Gallup: Romney busts out a six-point lead

If debates matter, and it appears that they do, Gallup will have different results in a few days. Romney won’t like them.

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The polls will correct right before the election for credibility just like 08.

The last two debates will move them to our President.

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Our President will win the last debate.

Our President will strike the terrorists in Libya.

Our President will lower unemployment in the October job report.

Our President will get patriotism after the obl movie.

Our President will win reelection.

I have no doubt.

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I have to share this quote from Erick Erickson’s post about the debate last night. Sadly, it really illustrates the depravity of many on the right–

“Several times, on the stage, Mitt Romney commanded and the President followed. Romney led the President and I think it showed to undecided voters. Romney, at one point, commanded the President shut up and sit down and the President did so like a dog told to sit. It was masterful.”

To their disgrace, CNN actually hired this guys and continues to keep him on the payroll and put him on the air.

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Mighty Righty

October 17th, 2012
1:54 pm
Democrats are in full panic mode as the below article proves.

Despite numerous media outlets attempting to downplay the issue, Twitter exploded last night following the debate with new threats from Obama supporters to assassinate Mitt Romney if he defeats Obama in the presidential race.

As we reported yesterday, in addition to threats by Obama supporters to riot if Romney wins, innumerable Twitter users are also making direct death threats against Romney.

The primary reason given for Obama supporters wanting to see Romney dead is the fear that he will take away food stamps.

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Please expound.

Give us some examples.

Give us some quantities.

Compare and contrast to type and quantity that have threatened President Obama.

Oh and….Gabby Giffords.

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I’ve already registered my displeasure with the communist-in-charge at the registrar’s office. Seems there were some other people there who were eager to do the same.

Not many Democrats on the ballot…Mostly Republicans vs. Libertarians.

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JB – Did you happen to see the focus groups follow up after the debate? Even the group on MSNBC was more than majority for Romney. Loved the guy on the Fox focus group that voted for BHO and said BHO has bull****ing the country for the last 4 years. Seems to me the “undecided” voters are the folks that voted for BHO last time around and it isn’t looking pretty for him this time around.

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Erick and the Wingnuts need to make up their minds — they criticize Biden for being Rude and disrespect Obama for being polite… Kind a like Romney — one day he’s to the right, and the next day he isn’t… They are making zig-zag zell look like a straight arrow!

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Gall-up ?
Naaaaah !

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pre-debate, and just part of a daily tracker. If in fact you count that people don’t comprehend rude and arrogant behaviour, I suspect we will be seeing a shift again soon, unless they oversample in the south, which when the finding are broken out by geography show the PTOUS still leading in all other geographic areas of the country.

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The Damage was done in the first Debate.

While Obama did well to win STYLE points and save a little face, he cannot escape his FAILED record while in office.

Last night CNN showed polling results after the Debate of all of the sub-categories:
1) Who do you trust will do a better job on the econmy
2) ……………………………………………………….Taxes
3)…………………………………………………………Healthcare
4)…………………………………………………………Immigration
5)…………………………………………………………Yada yada yad

And Mitt Romney was DOUBLE digits ahead in every category which John King kept pointing out.

So while Obama saved some FACE….. He’s lost the RACE!

Obama = NO SUBSTANCE

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Well we now know what the women without uteruses and white men with large trust funds think.

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Romney Busts out!! OH NOES!!

Quick get him a binder!

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Note: Gallup’s tracking poll is a 7-day poll. It’ll take about 3 days before we see a clear trend. We’ll see it in other polls first. Expect the big media companies to have at least one by tomorrow.

Here’s the other thing: the pollsters are consistently saying that the bulk of the undecideds are mostly Republican voters, which is why the numbers broke so strongly for Romney in the past week. The question is: if they’re truly “undecided” on Romney at this point, are they they motivated enough to be a truly “likely” voter?

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Those who saw the debate on television thought Obama won. Those who watched the debate on their Etch-a-Sketch thought Romney won.

that could explain the new poll

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“Keep Obama” — no on on the right criticized Obama after the first debate — Another lie to add to the woodpile…

Check Redstate post at 12:40 am in Oct 4– you will find criticism there…

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That explains in part why Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight continues to give him a 64.8 percent change of winning re-election. However, that advantage continues to erode as well.

well not really–it bottomed out on the 12th, but it’s risen a bit since then. (Granted, it was last updated last night, maybe the next update will show a downturn.) Dead cat bounce? Maybe, but it’s still a projected win.

Let’s not forget what Romney has to do in the swing states to pull it off. Won’t be easy for him even if the polling stays put.

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Granny

The language is too filthy to be printed here but below is the link where you can find the info including there ID’s id you are really interested. I would like to point out that Gabby Giffords was shot by a liberal left wing nut. Since the truth of this has been in the media multiple times I am surprised you didn’t know that.

http://www.infowars.com/threats-to-assassinate-romney-explode-after-debate/

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Also (I know I’ve pointed this out before) while I respect the Gallup organization, I can believe Nate’s claims of a +2.5% pro-GOP house effect, given that Gallup’s approval numbers are consistently below those of other pollsters. Not by a lot, but it’s noticeable.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/calculating-house-effects-of-polling-firms/

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Here is another of those “skewed” right wing polls.

The University of Colorado (CU) prediction renowned for perfect accuracy will predict a popular-vote win for Mitt Romney later this month, Campus Reform has learned.

The poll has accurately predicted every presidential election since it was developed in 1980. It is unique in that it employs factors outside of state economic indicators to predict the next president.

CU Political Science Professor Dr. Michael Berry, who spoke with Campus Reform at length on Tuesday, said there is at least 77 percent chance that Romney will win the popular vote.

Professor Michael Berry from the University of Colorado told Campus Reform in an exclusive interview that there is a 77 percent chance Romney will win the popular vote.
“Our model indicates that Governor Romney has a 77 percent likelihood of winning the popular vote,” said Berry.

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What helped Rmoney turn the corner? Was it his keenly insightful answer to the assault ban question? (Tell young people they should be married before having a baby, because married people never shoot anybody.) Or was it the “Hot Chicks Dig Ryan” buttons they’re handing out to young women at gotta-have-a-ticket campaign rallies on college campuses? Hmm…

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We finally get a real time poll result and the demographic experts on this board are predicting the results of future polls.

Surely they all watched the debate on their Etch-a-Sketch. Romney leads. Period. I also thought it was a win for Obama, but apparently the voters dont agree.

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The best description I have seen regarding undecided voters and how they might vote was this example. Say you and your wife have been married for three and a half years and you ask her if she will stay married to you and she says, I don’t know, I am undecided. Think about it.

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Well, no, the votersdon’t agree

I’m sure it was the keyboard’s fault.

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CROWLEY INTERRUPTS ROMNEY 28 TIMES, OBAMA JUST 9
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/17/Crowley-interrupts-28-times-Romney

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The best description I have seen regarding undecided voters and how they might vote was this example.

Well, you’re pushing the bar higher for “stupidest comment today” at least.

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It doesn’t matter. History will see a black president in america only seven score and four years after the civil war. That it’s only for one term seems appropriate. In a generation, a hispanic female will probably be president, and then shortly after that a Cheyenne Indian will be president, (but for only 48 moons).

So what?

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stands for dB’s – Dead cat bounce?

uh hmmm – did you open the box?

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MR: Democrats are in full panic mode as the below article proves.

Good. I hope all those panicky Democrats get out and vote and take others to the polls.

VOTE OR DIE.

We have to make the choice and we need to take action. If Mitt Abdominal Romney gets in; then Democrats are to blame for allowing another war hawking republican to get to the adult table.

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Look at the cross tabs of the Gallup poll and it is not nearly as good for Republicans as it seems.

East 52 48 O+4
Midwest 52 48 O+4
South 39 61 R+22
West 53 47 O+6

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uh hmmm – did you open the box?

