So how much has Obama increased federal spending?
Mitt Romney has accused Barack Obama of igniting a “debt and spending inferno.” American Crossroads, the Karl Rove SuperPAC, says free spending by Obama “drove us $5 trillion deeper in debt.” Veep nominee Paul Ryan, who also chairs the House Budget Committee, this week accused Obama of stealing the next generation’s future with his spending spree.
All of that talk finally got me curious: Just how much HAS spending increased under President Obama? Put another way, what does a “debt and spending inferno” look like in numerical terms?
As the base year for this analysis, let’s take 2008, the last full year of George W. Bush’s presidency. You could make the argument for using 2009 as the base year, since the ‘09 spending bills had already been passed and fiscal 2009 was already almost four months underway by the time Obama took office. But to satisfy our conservative friends, we’ll take 2008 as a cleaner, less controversial starting point.
So, after adjusting for inflation, how much did federal spending increase from fiscal 2008 to fiscal 2012, which ended Oct. 1? Any guesses?
Just to give you some guidance in making that guess, federal spending under the sainted President Reagan grew by 9.6 percent from 1980 to 1984. (Again, all of these numbers are inflation-adjusted.) Under the second President Bush, with a largely Republican Congress, federal spending grew by 16.5 percent from 2000 to 2004.
So how much has it increased under Obama’s “spending inferno”? 25 percent? 35 percent?
The answer is 9.9 percent. Between 2008 and the recently completed fiscal 2012, total federal spending has increased by 9.9 percent, about the same amount as under Reagan and considerably less than under Bush.
The chart above explains a lot about how we got here. On the right-hand side, you can see the impact of the Great Recession. In inflation-adjusted terms, federal spending is up less than 10 percent from 2008, but federal revenue is down substantially, falling 18 percent from fiscal ‘08 to ‘09.
In the longer term, you can see the rate of spending growth pick up under Bush in 2001. You can see revenue falter as a result of a small recession in 2001, and then continue to slide as a result of the Bush tax cuts. Those tax cuts have permanently altered the revenue trajectory, and combined with the Great Recession account for much of our debt and deficit woes.
So, to get bring us back to where we started:
Spending growth of 9.6 percent makes you a great conservative hero.
Spending growth of 9.9 percent makes you a great conservative villain.
And spending growth of 16.5 percent, combined with large tax cuts, makes you a recent two-term president whom nobody in your party wants to mention, and sets your country on a financially dangerous glide path.
– Jay Bookman
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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 16th, 2012
11:14 am
TAXPAYER
Good stuff thanks..I’m trying to look at most of the tables…what I note so far is that as a percentage of GDP, receipts remain the same despite estimated doubling of tax increases by 2017…
So tax receipts both in terms of individual and corporate rates are both projected to double between 2001 and 2017….it is also important to see what assumptions they are making relative to the total number of taxpayers between the periods, timing estimates relative to how long it takes for changes in reciepts to take effect, and most importantly economic growth…
I will continue to look at these as my opinion may change or it may be reinforced or it may further suggest that nobody really knows what they are doing..
get back to you later today..good stuff..
TaxPayer
October 16th, 2012
11:15 am
Why should a rich guy pay less for a gallon of gas than you?
Erwin,
I don’t recall initiating any discussion regarding what we each pay for goods and services. But feel free to share your thoughts with us on the issue.
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
11:15 am
Do us a favor, if you can’t answer the question, don’t.
psst RB?
You should probably get in touch with the Savannah Morning News webmasters. They, too, are in on the massive cover-up.
and ZOMG! Galveston’s Daily News–that’s Ron Paul territory! Dr. Paul is in on the fix as well.
getalife
October 16th, 2012
11:18 am
godless,
I know.
Again, Joe destroyed their lies to set the stage for our President to finish them off.
It is not complicated and even some in the media are blasting mitt’s tax plan.
ragnar danneskjold
October 16th, 2012
11:19 am
A “spending inferno” arises from wasteful non-military spending increases. In the case of Chauncey, his waste is primarily in the realm of increased regulators, who have the double-whammy of increasing expenditures and depressing the real economy. Also, always be sure to omit the Obama “stimulus” which occurred in the last year “attributable” to President Bush when attempting to measure Obama’s “contribution” to American well-being..
