On Benghazi, the debate and ‘acts of terror’

The most dramatic moment of last night’s debate came when Mitt Romney insisted that President Obama had not immediately called the deadly attack on our consulate in Benghazi an act of terror. Obama just as boldly insisted that he had, and for a moment it appeared as if the two men were about to bet $10,000, if not the presidency itself, on the outcome of their disagreement.

The moment passed quickly when moderator Candy Crowley stepped in to rule Obama correct and Romney incorrect, a step that conservatives are condemning harshly this morning as evidence of liberal bias.

Let’s unpack this whole piece of baggage, starting from the beginning:

1.) The premise of the entire debate is false, because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror. An act of terror, by definition, targets the civilian population and attempts to inflict terror on that population. This was a military operation/assassination, targeted not at civilians but at the top American presence in Libya and, indirectly, at the armed guards who protected that presence. It was an attack on the United States and its interests.

Calling it an act of terror confuses the issue. However, we prefer that confusion. That confusion allows us to place this attack safely within our preferred War on Terror narrative and casts America as the innocent victim of nefarious, brutal men rather than as a major player contending for some share of power and influence in Libya, which is what we are.

September 11 was an act of terror. The truck bombing that killed 241 Marines in their barracks in Lebanon in 1983 was not an act of terror. Attacks on our forces in Afghanistan are not acts of terror. And neither was this.

2.) The Obama administration, for reasons that remain unclear, balked at calling it either an act of terror or a direct military operation. They initially preferred a third category, describing it as a mass protest that got out of hand. And while that characterization may have reflected initial and incorrect intelligence about the attack, they clung to that characterization long after it had become clear that it was false.

I have no idea why they did that. Maybe the facts changed more quickly than a sluggish bureaucracy was able to change its story. Maybe they were reluctant to admit to Libyans and the world that the facility targeted in the attack also served as a CIA outpost. The Republicans argue that the administration was attempting to hide its own security failing, but frankly that makes no sense either. The basic security arrangements that were needed to protect the Benghazi consulate from direct military attack would also have helped to protect it from an angry, unruly mob. Under either story line, those arrangements failed.

In fact, protecting that facility and its occupants from an attack of this sort — a coordinated, concerted assault by numerous well-armed fighters — would require security levels well beyond those needed to fend off a mob. So again, I am mystified as to why the administration was so slow to alter its story.

One other note: A lot has been made of the fact that the attack came on the anniversary of Sept. 11. I don’t doubt that the date made the operation more attractive to attackers. However, if they had gotten a shot at Ambassador Chris Stevens on Sept. 12 or Oct. 12, I suspect they would have taken it. He was that important to U.S. efforts to influence Libya’s future.

3.) If you nonetheless buy the argument that it was important to mislabel this an act of terror, then Romney and his fellow Republicans have a small point in claiming that the president and the Obama administration failed to do so.

The Obama administration likewise has a small point that he did do so.

Here’s what the president had to say in the Rose Garden the day after the attacks, in context:

“As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”

As you can see, Obama did refer to the violence in Libya as acts of terror, so the Democrats are right. But he did so briefly and indirectly, and for days afterward his administration inexplicably continued to try to sell the mob-violence narrative, so the Republicans are right as well. It is, in the end, an open question, which means that Crowley was probably wrong to interject herself on it so definitively.

4.) None of this matters much, or should matter much. Stevens is still dead. Libya is still fractious. The United States still faces years if not decades of difficult work in the Middle East. The Arab world remains convulsive as it attempts to achieve many centuries of modernization in a matter of mere decades. The fact that the two campaigns are squabbling so bitterly over such relatively small distinctions suggests just how constrained our foreign policy options really are at this point. Neither side has a major point to make, so they focus on minor ones.

Despite his aggressive talk and the neo-con Hall of Fame that he has gathered to advise him, for example, Romney cannot identify a single policy step that he would have taken differently in the Middle East, Iraq or Afghanistan. This supposed “controversy”, along with worn-out phrases such as “apology tour” and “leading from behind,” is designed to mask that reality and make small things appear large.

We have more important things to talk about.

– Jay Bookman

277 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 17th, 2012
8:36 am

An ambassador has been killed and all Mitt can do is politize it and lie.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 17th, 2012
8:38 am

And for all most people know, because the GOP house clowns disclosed information about CIA operations, there could have been a lot going on that remains classified.

