Encouraging economic data, from sources public and private
Last week, a better-than-expected jobs report inspired scoffing among those to whom good economic news is bad political news, including suggestions that the government numbers had somehow been cooked as part of a political conspiracy.
That doesn’t seem to have been the case, as economic data continue to surprise on the upside, from government as well as private economic sources, and across economic sectors:
The economy is improving more than professional forecasters anticipated, particularly in data on employment and housing, according to the Bloomberg Economic Surprise Index, which compares 38 indicators with analysts’ predictions. The index, based on gauges compiled by private businesses and trade groups in addition to government, confirms U.S. growth is generating jobs in the face of a global slowdown and looming federal spending cuts and tax increases known as the fiscal cliff.
“The economy is improving, and the labor market is getting better,” said Robert Brusca, president of Fact & Opinion Economics and a former New York Fed economist. “These numbers are what they are, they’re not being slanted. On a scale of one to 10, the economy is at a fairly firm six and may be heading higher….”
From Reuters, on consumer sentiment:
The Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan’s preliminary October reading on the overall index on consumer sentiment came in at 83.1, up from 78.3 the month before, and the highest since September 2007, the survey showed on Friday.
The new buoyancy among consumers comes shortly after the U.S. unemployment rate tumbled to its lowest in nearly four years in September as more people returned to the workforce and found jobs than economists had predicted.
“We are getting some quite interesting signals from consumer sentiment and employment data – both (the) unemployment rate and initial claims – that there has been some quite significant improvement in the economy,” said David Sloan, an economist at 4Cast in New York.
From the Census Bureau on retail sales:
WASHINGTON — Retail sales rose a larger-than-expected 1.1% in September as consumers shook off fears of looming economic problems and continued to boost their spending after pulling back earlier this year.
The new data Monday came as the Commerce Department revised August’s increase in retail sales to 1.2% from the earlier estimate of 0.9%. That meant the rise in August was the largest monthly gain since October 2010.
Economists had expected a 0.8% increase in September, according to a survey by Bloomberg. Retail sales last month were up 5.4% from a year earlier. Sales for the three-month period ending in September were up 4.8% from the same quarter in 2011.
From Business Insider, on housing:
Despite some nagging doubts that have remained over the U.S. housing market, consensus is that housing has turned the corner and is recovering.
In his latest note titled The Housing Recovery Is For Real, Deutsche Bank’s Joseph LaVorgna writes that the “residential housing market is in the very early stages of a durable recovery.”
LaVorgna says this recovery in housing is important because housing is what led the U.S. economy into a recession, and is part of the reason the recovery has been so slow. Moreover, as “a leading indicator of underlying domestic demand,” any improvement in housing suggests that underlying domestic demand should improve as well. From Lavorgna:
‘…. At minimum, the strength in residential construction suggests it is unlikely that underlying domestic demand will weaken further. This provides us with some comfort that the recent sub-par performance in the economy is not long lasting and that over time, domestic demand will strengthen, perhaps as concern over Europe fades a bit and the “fiscal cliff” is adequately dealt with.’ “
From Fitch Ratings, on housing construction:
Fitch Ratings raised its projection for single-family starts and new-home sales this year, but warned housing growth could be somewhat less robust in 2013.
The ratings company expects single-family housing starts to improve about 19% in 2012, with new-home sales and existing-home sales increasing 19.5% and 8.5%, respectively.
Fitch, last month, forecast a 12% rise in single-family housing starts, 10.5% growth in new-home sales and a 5.6% bump in existing-home sales.
Fitch said the year-over-year gains for single-family starts and new-home sales earlier this year have sustained momentum. Meanwhile, seasonally adjusted statistics for single-family starts, new homes and existing-home sales have also been advancing most months.
From Ward’s Automotive Group, the auto industry newsletter, reporting a surge in fourth-quarter auto production in North America:
Hot on the heels of an estimated 20,300-unit September production shortfall, North American car and truck assembly plants are embarking on an even more robust fourth-quarter program than the one put in place a month ago.
Although Ford has not yet revealed what revisions it has in store for October-December, the rest of the industry already has boosted production plans by some 53,900 units for the period.
The bulk of the increase is set to occur this month with 61,700 units added to the October slate, some of which likely were deferred from September and some pulled forward from December’s plan, now 16,400 units lower than it was a month ago.
But, even assuming the entire September and December downward volume adjustments are included in this month’s higher schedule, that still means an additional 16,700 vehicles in the October boost, on top of which some 8,600 units have been added to the November plan.
The largest Q4 increase comes from General Motors, up 18,500 units, mostly cars, including gains of 26,000 in October and 3,000 in November, followed by a 10,500-unit cut in its December slate…
Incorporating the revised outlook, North American plants now are in line to build some 15,692,200 cars and trucks this year, up 16.5% from 2011’s 13,471,500 completions.
– Jay Bookman
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Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
3:08 pm
More liberal media lies…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
3:12 pm
Heads exploding in 3…2…1….
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
3:12 pm
If this were true, the stock market would be way up and the unemployment rate would be falling…
And, ‘EVERYBODY KNOWS’ things are getting WORSE…so there…
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
3:13 pm
“Last week, a better-than-expected jobs report inspired scoffing among those to whom good economic news is bad political news, including suggestions that the government numbers had somehow been cooked as part of a political conspiracy.”
It has also (as this column shows) “inspired” the making of mountains out of molehills among those to whom good economic news is good political news for those who wish to spin it for political advantage (like Jay).
Tundra Dude
October 15th, 2012
3:13 pm
More liberal media lies…
Exactly. Sounds like a VAST Left Wing conspiracy…..
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 15th, 2012
3:20 pm
Agreed…hard to tell if it will be lasting or simply a bright spot in a sea of terror…..
Interesting how politicians and all of us typically suggest the government has material control over this…this of course is not the case.
Jay, do you suppose the average unemployed person or underemployed give a flip about data that is not remotely related to their well being….if we assume the unemployment including underemployment is around 15%, that’s a lot of discouraged folks who could care less about these fancy, often partisan measures..What about the 14% unemployment number among african americans?
Good signs but these will not resonate with those currently facing difficulty..
moonbat betty
October 15th, 2012
3:21 pm
I called it!
By the last week in Oct. the economy will be fully recovered.
Wow! Just in time for the election.
Imagine that?
Send your money to http://moonbatbetty.com and I will provide you with all your sports picks for the rest of the season.
stevie ray...clowns and jokers
October 15th, 2012
3:22 pm
AT least our elected officials are getting much wealthier by serving..
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_51/And-Congress-Rich-Get-Richer-209907-1.html
This is a disgrace and the second biggest factor in dysfunctional government next to private money..
EJ Moosa
October 15th, 2012
3:22 pm
One should really dig in before claiming these numbers are the truth….
Get a second opinion before swallowing the bait…
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-15/september-retail-sales-seasonal-vs-non-seasonal-spot-difference
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-14/punch-line-all-charts-thats-fit-print
St Simons
October 15th, 2012
3:22 pm
all of my clients except one, who moved back to Costa Rica- have better
financials than last year or the year before. (the Costa Rican lady, said
she was moving back for “real health care – here, you have barber
surgeons”)
after that 8 year trickle-on debacle, its pretty amazing what we
can do even with a con House trying to drag us down.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
3:24 pm
Server not found
Firefox can’t find the server at http://www.moonbatbetty.com.
moonbat betty
October 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
“barber surgeons”
lol – Yeah, run on down to costa rica if you need a quadruple by pass or brain surgery.
moonbat betty
October 15th, 2012
3:26 pm
Kam – Sorry, Thugs not allowed
Jay
October 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
Jay, do you suppose the average unemployed person or underemployed give a flip about data that is not remotely related to their well being
Sure they do. When they see 3.8 million new private-sector jobs created in the last two years, sure they care. The consumer sentiment data confirms the fact that people are feeling better about things.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
“Server not found. Firefox can’t find the server at http://www.moonbatbetty.com.”
Duh…
Janney
October 15th, 2012
3:29 pm
Yeah, Jay, quit “making mountains out of molehills” regarding the good economic news. Let’s concentrate instead on Solyndra, Fast and Furious, Rev. Wright, birth certificates, and all the myriad mountains of information that implicate President Obama in scurrilous activity.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
3:30 pm
There were storms in the area last night, betty.
Was your server taken out by a wayward Kansas farmhouse that was caught up in a tornado by chance?
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
3:31 pm
“Jay, do you suppose the average unemployed person or underemployed give a flip about data that is not remotely related to their well being.”
If they have been continually unsuccessful at finding a job, they will care very little about such numbers – because those “statistics” have not translated into anything good for them. To suppose otherwise is to not know human nature.
moonbat betty
October 15th, 2012
3:32 pm
There goes Kam wishing me harm again!
Steve-USA
October 15th, 2012
3:32 pm
I will take any good economic news we can get. Let’s hope Washington doesn’t take the recovery off the cliff.
moonbat betty
October 15th, 2012
3:34 pm
Yes, Steve, agreed.
Any news is good news, but some will tend to take the news slightly (just a teeny tiny bit) overboard.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
3:34 pm
“Yeah, Jay, quit “making mountains out of molehills” regarding the good economic news.”
Must have touched a nerve…
Cosby
October 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
As good as it sounds, and I do believe certain parts of the economy are doing better, but considering we have been in the bottom for the past four or five years, it is not surprising. sooner are later a car / vehicle has to be replaced, the washer or dryer gives out, the HVAC system needs reparing or replacing..but the question remains, is this truly a trend or a blimp on the screen. another question not addressed by this data at what cost is the economic forecost…are the purchasers going back into debt they cannot afford nor pay for, has medium income for all increased, will the continued national debt eating away at the GDP have a future affect…ahhh..a little data and we are now all driving lexus’s and vacationing in the tropics…hang on the cliff is only five more miles!!
Regnad Kcin
October 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
“If they have been continually unsuccessful at finding a job, they will care very little about such numbers ”
If I was out of work (again), I would certainly be heartened that the economy was gaining millions of jobs a year, rather that shedding them.
I would absolutely feel more positive about my job search. How could I not?
Jay
October 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
So Moosa, are you arguing that data NOT seasonally adjusted is somehow more accurate and predictive?
Really?
ITS ALL BUSH"S FAULT
October 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
Inpite of the GOP CON job and Tea Party Cluster puck Obama and the democrats have EARNED the right to a second term…4 more for 44… SUCK iT CONS!
barking frog
October 15th, 2012
3:37 pm
We have a jobs problem
slightly related to the
housing collapse that must
be addressed long term.
Just Saying..
October 15th, 2012
3:38 pm
Jay, your thoughts as to how much impact this data may have in the remaining days before Nov 6?
stands for decibels
October 15th, 2012
3:39 pm
However, Romney’s likability polling is improving, so I guess it’ll still be a close one.
Paul
October 15th, 2012
3:41 pm
And updated data just in time for the debate.
So we can hear Republican pundits claim “as a Romney victory becomes more likely, the business community and consumers respond with spending and investment, leading to positive outcomes in blah blah blah….”
Joseph
October 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
Wow jay you have been working hard today throwing out three blogs of non-sense. I guess with another epic whoppin about to go down tomorrow night your already doing damage control….
Paul
October 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
But I really am pleased more people are getting jobs and more people are buying cars and employing other Americans.
Could it be…. a strong, vibrant, healthy and growing middle class… buying cars and homes and goods…. are the real job creators?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
3:43 pm
No betty, I would not wish you harm. Think of The Wizard of Oz as a cautionary tale for one such as you.
Jay
October 15th, 2012
3:43 pm
Saying, I wouldn’t know how to guess on that one.
Jay
October 15th, 2012
3:44 pm
Joseph, your latest iteration of “nanny nanny boo boo” is duly noted, and is consistent in value with previous contributions on your part.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
3:44 pm
“I would absolutely feel more positive about my job search. How could I not?”
