Candy Crowley right to stick to her debate guns
Journalists are taught never to become part of the story. Candy Crowley of CNN, moderator of tonight’s town-hall debate, has become part of the story, but in her case, I don’t think she has been given any choice.
From Politico:
In an interview with CNN this afternoon, Candy Crowley reiterated that, like past town-hall debate moderators, she intends to do more than just hold the microphone at tonight’s debate in Hempstead, N.Y. — an intention that has caused concern for both campaigns….
Crowley’s vision of her role at tonight’s debate is in keeping with past town hall debates, but it would defy the expectations agreed to by both campaigns in the co-signed memorandum of understanding, obtained and released yesterday by Time’s Mark Halperin. From section 7, part (c), sub-part (iv):
7. Additional Rules Apllicable to the October 16 Debate…
(c) With respect to all questions…
(iv) The moderator will not ask follow-up questions or comment on either the questions asked by the audience or the answers of the candidates during the debate or otherwise intervene in the debate except to acknowledge the questioners from the audience or enforce the time limits, and invite candidate comments during the 2 minute response period.
There is hardly any gray area here. Crowley is expected to do nothing except to acknowledge questioners, enforce the time limits, and invite candidate comments. Many people — especially journalists — would and have objected to that, but that’s the agreement.
That’s the agreement between the two campaigns. The sponsoring Commission on Presidential Debates did not agree to it. Crowley did not agree to it. If the two campaigns want somebody to handle the job the way they seem to want it handled, they should hire a game-show host, not a journalist.
“The commission and the moderator are not parties to” any agreement the campaigns may have, Frank Fahrenkopf, former chairman of the Republican National Committee and a debate commission co-chair, told the Washington Post. “She agreed to abide by the rules of the commission, not the campaigns.”
Good for the commission, and good for Crowley.
We’ll be here again tonight, live-blogging the debatee. As usual, I’ll post a new thread around 8 p.m., then begin commentary as the debate starts at 9.
– Jay Bookman
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Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
4:28 pm
well, if Jefferson was such a visionary with amazing progressive ideas….shouldn’t he have realized slavery was immoral and wrong?? Just saying…..
Jefferson lived in a time where slavery was the way of life. You even had people defend slavery by using verses and passages from the Bible, so where would you find something immoral that was supported by the Bible?
Paul
October 16th, 2012
4:28 pm
DownInAlbany
“So, is the debate about the candidates or the moderator?”
The debate’s about getting answers to questions the average American wants answered. So who’d going to make sure that happens?
That question sounds like it was created either by the campaign who thinks they have the most to lose, or by a talk radio personality seizing upon a new angle of the ‘liberal media” script.
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:29 pm
BROSEPHUS
Yes, but Tommy was a spiritually evolved and visionary slave owner!
Ben Shockley
October 16th, 2012
4:29 pm
Libs sure don’t seem to think Fox News is a legitimate news source. You’d think Fox trumped up some fake Texas Air Guard documents or something.
Regnad Kcin
October 16th, 2012
4:29 pm
“well, if Jefferson was such a visionary with amazing progressive ideas….shouldn’t he have realized slavery was immoral and wrong?? Just saying…..”
Yes, what ARE you saying? You’re certainly not being very clear.
Matti
October 16th, 2012
4:29 pm
Mr. Shockley asserts: “It’s like if a judge in a civil trial over a legal contract said he/she would not be bound by the terms of the contract.”
Actually, it’s nothing like that. The purpose of a legal contract between two entities is to designate the responsibilities of each entity.
The purpose of this so-called “debate” is to elucidate — for the American people — our choices for President. Without a moderator to hold them accountable for their answers, they need only spew any old nonsense they think we want to hear with as much enthusiasm as they can. We have Super PACS purchasing ad time to give us that already.
Yes, Mr. Shockley, somebody needs to be on OUR side of this matter. Thank you.
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
4:29 pm
I agree, it is wrong to make commnents about Candy’s personal appearance.
I hope she surprises everyone and does a fantastic job.
JamVet
October 16th, 2012
4:30 pm
What is cute is how b-troll boy tries to be three bloggers at the same time.
Mitt’s defeat is a foregone conclusion. And has been for many months.
I’m more interested in watching the disgusting Alan West and Joe Walsh get an opportunity to find employment in the private sector. Along with the non-disgusting Scott Brown.
And locally, I’m stoked about my option.
I get to vote for a veteran, a member of the Defense and Veterans Affairs Committee and a very strong advocate for Georgia vets, instead of some candyass, draft-dodging Republican…
http://www.votescottholcomb.com/home/
Ben Shockley
October 16th, 2012
4:30 pm
You’d think Fox News had a guy going on Twitter urging people to donate to Romney, kinda like that CNN dude did for Barack or something.