Lord Help Us

October 17th, 2012
8:42 am

Jay, I get the bigger point…but, the specific point Romney was trying to make in his ‘gotcha’ impulse was, in fact, incorrect.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 17th, 2012
8:42 am

September 12: The New York Times reports that “[f]ighters involved in the assault…said in interviews during the battle that they were moved to attack the mission by anger over a 14-minute, American-made video that depicted the Prophet Muhammad, Islam’s founder, as a villainous, homosexual and child-molesting buffoon.” The Times continues to stand by its story.

TaxPayer

October 17th, 2012
8:42 am

How dare Mitt be called out for his lies by a mere female moderator.

Mick

October 17th, 2012
8:43 am

Yes, but romney really stepped in it with that wild eyed look as if he was going for the kill but missed – badly…

Brosephus™

October 17th, 2012
8:45 am

As I said downstairs, Obama appeared to get in touch with his inner “ABM” during that part of the debate. I could see anger in his eyes when discussing Libya. I don’t know how close Ambassador Stevens was with Obama, but that was the first time I’ve seen genuine feelings in Obama’s eyes. The feelings I saw were not feelings of love and friendship either. I think Romney was close to getting a good old fashioned Chicago ass whooping last night.

Hans

October 17th, 2012
8:45 am

After correcting Romney over the word “terror,” she proceeded to say that Big O continued to deny terror for two weeks, blaming the video instead. She corrected them BOTH but, of course, you only hear what you want to hear.

sam

October 17th, 2012
8:45 am

i’m not sure why its such a big deal that we call it a terrorist attack. people are dead, we’re working to find those resposnible. call it whatever the hell you want, just find them and punish them (i.e kill them).

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 17th, 2012
8:45 am

Mick, you mean the deadly “raised eyebrow”…… :lol:

Thomas Heyward Jr.

October 17th, 2012
8:46 am

“The United States still faces years if not decades of difficult work in the Middle East. ”
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That statement proves that Bookman is a Neo-Con too.
Neo-Con = Progressive.
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sad

Jay

October 17th, 2012
8:46 am

Mick, I agree that the optics on that were bad. If you’re going in for the kill, as you describe it, you better get the kill. Romney did not. He overplayed the moment, seeking a great advantage, and came up empty.

godless heathen

October 17th, 2012
8:47 am

Whatever the reasons were that the administration inexplicably continued to try to sell the mob-violence narrative, it sure has the appearance that it was a political calculation and not a strategic or security based calculation.

Curt Renshaw

October 17th, 2012
8:48 am

Film blamed BEFORE Obama’s Rose Garden Speech

On September 11, the story was already out that the “Innocence of the Muslims” film was responsible for the embassy attack in Benghazi (Reuters, Sep 11, 6:28 PM EDT Gunmen attack U.S. consulate in Libya’s Benghazi over film http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/11/libya-us-embassy-idUSL5E8KBMJ020120911). Similar stories appear on the same day from BBC, The Daily Beast and others.

Obama referred to the film being the cause in a sideways manner in his Rose Garden speech on Sep 12. He said, “Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.”

If the President was not referring to the already wide-spread news that the attack was in response to an anti-Islam film, then why is he talking about “efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others” and “no justification to this type of senseless violence”?

The real question is, since the film was not the cause of the attack, how did this become the story immediately after the attack in all major news services? Is it possible that someone had advance knowledge of the planned attacks and concocted the film protest story so it would be ready to go immediately after the attack? There is almost know other way that a fabricated story could be picked up and disseminated worldwide almost commensurate with the event itself.

Finally, the President did not refer to this event as an act of terror. In his speech, he was discussing the original 9/11 attack in New York, and how our freedoms are sustained by people willing to fight for it, after which he says, “No act of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation…” Not once in his speech is this attack referred to as an act of terror.

Jay

October 17th, 2012
8:48 am

Hans, that’s a valid point as well, but as you say, it will be lost because of the optics of Romney’s ‘gotcha’.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 17th, 2012
8:48 am

When do we discuss the “binders full o’ women”??

Hans

October 17th, 2012
8:49 am

Also O only discussed what he was going to do to find those responsible for the attack – he didn’t answer the question of whether or not the White House knew that extra protection had been requested, and perhaps, denied. It’s easy to say we will search for the person responsible. The question was did you know more protection was requested, and if so, why did you deny it?

Jay

October 17th, 2012
8:49 am

it sure has the appearance that it was a political calculation and not a strategic or security based calculation.

Can you explain why that might be? What major political advantage did they seek in explaining it as they did? Because I just don’t see one.