Because 1) getting part-time or even full time work at a fraction of what you used to make in a totally different field – just to get by – is nothing to feel positive about 2) people need career jobs and for that to happen the economy is going to have to improve DRAMATICALLY more than the month or two “bounce” we see from time to time 3) for anyone that reads the news, the larger picture is pretty bleak and anyone who suggests otherwise without a clean and viable plan for recovery is smoking weed.
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
3:45 pm
Bookman , 3:27
“3.5M private sector jobs created over the last two years”? But, as usual, you are leaving out the best part. For every private sector job that Bozo “created”, someone left the jobs hunt. Those people that left are conveniently left out of the unemployment figures. And “those improving jobs numbers” are related to part time workers, many due to the holiday season, and government jobs. Nothing substantial. Cooked numbers? Possibly not but a good through look at jobs picture? Not on your life. Just leave out the parts that don’t fit with your scenario and make it look as good as possible for your candidate. That’s called being a hack.
Logical Dude
October 15th, 2012
3:46 pm
Now, let’s see if we can pin this one on Obama, the same way we can pin the depre…errr. . . recession on Bush.
Both parties joined together didn’t make as much difference as market forces, and some markets taking advantage of limited regulation. (that both parties were paid to ignore).
The story would have been the same under McCain (sorry, no link available for my opinion there).
But yes, the economy is coming around, albiet slowly. Well, until we hit the wall between government inaction and runaway debt.
Steve-USA
October 15th, 2012
3:46 pm
Just Saying… – Jay, your thoughts as to how much impact this data may have in the remaining days before Nov 6?
If I may take that question in another direction. News like this can make people feel more comfortable about shopping in the Holiday season. The better the shopping is the the more hope the economy has to gain solid momentum.
However if after the election the next big saturation story is all negative about the fiscal cliff people might be more unlikely to make some feel good purchases.
Just my opinion with no source other than myself.
Mary Elizabeth
October 15th, 2012
3:47 pm
I just hope that Gov. Romney is not elected President because if he is, he will most certainly try to take credit for the economic turnaround, unfairly.
Last week Paul Krugman wrote that – if Republicans had not opposed President Obama’s Jobs Bill last year – the unemployment rate would now be under 7%.
Citizens should consider what Obama inherited and what he has accomplished, without any Republican support, to turn our economy around before they cast their votes in November.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 15th, 2012
3:47 pm
Well, last weekend there wasn’t hardly a stub to be found around the tee areas at Countryland Golf Club. So who you going to beleive, a bunch of lyin’ politicans or the never-fail Golf Tee Indicator? Somebody’s pulling unemployment numbers out of their south end. When good times really come around, you won’t even need to stick a golf tee in your pocket to play a round.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
Career jobs have been declining for the past generation and anyone who suggests otherwise is smoking weed.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
“So we can hear Republican pundits claim “as a Romney victory becomes more likely, the business community and consumers respond with spending and investment, leading to positive outcomes in blah blah blah….”
Funny, I can hear Democratic pundits claim we need to “stay the course with President Obama because a month or two of better-than-expected economic data proves he is leading us to the “promised land” and blah, blah, blah…
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
3:50 pm
“Career jobs have been declining for the past generation and anyone who suggests otherwise is smoking weed.”
Not intended to be an instance of self-defeating irony (but one nonetheless).
moonbat betty
October 15th, 2012
3:50 pm
“No betty, I would not wish you harm. Think of The Wizard of Oz as a cautionary tale for one such as you.”
Are you one of those flying monkeys, Kam?
AmericaShrugged
October 15th, 2012
3:50 pm
That’s great news Jay! Wanna buy my house for what I paid for it three years ago at the begining of this administration? How about taking my 401(k) off my hands for what it was worth three years ago?
This keeps up we might hit 2% GDP growth for the year.
EJ Moosa
October 15th, 2012
3:50 pm
“So Moosa, are you arguing that data NOT seasonally adjusted is somehow more accurate and predictive?
Really?”
Apples to apples is the best comparison. If you are willing to compare The unadjusted numbers from last September and this September and tell us that they indicate things are getting better then by all means do so.
You do not know what seasonal adjustments are being made and neither do I.
Tell us what things in your everyday life are seasonally adjusted. The groceries you buy? What about the gas? Your paycheck?
Do you think there is a proven list of seasonal adjustments? If so we would not have all the major revisions in numbers each time we turn around would we?
So as I stated, before you swallow the bait, look at some other data.
If the economy was doing well, do you really think you would need to tell anyone? Do you really think you would need to rely on seasonally adjusted numbers to confirm things?
Rational individuals would say no.
Seasonal adjustments are easily tweaked to come to the desired results.
Can’t do that with the non-seasonally adjusted data.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
Funny, I heard Republican pundits claim the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud, the Iraq invasion will pay for itself, we will be greeted as liberators and blah, blah, blah….
mm
October 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
And the cons boo and hiss.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
“Last week Paul Krugman wrote that – if Republicans had not opposed President Obama’s Jobs Bill last year – the unemployment rate would now be under 7%.”
Ah, yes…the “gospel” according to Krugman. You do know, ME, there are other economists besides him?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/20/more-than-500-economists-5-nobel-laureates-back-romneys-economic-strategy/
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
3:53 pm
“Are you one of those flying monkeys, Kam?”
No…he is tree bound.
mm
October 15th, 2012
3:53 pm
“That’s great news Jay! Wanna buy my house for what I paid for it three years ago at the begining of this administration? ”
Sorry Shrugged, the housing collapse started in 2007. But you cons have selective memory.
Regnad Kcin
October 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
Sm. Joe – I guessin’ your a half-empty kind of guy. I know that I would feel better about my chances of fining my “dream job” would be better when the economy is adding jobs, rather than the reverse.
You work so hard to convince yourself that is not true. I wonder why?
Mr. Snarky
October 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
Americashrugged, you should get a new broker.
Janney
October 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
Funny, my house is worth about the same as it was three years ago, but is waaay down from what it was worth in 2007. My 401(k) is in the best shape ever, since also taking a nose dive in 2007.
Steve-USA
October 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
AmericaShrugged – “That’s great news Jay! Wanna buy my house for what I paid for it three years ago at the begining of this administration? How about taking my 401(k) off my hands for what it was worth three years ago?”
Didn’t panic and sell my stocks so that portfolio and the 401(K) have all rebounded nicely. I can’t say the same about the value of my home that I bought in 2003.
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
Ol’ shrugs is lookin for a handout…taker…
Rightwing Troll
October 15th, 2012
3:56 pm
“Jay, your thoughts as to how much impact this data may have in the remaining days before Nov 6?”
Well, to the bat shiite crazy wingnuts, it’ll mean they dig in their heels… they’ve come too far, told too many lies, and ginned up the base too much, to go all warm and fuzzies over some more good economic news… they’ve working they little (angry) buns off trying to keep the economy down, time to double down…
stands for decibels
October 15th, 2012
3:56 pm
Ah, yes…the “gospel” according to Krugman.
Actually, Butthurt-From-the-Debate Guy, that figure came from the Wall Street Journal’s analyst some months ago.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/05/08/unemployment-rate-without-government-cuts-7-1/
Marty Huggins'
October 15th, 2012
3:57 pm
http://www.gallup.com/poll/112723/gallup-daily-us-consumer-spending.aspx
What consumers spend day to day is down
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
GDP is well below historic averages and has fallen for the last 2 months.
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
3:57 pm
Coincidence that all this “positive” economic data comes from the gub’ment just in time for early voting? I would argue that this data is supporting an economy that is flat at best. There will be month to month fluctuations based on the time of year. Summer months are always slower than say October.
And December (Christmas) should be better than October. How much better is this October compared to October a year ago? Up slightly is just not good enough when the Fed debt has been increased by $6,000,000,000,000 during the Obama regime.
Marty Huggins'
October 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE88Q0S720120927?irpc=932
Durable goods production is down
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/ximpim.nr0.htm
Price index for exports has risen last 2 months
Rightwing Troll
October 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
“AmericaShrugged – “That’s great news Jay! Wanna buy my house for what I paid for it three years ago at the begining of this administration? How about taking my 401(k) off my hands for what it was worth three years ago?””
Whos the dumba$$ who paid top dollar for a house during the worst, bottomed out real estate market ever??? You can thank W for the market, but you need to look in the mirror for who did this to you, take some personal responsibility and quit begging for handouts… moocher…
Jay
October 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
“How about taking my 401(k) off my hands for what it was worth three years ago?”
Well, Shrugged, since the Dow Jones average is up 34.4 percent from what it was three years ago, you must be a TERRIBLE investor to have lost money in that time frame.
For that, you want to blame Obama?
Regnad Kcin
October 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
“Coincidence that all this “positive” economic data comes from the gub’ment just in time for early voting?”
Yup!!
I f you’re suggesting a conspiracy, you’re gonn need to show some links. Otherwise, what are you getting at?
Paul
October 15th, 2012
4:00 pm
Smirkin’ Joe
“Funny, I can hear Democratic pundits claim we need to “stay the course with President Obama because a month or two of better-than-expected economic data…”
Stock market doubled. Personal portfolios past where they were before the recession. Corporate profits at record highs. CEO pay at record highs. From hundreds of thousands of jobs lost each month to positive job growth for years.
Data isn’t your strong suit, is it?
Rightwing Troll
October 15th, 2012
4:01 pm
Neither is truthiness…
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:01 pm
So Obama has bought a flat economy for $6,000,000,000,000? Jay how much is that per Obama “created” job? My calculator shut down when I tried to figure it. Absolutely went on strike!
Moon Mullins
October 15th, 2012
4:02 pm
Well, Jay can say whatever he wants to say, but I’m not believing this crap until I hear it from the nicotine stained lips of Rush Limbaugh and get a second opinion from Hannity because you can always get righteous informations from these ol’ boys. None of this partisan B.S.
EJ Moosa
October 15th, 2012
4:03 pm
“I f you’re suggesting a conspiracy, you’re gonn need to show some links.”
We can wait for the adjustments to all this date during the 12 months after the election.
And they will be coming.
Regnad Kcin
October 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:01 pm
So Obama has bought a flat economy for $6,000,000,000,000? Jay how much is that per Obama “created” job? My calculator shut down when I tried to figure it. Absolutely went on strike!
==============
Morality? – Maybe your calculator can figure out how much Bush paid for each “negative job” he created?
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
Sales are up a whopping 1 % – happy days are here again! What’s a 1 % increase in a depressed economy? Well at least it wasn’t a 1% drop in sales – that would have surely created world wide depression – I mean with such a big sudden change – being 1 % and all?????
Paul
October 15th, 2012
4:05 pm
Morality?
“So Obama has bought a flat economy ”
You have a cite demonstrating economic growth has been flat under Pres Obama?
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
4:06 pm
“Stock market doubled.”
And how was it doing in the late 20’s (to name but one instance in time)?
“Personal portfolios past where they were before the recession.”
Whose exactly? Huh?
“Corporate profits at record highs. CEO pay at record highs.”
And yet relatively little job creation.
“From hundreds of thousands of jobs lost each month to positive job growth for years.”
Basically a net zero gain. You do understand what an unemployment rate is, correct?
“Data isn’t your strong suit, is it?”
Well..it sure isn’t yours.
Wild Eyes
October 15th, 2012
4:06 pm
Jay questions:
1. What would the deficit be if Obama didn’t put the wars on the books?
2. How does Medicare Part D cost?
Thanks
indigo
October 15th, 2012
4:07 pm
It looks as though the economy is making a slow, gradual recovery.
Look for the Democrats to hail this news as the greatest thing that’s happened in the last 50 years.
Look for the Republicans to say it’s all just a pack of liberal lies.