Don’t we all get sucked into a black hole if that happens? Or am I thinking of an episode of the Outer Limits?

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Mighty Righty@2:26

One problem, the election is not based on popular vote.

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Ohio, Florida, Va only matters, these states have people who look what this President has done by saving this country from collaps, sorry Georgia conservatives hateful people, you will always be a none factor in everthing, and last in every thing, because your history of racist, bigtory over shadows anything you do.

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Anyone care to explain how one (namely Obama) can know the attack on the consulate was a terrorist act the day following but then contend for two weeks it was the result of a “spontaneous” reaction to a film? I am all ears.

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“One problem, the election is not based on popular vote”

I would say that it is based on the popular vote…but it’s not reliant on it.

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What helped Rmoney turn the corner?

Probably because, like I said before, not everyone’s voice is heard during these “polls”.

the only one that counts is the one at the voting booth.

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Dog-

Correct. Your word was a better choice.

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http://freebeacon.com/april-15-payday/

Okay, libs, go on attack.

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Doggone/GA – good distinction. What’s it been, twice, that the popular vote leader didn’t win the presidency?

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Does the Poll take in two account Obama has open up a 30 point lead among Latinos?, after showing how much he care about women rights, I am sure Obama will have more women on his side.

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The Demwits right about now are grabbing every Illegal Alien and Dead Body they can find to steal the election for Obama.

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As noted, national is one thing, state by state is another, city and precinct another. It’s the lower levels where the candidates are focusing.

USMC

“The next debate is on Foreign Policy and between now and then the BENGHAZI issue will grow and grow and be tee’d up for Romney at the next debate. It plays right into Romney’s Dog Dish.”

Rather sad that of four years events, Benghazi is the best Republicans can come up with to make an issue of. Especially given Nordstrom’s testimony yesterday to Rep Issa that even if they’d gotten every bit of security assistance requested, it would not have prevented the outcome.

Scout

“There are no terrorists in Libya. Jay said so.”

There’s a three-letter word that describes that assertion. Your only way out is to plead ignorance. On that, we’d believe you.

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Anyone who thinks this race is over one way or another should put away their bong pipes and quit sniffing glue and try to get a reality check.

what’s a bong pipe?….maybe a hukka?

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Mitt Romney= Captain of Industry Outsourcing………

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What will Romney’s re-hash of the Bush policies get us the second time around?

The Bush policies gave us unemployment on average of less than 6%, gasoline prices of less than $2.00 a gallon and 5 million more people working than Obama’s policies have. In addition, the Bush policies resulted in millions fewer on food stamps and welefare. His policies also resulted in real family income of $4500 per family more, fewer jobs sent over seas, and 5 trillion dollars in less debt. Yea, I would love to return to the Bush policies and years. I bet Obama wished he could run on those numbers.

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“Rather sad that of four years events, Benghazi is the best Republicans can come up with to make an issue of. Especially given Nordstrom’s testimony yesterday to Rep Issa that even if they’d gotten every bit of security assistance requested, it would not have prevented the outcome.”

You can whine about it all you want Paul, but more intelligent people realize the significance of the Obama Administration’s LIE about Benghazi.

Obama doesn’t get Affirmative Action or some sort of Hall Pass when the AMBASSADOR is killed.
He blamed a YOUTUBE video. He either LIED or is INEPT… or both. No way around it.

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Imagine…………………………………………………Mitt Romney with THE Secret Kill list and the Indefinite Detention powers of the NDAA…
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Thanks a pant-load………………………Obama-Bots.

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Towncrier

“Do you mind sharing your evidence that this is the only foreign policy “issue” Republicans have spoken out about?”

I never said it is the only foreign policy issue of which Republicans have spoken.

I was referring to USMC’s “The next debate is on Foreign Policy and between now and then the BENGHAZI issue will grow and grow and be tee’d up for Romney at the next debate.”

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USMC is the classic blogger who watched the debates and saw what he saw through his “predisposed views” colored glasses.
If Romney would actually say what he would do to close loopholes for tax deductions for the middle class, I might listen to his plan. The “put it into a bucket” stuff that he threw out last night was just dumb. Middle class does not need to lose the mortgage deduction, education credits or charitable contribution deduction.

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mighty

You definitely know whats in the bong pipe cuz you are about the only one who wants a repeat of the bush economy that led to ? Yes, if it was so great why don’t your fellow conned rally around junior and prop him up as the gold standard? You know the answer – epic fail…

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“What’s it been, twice, that the popular vote leader didn’t win the presidency?”

Two or three, I think…not many – however many it was

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ROFL. I’ll take that as a no – you can’t explain it.

It’s been explained ad naseum, yet you still insist on hearing it. Listen if I put it on a CD so that you can play, will you be happy then?

Paul: Especially given Nordstrom’s testimony yesterday to Rep Issa that even if they’d gotten every bit of security assistance requested, it would not have prevented the outcome.

Hiya Paul!! True – but that doesn’t matter to some, they want any and everything to make Obama look bad. I think getalife or maybe josef, said recently that between the GOP and the BinLaden supporters, one can’t tell who wants Obama out more.

stands @ 2:49 – Why bother? They’re going to pretend NOT to believe you or the article, or the fact that snow is cold and rain is wet, or whatever they choose to ignore on a Wednesday; so you should just save your breath.

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usmc

Too late, I’m 6′2″ you really, really want obama to go down but the 47 percenters are not in a forgiving mood…

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Maybe if the President didn’t lie and have Moderator help he would be as impotant in debate #2 as he was in Debate #1. Oh, well in the real show down Nov 6 he will lose and that’s all that counts. Tyranny ended

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“I was referring to USMC’s “The next debate is on Foreign Policy and between now and then the BENGHAZI issue will grow and grow and be tee’d up for Romney at the next debate.””–PAUL

Paul misses the point AGAIN.
All of the networks: CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc. etc. etc. are talking about the BENGHAZI comment from the debate; not only Republicans.

And now Candy Crowley’s HUGE blunder of coming to Obama’s aid in the debate is highlighting Benghazi…. And by the way, America still has not heard the truth on Benghazi from the Obama Administration.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but would not Obama be considered as falling within the top 1% of the country in terms of personal wealth?

Romney earned his wealth through 25 years in the private sector.

How did Obama earn his millions in net worth? The pay of Community Organizers, State office, one term in the US Senate and 4 years in the White House doesn’t reward someone a value of $12-15 million.

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“I was referring to USMC’s “The next debate is on Foreign Policy and between now and then the BENGHAZI issue will grow and grow and be tee’d up for Romney at the next debate.”

Fair enough. Benghazi would not be that much of an issue save for the undeniable fact that both Obama and his administration for two weeks after the event blamed it on the angry response to a anti-Muslim film while knowing (according to the POTUS last night) it was likely a terrorist attack. That engenders suspicion, don’t you know?

Another potentially big issue is Syria. I have now seen numerous reports that there is widespread resentment among the rebels that westerners (read the US) haven’t supported them in their war (as we did in Libya) and THAT is why there at this time so many terrorist groups there. The ME is becoming a veritable powder keg.

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anon1

“The “put it into a bucket” stuff that he threw out last night was just dumb. Middle class does not need to lose the mortgage deduction, education credits or charitable contribution deduction.”

I understood that to mean, rather than specifying what deductions a household can or cannot take, that he would set a limit, say $25,000, and say ‘pick whatever deductions for which you qualify, but the most you can deduct is $25,000.

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what is this Obama phone that Republicans keep talking about? Is it an iPhone 5 or something?

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gadem – let her tell you

http://nation.foxnews.com/tea-party/2012/10/15/tea-party-drops-hardcore-ad-starring-obama-phone-lady

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“stands @ 2:49 – Why bother? They’re going to pretend NOT to believe you or the article, or the fact that snow is cold and rain is wet, or whatever they choose to ignore on a Wednesday; so you should just save your breath.”