Bill Orvis White

October 17th, 2012
8:51 am

Where was this “president” after the jihadists stormed the embassy? Oh yes, “he” was paling around with a bunch of looney leftists. Gimme a break! This guy is so incompetent and arrogant. This fool will get us all killed if we’re not protecting ourselves. Get your heads out of the sand, you clueless libs! Amen, Bill

The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat

October 17th, 2012
8:52 am

Though a Liberal will never admit it, the reason Obama clings to the mob violence narrative is that it makes the US the bad guy, not the Muslims.

godless heathen

October 17th, 2012
8:53 am

Can you explain why that might be? What major political advantage did they seek in explaining it as they did? Because I just don’t see one.

The “no terror attacks on my watch” meme that has been popular with the administration’s supporters. The Fort Hood massacre comes to mind. Pretty much painted as work place violence instead of an attack by an Islamic extremist.

RB from Gwinnett

October 17th, 2012
8:53 am

Jay, “I have no idea why they did that.”

Really????? Do you think maybe they did that to avoid having to admit to the American people our consulate was attacked by the enemy Obama had just finished telling us was depleted? To avoid having to answer for a lack of security at a facility in an unstable nation that had been bombed in recent months?

Maybe if you pull your head out of Obama’s rear end for a bit you’ll be able to think about it more clearly. They made up this BS about the video to deflect responsibility and pushed the lie on the American people for 2 weeks, Jay, not 4 days. 2 weeks hoping it would stick and the story would die. And the AJC and other “news” outlets are doing everything they can to help them out with that.

stands for decibels

October 17th, 2012
8:54 am

Calling it an act of terror confuses the issue. However, we prefer that confusion.

Because “manhood.”

The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat

October 17th, 2012
8:54 am

If it gets called for what it is, Obama can’t continue to claim his foreign policy has been effective with regards to Al Qaeda. You know they are pretty much dead now that Obama killed Bin Laden :-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 17th, 2012
8:54 am

Mitt’s raised eyebrow “gotcha” optics reminds me of this squirrel

TaxPayer

October 17th, 2012
8:54 am

Romney is empty. He is analogous to a giant billboard waiting to display its next poll-driven gotcha, sponsored by the Koch crooks, et al.

DownInAlbany

October 17th, 2012
8:54 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 17th, 2012
8:36 am

An ambassador has been killed and all Mitt can do is politize it and lie.

An ambassador has been killed and all Obama can do is fly to NV for a fund-raiser.

Moderate Line

October 17th, 2012
8:55 am

We have more important things to talk about.
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We had more important things to talk about when some Republicans broke into the Dem Headquarters but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t important. Whenever one side says we have more important things to talk about that usually means they want to change the subject. How much time and money has Obama and his supporters including Jay been talking about Romney’s tax returns. Seriously, what is more important Romney’s tax return or Obama adminstrations blaming a video for the embassy attack in Libya.

We have more important things to tak about but this is still important.

The Libya story is relavant because you had an adminstration official on the a Sunday talk show blaming a video. Crowley scewed up as because she became part of the story.

I think actually, you know, because right after that, I did turn to Romney and said you were totally correct but they spent two weeks telling us that this was about a tape and that there was this riot outside of the Benghazi consulate, which there wasn’t. So he was right in the main, I just think that he picked the wrong word.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/16/cnns_candy_crowley_romney_was_actually_right_on_libya.html

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 17th, 2012
8:56 am

JAY,

Couldn’t agree more and kudos for you for taking an even approach on this issue…BO did the right thing by assuming responsibility.

I think next time if Romney wins the toss, he will defer to the second half…I think it was too close to call until the 47% thingy reared its head…

I disagree with those suggesting BO won in any material fashion as the left seem to be giddy simply because BO actually showed up and put up a fight. He was much more evasive on answering specific questions…he did a horrid job responding the the guy asking him why he should support BO again despite his disappointment…within seconds, BO turned his answer to security and eduction…two things I doubt this guy stays up at night worrying about..

Neither said anything new and both missed grand opportunities..

Don’t confuse him actually be present with any “Chicago ass whupping ” as some have suggested..

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

October 17th, 2012
8:56 am

Cheesy Grits looked crazed.

He really thought he was going to bring the house down and catch Obama.

Obama’s strongest moment to me were when he strongly admonished Romney for playing politics with this issue.

Bottom line Obama won big no matter what the Cons say. He didn’t win them over. Never will.

But his performance last night moved alot of independents who lean Democratic back in his corner.