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 16th, 2012
11:19 am
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/georgias-white-voters-elude-democrats/nSdq4/
Excellent article. Can be seen playing itself out right here.
“It’s not income so much as it is education. The higher the education level, the more likely they are to vote Democratic.”
TaxPayer
October 16th, 2012
11:21 am
The prosecution results so far have been encouraging: To date, approximately 150 investigations of offshore-banking clients have been initiated, of which 36 client cases have been charged, with 31 guilty pleas having been entered, 2 convicted after trial, and 5 awaiting trial. A number of facilitators who helped clients hide assets offshore at UBS and other banks have been indicted, resulting in 13 bankers and 2 attorneys being charged and awaiting trial, and one advisor and one banker being charged and convicted. In addition, investigations have been opened into numerous additional offshore banks across the world.
But the outcome cannot be measured in litigation results alone. This enforcement effort has dealt fabled Swiss bank secrecy a devastating blow and provided tools that should yield information on thousands of additional U.S. offshore account holders who have undisclosed accounts at UBS and other banks. Moreover, the publicity surrounding the Tax Division’s enforcement action and the subsequent settlement has already produced dramatic behavior changes. The IRS credits these two agreements with prompting an unprecedented number of taxpayers – nearly 18,000 in the 18-month period concluding in February 2011, in contrast to the fewer than 100 typical in previous years – to “come in from the cold” and voluntarily disclose to the IRS their previously hidden foreign accounts and also to agree to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the U.S. Treasury. The continuing prosecutions of foreign-account holders and their facilitators created a favorable atmosphere for the IRS to roll out a second voluntary disclosure program on February 8, 2011. Also, buoyed by our success in the United States, a number of European countries have pressed Switzerland to provide similar account information for their nationals.
I wonder if such efforts may have some bearing on some people’s desires to see an end to the Obama administration.
AmericaShrugged
October 16th, 2012
11:23 am
It’s just bad analysis and faulty logic to draw the conclusions I’m reading from the graph above. “All things being equal” that might be valid, but all the other things effecting spending and revenue were not equal. Did revenues grow faster than spending in 1995-200 leading to a surplus because of the tax increases during the Clinton administration? Partly yes. But probably even bigger factors were; 1) the dot.com bubble was expanding and business was booming increasing revenues 2) Clinton only got us in one relatively cheap war instead of two expensive ones and, 3) he didn’t need to do any porkulus bills or otherwise deal with recovering from recessions.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 16th, 2012
11:24 am
Why can’t we have a day where each poster says one nice thing about the other party?
Okey-dokey.
Y’know, Michelle don’t sweat much for a fat woman.
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
11:24 am
The only inferno going on in Obamaland is a Disco Inferno, baby.
Let’s all dance and get funky!
Have a good day everyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M
willie lynch
October 16th, 2012
11:28 am
“Paul Ryan’s actual marathon time was decent.”
Then why would he need to lie? Pathology?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 16th, 2012
11:29 am
RB — “Do us a favor, if you can’t answer the question, don’t.”
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Erwin's cat
October 16th, 2012
11:31 am
Cheesy Grits – correlation does not imply causation
Regnad Kcin
October 16th, 2012
11:32 am
“Why can’t we have a day where each poster says one nice thing about the other party?”