Which of the above do you think the average American voter will believe?
(hint – think “dumbed down”
Rightwing Troll
October 15th, 2012
4:08 pm
“Look for the Democrats to hail this news as the greatest thing that’s happened in the last 50 years.”
Nope… just the last 6…
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
‘So Obama has bought a flat economy for $6,000,000,000,000?’
Dude, seriously…use your calculator to add the total of Bush tax cuts over 11 years…+ two unfunded and horribly mismanaged wars…+ a huge new unfunded entitlement program…+ the worst economic catastrophe since the great depression.
Once you add that up, tell me how much of it Obama is responsible for…
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
Retthie – That would be hard to do since Congress was controlled by the Dems…… and the President , back then, didn’t make ( or ignore) laws on the books – unlike today. I wasn’t real happy with “W” and can say I never voted for him – he didn’t know how to veto Congress’s big spending spree.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
Well, tell that guy that lost money in his 401k to invest big-time in beer stocks. Beer—it’s always going up. People drink it to drown their sorrows and they drink it to sellabrate. Heck, they even drink it when they’re thirsty.
Michael
October 15th, 2012
4:10 pm
In related news the Nobel committee has awarded the Nobel prize in economics to the democratic presidents who served since 1928. This award recognizes the increase in the value of Publicly traded companies during that period as measured by the Dow Jones Industrial Average. The individual contributions were: Roosevelt/Truman – +230; Kennedy/Johnson – +280; Carter – 0; Clinton – +7,600; Obama – +5,400. Total – +13,510. The techniques employed by these presidents included reasonable financial regulations and use of Keynesian economics to stimulate growth during times of weak private demand.
The comparison was drawn to the changes in the value of publicly traded companies during the terms of republican presidents since 1928. Hoover – -260; Eisenhower – +370; Nixon/Ford – +20; Reagan/Bush1 – +2,350; Bush2 – -2,900. Total – -160. The techniques employed by these presidents included financial deregulation, and supply side economics.
In view of the final score of +13,510 to -160 the committee awarded this prize by acclamation.
Rightwing Troll
October 15th, 2012
4:10 pm
“Dude, seriously…use your calculator to add the total of Bush tax cuts over 11 years…+ two unfunded and horribly mismanaged wars…+ a huge new unfunded entitlement program…+ the worst economic catastrophe since the great depression.
Once you add that up, tell me how much of it Obama is responsible for…”
The only answer you’ll get from a wingnut will be: 1000% of it…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
4:11 pm
JAY,
BS on your 3:27…your suggesting that those currently unemployed or underemployed are excited about 3.8 billion jobs none of which they possess? Help me understand that logic..
Is this part of BS team BO is trying to sell that the country being better off translates to these folks being better off?
WOW, a total of 125k net jobs..woooo hooo..
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-27/payroll-revisions-signal-economy-has-created-jobs-under-obama.html
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 15th, 2012
4:11 pm
Jay you have to use the Sir Charles Barkley “Turribile” instead of terrible to really emphasize it. As in “Turrible, that’s just turrible investing”.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
4:14 pm
RIGHTWING TROLL
Here’s an answer you may not like about deficits…
Both are answerable…of course, BO has done zero to stem the flow..
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-27/payroll-revisions-signal-economy-has-created-jobs-under-obama.html
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:14 pm
NEWS FLASH : All wars are unfunded – at least Vietnam on was. That one was on the Dems watch – namely LBJ. Paul – I did not mean to give Obama so much credit by stating his economy was flat.. Sorry. Recent stats say that the economy has been flat in recent months -real recent real flat.
AmericaShrugged
October 15th, 2012
4:16 pm
Rightwing – Late 2009 looked like a housing bottom, down 15% or so from 2007 and the Pres baited me with that $8000 credit. If I could have foreseen the recovery you’re talking about would be so strong that my house value would drop another 15% even with interest rates dropping to around 3.5% I would have told them to keep that $8000! ATL market went down a little later than most of the country and has been a lot slowe rto recover as most of you know, probably due to Gov Deal I’m sure!
Point is, news the last few weeks has been good, but the last 3 1/2 years of Obama have not.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
4:17 pm
JAY,
We are no where near better off…
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-u6-the-scary-side-of-the-unemployment-numbers
Paul
October 15th, 2012
4:17 pm
Smirkin Joe
“And how was it doing in the late 20’s”
[[What's 90 years back have to do with it?]]
“Personal portfolios past where they were before the recession.”
Whose exactly? Huh?
[[See Jay's 3:59. Then pay someone to manage your investments. Such as they may be.]]
“Corporate profits at record highs. CEO pay at record highs.”
And yet relatively little job creation.
[[Move those goalposts when you can't refute the data]]
“From hundreds of thousands of jobs lost each month to positive job growth for years.”
Basically a net zero gain. You do understand what an unemployment rate is, correct?
[[Now you're arguing you'd prefer 2.5 million jobs lost and no jobs added since the bottom. That's pathetic.]]
“Data isn’t your strong suit, is it?”
Well..it sure isn’t yours.
Just as you were with you previous monikers, you demonstrate no original thoughts, no ability to integrate multiple points into a conclusion, only the capability to stand back and make disparaging remarks. No solutions, only whining about what you see as problems.
I’d really like it if you could prove that last paragraph incorrect, but it appears it is simply beyond your ability.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
4:17 pm
Boom goes the economy and cons heads.
The gop are not in the way.
The October jobs report is going to be good.
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
4:17 pm
‘Here’s an answer you may not like about deficits…’
Nothing in there about deficits…looks like a political spin article…
Mary Elizabeth
October 15th, 2012
4:18 pm
Smirkin’ Joe, 3:52 pm
“Ah, yes…the ‘gospel’ according to Krugman. You do know, ME, there are other economists besides him?”
———————————————————————
Not any economists that I trust as much as I trust Krugman’s opinions. When Krugman stated – before any others had done so – WHY Republicans deliberately ran up the deficit in the 2000s and his ideas coincided with the very same reasons I had been thinking but had been reticent to post because they were controversial, I knew I could trust his thinking. And, I certainly would never trust anything the “Daily Caller” puts forth. I see that media outlet as a “propaganda machine” for the unsuspecting and unaware.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/22/opinion/22krugman.html?scp=1&sq=Paul Krugman, The Bankruptcy Boys, 2/22/10&st=Search
Krugman’s last lines in the above link, from his Feb. 22, 2010 column, entitled “The Bankruptcy Boys”:
“Depriving the government of revenue, it turns out, wasn’t enough to push politicians into dismantling the welfare state. So now the de facto strategy is to oppose any responsible action until we are in the midst of a fiscal catastrophe. You read it here first.”
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:18 pm
1 % JUMP – let’s celebrate!!!! Just how high can 1 % jump? Like a LEAP – or maybe more like a baby step.
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
‘the Pres baited me with that $8000 credit.’
Now that’s funny!!
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
“Actually, Butthurt-From-the-Debate Guy, that figure came from the Wall Street Journal’s analyst some months ago.”
Actually, I am not “hurt” by the debate but just wanted to remind everyone that we have a 69 year child sitting as VP. And it is really amusing to see liberals pretend he that old Joe was NOT acting undignified and childishly (when even some pretty liberal media people have). But your “touchy” response suggests either my moniker or post (or both) touched a nerve.
As for the WSJ article to which you linked, are you suggesting that Klugman plagiarized it? In any event, even the HP has enough sense to recognize the disclaimer in the article:
To be sure, playing the numbers game with jobs data is a tricky business. If the government hadn’t cut jobs, the WSJ points out, then fewer people would’ve left the workforce, pushing up the share of people actively searching for work. So maybe the rate wouldn’t have dropped.
Regnad Kcin
October 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
” the Pres baited me with that $8000 credit.”
Man up and take responsibility for yourself, dude!
Pretty sad…
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
4:20 pm
“Not any economists that I trust as much as I trust Krugman’s opinions…And, I certainly would never trust anything the “Daily Caller” puts forth. I see that media outlet as a “propaganda machine” for the unsuspecting and unaware.”
The sand is right over there…
getalife
October 15th, 2012
4:21 pm
Thank you President Obama for saving our economy from the bush recession.
You earned and deserve my vote.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
4:22 pm
MARY ELIZABETH
Krugman is way too biased to put as much faith are you are putting in him…he is a complete liberal rube…I like reading him but it’s best to balance with other economists…he started a liberal and he works for the most liberal, biased newspaper in the history of newspapers..
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:22 pm
When I get a 1 % pay raise I am going to go out and pay off my mortgage. Well maybe I can get a Kiddie Meal at Burger King. Looky here I got me a toy Obama bobble head with my meal.
ld
October 15th, 2012
4:24 pm
Economic data that might influence the election could matter; however, after the election, all bets are off — regardless of who wins the election, everything changes — it’s only a matter of direction. This article on the fiscal cliff explains why.
http://nymag.com/news/politics/elections-2012/obama-romney-economic-plans-2012-10/
Citizen of the World
October 15th, 2012
4:26 pm
I wish I had the capacity to vanquish bad good news or bad bad news by simply deciding that the source was not to be trusted. And if I was a devotee of Fox News and right-wing talk, I’m sure it would be easy, as I would have been brainwashed to believe that any thing the government and/or the mainstream media says is a lie.
Rightwing Troll
October 15th, 2012
4:28 pm
“When I get a 1 % pay raise I am going to go out and pay off my mortgage. Well maybe I can get a Kiddie Meal at Burger King. Looky here I got me a toy Obama bobble head with my meal.”
Could be worse… it could be 2007 again…
josef
October 15th, 2012
4:29 pm
On topic
Boring. The Economics majors are getting too much time. Give is Liberal Arts majors some time. Purty graphics, though.
So, what’s the kvetch of the day? Who’s pissed off at whom?
Tundra Dude
October 15th, 2012
4:30 pm
your thoughts as to how much impact this data may have in the remaining days before Nov 6?
Much ado about nutin”.
My official Conspiracy sites (better than my phoney ones) claim the fix is in for RMoney.
BO was tapped on the shoulder, was told his time was up.
He took a dive in that (so called) debate.
Ms. Moneybags, Pritzker, is not raising $$ for his campaign.
She’s Hustling for Dollars for his retirement home in Hawaii.
My Chicago source sez there are NO plans for a victory celebration at any city park, stadium, auditorium.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
4:30 pm
“What’s 90 years back have to do with it?”
It was a single instance. But I guess you are incapable of logical deduction. That is, how well Wall Street is doing at any point in time is NOT indicative of the overall health of the economy (and THAT is what we are speaking of, correct?).
“Move those goalposts when you can’t refute the data”
Thanks for that advise, but I’ll leave that to you.
“I’d really like it if you could prove that last paragraph incorrect, but it appears it is simply beyond your ability.”
All it takes is a link, there, genius. From an April Money article:
Meanwhile, the unemployment rate, has already fallen to 8.5% — getting closer to the 7.8% it was at when Obama was inaugurated.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/11/news/economy/obama_jobs_record/index.htm
Got any hymns you want us to sing to Obama?
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:31 pm
Maybe some of you are dumb enough to vote for this 1 % jump Prez ….. seriously 1 % . For you simple minded, say you got 100 pennies and you picked up one you found on the ground (that’s a 1% jump!). Is that penny worth your vote? Is that all you think you deserve for your vote? Do you think we can pay the interest on the Fed debt with a 1% so-called Jump? Obama, Nanny Pelosi and Hairy Weed had their 4 year spending spree – time to pay the piper . time to get serious with someone that actually understands Economics 101 – as an Economist Obama makes a good class action lawsuit lawyer. He has never opened an Economics book in his life. Now if you are looking for a “community activist” (whatever that is) hire Obama. But as Prez – not so much.
Regnad Kcin
October 15th, 2012
4:33 pm
A penny?