Umm…it wasn’t an “article”

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Doggone/Keep Obama
George W. Bush was the 4th President who lost the popular vote. The previous 3 were Benjamin Harrison in 1888, Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876, and John Quincy Adams in 1824. The popular vote winners were Al Gore, Samuel J. Tilden, Grover Cleveland, and Andrew Jackson, respectively.
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/uspresidents/f/pres_unpopular.htm

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Hi DDR!!!

“True – but that doesn’t matter to some, they want any and everything to make Obama look bad. ”

That’s what it all boils down to, isn’t it? As a result, they fixate on minor issues, ignore major issues, get all tied up with their outrage and generally provide fine entertainment.

USMC

““I was referring to USMC’s “The next debate is on Foreign Policy and between now and then the BENGHAZI issue will grow and grow and be tee’d up for Romney at the next debate.””–PAUL

Paul misses the point ”

Well, given you’ve pretty much indicated you don’t mean what you say in your first post, but have to have two or three or more posts to read the responses and modify your first post…..

still waiting on you to tell us all what the lie was and enlighten us with those military-learned assessment skills -

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92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.

33 killed at American embassies under Bush.

4 killed at American embassies under Obama.

President Obama is right. He has the BEST record of defending our embassies

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Wow! Jay is looking to the Rasmussen poll numbers for hope. And here I thought the Rasmussen numbers were always out of whack and favored Republicans.

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Umm…it wasn’t an “article”

It was a comment, with a link to a MM piece that, among other things, documents what Fox and Fiends has been crying about of late.

but mostly it was to get across the point that, basically, wingers are angry that Obama didn’t say “mother may I,” or something along those lines.

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“If what appears to be true is the case, he is locked into a bad position.”

And that is the thing I REALLY don’t get. Why say the attack was caused by a film when the prudent and honest thing to do is just say “We think it may have been a terrorist attack but we are still getting intelligence reports” (or some such thing)? Why do it?

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Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

And the first ambassador to be assassinated since 1979. Yep, the BEST record since…….Jimmy Carter.

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weetamoe, that was Romney 1.0.

This is Romney 6.44.1011.73.

He’s the AOL candidate! A total POS but millions of people like him anyway!

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How can Obama only have 45%??? Romney has conceded 47% already.

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Towncrier

“Fair enough.”

Uh-oh…. USMC’s gonna unload on you for missing the point, again….

The point I was making was that Benghazi is the issue because it’s the last thing that happened. So it’s like Republicans say ‘There! Shiny object!!! Get it!!!!” when in reality they’ve just run past far shinier objects that would make their point on foreign policy weaknesses, much better.

What USMC and others don’t seem to grasp is, by their reckoning, Republicans are locked into discussing whatever the media determines is the story. They don’t demonstrate real leadership by saying ‘look, this was an unfortunate situation, but other issues are far weightier. Let’s take a minute and discuss some.”

What’s really ironic is given all the diatribes USMC and others on the Right have over the ‘liberal media’ that with his post of “All of the networks: CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc. etc. etc. are talking about the BENGHAZI comment from the debate; not only Republicans” he demonstrates that Republicans get yanked and led by whatever the liberal media decides is the important issue to focus on.

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“And the first ambassador to be assassinated since 1979. Yep, the BEST record since…….Jimmy Carter.”

If only Obama had been so lucky to have passenger jets slam into the Pentagon and World Trade Center killing 4,000 instead, Obama would be a shoe-in for re-election like Bush.

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“It was a comment, with a link to a MM piece that, among other things, documents what Fox and Fiends has been crying about of late.”

The linked MM piece does next to nothing to substantiate its claim there there is “no contradiction” between calling the attack a terrorist act and “mentioning” the film. Obama and Rice did not merely “mention” the film – they made it the primary cause of the attack for 2 weeks.

“…but mostly it was to get across the point that, basically, wingers are angry that Obama didn’t say “mother may I,” or something along those lines.”

When you get a truly plausible explanation for the apparent lie, let us all know. Otherwise, the sand is over there…

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Cheesy @3:17

how many jobs did Romney ship to China, how many Americans did he lay-off and how many jobs did he save and or create?

you obviously know the answer or are you making baseless claims

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PS…Crowley had a copy of Obama’s Rose Garden transcript so that she could drop the supposed “zinger” that Obama had uttered the word “terror” on the day after the attack. Can you say “prearranged setup so that Obama could say that he did utter the word “terror”. Wonder how she knew she needed to be his teleprompter. Doesn’t really matter though…..the administration’s official position was for 15 days (go to the videotape to confirm) that the attack was caused by the film. Either they lied or are incompetent or perhaps both. Gotta love the Dems. Now let’s all say together now…”our green initiatives are a huge success” Oh I forgot, the battery maker just declared bankruptcy. Just another $250million of the taxpayers money down the drain. Obama doesn’t know how to pick a winner….only losers. November 7th will be such a great day!!!!

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I’m not sure why I would be convinced that the attacks and the protests were definitively mutually exclusive. Bottom line: millions of Middle-Easterners hate us, largely because of our long-standing policies of sticking our noses into their beeswax, and our boots on their sacred sands.

I think anyone who volunteers for the diplomatic corps and supporting functions knows the risks inherent to deploying to places like Benghazi. I don’t think any of them expect to be as safe as they would be in a suburban movie theater after standing in lines to pay absurd amounts of money for extremely violent “entertainment” and over-priced, trans-fat-laden heat-popped genetically-modified corn products and HFCS-based sodas to wash it all down with. Oh wait…. maybe they are safer over there. Never mind.

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Pass the Cheesy Grits Please – Wrong

Most sites estimate the Obamas are worth $11.7 million.

In 2007 thee Obamas were worth about $1.7 million. He has profited handsomely during the end of the Bush administration and his first term as POTUS. He’s quite a capitalist and now qualifies in the nation’s top 1% in wealth.

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the real point is that when Romney was MA governor more than half of his cabinet was women

Sadly, no.

http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx

I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn’t care about — and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about — budget, business development, etc. — went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

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DannyX

9/11 didn’t happen in an election year but I think you knew that.

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Well that sucks! I was kinda hoping for Obama being re-elected. I figure it would be better to let him just go ahead and ruin things for another 4 years until the lesson becomes self evident to even the farthest left kooks that liberalism does not work. After 8 years of economic disaster and financial bankruptcy even they wouldn’t be able to keep playing the blame W card. Plus its always amusing to watch a complete incompetent at work- kinda like the keystone cops. Go Barry Go!

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“Because there were numerous protests over the film in a number of other countries that day. So the analysts first call was that it was also related to the film and that’s what the politicians repeated… even if later it turned out to be wrong.”

Not for two weeks. And not after you have said it was a terrorist act. Mob violence is NOT terrorism.

“So here’s the counter question: should they have ignored the analysts like Cheney would have done?”

As Cheney would have done? What exactly is your point here? I want to see these alleged intelligence reports (as probably do a whole lot of people).

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How did Obama earn his millions in net worth?

From taking kickbacks from Haliburton when he awarded them a no-bid contract for Afghanistan/Iraq.

Oh wait! that was Cheney!!

My bad.

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Yep, Mitts love him some binders of wimmens.

This is all a precursor to selecting Newt “Serial Adulterer” Gingrich and Herman “Serial Groper” Cain as his front men to find qualified wimmens to be on the Rush Limbaugh show…

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the one thing you can gurantee.

The dumebr and lower the level of eduction.

The redder the state.

Obama still has a nice lead in electoral college.

If he wins Ohio its game set match.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

Look at this map.

All the red states. Very low education levels.

The blue states. High levels of College Graduates.

Coincidence. No.