I truly believe that Ryan mis-spoke when asked about his marathon time…
JamVet
October 16th, 2012
11:32 am
Clinton only got us in one
relatively cheapstunningly successful war instead of two horrifically botched every step of the way, expensive and failed ones.And why no rational American should ever again trust GOP cowards, chickenhawks, swiftboating POSs and never-served neocons (hat tip RB) with the lives of their children…
southpaw
October 16th, 2012
11:36 am
Oscar @11:02
The definition in my 10:35 link points out that neoconservatives ARE moderate conservatives. If you want to call out a particular person on a bad decision or bad policy, by all means do so. But your stated preference for moderate conservatives, as opposed to more hard-core conservatives, means that–hard as this may be to believe–YOU PREFER NEOCONSERVATIVES. You undoubtedly know of some bad decision makers, whom you and others have labeled “neocons.” But consider what a neoconservative really is, and you will likely find that most of the people to whom you object don’t fit the description.
ragnar danneskjold
October 16th, 2012
11:36 am
Couple of great lines in Dr. Sowell’s column today:
Not since the days of slavery have so many people believed themselves entitled to the fruit of the labor of another, without compensation, on either side of the Atlantic.
During entire Obama administration there has not been a single day in which the total number of people in private employment equaled that of the last day of the Bush administration.
(As to the latter, the leftists have yet to appreciate the reasons: (1) ObamaCare, with its pending employer mandates, (2) Dodd-Frank, with its uncontrolled roving regulators about to be unleased on the business world, and (3) the pending largest tax increase in the history of the world, now set to occur Jan 1, 2013. Or maybe they are just in denial.)
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
11:37 am
Thanks to Clinton, we were ill prepared to defend the U.S. going into the 21st century.
Tom B
October 16th, 2012
11:41 am
Nice way to dodge the real story, Jay. If I spend $1 on Monday and spend $1.10 on Friday, you can say I only increased spending by 10%. But what you are not accounting for is that I spent $1.25 on Tues, $1.63 on Wed, and $1.19 on Thur. You can’t pick 2 points in time and say”Lookie here! I’m amazing!”
Joe Hussein Mama
October 16th, 2012
11:43 am
M. Betty — “Thanks to Clinton, we were ill prepared to defend the U.S. going into the 21st century.”
Just FYI, the first Washington figure to discuss the notion of a “peace dividend” in the 90s (from cutting the military) was Dick Cheney. And he said it *before* Desert Storm.
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-12-05/news/mn-5494_1_cold-war
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
11:43 am
I think the Rude Pundit sometimes goes a bit too far when criticizing conservative politicians.
His expectations of what ostensibly liberal politicians ought to say and do are a tad unrealistic.
That said–enjoy this, his latest: “What Obama Should Say 2012, Part 2 (Rude Version)”
If at tonight’s town hall presidential debate on CNN, some undecided voter in the audience asks Barack Obama to explain why the economy hasn’t improved quickly and he doesn’t say, “Well, that’s because you and many of your fellow voters were such pathetic pussies back in 2010. Let me explain this to you in simple terms since you are obviously brain-damaged or just plain dumb, or you just don’t give flying [fornication] about things like recent history or how the government actually works.
“See, in 2010, you voters decided that you were a bunch of cowards and you either stayed home or actually helped put Republicans into the majority in the House. This was on top of the mother[fornicators] in the Senate GOP who decided once Scott Brown was elected in January 2010 to filibuster pretty much everything that would actually help the economy. You did that, America. You decided that you were scared of the things I had campaigned on just back in 2008. the very things you voted me in to do. You believed the convenient lies of the Republicans, of the Tea Party, of Fox ‘news.’ Own that [excrement]. Own your mistakes.
[At this point I got tired of trying to clean it up, so just read the whole thing, please.]
Appleseed
October 16th, 2012
11:44 am
Least we forget.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/mitt-romney-debate-cheating-video/
RB from Gwinnett
October 16th, 2012
11:45 am
Come on libs. Surely you can come up with just one “bad Bush policy” that caused the recession and Obama has corrected to save us all, right?
Common Sense
October 16th, 2012
11:46 am
“Erwin,
Were you being serious when you suggested that I would have us all paying a price for goods and services based on our net worth or income.”
Ahhh, but we do.
How many pre-tax dollars does someone who makes $250k a year have to pay for their groceries relative to someone making 75k a year-for the very same basket of groceries?