Morality?, did happy hour start early where you are?
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
4:35 pm
“Krugman is way too biased to put as much faith are you are putting in him…he is a complete liberal rube…I like reading him but it’s best to balance with other economists…he started a liberal and he works for the most liberal, biased newspaper in the history of newspapers.”
What leads you to THAT conclusion…his recent characterization of Romney’s inaccuracies in the debates as lies but Obama’s as “minor fudges” (even though almost every fact checker proves him to be wrong in this assessment)?
Mary Elizabeth
October 15th, 2012
4:37 pm
Stevie Ray, 4:22 pm
“. . .he (Krugman) started a liberal and he works for the most liberal, biased newspaper in the history of newspapers.”
====================================
I have no doubt that that is your opinion, Stevie Ray.
You may not know this, but I have been reading the New York Times and agreeing with most of its opinions since I lived in NYC as a young woman from 1963 -1970. (I had my liberal leaning views, btw, before I ever moved to NYC from Georgia. About checking out other economists: Like Paul Newman said of JoAnne Woodward, his wife and fellow thespian, “Why should I look around for hamburger when I have steak at home?!” (I don’t think Woodward was especially fond of Newman’s musings where she was compared to cuts of meat!
I have limited time in my day. I have seen much BS spin over the years, so I don’t need to “balance” Krugman’s thoughts in economics with many others. If I earned my living as a journalist I would of course need to read extensively in these areas, but since I don’t, I know what I think and have thought over the years. I think for myself. Krugman views just happen to mirror most of my own thinking. And, of course, I try to learn from his more extensive knowledge in the area or economics. The fact that he is a Nobel Prize winner in economics doesn’t hurt, either.
Gone for the afternoon.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 15th, 2012
4:37 pm
I have never heard of the automaker “AA/Flat Rock Assembly”, but they are doing way better than Mitsubishi. The Eclipse Spyder was a cool little car. It will be missed.
josef
October 15th, 2012
4:37 pm
Buy low, sell high.
The black column should be higher than the red column/
If you can’t pay cash for it, you can’t afford it.
That’s all I ever learned about this Economics cabala, and all I’ve ever needed to know. But, then, I’m a simpleton.
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:39 pm
Be back when we get some real news on the economy……. til then trying to getting a brain dead zombie for Obama to understand that we are in a serious mess. A $16,000,000,000,000 debt ain’t nothing that will be cured with a 1 % jump in anything. Obama PROMISED that the FED debt would be lower than it was when he cam in to office. A $6,000,000,000,000 increase – I guess he was a LITTLE off on his promise.
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
4:40 pm
‘Is that penny worth your vote?’
Morality? did you vote for McCain in 2008 (and, as such, a vote for essentially an extension of the Bush policies…)?
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
4:41 pm
‘ Obama PROMISED that the FED debt would be lower than it was when he cam in to office.’
Would love to see that link…Thanks in advance…
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:41 pm
I could use a drink – being one o the few remaining tax payers having to pay off $16,000,000,000,000 – guess I will have to give up going to the movies.
josef
October 15th, 2012
4:42 pm
The NYT is liberal? I’ll go for centrist leaning to conservative. Been reading it all my life. Delivered RFD to a cotton patch in North Mississippi. All the news that fits. Of course, it is the product of the Daughters of the Confederacy…
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
4:43 pm
“I think for myself. Krugman views just happen to mirror most of my own thinking.”
Or is it the other way around? Krugman thinks for himself and your thinking mirrors his?
“And, of course, I try to learn from his more extensive knowledge in the area or economics. The fact that he is a Nobel Prize winner in economics doesn’t hurt, either.”
That is funny. The article I linked to earlier cited 5 (count ‘em, five) “Nobel Prize winners” as being supportive of Romney’s plan. But…I guess they are not “real” Nobel Prize winners winners are they? Or does it just follow from the liberal premise that conservatives or those who offer support for conservatives just CAN’T be right?
Gone for the afternoon.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
4:43 pm
Be back when we get some real news on the economy…
Not intended to be a factual statement.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
4:43 pm
“Encouraging economic data, from sources public and private”–JAY “Pasha Strelnikov” Bookman
Well, it looks like Comrade Obama is on the Fast Track to winning the Election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXKHTTzayU
Paul
October 15th, 2012
4:45 pm
Smirkin Joe
“It was a single instance. But I guess you are incapable of logical deduction. That is, how well Wall Street is doing at any point in time is NOT indicative of the overall health of the economy (and THAT is what we are speaking of, correct?).”
Nope. It was in reference to your 3:48 “I can hear Democratic pundits claim we need to “stay the course with President Obama because a month or two of better-than-expected economic data proves he is leading us to the “promised land” and blah, blah, blah…”
This is what happens to you goalpost-movers. You forget where you last put them.
““I’d really like it if you could prove that last paragraph incorrect, but it appears it is simply beyond your ability.”
All it takes is a link, there, genius. From an April Money article:”
Smirkin’ Joe, I wasn’t referring to your ability to Google an article and link to it.
But congratulations on that.
What I said was, “Just as you were with you previous monikers, you demonstrate no original thoughts, no ability to integrate multiple points into a conclusion, only the capability to stand back and make disparaging remarks. No solutions, only whining about what you see as problems.”
Mighty Righty
October 15th, 2012
4:45 pm
This report is like a starving unemployed Democrat who hasn’t eaten in three days finding a half eaten two day old balogna sandwich saying things are a lot better than yesterday. Well, he is right. Things are definitely better than yesterday.
EJ Moosa
October 15th, 2012
4:46 pm
Obama’s Debt Pledge
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/23/news/economy/fiscal_summit/index.htm
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:47 pm
Did not vote for “W”. Did not vote for Obama…… will vote for Romney. Who did you vote for? The only honest candidate we have had in the last 20 years was Ross Perot. If we had elected him and followed his policies we would not be in this mess now. The Dems and Repubs, Jessie Jackson and the news media jumped on him with both feet……. he was a threat to their lavish life style and their gravy train (us tax payers).
Paul
October 15th, 2012
4:48 pm
Morality?
“Be back when we get some real news on the economy……. til then trying to getting a brain dead zombie for Obama to understand that we are in a serious mess. A $16,000,000,000,000 debt ain’t nothing that will be cured with a 1 % jump in anything. Obama PROMISED that the FED debt would be lower than it was when he cam in to office. A $6,000,000,000,000 increase – I guess he was a LITTLE off on his promise.”
What, specifically, would you have recommended to avoid any additional debt from Pres Obama’s inauguration to now?
Or is your point you don’t care about the level, just it isn’t where he said it would be?
EJ Moosa
October 15th, 2012
4:48 pm
“The president’s budget proposal will project that the estimated $1.3 trillion deficit inherited from the Bush administration will be halved to $533 billion by 2013, or from 9.2% of the gross domestic product to 3%, the official said
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/23/news/economy/fiscal_summit/index.htm
USMC
October 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
“Be back when we get some real news on the economy…
Not intended to be a factual statement.”–KAMSPAM
-not intended to be a factual statement
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
MARY ELIZABETH, SMIRKING JOE AND OTHERS
Here is one example of a counter to Krugmans continued liberal leanings (understatement)..if all you read is Krugman…you are only considering one of many, many well credentialed economists…you would do well to read those offering counter arguments to him….I don’t recall him or any NYT’s editorials remotely supporting Bush, Romney or any other non-liberal causes…this is by no means anything other than a completely liberal newspaper where the ratios of liberal positions versus the contrary are ridiculous…it is about as left leaning as the voters there..surprise..
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
4:50 pm
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kylesmith/2012/05/24/paul-krugman-is-a-aaa-rated-security-gone-bad/
josef
October 15th, 2012
4:50 pm
USMC
“Pasha Strelnikov” Bookman”
Okay, thass a good ‘un!
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
4:50 pm
‘Obama’s Debt Pledge’
Wow, that’s a far cry from Morality?’s claim.
Did you bash Bush for saying, ‘we can have these tax cuts and still have trillions in surplus?’
Morality?
October 15th, 2012
4:50 pm
I take that back…… I think Ralph Nader is honest. though a bit naive.
Obama is over
October 15th, 2012
4:51 pm
1.3% GDP growth. Enough said. As far as former Enron advisor Paul Krugman goes, he lost all credibility with me when he assigned the blame for Gabby Gifford’s assasination attempt on the Tea Party.His job is to sell papers and consequently he concentrates on inflamatory partisan dribble rather than economic facts. Although the daily battle between Krugman and James Taranto is one of the simple pleasures in life.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
4:51 pm
Did not vote for w or not man enough to admit you did it twice con.
Lets face it, you can’t believe a word they type and they fight for those who need no help.
Rightwing Troll
October 15th, 2012
4:52 pm
“Maybe some of you are dumb enough to vote for this 1 % jump Prez ….. seriously 1 % . For you simple minded, say you got 100 pennies and you picked up one you found on the ground (that’s a 1% jump!).”
That penny profit is mite bit better than your last president made you. And now you pine for his policies to return… that’s what’s dumb… you “stayed the course” with a mentally challenged disaster and want to bail on the one who has righted W’s ship…
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
4:52 pm
Morality?, question for you at 4:41…still waiting…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
4:52 pm
MOOSA,
Just one of dozens of promises BO made that were completely disgarded…
getalife
October 15th, 2012
4:53 pm
Dowd on the return of the neocons is good stuff.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
4:54 pm
Oh dear, Atlas Shrugged II pulled in about the same amount of money on opening weekend as AS I did but on three times as many screens.
Samantha Mathis isn’t saving this franchise.
TM
October 15th, 2012
4:56 pm
Great News with all these people working and spending money, increasing GDP and increasing values of homes; tax revenues should be pouring into the treasuries of local, State and Federal governments so we don’t need to increase taxes but just cut spending.
josef
October 15th, 2012
4:56 pm
IMAM AL SHARIFF BIG DADDY BRUIN TORQUEMADA…
Uh, isn’t the topic of the next debate supposed to be foreign policy? Why are we still yapping about economics? Seriously…why?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
4:56 pm
LORD,
To be fair, he did promise to reduce deficit by half and to reduce growth in the accumulation of total debt..
http://factcheck.org/2009/03/obama-and-the-deficit/
Tundra Dude
October 15th, 2012
4:56 pm
Ah, yes…the “gospel” according to Krugman. You do know, ME, there are other economists besides him?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/20/more-than-500-economists-5-nobel-laureates-back-romneys-economic-strategy/
How many thousands of economists did they poll/interview to get 500….?
There Is No Nobel Prize in Economics
The award’s real name is the “Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel.” It was not established by Nobel, but supposedly in memory of Nobel. It’s a ruse and a PR trick, and I mean that literally. And it was done completely against the wishes of the Nobel family.
http://bit.ly/TH6K4E
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
4:57 pm
‘Samantha Mathis isn’t saving this franchise.’
I’ll wait until it comes out on regular TV…and then watch something else…
getalife
October 15th, 2012
4:58 pm
Great news for our country is bad news for our cons.
That is very sad.
What happened to country first cons?
You need to look at yourselves and ask yourself what are you doing cheering against your own country. Are you sick in the head?
USMC
October 15th, 2012
4:58 pm
“Would love to see that link…Thanks in advance…”–Lord Help Us
FEB 2009: Obama Pledges to Cut the Deficit in Half By the End of His First Term in Office
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGt4LYMXQpo
USMC
October 15th, 2012
4:59 pm
“Okay, thass a good ‘un!”–josef
I thought you would like that, josef.
Hope you and yours had a great weekend!
Mr_B
October 15th, 2012
5:00 pm
“Because 1) getting part-time or even full time work at a fraction of what you used to make in a totally different field – just to get by – is nothing to feel positive about ”
Never have unemployed for very long, have ya, Joe?
