So how much has Obama increased federal spending?

5 unmet promises of President Obama
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82429.html?hp=f1

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The chart looks like the tax cuts restored revenue levels to that of 1999-2000 by the year 2006.

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Finally after OVER a month, someone in the Obama Administration steps up and takes responsibility…
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/15/us/clinton-benghazi/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Hillary Clinton dashes chances of a successful Presidential run in 2016 by falling on the sword for a reluctant President Obama…

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When will President Trillions try to fix the deficit with spending cuts? Never

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USMC

Hillary has substance

Obama, not so much

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That’s gotta be wrong.

We all know President Obama raised the deficit eleventy gozillion dollars and seventy five cents.

Saw a tee shirt at a GOP rally that said….Let’s put the White back in the White House….That guy knows fer sure about the eleventy gozillion.

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“So how much has Obama increased federal spending?”–JAY Bookman

The stunning chart that shows the Obama spending binge really happened…
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/05/the-stunning-chart-that-shows-the-obama-spending-binge-really-happened/

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I’ll gladly champion a rollback in tax rates to Clinton levels if Mr. Bookman will champion a rollback in spending to Clinton levels, because it looks like spending is up 40-50% from 2000 but revenues only look to be down about 10-15% from 2000.

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Obama was never particularly spendy–that’s my main beef with him, actually.

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Where was George W. Bush? He was responsible for the free falling economy that President Obama inherited and you NEVER hear the media or the Repubs on this blog glorify him. If he was such a great president, why is he in hiding??

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and effing hell, USMC, have you absolutely no shame at all? You can’t lead without spamming with the same crap you posted downstairs?

what IS your major malfunction, anyway?

I’d call you “Gomer’s Piles” henceforth, but that’s an insult to dung.

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“Hillary has substance, Obama, not so much”–JM

Obama’s lack of LEADERSHIP is “par for the course” for a guy who came into office with NO experience. President Obama= nice guy, but in WAY over his head and corrupt as they get.

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USMC

You hit the nail on the head

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“But there were a few problems with Nutting’s numbers. Nutting’s methodology assumes spending in the first year of a presidential term should be credited to the previous president. OK, fine. But he attributed a $410 billion spending bill in March of 2009 to George W. Bush even though it was signed by Barack Obama. Nutting also didn’t use inflation adjusted numbers.” So nutting didn’t count the 410 billion or the 800 billion in stimulus ? I can do better than Nutting, if I don’t count the 5 trillion in new debt and 500 billion in current budgeting then I can say without a doubt that Obama was right when he said he would cut the debt in half.

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from Gomer’s shrieky link @ 8.06:

Federal spending was close to 20 percent under the Carter administration, dropped to 18 percent under Clinton, and is currently at an incredible 24 percent of GDP.

ZOMG! INCREDIBLE!

except when you compare it to the rest of the planet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending#As_a_percentage_of_GDP

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But Reagan raised taxes 11 times, so yeeeeaaaaaaaaaa, Obama wins!!!

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Deep Thought:

I really wish there were “I don’t give a flying f-ck about how many trillions we have to add to our debt to get America working again” party, because I’d be sooo there.

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Jay,read this weeks “economist” you will improve your objectivity and will be partially pleased tha tsome of what you write has some validity This week there are numerous articles about income disparity and spending by goverment and taxes . Instaed of spitting the same bias all the time, you can give your readers a more nuanced view……Try it

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Moderator Role Under Scrutiny — Before the Debate

Read more: http://thepage.time.com/2012/10/14/moderator-role-under-scrutiny-before-the-debate/#ixzz29Sopg3vB

“Controversial” Candy Crowley already setting her OWN agenda for Tonight’s Debate…

Flashback… “Ryan… a “ticket Deathwish”…
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/08/11/cnns-candy-crowley-ryan-pick-looks-little-bit-some-sort-ticket-death-#ixzz29N2psx9D

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The fantasies are strong in these conned. No need for reality. They know what’s they know.

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Jay,

I don’t care if it’s an R or a D. Spending more than you have is going into debt. Either side can try and make the numbers look good for their candidate but the truth is that both Bush and Obama spent way more than they had coming in. End of story.

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“Nice try Jay, but no cigar. Anyone with two grey cells to rub together knows “percentage” can be used to make bad things look better. My used car sales increased 100% last quarter. I sold two instead of one. That doesn’t make me a good salesman. Plus, I don’t know any Republicans who give Bush high marks on controlling spending.”

True dat Johnny Reb

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So now “honorable” means “hiding”

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Alex

Nuance would be too complicated to follow for Jay’s lib wingers

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What is amazing in this day and age is the press refuses to correct the lies, leaving them out there like pocket approvals, giving Romney and his kind a liar’s license. In the debate JL was totally steamed rolled, Romney did everything the right accuses Biden of doing last week in his debate. He interrupted and always got the last word in over any weak fence designed for fairness. And what is with the Republicans always losing these coin tosses and having to go first in this debate setting the tone for the debate of having to be judged by Romney instead of Romney going first and being countered by Obama. Both debates have been that way.

Last night the Romney brothers appeared on CNN. They looked like the Osborn brothers with the white teeth. Then they put Reed on to follow them. Mayor Reed spelled out in no difficult to understand terms the weakness of Romney and how the press has allowed the candidate to lie and still are through this preppy presentation of the brothers. He felt like I did that Obama’s weak debate was the unexpected misrepresentation of Romney’s position that suddenly became the exact same as Obama’s. You then are in a position to have to explain what Romney positions really are losing time on your own agenda, while he defends your views calling them his own. The American public really gets to this election late and now thinks Romney is a moderate and all call this a good debate.

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Media BIAS Alert! (surprised??)

CNN host O’Brien defends Obama, as Giuliani suggests she’s tied to campaign….

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/15/cnn-host-obrien-defends-obama-as-giuliani-suggests-tied-to-campaign/#ixzz29SsE3NG5

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USMC

There’s panic among the libs about Obama and jay’s posts reflect that

There will be lots of liberal chest thumping after the debate

But we’ll have to probably judge from polls what the real outcome of the debate is

Unless someone seriously trips up

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What is amazing in this day and age is the press refuses to correct the lies

Follow the money. If they did, the race wouldn’t be close, and people wouldn’t bother tuning into their stupid “news” broadcasts.

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“I seem to recall this thing called Obamacare which increase spending by trillions”

Not intended to be a factual statement in fact intended to be an outright lie.

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Thank you for explaining the problem of this country in such simple terms, INCREASED spending. All of the mentioned Presidents (really the Congress during those terms) are way to liberal (especially President Bush 43). The Medicare prescription coverage has been every bit the disaster to the federal budget as the Great Society. The Great Society had the added effect of killing the family unit, leading to many/most of the societal problems we have today. Never has so much money been spent with such ‘unspectacular’ results.

Give me a President and Congress that REDUCES actual spending (let’s start at 15% next year and take the full 1/3 it needs to be in about 3 years) and they’ll have my vote forever. Heck, I’d favor repealing the two term limit on a President if they could actually do what needs to be done. It would be a first. Last surplus by the federal government? 1969. That’s ridiculous.

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I’m pretty sure you never existed, George.

You wish.

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Thank you for explaining the problem of this country in such simple terms, INCREASED spending

Thank you, Child, for explaining the problem in this country: people can only comprehend simple “explanations” to complex issues.

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Bob Loblaw

“If you take Jay’s chart and expand it to include projections, you will see debt limit increases galore”

I know what you mean. That socialist Paul Ryan’s budget shows debt ceiling increases out to, what, 2040?

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how the press has allowed the candidate to lie GT, are you referring to this lie?

Obama: ‘We Got Back Every Dime’ of Bailout; CBO: Bailout Will Lose $24 Billion

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Jay
October 16th, 2012
8:31 am

How does the chart show that revenue would have been the same without tax cuts?

I’m sure the Internet bubble had nothing to do with increased revenue during 1999-2000.

So what in the chart PROVES that tax cuts do not increase revenue?
Or can you show us how the chart PROVES that tax cuts do increase revenue?

