Gallup: Romney busts out a six-point lead
Obama supporters buoyed by last night’s debate performance just got a glass of cold water in the face in the form of the latest Gallup numbers among likely voters:
Romney: 51 percent
Obama: 45 percent
That’s a considerably better number for Romney than reported by the Rasmussen tracking poll, which puts the race at Romney 49, Obama 48, well within the margin of error. Other national polls also report a tight race, with advantages for either candidate of two or three points at best.
Obama continues to hold an advantage in state-by-state polling, giving him a lead in the all-important electoral college. That explains in part why Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight continues to give him a 64.8 percent change of winning re-election. However, that advantage continues to erode as well.
The effects, if any, of last night’s showing haven’t manifested themselves yet, and won’t until the end of the week at the earliest. The final debate is Monday.
But with Election Day only three weeks from yesterday, it is anybody’s race.
– Jay Bookman
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Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
7:10 pm
TaxPayer – I read some of that the other day and yes Burt acknowledges his short comings and some errors
In truth, I am not a Denier…more like a skeptic and question the motivation of the Al Gore crowd…I don’t believe for a minute we are at a tipping point, and believe man may have made some contributions but a “crisis” is going to require more convincing data than the flawed models being bantered around as “accurate”
Jm
October 17th, 2012
7:12 pm
Yep, it’s a tight race
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:12 pm
TM
What was the lie?
Before you answer that, could you also please define ‘lie’?
josef
October 17th, 2012
7:14 pm
PAUL
Lie is what you do to get laid…
TaxPayer
October 17th, 2012
7:15 pm
Erwin,
You should read the entire exchange. I just gets better and better.
ODD OWL
October 17th, 2012
7:17 pm
Mittens Romney was a bully in high school and he was a bully as a private equity, vulture capitalist, cutthroat corporate boss… Now we see that Romney is also a bully Presidential candidate… Romney disrespected president Obama, he disrespected the office of the President and he also disrepected Candy Crawley and all women with his Rico Suave’, sexist, male chauvinist pig, Mexican machismo attitude… Mittens actually believe that Women belong in the kitchen, submissive, barefoot, pregnant and cooking him some tacos… I cannot understand why any Woman would support and vote for the bully, Mittens Romney…
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
7:17 pm
TaxPayer – I will, what I read was a very good exchange
TaxPayer
October 17th, 2012
7:17 pm
Lie is what you do to get laid…
And all this time I thought it was a combination of the number of drinks one had and who was still left at the bar at closing. Not that I ever participated in such activities…
josef
October 17th, 2012
7:20 pm
TAXI
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:22 pm
josef
Now I can finally tell them apart. Thanks!
TM
October 17th, 2012
7:22 pm
“To lie is to deliver a false statement to another person which the speaking person knows is not the whole truth, intentionally.” Kinda like last night when he claimed he labeled it a terrorist attack the day following the murders.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:24 pm
ODD OWL
Kinda loses some of the punchiness of righteous indignation about disrespect when you use phrases like “Mittens” and “Mexican…. attitude.”
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:26 pm
TM
Has any president, acting in his presidential role, not lied?
Is a president lying ever justified?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 17th, 2012
7:27 pm
Kinda like
last night when he claimed he labeled it a terrorist attack the day following the murdersthe smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.Doggone/GA
October 17th, 2012
7:28 pm
“That would make no logical sense. So, obviously, they are NOT the same God.”
But you are making the assumption that the judgement of other men about the status of those three men matches God’s intentions in sending them.
josef
October 17th, 2012
7:29 pm
PAUL
Actually, I should have given proper credit…Mrs. Lura Barnette…she taught my mom, my dad, and all my brothers and sisters, me and several of my nieces and nephews English…an amazing woman she, and quite the character, she’d say anything to get us to understand and that was her example
Another when she was trying to get us to understand Tom Swiftleys, “The man sat on the buzz saw, said Tom disastrously…”
Back in the late 20s she was being told she had to resign because she was pregnant. She became the first woman in Mississippi to successfully challenge the requirement of teachers. Her defense: “For the love of G-d, I teach biology!”
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
7:30 pm
Smoking mushroom with
a gun might put you on a
cloud. -Thomas Jeffersin
TM
October 17th, 2012
7:31 pm
Paul- when is it okay for the President to not be truthful?
josef
October 17th, 2012
7:33 pm
FROG
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:35 pm
josef
As you’ve likely gathered, I do love those plays on words. And the double meaning in your ‘lie’ post.