You can see it played out on these pages most everyday.

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I am so glad our wonderful president told us that we have gotten back all the TARP money he gave to the unions, oh wait I think we are 46 billion short, but don’t worry he said it, it must be true right? I can’t wait to buy my solar panels from Colorado, oooppps they went bankrupt on another 140 million of taxpayer money. But that’s OK, we can buy them from China since the president has a plan B, fund China to build them, thank God he is soooo smart, right, just look at his transcripts…. Oooppss can’t find them… no matter he would not lie to us just ask the Lybian ambassador… Right?

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Good one frog!

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Well that sucks! I was kinda hoping for Obama being re-elected. I figure it would be better to let him just go ahead and ruin things for another 4 years until the lesson becomes self evident to even the farthest left kooks that liberalism does not work. After 8 years of economic disaster and financial bankruptcy even they wouldn’t be able to keep playing the blame W card. Plus its always amusing to watch a complete incompetent at work- kinda like the keystone cops. Go Barry Go!

Thanks for getting on board Thulsa.

I knew you would come around.

And yes it will take more than 4 years to recover from the 8 year disaster that was Bush.

And no we aren’t going back to Bush 2.0 ( Romney )

Good for you. The fog has lifted.

Obama still has comfortable lead. If he wins Ohio Romney is toast.

No way he can win. Welcome to the winning side.

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“Most sites estimate the Obamas are worth $11.7 million…In 2007 thee Obamas were worth about $1.7 million.”

Well…I’ll be. Imagine that. He must have some really good offshore investments

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“Yep, Mitts love him some binders of wimmens.”

Lol, Republicans around here will tell you Mitt knocked it out of the park with that blunder.

Political blinders for blunders.

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Please
October 17th, 2012
3:33 pm

the one thing you can
gurantee.

The dumebr and lower the
level of eduction.

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Do I get to pull the “skewed” card?

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JamVet, do you believe that, or are you the water boy? Check your facts…

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“It’s over Jay… I know you fruits on the left in the media want this to be tight but it ain’t happening. The people have awaken and see what a failure he is…..”–Joseph

Don’t count Comrade Obama out just yet….. He still has the votes of all ILLEGAL ALIENS and DEAD PEOPLE!

It’s not over yet, but it sure isn’t the “Obama Landslide” that JAY BOOKMAN and other Leftwing Operatives were touting.

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Go ahead obimeat, show me where unions got TARP money. (And put a bandage on that thick noggin of yours!)

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There’s an awful lot of whistling past the graveyard here. Anything can still happen. The Romany Lady still ain’t laying odds.

getalife
It seems like that attack on the school girl may have tipped the balance in Pakistan. Popular sentiment is outraged and the right wing and mainstream fundamentalists are scurrying now to make a public condemnation, but it could well be a day late and a dollar short.

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Obama did better than his first debate in which he pretty much played the role of President Prozac. A better debate performance will not solve his core problems.
1. His record is abysmal. People are hurting and his policies are the reason.
2 He no longer offers any hope of relieving the partisan wars in Washington, especially since he has been it’s strongest proponent. Obama is left running as a old style, hard core liberal…not that attractive.
3.Obama does not seem to actually like or care about people. Nearly four years in and Obama is still detached and aloof. Now it seems that he is not telling the truth either. We don’t like liars.
4. He spent hundreds of millions of dollars assaulting Mitt Romney. When people got to actually see him in the debate with less media filter and absent the lefty spin, they realized that they had been lied to by Obama and his allies and that Mitt is a reasonable guy with some good ideas.

Don’t get too hopeful about the next couple of weeks.

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I disagree, Paul. I think people are upset by what appears to be a needless lie and what motivation could underlie such puzzling behavior.

Unless you were privy to the intel, which 99% of the ones crying foul AREN’T, then how would you know what was puzzling and what wasn’t?

I think you’re just spouting off crap you heard Boottz say — I’ve yet to see you write down an original thought or opinion.
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Seen on a blog: If Romney wins, get ready for the Hunger Games in real time. We’ll have the 1% making the 99% fight to the death for food and medicine.

We can call it Romney/Ryan Games and get to watch our children kill each other for entertainment.

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“President Obama argued that Mitt Romney would oppose equal pay for women and block access to birth control, but Mr. Romney sought to defend his policies as better for women.”NYT.

The numbers change to our President.

He crushed mitt romney like Biden did to ryan.

The numbers will correct.

Vote.

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JamVet he didn’t say UNIONS he said UNICORNS!!

Get your story straight Jam! You LIBER-ALLLLL!!!

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People are hurting and the policies of the past five administrations are the reason.

But that just doesn’t sound as juicy does it, Wilbur?

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“Excellent point. It’s usually a trap to respond to “here’s A and here’s B. Pick one” by picking one. It can be much more correct, as you pointed out to pick A AND B.”

Except that, again, mob violence is NOT terrorism. Hence the statements from the Obama administration like these:

“We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.”

– Susan Rice, on CBS’ “Face the Nation” Sept. 16th.

“Our belief based on the information we have is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped – that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere. What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation.”

- Jay Carney on September 18th.

You cannot have it both ways. Obama last night wanted to claim he called the attack a terrorist act the day after. That is the problem.

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DDR, the kid is a train wreck. (He must be a Romney fan!)

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So much concern by the “American people” over an alleged “lie” of the administration (still without real evidence) but no concern over the proven lies of Mitt and Ryan…..

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crier is still supporting the terrorists.

It does not get any worse than that crier.

Unpatriotic and unAmerican.

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“And yes it will take more than 4 years to recover from the 8 year disaster that was Bush.”

Just like I told you. Pass the cheesy grits has already got his lame ass blame W excuse ready for the next 4 years- by his own admission.

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Towncrier,

As DDR already pointed out, your squawking indicates that YOU are not personally privy to the intel on the Benghazi matter, and that you have a sense of entitlement to that information that reaches beyond your reality. On the other hand, it’s possible that you’re squawking about “lies” because you DO have clearance for the intel in question; in which case, you’re a traitor for discussing it on a blog with unknown civilians and/or enemy spies.

Which is it?

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Erwins Cat, 3:51,

It looks like Bozo will get a chance to “save” Government Motors again. If it’s stock falls any further, we are looking at one of the biggest disasters that the auto industry has ever seen. Stock at 20 dollars and change. Government owns 500.000.000 shares. Needs to get to 53 to break even with the taxpayer. Market share is down, Chevy Volt a colossal failure….. Bozo sure don’t belong in the car business. Or in the Solar Energy business as well.

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what facts? I read your link — it referenced more links that were not germaine to the original post or concept — i guess the writer was hoping no one would link to it and figure that part out.

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but no concern over the proven lies of Mitt and Ryan…..

Thats because they’re not really seeking “truth”. What they’re seeking is anything that can make Obama look bad.

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(He must be a Romney fan!)

More than likely — he ran away like a coward, from the “facts” when you asked for proof.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyW1p7SpYW8

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“Just like I told you. Pass the cheesy grits has already got his lame ass blame W excuse ready for the next 4 years- by his own admission.”–TD

Even Liberals, not counting the Wingnuts on Jay’s blog, are getting tired of the blame GEORGE BUSH “excuse”. Obama has NO plan and it’s obvious. Even Obama knows it.

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If you refuse to unite to show patriotism and play politics instead on the Libya attack you are a terrorist sympathizer.

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Towncrier

I believe Matti’s point, and the point to which I was responding, was that there were people at the compound incensed by the video and there were people at the compound as part of a planned, coordinated attack. They can both occur at the same time (A and B).

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“I have never believed that Mitt Romney was in Obama’s league.”

I suspect, in your mind, no one is (except possibly for Klugman).

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Scout

What’s your point with the 4:02?