Or is it so because you say it’s so?

Also I have made no claim I pointed out to you what your chart showed and asked why you failed to mention the increase in revenue after you blamed the decrease in part on the tax cuts.
You got all defensive and started telling me what argument i was making.

Those be the facts so far Jay.

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“There’s panic among the libs about Obama and jay’s posts reflect that
There will be lots of liberal chest thumping after the debate.
But we’ll have to probably judge from polls what the real outcome of the debate is
Unless someone seriously trips up”–JM

Yes, The Leftwingers have definitely brought out the “Affirmative Action” LOW BAR for Obama’s Debate tonight.

Basically if Obama smiles and looks halfway interested: OBAMA WINS!

But let’s not forget one of Obama’s more colorful “Town Hall” performances…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mr0M7GWmxc

What a BUFFOON!

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Hillary steps up to the plate in the biggest story in the last 6 mos

Really? That to you is the “biggest story in the last 6 mos”? Not “Moderate Mitt” lying his way through a debate with the President? I’m shocked you think that way.

Ok, I’m not really shocked.

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So what in the chart PROVES that tax cuts do not increase revenue?

OOooo… OOoooo!!! I know that one!!!

Because the recession of 2001 didn’t last into 2002 and yet revenues continued to fall into 2003 after two tax cuts. With a growing economy, the revenues should have increased.

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“So, more deflection. Hillary steps up to the plate in the biggest story in the last 6 mos admitting fault for the Libya fiasco and Bookman has a thread about Bozo’s spending. Selective indignation at it’s best.”–Kayaker 71

LOL! EVERYONE knows that Jay Bookman prints whatever the PARTY operatives tell Jay to print.

Jay Bookman avoids the Truth; BENGHAZIGATE!

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No weapons of mass destruction of any kind were found in Iraq

http://www.leadingtowar.com/claims_facts_noweapons.php

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Jay Bookman avoids the Truth; BENGHAZIGATE

And USMC avoids the obvious: foreign policy won’t win or lose this election or even move the needle. Only wingnut cons who can’t answer the obvious question care… oh, the obvious question: why did Paul Ryan vote to cut $300 million from our diplomatic security budget last year?

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In 2001 the DoD outlay was 305 billion. In 2010 it was 694 billion. The cons think we don’t spend enough on the DoD yet.

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“You’re right, a lot of people are transfixed by big scary sounding numbers.”

And what’s really scary is that some people DON’T see $16 Trillion as a big scary number.

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And what’s really scary is that some people DON’T see $16 Trillion as a big scary number.

It’s a big scary number. It’s a big scary country. These things go hand in hand.

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“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.’”
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3

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Not a Pretty Picture, folks… kind of makes you dizzy just looking at it. :spineyes:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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It is important that the likes of Rove and Hannity do not “control the present”.

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from Jay Bookman in response to me: “Relative to economic growth, federal spending has increased far more under Obama than under Bush II, Clinton, Bush I and Reagan.

Gee, ya think?

Ya think taking office amidst the biggest economic collapse in some 80 years might have had something to do with that, “relative to economic growth”?
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Jay, the recession officially ended well over 3 years ago. You know very well that the steeper the recession, the stronger the economic recovery is supposed to be. Obama did inherit a very steep recession. That set him up to potentially have a remarkably strong recovery. That the recovery has been so abysmally weak by any historic measure is how Obama’s policies should be judged. It’s why moderate Democrats such as Mort Zuckerman have turned on Obama.

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You liberals can’t spin yourselves out of this one. It is all to obvious that this cross between the Peter Principal and Affirmative Action has not lived up to potential…… not by a long shot. And if we are stuck with him for another 4 yrs, we may never recover from this debt.

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Question for those who don’t like the chart:

What happens to revenue if a President Romney reduces marginal rates by 20%? Especially, especially given, based on what he said at the last debate, he as absolutely no intention of making the 47% pay any federal income taxes?

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Jay
October 16th, 2012
8:53 am

What facts are you arguing?

Is it a fact to attribute the loss in revenue to the tax cuts in part but the. Make no mention that revenue recovered shortly after the tax cuts. In fact the revenue returned at the same time economist place an end to the early 2000s recession.

Is that not a fact that revenue returned to 2000 levels and in fact surpassed those levels to set a record level for revenue in a month?

“So far this year, tax revenues total $1.505 trillion, an increase of 11.2 percent over the same period last year. That figure includes $383.6 billion collected in April, the largest monthly tax collection on record.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595849/ns/business-personal_finance/t/revenue-collections-hit-record-high-april/

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Paul
October 16th, 2012
8:59 am

If he reduced across-the-board rates by 20% revenue of course will go down. That’s basic math.

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why did Paul Ryan vote to cut $300 million from our diplomatic security budget last year?

Why did the State Department decide to spend money on Chevy Volts instead of security?

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Mitt Romney has accused Barack Obama of igniting a “debt and spending inferno.” American Crossroads, the Karl Rove SuperPAC, says free spending by Obama “drove us $5 trillion deeper in debt

It’s called a “keep the rubes snowed” strategy.

Hey, if it didn’t work, they wouldn’t be wasting their time with it.

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My grandaddy once told me that figures lie and liers figure…the problem is the Federal Government is borrowing 40 or perhaps 50 cents on every dollar it spends. A procedure the USA can not continue to do. Obama AKA Barry shows no intentions on slowing that down but rather increasing it. Barry Care, depnding on which numbers you can believe from the CBO as it changes daily, contains even more spending and TAXES ( on everybody, not just the rich). SS, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, are all sepnding programs that are unstainable at current levels but promoted by Barry to “BUY” votes. Something has to give and Romney-Ryan seem more inclined to address the situation than Barry, Harry, Nancy and that fool Biden…but lets just blame Bush and all will be well…how I guess some folks just love to be in debt and kiss the big government rear end…how uterly disguesting!

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foreign policy won’t win or lose this election or even move the needle.

Three weeks ago, you people were saying the same about debates…how’s that working out for you?

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Donovan: “Has it ever occurred to you people that any spending by Republicans is for defense and not for entitlements?”

Uh huh. And what, oh what, is it about defense that makes it magically “safe” for Keynesianism ?

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Color of the Republican party: Red
Color of debt: Red
Color of a brick wall: Red

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I see Republicans are still incapable of discussing the actual numbers. Facts. Clearly, the math is too much for them to cope with. Less expenditure on education would certainly do them no harm.

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Jay how about his lies and the cover up of the deaths in Libya? This is a game changer. If he can’t protect 4 men against a known threat in an area that is the size of a football field how can he claim that is is capable of protecting the US?

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Paul
October 16th, 2012
9:12 am

Yeah Paul, only Romney supporters.
No democrats or democrat Bloggers or posters.
Only Romney supporters.

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Congress has the power of the purse. The facts are that debt declined when republicans controlled congress and the greatest increases ocurred when Democrats (particularly Pelosi/Reid) were in power. Clinton lowered the deficit more than any recent President by bipartisan negotiations with a Republican controlled congress.
Obama’s record proves that he simply does not have the leadership skills and respect to put together a bipartisan agenda on anything.

Also, your chart does not reflect the fact that some of Obama’s spending was offset by repayments from the evil Bush TARP program.

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Great job Jay!

People should realize that propaganda was always the Republican truth. No Republican wants to mention that, for better or worse, if Barack Obama gave us Benghazi then Bush gave 9/11 and Iraq. If Obama gave us our current situation, which he did not, then Bush gave 23 million unemployed and our economy melted like plastic Tupperware.

