ………………. no.
There are many reasons why but the basic one is that there are “good guys” and “bad guys” out there even at the international level.
For example ……………. in this country, a FBI raid on a mafia headquarters is legal. A mafia raid on FBI Headquarters is not.
It’s really not that hard to understand ……….. IF ………… you know the difference between good and evil.
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Thanks for your candor and forthrightiousness.
i understand your reasoning but…….. I would never leave it up to the State, and their cadre of self-interested politicians/bureacrats , to make that judgement (good or evil ) for me.
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This is where progressives such as you are, of the right and left , differ from Liberty-loving individuals.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
11:36 am
T. Heyward — “It’s really not that hard to understand ……….. IF ………… you know the difference between good and evil.”
If it’s their tactics and behavior that make them evil, then how are we *not* evil when we employ the same tactics and behavior?
If it’s their belief system that makes them evil, then President Bush lied when he said we weren’t at war with islam. And our wars in the Middle East and South Asia are now predicated on bigotry.
BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)
October 17th, 2012
11:37 am
To be fair to Mitt in the next debate, the moderator should be Ted Nugent. He would be no more biased than Crowly.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
11:39 am
T. Heyward — “i understand your reasoning but…….. I would never leave it up to the State, and their cadre of self-interested politicians/bureacrats , to make that judgement (good or evil ) for me.”
Ah. So if you yourself decided that something was “evil,” then are you saying that you reserve the right to strike against that “evil” even if so doing would be prohibited or considered illegal by the State?
.
“This is where progressives such as you are, of the right and left , differ from Liberty-loving individuals.”
What an absolutely ridiculous and arrogant statement.
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
11:41 am
The pervert moderator would be Jesse Ventura.
He would put up with ZERO cr@p from those two entitled empty suits.
And as an added bonus he would waterboard Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Sean Hannity during commercial breaks…
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
11:44 am
I liked the part of the debate where Candy Crowley told Romney to stop being such a whiny liar and to siddown and STFU.
moonbat betty
October 17th, 2012
11:49 am
Ha Ha “pervert moderator”
LOL, Jamvet!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
11:51 am
M. Betty — “Ha Ha “pervert moderator” LOL, Jamvet!”
Well, he *did* once claim to be a “g*dd*mn*d sexual Tyrannosaurus.”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093773/quotes
Tundra Dude
October 17th, 2012
11:52 am
We have more important things to talk about.
Once again, the “Debate Commission” did their job….acting as Gatekeepers,
ensuring the important things are off the table.
JKL2
October 17th, 2012
11:52 am
Jay- “leading from behind,” is designed to mask that reality and make small things appear large.
obama has been a lead from behind guy his entire life. He did next to nothing as a state senator and even less as a federal one. He would have made an excellent VP for Clinton. Unfortunately he has zero leadership skill and is terrible at personal communication. Insert “lipstick on a pig” comment here.
Thanks to the 47% we’ll be stuck with this idiot for four more years. Not sure how he will be as a “lame duck” because he doesn’t really do his job now anyway.
moonbat betty
October 17th, 2012
11:54 am
Wonderful – now we get to listen to the sheep baaaaaaaahing “binders” for the next 2 weeks…
Lame.
moonbat betty
October 17th, 2012
11:55 am
Good one, JHM.
moonbat betty
October 17th, 2012
11:58 am
I was hoping Candy would make Obama and Romney Tango together on the stage – then we could see who would lead.
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
12:02 pm
Thanks to the 47% we’ll be stuck with this idiot for four more years.
Yet another who fails to realize the composition of the 47%.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
October 17th, 2012
12:09 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
11:39 am
T. Heyward — “i understand your reasoning but…….. I would never leave it up to the State, and their cadre of self-interested politicians/bureacrats , to make that judgement (good or evil ) for me.”
Ah. So if you yourself decided that something was “evil,” then are you saying that you reserve the right to strike against that “evil” even if so doing would be prohibited or considered illegal by the State?
.
“This is where progressives such as you are, of the right and left , differ from Liberty-loving individuals.”
What an absolutely ridiculous and arrogant statement.
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I may only “strike” against something that violates my personal property rights.
.
See comman sense……..although I doubt it will stick.
Mick
October 17th, 2012
12:11 pm
Funny, I don’t consider romney an idiot…but the people who hate obama go to the extremes…I do consider romney a decent person but one who will say close to anything to grab the brass ring..that’s his choice…
HDB
October 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
This seems to sum things up quite nicely:
“As has been the case throughout the campaign, Romney’s problem is that this rhetoric lacks a firm foundation in the truth.”
Jamelle Bouie, Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/how-romney-lost-by-swinging-and-missing-on-libya/2012/10/17/04f8da50-1859-11e2-a346-f24efc680b8d_blog.html?hpid=z3
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
T. Heyward — “I may only “strike” against something that violates my personal property rights.”
We were talking about terror attacks and the like. How’d you go from terror attacks to violations of your property rights?
I smell backpedaling and cowardice.