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
5:00 pm
‘To be fair, he did promise to reduce deficit by half and to reduce growth in the accumulation of total debt..’
True dat…
Although, I will throw the cons a bone here and say that his promise to reform healthcare without a mandate during the dem primaries (cuz it helped him beat Hillary) was much more egregious.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
5:00 pm
I’ll wait until it comes out on regular TV…and then watch something else…
Once this thing hits Wal-Mart there will be no stopping it.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:00 pm
“Dowd on the return of the neocons is good stuff”–getalife
DOWD is an out-of-touch Lunatic!
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:01 pm
The gop walked away from a 4 trillion cut for the wealthy. Fact.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:01 pm
“Uh, isn’t the topic of the next debate supposed to be foreign policy? Why are we still yapping about economics? Seriously…why?”–josef
BENGHAZI!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:02 pm
OBAMA IS OVER,
Funny I forgot about his “arrangement” with Enron…I did like him in Get Him to the Greek..
Here’s the Economist (probably the best non partisan economics read going) opinon of Krugman..A THINKING MANS MICHAEL MOORE..
In a 2003 article, The Economist noted that Krugman’s critics argue that “his relentless partisanship is getting in the way of his argument”. The Economist also wrote that the vast majority of Krugman’s columns feature attacks on Republicans and almost none criticize Democrats, making him “a sort of ivory-tower folk-hero of the American left—a thinking person’s Michael Moore”.[17]
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:02 pm
usmc,
Dowd or you?
Tundra Dude
October 15th, 2012
5:02 pm
isn’t the topic of the next debate supposed to be foreign policy?
The questions allowed, and the answers, have already been decided. Warmongers rule!!
nobodyyouknow
October 15th, 2012
5:02 pm
Jay, would you please find out how many jobs were originally lost?. I beleive some jobs have come back, however there were so many lost its not helping much. My son has always done construction work. He’s been out of work over a year. Not much construction going on. I have a nephew who was laid off over 2 years ago. He and his roomate have run out of unemployment. And are unable to find work. If there are so many jobs out there where the hell are they?
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
5:02 pm
USMC at 4:58. Please read Morality?’s post at 4:39 if you want to help a brutha out…
He said, ‘ Obama PROMISED that the FED debt would be lower than it was when he cam in to office.’
If i were you, I’d let him hang with that one on his own…
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:03 pm
USMC
It was as it should have been…getting in the Holiday season spirit…getting the packets of sugar drenched to hell with the nutrition nazis packets made up for the little snot noses, laying in the Thanksgiving plans for the tribal get-together, and starting on the Christmas decorations…happy time sh*t…
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:03 pm
“Encouraging economic data, from sources public and private”–Pasha Bookman
US National Debt Clock : Real Time
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:04 pm
Krugman predicted the collapse did you.
If you read him you would have got out of the market at 14,000 then buy low after the collapse.
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:06 pm
TUNDRA
Is Obama’s FP warmongering in your opinion? I’d be interested in your take….
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:07 pm
LORD,
As you may gather, I’m not supportive of either candidate and post at liberal and right sites picking fights with each..
All this “you suck” and “you suck more” is really hand jive…the 800 lb gorilla is the fact that due to special interest money and our elected gomers spending 30% of their time raising money, the government is failing ALL of us…it is dysfunctional so all results are flawed.
Promises broken that meant the most to me: “the days of lobbyist controlling the DC agenda are over…” and if you recall he was going to prosecute Wall Street and Telecom….the outcome was the former ended up being one of his biggests contributors and the latter, despite his promise to push a filibuster to make sure telecom paid for its illegal wire tapping, he got cash from them and then pushed a bill through that actually granted telecom immunity for the eavedropping…
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:08 pm
STEVIE
I had never heard “a thinking man’s Michael Moore…” But it does seem pretty apt a description to me. I’d go for pompous, self-imported ass, but, then, I don’t hold “economists” in the highest regard…
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:08 pm
The CIA and special forces found some targets in Libya.
Payback time.
He is going to drone them.
Rightwing Troll
October 15th, 2012
5:09 pm
“And are unable to find work. If there are so many jobs out there where the hell are they?”
Programming and interwebs development is going nuts. Housing is coming back, retail construction is flat and will be for a while, too many units.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:10 pm
stevie,
Read Politico:
‘LOBBYISTS READY FOR COMEBACK UNDER ROMNEY’
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:11 pm
getalife
“Krugman predicted the collapse did you.”
Nostradamus predicted Hitler, too. St John of Patmos predicted the Apocalypse. The Delphic Oracle predicted…
Like I said, cabbala…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
5:12 pm
Josh Mandel dodged more questions than a teenager coming home late on prom night
Heh, heh, heh.
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
5:13 pm
SR at 5:07 – WORD!!
I feel your pain (and I’m doing the Clinton ‘feel your pain face’ as I write this).
The duplicity is insulting. It is a matter of degrees between the parties…for the most part.
The part that I currently have a problem with is the insanity I see in the GOP party. If not for the batcrap crazy party, I would likely vote for Romney…
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:13 pm
corporate media fact checkers work for the gop and romney so:
FACT CHECK: Be your own fact-checker Tuesday night
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121015/us-debate-fact-check-guide/
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:13 pm
Swing States poll: Women push Romney into lead…
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/15/swing-states-poll-women-voters-romney-obama/1634791/
more Drudgy spam… from USA Today
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:15 pm
USMC
Personally, I kinda like Dowd myself…even if she and the Imam did go memo on my man Barack’s statement on his evolution on gay marriage as being “no profile in courage…” She’s still a good plantation liberal, and has a pretty good education in the liberal arts. Not every columnist can compose a column in nearly flawless Latin…
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:15 pm
The UNFORTUNATE TRUTH:
Under the Obama Regime:
“For Every Person Added to Labor Force, 10 Added to Those Not in Labor Force”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/every-person-added-labor-force-10-added-those-not-labor-force_654547.html
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:17 pm
josef,
There were only a few economists and Senators that predicted the collapse.
The Dow was at 14,000 and unemployment was decent then it froze up and many banks and companies failed. 9 million lost jobs.
I had skin in the game so I paid attention.
Jay
October 15th, 2012
5:18 pm
A question for our conservatives (and anybody else out there):
In percentage terms, how much did total federal spending increase between fiscal 2008 and fiscal 2012, after taking inflation into account? I’m not asking for the actual figure — I’m trying to get a feel for how much people THINK that spending has increased under Obama.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:18 pm
GETALIFE,
Krugman has made his share of horrible predictions, generally in effort to continue as BO’s economic champion…he projected 4% growth (its around 1.7 % and holding steady), he suggested that the 911 NYC attacks would do some economic good, he said in 2010 that every single thing the right said about why Obamanomics would fail was wrong. He even bet conservative economists that he was right about 4% growth…he never made good on his promise..
Lord Help Us
October 15th, 2012
5:19 pm
‘how much did total federal spending increase between fiscal 2008 and fiscal 2012′
Less than the previous 4 years?
Boris Badnoff
October 15th, 2012
5:20 pm
Strange these glad tidings of good joy or whatever haven’t made it to the Koch brothers.
http://newsone.com/2061208/koch-brothers-employees-voting/
My sister is a flaming liberal Democrat who voted for The Messiah, worked for Koch, and was laid off. She came in one morning, was called to a conference room, and the Big Guy from Kansas gave them the news and 15 minutes later they were in the parking lot with their pink slip. I particularly enjoyed sending her an article that one of the Koch brothers paid around $ 1 Million for a tin type of Billy the Kid.
Personally I’m delighted the economy is picking up. I shall celebrate tonight with an extra large bowl of gruel. I knew those spider webs in my wallet had to be a mirage.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:20 pm
“Personally, I kinda like Dowd myself…”–Josef
We just disagree. I think Dowd, like Jay, is then typical “Intellectually Dishonest” Liberal columnist, like Jay, who is in the “Tank” for the Leftwing cause and pushes whatever the Party Operatives put on their plates. Just my opinion.
Jay
October 15th, 2012
5:20 pm
Dowd’s a self-indulgent hack, Josef. Her batting average on her columns is about .085, although on the rare occasions on which she makes contact, she does show some power.
Oh, and the next debate is on domestic AND foreign policy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
5:21 pm
I’m trying to get a feel for how much people THINK that spending has increased under Obama.
A bazillion gazillion percent.
pogo
October 15th, 2012
5:21 pm
A country that is 16 trillion in debt has no economic good news. Our debt has now surpassed our GDP which is a barrier that, once broken, means that the nation is in really, really bad shape and there is practically no way to go back. But your real goal is only to delay the bad news until after the election, isn’t it Jay? There are 47 million people in this country on foodstamps and the able bodied working population who actually have a job is at a low we haven’t seen in decades. It seems that you and the leftists want nothing but Obama to be re-elected and in your minds, after that happens, the daisies will bloom and the unicorns will fly and everything will be alright again. If he is re-elected, the jubilation won’t last long as the reality of where we are at as a nation will come crashing down on all of us. He will do nothing but exacerbate the problem by enacting un-ending expansion of government (and destruction of personnal freedom) and more and more deficit spending to maintain this government control because these are all he knows to do. Obama and the liberals use entitlements as a means to enslave those people who don’t want to work and that don’t have any personnal pride or dignity and who are fine with getting everything they have from someone else. It is an age old liberal tactic that hasn’t changed since the sixties and apparently it is working. In a few days we will know which way this country will go. Four more years of Obama will finish this country off and Orwell’s prediction of no personnal freedom because of “Big Brother” will finally prove to accurate.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:22 pm
stevie,
Most economists missed the collapse.
I think that is bigger than missing the growth rate.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:22 pm
A Star is Born!
Tea Party Drops Hardcore Ad Starring ‘Obama Phone’ Lady
http://nation.foxnews.com/tea-party/2012/10/15/tea-party-drops-hardcore-ad-starring-obama-phone-lady
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:23 pm
LORD,
I can’t vote for either as any vote is a vote for the status quo…congress folks increase their wealth by 25% over past couple years while we suffer…nothing will get done no matter who has that crappy job..special interests and our elected folks will continue to prosper…nothing else really matters to me…
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:23 pm
Our President cut spending but don’t know the total. He was willing to sign a 4 trillion cut but the gop walked away.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:25 pm
I never read Dowd until the neocon slither back piece. She is not a fan of dan senor and the Iraq disaster.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:26 pm
“Dowd’s a self-indulgent hack, Josef. Her batting average on her columns is about .085, although on the rare occasions on which she makes contact, she does show some power.”–Jay Bookman
I am SPEECHLESS…….. and owe Jay Bookman an apology for lumping him in with Dowd.
he is truly a hack! Pasha don’t Play!
“I apologize Jay Bookman!”
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:27 pm
….she is truly a hack!.. sorry, itchy trigger finger
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:27 pm
USMC
I give Dowd her credit for being a wit and possessed on a good education. I will agree with you on her and the Imam both pushing whatever is put on their plates, but, then, you don’t bite the hand that feeds you. On both counts, I strongly suspect that if you got a few drinks in them down to the county line juke joint, a whole different persona and world view would come out. You can catch glimpses of it when they let down their editorial stance guard from time to time…I wouldn’t call either of them intellectually “dishonest…” Too strong a word for me…narrow minded from time to time and limited in perspective, but honestly so…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:29 pm
JAY,
Would you ask a question you didn’t already have an answer to? Of course everything you say suggests you see nothing your messiah has gotten wrong..I’m not a republican nor democrat but like to pick fights with both…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/09/american-crossroads/ad-says-barack-obamas-spending-drove-us-5-trillion/
Paul
October 15th, 2012
5:30 pm
getalife
“The CIA and special forces found some targets in Libya.
Payback time.
He is going to drone them.”
May I say ‘told you so?” About a week or two when people were going on about it and I wrote Pres Obama’s likely already signed the kill order and the intel guys were getting the targeting data prepped?”