Welcome to the Occupation
October 16th, 2012
11:48 am
It’s amusing to watch the discussion on this forum which inevitably reduces the political world to the back-and-forth of partisanship in the narrowest sense. Meanwhile the ruling elite continue to manipulate and steer the two-party system to suit its needs, secure in the knowledge that the masses will be either satisfied or frustrated depending on whether their ’side’ in the conflict prevails or loses.
It’s a brilliant means of social control, this two-party system, and one almost has to grudgingly admire it, even while lamenting its terrible effects.
Doggone/GA
October 16th, 2012
11:50 am
“It’s a brilliant means of social control, this two-party system, and one almost has to grudgingly admire it, even while lamenting its terrible effects”
Hate to break it to you, but ALL forms of organizations that involve more than one person are a means of social control. ALL of them
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
11:51 am
dB
I have not read part 2 yet. Guess I need to get to reading.
I also noticed that Kessler gave Romney’s job plan the finger over at the WaPo today. It probably doesn’t amount to much since that campaign ignores fact checks and fact checkers anyway.
Peadawg
October 16th, 2012
11:51 am
Another company that got federal grants goes under
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/battery-builder-a123-won-249-million-federal-grant-143806554.html
This is the s*t that makes me say, “and y’all want MORE of our tax dollars? Really?”
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
11:53 am
That’s funny stands.@ 11:43
–Probably what Obama would like to say.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 16th, 2012
11:54 am
Doggone/GA: “Hate to break it to you, but ALL forms of organizations that involve more than one person are a means of social control. ALL of them”
I would agree. But that doesn’t mean that all forms of it are ultimately the same. I believe I radically different order is possible. Partly because we’ve in fact had different ones in the past.
Doggone/GA
October 16th, 2012
11:56 am
” I believe I radically different order is possible. Partly because we’ve in fact had different ones in the past”
When you are speaking politically…keep this in mind: no matter what system you have, no matter how many parties you have…when it comes down to time to vote there are only *2* parties. Those who vote yes and those who vote no.
RB from Gwinnett
October 16th, 2012
11:56 am
Peadaqg, “This is the s*t that makes me say, “and y’all want MORE of our tax dollars? Really?””
They only want more of OTHER PEOPLE’S tax dollars
TiredOfIt
October 16th, 2012
11:56 am
The kiss of death:
G.W. Bush: Romney will make ‘great’ president.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 16th, 2012
11:58 am
[At this point I got tired of trying to clean it up, so just read the whole thing, please.]
But…but…but…libs are supposed to be tolerant and I’m offended ’cause __________ (Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, Ingraham) told me I should be and they would never be intolerant.
getalife
October 16th, 2012
11:59 am
Economic numbers are up and unemployment is going down.
Easy choice.
Four more years!
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
12:01 pm
That’s funny stands.@ 11:43
–Probably what Obama would like to say.
Glad you appreciate humor for humor’s sake.
I don’t know for a fact that President Obama reads Rude Pundit, but I’m pretty damn sure someone close to him must.
Rude has had a regular series of “What So-and-so should say” going back to 2004. You might find his advice for John Edwards somewhat amusing, if you’re willing to suspend disbelief in the face of the anatomically impossible.
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
12:02 pm
This is the s*t that makes me say, “and y’all want MORE of our tax dollars? Really?”
Well, whatever you do, don’t go and research the failure rate for new businesses. You’ll really sh*t your pants then. Definitely after you see how much the SBA helps businesses.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 16th, 2012
12:04 pm
Ross Perot endorses Mitt Romney.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/10/ross-perot-backs-mitt-romney-138550.html
Cue the “giant sucking sound” jokes.
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
12:04 pm
dB @ 12:01
For some reason, I remember that one too!!!
I guess it was because of the mental imagery that it congures up.
independent thinker
October 16th, 2012
12:04 pm
Cons could care less what the facts are. All they know is what Karl Rove, Romney, Ryan and the media mouthpieces tell them. JM cites a GOP article that states Obama increased spending more than last five presidents Problem is it is based on percentage of GDP not actual spending with a down economy.. Cons will believe any garbage so you are wasting your time Jay. What really matters is Bain Capital which has Romney as an investor is still shipping jobs overseas and Romney is profiting off of this. His taxes will come down under his tax plan so that disqualifies him to be president- and if we had all his tax returns we could see how badly he has
screwed the government over with aggressive tax planning. There is nothing in this man’s background that would lead a rational person to believe he or his entire family would put US interests above there personal gain and safety.