.
“See comman sense……..although I doubt it will stick.”
Your failure to articulate and clarify your intentions says quite enough, thanks.
alex
October 17th, 2012
12:46 pm
@bropsephus, my, my a bit thin skinned are we?;can’t take a little humor. Your bias is evident and YOU can’t trust the president far enough to throw him, my my. Reading this blog sounds as if Atlanta is full of radical rights and lefts,where’s the moderation? I think we throw andrew sullivan, limbaugh,mathews, and hannity into a room,lock the door ,return in 30 minutes and if anyone of them has survived being bored to death-we elect their repective party….
Now Jay I’m upset that granny dunwoody or that godzilla didn’t “call” you on the gang banged remark—-
smc
October 17th, 2012
12:47 pm
Crowley and Obama are liars.
Watch the full ‘rose garden’ speech on 9/12/2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nu6VZ9DeVc
If you watch the full thing — see that Obama was talking about 9/11/2001 just prior to referring to “Acts of Terror” — this is a section of the speech after and separate from when he announced the “attacks” by “killers” in Benghazi. It is clear he was referring to 9/11/2001 and general such possible future attacks as “acts of terror” and did not define Benghazi in that way at all – and ALL of his and his administration’s words and behavior after that point referred to protests and a video as the cause of the Benghazi attacks for several weeks following.
Chicago style spin in conjunction with Candy Crowley and most media sources put out carefully and selectively edited video of the “rose garden” speech and talking points to reconstruct history (in other words — lie).
Ray
October 17th, 2012
12:55 pm
I’m glad Romney got called out on this one, but honestly, this whole Benghazi “issue” is an example of how stupid the political discourse has become in this country.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
12:57 pm
smc — “It is clear he was referring to 9/11/2001 and general such possible future attacks as “acts of terror” and did not define Benghazi in that way at all”
If he was referring to *future acts of terror,* then how, exactly, do you figure that Benghazi wasn’t included in that category?
Brosephus™
October 17th, 2012
1:00 pm
my, my a bit thin skinned are we?;can’t take a little humor.
When humor is present, then it is enjoyed.
Your bias is evident
As is your willful ignorance, but I’m not trying to make jokes of that, am I?
BeeJay
October 17th, 2012
1:04 pm
Obama did NOT say the attack in Libya was a terrorist act. He said “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.” This is a statement of policy, not a description of what happened the night before in Benghazi. He did not call this particular attack an act of terror. His moronic followers and groveling media worshipers however will interpret the statement any way they please, as usual. And the truth be damned. Congratulations, Bookman, on being sucked in as well.
smc
October 17th, 2012
1:20 pm
Candy Crowley needs to review the concpept of the Fourth Estate — this is NOT — or I hope not — a banana republic.
First of all — Obama did not answer Kerry’s question regarding security in Benghazi and Candy Crowley did not hold Obama to answer the question as she professed she would do prior to the debate on her Sunday show.
Secondly, Crowley and Obama are liars.
Watch the full ‘rose garden’ speech on 9/12/2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nu6VZ9DeVc
If you watch the full thing — see that Obama was talking about 9/11/2001 just prior to referring to “Acts of Terror” — this is a section of the speech after and separate from when he announced the “attacks” by “killers” in Benghazi. It is clear he was referring to 9/11/2001 and general such possible future attacks as “acts of terror” and did not define Benghazi in that way at all – and ALL of his and his administration’s words and behavior after that point referred to protests and a video as the cause of the Benghazi attacks for several weeks following.
Chicago style spin in conjunction with Candy Crowley and most media sources put out carefully and selectively edited video of the “rose garden” speech and talking points to reconstruct history (in other words — lie).
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
1:20 pm
BeeJay — “Obama did NOT say the attack in Libya was a terrorist act.”
And he did NOT say that it WASN’T one, either.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
1:21 pm
smc — “It is clear he was referring to 9/11/2001 and general such possible future attacks as “acts of terror” and did not define Benghazi in that way at all”
In your opinion.
Thomas
October 17th, 2012
1:36 pm
Too funny- the blind leading the blind here-
I ran over you spouse and all you are worried about is understanding the issues surrounding me running over our spouse.
We have a witness that actually saw you running over my spouse and has it videotaped but I understand you need more time to understand the issues surrounding the homicide.
We don’t want to be quick to judge why this happened but I will tell you Ms. Scarlett ran her baby stroller in front of the car- more to come but we are confident that happened even though Ms. Scarlett lives in Oregon, has no baby, and no other person is seen in the video that you, in fact, have full access to.
And then comes Cookie Bookie………. it was not vehicular homicide- let’s be clear, the person died from the trauma of seeing the car approach at a high rate of speed. Really Cookie? I am turning to you for a definition of “terrorist attack” truly pathetic.
tiredofIT
October 17th, 2012
1:38 pm
Peadawg
October 17th, 2012
10:24 am
“Yeah,ask me if we’re better off than we were 4 years ago.”