Who says the impact of a teacher can’t span generations?
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:36 pm
Oh, come on, TM, you come to a forum like this and duck such a simple question?
Pres Roosevelt. WWII. With regularity.
Towncrier
October 17th, 2012
7:37 pm
“The pollsters are lying. The climatologists are lying. The clerks in Hawaii’s Department of Vital Records are lying. The statisticians at the Bureau of Labor Statistics are lying. The people who said there were no WMD are lying.”
Let me break it down for you, Jay:
A) Human beings lie for various reasons.
B) Pollsters, climatologists, clerks, statisticians and everyone else (including Obama, Romney, you and me) are human beings.
C) Pollsters, climatologists, clerks, statisticians and everyone else (including Obama, Romney, you and me) can and do lie.
None of this is true, of course, if you believe in the liberal doctrine (Rousseauian) that man is naturally good (and rarely does wrong – just look at the almost non-existent murder rate in that bastion of liberalism, Chicago).
“Lies. All lies. All part of the great liberal media conspiracy to tell you things that you do not choose to believe. Honestly, 20 years ago I never would have believed that such a mass self-hypnosis was possible. And now I have witnessed it in action.”
Of course the mainstream media is not liberally biased. It never has been. That is a….LIE. People like David Chalian don’t jokes to co-workers about Romney not caring if blacks drown because he is biased – anymore than men who make crude sexual jokes about females at work are harassing. People like Arthur Brisbane don’t cop to this bias because it is true. No, it is all part of an elaborate satire upon those who believe otherwise. Matthews doesn’t feel a tingle down his leg only for Obama – no, he felt that for GWB as well. Dan Rather isn’t biased because he pushed to air a damaging report on GWB that was not properly vetted. No, he just made an “honest” mistake. Things like the Journolist don’t exist because of bias. No, they were just “playin”. Gabrielle Giffords’ tragic shooting was linked to the Tea Party not because of bias – no, because they were (in Jay Carney’s words) acting on the best available information. The Duke La Crosse team was accused left and right of rape by the media not because it is biased – no, they were again acting on the best available information. It is all a fiction, this idea that the mainstream media is liberally biased.
Thanks for the clarification, Jay. Sure is nice to have an unbiased and clear-sighted person such as yourself set things straight for the rest of us ignorami. Let me get back to my rabbit hole.
ODD OWL
October 17th, 2012
7:38 pm
I call Romney mittens because he’s soft… I call Romney Mexican because thats his heritage… Romney definitely need an attitude adjustment… The President begin that process last night… In the next debate, the Commander of the Predator Drone will reduce Mittens to the level of a sniveling, groveling, prostrated chicken hawk…
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:38 pm
TM
But more apropos to your original point: you are stating as fact that the president knew the information he presented was false and he did so with the direct intent to deceive.
Evidence?
Or just ’cause you don’t like the guy?
TM
October 17th, 2012
7:39 pm
Paul maybe I am slow what was his justification for lying that you agreed with?
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:40 pm
ODD OWL
” I call Romney Mexican because thats his heritage…”
I believe you’re confusing ‘heritage’ with ‘place of birth.’
It’d be like calling Sen McCain Panamanian.
Dharma Bum
October 17th, 2012
7:40 pm
Polls don’t mean anything… they meant nothing when Obama was up and they still mean nothing when Romney is up.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 17th, 2012
7:42 pm
Pollsters, climatologists, clerks, statisticians and everyone else (including Obama, Romney, you and me) can and do lie.
Birthers and jobbers and skewers and ringers — OH MY!
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:42 pm
TM
I’ve yet to be convinced he was lying.
I am so far of the opinion he was getting multiple, conflicting reports from various agencies and there was a good deal of ineptness displayed.
But not willful, intentional deception.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:43 pm
Just a bit of advance notice – it’s been a long day and I’ll be punching out soon -
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
7:44 pm
Polls serve as guidelines to
the path a candidate should
follow to gain support.
josef
October 17th, 2012
7:45 pm
PAUL
That woman was truly a role model for generations…a true Southern Lady of Culture and Breeding, she could and did teach the entire curriculum. She also was keenly aware of her position in society. When the state was doing the two-step with token integration back in the early 60s, the school board was going to send two white teachers to the black school and two black teachers to the white school. She volunteered to go to the black school. The local klukkers burned a cross on her front lawn. She went out and regal noblesse oblige roasted hot dogs and marshmallows…it was THAT that was the talk of the town!