JAY
I’d guess a couple percent, tops. Bunches less if one takes out entitlements.
Jay
October 15th, 2012
5:30 pm
Dowd does snide.
Period.
It’s her entire schtick. When being snide fits the topic, she can do it well. But when EVERY topic is used as a vehicle for being snide, it just doesn’t work.
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:32 pm
IMAM
Like I said, I like Dowd, but, then, I like you, too…so what do I know? And, well, y’all DID agree on the same day that my man was “no profile in courage…” So maybe she IS a self-indulgent hack…
As for AND foreign policy…well, true that, but it’s as close to foreign policy as it appears we’re going to get, and it’s foreign affairs that are going to bite the next Prez in the butt…
Paul
October 15th, 2012
5:33 pm
One question I’d like an answer to after reading the last bit of posts: those on the Right are going on and on and on about “Obama said he’d do this or cut the deficit by that or whatever.”
Why is it those making the statements are so condemnatory regarding those statements but blithely disregard any of the ‘Me? I never said that…. really!!!” statements by Candidate Romney?
I’m just trying to figure out why you blast one and accept the other.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:34 pm
“It’s come full circle. The neocons are now using classic anti-semitic tropes to attack Maureen Dowd for criticizing Romney adviser Dan Senor and the other neocons who are in charge of the Romney campaign’s foreign policy apparatus. See this in Commentary, typical of the anti-Dowd onslaught.
Dowd’s column [Sunday] was about neoconservatives who, after their ignominious history of pressuring the U.S. to attack Iraq, are now “slithering” into the Romney campaign to be in place to do the same thing with Iran.”
http://www.nytexaminer.com/2012/09/the-attacks-on-maureen-dowd-are-themselves-anti-semitic/
Loved that article and senor is a lying failed neocon.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
5:34 pm
Jerry Springer analogy in 3…2…1….
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:35 pm
IMAM
Now as for Dowd and snide, I would agree with you on that…that’s why I say I KINDA like her…I like snide when it’s done well. That’s why I hang out here so much…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:36 pm
GETALIFE,
What good did getting the collapse right do us all? Many others predicted the same thing…assuming the growth rate at 4% impacted budget assumptions so it may well have impacted decisions…
Doggone/GA
October 15th, 2012
5:36 pm
“I’m just trying to figure out why you blast one and accept the other”
Easy! IOKIYAR
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
5:37 pm
As the Bush Depression recedes and the Obama Recovery rolls into another year, there is some reason, albeit a smallish one, to be encouraged.
The motto for this election – ANYONE but another neocon.
And just for you White Power type Republicans…
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/66301_2549996045262_1567890637_n.jpg
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:38 pm
getalife
That series of attacks on Dowd as being anti-Semitic was uncalled for, imeoiauo,
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:39 pm
stevie,
If you know a collapse is coming cash out then wait for the market to hit bottom and buy.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:41 pm
josef,
neocons have thin skin.
They are dangerous and should not be in government because when you fail, get out.
They slithered back and Dowd had the guts to call them out.
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:41 pm
getalife
@ 5:39
Yep.
Jay
October 15th, 2012
5:42 pm
Josef, the third debate is scheduled to focus on foreign policy.
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
JAY
@ 5:42
Thanks for that…tells you just how much attention I’ve been paying…
Paul
October 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
Doggone/GA
Thanks for the response. I was really hoping some of the conservatives would explain it, but evidently they were too embarrassed by the hypocrisy of it all -
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:46 pm
JAY,
Have you heard anything about when the latest unemployment figures will be restated as more data comes to fruitition? I know they generally adjust up or down…what about the California issue?
Wonder if they will be re-stated before election..
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
5:46 pm
“The motto for this election – ANYONE but another neocon.”
These individuals didn’t express this sentiment quite as well as you, JV:
http://www.infowars.com/new-threats-to-riot-if-obama-loses-election/
But, hey, that’s democracy at work, right?
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:47 pm
“Josef, the third debate is scheduled to focus on foreign policy.”
Not very good for “the President”…. The President’s record on foreign policy is WEAK.
“but…but…but…Obama Low-Crawled in with a Kaybar knife in his teeth and killed Osama all by himself…”
Doggone/GA
October 15th, 2012
5:49 pm
” but evidently they were too embarrassed by the hypocrisy of it all -”
It’s something of a joke answer…but not entirely, I don’t think. I truly do think that too many of them literally CANNOT SEE the hypocrisy.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:49 pm
Weak?
Ask aq and obl how weakhe is.
daffy and some terrorists in Libya, Yemen and Pakistan too.
mitt went crazy after the 3 am call in Libya and lost it.
mitt is not a leader.
deegee
October 15th, 2012
5:50 pm
After the good news of the unemployment rate dropping to 7.8%, the talking heads at CNBC screamed about people dropping out of the work force. They want you to think that they dropped out because they gave up looking for work. I think that some of the drop in the work force might be due to a number of baby boomers that had been laid off and looking for work because their retirement accounts were so decimated after the crash in 2008. My 401K is up 12% for the year and I still have about 30% in cash and bonds. So, yes there may be a number of retirement aged folks that have dropped out because they now have a retirement account again.
jconservative
October 15th, 2012
5:51 pm
As Biden keeps repeating:
“Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive!”
Like it or not, and I do not, that is one of the best “bumper sticker” comments in decades. The truth is the truth.
What is the latest from Ohio?
getalife
October 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
Ouir President will win Ohio and most swing States if not all of them.
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
SMIRKIN JOE
Depends on how close it is…if it gets down to hanging chads…
Jay
October 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
Stevie Ray, the weekly jobless numbers I believe will be updated Thursday, and by then we’ll have a better idea on the California issue and on whether those lower jobless figures in general are a trend or a blip.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:53 pm
GETALIFE
The NYT’s Editorial Editor Rosenthal stated that nothing in Dowds article suggested anything anti-semetic…I don’t read her column
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
5:53 pm
“In percentage terms, how much did total federal spending increase between fiscal 2008 and fiscal 2012, after taking inflation into account? I’m not asking for the actual figure — I’m trying to get a feel for how much people THINK that spending has increased under Obama.”
To me, such a question is a bit of a red herring. The central fact is that we have been operating a a serious deficit the past four years and, as a result, our debt is now over 16 trillion. I am not at all convinced that Obama understands what it means to operate in the red year after year. A business man surely does. Ironically, even Gore seems to have understood that back in 2000 when he ran for president (judging from his campaign promises).
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:54 pm
Well, you have to give Hillary Clinton kudos… unfortunately she and Obama fall into that same category of not being able to LEAD!
Hillary Clinton Ad – 3 AM White House Ringing Phone–BENGHAZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg
josef
October 15th, 2012
5:55 pm
USMC
Now that the gay issue is out of the picture as far as my vote, foreign policy is top on my list of factors in deciding…aside from his weak-kneed stand on human rights abroad, I’ve had no real objections to his foreign policy…
USMC
October 15th, 2012
5:55 pm
“Ouir President will win Ohio and most swing States if not all of them.”–getalife
Swing States poll: Women push Romney into lead…
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/15/swing-states-poll-women-voters-romney-obama/1634791/
Thulsa Doom
October 15th, 2012
5:55 pm
“Sure they do. When they see 3.8 million new private-sector jobs created in the last two years, sure they care”
Just lemme know when we get to 1 million jobs created in a month like we did under Reagan. Or hell for that matter lemme know when we can regularly average 250,000 a month. That number you cited comes out to only 158,000 jobs a month- barely enough to keep pace with the number of new entrants into the workplace. Ya’ll sure do have low expectations of this president.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:56 pm
JAY,
Thanks…I’m getting to the point where i don’t trust anything anybody says about the economy…counting a trillion is one thing but Accounting for trillions is another…both sides interepret ANY data contrary to their position as false.. reminds me of Radioheads song Spinning Plates…
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
5:58 pm
“Swing States poll: Women push Romney into lead…”
Polls are still meaningless this far out. I expect that this election may not be as close as some pundits think.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
5:58 pm
jconservative,
I agree with bumper sticker but he will have a tall order defending the status of everything going on in ME at final debate…its a mess and his policies hurt more than helped..its a disaster..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
5:58 pm
Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.
Deficits?
IOKIYAR
Thomas
October 15th, 2012
5:59 pm
Half Truths Half Lies
The great American taxpayer is a victim of politicians and media who are held to no standards. A broker lies- fines and prison a doctor screws up- massive law suit Journalist lie and tell half truths- crickets chirp because that is what is expected. Here a major person at the AJC cuts and paste to “prove” himself without any thought to demonstrate the good and the bad and use his two brain cells to then convince the reader. If it weren’t so sad it would be funny.
From Forbes
In the latest, much celebrated, unemployment report, the labor force participation rate had plummeted to 63.7%, the most rapid decline in U.S. history. That means that under President Obama nearly 5 million Americans have fled the workforce in hopeless despair
From Bloomberg
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s general economic index missed analysts’ expectations. It was minus 6.2 in October. The median forecast of 46 economists in a Bloombergsurvey called for a gain to minus 4. The figure was minus 10.4 in September, the lowest level since April 2009. The index covers New York, northern New Jersey and southern Connecticut.
“The economic outlook is worrying and that has hit the demand side of the equation,” said Phil Flynn, senior market analyst at the Price Futures Group in Chicago.
From Reuters
Investors are wondering just how high – and for how long -
the Fed may allow inflation to rise to encourage borrowing,
investment and hiring. In theory, more people working means
higher output, which should narrow the gap between what American
workers are currently producing and their potential.
“The Fed’s body language clearly says they think the output
gap is huge and that they’re willing to take risks on
inflation,” said Bluford Putnam, chief economist at futures
exchange operator CME Group
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
6:00 pm
SMIRKIN JOE
Agreed bout closeness of race..if obama supporters don’t come out as in 2008, it will not be close and we will have a new president to poke fun at…
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
6:00 pm
“Depends on how close it is…if it gets down to hanging chads…”
If Romney wins and there are “race riots”, it will I think REALLY hurt the Democratic party for a long time.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
6:01 pm
“Now that the gay issue is out of the picture as far as my vote, foreign policy is top on my list of factors in deciding…aside from his weak-kneed stand on human rights abroad, I’ve had no real objections to his foreign policy…”–josef
Josef, there is NO way you vote for Mitt Romney…. and that’s okay, but I can’t believe you are insinuating that you are UNDECIDED… or did I misread??
What about Obama’s DISMAL record with RUSSIA… You remember the RESET button… Don’t you?
U.S. to End Pro-Democracy Broadcasts in Russia
http://freebeacon.com/u-s-to-end-pro-democracy-broadcasts-in-russia/
Also..
Russia Won’t Renew Pact on Weapons With U.S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/world/europe/russia-wont-renew-pact-with-us-on-weapons.html?_r=0
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
6:02 pm
Sorry, meat, I don’t click on malware infected links.
You’ll have to summarize the White Power position for me!
You can cut and run from your legacy all you want – the facts remain, the Bush/Cheney years were the worst in my lifetime. Worse than Nixon by far.
A disgraceful, embarrassing, consummate failure of an administration.
But the real blame lies with those of you who voted for the PNAC stooges and that repulsive faux conservatism that they championed.
And why an otherwise middling president Obama coasts to victory twice…
So, better luck in 2016.
Or maybe 2020.
Or maybe 2024…
Or maybe…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
6:02 pm
THOMAS
Wham POW!!
Who knows what is really true except we spend too much and have way too many folks in poverty and unemployed or underemployed than we should…not sure about prospects but we will see if unemployment numbers stick…U6 remains at 14.7%
josef
October 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
STEVIE
“…his policies hurt more than helped…”
Elaborate, please, and I’m not being snarky (or snide!