Republicans are as fraudulent as a $3 bill. Romney should just move to Bermuda, because where a man’s treasures are there his heart is also: Matthew 6:21

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Pres Obama has brought the US spending down for 3 1/2 yrears.
Pres Bush did not pay for 2 wars……left the moping up for Pres Obama.
the I want to be Pres forever…..mitt would do the same and at the same time send US jobs to China…..see Sensata in Il right now…..you know “Bainport” …..this is good ole mitts doing and he will add to his millions after it goes to China….so much for his “caring” about the 47%….but then why should he, after all ,7th generation Morman and the White Horse Phropehcy is to be filled by him………right? UPs…….he did not want anyone to know about this. You see the founder of Mormanism,,,,,,,J. Smith wanted to be Pres also and wanted to overthrow the US gov. and so this has been passed down to all kids of the Morman cult…….the Morman will “save” us all….theory…..
Of course,all kids also have to say the were in Heaven and then were born on Earth just to save us……us being the regular 47% that do not know anything……….I do NOT think so.
He can take this belief and go back to Utah………..or maybe back to Mexico……….you know …..have more wives……………..I sure Ann won’t mind……after all it’s mitts’ history,and belief.
spread that wealth mitt.
show us what you realy are.
stop pretending.

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A prudent person would have cut back on unnecessary or nice to have projects during these “tough financial times”.

It’s what individuals, cities, counties, families and states did.

But it was not what the Federal Government has done.

Obama should have led by example, and this was the wrong example.

If this much spending occurred when things were tough, we surely cannot afford any good times under Obama.

Well, those of us that actually pay Federal Income Taxes. Those paying taxes other than Federal Income Taxes ONLY have no reason to be concerned. They will be paying No Share.

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It’s the deficit. We need to increase income AND cut spending. Yes, I am a conservative Republican.

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You folks have no idea of how silly you sound making such statements.

Actually, I think they may. I think they get a kick out of getting a rise out of you.

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Jay
October 16th, 2012
9:19 am

The tax rates began to increase immediately as the recession lasting from 2000-2003 ended did they not or is that just what your graph shows?

The revenue continued to rise until something happened in 2008.
What could that be I could have sworn I have heard you say before??????

So you are basing your proof on the recession of 08 and revenue dropped in 07?

Is this the same recession that you have used numerous times as an excuse for President Obama’s economy?

If it was so bad to be able to tank an economic recovery some 2 years down the road, you think it maybe coulda possibly had an effect on revenue rates during that same time span?

But hey to you it’s proof! Well because you said so!

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ByteMe – 8:41

Are they televised every week?

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Jay it should also be alarming that according to your graph the spread began when dems took over Congress. Why is that?

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TaxPayer

October 16th, 2012
9:32 am
Your numbers are so sweet! You and Jay like numbers. Yes lets do away with corporations and see you or most of your friends become part of the 47%. You profess to be wise thus become fools.

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TaxPayer:

No we should put more people on disability and welfare that don’t pay anything. That’s what happened the last 3.9 years under the Oblama administration. The answer is we need more people working so that they can pay taxes. Dems simply don’t understand that…

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-chart-on-labor-force-growth-will-shock-you/

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Yep Jay has it right, the terrorist attacked on 9/11/01 and GW went to war with them and the liberals fought him all the way. The terrorist attacked again 09/11/12 and Obama blamed a video and did not get involved. Yepper is he just so sweet!

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W’s whole point was that it would be worth every penny to nationbuild a free Iraq. He argued that the beacon of freedom would light the way for many other countries.. After witnessing the overwhelming response of the good people of Pakistan against the Taliban’s shooting of a young girl……did the world know there were that many freedom lovers in Pakistan? My own personal assumption was that Pakistan was another Islamic Concentration Camp and nobody would say nothing either in fear or in support of the radical Islamists. I assume the same for Iran. and Libya. and Syria.

I hate to say it, but W may have been correct. Which means that Romney may be the best choice if we’re going to free Iran.

the point is that the peace dividend is the best economic plan ever.

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“Government has a different role in the economy. But a “prudent person” would not have gotten into a war or two that was not in the budget and was paid for with “emergency spending bills” and giving cutting revenue at the same time….”

Government’s goal” Spend more than you collect in good times. Spend even more in bad times.

Result: Not Working.

Name a President who scheduled and budgeted a war on his own.

If you read your Constitution, you would know that Congress is ultimately responsible for the war. The fact that they ignored their responsibility does not eliminate it.

Had Congress not been behind the actions, they could have halted it in it’s tracks. But then half of Congress would then have not been able to go home and campaign against the war during reelection, would they?

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@Stevie Ray…….Be fair now…Obama made more than his share of election BS promises…and he has basically folded the crap hand he has been dealt by continuing to lay blame.

Promises are just that….! He did and is keeping his promises. I’m thrilled with Romney/Obama/Affordable Healthcare Act! A PROMISE KEPT! I see the glass as 37% full! (referring to the promises kept) So what, some of the others were not able to be completed(yet). I’m being extremely fair. It takes the village to keep some of the promises made on either side of the isle.

I’m not cynical when it comes to governing and your accessment is somewhat correct, there will be not much difference with a Romney presidency as he claims. The House will remain in under Republican control and the Senate will remain in the control under Democrats.

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Georgia: “I hate to say it, but W may have been correct. Which means that Romney may be the best choice if we’re going to free Iran.”

You people are truly delusional.

Is this a joke post?

Please, tell me this was a parody and I missed it. Unbelievable.

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Willie – you are one sick dude.

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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
October 16th, 2012
9:35 am

You are wrong I was told by Jay those are the facts that his graph PROVES that lowering tax rates does not produce more revenue.

We all know he would not lie or spin anything.

Remember his stance “none” of them use facts.

So your link must be a lie.

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Oh!!!! Only 10 f’ing percent after a decade of already insanely inflated spending. He’s a GD saint.
You are dumb.

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We woke up after Clinton and there was Obama with a surplus there was no W for the last 8 years, Obama started the two unfunded wars, and sent the economy in a dive.

This is the memory laps thinking of the right nut wings, 17 out of 21 Romney staff are Bush people, the right wing nut jobs would love to repeat history again, Thanks Obama for saving this country from the brink of hell now that it is off life support the nut jobs want you out.

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We’re spending 350 billion more per year on the DoD than we were when Bush took office and how did Republicans fund that? They claimed that tax cuts would increase revenues but they didn’t. Why? Because the only way tax cuts can yield increased revenues is if there is a corresponding increase in tax payers via a sustained reduction in unemployment. That means corporations cannot lay off people in tough times since that would increase unemployment and reduce those tax revenues, etc. Republicans claim that it is Democrats that do not understand dynamic scoring but it is all too obvious that it is Republicans that fail to truly understand it given that they only see dynamic scoring up to the point of it reaching its peak such as happens prior to a Great Recession, for example.

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Every dime Bush and Obama spend were approved by Congress. Every dime of the $16 trillion national debt was approved by Congress.

While we are in the process of changing presidents we need to change every member of Congress.

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jay,

You may as well surrender. Neither side is going to change their position.

A more civilized discussion topic will attract a higher class clientele

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STEVEN,

What about cutting deficit in half by end of first term? What about criminally prosecuting Wall Street? What about criminally prosecuting telecom for eavesdropping (he not only flip flopped after cash from telecoms, he pushed for immunity for telecom after saying he would filibuster any effort to grant same), he promised that simply by his election alone, our standing in the world would improve,..

here is a more specific list by politifact..no real excuses for these except the fact that he needed campaign cash from all special interests so he like all in DC made promises to us that were simple to break once they got our vote and quickly subordinated our interest to re-election..

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

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The rubes don’t get it.

They’re not capable of “getting” it.

So they muddle on, still refusing to get it.

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You still haven’t answered my question Jay. Is there a difference between debt and spending?

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the issue isnt whether W. was out of control spending (everyone agrees on that one), the issue is the same guys in Congress who went along with all of it are now the ones bashing Obama as if they had nothing to do with any of it. funny thing about GOP is they’re very conservative during election campaigns and always seem to ‘lose their way’ when trying to govern. strange.

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MARY EIIZABETH,

Will you ever forgive me? Point is that most economist, particularly in the US, have a political interest so the result is that they simply change the variables to support pre-determined outcomes…..for every LIB that says reduced taxes results in less revenue, I can find one that convincingly counters…

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The funny thing is you present that 9.9% number as if increasing spending that much in a recession when receipts are down is a good thing.

How many ou you people increase your spending by 9.9% when you’re already short on paying your bills?