Of course it is easy to disregard all that and make up Obozo fairy tales.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 16th, 2012
12:09 pm
“The secretary of state tried to douse a political firestorm over the deadly assault on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, telling CNN she’s responsible for the security of diplomatic posts.”
Then she should resign.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 16th, 2012
12:10 pm
NBC News: “Squeeze on Obama as Romney gains momentum”
Peadawg
October 16th, 2012
12:11 pm
“Then she should resign.”
Agreed. There goes my write-in vote.
getalife
October 16th, 2012
12:13 pm
Hillary ended the Libya attack on our President.
It is all speculation and the cons look silly.
Our President will point out this fact in the debate.
He will drone the terrorists.
Bet on it.
Miss Understood
October 16th, 2012
12:13 pm
Come on libs. Surely you can come up with just one “bad Bush policy” that caused the recession and Obama has corrected to save us all, right?
I told you — you didn’t like the answer — then you started whining about how I SHOULD answer a question — now you’re lieing and whining about no one WILL answer the question.
You’re more confusing than a drunken Rove at a male strip joint, with birth control pills in his pockets and a fistful of dollars.
getalife
October 16th, 2012
12:15 pm
I would not be surprised if our President launches a DoJ and FBI investigation for outing the CIA building.
He looks more relaxed and confident so something is coming.
Georgia
October 16th, 2012
12:16 pm
I think BaRocky is brave to get back into the ring tonight with Mormon Creed. BaRocky risks being belted with the words, “Obamaloney”, and “Voodoo Government”. There’s no comeback for that.
Yo, Arianna!
Welcome to the Occupation
October 16th, 2012
12:17 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
What do you think of the strategy of arming insurgents, Scout? Insurgents who have a tendency to get upset when they get shoved aside by CIA-preferred parties and oil interests when they’re no longer useful?
Can you blame them?
How would your Mitten man do it any differently or better? Another ground campaign?
TaxPayer
October 16th, 2012
12:17 pm
correlation does not imply causation
Yet cons claim they have established causation without even first establishing a correlation, i.e., their claims that tax cuts increase tax revenues by limiting their discussion to only the specific time frame that appears to support their claim while ignoring all those other inconvenient truths. I note that cons also like to use this technique to disprove global warming and any other thing they happen to disagree with.
indigo
October 16th, 2012
12:18 pm
ByteMe – 9:45
There is one major difference. If a majority in Parliment vote “no confidence”, then they(Parliment) form a new Govt. So, these weekly “debates” aren’t necessarly aimed at the people since they(the people) can’t vote in a new Govt.
Tundra Dude
October 16th, 2012
12:28 pm
They see $16 Trillion ($5 trillion more than 2008) and that’s all that matters.
Exactly. (to many peeps) This sticks out like a sore thumb. Sorta like the wife or sig other ran the credit card up from $11k to 16k.
Doesn’t matter if it was for a good cause…….”I can explain” doesn’t wash.
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
12:29 pm
November 6 2012 will be
the end of the world for
one of the two US political
parties. The earth is
bipolar and is having a
meltdown. But i’m o.k.,
you’re o.k.
willie lynch
October 16th, 2012
12:29 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 16th, 2012
12:09 pm
Should Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Rice, Powell…should any of them have resigned after 9/11? But they didn’t did they? And you weren’t calling for it were you?
We haven’t lost 3000+ American civilians under Obama. Obama didn’t plunge us into an economic calamity did he? Obama didn’t start two unnecessary wars and not pay for them did he?
You cons have no credibility. No wonder you support “Etch-a-Sketch” and the “1 minute miler”. You clowns are ridiculous?