She was also a classically trained pianist and organist. She was giving a concert one evening and her bra was causing her difficulty, she stood up, reached underneath her dress and unhooked the pesky garmet, pulled it through the front of her dress, slapped it across the bench, sat down and continued the concert!
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
7:47 pm
JOSEF
She was also a classically trained pianist and organist. She was giving a concert one evening and her bra was causing her difficulty, she stood up, reached underneath her dress and unhooked the pesky garmet, pulled it through the front of her dress, slapped it across the bench, sat down and continued the concert!
That is a hoot and a half
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 17th, 2012
7:47 pm
USMC:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/10/17/first-women-fail-marine-infantry-officer-course.html#.UH892SEvmXU.email
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
7:48 pm
Pollsters, climatologists, clerks, statisticians and everyone else (including Obama, Romney, you and me) can and do lie.
well if he is telling the truth…then that is a lie….and if its a lie then…
Oh my….. a logic loop.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
7:48 pm
josef
You are truly blessed to have had so many colorful characters enter your life!
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
7:51 pm
Why is it wrong to lie when
needed? A novel is a lie.
Jesus told parables which
were not true. Opinions are
not truths.
josef
October 17th, 2012
7:52 pm
CAT
Everybody in my hometown has a favorite Mrs. Barnette story, some from personal witness, and others as part of the local lore…
PAUL
Well, I’ll have to agree to that…it’s probably why I’m such a happy person, eh?
Jay
October 17th, 2012
7:53 pm
“You are truly blessed to have had so many colorful characters enter your life!”
Somehow, I have this image of those folks sitting around, telling their friends, “Did I ever tell you about my friend Josef?”
josef
October 17th, 2012
7:54 pm
FROG
You sound like Granddaddy: “write it down, Jody. If you put it on paper, you’re an author. If you just say it, you’re a liar.”
josef
October 17th, 2012
7:54 pm
IMAM
Me and Owen don’t have no friends!
ODD OWL
October 17th, 2012
7:57 pm
Non rich White Americans are presented with a clear choice in the upcoming Presidential elections… Do you want a President or do you want a greedy, selfish, conceited, condescending, bullying corporate Boss ???
getalife
October 17th, 2012
7:59 pm
Cuba is allowing their people to travel now so where are my dang cigars.
The media knew our President called it a terror attack all along but failed to report it.
Our President said it several times.
Paul
October 17th, 2012
8:00 pm
“Somehow, I have this image of those folks sitting around, telling their friends, “Did I ever tell you about my friend Josef?””
I can’t think of a better post upon which to call it a day.
Pleasant evening, all -
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
8:01 pm
Campaign 2012.
Much ado about nothing.
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
8:02 pm
I’ll take the greedy, selfish, conceited, condescending, bully corporate Boss guy ODD OWL
does that mean I’m white and rich?
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
8:03 pm
ciao Paul
josef
October 17th, 2012
8:04 pm
getalife
I was reading about that Cuba one earlier…interesting…did you happen to catch the program on one of the learning channels about Cuba’s ecological unspoiled natural environment position for studies? The “time warp” it’s been trapped in has meant that the lack of development has had the side effect of making them now a center for study of such…
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
8:04 pm
I foresee former josef
students saying let me
tell you about this wonderful
teacher I had….
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
8:04 pm
get – I’ve always wanted to vacation in Cuba…the Europeans i know give it high marks
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 17th, 2012
8:06 pm
I’ll take the greedy, selfish, conceited, condescending, bully corporate Boss guy ODD OWL
With that choice, I think you’re gonna be on the receiving end of any “take[ing]“.
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
8:06 pm
The Cubans can become
wealthy by selling the
vintage autos they have.
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
8:06 pm
josef – they are quite resourceful..almost McGieverish…due to decades of limited resources (no pun intended)
getalife
October 17th, 2012
8:07 pm
“Binders full of women” was a self inflicted wound.