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Still waiting for evidence of a single “bad Bush policy” that created the recession and has been reversed by Obama… Surely Obama would have reversed those bad policies by now, right?

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‘for every LIB that says reduced taxes results in less revenue, I can find one that convincingly counters…’

But you can look at the ACTUAL RESULTS back through Reagan’s two terms and see that it is total BS…

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Hey jay, I can’t find anything on the AJC web site about Clinton taking the heat for Libya security lapse. Can you post a link?

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Thank you for explaining the problem of this country in such simple terms, INCREASED spending

Well, you got that right. The sooner we cut Those People loose from the dole and get back to the Eisenhower days, the sooner we’ll be a great country. Those were good times. You worked or you starved. And if you got too old to work you just moved in with your kids. And if you got sick and never had health insurance you had the decency to die, instead of being a burden on hard-working taxpayers. And we never had the federal guvmint down here telling us how to handle Those People and giving us this Equal Rights spiel.

Ah, the good old days!

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Stevie Ray is competing with Marty. A race to the bottom is always fun to watch.

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Japan has been in a recession for 20 years. Ireland, Greece and Iceland all went under due to the WORLD economic recession. Currently the IMF and other economic forecasters are warning that the austerity measures (the same measures being trumpeted by the republicans) has put Europe on the brink of a second dip into recession and you on the right following the lead of the lying nominees you have offered up for leadership want to bash the man who is leading the only recovery of merit.

Why don’t you guy’s just take your freedom of choice denying, Barack Obama hating, voter suppression supporting agenda and join the Taliban? You guy’s have a lot in common.

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Jay, 2008 was boosted by lots of stimulus. Shouldn’t you take 2007 as your base year, pre-stimulus? Or are you saying it’s okay that Obama has taken what was supposed to be a one-time save the economy spending measure, and added that to his base level of spending?

Use some honest numbers that don’t use the stimulus as base spending, then we’ll talk.

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Why don’t you guy’s just take your freedom of choice denying, Barack Obama hating, voter suppression supporting agenda and join the Taliban?

Because the Taliban isn’t interested in a bunch of doughy pantloads who are scared of their own shadows, that’s why.

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Ben:

He can’t use honest numbers Ben. Then his narrative that Obama has been fiscal will be thrown out the window. Sane, informed people take Jay’s tripe for what it is. BS…

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“W’s whole point was that it would be worth every penny to nationbuild a free Iraq. He argued that the beacon of freedom would light the way for many other countries”

“Let me tell you what else I’m worried about: I’m worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place.”
George W. Bush

“I mean, are we going to have some kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not.”
George W. Bush

” and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. ”
George W. Bush

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The poo slinging picked up.

The gop are losing again.

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Lord Help Us @9:49
“Let me guess…you voted twice for the guy that gave us a ,’decade of…insanely inflated spending’ ”
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With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, can you honestly suggest how to avoid doing that, other than a throwaway vote or staying home on Election Day? Vote for Gore and Kerry? Seriously?! I voted for W twice, but I wanted to hold my nose the second time. The first time, I didn’t know the budget would increase as much as it did.

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I dont believe R or D both are incredible corrupt I will vote for gary johnson or Rocky Anderson they have good solutions strategic plan they dont take money from corporete and lobbying. We never have a good change R or D stop voting for the same.

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‘The first time, I didn’t know the budget would increase as much as it did.’

Simple math could take the tax cuts, plus the two wars at that point, plus the medicare expansion and easily come up with the result…

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JESUS,

Here are three reads you may enjoy that offer a left, a right, and a middle overview of the corrupted nature of our broken government..

Glenn Greenwald: Liberty & Justice for a Few
Schweitzer: Throw Them All Out
Lessing: Republic Lost

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Its laughable that Jay toys and manipulates data and his followers actually believe it.

Jay is actually Karl Rove in disguise — without the spiked heels, lipstick and drag outfit though.

In Karl’s defense, he only dresses like that for “special” appearances. (wink, wink)

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Ben: Jay, 2008 was boosted by lots of stimulus.

the stimulus bill was signed AFTER October 1 – when a new Fiscal Year, (2009) came into play.

Ben: Use some honest numbers that don’t use the stimulus as base spending, then we’ll talk.

You want honest numbers?!!? You want honest numbers?!? You can’t HANDLE any honest numbers!!!

Honestly – GWB took a $6T surplus and squandered it in 60 days. Honest.

Honestly – the US deficit did not reach $1 trillion until 1981 which was the start of the Ronald Reagan presidency. Honest.

Honestly – Bush and Cheney used a series of tax cuts which were shown to benefit only the wealthiest of Americans while middle class incomes declined from 2001 through 2009. Honest.

Honestly – corporations have continued to have record numbers of profits while an extension of the Bush era tax cuts resulted in the creation of only 18,000 jobs in June 2011. Honestly.

Is that honest enough for ya?

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a left, a right, and a middle

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Balance_fallacy

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“Yes, Pea.”

Thanks.

The rest of that comment was blah blah, excuses, and some good ‘ol sugar coating.

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ByteMe — “Yes. I’ve even seen them on PBS here (or maybe it was CSPAN). It’s really breath-taking to watch, because they get really snarky. Think of it like a “town hall debate”, except half the questions are from people who hate your guts AND you get to respond to it in kind.”

They’re on CSPAN, and the last time I checked, they aired on Sunday evenings.

Each time I see it, I’m amazed by the ‘proper’ behavior of the British MPs and how it mixes with the barely-disguised contempt some MPs obviously have for each other (and for the Prime Minister). You’ll hear things like ‘my right honorable friend is not only mistaken, but also lying.’ And there’s lots of noisy murmuring and talking over each other. It’s like a Congressional cocktail party after everyone present is at least two or three drinks into the evening’s festivities.

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‘Election Day 2004 I’ll believe, but I already said I wanted to hold my nose while casting my vote.’

Okay, well given what you know now, perhaps you should hold your nose and vote for Obama…that is unless you see huge tax cuts, huge defense spending increase and neocon foreign policy as having a DIFFERENT result this time than it did LAST TIME!

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“Keep raising taxes and those that provide the capital for our economy will stop producing or take their expertise to another country.”

Hint, they already have. Screw them.

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did bush cheney step up on cia agent outing?

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Heyward, here are those comments you’ve cherry picked @ 10.26, in context:

We want to go to Barack Obama now he is campaigning in Roseburg, Oregon at that event. You just heard the sound bite in which he addressed Senator Kennedy. Here is the senator from Illinois who is now taking on the front-runner status almost without question at this point, talking about green technologies and how that may affect the job picture here in Oregon.

And, you know, John McCain, for him to come to Oregon as an environmental president, but his big strategy is to do more drilling and to have a gas tax holiday for three months, that’s a phony solution. You know, you can’t — John McCain has consistently been opposed to fuel efficiency standards, raising fuel efficiency standards on cars. How is he going to meet any of these targets? Maybe he’s imagining it the way he did imaging getting out of the war in Iraq. You know? We — we need somebody with a plan. And who is willing to talk to the American people about these difficulties and how we’re going to get through these challenges together.

Kindly tell me why you disagree with the sentiments expressed by then-candidate Obama.

thanks in advance.

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did bush cheney step up on wmd failures?

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‘I consider the “huge tax cuts” and “huge defense spending increase” less likely than you do, but I’ll keep my eyes and ears open.’

Make sure you do not listen to or read Romney’s own campaign that promises those exact items…

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“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen.”–Comrade Obama

Pasha Obama enroute… Forward Soviet indeed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jO763sSAnM

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‘ The “neocon foreign policy” puzzles me, though. ‘

If the term confuses you then take a look at the foreign policy team under Bush, look at the results of that team…then look at the foreign policy advisers to Romney.

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mark in mid-town @ 8:54

Jay, the recession officially ended well over 3 years ago. You know very well that the steeper the recession, the stronger the economic recovery is supposed to be. Obama did inherit a very steep recession. That set him up to potentially have a remarkably strong recovery. That the recovery has been so abysmally weak by any historic measure is how Obama’s policies should be judged.