)
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
JAMVET
Which link was infected?
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
“Agreed bout closeness of race..if Obama supporters don’t come out as in 2008, it will not be close and we will have a new president to poke fun at…”
I think so. Pollsters have been oversampling Democrats in many of their polls on the assumption that the Democratic turnout will be even greater than in 2008.
Jay
October 15th, 2012
6:05 pm
“Just lemme know when we get to 1 million jobs created in a month like we did under Reagan.”
Thulsa, contrary to your implication, that “a million jobs a month” happened just once, in September 1983, and it was a total freak occurrence. The prior month we had lost 308,000 jobs; the subsequent month we gained 271,000.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
6:06 pm
Pollsters have been oversampling…
Skewers.
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
6:07 pm
SR, just making fun of meat’s link to that conspiracy nutjob at infowars.
The moron who accused the US government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing and September 11 attacks.
Granny Godzilla
October 15th, 2012
6:08 pm
Koch bros threaten 45,000 employees of consequences of President Obama re-election.
Proof positive that even the wealthiest of homosapiens can be trailer trash.
I support their free speech, but will argue against their ideology until I die.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
6:09 pm
Thulsa
Why do you hark back to Reagan all the time in regards to jobs? More jobs were created under the Clinton Administration.
I’m of the belief that the President gets too much credit and too much blame for the job numbers, but if you want to play the job number game, Reagan isn’t the top guy………
just saying
josef
October 15th, 2012
6:10 pm
USMC
Of course I’d never vote for the Party of Diocletian of the Potomac. As for undecided, well, yes, I am. There’s always something besides the Dem/GOP to vote for so I at least show up as not FOR either one. I’m still not sure I could in clear conscience vote FOR Obama.
As for him and Russia…I know a lot of folks would disagree with me, but Russia is increasingly an insignificant factor, Syria notwithstanding…
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
6:10 pm
“Or hell for that matter lemme know when we can regularly average 250,000 a month. That number you cited comes out to only 158,000 jobs a month- barely enough to keep pace with the number of new entrants into the workplace. Ya’ll sure do have low expectations of this president.”
Romney is right about the very great need for MUCH job creation. Without it, we are sunk. I’m sorry…I just get the distinct impression that Obama views dealing with our dire economic situation in the same way he viewed the first debate – as a kind of “drag”.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
6:10 pm
Josef,
Hows it hanging…
Syria is a mess, Egypt is a mess, Iran is a mess, Taliban will be back in power in Afghanistan soon, Al Queda growth is significant, Israeli relations a problem, Turkey is now shooting weapons into Syria, and Libya is soon to be controlled by al queda…it appears BO and his appointees bungled ambassador situation and prematurely postulated on reason of attack…oh and our guys are getting shot by those who we trained in Iraq.
Otherwise, things are fine:-)
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
6:12 pm
JAMVET,
Thats a good thing..one of my computers crashed as my kid allowed nasty stuff into our world…I don’t completely trust malware..
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
6:12 pm
Thulsa
Numbers are from BLS eventhough it is a wiki link. Using your logic of jobs created under any given president, Reagan is the outlier and you should be a Democrat……..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms
Now do your famous switch to who controlled Congress that you have done numerous times when these figures have been posted
Granny Godzilla
October 15th, 2012
6:12 pm
American spring
7 years
And we are exceptional
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
6:13 pm
Stevie @ 6:10
Are you saying that those countries would be in great shape had McCain won or will be on in better shape if Romney wins?
Midori
October 15th, 2012
6:14 pm
too funny!!
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/romney-is-attacked-by-his-fathers-longtime-aide/
Romney Is Attacked by His Father’s Longtime Aide
By MICHAEL BARBARO
A longtime aide to George W. Romney issued a harshly worded critique of Mitt Romney, accusing him of shifting political positions in “erratic and startling ways” and failing to live up to the distinguished record of his father, the former governor of Michigan.
Walter De Vries, who worked for the senior Mr. Romney throughout the 1960s, wrote that Mitt Romney’s bid for the White House was “a far cry from the kind of campaign and conduct, as a public servant, I saw during the seven years I worked in George Romney’s campaigns and served him as governor.”
“While it seems that Mitt would say and do anything to close a deal – or an election,” he wrote, “George Romney’s strength as a politician and public officeholder was his ability and determination to develop and hold consistent policy positions over his life.”
Mr. De Vries’s stinging assessment was contained in a nearly 700-word essay that he distributed to a small group of journalists with whom he has spoken over the past year. He said it was an outline for a book that may or may not be published. A spokeswoman for the Romney campaign declined to comment.
A registered independent, who said he voted for Barack Obama in 2008, Mr. De Vries has previously expressed reservations about Mr. Romney’s political postures in interviews, but never with such sweep.
Tom Middleton
October 15th, 2012
6:18 pm
And since we’ve finally recovered all the jobs Bush lost us with his failed supply-side economics, plus added more to boot, we should put Romney in to double-down on what Bush did and then keep our fingers crossed? To put it as nicely as I can: HELL NO!
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
6:21 pm
SR, my condolences. And I understand your concern.
The world wide web is like the wild, wild west.
And there ain’t no sheriff around!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 15th, 2012
6:26 pm
Pollsters have been oversampling…
Well, they better not do it on Nov. 6, is all I got to say.
Billybob
October 15th, 2012
6:26 pm
‘better than expected jobs report(114k jobs)’
jay,
two years ago was the summer of recovery and biden said we would have 500k jobs being created every month and this is your definition of good news……you really are a hack to spout this nonsense…..laughable and another eason why your ilk is in for a tough nov……i love it
‘economic data on the upside’…..again, really….500k jobs to 114k and going down over the last few months and that is how you classify the numbers……keep trying to convince yourself of that jay, b/c most people are tuning that nonsense out…..keep talking bookman, b/t you and obama’s own words, romney doesn’t have to even speak to win this debacle in the white house….fun stuff
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
6:28 pm
“Well, they better not do it on Nov. 6, is all I got to say.”
Do you promise?
Billybob
October 15th, 2012
6:31 pm
we are back to even now libs?…really…..how about the fact that the universe of actual jobs right now is at least a couple million less that when obama took office and we also need to forget about all the people that no olonger get counted too…..just push those under the rug so nobody can see or remember those and then you get to your even number…..again manipulation is what the left does and all it has left at this point…..enjoy reaping what the radical leftist ideology has sown……republican independents and reagan republicans are multiplying as i write this…..that is all
paulo977
October 15th, 2012
6:33 pm
Mary E …”Citizens should consider what Obama inherited and what he has accomplished, without any Republican support, to turn our economy around before they cast their votes in November”_______________________________________________
“Citizens” are too easily swayed by blatant lying politicians and very quickly forget what has been done to help them without support from lying politicians BTW “citizens” ought to try and really figure out what Krugman has to offer in the way of analyzing for them the essence of Obama’s accomplishments . After all, he does have a Nobel Prize in Economics… !!!!!!
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
6:33 pm
Bob sounds p*ssed off that the employment numbers aren’t worse.
Your guys allowed the economy, and millions of people along with it, to be damn near destroyed.
This sucker could go down. ~George W. Bush, September 2008
I’m surprised it has come back this much…
josef
October 15th, 2012
6:35 pm
STEVIE
“Syria is a mess”
And the best we can do is to stay the hell out of it as much as possible…what could Obama do? Other than be prepared for perhaps millions of refugees. He has drawn his red line if the Assad regime uses WMDs on its own people…
“Egypt is a mess”
It’s a mess of their own making and, again, non-intervention seems the most pragmatic. What should /could he have done?
“Iran is a mess”
And has been for some time. He let Netanyahu literally draw the red line. Meanwhile, he’s stepped up the sanctions which, it appears, are having an effect on the domestic front inside Iran…
“Taliban will be back in power in Afghanistan soon, Al Queda growth is significant”
My jury is out with Obama on Afghanistan…
” Israeli relations a problem,”
Barack and Bibi are as thick as thieves on this one…same page, same line…
“Turkey is now shooting weapons into Syria”
The Obama foreign policy, more or less it seems, was to pass the ball to Turkey and follow their lead…what else could/should he have done?
“..and Libya is soon to be controlled by al queda…”
The President of Libya as a pro American moderate. The new Prime Minister now forming the government is a pro-French secular liberal. The Libyans turned out in the tens of thousands to make the point that they were grateful to the West for what it had done for them and that this was NOT the direction they were willing to let their revolution go. The fundamentalists have been unsuccessful at the polls and the Libyan people outspoken in their rejection of the theocrats “telling us how to be ‘good Muslims.’
“..it appears BO and his appointees bungled ambassador situation and prematurely postulated on reason of attack…”
I;m not so sure of that…but that is a bungle of the state department CAREER diplomats, not the administration’s policies…this one has been politicized for our own domestic campaigning…
“…oh and our guys are getting shot by those who we trained in Iraq.”
And what has Obama’s foreign policy got to do with that? He pulled out as per the plan already in place. What should/could he have done differently?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
6:37 pm
THEBOTHSUCK
I don’t have a clue what McClain would have accomplished or Romney…no body of work…it is what it is on the surface, by no means can BO argue that his policies in the ME are anything but a disaster…except of course to deflect blame…heck, we left 10,000 rounds, 14 air to surface missles and 17 RPG’s in libya some of which were recently stolen by Egyptians…if we think fast and furious is a problem…
Jay
October 15th, 2012
6:39 pm
how about the fact that the universe of actual jobs right now is at least a couple million less that when obama took office
We have 500,000 plus more private sector jobs today than when Obama took office.
Marty Huggins'
October 15th, 2012
6:39 pm
Paul
October 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
Just got in and saw your question.
It’s the mentality of you’re too drunk to drive I will I’ve only had 7 drinks not 12 like you.
I giggle daily at both.
Odd to me though that you would only pose that to the conservatives as only to those calling out Obama.
Have you missed the posters here who blast Romney for changing positions or saying something to get elected, but fail to mention anything in regards to Obama doin the same?
Could your absence of a question to the liberal side be indicative that you are also falling into the drunk driver catagory?
TM
October 15th, 2012
6:39 pm
If you believe these report you must also believe Libya was about a movie.
Jack
October 15th, 2012
6:41 pm
By any liberal’s judgement, the economy will really boom for the next week or so. It wasn’t booming when the liberals felt Obama had a comfortable lead. I suppose the logic is that since Obama and Biden bombed so miserably in their debates, liberals had to find comfort in capiltalism.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
6:44 pm
“As for him and Russia…I know a lot of folks would disagree with me, but Russia is increasingly an insignificant factor, Syria notwithstanding…”–josef
Unfortunately, the quite the opposite is true. Russia, Vladimir Putin to be more specific, has their hands in EVERYTHING.
Just read the articles that I linked above for you. Russia/Putin is trying to flex their muscles in a big way and it isn’t very good for “World Peace”.
Who do you think built the Nuclear reactors in Iran??? The Russians. The Russians are the Masters at causing conflict between Third Party Countries and the U.S.
paulo977
October 15th, 2012
6:45 pm
josef
October 15th, 2012
6:35 pm
_____________________________________
Oh well, very well answered !!!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
6:45 pm
Josef,
If you were BO, how difficult would it be to dispute these optics? Your comment about Israel is suspect, Libya beddhi&ing whoever you want to point to is his adminstration, he was supposed to meet and develop relations with Iran per 2008 promise, he supported anti-semetic-muslim brotherhood in Syria and Egypt…..who know whats happening in pakistan..Russia another story..they think BO is a joke.
Interesting link..http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57523314/taliban-and-al-qaeda-working-together-in-afghanistan/
USMC
October 15th, 2012
6:48 pm
Russia thinks Obama is a JOKE!