Moderate Line

October 17th, 2012
8:57 am

Says Mitt Romney “called the Arizona law a model for the nation.”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: False | Details

Says Barack Obama began his presidency “with an apology tour.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Pants on Fire! | Details

Says President Obama waited two weeks to call the attack in Libya “terror.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

Says Mitt Romney refused to say whether he’d sign the Lilly Ledbetter bill.
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Mostly True | Details

When Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he “stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’”
Barack Obama, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: True | Details

“Oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land.”
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: Half-True | Details

Says Obama broke his promise to offer a comprehensive immigration bill in his first year.
Mitt Romney, Tuesday, October 16th, 2012.

Ruling: True | Details

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/16/fact-checking-town-hall-debate/

Brosephus™

October 17th, 2012
8:58 am

She corrected them BOTH but, of course, you only hear what you want to hear.

Yep. She actually told them they were both correct on the points they were trying to make.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 17th, 2012
8:58 am

Nope, DowninAlbany, the President addressed the nation in the Rose Garden that morning and later traveled to LV. But of course being in the air means he is out of contact, right? How absurd and silly you are.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

October 17th, 2012
8:59 am

We have more important things to talk about.

So we’ll get new sheets sooner? Because you are correct: this whine of the Republicans is really about nothing at all when you stop and think about it. It’s emotionalism wrapped up in fake patriotism. Obama’s response to act offended was the right answer to it all.

kayaker 71

October 17th, 2012
8:59 am

Bookman,

You leave out a very important part of the controversy, as usual. The video. Everyone including Bozo, Rice, Clinton and Carney insisted, for a week, that the video was the cause of this terror attack. They side stepped every part of the controversy in favor of blaming a damned video. Even Bozo mentioned the video 6 times in his UN speech. Hell, the American they arrested for expressing his Constitutional right to free speech is still in jail on some trumped up probation violation charge. The State Dept stepped up and said they were not going to fall on their swords for Hillary and she and Bozo decided that it was better for him for her to take the blame, especially right before an election. This whole fiasco was handled as if it were Spanky and the Gang handling foreign policy. “We have more important things to talk about”…… four American dead because someone screwed up and you’re intent on moving along. Damn….. just, damn.

BuckeyeInGa

October 17th, 2012
8:59 am

BottomLine Romney blew it going for the kill..this probably will hurt him among undecided(s).

The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat

October 17th, 2012
8:59 am

Heck, even Jimmy Carter stayed in the White House when the hostages were taken. Can’t you see how inept this guy is? I guess a few thousand dollars in Vegas is more important than dealing with a situation where Americans were ‘not murdered in a terrorist act’.

Fly-On-The-Wall

October 17th, 2012
8:59 am

Jay,

I personally find the ‘name’ used by ‘Moochers & Baby Killers’ to be personally offensive. Please have that person find a new, sensible name. Thanks.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

October 17th, 2012
9:00 am

92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.

33 killed at American embassies under Bush.

4 killed at American embassies under Obama.

President Obama is right. He has the BEST record of defending our embassies.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 17th, 2012
9:00 am

TAXPAYER

They both are empty…BO certainly doesn’t deserve a second term….and his inability to remotely defend his record speaks volumes …he accomplished a fraction of his promises..I almost choked whe he said he took wall street to task with Dodd Frank which in essence left the too big to fail institions stronger then ever and knowing that the taxpayers will always be there to bail them out..Also his speaking to the immigration problem without even an effort was a joke.

Romney is full of his own BS….one can’t defend his record, the other can’t confirm his intents…

OBIWAN

October 17th, 2012
9:00 am

OK, lefties let’s get this correct, the president used the word “terror” in the Rose Garden, he did NOT say that this was a terrorist attack, and better yet if he did say it was a terrorist attack why did he 2 weeks later stand in front of the United Nations and say repeatedly that this attack was cause by a movie that no one has seen. Why did he and Clinton make a commercial in Pakistan saying the attack was a spontaneous reaction to a movie? I know a lie when I hear one and he stood in front of the world and lied to them, maybe this is why we are losing respect around the world…

TBone

October 17th, 2012
9:00 am

Well I guess Honey BooBoo’s endorsement of Obama pretty much seals the deal for this election cycle.

The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat

October 17th, 2012
9:01 am

Obama’s strongest moment to me were when he strongly admonished Romney for playing politics with this issue.

And lying about it to make your foreign policy look good isn’t playing politics? Since when is National Security not a political topic?

Scooter

October 17th, 2012
9:02 am

Fact is, The Obama and NATO created a power vacuum in Libya and we didn’t have the foresight or initiative to provide adequate security in that environment. There simply is no other way to put it.