Still reading through the comments, so excuse me if somebody’s already made this point. Look at the previous recessions since Reagan’s terms and compare post recession government spending vs this last recession. Obama’s recovery period is the only one in recent history where government spending did NOT significantly increase.

If you want to know why this recovery isn’t like the rest of them, then look at the spending. Our economy does best when we consume or spend.

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If you look at the Federal Debt every year, it never dropped from the previous year.

There IS this thing called “interest” that accumulates even if there is not a single cent added to the debt.

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That was some debate there Pea.

Yaaaaawn.

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Taxpayer – Ten percent is ten percent.

to level the playing field you would have us all paying in percentages…a gallon of gas or a jar of peanut butter should cost everyone ~2% of their income, that way there is no advantage to being wealthy and no penalty for being poor and we all essentially make the same income regardless of our contributions…it can’t get much fairer than that huh?

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The “neocon foreign policy” puzzles me, though. ‘

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Under Bush the second we started two wars. Neocons are people that think we should use war as foriegn policy.
Look up neoconservatives and read up on them, who they are and how they think. That will remove your confusion.

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Stevie Ray, et al,

Let’s discuss the numbers, the actual numbers. Tables 2.1 and 3.2 are quite interesting. None of your rhetoric. Just the numbers. Can you handle it.

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Election Day 2004 I’ll believe, but I already said I wanted to hold my nose while casting my vote.

Well, I only went to the 5th grade but even I can recognize a dumbbell when I see one. And I bet he’d hold his nose and vote that way a 3rd time too. Sometimes I can see that the abortion rights people might have a point. Too bad it’s illegal to do it after the birth.

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If the term confuses you then take a look at the foreign policy team under Bush, look at the results of that team…then look at the foreign policy advisers to Romney.
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That will tell me about the similarity of Romney’s advisers to Bush’s advisers. The part of it I don’t get is your use of “neocon.” Once again, what do their previous liberal or socialist beliefs have to do with current foreign policy? Would you prefer for Romney to pick advisers who have always been conservative? I’m still trying to figure out what difference that makes.

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Romney tax plan finally revealed, click link for details.

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

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‘Would you prefer for Romney to pick advisers who have always been conservative? I’m still trying to figure out what difference that makes.’

Dude, you are either hopelessly naive or playing stupid…do the names Cofer Black, Michael Hayden, Dan Senor, Josh Bolton or John Lehman mean anything to you? If you can find one of these guys that has ever been a ‘liberal’ please show me.

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Yeah, getalife, I guess no one else is with me.

Fair enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCGvONbVCa0

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I’ll ask again. Is the austerity philosophy (again the plan being offered by the right) proving fruitful for those who have implemented these policies, or is the world looking at what OUR PRESIDENT (without the help of the 7% approval rated congress) has done?

Job growth, housing recovering, consumer confidence up, 30 million more Americans covered by health insurance.

Why do you guy’s hate America so much?

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TaxPayer – Some do choose to skirt it while others abide by it though. I, for one, have never had a Swiss bank account.

you completely ignored my point while trying to take a swipe at Romney..or the rates rates of the wealthy
legal tax loopholes are legal and not considered skirting the system, it’s actually meeting your legal obligation…I for one have never driven a pontiac

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Why can’t we have a day where each poster says one nice thing about the other party?

Joe Biden has nice teeth.

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Moonhbat,

Try after the relection of our President when the cons are in a better mood.

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Oscar @10:43
Look up neoconservatives and read up on them, who they are and how they think. That will remove your confusion.
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Except for “who they are,” I already did. See my link @10:35. Some food for thought: Given the choice between moderate conservatives and further-right conservatives (and I realize there are other choices), which ones would you prefer to have making foreign policy and other decisions? Also, which of those groups actually fits the definition of neoconservative?

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godless,

I think our President wins the last two debates.

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get – I think our President wins the last two debates.

that’s the best he can hope for ’cause he completely got hammered in the first one

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Oscar @10:52
I took your advice. The top articles give longer versions of the definition in my 10:35 link. Once again, what does somebody’s previous liberal or socialist background have to do with the wisdom, or lack of it, in his or her current beliefs?

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southpaw

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Obviously I would prefer the moderates. But don’t see what that has to do with the question. But I am not sure we agree on who the moderates are and who the far right is.
My problem with the neos is their penchant for starting wars and their ideas about the military and use of the military.

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Stevie Ray: I disagree…I’m not for increasing taxes per Obama simply to find another group (in addition to congress and Bush) to demonize for political gain..the increase will only fill 6% of our hole…what will he do with the other 94%?

So, what’s your opinion on the fact that, to date, the only group that has been demonized and forced to contribute towards debt repayment has been federal workers to the tune of $75 Billion over 10 years? The increase Obama supports and you opposes would generate ten times that much over the same time period.

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“Once again, what does somebody’s previous liberal or socialist background have to do with the wisdom, or lack of it, in his or her current beliefs?”

the child is the father of the man

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Tonight, I hope Obama follows Biden’s lead from last week.

Great strategy! lol

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Miss Understood
October 16th, 2012
10:13 am

Do us a favor, if you can’t answer the question, don’t.

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Note I didn’t say “who wins the debate” but “who won”.

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Blame Obama for four deaths in Libya. But don’t blame Bush for nearly 3,000 deaths in New York.
In that statement and others, Cheney invoked every excuse he and his allies now deride in the Libya fiasco. The warnings weren’t specific enough. Broad analyses of persistent dangers aren’t actionable. Warnings from our people on the ground didn’t “trickle up to the presidential level.” Connecting the dots isn’t the president’s job. It’s a failure of the “system.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/10/blame_obama_for_the_libya_consulate_attack_but_don_t_blame_bush_for_9_11.2.html

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I hope our president doesn’t get made a fool of again.

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TAXPAYER

Good stuff thanks..I’m trying to look at most of the tables…what I note so far is that as a percentage of GDP, receipts remain the same despite estimated doubling of tax increases by 2017…

So tax receipts both in terms of individual and corporate rates are both projected to double between 2001 and 2017….it is also important to see what assumptions they are making relative to the total number of taxpayers between the periods, timing estimates relative to how long it takes for changes in reciepts to take effect, and most importantly economic growth…

I will continue to look at these as my opinion may change or it may be reinforced or it may further suggest that nobody really knows what they are doing..

get back to you later today..good stuff..

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Do us a favor, if you can’t answer the question, don’t.

psst RB?

You should probably get in touch with the Savannah Morning News webmasters. They, too, are in on the massive cover-up.

and ZOMG! Galveston’s Daily News–that’s Ron Paul territory! Dr. Paul is in on the fix as well.

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A “spending inferno” arises from wasteful non-military spending increases. In the case of Chauncey, his waste is primarily in the realm of increased regulators, who have the double-whammy of increasing expenditures and depressing the real economy. Also, always be sure to omit the Obama “stimulus” which occurred in the last year “attributable” to President Bush when attempting to measure Obama’s “contribution” to American well-being..

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The prosecution results so far have been encouraging: To date, approximately 150 investigations of offshore-banking clients have been initiated, of which 36 client cases have been charged, with 31 guilty pleas having been entered, 2 convicted after trial, and 5 awaiting trial. A number of facilitators who helped clients hide assets offshore at UBS and other banks have been indicted, resulting in 13 bankers and 2 attorneys being charged and awaiting trial, and one advisor and one banker being charged and convicted. In addition, investigations have been opened into numerous additional offshore banks across the world.

But the outcome cannot be measured in litigation results alone. This enforcement effort has dealt fabled Swiss bank secrecy a devastating blow and provided tools that should yield information on thousands of additional U.S. offshore account holders who have undisclosed accounts at UBS and other banks. Moreover, the publicity surrounding the Tax Division’s enforcement action and the subsequent settlement has already produced dramatic behavior changes. The IRS credits these two agreements with prompting an unprecedented number of taxpayers – nearly 18,000 in the 18-month period concluding in February 2011, in contrast to the fewer than 100 typical in previous years – to “come in from the cold” and voluntarily disclose to the IRS their previously hidden foreign accounts and also to agree to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the U.S. Treasury. The continuing prosecutions of foreign-account holders and their facilitators created a favorable atmosphere for the IRS to roll out a second voluntary disclosure program on February 8, 2011. Also, buoyed by our success in the United States, a number of European countries have pressed Switzerland to provide similar account information for their nationals.