JamVet

Travel safe, friend -

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Matti,

You should be a little more careful in your sweeping judgements about who and what people get involved in and how they get involved to help others. I’ve never gotten onto school boards(I have no kids), or advocated down at state govt as you have. But I’ve done and continue to do a lot of things that I choose not to brag about that you don’t know about. I’ve got a good number of medicaid custrs that I do plenty for – whether it be talking to someone on their behalf, giving them a ride to an appt when no one else will, or making calls on their behalf to social service agencies. I have some elderly people no one seems to care much about that I stop by to see for 15-30 minutes here and there when I’m nearby. Why? Just to give them someone to talk as several of them are poor, alone, and just plain lonely. May not seem like much to you but it means a hell of a lot to them. I do stuff that I don’t get paid for and which is time consuming but which I do just to help people. And if you knew the area of town where I have a lot of clients my name is a household name amongst the hearing impaired community. Why? Because I take the extra time and effort to get involved and help those people. So please tone down the tone about who helps and does volunteer work and such. I do plenty as I know you do. I just don’t see the need to ask for public props for the things I do. But the various people that I help out in many little ways? They know.

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ME – I have never believed that Mitt Romney was in Obama’s league.”

neither have I…Mitt’s in the big leagues

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EC

That is my prediction as well.

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“neither have I…Mitt’s in the big leagues”

Mitt being the Cleveland Browns while Obama being the Alabama Crimson Tide…Obama still wins.

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The Quinnipiac polling is suspect (as has been repeatedly claimed):

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/09/26/quinnipiac-pollster-admits-probably-unlikely-electorate-will-feat

If so, your conclusions may well be invalid even at this moment.

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Assuming a republican capture of senate and presidency, the recession will end in approx 6 months. Repeal of ObamaCare will eliminate an unbudgetable cost precluding employers from hiring, and elimination of Dodd-Frank will ease the looming regulatory constraint. Averting – permanently – the “largest tax increase in the history of the world” will provide a great stimulus for the private economy. Add to that policies friendly to energy development (esp coal, nuclear, shale, and oil) and all will hum again nicely, except for those who would constrain our lives.

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josef.

It takes one person to spark change and it took one girl to change Pakistan.

I think our President will call her the hero.

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“If so, your conclusions may well be invalid even at this moment.”

Sorry. My post @4:15 was directed at JHM.

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getalife

If the Nobel Committee is worth a grain of salt, she had better be it for next year…

“and a child shall lead them”
–Isaiah, 11-6

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W left behind the biggest cesspool in this republic since Herbert Hoover.

But apparently to Republican noses it was liquid myrrh…

When I was 15 and first heard this stuff, I knew it was true then. Still do…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH1DGcD1sro

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Towncrier — “The Quinnipiac polling is suspect (as has been repeatedly claimed)”

I’ve asked you before to explain what the problem is, and the best explanation you’ve been able to summon is that there’s some demographic distribution problem with the polling because more Democrats were in the sample population than Republicans.

So, are you as concerned about the gender distribution of the sample population? How about the household income distribution of the sample population? The educational level of the sample population?

The fact of the matter is that a *properly randomized* sample population will yield polling results that are within a mathematically predictable distance from the actual, ‘true’ figure. That’s what the Margin of Error tells you — how close the survey results are to the *actual* figure.

All this brouhaha over the demographic distributions in the survey population is simply noise. Mr. Sheffield, the author of the piece you linked us to, is quite simply *presuming* that demographic distribution MUST have an effect on the poll results. FWIW, IMO it’s the latest conservative iteration of ‘if the poll results favor the Democrat then they’re obviously incorrect’ meme.

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K71 — “We haven’t given up the possible chance of taking PA or MI as well. Either one of these plus, VA, NC, OH, FL and NH would push Romney way over the top.”

If you say so. I prefer to be in the position of *already* being over the top and simply having to play defense, or, better yet, snaking some of Romney’s recently-won states back away from him.

“You might think that is wishful thinking but this country is turning around and waking up.”

FWIW, I don’t think that either of us are in a position to be able to speak for what the entire country thinks.

“Any of the states that are “leaning” toward any candidate can go a different way than the polls predict.”

Including the ones in Romney’s column right now.

“In the next two weeks, if Romney’s poll numbers continue to improve, this is a horse race”

I don’t think they will. The major polls won’t start showing results from last night’s debate until the weekend or even early next week (it takes a while to construct, conduct and crunch the numbers for a poll, so they lag a bit), and by then, the third and final debate will be upon us. IMO, Romney’s just about out of chances at this point.

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kay,

What are you supposed to do?

What did you do after 9/11?

Did you play politics and attack w?

Stupid question unless you are not American.

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JamVet

If you’re going past Omaha at dinnertime, try
Dixie Quicks
157 West Broadway, Council Bluffs IA

their Texas Chili Pepper Steak is great.

Not far from there, breakfast at
Amato’s
6405 Center Street, Omaha NE

Ricotta-berry pancakes. Really good. With a side of homemade Italian sausage that’s a meal in and of itself.

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Obama Says “When I Was President” At Debate….
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/17/obama_says_when_i_was_president_at_debate.html

What a BUFFOON!

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“I’ve asked you before to explain what the problem is, and the best explanation you’ve been able to summon is that there’s some demographic distribution problem with the polling because more Democrats were in the sample population than Republicans.”

False. I have indicated other potential problems with polling created by rapidly evolving technology and calling lists used by polling organizations. This is but one problem.

“All this brouhaha over the demographic distributions in the survey population is simply noise.”

That is what you apparently wish to believe. Bad data leads to bad statistical conclusions.

“FWIW, IMO it’s the latest conservative iteration of ‘if the poll results favor the Democrat then they’re obviously incorrect’ meme.”

Well…you don’t see me posting poll results much – even when (lately) they have “favored” Romney. I think polls are becoming increasingly unreliable.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUnXygYSoxA&feature=related

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BEYOND

Why?

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USMC, 4:34,

It was good to see the steam spout out of those dumbo ears of his. The more he loses his “cool”, the more the arrogant narcissist comes forth. I don’t see how he has made through these first two debates without losing it more than he has.

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Yes, get back to just slinging drudgey poo instead of playing politics with the Libya attack.

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Postal Service Hits Borrowing Cap for First Time
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443675404578060850778951388.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

Trickle Down Government Does NOT work.

Thatcher about socialists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-cgsQXKUvA

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“Those two economists at the Univ of Denver that have predicted correctly every national presidential election since 1980 predict that Romney will get 320 electoral votes to Bozo’s 218. They haven’t been wrong in 33 years.”

They were just lucky 8 times in a row

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“I’d take that bet…even the best college program can’t compete in the worst of the bigs…kids vs men”

Alabama’s different. The CFB rankings should be:

1. Alabama 1st String
2. Alabama 2nd String
3. Alabama 3rd String
4. Oregon
5. Florida

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oh…and as far as polls go

Pats by 3

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I have question-Why would any Jewish person in
America vote for Obama? I have Jewish friends in
the business world that dislike him and will vote
republican for the 1st time. Obama will not protect
Israel and they are very scared of
a 2nd term for this dude… New York/New Jersy may
be closer then usual this time around which know one
in the media seems to have any interest in and assumes
an easy win for the incubent….

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Thanks, guys and gals.

Going home is almost a guaranteed way to gain a few pounds. I can smell the ribs and steaks and burgers now!

And seeing that football cathedral in Lincoln is one helluva powerful, even emotional experience for any Husker fan, near or far.

GO BIG RED!

(In the deed, the glory)

In honor of the five time champions, the song that they use to enter the stadium with on fall afternoons…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVPRLUNtY-k

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“It is laughable to see people try to cite that nonsense while those same people brush aside far more sophisticated, far more complex, far more subtle and yes, far more accurate computer models of the climate.”