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
12:33 pm
stands 12:01, lol
I guess that’s what they call “gettin’ medieval on yo’ ass”
fair and balanced
October 16th, 2012
12:33 pm
I am sure Al-Quaida is giving the GOP congratulations for giving them credit for the Libya murders. Kinda like that Ben Laden tape leaked out before the 2004 election. The boogey man is on the loose again and only the neocons can catch him. I am real scared! Thank God for GOP terrorist slayers.
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
12:35 pm
Kyle has a thread up asking for what Obama needs to do to win the debate.
I was thinking of posting “Obama should avoid any mentions of Leola Anderson or 50-dollar abortion co-pays.” but played it straight, instead.
tm
October 16th, 2012
12:36 pm
I looking for the spike on the graph where Bush spent all this money to fund two wars?? Or the spike on the graph when we had to pay for the unfunded Rx program
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
12:37 pm
Squeeze on Obama
Q: What does Scout dream of?
godless heathen
October 16th, 2012
12:40 pm
He will drone the terrorists.
He will drone 3 or 4 Arabs riding through the desert in a Toyota and claim he got the ones that did the deed along with the #2 Al Queda leader.
zeke
October 16th, 2012
12:43 pm
The facts? Here are the facts. Tax revenue will rise and fall based on economic activity. Spending never falls, hence the problem! When revenues fall in a business, the business must make reductions in spending or fail! When the government learns that fact, which Conservatives and Republicans already know, then maybe we can have a viable budget and economic plan! And no, YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO RAISE TAXES TO COVER THE COST OF FEEL GOOD USELESS SOCIALIST AGENDA PROGRAMS! And everyone should pay some income tax whether earning a million per year or 15 thousand per year. And, that amount should be the same percentage of income for everyone, not more for the higher earners. And we are talking about income tax, not the various government imposed payroll taxes for Medicare and Social Security!
They BOTH suck
October 16th, 2012
12:44 pm
godless @ 12:40
If Obama does that, he would certainly be taking a page out of the Bush administration’s book.
Didn’t the #2 & #3 AQ guy in Iraq get killed 8 times each?
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
12:46 pm
He will drone 3 or 4 Arabs riding through the desert in a Toyota and claim he got the ones that did the deed along with the #2 Al Queda leader.
Well, that #2 AQ guy always gets it. He’s got a crappier life expectancy than an ST redshirt.
Similarly likely–the locals have already killed some of the people responsible, and the Administration is trying to figure out whether two or three more will count as a win or not.
Mick
October 16th, 2012
12:48 pm
The rude pundit is a hoot!
What did the previous president do? How’s about the ownership society and the mortgage scam, how’s about lax regulations from a-z. Lax regualtion or oversight on energy, banking, environment. Hell, just look at how they let enron screw the whole state of california. Republicans could care less about the shrinking middle class, it is not their true base, which is millionaires and billionaires, they can have them…
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
12:49 pm
When revenues fall in a business, the business must make reductions in spending or fail! ,b>When the government learns that fact, which Conservatives and Republicans already know, then maybe we can have a viable budget and economic plan!
That’s the problem we have with our government. Our government IS NOT a business and it does not run like one. That said, we already see that those same Conservatives and Republicans that “know” this have no problem with being wrong and still running full steam ahead with faulty logic and reasoning.
Jeff
October 16th, 2012
12:49 pm
It is not about how much spending has increased you IDIOT, it is about the size of the DEFICIT. Spoken like a true liberal journalist that doesn’t know which end is up.
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
12:50 pm
my bad. Meant to boldface “When the government learns that fact, which Conservatives and Republicans already know’”
godless heathen
October 16th, 2012
12:51 pm
Didn’t the #2 & #3 AQ guy in Iraq get killed 8 times each?
O’man has gotten him several times also.
Well, that #2 AQ guy always gets it. He’s got a crappier life expectancy than an ST redshirt.
Of like Darth Vader’s 2nd guy in the original Star Wars movie. Not a job I’d want.
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
12:51 pm
“I was thinking of posting “Obama should avoid any mentions of Leola Anderson or 50-dollar abortion co-pays.” but played it straight, instead.”