I wonder if such efforts may have some bearing on some people’s desires to see an end to the Obama administration.

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Why can’t we have a day where each poster says one nice thing about the other party?

Okey-dokey.

Y’know, Michelle don’t sweat much for a fat woman.

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“Paul Ryan’s actual marathon time was decent.”

Then why would he need to lie? Pathology?

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Cheesy Grits – correlation does not imply causation

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Clinton only got us in one relatively cheap stunningly successful war instead of two horrifically botched every step of the way, expensive and failed ones.

And why no rational American should ever again trust GOP cowards, chickenhawks, swiftboating POSs and never-served neocons (hat tip RB) with the lives of their children…

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Couple of great lines in Dr. Sowell’s column today:

Not since the days of slavery have so many people believed themselves entitled to the fruit of the labor of another, without compensation, on either side of the Atlantic.

During entire Obama administration there has not been a single day in which the total number of people in private employment equaled that of the last day of the Bush administration.

(As to the latter, the leftists have yet to appreciate the reasons: (1) ObamaCare, with its pending employer mandates, (2) Dodd-Frank, with its uncontrolled roving regulators about to be unleased on the business world, and (3) the pending largest tax increase in the history of the world, now set to occur Jan 1, 2013. Or maybe they are just in denial.)

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Nice way to dodge the real story, Jay. If I spend $1 on Monday and spend $1.10 on Friday, you can say I only increased spending by 10%. But what you are not accounting for is that I spent $1.25 on Tues, $1.63 on Wed, and $1.19 on Thur. You can’t pick 2 points in time and say”Lookie here! I’m amazing!”

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I think the Rude Pundit sometimes goes a bit too far when criticizing conservative politicians.

His expectations of what ostensibly liberal politicians ought to say and do are a tad unrealistic.

That said–enjoy this, his latest: “What Obama Should Say 2012, Part 2 (Rude Version)”

If at tonight’s town hall presidential debate on CNN, some undecided voter in the audience asks Barack Obama to explain why the economy hasn’t improved quickly and he doesn’t say, “Well, that’s because you and many of your fellow voters were such pathetic pussies back in 2010. Let me explain this to you in simple terms since you are obviously brain-damaged or just plain dumb, or you just don’t give flying [fornication] about things like recent history or how the government actually works.

“See, in 2010, you voters decided that you were a bunch of cowards and you either stayed home or actually helped put Republicans into the majority in the House. This was on top of the mother[fornicators] in the Senate GOP who decided once Scott Brown was elected in January 2010 to filibuster pretty much everything that would actually help the economy. You did that, America. You decided that you were scared of the things I had campaigned on just back in 2008. the very things you voted me in to do. You believed the convenient lies of the Republicans, of the Tea Party, of Fox ‘news.’ Own that [excrement]. Own your mistakes.

[At this point I got tired of trying to clean it up, so just read the whole thing, please.]

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Come on libs. Surely you can come up with just one “bad Bush policy” that caused the recession and Obama has corrected to save us all, right?

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It’s amusing to watch the discussion on this forum which inevitably reduces the political world to the back-and-forth of partisanship in the narrowest sense. Meanwhile the ruling elite continue to manipulate and steer the two-party system to suit its needs, secure in the knowledge that the masses will be either satisfied or frustrated depending on whether their ’side’ in the conflict prevails or loses.

It’s a brilliant means of social control, this two-party system, and one almost has to grudgingly admire it, even while lamenting its terrible effects.

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dB

I have not read part 2 yet. Guess I need to get to reading.

I also noticed that Kessler gave Romney’s job plan the finger over at the WaPo today. It probably doesn’t amount to much since that campaign ignores fact checks and fact checkers anyway.

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That’s funny stands.@ 11:43

–Probably what Obama would like to say.

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” I believe I radically different order is possible. Partly because we’ve in fact had different ones in the past”

When you are speaking politically…keep this in mind: no matter what system you have, no matter how many parties you have…when it comes down to time to vote there are only *2* parties. Those who vote yes and those who vote no.

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The kiss of death:
G.W. Bush: Romney will make ‘great’ president.

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Economic numbers are up and unemployment is going down.

Easy choice.

Four more years!

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This is the s*t that makes me say, “and y’all want MORE of our tax dollars? Really?”

Well, whatever you do, don’t go and research the failure rate for new businesses. You’ll really sh*t your pants then. Definitely after you see how much the SBA helps businesses.

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dB @ 12:01

For some reason, I remember that one too!!!

I guess it was because of the mental imagery that it congures up.

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“The secretary of state tried to douse a political firestorm over the deadly assault on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, telling CNN she’s responsible for the security of diplomatic posts.”

Then she should resign.

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“Then she should resign.”

Agreed. There goes my write-in vote.

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Come on libs. Surely you can come up with just one “bad Bush policy” that caused the recession and Obama has corrected to save us all, right?

I told you — you didn’t like the answer — then you started whining about how I SHOULD answer a question — now you’re lieing and whining about no one WILL answer the question.

You’re more confusing than a drunken Rove at a male strip joint, with birth control pills in his pockets and a fistful of dollars.

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I think BaRocky is brave to get back into the ring tonight with Mormon Creed. BaRocky risks being belted with the words, “Obamaloney”, and “Voodoo Government”. There’s no comeback for that.

Yo, Arianna!

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correlation does not imply causation

Yet cons claim they have established causation without even first establishing a correlation, i.e., their claims that tax cuts increase tax revenues by limiting their discussion to only the specific time frame that appears to support their claim while ignoring all those other inconvenient truths. I note that cons also like to use this technique to disprove global warming and any other thing they happen to disagree with.

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They see $16 Trillion ($5 trillion more than 2008) and that’s all that matters.

Exactly. (to many peeps) This sticks out like a sore thumb. Sorta like the wife or sig other ran the credit card up from $11k to 16k.
Doesn’t matter if it was for a good cause…….”I can explain” doesn’t wash.

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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 16th, 2012
12:09 pm

Should Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Rice, Powell…should any of them have resigned after 9/11? But they didn’t did they? And you weren’t calling for it were you?

We haven’t lost 3000+ American civilians under Obama. Obama didn’t plunge us into an economic calamity did he? Obama didn’t start two unnecessary wars and not pay for them did he?

You cons have no credibility. No wonder you support “Etch-a-Sketch” and the “1 minute miler”. You clowns are ridiculous?

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I am sure Al-Quaida is giving the GOP congratulations for giving them credit for the Libya murders. Kinda like that Ben Laden tape leaked out before the 2004 election. The boogey man is on the loose again and only the neocons can catch him. I am real scared! Thank God for GOP terrorist slayers.

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I looking for the spike on the graph where Bush spent all this money to fund two wars?? Or the spike on the graph when we had to pay for the unfunded Rx program

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He will drone the terrorists.

He will drone 3 or 4 Arabs riding through the desert in a Toyota and claim he got the ones that did the deed along with the #2 Al Queda leader.

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godless @ 12:40

If Obama does that, he would certainly be taking a page out of the Bush administration’s book.

Didn’t the #2 & #3 AQ guy in Iraq get killed 8 times each?

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The rude pundit is a hoot!

What did the previous president do? How’s about the ownership society and the mortgage scam, how’s about lax regulations from a-z. Lax regualtion or oversight on energy, banking, environment. Hell, just look at how they let enron screw the whole state of california. Republicans could care less about the shrinking middle class, it is not their true base, which is millionaires and billionaires, they can have them…

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It is not about how much spending has increased you IDIOT, it is about the size of the DEFICIT. Spoken like a true liberal journalist that doesn’t know which end is up.