The Majority of Moochers and Baby Killers Vote Democrat

October 17th, 2012
9:02 am

At least Reagan and Bush cared. What exactly did Obama do in the two weeks after the killings that showed he cared a little bit?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

October 17th, 2012
9:03 am

Everyone including Bozo, Rice, Clinton and Carney insisted, for a week, that the video was the cause of this terror attack.

Because that’s what the intelligence agencies were saying to them. The Director of NI said so himself on Sept. 28… that everyone was just repeating what the intelligence analysts had concluded. You’d rather they get ahead of that and make something else up instead?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 17th, 2012
9:03 am

BRO,

I don’t agree totally with Crowley’s comment..BO and the WH waited more than a week before confirming this was a terrorist attack…despite the fact that State Dept knew 24 hours in that it was definitely a terrorist attack and no riot took place at that time..

BO needs new sheets on his handling of this…at least he admitted his appointees acted inappropriately..that will be exploited..

gm

October 17th, 2012
9:04 am

4 years no attacks on American soil, last administration 3500 Americans dead 911, end of story””’

willydoit?

October 17th, 2012
9:05 am

I don’t know that there is anything anyone can do to prevent every attack. I just find it amazing that the administration really thought people would believe a movie would incite a riot like that!!

But then again, these are the same people that got upset over some stupid cartoons!

DownInAlbany

October 17th, 2012
9:05 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 17th, 2012
8:58 am

Nope, DowninAlbany, the President addressed the nation in the Rose Garden that morning and later traveled to LV. But of course being in the air means he is out of contact, right? How absurd and silly you are.

How can you possibly justify the sitting President of the USA going to a campaign fund-raiser when we have citizens dead, at a point when the administration claims to not have all the facts…not knowing why the citizens were dead? And, then accuse Romney of politicizing the events? That’s not only parroting the party-line, it’s disingenuous. You are definitely a brain-dead liberal.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")

October 17th, 2012
9:05 am

Your last line is the most important – when you can not win the argument – “move on”. In fact, the Democrats have a whole organization, by this name, dedicated to this premise, don’t they?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

October 17th, 2012
9:05 am

4 killed at American embassies under Obama.

It isn’t an “embassy”. It’s a “consulate”. There’s a difference in size and scope.

Mick

October 17th, 2012
9:06 am

**four American dead because someone screwed up and you’re intent on moving along. Damn….. just, damn**

Maybe, because they are investigating to get the actual facts! Why is it that everything has to be out there immediately? How long did it take the previous administration to even comment on the outing of a covert cia agent? They wouldn’t comment because as they said, “it is an ongoing investigation”. What exactly are the conned looking for and what do they want? We know that four americans were killed in an attack on a consulate, not an embassy, what is the freakin problem here???

Lord Help Us

October 17th, 2012
9:06 am

Jay, I believe Crowley saved Mitt’s bacon by interjecting…

Mitt was going to keep digging the hole and, after first looking like he was going to immediately confront…Obama then went to the, ‘proceed, Governor’ approach to let him get even deeper.

I would have liked to have seen where Mitt would have taken it…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 17th, 2012
9:06 am

BYTEME

The STATE department knew within 24 hours that it was a planned attack and not connected with any video…which had been out since July…the State Department never concluded it had anything to do with video…Why didn’t Carney et al simply combine heads with State? In fact , they watched it in live time video…

ByteMe - Got ilk?

October 17th, 2012
9:06 am

I just find it amazing that the administration really thought people would believe a movie would incite a riot like that!!

You mean like the movie did in several other arab countries, including Egypt?

Ronald Reagan Parkway

October 17th, 2012
9:09 am

Just say NO to Mitt Romney.

JR

October 17th, 2012
9:09 am

Good article. I agree that Obama, Romney, or anyone else may not have prevented the attacks. Where Obama looks weak was Insisting the attacks was a angry response to a unknown, little viewed video when many felt differently.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 17th, 2012
9:10 am

Well, it was a azz-whooping, is what it was. Poor Romney looked like so many I’ve seen heading from the bar to the parking lot while wiping the blood off of his face and cussing all the way. He was like the sassy teenager denied the keys to the family car and mouthing off.

I don’t care much about this Libya business. All I know is, it was a sad, sad thing to watch Romney get his rear end handed to him.

Have a good Hump Day everybody.