Hell all I have to do is look at all the construction going on around Athens to know we’re doing better.
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Same in Gwinnett
Krickstand
October 17th, 2012
1:39 pm
The article to which you refer about a first hand report of ground activities has only unidentified sources. Written by Christopher Stephens about the death of Ambassador Christopher Stevens – what an amazing coincidence. Were there really only one or two bullet holes left behind and have local families really moved into the secure compound already? This is remarkable information the government has aparrently overlooked.
tiredofIT
October 17th, 2012
1:46 pm
What does it say about a man whose was in the private sector for all of those years and had to ask for binder of women? He is a CEO and he has never worked with women? How it that possible? Sounds like no respect to me.
Obama won the debate. But the victory comes with a Benghazi asterisk | Full Comment | National Post
October 17th, 2012
1:46 pm
[...] am referring to the moment when Romney attacked Obama for not having immediately called the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. [...]
John Daly
October 17th, 2012
2:09 pm
“None of this matters much, or should matter much.” Wow, I bet it matters to Ambassador Stevens and the other three families think that it matters quite a bit.
alex
October 17th, 2012
2:15 pm
You make my point, my second point is lighten up , anyone who TM’s bropheus can’t be all that serious or should not take themselves so seriously—-sheeesh. You can join the gang in the room, you’ll win ….
Ahem
October 17th, 2012
3:07 pm
An ambassador has been killed and all MittOblunda can do is politize it and lie.
Ahem
October 17th, 2012
3:08 pm
Enter yAn ambassador has been killed and all
MittOblunda can do is politize it and lie.our comments here
Mighty Righty
October 17th, 2012
3:09 pm
Who would like to wager there have been more jobs sent over seas by Obama’s policies than occurred or were caused by Romney. I will give a few examples though there are many more. Start with GE building a green energy plany in China that will unltimately employ 20,000 chinese. (GE is headed by Obama’s jobs czar) How about the light bulb plant in Virginia that had to close due to Obma green energy policy. Those jobs were sent to China to make those $20.00 light bulbs we are now forced to buy and handle the used bulbs according to hazardous waste rules. Or the stimulous money Obama gave to Tesla Motors to build cars in Finland. There are other examples but you get the idea.
Mighty Righty
October 17th, 2012
3:19 pm
tiredofIT
October 17th, 2012
1:38 pm
Peadawg
October 17th, 2012
10:24 am
“Yeah,ask me if we’re better off than we were 4 years ago.”
Hell all I have to do is look at all the construction going on around Athens to know we’re doing better.
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Same in Gwinnett
None are so blind as those who refuse to see the shopping centers which are half empty, the ten percent unemployment rate in Georgia and the twntey million who are unemployed nationally while our president considers millions who are unemployed due to his policies as one of the success stories of his administration. Wow! In today’s economy I guess any construction would stand out. I know the tens of thousands of unemployed construction workers are doing well in Athens and Gwinnett although I’ll bet it would be a surprise to them.
Yes, Obama won the debate. But the victory comes with a big Benghazi asterisk
October 17th, 2012
3:28 pm
[...] am referring to the moment when Romney attacked Obama for not having immediately called the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. [...]
tiredofIT
October 17th, 2012
5:12 pm
None are so blind as those who refuse to see the shopping centers which are half empty, the ten percent unemployment rate in Georgia and the twntey million who are unemployed nationally while our president considers millions who are unemployed due to his policies as one of the success stories of his administration. Wow! In today’s economy I guess any construction would stand out. I know the tens of thousands of unemployed construction workers are doing well in Athens and Gwinnett although I’ll bet it would be a surprise to them..
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Thank you for reminding everyone of the damage done by the failed republican policy’s which led to the crash in 2008. As far as Georgia, hows that red state government working out. The unemployed construction workers should have known their field of employment was going to take a hit someday as development was way over done and not based on any real need. If you can’t get a job take some personal responsibility, get some education and move forward.
No WHINING!
Ralph
October 17th, 2012
5:30 pm
So Jay, you’re casting your lot with the meaning of the word ‘terrorist’. It appears to me that you are fighting over the definition of ‘is’ again. Do all ‘progressives’ have this problem?
Jm
October 17th, 2012
7:06 pm
Jay I agree
Well done and balanced
David Granger
October 18th, 2012
12:25 am
May I point out that President Obama slipped over after the debate to the person who had asked the “terrorism” question and explained to him why he “delayed calling the attack a terrorist attack”. (Wasn’t that EXACTLY what the President had denied doing?):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/presidential-debate-libya-questioner-says-obama-didnt-answer/2012/10/17/7109898e-1867-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_blog.html
But immediately after the debate, Ms. Crowley herself admitted that Romney had been correct in his assertion that President Obama had not referred to the Libya embassy attack as “terrorism” until many days later:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=athcyCTnTTs
MBA
October 18th, 2012
7:09 am
Journalists are supposed to be the solution to political problems. Bookman’s left-wing bias becomes the problem.