He tends to say dumb stuff like w but he can sell bs..
josef
October 17th, 2012
8:07 pm
Awww…y’all are just being nice…but, I will say this about my teachers…I had some magnificent ones who taught me a lot more than the curriculum objectives and for that I am eternally grateful…
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
8:09 pm
Kam – how can you resist a description like that…that Boss guy sounds awesome (the again, I like A-hole personalities).it’s.too bad Clinton can’t run again
getalife
October 17th, 2012
8:10 pm
josef,
cat is probably right about taking a vacation there.
My people had big plans in Cuba then Castro won.
It was going to be bigger than Vegas.
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
8:12 pm
josef
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=7aSFoY3W3NM
Z
October 17th, 2012
8:12 pm
Mitt Romney lost last night because he is a bully and a liar, he is condescending to Women, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, especially about Foreign Policy which is scary and he was disrespectful to the President of the United States. Does he even know what his own policies are?
The Right Wing Republicans don’t care if Romney lies or cheats. According to Grover Norquist, Rightwing Republican(we won’t raise taxes EVER, guy) all they only want is someone to sign all those Radical Right Wing policies into law. Bill’s like destroying Medicare with Voucher care or coupon care, Medicaid, Social Security, Planned Parenthood, the Affordable Care Act(Obamacare), Pell Grants, deregulate the banks again, give Corporations even more tax breaks than they already get, taking food stamps away from already hungry children and oh so many other programs that help the Middle Class and Poor. Who needs enemies when we have Republicans like Romney/Ryan running for public office.
josef
October 17th, 2012
8:13 pm
Those cars are a treasure trove…also the Old City…I had the chance to go to Cuba a couple of years ago with a group from the Temple, but I was already obligated to summer school. The folks who went said it was truly amazing…
Ahem
October 17th, 2012
8:13 pm
John Townsend
October 17th, 2012
3:03 pm
Regardless, Romney has already lost the election. There is literally no electoral path for him to reach 270 at this point – he would literally have to win 7 out of 8 swing states, and that just isn’t going to happen.
“Thank goodness, John has awakened from his coma. It will take him a few days to catch up on current affairs and then he will retract his silly comment”, said Dr. Reali T. Check.
Towncrier
October 17th, 2012
8:14 pm
“Somehow, I have this image of those folks sitting around, telling their friends, “Did I ever tell you about my friend Josef?”
Well, someone at least has a smidgin of Biblical knowledge (even if it is second hand). Good line
Joe Hussein Mama
October 17th, 2012
8:14 pm
Towncrier — “A) Human beings lie for various reasons.
B) Pollsters, climatologists, clerks, statisticians and everyone else (including Obama, Romney, you and me) are human beings.
C) Pollsters, climatologists, clerks, statisticians and everyone else (including Obama, Romney, you and me) can and do lie.”
Logical fallacies: Association Fallacy/Fallacy of Composition, Hasty Generalization, Fallacy of Necessity, Jaynes’ Projection Fallacy.
“None of this is true, of course, if you believe in the liberal doctrine (Rousseauian) that man is naturally good (and rarely does wrong – just look at the almost non-existent murder rate in that bastion of liberalism, Chicago).”
Your error is that you’re apparently presuming that because human beings *can* lie, that lying on the part of others *must* be the root cause of the issues you appear to be noting. However, it’s a far simpler explanation to simply ascribe the error to you personally, rather than to some unrevealed and undemonstrated conspiracy.
“Of course the mainstream media is not liberally biased. It never has been. That is a….LIE.”
No, that’s a negative assertion. The fact that you don’t personally agree with it doesn’t make it a lie. Even if the negative assertion was not true, that doesn’t categorically make the assertion a ‘lie,’ as lying requires *knowing and intentional* untruth. You’ve not even come close to demonstrating that.
“People like David Chalian don’t jokes to co-workers about Romney not caring if blacks drown because he is biased – anymore than men who make crude sexual jokes about females at work are harassing. People like Arthur Brisbane don’t cop to this bias because it is true. No, it is all part of an elaborate satire upon those who believe otherwise.”
Your strawman is aflame, sir. You posit a binary condition and fail to recognize other possible sets of causes or circumstances that could be at issue.
“Matthews doesn’t feel a tingle down his leg only for Obama – no, he felt that for GWB as well. Dan Rather isn’t biased because he pushed to air a damaging report on GWB that was not properly vetted. No, he just made an “honest” mistake. Things like the Journolist don’t exist because of bias. No, they were just “playin”.