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
4:30 pm
Kamchak
Nokia up and running?
USMC
October 16th, 2012
4:31 pm
Chris Matthews’ Epic Meltdown…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z303YXnQDKU
Chris Matthews’ head might Asplode tonight if Comrade Obama doesn’t fare well in the Debate!
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
4:31 pm
josef
Don’t forget about his love of ALL things chocolate!!!
skipper
October 16th, 2012
4:31 pm
The fact that if used Candy for a scare-crow the crows would bring back the corn they stole last year should not enter into this……….
Ben Shockley
October 16th, 2012
4:32 pm
“Mitt’s defeat is a foregone conclusion. And has been for many months.”
saving this one for future use……..
straitroad
October 16th, 2012
4:32 pm
Speaking of “sticking”, apparently obama is sticking it to Hillary. I suppose that any of obama’s claims of foreign policy success are due to Hillary as well. You guys should have nominated her, at least she can accept blame, even when the blame lies with someone else.
Paul
October 16th, 2012
4:32 pm
Ben Shockley
“It’s like if a judge in a civil trial over a legal contract said he/she would not be bound by the terms of the contract.”
Judges are not bound by the terms of a contract between two parties in how they adjudicate the case. It’s why they’re called judges.
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
“you don’t think people take this blog seriously, do you? I mean, really??”
Manchurian: You better re-think that statement. There are crazy libs on this blog that would love to have at your personal information. Beware.
Ben Shockley
October 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
“Yes, Mr. Shockley, somebody needs to be on OUR side of this matter. Thank you.”
I’d prefer you not speak on my behalf. Thank you.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
frog
Yep, working just fine.
I don’t use it to post here.
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
Paul
and judges can void a
contract.
Ben Shockley
October 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
“Speaking of “sticking”, apparently obama is sticking it to Hillary. I suppose that any of obama’s claims of foreign policy success are due to Hillary as well. You guys should have nominated her, at least she can accept blame, even when the blame lies with someone else.”
If the Kenyan wins re-election, look for a massive payoff to the Clintons, at taxpayer expense of course.
Ben Shockley
October 16th, 2012
4:35 pm
Chelsea will likely be the new Socialism Czar
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
4:36 pm
Kamchak
you should try it.
a challenge but handy if
pc fails. this is good
practice.
DownInAlbany
October 16th, 2012
4:36 pm
Paul
October 16th, 2012
4:28 pm
DownInAlbany
“So, is the debate about the candidates or the moderator?”
The debate’s about getting answers to questions the average American wants answered. So who’d going to make sure that happens?
That question sounds like it was created either by the campaign who thinks they have the most to lose, or by a talk radio personality seizing upon a new angle of the ‘liberal media” script.
Nope, honest question. Anyway, we are not going to solve all that ills us on this blog…nor change each others mind, for that matter. The “D’s” and the “R’s” are firmly entrenched. It’s the undecideds/independents that Obama and Romney are wooing tonight.
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:36 pm
BROSEPHUS
We better be careful or Sue Ellen’ll be in here in a minute with her hoop skirts raised ready to mud wrestle!
Getalife…
Interesting, eh? I was reading the other day and now can’t remember where that there have been overtures from the new regime to the Mossad for helping out with experitise, and it’s getting a positive response. The Libyan-Jewish thingie, BTW, is another of those “nyanh? Really?” thingies…
Ben Shockley
October 16th, 2012
4:36 pm
“I get to vote for a veteran, a member of the Defense and Veterans Affairs Committee and a very strong advocate for Georgia vets, instead of some candyass, draft-dodging Republican…”
LOL. As opposed to candyass draft-dodging Democrats like Bill Clinton
getalife
October 16th, 2012
4:37 pm
rubio said mitt’s tax plan is “troubling”. Too funny.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 16th, 2012
4:38 pm
Enter your comments here
USMC
October 16th, 2012
4:39 pm
“Our President is ready, calm and confident”–Getalife
Yeah, just like last Debate, right??
JamVet
October 16th, 2012
4:39 pm
Sure, b-troll. Save it right next to your travel plans to Singapore.
And to think you idgits coulda had a REAL conservative like Newt, Herman, Michelle, Ricky A or Ricky B as your standard bearer.
Instead you get this no-talent, assclown, RINO, milquetoast flip-flopping socialist from hell.
Don’t get me wrong; I love it.
Watching this GOP campaign squirm its way along has been like a marathon of Three Stooges reruns…
Fred ™
October 16th, 2012
4:39 pm
Once again we have so called “journalists” that think THEY are the story and apparently a “journalist” turned opinion blogger who agrees.