Brosephus™

October 17th, 2012
9:11 am

I don’t agree totally with Crowley’s comment

And that doesn’t shock or suprise me at all. Seems like this particular president will get castigated if he doesn’t enunciate his words correctly. Previous administrations have been given all kinds of leeway when it comes to crap like this, so pardon me when I say that I don’t have the same angst as others in this situation.

I personally don’t give a rat’s ass if Obama initially blamed the incident on “Girls Gone Wild: Benghazi Edition”. I’ve been around long enough to know that only fools jump to conclusions without knowing all the facts. I would much rather have people gather FACTS and then make a conclusion instead of jumping to a conclusion and then manufacturing facts to support their thinking.

gm

October 17th, 2012
9:11 am

Under W 13 Embassy Attacks, the right wing nut jobs how many Americans have died on American soil under Obama? you nut jobs have nothing 4 dead compared to 3500 Americans dead, go back in to your narrow Obama hater mold.

Jay

October 17th, 2012
9:11 am

DownInAlbany

October 17th, 2012
9:11 am

I will be without internet access for the majority of the day. I’ll say this and go away for a while (hold your applause, libs)…Obama really needed to knock Romney out last night and that did not happen. The momentum will continue to shift in Romney’s favor. We can tit-for-tat last night’s debate for the next 2 weeks, but, it will not change the fact that O didn’t even show in Denver, was much better last night, but, not good enough to change things. Just my opinion…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 17th, 2012
9:12 am

MICK,

First defending BO by comparison to another screw up speaks volumes…All you have to do is look at the timeline..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

His speech to UN in late September he mentioned the video more than several times…why were they so slow to acknowledge what the State Dept knew within 24 hours? He and his appointees failed and he took the fall…

Ben

October 17th, 2012
9:12 am

It matters only because point #2, that Obama continued with the video story even after it was clear that had no truth to it, shows that Obama’s misdirections always serve to try to put the blame for everything anywhere but on him. I saw several quotes from Reagan (who I do not worship like old school Republicans do) talking about the embassy attacks during his time in office and taking full responsibility for their not being enough security and such. The only things Obama ever takes full responsibility for are the things that go well, even if he had nothing to do with them. Nothing bad is ever his fault.

kayaker 71

October 17th, 2012
9:13 am

ByteMe, 9:03,

So now it’s the intelligence communities fault. Was it their fault that we only had one American person assigned to protect our Ambassador? You do know that the two Seals that were killed were not assigned to the embassy. They only volunteered to help out and ended up saving over 20 embassy personnel through their bravery and dedication. Security was in the tank. They asked for more security and were turned down. And there is pretty good evidence that the local security detail were in the hip pocket of the terrorists.
Bozo won’t even call Muslim fanatics for what they are. With that brilliant stroke of Bozo leadership in killing OBL, Al Queda was supposed to be dead and buried. But admitting that Al Queda was alive and well would look bad right before an election, would it not? Can’t wait to send this buffoon back to Chicago where he belongs.

willydoit?

October 17th, 2012
9:13 am

“You mean like the movie did in several other arab countries, including Egypt?”

They didn’t even know the movie was out until we advertised it.

TaxPayer

October 17th, 2012
9:13 am

If you liked George W., you’ll just love me. – Mitt

Joe The Plumber Too

October 17th, 2012
9:14 am

Love how barry skirted the comment on Fast and Furious and his using the power of the Oval Office to shut down the investigation of his buddy eric holder. This will be big at the next debate. The family of Officer Terry deserve answers from this administration as do all Americans. There is much more to the story than we have learned, if barry’s dirty little fingers weren’t all over this he would have let holder go down for it.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 17th, 2012
9:15 am

BRO,

Your full of it this morning…the State Dept watched this incident in live time…You are completely BS’ing that other candidates (at the direction of your idol) all get there words taken out of context or attacked otherwise on choice of words..no need to whine on behalf of your choice…he deflects to Bush on enough his shortcomings..Get real

gm

October 17th, 2012
9:15 am

Lets vote for Mitt, where more 911 atttacks can happen on American soil, the nut jobs rather put the war hawk in office rather then the President who have kept the gomers of Georgia safe for 4 years.