Demonstrating errors of judgment on the part of one or many individuals does not demonstrate a broad-based conspiracy of some sort. Or do you also credit the Clintonian assertion regarding the existence of a supposed “vast right-wing conspiracy?”
“Gabrielle Giffords’ tragic shooting was linked to the Tea Party not because of bias – no, because they were (in Jay Carney’s words) acting on the best available information. The Duke La Crosse team was accused left and right of rape by the media not because it is biased – no, they were again acting on the best available information. It is all a fiction, this idea that the mainstream media is liberally biased.”
I don’t think that anyone here would argue that *no* bias exists *anywhere* in the mass media, but that’s not the argument you’re railing against. You’re apparently claiming that the things you’re objecting to MUST OF NECESSITY be attributable to a vast conspiracy or some sort. Frankly, I don’t give your claim any more credence than I gave the Clintons’ claim 20 years ago.
“Thanks for the clarification, Jay. Sure is nice to have an unbiased and clear-sighted person such as yourself set things straight for the rest of us ignorami. Let me get back to my rabbit hole.”
I think that you should consider your own biases as well as those of others. From my perspective, you have some rather hefty ones of your own.
Now, I’m out for now, and I hope that you’ll have a pleasant evening. If you choose to reply to me, I’ll respond to you tomorrow.
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
8:14 pm
frog
those cuban classic cars are not what they look like…most have been fitted with parts from various cars and the drivetrain is usuallyadapted military stuff anything and everything…anything to keep it going because new ones aren’t coming…almost every car is a 1-off custom in a very unique way
getalife
October 17th, 2012
8:15 pm
They should have lifted the embargo by now so I can get some Cuban cigars.
Perhaps in our President’s second term.
Ahem
October 17th, 2012
8:16 pm
Dharma Bum
October 17th, 2012
7:40 pm
Polls don’t mean anything… they meant nothing when Obama was up and they still mean nothing when Romney is up.
You betcha
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
8:20 pm
Erwin’s cat
Probably true but the look
has been retained and that
still sells.
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
8:22 pm
get…I get Cuban cigars on most overseas adventures…it’s about the only time I smoke cigars…i never bring any home with me
josef
October 17th, 2012
8:23 pm
FROG
That was always my song for my junior high track coach, history and science teacher (NO, not THAT coach
) His recognition of who and what I was without ever mentioning it and his quiet support of me as I was learning how to come to terms with “all that” is something I will forever be grateful for.
Erwin's cat
October 17th, 2012
8:24 pm
frog
they could sell for their uniqueness, but other than that….it wouldn’t be like finding a numbers matching hemi cuda in grandpa’s basement
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
October 17th, 2012
8:27 pm
What we will see is the magnificent president kardashian close this gap, starting in three to five days, and reaching a crescendo (even if he were caught on video murdering somebody) a day before the election. You can bet your house on it.
deegee
October 17th, 2012
8:29 pm
Are these the same polls that were so over sampled and under represented a couple of weeks ago that they weren’t even credible?
Ahem
October 17th, 2012
8:31 pm
Yes, which makes the reality even worse for Oblunda / Plugs 2012.
ODD OWL
October 17th, 2012
8:34 pm
Mittens Romney said that he had a binder of Women when he was Gov. of Mass… Are a binder of Women similar to a stable of Women ???
NoBodyYouKnow
October 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
Romney has a file on Candy Crowley. Thats the one that has all the big fat know it alls.
josef
October 17th, 2012
8:45 pm
NoBody
@ 8:35
Cheap, tacky, and trashy.
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
8:46 pm
Next debate should be a
cage match. No ref.
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
8:47 pm
Bind her but don’t gag her Romney.
What a hoot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Tdwub0Ncs
Old Goober
October 17th, 2012
8:49 pm
Well, I’ll be settin’ there with old Ace and our big bag of fried pork skins and a case of PBR. One of two things will happen before the night is over. Either I’ll be up early to tell everybody WE’RE BACK or I’ll be in hiding from the blast from #1 Foxy Lady and what she likes to tell us Republicans the day after a election.
I expect somebody’s lying like a cheap rug in these polls. I know I lie big-time every time I get a call from a pollster. I tell ‘em I’m a Communist that plans to vote for the Socialist Muslim Kenyan early and often. We’ll see pretty soon if there are other voters like me out there.