Were I involved in the debate I would be a no show. Let the “journalist’ be all the damn story she wants. The rules were decided upon by the parties involved not by the “journalist.” Screw her, screw CNN, and screw the debate.
Let her debate Jay.
Ben Shockley
October 16th, 2012
4:39 pm
“rubio said mitt’s tax plan is “troubling”. Too funny.”
Kinda like Barack campaigning against the Bush tax cuts and then doubling down on them. Too funny.
Paul
October 16th, 2012
4:40 pm
barking frog
Happens all the time.
Thank heavens.
‘course, we do have people on this blog who’d argue that should never happen, because people should be free to enter into any contract they want without big brother government telling them what they can do.
Unless it cites Sharia. Then we need an activist government to protect our sacred rights -
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
4:41 pm
getalife
if mitt is elected and only
gets the 20% rate reduction
his failure to get the
deduction reduction
will be success.
nelson
October 16th, 2012
4:41 pm
She will open up with an over the top “zinger” for Mitt like are you a cultist Mr. Romney?
From then on it will be “fluff”ball questions for Prez O. Not fair, but life was not meant to be fair
Ben Shockley
October 16th, 2012
4:41 pm
“Watching this GOP campaign squirm its way along has been like a marathon of Three Stooges reruns…”
Kinda like watching Obama flounder along as president for four years.
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:41 pm
I guess Anne Coulter would have agreed to just ask the questions? Yeah, sure…Fox is just pissed that CNN actually has a woman on staff who knows her stuff…
getalife
October 16th, 2012
4:42 pm
josef,
“the Mossad for helping out with experitise.”
Good, they need all the help they can get.
Paul
October 16th, 2012
4:42 pm
DownInAlbany
“Anyway, we are not going to solve all that ills us on this blog…nor change each others mind, for that matter.”
Stick around. Over the years, there’s been more than one mind changed on a particular subject.
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
josef
My bad…
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
“Mitt’s defeat is a foregone conclusion. And has been for many months.”
Yes, Obama could slip on a grape and babble incoherently and the media would still claim his victory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp9TZVecWDI
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
BEN
Obama flounder…you got a recipe for that?
USMC
October 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
“rubio said mitt’s tax plan is “troubling”. Too funny.”–getalife
Not near as funny as the DemocRat Controlled Senate rejecting Obama’s budget in 99-0 vote
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/
NINETY-NINE to ZERO!
Scott Fresno
October 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
Sausage or pepperoni? Neither if it is coming from Pizza Hut! Bring on the Fellini’s!
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
I hope Obama’s next debate is in Kenya? That was not nice of me! Tired of being nice and rational all the time!
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
Bring in Helen Thomas instead – PLEASE!!!
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
getalife
The Kurds and the Turks have certainly benefited from that connection…don’t much get past them in the intelligence arena…
southpaw
October 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
Stevie Ray @3:05
I’ll join you.
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
josef
Ben is a Romney grouper.
USMC
October 16th, 2012
4:46 pm
“Obama flounder…you got a recipe for that?”–josef
Well if all else fails… Don’t forget…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfFjvHfFj_w
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:46 pm
moonbat
I don’t like Helen Thomas. She should go back where she came from….Lebanon…and join up with Sooth and the Hezbollah…
Hillary blames the "fog of war" for the Obama administration's shifting explanations for the attack
October 16th, 2012
4:46 pm
Are we at war with Libya? Maybe Candy can ask that question tonight.
Matti
October 16th, 2012
4:47 pm
Mr. Shockley,
I did not speak for you. When I said “OUR side,” I was referring to Americans who can form rational thoughts. Please do not think for a moment I’d ever mistake you for one of “us.” You’re welcome.
Kamchak
October 16th, 2012
4:47 pm
frog
I can’t say I like this experience.
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:48 pm
FROG
Ben is a dimwit dipsh’t, imeoiauo…that is if Imam Torquemada will let me give my opinion…
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
4:49 pm
“I don’t like Helen Thomas”
I know
I posted that just for you, josef!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 16th, 2012
4:49 pm
BRO,
In terms of non-roads an bridges the top 5 percent paid 37 % of income taxes in 1980 and 57 percent now..the top 20% pay 87% or more of total tax revenue. Futher, according the CBO, corporate taxes by 2017 will have increased from 2000 over 200% compared to individual tax increase during the same time of 90% for individuals..this means something relative who pays for what..
Of course you are correct about my contortionist approach to this..I’m not generally an emotional guy but I did build and maintain a business and it was a major shot in the face to hear the dope suggest anthing to the contrary..