Georgia you really show why you are never no factor in any election, who can take you serious?

straitroad

October 17th, 2012
9:15 am

This issue will be hashed out in the foreign policy debate. The question I have is whether obama will again need assistance from the moderator that he so gladly accepted last night when his administration’s handling and cover up of the Libya situation was exposed. Crowley’s inability to remain impartial did not surprise me, rather I was pleasantly surprised that she was able to mask her bias until the Libya question. She later admitted that her emotions got the best of her, thus probaly disqualifying herself from future debates. This issue will not go away because of the deception perpetrated by obama.

joe

October 17th, 2012
9:16 am

Obama DID NOT call the events in Benghazi a terrorist attack the next day in the rose garden. For Candy to come to his defense was unreal. Get the transcript. Obama mentioned something about terror never changing our country, but he NEVER said that attack was a terrorist attack.

He said for weeks that it was a protest as the result of a video.

That part of the debate was a huge joke…

Mick

October 17th, 2012
9:17 am

stevie

What are we missing here? What exactly is yours and others point, that security was not up to par? Did we know an attack was imminent? How about the ambassador, what was he thinking prior to the attack, did he feel safe going to the consulate with the level of security attached to him? An investigation should conclude with the facts, what is the friggin rush? Oh yes I know the answer to that – november 6th…

Just Saying..

October 17th, 2012
9:18 am

Terrific analysis, well written.
That anyone would read bias into this analysis is a measure of how obedient their thinking has become.

TaxPayer

October 17th, 2012
9:19 am

Republicans have no choice but to latch on to this non-issue and try to pervert it into something that makes Mitt look good. It’s what Republicans do when they got nothing. We’ve seen it from them over and over and over… You cons need to stick with your line about Obama not closing Guantanamo. There’s no need for you to pull your foot out of your mouth just so you can re-insert it. Just leave it there.

kayaker 71

October 17th, 2012
9:20 am

We need some different moderators. Next is Schieffer, the most liberal of them all. Who picks these clowns, anyway?

OBIWAN

October 17th, 2012
9:20 am

How many times can Obozo spike the ball on Binladen, isn’t he the one that said not to do that?

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

October 17th, 2012
9:23 am

Obama mentioned something about terror never changing our country, but he NEVER said that attack was a terrorist attack.

You mean the speech he was giving the next day to respond to the attacks in which he mention terror attacks on the US.

Gotcha.

92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.

33 killed at American embassies under Bush.

4 killed at American embassies under Obama.

Somebody impartial might look at those numbers and say Obama has done a fantastic job.

Notice I said impartial.

Lord Help Us

October 17th, 2012
9:24 am

While you were whining…

“Construction of U.S. homes accelerates 15% in September to surpass forecasts — and mark out the highest level in more than four years. Building permits jump nearly 12%, also to a four-year high”

Brosephus™

October 17th, 2012
9:24 am

You are completely BS’ing that other candidates (at the direction of your idol) all get there words taken out of context or attacked otherwise on choice of words

First things first, I don’t have an idol. If you would like to continue debate, don’t ever say such bullsh*t as that or I will put you on permanent ignore.

I’m sure if I actually took the time to look for them, there are probably instances where every administration has said/done something along the same lines. It’s nothing more than politics. The problem is that, people such as you, seem to take a special affinity to holding Obama to super duper high standards in his words, actions, and deeds where the previous administrations were not held to such high standards.

Whether you agree with that or not is of no concern of mine. If you actually view things from the middle, as you claim to do, you would see that. It’s much harder to see when you look at things from a partisaned perspective though.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 17th, 2012
9:25 am

MICK,

The STATE department knew within 24 hours this had nothing to do with video…does the State Department have a problem communicating up? You should call it what is was which was a complete cluster…it did happen on Sept 11…

Jay, I read that assessment which certainly sheds light…still the timeline remains to look awful for the president who is hoping the investigation will help him in next debate…he will need it since it is easy to take advantage of the poor optics he is facing

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

October 17th, 2012
9:25 am

Who picks these clowns, anyway?

The candidates do when they sign a memo of understanding regarding the debates.

barking frog

October 17th, 2012
9:25 am

The attackers presented no
representation of any
country so they must be
labeled terrorists.

lynnie gal

October 17th, 2012
9:26 am

Romney looked foolish standing there challenging the president on the did-he or didn’t-he (say “terrorist”) after the Libyan embassy was attacked. It was irresistible for Crowley to correct the record when Romney made such a meaningless challenge a big deal. I think Romney looked plastic, ill-informed (because he used data from conservative think-tanks instead of real-world data) and belligerent. Plus, Romney wears too much makeup.

Lord Help Us

October 17th, 2012
9:28 am

Crowley saved Mitt’s butt last night…

Obama was ready to let him dig his hole another ten feet when she bailed Mitt out…

Brock

October 17th, 2012
9:29 am

I thought Obama even tried to give Mittens an out when he kept hounding him about Obama saying this was a terrorist attack in the Rose garden speech. After Romney kept asking him over and over Obama said “please continue Govenor”, as in “STFU and move on before you sink yourself idiot”.