So, Jay, how do you integrate the fact that global warming has stopped over the past 16 years into your “theory”? Is that like “catastrophic evolution”?

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Towncrier — “False. I have indicated other potential problems with polling created by rapidly evolving technology and calling lists used by polling organizations. This is but one problem.”

You’ve cited that as a *potential* problem, but I don’t believe you’ve actually substantiated any real-world instances of that issue with respect to any of the major polling outfits.

“All this brouhaha over the demographic distributions in the survey population is simply noise.”

“That is what you apparently wish to believe. Bad data leads to bad statistical conclusions.”

Perhaps you will oblige me by presenting some hard evidence of a major pollster actually using “bad data,” then?

“Well…you don’t see me posting poll results much – even when (lately) they have “favored” Romney. I think polls are becoming increasingly unreliable.”

I’ve said this before, and I’m not sure you’ve ever seen me mention it, so I’ll say it again. I don’t *personally* repose any trust in a political poll with a Margin of Error greater than +/-3.0%. If the MOE is +/-3.1%, I’m not interested. That’s why I prefer poll aggregators like Nate Silver and Electoral-Vote.com; even though the polls they use often have MOEs somewhat in excess of 3.0, the fact that they aggregate and track over time means that outlier effects are muted and that statistical noise gets muted, too. Over time, you can see a trendline start to form, and if you put that trendline up against a trendline for a pollster who’s got *better* MOEs, you can see that they track fairly closely with each other. In short, aggregating the run-of-the-mill polls will give you a close approximation of *more accurate* poll results.

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Alabama’s different. The CFB rankings should be:

it doesn’t matter, it still no contest for a pro team…even if Saban is coaching them up

Seriously, the difference between “leagues” is enormous there are 704 starting positions in the NFL…24-25 or 3% of those are rookies, not to mention they are top rookies nationwide not just Bama

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I have not seen the picture of mitt when he whined “wha”t do Candy but this is the moment after she said our President did call it a terror attack.

http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/movieimages/2012/10/25796.jpg?key=1350444509

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K71 — “Those two economists at the Univ of Denver that have predicted correctly every national presidential election since 1980 predict that Romney will get 320 electoral votes to Bozo’s 218. They haven’t been wrong in 33 years.”

I say again, DON’T go to Vegas!

Hey, I’ve drawn eight straight winning hands at this Blackjack table. That means my next hand is GUARANTEED to be a winner!

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Jay -…far more sophisticated, far more complex, far more subtle and yes, far more accurate computer models of the climate.

Burt Rutan is laughable?….. “far more accurate computer models of the climate”…now that’s laughable

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Jam

I have been laying down some killer Skynyrd cuts for you…….

Hope you have been jamming

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“More utter nonsense. The recession was over in June 2009, and we have experienced 31 consecutive months of job growth.”

Facts don’t matter but they could make a come back one.

Keep trying.

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“Perhaps you will oblige me by presenting some hard evidence of a major pollster actually using “bad data,” then?”

Sure…they are confessing to it left and right, their livelihood be damned. I think one interesting thing to look at will be the final polls or those just before the election. It will be interesting to see if Quinnipiac (for instance) over samples Democrats then. If they do – and they are really wrong – then there will be your evidence.

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…or do you mean flipping burgers type job growth?

The minimum wage jobs that pay less now in 1968 dollars than they did in 1968, O12?

We should all be so proud of our corporate overlords, huh?

BOTH, oh hell to the yeah.

Cranking that 4:50 right now.

That debut LP was one of the greatest ever…

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“or those who like things free..”

They want jobs con.

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Towncrier — “Sure…they are confessing to it left and right, their livelihood be damned.”

Once again, “hard evidence,” please. And what are these ‘confessions’ to which you refer?

“I think one interesting thing to look at will be the final polls or those just before the election. It will be interesting to see if Quinnipiac (for instance) over samples Democrats then.”

Same question I asked K71 — are you asserting that pollsters are *deliberately setting out* to oversample one or more demographic groups?

“If they do – and they are really wrong – then there will be your evidence.”

Logical fallacy. Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc.

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Coito, ergo sum.

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PREDICTION: getalife will disappear on Nov 7

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Adam has already disappeared.

The writing is on the wall/

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Romney’s economic policies = GW Bush’s economic policies. He may win, but you’d better hope you can get your money to the Caymans in a hurry. His claims of being able to balance the budget will not be achievable – at least if he’s telling the truth about wanting to increase military spending, not raise taxes and keep Medicare intact. Of course, quickly balancing the budget isn’t a real issue, since inflation remains low and there’s no crowding out of private borrowing. Where the real damage will be done is when he pays back his sponsors by getting rid of regulations on business that protect investors, employees and consumers. Romney will have the full blown depression that GWB started. If that sounds good to you, vote for him.

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ben,

I will be lurking.

jk,

I think she will stay in England.

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If Romney wins, the middle class will be lost for generations.

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“Of course, quickly balancing the budget isn’t a real issue, ”

I bet you were one of the people whose house was foreclosed, weren’t you?

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HIstorically if a challenger is tied or ahead going into the stretch you can expect independents to break 2-1 even 3-1 for the challenger. Obama can not defend his record of complete incompetence.

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You are 100% correct. No college team would beat an NFL 2nd string.

Not many of you are old enough to remember when there was an annual game featuring college all-stars and an NFL team. It was semi-competitive for a few years, but after a while the odds got so stacked in favor of the NFL team that the entire system was abandoned. Now the season-opening game features a pair of NFL teams playing one another in Canton, Ohio.

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getalife

Interesting thing about Malala, some of the older kids at school have been preparing get well cards for her…it was not an assignment, but THEIR automatic reaction…

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The cons are angry because they know they are going to lose.

Brain damage sux because you have a permanent headache that never goes away.

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“Global warming hasn’t stopped, Crier. That is, unless you take the word of a London tabloid over the decades of research conducted by the planet’s top climatologists.”

It has plateaued and we will see where it goes from here. I think it has mostly to do with the size of the “trend” (in years) you are plotting, Jay (please pay particular note to the 2nd millennium temperatures):

=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years

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I can see no reason for anyone to WANT Willard Mitt Romney to be president. From economics to health to freedom to human rights to foreign policy, no one, and that includes Romney, actually knows what he stands for. He has blatantly and without shame, flipflopped on every possible issue. If you are voting for him because all you desperately want is a Republican, ANY Republican …or a white person, ANY white person in office, that I get.

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getalife

October 17th, 2012
5:01 pm

No my delusional friend. The first debate was the excuse the polling agencies and the LMS made to stop using the bogus methodology and to start to portray a more accurate look at the election before election day. The LMS has been holding the water for Obama for his entire term in office and now that it appears he is going to lose they have to put on the perception that they are fait and balanced so that they can go after Romney when he is President and not have the American people totally turn them off and they lose their jobs.

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Romney could win, and four years from now, the economy will do exactly the same thing it would do if Obama had won. Globilization is unchartered territory and you may as well try to predict where lighting will strike four years from now.

Why doesn’t anyone understand that blogs and websights and their accompanying opinions exist only to sell “How to make money at home” or “Get my free book” spam? Nobody knows what to do to create growth. Not in this globalization.

Unchartered territory. Expect the unexpected. I think we are on the verge of a new golden age of growth and prosperity. The only thing that can stop this growth would be if all 7 billion people on the planet created their own websites trying to sell each other “How to make money at home” spam.

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josef,

Yes, it sparked reaction across the world especially with children.

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FWIW, reports say that 90 year old George McGovern is non-responsive in hospice care. I really didn’t care for his political platform, but he was one helluva gentleman and American.

My how politics have changed. Candidates now beat their chests if they served in the military. McGovern never played that card and he was a WWII hero. I remember reading where he flew in bombers and earned the distinguished flying cross (or whatever they call it).

Too bad politicians on both sides aren’t more of a true servant like McGovern.