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
4:50 pm
Kamchak
Don’t worry, it gets worse.
Not really, it does get easier.
50% of all facebook posts
are from smartphones.
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
Hey Fred!
Finally out of the clink?
Welcome back!!
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
FROG
BTW, that Romeny grouper was a good one!
getalife
October 16th, 2012
4:53 pm
josef,
I think the adult professionals are doing their jobs and dealing with the situation.
Our President seems more relaxed and confident so it must be going well.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 16th, 2012
4:53 pm
frog
The screen’s too small and the keypad worse. I’ll save my data on the smartphone for something useful.
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:53 pm
Moonbat
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
4:54 pm
josef
If you hook a romney
grouper it will regurgitate
all it has swallowed when
it surfaces.
Susan Rice blamed intelligence community talking points for the faulty narrative.
October 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
But Hillary said it was the “fog of war”.
getalife
October 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
War with Libya? No, but there are ongoing operations there.
Try supporting them for a change cons.
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:56 pm
getalife
I am truly intrigued with Libya in all this. To be honest, I would never have expected it. It kinda makes you wonder what they WERE thinking during the Kadaffi years…
Erwin's cat
October 16th, 2012
4:56 pm
JOSEF
and join up with Sooth and the Hezbollah…
so that’s what happen to SoothSayer…Hezbollah huh? I noticed he hasn’t been around in a while
USMC
October 16th, 2012
4:56 pm
After joking with reporters, Obama silent on Benghazi question…
http://freebeacon.com/is-hillary-to-blame-for-benghazi/
“Mums” the word!
It is always the cover-up that brings these crooks down.
Matti
October 16th, 2012
4:56 pm
barking frog,
Phone pic on FB this morning from excited young college co-ed, pumped about her first Prez election, at a Ryan rally in Virginia. It’s of her chest, sporting a button that reads: “Hot Chicks Dig Ryan.”
Um….. bless her lil’ heart! How do I begin to explain to her that men who respect women don’t publicly dice us up into “hot” and “not hot,” hinged on whether we dig a misogynistic candidate who likes to quibble about the definition of when rape is really rape, for the purpose of restricting our right to make our own medical decisions? Tempted to drive down the street and slap her parents!
moonbat betty
October 16th, 2012
4:57 pm
josef- lol – hope you threw up in your mouth just a little bit.
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
4:57 pm
Kamchak
when windows 8 gets
installed i’ll go back to a
pc. old fingers and the
tiny keys do not mesh
well.
JohnnyReb
October 16th, 2012
4:58 pm
I stopped watching CNN years ago when they were full of Liberals. I understand now they are trying to be Conservative so they can have enough veiwers to save their financial butt. Regardless, I had to google Crowley as I am not familar with her.
My first impression of Crowley is, she needs to go on a diet (that should rev up a Moonbat or two). Next, if both campaigns want her to basically keep her mouth shut, she should do just that or step aside.
The debate is for the people; not what a journalist thinks the people want. As has been seen time and time again in the campaign, almost all the so-called journalists don’t have a clue. They just know they want Obama.
Susan Rice blamed intelligence community talking points for the faulty narrative.
October 16th, 2012
4:58 pm
I guess it all depends on what your definition of “fog” is, right?
getalife
October 16th, 2012
4:58 pm
cons are showing their patriotism again.
Terrorist sympathizers to get our President.
USMC
October 16th, 2012
4:58 pm
“I did not speak for you. When I said “OUR side,” I was referring to Americans who can form rational thoughts. Please do not think for a moment I’d ever mistake you for one of “us.” You’re welcome.”—MATTI
One of Matti’s Comrades on “Our Side”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
josef
October 16th, 2012
4:59 pm
FROG
Heh, heh!
BLAMED
The fog of war is a rational summation in a few words to me…
getalife
Like I keep saying, it’s hard to tell who wants Libya to fail more, the lunatic fringe of the conservative right here at home or the al Qaaida in the Maghreb.
Hillary blames the "fog of war" for the Obama administration's shifting explanations for the attack
October 16th, 2012
5:00 pm
Oh, I see. Instead of the “fog of war” she should have said “fog of ongoing operations”.
barking frog
October 16th, 2012
5:00 pm
Matti
kids live in a different world.
parents may not be aware.
Hillary blames the "fog of war" for the Obama administration's shifting explanations for the attack
October 16th, 2012
5:02 pm
getalife
Try supporting them? You mean like why we didn’t support our ambassador when his many security requests were submitted?
josef
October 16th, 2012
5:02 pm
ERWIN’s CAT
I hear Sooth’s attending high level meetings in Teheran and Lebanon!