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Didn’t the #2 & #3 AQ guy in Iraq get killed 8 times each?

O’man has gotten him several times also.

Well, that #2 AQ guy always gets it. He’s got a crappier life expectancy than an ST redshirt.

Of like Darth Vader’s 2nd guy in the original Star Wars movie. Not a job I’d want.

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-142816396–election.html

You can tell when people are really out of touch with reality when they do something like ummm….. scrub clean dishes for the sake of getting an action photo shot of doing manual labor.

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stands for decibels

October 16th, 2012
12:46 pm

Remember the Jessica Lynch story the Bush administration tried to spin. Remember when she came out and said “Wow when did that happen? I would have liked to have seen that movie”. Or the administrations hero building of Pat Tillman who it turned out had been killed by friendly fire.

You con’s need to stop all the nit picking of everything this administration does because you’ve got an 8 year cluster ***k that can be called up in an instant.

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““It’s not income so much as it is education. The higher the education level, the more likely they are to vote Democratic.”

Is that why a college degree is not worth so much these days!

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I knew sfd had some good in him!

Over at Kyle’s, I think about how I regard those who come in *here* heaping scorn upon the blog-host and insulting regulars, and try my best not to act in a similar fashion. I adopted a similar approach to Jim Wooten’s column, years back.

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godless

Then he has already used that page. Those dudes have been killed 10 or 12 times each.

Joking aside, I’m sure that the US military has actually killed their #2 & #3 guy numerous times, however I do wonder how many times the public was told that and it was speculation or bs.

That goes for Obama as well. Hate to be that cynical but it is good p.r. when it hits the news.

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rb

Let’s not forget the trillion dollar tax cuts and medicare part d which was unfunded. There’s a whole laundry list of the previous administrations backward policy leading toward more debt. The biggest blunder? Iraq war, hands down a trillion dollar plus misadventure that vaults iran into the regional power, way to go george…

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Willie, that’s what credit cards are for, don’t you know?

It’s called digging your way out of a hole.

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TaxPayer – I note that cons also like to use this technique to disprove global warming and any other thing they happen to disagree with

Have you seen Burt Rutan’s analysis of GCC?

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stimulus $ and supplemental budgets and ADDED them to the 2009 BUDGET

you do realize that the Recovery Act funds didn’t just get dumped into the economy all at once, that it’s taken years to distribute… right?

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stands for decibels

October 16th, 2012
1:21 pm
I heard they were all gay!

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I suupport A single payer madicare reform for all heathcare s ystem and replacing free trade agreement to bring back jobs lost to other countries for ship labor.

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Mick, are you saying those things cause the financial collapse?

I agree Bush spent too much. Do you agree Obama is too?

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mick- Let’s not forget the trillion dollar tax cuts and medicare part d which was unfunded.

Good thing they were repealed by obama and his Democrat congress.

oops…

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Joe told us the gop are full of crap and lie so find one thing the gop told the truth .

Good luck with that.

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“Lets have a few moments of silence for the four she had murdered”

Have you no honor, sir?

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Karl Marx. Never been more relevant.

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getalife: “The cons don’t even know the facts about Libya but cry about a cover up.”

Both parties are nervous as hell because they can’t risk this blowing the cover on the whole “War on Terror” fraud, so they’re desperately trying to spin it as a narrow political election-related intrigue. What will the American people think when it sinks in that we’ve been arming the very people we’ve supposedly been sending our sons and daughters to their deaths to fight?

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RB from Gwinnett
October 16th, 2012
1:38 pm
I hate it when I start to read a post, notice its just plain stupid, and then realize I’ve failed to skip over one of Getaclue’s posts.

I know what you mean….. I just can’t believe that you get me. I feel the same way about yours and a few others.

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The American people have not yet been brought face to face with the fact, colossal in its implications, that the marriage between capitalism and democracy is over.

But the process is beginning.

And if Ryan/Romney win, that process will speed up, considerably.

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rb

I think it is disengenious to tag obama with all the debt that has accumulated. Yes, the stimulus was 800 billion and I was all for it. The stimulus did what it was supposed to do in stopping unemployment in the low 8%. I know one lady who has since resigned said it would lower unemployment to 6% and that’s where obama keeps getting taken to task for. Really, congress is the main culprit, not the president, they make the budget and the laws…

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A couple of questions here, Jay, have you ever served in any form of the military. A serious question, not meant to demean you in any way. Getalife, same question for you, thanks for the response.

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Keep, 1:47,

Google is your friend.

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Tom,

No.

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getalife, 1:47,

Internet companies? Perhaps, but they were not funded with taxpayer dollars by a sitting president who is awful at picking winners and losers. How can a loser like him pick winners? Romney will score with this tonight.

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yaker

“We were surprised by the claim that “about half” of the companies went out of business. As we have written before, an independent review of the Department of Energy loan and loan guarantee programs found that the failure rate was lower than Congress had expected.

When we asked the Romney campaign for information on this claim, we were told that it refers only to companies that received so-called section 1705 loans — a program created by the stimulus. A second program — the so-called section 1703 loan program — was created under the Bush administration, but loans were approved by the current administration. Also, Romney counted only section 1705 loan guarantees approved in the Obama administration’s first two years — ignoring the past two years.

Romney did not say any of that during the debate.

By limiting his scope to just the first two years of the program, Romney arrives at seven companies and three of them — including Solyndra — have filed for bankruptcy protection. The others were Beacon Power, which received a loan guarantee of $43 million, and Abound Solar, which was approved for a $400 million loan but borrowed only $70 million against that. So, combined the three companies were approved for a total of $978 million in U.S.-backed loans and borrowed $648 million of that.

But there were a total of 26 companies that received approval for $16 billion in loan guarantees under the section 1705 program. So, 11.5 percent of the companies — not half — have filed for bankruptcy. And those companies were approved for a little more than 6 percent of the $16 billion in total loan guarantees.

Two other companies were awarded a total of $10.3 billion in loan guarantees by the Obama administration under the section 1703 program. So, if you count them, the bankruptcy rate would fall to under 11 percent, and the money at risk drops to about 4 percent.

The money loaned to Solyndra is largely lost, and it is unclear how much if any the U.S. will recover of the $70 million borrowed by Abound. However, as we wrote before, the government expects to recover as much as 70 percent of the $43 million it guaranteed to Beacon Power.

Also, as part of that same statement above, Romney said that the $90 billion “would have hired 2 million teachers.” (That means the teachers would receive a total compensation of $45,000 — including benefits, and are hired for only one year. The median pay for elementary teachers is about $51,000.)

But here’s the problem with Romney’s math: The $90 billion isn’t all grant money. Some of that money was in the form of loans. It included, for example, $3.25 billion in additional borrowing authority for the Bonneville Power Authority.

You can’t pay teachers in loans.

There is a cost to the government for guaranteeing loans, as the Romney campaign was quick to note. But it is only a fraction of the value of each loan.”

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Occupation,

Well, they made a movie about it so some know but most turned off politics because it is ugly and stinks to high heaven.

The saddest part is not uniting after a attack so if mitt wins and there is another attack Americans will attack mitt. The cons set a horrible precedent with this President.

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Obama will Biden their behinds tonight.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_zs05rHC5k

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Keep, 1:52,

If a blank check means doubling down on failures and pouring more money into these financial disasters, even after they were obviously not going to survive, so be it. We are talking about billions here, Keep. Spent by a president who doesn’t know his ass from third base about solar energy and couldn’t pick a winner if he counted to ten backwards. Political paybacks, financing a pipe dream, building glorified golf carts…. doesn’t any of this piss off a liberal taxpayer? Are you so in the tank for this sorry excuse for a president that you just ignore the obvious? No wonder this country is in trouble.

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kay,

Show me the list of companies still in business.I know you will not because you focus on the negative and ignore the positive. That is not intellectual honesty. That bs Joe Biden called you out.

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Not sure why kay is upset because he fights for government waste like big oil welfare and tax cuts for Americans that don’t need them.

kay must be another con hypocrite.