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Our President will win the last debate.

I have no doubt.

Just like the old communistas were taught songs to sing about the revolution. Just like bad Christians whose religion is songs (or Muslims, whose religion is blowing things up) and nothing else. –getalife, he speaks so well for modern liberals…so well he probably isn’t even aware how prescient he is.

’nuff said.

Oh and getalife,

I look forward, I really look forward to voting and helping, with the intelligence of the nation and with the citizens of Georgia, to correcting the mistake that was electing Obama/Biden (grumpy/dopey) and bringing your whole doubts to full fruition in three weeks.

But hey, you’ll still have a great song to sing, if you want to keep humming the tune. ……” I have no doubt…..” do do doooo…..

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M. Righty — “Jay, we all know why you leftists abandoned the term “global warming” in favor of “climate change”

Right, because “climate change” is more descriptive of what the climate models actually predict.

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“Same question I asked K71 — are you asserting that pollsters are *deliberately setting out* to oversample one or more demographic groups?”

I would assert it as a clear possibility. They are paid by media organizations and a number of those organizations are indisputably biased. It wouldn’t be the first time people have done wrong things for money. Yet, strangely, most of the more “respectable” pollsters seem somehow to get close to accurate with their final polls. FWIW, IMO viewing polls as “snapshots” creates a lot of plausible deniability. I’m sorry, but the fact is that lots of people “cheat” in competitions. And they cheat in politics as well – as much as they can get away with.

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Jay I guess Candy lived up to her liberal cred’s last night as you knew she would. With her liberal bias in full display what she did do was expose why Americans don’t trust you or her or any other member of the “mainstream media”. The game was rigged against Romney from the start by Candy and company but Romney stood up to it with dignity and with intelligence. As for the imposter in chief, he just continued to do the only thing he knows to do which is to try to destroy his opponent not on substance but on ill defined accusations and innuendo. Obama has no record of success to run on. No, Obama didn’t win last night. He continues to lose and in three short weeks we will see
by how much. Obama did not have a plan, he did not have an excuse or even acknowledge that he had made any mistakes during his tenure. Besides liberals, your brethren out there are threatening to assassinate Romney if he is elected. Twitter is afire with these liberal morons whose main beef is that their food stamps will be gone if he is elected. I predict that if Romney wins there will be riots in the big cities and apparently the feds are afraid of this as well. If Obama wins, then life will go on. That tells you exactly about the kinds of people that support Obama and that support Romney. You liberals should be proud. Jay your own inability to criticize Obama places you squarely in the camp
of the typical Obama supporter.

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pogo,

Your whining just gets better and better.

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Paul:

“Scout

What’s your point with the 4:02?”

Just exposing Jay for his absurd definition of terrorism, since according to his definition the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center was terrorism but the attack on the Pentagon the same morning wasn’t since it was a “military target”.

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JamVet,

You and Mr. Bookman pretend that the conversation has changed –for legitimate reasons.

Now the ubiquitous claim is that “climate change” must be stopped. And hurrah, the liberals were toasting it’s demise upon the nomination of our current embarrassing president.

But if climate change is happening and it must be prevented, please answer the one simple question:

When has the planet’s climate ever NOT changed?

Go ahead, and if you want to duck behind some “more learned” “scientists” go ahead. Find some silly scientist that can answer this one and maybe we’ll start listening to you “warming” alarmists.

What you prove in your fecklessness to answer is that you yourselves know little or nothing about science, much less warming, change or how to make arguments concerning them.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGrzbxRaxs

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TBS: When they transfered that album to disk they cut off two songs……

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getalife

October 17th, 2012
5:26 pm

td,

They had mccain up by 10 then corrected right before the election.

Final Gallop poll in 2008:

Obama 55%
MaCain 44%

Final Results:

Obama 53%
McCain 46%

Gallops final poll gave the Dems a 2 point advantage as compared to the final outcome.

Try again

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Obamabarrassment

I’d say he’s waiting until the Prime Minister designee gets his new government lined up…

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Climate change is a job creator to try to stop it.

Stop fighting against jobs cons.

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Scout

It seems to me you’re misreading Jay’s introductory comments.

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“Since you get full blame for any Terrorist acts that are successful you must get full credit as well for those that are not.

Anything else would be hypocrisy.

Thank you for keeping me safe President Obama.”

Good point.

Thank you President Obama.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzU2iJ9qfXg

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“They will go to any lengths to not call it what it is.”

It is a creative dodge, you must admit.

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josef- That brain damage snipe speaks to something in your character I find imminently offensive

It sometimeshappens when you get shot in the head. I’m just saying that even if she doesn’t fully recover, I would still take her over obama.

I wonder if she plays golf? I will bet she has a better arm too.

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Towncrier

” It it CANNOT be conclusively proved that just because the earth has been undergoing a warming trend that such a thing never happened before or that it is now BECAUSE of CO2 emissions. ”

Is it your contention no amount of CO2 will have a deleterious effect on climate?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcceU3qyVzA

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My bologna has a first name, it’s Mighty…

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Enter your comments here

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josef,

Well said.

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iHowever, I fully understand that with that particular rabbit hole filled and capped, another will open any minute now ….

And water is wet.

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JKL

If you weren’t such a narrow minded snippy fool, and you really DID care about Malala and what she stands for, you’d be following her story and know that the prognosis is for a full recovery. You are just a disrespectful. You are not a good person, imeoiauo… good people don’t use a tragedy such as this involving a child to make light of…

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Shell also appears to be grateful for the lack of arctic sea ice. I’m sure they wish there were even less of it year round. Meanwhile, back on planet earth, Republicans have long since acknowledged their absolute ignorance in any field of science given their support of people like Broun that claim the earth is only 9000 years old.

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“You must REALLY hate women.”

“Binder full of women” is exploding on the Internet.

mitt has a women voter problem.

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Global warming? Climate change? The issue is Planet Formation. If you talk about planet formation, then you are talking about star formation, which necessarily creates planets. If you’re talking about star formation, then you’re talking about galaxy formation, which necessarily creates stars. If you’re talking about galaxy formation, then you are talking about black hole formation, which necessarily creates galaxies and about which we will never figure out.

So anyone who claims to know whether mankind is responsible for global cooling or global warming has a lot of imaginary data to present.

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But if climate change is happening and it must be prevented, please answer the one simple question:

IF it is happening???????????????

Where do you get your information? The Korean Central news Agency?

But just for grins, I’ll answer it, it is irrelevant.

Either that or you need to share your groundbreaking news to the climatological experts out there, who apparently have not even considered that question!!

Wake up and join the Age of Enlightenment

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getalife

October 17th, 2012
5:43 pm

td,

Look a month before the election and try reading what I said.

embarrassment,

aq is crushed, obl and daffy are dead, the ME are free.

You don’t know what you are talking about.

Which side are you on?

Gallup (Traditional)* 10/16 – 10/18 2590 LV 2.0 49 46 Obama +3
Gallup (Expanded)* 10/16 – 10/18 2277 LV 2.0 51 44 Obama +7

The data does not lie my delusional friend.

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And Jay, even Candy admitted (after the debate of course) that Romney was right on Obama’s statements about the Benghazi attacks. But you can’t bring yourself to admit anything, absolutely anything, that Obama has done wrong can you? Are you so scared of your editors that you can’t say what you plainly see before you? America is finally catching on to the liberal bias in the the old, established and outdated liberal media sources and we don’t believe anything they say anymore. The NYT’s and the Washington Post are basically irrelavent now as we all know they are in the tank for the liberal cause and that makes them as useless as a tabloid. So are CNN, NBC and CBS. They don’t investigate and report on the weaknesses of politicians. They only do these things on the politicans that don’t agree with their liberal ideology. The sad truth is that once you can’t trust the media because they have not done the job they are paid to do because of their political bias the American people have no recourse but to not trust anything you say. Drudge is becoming more and more successful everyday because of this. And what Drudge draws from are the articles and the things that you won’t see in the liberal press . That is what your bias has done to the industry you work in and you have done none of us (including yourself) any favours. We now have to depend upon an internet clearing house of information from all sources to form our opinions. Some of it is trash and some of it is real but, we all know that was is coming from the old media sources is liberally biased trash.