Joe Biden said "We are leaving in 2014, period"
October 16th, 2012
5:03 pm
State Department official: Negotiations to extend U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan starting soon
Matti
October 16th, 2012
5:04 pm
The debate is for the people; not what a journalist thinks the people want.
The people already get advertising. Why should the “debate” be reduced to an opportunity for more free advertising? I hope that somebody will press for clarification of intentionally vague or misleading statements. Facts matter. Let them keep paying for air time if they want to spew unchallenged lies.
getalife
October 16th, 2012
5:04 pm
” It kinda makes you wonder what they WERE thinking during the Kadaffi years…”
Not sure but when they got their hands on him, they beat the crap out him.
USMC
October 16th, 2012
5:04 pm
“But Hillary said it was the “fog of war”.”–
LOL! Yeah more like “FOG ON THE BRAIN”!
getalife
October 16th, 2012
5:06 pm
Hillary,
Which side are you on?
josef
October 16th, 2012
5:06 pm
SUSAN BLAMES
Who cut the funding for consular security?
And support our ambassador? That man was our Golden Boy in Libya and had the unqualified support of this administration…
His work continues and his legacy lives and it would behoove the partisans here to get behind that and quit the, well ignorant, rants,,,
USMC
October 16th, 2012
5:08 pm
“Which side are you on?”
Hillary is on HER side. Come on, everyone knows that.
getalife
October 16th, 2012
5:10 pm
Looks like you cons chose the terrorists side to get our President.
JamVet
October 16th, 2012
5:11 pm
Ben Dover,
Move to Singapore already and save yourself the embarrassment and grief of being a Boo Boo Money
jockstrapsupporter…Joe Biden said "We are leaving in 2014, period"
October 16th, 2012
5:12 pm
josef
I would imagine Congress cut funding (House Rep lead, Senate Dem lead)
Do you have a link that shows the cuts you mentioned lead to the decision to leave the ambassador without a security team?
getalife
October 16th, 2012
5:13 pm
“Like I keep saying, it’s hard to tell who wants Libya to fail more, the lunatic fringe of the conservative right here at home or the al Qaaida in the Maghreb.”
If I can get you to write the book on their behavior called “Unhinged” , we will be richer. The movie will make millions.
weetamoe
October 16th, 2012
5:15 pm
No one has made a sexist joke about a respected journalist. In fact no one has even mentioned a respected journalist.
Brosephus™
October 16th, 2012
5:15 pm
Stevie Ray: In terms of non-roads an bridges the top 5 percent paid 37 % of income taxes in 1980 and 57 percent now..the top 20% pay 87% or more of total tax revenue.
And you fall for the GOP talking point hook, line, and sinker. You give up any right to truth when you start trying to split up the different taxes. When looking ONLY at federal income taxes, it seems that the wealthy are getting screwed. However, when you look at the ENTIRE picture, the story changes.
This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from “how much in taxes do you pay” to “how much in federal income taxes do you pay?” This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It’s bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.
There’s a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax — it’s the tax we’ve designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we’ve done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.
….
Which is why, if you want to understand who’s paying what in taxes, you don’t want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes — you want to look at total taxes.
…. the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you’re mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that’s another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you’re omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.
Here’s what the tax burden actually looks like when you account for ALL taxes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/09/total-tax-bill-income.jpg
“That’s really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income”
RB from Gwinnett
October 16th, 2012
5:17 pm
I sure hope she has a little more “journalistic” integrity than Bookman.
Come to think of it, ANY would be more than Bookman…
tom
October 16th, 2012
5:17 pm
Most politicians when ask a tough question never answer the question. They dance around it make it go away. I think the moderator should interrupt them when this happens and indicate they have strayed from the question. Mr Obama does not have a record to stand on thus he will attack Romney on many fronts. Should be interesting.
getalife
October 16th, 2012
5:19 pm
“Unhinged” starts with the meeting the night the President was elected with the newt hatching the plan to get the President.
Doggone/GA
October 16th, 2012
5:19 pm
“When looking ONLY at federal income taxes, it seems that the wealthy are getting screwed.”
Only if you look at it on the basis of percentage of population to percentage of taxes paid. It evens out a lot when you base it on percentage of the nation’s wealth controlled.
josef
October 16th, 2012
5:21 pm
Joe Biden
The two takes on it…
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/opinion/republicans-have-no-shame.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/330408/libya-isnt-about-funding-cuts-katrina-trinko
They BOTH suck
October 16th, 2012
5:22 pm
“Come to think of it, ANY would be more than Bookman…”
Yet you are a regular on this blog. Probably speaks more about you than him