OBIWAN

October 17th, 2012
9:30 am

Didn’t a state department employee testify in front
of congress that they watched the attack in real time on their security cameras, or was she mis-speaking also?

jconservative

October 17th, 2012
9:30 am

Romney missed an opportunity to score a foreign policy point. There is no way Libya is a win for the administration. If Romney had said “no comment” he would have won the point. But he did not. And immediately after the debate every station covering the debate showed the Rose Garden tape with Obama saying “acts of terror”. Perception.

The Romney campaign staff should have had him ready for the Libya question. Clearly they did not.
The next debate is foreign policy only. The Romney staff had better get their facts straight.

I still find it astounding. For the Obama years we have had the worse economic conditions in 80 years, we have Trillion dollar deficits, the administration’s Middle East policy is in shambles and Romney has been able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 17th, 2012
9:30 am

BRO,

Your ongoing comments do in fact lean heavy toward Obama…if you want to put me on some permanent black list, I have not control over that…

Yes I lean right on some issues and left on some as well…I take exception to Obama’s foreign policy and poor follow thru on his promises. He deserves to get called out cause he has done poor job despite the hand he was dealt..I generally prefer to save my right criticisms (no small amount) for use on right posts..what good is it to become part of a mutual admiration society on any blog…those who follow that perscription (more the rule than exception) learn nothing..

Blocking me from your universe is your choice..if you assume that such an action makes a difference is rather arrogant..

Edwin Chee

October 17th, 2012
9:30 am

From an outsider (a foreigner) view, a conspiracy view, could Steve be still alive ? I am from half an earth away. Sept 11 is an anniversary and the Film triggered an angry Libya and this film was riding on the Sept 11 and using the opportunity to use the day to convey the anti-Islam message. Could it be that he has been transported secretly outside Libya when Obama and CIA sensed the Code Red in Libya, create a vacuum awaiting a new “Steve” to arrive to fill the gap. You never know how good photoshop is. With today’s Supercomputers (Cray) , video is .almost indistinguishable from the real thing. From a Sci-fi perspective. However, my most sincere condolence from the bottom of my heart to the self-less 4 that had their lives ended before time. Maybe, just maybe, in HIS time. I am neither a pro-democrat nor a pro-republican, but the name of my country is the Republic of Singapore. On my gut feeling, I am for President Obama because he is for the people.One vote from an observer far far away.

curious

October 17th, 2012
9:33 am

How did the bad guys know the Ambassador was at the Consulate?

Usually the Ambassador is at the Embassy in Tripoli. This attack was planned and either the Ambassador was lax in Security for himself and team or some insider tipped off the attackers.

Joseph

October 17th, 2012
9:33 am

I’m wondering if deep down libs really think Oblama won last nights debate?

Lord Help Us

October 17th, 2012
9:33 am

‘One vote from an observer far far away.’

Definitely, ‘far far away…’ from reality…

Jack

October 17th, 2012
9:34 am

I have to file a number of amended returns; just found out last night that small businesses received 18 tax reductions.

TaxPayer

October 17th, 2012
9:35 am

The only thing that could make the antiqued white party happier is if Mitt announced that he would put Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld on his braintrust too.

Joseph

October 17th, 2012
9:35 am

Even MessNBC can’t find a panel to side with Oblama. sad…

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id={845B3C7D-C36F-43A4-899A-43654D5288EC}&title=MSNBC-Undecided-Voter-Panel-Leans-Romney

JamVet

October 17th, 2012
9:36 am

Years and years and years of cheering on horrifically mismanaged and botched invasions/occupations in two different countries resulting in nearly 5,000 Americans being KIA’d needlessly, tens of thousands more maimed and ruined. Trillions of dollars wasted, and the neocons said barely a friggin’ peep.

NOW, we have an isolated incident, where four Americans died serving Uncle Sam – who the cons hate anyway – and the suddenly uber-concerned chickenhawks want to empanel a new Warren Commission.

These Republicans First, America Second types can all go ____ themselves…

Joseph

October 17th, 2012
9:37 am

The Romney Obama/Crowley debate was fun to watch I will admit. I like aggression & Candy I mean Obama was on it…

TaxPayer

October 17th, 2012
9:37 am

Watch out Bro. Stevie Ray will be proclaiming that he is an impartial Independent any post now.