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getalife- Thanks Next question, are you retired and what type of occupation were you in? Just trying to figure out why there is such wealth envy of high-achievers in life. I just have trouble understanding people who choose not to want to earn what you achieve in life. Most of you libs do not seem like bad people but apparently you believe in sharing someone else’s success financially. Why?

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Speaking of those entrepreneurial jerb-creators…

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-16/nfib-backs-todd-akin-despite-legitimate-rape-remarks

The National Federation of Independent Business’s home page today is adorned with a pink ribbon next to its logo and a promotion celebrating women business owners. What most visitors won’t find is the group’s endorsement of Todd Akin, the Missouri Senate candidate whose August remarks about “legitimate rape” made conservatives from Mitt Romney to Karl Rove run the other way.

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The saddest part is not uniting after a attack so if mitt wins and there is another attack Americans will attack mitt.

snort. The wusses in the Democratic party, attacking a Godly War Preznit?

Go on, pull the other one.

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…don’t get me wrong, there’ll be a few guys who’d stand up and risk being called “America-haters” for criticizing the next Gooper-Prez, but there’ll be damned few.

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Thank God we still have Rasmussen.

Looks like the godless commies might’ve got to Rassy as well.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll

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mighty

If you’re going to handicap one president, shouldn’t you do them all? How much did the iraqi misadventure cost us in blood and treasure? I’m sure no banker would’ve signed off that one…

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mr,

Economic numbers are better than expected and unemployment is dropping so you can stop lying about the economy.

What else you got?

Libya? You don’t even know the facts.

You got nothing mr.

Nothing but lies.

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If we would stop saying GOVT SPENDING, and instead say it is the TAX PAYING CITIZENS money. That would strike a nerve with most decent people. Moochers is a term I do not use lightly. If people are down we should be willing to offer a helping hand to get them back on their feet but not to establish a way of life of dependency for them!!

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Bush deficits = mortgaging our children’s future, bankrupting our nation
Obama deficits = sound investments saving us from economic disaster

Bush tax cuts = caused economic collapse
Obama extends Bush tax cuts = sound economic policy

Liberals are so funny.

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” and instead say it is the TAX PAYING CITIZENS money”

Not true. Once you’ve paid your taxes it is the government’s money. Just as your salary is YOURS once you’ve been paid. It no longer is your employer’s money.

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“cons are going to lose”

Conservatives win in life regardless of who wins the white house.

Liberals lose in life regardless of who wins the white house.

All the libs who danced in the streets when Obama was elected are still broke and jobless four years later. Government dependence is a losing strategy.

Libs have really thick skulls.

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getailife:

“The saddest part is not uniting after a attack so if mitt wins and there is another attack Americans will attack mitt. The cons set a horrible precedent with this President”

The thing to watch is Iran. How are they going to get consent manufactured for the catastrophe that Iran is going to be?

Another major attack would do it. Not that they’d necessarily stage it – but they may not have to.

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16 million added to food stamp rolls in four years.

Libs call that progress.

Ben laughs at silly little libs.

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“if Joe wasn’t intoxicated he showed sings of dementia.”

You could say the same of any lib.

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“Our economy is back.”

Do you snort that cocaine, or smoke it?

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ben is jm and I laugh at jm’s lies like Biden.

Occupation,

The neocons are back with mitt so if he wins, they will occupy Iran .

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There is some discussion here about the success rate of investing in green energy. We should compare that to black energy. According to the petroleum industry about 55% of exploratory wells discover oil. About 90% of development wells actually produce oil. So, the best this industry can do is succeed about 50% of the time. Where is the outrage toward the guys that drill dry wells?
Green energy investments are more like venture capital investments. When one of these investments really hits, it will begin the conversion to green energy in a very serious way. Something like when we converted from whale oil to black energy. The successful developers of black energy (Rockefeller) became one of the wealthiest families in America and changed the American economy in the process. The same will happen, when someone finds the same success with green energy. By the way, I’m sure most of the first wells were dry.

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stevie,

rw bs.

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Looks like the Ohio voters won another one:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/16/high-court-allows-early-voting-in-ohio/?hpt=hp_t2

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ben

The country is pretty diverse except for one dimensional characters such as yourself. The libs as you say, are not a monolithic grouping although thats the way they exist in your one dimension. No, politics and opinions are a bit more complex, we’ll greet you if you can ever move to the next level or three dimensions…

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Michael

Oil produces usable cheap energy which was discovered without government help. Solar, and wind do not work! They are costly and ineficient. If and when someone discovers a reasonably priced alternative to oil the market will support it. Until then the government who can’t even run a consulate in Libya should butt the hell out and quit wasting our money.

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mr,

Government welfare for big oil started when?

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**Until then the government who can’t even run a consulate in Libya**

Rather telling that you focus on one incident as if that were the norm, how are all the other consulates in the world faring? It’s a joke that all blame needs to be focused on your domestic enemy obama. You should be praying he gets re-elected that way you’ll have four more years to blame someone for all your imagined ills…

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stevie,

Seriously?

That was weak.

You can do better than that.

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GETALIFE,

How exactly do we come together after the murder of one of our most successful ambassadors and 3 others? That may have been the case had the communication between BO and HIS appointees was worth a flip…just like rushing out to spike the ball within hours of getting OBL (too bad we didn’t have a couple weeks with the data before he rushed to take credit) he immediately left town on self serving business not even meeting with anyone in the State department …or anyone else I can identify..this much was confirmed by deflection by Axelrod sunday. We do know that the state department knew within 24 hours that this was exclusively a well planned terrorist attack with nothing to do with video…both parties are using or in BO”s case attempted to use this for political gain in an election year…

The Libyan ambassador requested additional security (which would have followed him between the embassy and Benghazi) and despite your deflecting re GOP cuts, we certainly had the money to cover this request…bad optics for BO..the entire ME is bad optics for BO..

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GETALIFE,

Please provide some facts to back up you allegations…are you capable? If you want to talk the success of BO”s failed ME policy or green stimulus venture capital investments let’s go…prove me wrong.

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Figures don’t lie; only the people who use them do. Take the national debt when Obummer started and the debt today. 16 Trillion dollars vs. X trillion back prior to 2009. That’s a lot of debt. Take the average household. In 2009 I owed 12 xxxdreds dollars, and today I owe 16 xxxdreds dollars. Yet, my total income has not gone up to cover the 2009 debt, therefore I am not better off and I am deeper in debt and I owe my soul to the country store. Unsustainable is still unsustainable only deeper.

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Well, I say we capture this #2 al Queda guy and waterboard him till he gives us the secret of Eternal Life. This guy’s been killed about 20 times and he keeps coming back.

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What we know is we’ve been told two or three sifferent versions and, despite what Clinton said, simple logic tells you they can’t all be true. here’s the latest spin….”In the wake of an attack like this, in the fog of war, there’s always going to be confusion. And I think it is absolutely fair to say that everyone had the same intelligence. Everyone who spoke tried to give the information that they had. As time has gone on, that information has changed. We’ve gotten more detail, but that’s not surprising. That always happens.”
If you’re a party wanker you believe that BS. If you’re reasonable and independent, you realize it’s cover up spin. And that’s a fact!

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getalife:

On the way upstairs, but, on the neocons. While the neocons being in the driver’s seat is terrifying prospect, what we have now is not as far from their effective policy as we might like to think. We’re more subtle now than under the neocons in some ways, but that doesn’t mean that Democratic party FP is diametrically opposed to the neocons. It’s more a slight difference of emphasis and some tactical matters.

Stevie Ray: why are you so up in arms about a cover-up at the Benghazi embassy when what really ought to be scrutinized is our whole FP approach in the region?

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If Obama gets re elected more heroin will be brought across the border. More young girls will be abducted and sold into slavery. Manufacturers will drOp health insurance and all health care will be govt controlled. They will try to regulate everything you eat and drink. Smoke? Obese? Heart problems?Cancer? They got a panel for that. And they aren’t doctors. They’re IRS agents.

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[...] since we are in election season — yes, federal spending has increased under Obama. But this started LONG ago, so it’s everybody’s fault. [...]

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