Romney-Ryan 2012. Let’s put the White back in the White House.
barking frog
October 17th, 2012
8:52 pm
Old Goober
Romney-Ryan 2012. Let’s
put the White back in the
White House.
………..
You’re already halfway there.
JamVet
October 17th, 2012
8:58 pm
Technically, three-quarters there, frog.
(I’m down with the brother’s white Kansas half!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Q7j6s_OKg&feature=watch-vrec
NoBodiesbetterhalf
October 17th, 2012
8:59 pm
O’bama has a wonderfull record (1.) 23 million unemployed ( 2.) 47 million on food stamps(3). 5.5 million homes in foreclosure ( 4.) $4500 drop in household income.( 5)5.5 Trillion in new debt. (6) $716 billion in medicare cuts. (7)2.6 trillion for O,bamacare “would not cost us another penny”.(8)1.9 trillion in new taxes in HIS new budget, 100% increase in gas prices. Bush caused all this, give him another 4 years. “GOD help us”. I’m gonna vote for him because he’s a “brother”. I’m gonna vote for him because he’s so nice looking, I’m gonna vote for him because he has the most beautiful wife and kids, I’m gonna vote for him because he can make a great speech. Never mind all those statistics. They’re all lies anyway.
Thulsa Doom
October 17th, 2012
9:03 pm
Went to the gym after my last appt and while I’m on the treadmill there on the tvs several people are watching the latest Nancy Grace missing or dead white girl syndrome case. Does this sensationalized bullshyte ever end? Then I just walk in a few minutes ago and the girlfriend is watching the same BS on my tv. Geez.
NoBodyyouknow
October 17th, 2012
9:03 pm
Josef, you must be fat too?
Thulsa Doom
October 17th, 2012
9:06 pm
“They should have lifted the embargo by now so I can get some Cuban cigars.”
Well it looks like on top of being a true believer in the liberal cause getalife is a cigar lover. T’aint nuttin wrong with that.
JKL2
October 17th, 2012
9:07 pm
jamvet- 2, you just promote the banning of labor unions, keeping people from voting, the corporate takeover of we the people’s government and other fascist philosophies
0-4. Is that better than the 0-10-1 rant you went on about what I believe in last time?
Stay hot all knowing one…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 17th, 2012
9:14 pm
The quality of the trolls’ postings just seems to be diminishing as we draw nearer to the election and it’s clearer that Romney will not win the election.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 17th, 2012
9:22 pm
Went to the gym after working 96 hours straight, I walked 50 miles in the snow barefoot, uphill both ways only to hear Fox’s Doocy droning on and on about how the moderator can’t be a ref, but must be “fair.” Does this sensationalized bullshyte ever end? Then I just walked in on my girlfriend, Candace Swanepoel, watching the same BS on my tv. Geez.
Furia
October 17th, 2012
9:24 pm
Don’t believe all of the polls! Romney will in a landlslide!
Josef
October 17th, 2012
9:24 pm
Nobody
Well, must admit that I’m not what I was in my prime! But, back when it mattered? Never got any complaints…
Thulsa Doom
October 17th, 2012
9:25 pm
So Jay posts an article admitting that Romney is up 51-45 in the latest gallup and then you got folks saying its becoming more and more clear that Romney can’t win. Delusional.
Towncrier
October 17th, 2012
9:27 pm
“Logical fallacies: Association Fallacy/Fallacy of Composition, Hasty Generalization, Fallacy of Necessity, Jaynes’ Projection Fallacy.”
Wrong. The argument I postulated is perfectly valid.
“Your error is that you’re apparently presuming that because human beings *can* lie, that lying on the part of others *must* be the root cause of the issues you appear to be noting. However, it’s a far simpler explanation to simply ascribe the error to you personally, rather than to some unrevealed and undemonstrated conspiracy.”
You seem not to be able to read between the lines very well. Jay was NOT saying that I believe all that he ascribed to me – he was dramatically overstating the case to make a point. I was doing the same. I do NOT think that all journalists in the mainstream media are liberally biased. Jake Tapper and Mike Wallace, for instance, seem to be pretty objective IMO.