I knew sfd had some good in him!
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
12:52 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-142816396–election.html
You can tell when people are really out of touch with reality when they do something like ummm….. scrub clean dishes for the sake of getting an action photo shot of doing manual labor.
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
12:53 pm
you IDIOT, it is about the size of the DEFICIT
er, did you happen to see that squiggly red line in the chart?
I don’t think anyone here is denying that a deficit exists.
willie lynch
October 16th, 2012
12:53 pm
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
12:46 pm
Remember the Jessica Lynch story the Bush administration tried to spin. Remember when she came out and said “Wow when did that happen? I would have liked to have seen that movie”. Or the administrations hero building of Pat Tillman who it turned out had been killed by friendly fire.
You con’s need to stop all the nit picking of everything this administration does because you’ve got an 8 year cluster ***k that can be called up in an instant.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 16th, 2012
12:54 pm
…it is about the size of the DEFICIT.
Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.
DEFICIT?
IOKIYAR
Williebkind
October 16th, 2012
12:56 pm
““It’s not income so much as it is education. The higher the education level, the more likely they are to vote Democratic.”
Is that why a college degree is not worth so much these days!
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
1:00 pm
Didn’t the #2 & #3 AQ guy in Iraq get killed 8 times each?
….
Well, that #2 AQ guy always gets it. He’s got a crappier life expectancy than an ST redshirt.
The only person with worse life expectancy is the single Black character in a slasher movie.
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
1:00 pm
I knew sfd had some good in him!
Over at Kyle’s, I think about how I regard those who come in *here* heaping scorn upon the blog-host and insulting regulars, and try my best not to act in a similar fashion. I adopted a similar approach to Jim Wooten’s column, years back.
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
1:00 pm
the single Black character
“I sure am looking forward to retiring tomorrow!”
They BOTH suck
October 16th, 2012
1:01 pm
godless
Then he has already used that page. Those dudes have been killed 10 or 12 times each.
Joking aside, I’m sure that the US military has actually killed their #2 & #3 guy numerous times, however I do wonder how many times the public was told that and it was speculation or bs.
That goes for Obama as well. Hate to be that cynical but it is good p.r. when it hits the news.
Thunderbird
October 16th, 2012
1:03 pm
It amazes me that despite the evidence that is displayed for folks, Republicans continue to say Obama is on a spending spree, in fact over 90% of Obamas increase in spending was to stop the free fall in the economy. I worked on Wall Street and everyone knows that this recession that Bush put us in would be at best the slowest recovery since the Depression, bc Bush left us falling off a cliff and almost into economic abyss. If McCain was elected, there would have been no economy to even discuss. Obama is everyones savior that stopped the free fall and turned the economy around and on a recovery, the facts are there. Believe the facts, not the nonsense proproganda that Rommney and Ryan are putting out. If they are elected, watch us fall into abyss and you guys will get what you asked for smh.
Mick
October 16th, 2012
1:05 pm
rb
Let’s not forget the trillion dollar tax cuts and medicare part d which was unfunded. There’s a whole laundry list of the previous administrations backward policy leading toward more debt. The biggest blunder? Iraq war, hands down a trillion dollar plus misadventure that vaults iran into the regional power, way to go george…
Williebkind
October 16th, 2012
1:06 pm
Ok, lets all look at the chart! I have money so my spending goes up and up. I said I have money and I did not say how I got it. Now as I spend the money I have becomes less so the spending levels out or tapers off. I dont have as much money now! I keep spending for whatever reason but fewer pricy things becaus I have less money but the spending continues. Look, at the line now its spiraling downward. My money is about gone! Liberals love charts because they are so visual and pretty.
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
1:10 pm
Willie, that’s what credit cards are for, don’t you know?