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Okay…I’m out. Goodnight all.

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The last time McCain led in a poll in 2008 was on 9/15 in 2008.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls

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“It is laughable to see people try to cite that nonsense while those same people brush aside far more sophisticated, far more complex, far more subtle and yes, far more accurate computer models of the climate.”

Now that is funny. Let me know when these computer models can accurately predict the weather one month from now- forget about 50 years. And let me know if you really think the many variables in all these models are going to be exactly as the scientists predict them to be 50 years from now. And last let me know just how good scientists are at predicting the sun’s weather patterns since it is after all the single biggest determinant of weather here on Earth.

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Towncrier

Thanks for the honest response. Let’s look at it a bit more indepth.

” But I couldn’t say for sure.”

Why not? Just do a bit of reading on greenhouse gasses. See what they do with thermal radiation. Just ask yourself ‘if a little absorbs a little radiation, what happens if we have a lot of greenhouse gasses?”

“And I certainly don’t know how much CO2 might have a deleterious effect if it did – not without isolating all of the factors.”

Again, do a bit of research. Seems to me you’re dismissing all the research that indicates that since the Industrial Revolution we’ve added to the naturally-occurring amount enough to measurably affect the system. Which means more thermal radiation is trapped. Which means there is a point at which we can measure the effects of that trapped radiation.

I think some people make this way more complicated than it is, so they can plead it’s too complicated, therefore has too many variables, therefore has too many potential holes, therefore it’s unreliable, therefore it’s false.

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Climate change is part of
God’s plan to keep his
covenant to not again
destroy the human race
by rain. Thus he put a
rainbow in the sky. The
arc of the covenant.
Our fault this time.

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josef – 5:17

The Jewish God will someday send the Messiah.

The Christian God has already sent the Messiah, Jesus.

The God of Islam sent his prophet,Muhammed.

They are NOT the same God.

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td

Why are you citing the RCP average when it fits your narrative (last time McCain led), but use a single poll (Gallup) when it fits your narrative?

That is called disingenuous to say the least but carry on…..

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Erwin’s Cat

Is your expertise in climatology greater than all the world’s leading experts?

If not, why do you persist in thinking you know more than they do?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtC7i4KMRgo&feature=related

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uhuh

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josef- If you weren’t such a narrow minded snippy fool, and you really DID care about Malala and what she stands for

1. I personally could care less.

2. obama and all his friends are on the side of the guys who shot her.

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JamVet

October 17th, 2012
6:00 pm

td, I’m working on my 1,000 word concession speech. (grin)

Hope you are too!

For my…

A very good friend of mined use to play with 38 Special. I got to meet them a couple years ago when my friends local band opened for them.

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Well thank you General Bookman for finally getting it straight !!!

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Indigo,

Can you elaborate more on the whole messiah/god thingy you posted?

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td, one of the more underrated southern bands.

And let’s face it, everyone needs a 20th century fox!

I got to meet these guys a couple of months back.

HUGE fun…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wawp5NNKOi0

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“1. I personally could care less.”

You couldn’t or could?

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BIG DADDY
@ 6:08

Okay…if you say so…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiiE-h9ZYag

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-Blacks Feel ‘Less Empowered’ Under Obama…

I thought hand outs were supposed to empower people?

Vote obama: I got fish. Who wants one?

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JAY

I think you are mixed up on the conspiracy’s format…Fox New, MSNBC and the like play subliminal music with hidden messages claiming the other side is the root of all evil..the masses breath it in and both parties end up with mantra that their guy is never wrong…

With 80 some odd polls out there, who the heck knows what’s right.

What is your prognostication relative to voter turnout?

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2, being a dick in public, only gets you so far in life!

(Jesus may love you, but the rest of us think you’re an assh*le.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mww_nDz-bz0

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td,

“In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both samples” USA Today.

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Now that is funny. Let me know when these computer models can accurately predict the weather a random individual’s death one month from now- forget about 50 years. And let me know if you really think the many variables in all these models are going to be exactly as the scientists predict them to be 50 years from now. And last let me know just how good scientists are at predicting the sun’s weather health advances and medical science death patterns…….

I guess the insurance companies will close their doors tomorrow since it is obvious they have no evidence or proof that what they predict works.

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jk,

A new low for you.

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josef @ 6:17

He did and well said

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Paul:

FYI, Bookman finally decided the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon was an act of terrorism.

It’s a start !

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jay- JKL, that is just truly sick

Don’t blame me. I’ve voted against obama on three different levels.

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JAY

Williams said that that scene was the best delivery ever done of any of his material…exactly what he had in mind…

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PAUL
@ 6:17

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JKL2

“Thanks! I guess I’ve been confused about pollution and greenhouse gases effecting our temperature. Good to know it has no effect”

You’re batting 1000. Congratulations.

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Josef,

At first I thought you were refering to Gilbert O’Sullivan’s song of the same name…Love that movie as well…Cool Hand Luke one of my absolute favs..

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Scout

“Bookman finally decided the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon was an act of terrorism.”

Finally?!!?

When has he ever held otherwise?

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JAMVET,

On another musical note, Led Zeppelins O2 reunion concert movie is playing at a handful of theatres and is available on DVD Friday…

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STEVIE

I’m a HUGE Paul Newman fan myself, both as an actor and a mensh…and, man, could he interpret Williams!

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Stevie Ray – 6:12

The same God cannot someday send the Messiah, have already sent the Messiah and send The Prophet instead of a Messiah.That would make no logical sense. So, obviously, they are NOT the same God.

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indigo

“That would make no logical sense. So, obviously, they are NOT the same God.”

Care to explain the Trinity, then?

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JOSEF
I’m a HUGE Paul Newman fan myself, both as an actor and a mensh…and, man, could he interpret Williams!

He was a heck of a racer too

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CAT

And made a damned good salad dressing…a true Renaissance man, he!

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E. Cat — “He was a heck of a racer too”

Jerry was a racecar driver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Was_a_Racecar_Driver

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Erwin’s cat 6:36

I’d posted this on a few occasions when this topic arose. Given the guy’s not a climate scientist it should fit in with your model of someone who analyzes data and has a professional reputation in his field. It was a gamechanger in my thinking. Never had anybody refute his analysis. One started, but it became obvious he hadn’t watched the presentation when he began his dismissal. Don’t let the title, “Microwaves, Icebergs and Climate Change’ be off-putting. It does tie together. Plus, the first half does set a serious groundwork for he second half.

And I’m sure Dr. Long would be more than happy to be interviewed by Scientific American, or any other such organization.

http://byutv.org/watch/a83c1385-eaf6-4f20-9c5a-b7460700a0da

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You’re batting 1000. Congratulations.

Too funny.

2, get out of the gutter, man.

You wouldn’t know a good book if it fell in your lap, as you apparently have read one since you had to in high school!

BOTH, super sweet ARS at 6:32.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FhLRSCRilU

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Paul:

He “massaged” it to make it fit.

By the way, he still says the murder of our ambassador was NOT an act of terror.

” ……………. because the attack on our consulate in Benghazi was not an act of terror.”

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ2murOTsRg&feature=related

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Scout

Jay’s right.

Those rabbit holes magically multiply…..

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jamvet- You wouldn’t know a good book if it fell in your lap, as you apparently have read one since you had to in high school

At least I don’t promote censorship.

You’re lying about the rest. Nothing new there…

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