“No, that’s a negative assertion. The fact that you don’t personally agree with it doesn’t make it a lie. Even if the negative assertion was not true, that doesn’t categorically make the assertion a ‘lie,’ as lying requires *knowing and intentional* untruth. You’ve not even come close to demonstrating that.”
Again, neither Jay’s nor my post was meant to be a strictly logical argument. I have said this again and again, you seem unable to detect sarcasm or satire (irony in general) very well.
“Your strawman is aflame, sir. You posit a binary condition and fail to recognize other possible sets of causes or circumstances that could be at issue….Demonstrating errors of judgment on the part of one or many individuals does not demonstrate a broad-based conspiracy of some sort. Or do you also credit the Clintonian assertion regarding the existence of a supposed “vast right-wing conspiracy?”
I was offering evidence of bias off the top of my head. You can “parse” this evidence as much as you want, but that does not mean it is not valid.
“I don’t think that anyone here would argue that *no* bias exists *anywhere* in the mass media, but that’s not the argument you’re railing against. You’re apparently claiming that the things you’re objecting to MUST OF NECESSITY be attributable to a vast conspiracy or some sort. Frankly, I don’t give your claim any more credence than I gave the Clintons’ claim 20 years ago.”
Why don’t you take your argument up with someone like Arthur Brisbane (the outgoing New York Times managing editor) – I suspect he can speak to the kind of bias of which I am speaking a bit more authoritatively than you:
“When The Times covers a national presidential campaign, I have found that the lead editors and reporters are disciplined about enforcing fairness and balance, and usually succeed in doing so…Across the paper’s many departments, though, so many share a kind of political and cultural progressivism — for lack of a better term — that this worldview virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.”
I am arguing that there is a liberal Weltanschauung that leads many mainstream “journalists” to skew things to more accord with that perspective. It is not so much a conspiracy (but I think the Journolist suggests that it can rise to that level) as a desire to see one’s view win the day.
“I think that you should consider your own biases as well as those of others. From my perspective, you have some rather hefty ones of your own.”
Of course I have biases. Everyone here knows my biases and views. But I am not paid to publish articles I claim are “objective”. And I think, from reading your comments the past few months, that you do not really understand human nature very well. Unless someone is REALLY committed to doing what is right, they will invariably and consistently have few qualms about doing clearly wrong things.
“Now, I’m out for now, and I hope that you’ll have a pleasant evening. If you choose to reply to me, I’ll respond to you tomorrow.”
Okay, my friend. I hope your evening is a good one.
Furia
October 17th, 2012
9:28 pm
Romney in a landslide. Won’t even be close.
Thulsa Doom
October 17th, 2012
9:29 pm
Why do birds suddenly appear
Every time Doomy is near,
Just like Kam, they long to be
Close to Doom…
The obsession continues.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 17th, 2012
9:34 pm
Oh! I almost forgot!
I did this all while wearing only a pair of speedos and a wife-beater.
Recon 0311 2533
October 17th, 2012
9:34 pm
Jay is conceding the very real possibility of an Obama defeat. You libs should heed his indirect advise and condition yourselves for that possibility. The acceptance of your possible loss could be more easily emotionally accepted on this potentially fateful Wednesday morning in early November.
DownInAlbany
October 17th, 2012
9:36 pm
Obama’s post-debate pitch aims to make campaign all about Romney
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/17/obama-post-debate-pitch-aims-to-make-campaign-all-about-romney/#ixzz29btdY06g
If this is all that O has (and, regardless of opinions to the contrary, he REALLY cannot run on his record), Romney may very will win. Let the Faux News jokes begin, but, you know it’s true.
Thulsa Doom
October 17th, 2012
9:38 pm
“Again, neither Jay’s nor my post was meant to be a strictly logical argument. I have said this again and again, you seem unable to detect sarcasm or satire (irony in general) very well.”
Towncrier,
Let me suggest that you use the kamchak disclaimer when you say something that’s meant to be satire, sarcastic, or when you’re being facetious or just plain kidding. Since they often lack the ability to discern these forms of humor its best to put the disclaimer in there to let them know not to take a particular statement seriously.
Furia
October 17th, 2012
9:40 pm
Lefties in a panic. Party is over. Drink up Moderates! Romney in a landslide!!!!
Thulsa Doom
October 17th, 2012
9:40 pm
The only white man in a 100% black neighborhood is on a roll tonight with his retreads.