It’s called digging your way out of a hole.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
October 16th, 2012
1:15 pm
WHAT JAY DOESNT SAY
OBAMA used the fact to increase spending with stimulus $ and supplemental budgets and ADDED them to the 2009 BUDGET which they attribute to BUSH
so he increases spending to high levels but because he adds it to 2009 budget he can BLAME BUSH
then for 2010 Budget………. Obama’s first…………. you keep spending at the 2009 LEVELS and say you are holding spending
typical washington accountign trickery
Erwin's cat
October 16th, 2012
1:16 pm
TaxPayer – I note that cons also like to use this technique to disprove global warming and any other thing they happen to disagree with
Have you seen Burt Rutan’s analysis of GCC?
Williebkind
October 16th, 2012
1:18 pm
Oh and somebody mentioned Hiliary Clinton! Lets have a few moments of silence for the four she had murdered and tried to cover it up with a video with Obama’s help. Now the guy who just made a video is in jail and the murderer continues to have a federal position. Yep that guy who made the video was not supposed to be on the internet. That deserves jail time but murdering four Americans is not worth the discusion. Liberals, arent they such a sweet bunch!
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
1:18 pm
stimulus $ and supplemental budgets and ADDED them to the 2009 BUDGET
you do realize that the Recovery Act funds didn’t just get dumped into the economy all at once, that it’s taken years to distribute… right?
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
1:21 pm
Lets have a few moments of silence for the four she had murdered
I hear that they were all Sons of Confederate Veterans.
Williebkind
October 16th, 2012
1:22 pm
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
1:21 pm
I heard they were all gay!
godless heathen
October 16th, 2012
1:23 pm
That goes for Obama as well. Hate to be that cynical but it is good p.r. when it hits the news.
Al Queda operatives have dramatic rank advancement as soon as vaporized.
Jesus payan
October 16th, 2012
1:25 pm
I suupport A single payer madicare reform for all heathcare s ystem and replacing free trade agreement to bring back jobs lost to other countries for ship labor.
JKL2
October 16th, 2012
1:26 pm
-Why can’t we have a day where each poster says one nice thing about the other party?
obama is doing a great job solving our immigration problems by turning the value of a dollar into a peso.
Four more years of obama and we’ll have people crossing the border to Mexico in search of higher paying jobs.
RB from Gwinnett
October 16th, 2012
1:27 pm
Mick, are you saying those things cause the financial collapse?
I agree Bush spent too much. Do you agree Obama is too?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 16th, 2012
1:27 pm
That deserves jail time but murdering four Americans is not worth the discusion
Sure let’s have that discussion. So when should Bush and Cheney be arrested?
JKL2
October 16th, 2012
1:29 pm
mick- Let’s not forget the trillion dollar tax cuts and medicare part d which was unfunded.
Good thing they were repealed by obama and his Democrat congress.
oops…
UNCLE SAMANTHA
October 16th, 2012
1:30 pm
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
1:18 pm
stimulus $ and supplemental budgets and ADDED them to the 2009 BUDGET
you do realize that the Recovery Act funds didn’t just get dumped into the economy all at once, that it’s taken years to distribute… right?
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CORRECT
and no where did I say that $1.1 trillion was added to the 2009 budget………. the amount they added to the 2009 budget raised spending levels and they attrributed it to BUSH
once they RAISED the spending……. they then used 2009 as a BASELINE to spending for 2010 etc……
you can’t run from the fact that both parties use accounting tricks
getalife
October 16th, 2012
1:32 pm
Joe told us the gop are full of crap and lie so find one thing the gop told the truth .
Good luck with that.
Regnad Kcin
October 16th, 2012
1:33 pm
“I sure am looking forward to retiring tomorrow!”
But first, I’ll check out that strange noise down in the basement, without turning on the light…
Regnad Kcin
October 16th, 2012
1:35 pm
“Lets have a few moments of silence for the four she had murdered”
Have you no honor, sir?
getalife
October 16th, 2012
1:36 pm
The cons don’t even know the facts about Libya but cry about a cover up.
cons are hilarious.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 16th, 2012
1:37 pm
Karl Marx. Never been more relevant.
RB from Gwinnett
October 16th, 2012
1:38 pm
I hate it when I start to read a post, notice its just plain stupid, and then realize I’ve failed to skip over one of Getaclue’s posts.