Obama Handshake Snub in Russia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEposwhovk
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
6:49 pm
JAY,
How does the 500k net new jobs compare to the 125k suggested in attached?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/data-job-growth-obama_n_1919533.html
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
6:50 pm
USMC is out and out cheering on the Russians now?
Wow.
How far can the neocons sink…
getalife
October 15th, 2012
6:51 pm
mitt is a rookie and a failure.
He failed the foreign test after the attack on Libya.
End of story.
pogo
October 15th, 2012
6:51 pm
It appears that some on the Left are now willing to “riot” if Obama loses. In saying such a thing they are basically stating that they are willing to throw democracy to the wayside in their persuit of whatever it is they want. It’s kind of like Greece isn’t it? Most blacks want Obama to win and they will vote for him no matter what. Even when faced with evidence to the contrary they are still willing to support one of the most destructive and divisive leaders this country has ever known because he is black, not because he has done anything in particular to help them as a group (other than giving them free taxpayer funded entitlement programs). The entitlement crowd (which consists of both large numbers of white and black people) want their free money to continue to come in no matter the damage it does to our country and they are ready to riot also. Yep. It is a fine state we find ourselves in now and liberal politics is the reason for it. Jay, do you support anarchy if Obama loses? Are you willing to “take it to the streets” as it where and submit to full Marxism?
USMC
October 15th, 2012
6:51 pm
“Encouraging economic data, from sources public and private”–Jay
Michelle Obama: ‘We Are in the Midst of a Huge Recovery’
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michelle-obama-we-are-midst-huge-recovery
Yeah, just ask Michelle, she knows…
TM
October 15th, 2012
6:52 pm
Obama lied people died
Midori
October 15th, 2012
6:52 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/15/charity-president-unhappy-about-paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-op/
getalife
October 15th, 2012
6:52 pm
She told the truth.
You lose usmc.
josef
October 15th, 2012
6:53 pm
STEVIE
I understand what you’re saying about “on the surface.” Here’s my take on the Obama non-interventionist policy in the ME, for what it’s worth. By stepping back and staying out of their internal squabbles while they held free, yes, free, elections, we now have a much clearer view of what their people think about where they want to go. Now we have a clearer picture of where to put our support, who, how many and how strong are those who share our values. There’s a great deal of hope in Libya, Tunisia can still be “courted.” Egypt may well be a lost cause. Turkey and Israel are in our corner. Afghanistan is Afghanistan. Iraq? Kurdistan has been a success story. Iran? It looks like it’s about to lose its surrogate in Syria. it has its own internal pot boiling….not the best of times to go nuclear on THEM…
All in all, considering the Byzantine nature of that whole regional mess, his policies have been pretty sensible…
Jay
October 15th, 2012
6:56 pm
USMC, that is a total load of Bolshoi.
Those people aren’t shaking Obama’s hand because they’re HIS OWN STAFF, whom he is introducing to Medvedev in that video. Medvedev is shaking their hands because he is meeting THEM.
Seriously, the eagerness of the right to invent utter nonsense, and of you guys to believe utter nonsense, is extraordinary. How many times do you have to be played for fools?
USMC
October 15th, 2012
6:57 pm
She told the truth. You lose usmc.”–Getalife
No Getalife, We ALL lose.
Just ask the MILLIONS of Americans who can’t find a job and simply quit looking…
Those numbers are in the DOUBLE DIGITS.. Make 7.8%look great!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 15th, 2012
6:57 pm
josef,
If I had my way we’d get all of our folks out of the entire region…we got no payback on either Iraq or Afghan investments except more debt, body bags and worse rap…
But the optics are gonna be very easy for…well even Romney to master…
Check you later
moonbat betty
October 15th, 2012
6:58 pm
McCarthy alert @ 6:50!!
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
6:58 pm
“Have you missed the posters here who blast Romney for changing positions or saying something to get elected, but fail to mention anything in regards to Obama doin the same?”
Yes, he has.
“Could your absence of a question to the liberal side be indicative that you are also falling into the drunk driver catagory?”
No. Liberals are allowed to have a double standard. How else would they make any sense?
Dharma Bum
October 15th, 2012
6:58 pm
So much hatred and vitriol coming from the left and the right… am I the only one who sees this?
Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are both decent men… make your choice, shut up, and go cast your vote on Nov. 6th. There aren’t any undecided voters to convince and no one on this board is going to be swayed from their positions… that has been made abundantly clear.
Obama came in with a less-than-stellar economy and has turned it around far slower than people predicted. That doesn’t necessarily make him Satan incarnate.
Mitt Romney is not some evil rich guy that wants to give you cancer and provide tax breaks to himself. The man took no salary as the governor of Mass. or as the President of the 2002 Winter Olympics.
Both of these men demonstrate integrity on a daily basis and personal attacks or questions of their caring/patriotism/etc. are simply facile arguments that betray an underlying lack of substance on the part of the attacker.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
6:59 pm
USMC
Have to hand to you. The one about the handshake is even better than your article about the “real reasons” Hillary didn’t go to the convention……..
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:00 pm
“Michelle Obama: ‘We Are in the Midst of a Huge Recovery’”
Yes. We only need 8-12 more years of Democratic “leadership” to get back to where we were in 2007. Then we can address the deficit (which might be as great as 30T by then).
josef
October 15th, 2012
7:00 pm
USMC
The point is that Russia’s clientele is dwindling…that’s why I said INCREASINGLY insignificant…
STEVIE
How did he “support” the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria and Egypt?
And as for Israel…his foreign policy vis a vis Israel is the same one that’s been in place since 1947.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
7:01 pm
Stevie
When you state, what “we left” in Libya, did you want Obama to put boots on the ground?
USMC
October 15th, 2012
7:01 pm
The Truth About Obama’s Handshake with Hugo Chavez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh96i-yS6lE
You guys will like this one; it favors Obama and shows your friend George W. Bush. It’s pretty funny!
Jay
October 15th, 2012
7:04 pm
That’s it, USMC? Just continue blithely spreading BS?
You’re like a fish in some fish pond, taking the same bait over and over again and never learning. Don’t your lips hurt from all those hooks?
The GOV
October 15th, 2012
7:04 pm
“I didn’t get a haruumph out of that guy!”
josef
October 15th, 2012
7:04 pm
IMAM
“USMC, that is a total load of Bolshoi.”
Okay, Maureen, that’s GOOD and SNIDE …tip of the shapka!
The GOV
October 15th, 2012
7:06 pm
Usually it’s hard to catch a fish you just caught.
Jay
October 15th, 2012
7:06 pm
Yeah, given the Russian context, I thought it appropriate ….
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:07 pm
“Seriously, the eagerness of the right to invent utter nonsense, and of you guys to believe utter nonsense, is extraordinary. How many times do you have to be played for fools?”
Funny…I was thinking the same thing of the left – you know, like Romney killing a woman, abusing his dog, paying no income taxes (YOUR Senate majority leader), scavenging companies purely for profit while at Bain Capital, lying in his debates and speeches and note merely “fudging” a little (YOUR favorite Harvard economist, Klugman) and so on.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:09 pm
The cons prove Biden right.
They are full of it.
“Israeli parliament dissolves for early election” AP
We could use that choice.
Jay
October 15th, 2012
7:09 pm
“Usually it’s hard to catch a fish you just caught.”
yeah, but that’s because usually, the fish isnt’ TRYING to get caught.
Here’s USMC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3Bf0WhvsNk
YouLibs
October 15th, 2012
7:12 pm
Dharma Bum
I have some friends who live in the country. They have five dogs, Aussies and Border Collies, and their next-door neighbors have Daschunds and Chihuahuas. Every morning those dogs get together at the fence line and run up and down as fast as they can, barking at the top of their lungs, over and over and over.
I guess you would deny them that pleasure, too.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:13 pm
“By stepping back and staying out of their internal squabbles while they held free, yes, free, elections, we now have a much clearer view of what their people think about where they want to go.”
I am afraid that was NOT consistently the Obama administration’s modus operandi. Indeed, it now appears that the Syrian rebels are intensely resentful of the lack of support from western nations (who might have expected more after Gaddafi was targeted). And Libya, where we intervened, is a mess (if the attack on the consulate is any indication)
moonbat betty
October 15th, 2012
7:14 pm
Y’all need to go noodlin. That’s real fishin.
The GOV
October 15th, 2012
7:14 pm
That’s pretty good Jay! (Laughing)
I still did not get a “haruumph” out of that guy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
7:14 pm
RUSH: Well, depends on what the final week polls are. If the final week poll has Obama winning by ten in Ohio and Romney wins it, you got riots. If the polls tighten and they get real close, then I don’t — it was a legitimate question somebody asked because these people, if they’re told, these rabid leftists, if they are told this a slam dunk and it’s over, and Romney wins this thing, it could get bloody out there.
Repeated violence porn.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
7:16 pm
“yeah, but that’s because usually, the fish isnt’ TRYING to get caught.
Here’s USMC:”–JAY
That was friggin hilarious Jay, regardless of your politics, that was funny!
Pasha “Bookman” Strelnikov Fighting for SOCIAL JUSTICE…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXKHTTzayU
Dharma Bum
October 15th, 2012
7:17 pm
YouLibs,
Dogs squabbling is endearing and cute… when humans do it, not so much
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:19 pm
“The cons prove Biden right.”
Biden proves liberals wrong. Here is a former lawyer who doesn’t seem to know that guffawing, rolling your eyes and constantly interrupting you opponent (82 times in all) does NOT logically win arguments. That’s works on a school playground (with pre-logically minded children), but no where else. It especially doesn’t work when you are trying, by that behavior, to create the impression that your opponent is a liar when you yourself are misrepresenting the truth.
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:20 pm
I just want someone to explain how an administration spent a week at a convention proclaiming GM is alive and you know who is dead and then have State department personnel watch on real time the murder of our citizens, then let our UN ambassador go on TV a week after the attack and blame it on a movie and have our Justice department detain and interview the movie producer,I guess he was more focus on the campaign function in Vegas. Yes I will agree for now it was not a “fund raiser”. Maybe some smart reporter could get one of those awards by showing why this administration could not come out and saw we were attacked on foreign soil by the enemy.
josef
October 15th, 2012
7:21 pm
getalife
“Israeli parliament dissolves for early election” AP
Hmmmm…what WILL happen if Bibi and Barack BOTH get a vote of no-confidence at the ballot box. We’ve got a pretty clear picture of what will happen if they DO. What if it’s Mitt dealing with Tzipi Livni?
Things could get interesting…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
7:22 pm
That’s works on a school playground (with pre-logically minded children), but no where else.
It’s got your underoos in a bunch.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
7:22 pm
Report: White House considering retaliatory Libya strike
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/report-white-house-considering-retaliatory-libya-strike-138511.html
I guess Obama has the JOY STICK at the ready with hot pockets and popcorn.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:23 pm
“Well, depends on what the final week polls are. If the final week poll has Obama winning by ten in Ohio and Romney wins it, you got riots. If the polls tighten and they get real close, then I don’t — it was a legitimate question somebody asked because these people, if they’re told, these rabid leftists, if they are told this a slam dunk and it’s over, and Romney wins this thing, it could get bloody out there.”
They will be particularly mad if Romney is “acquitted” (through being elected by a jury of his peers) of the “charges” against him – close polls or no.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:23 pm
Smirkin,
When a pol goes in front of the world and tells them the gop are full of crap and laughs in the face when they lie, it don’t get no better than that.
YouLibs
October 15th, 2012
7:24 pm
If one rejects any aspect of reality one cannot know the Dharma.
Before the Bush/Gore election, I asked my mentor (who was born in Tibet) if Americans were too obsessed about elections.
His response was that a question like that could only come from someone who had always been able to vote.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:25 pm
usmc,
There will be drone justice in Libya.
You call that weak.
You are full of crap.
The GOV
October 15th, 2012
7:26 pm
A Marine using emoticons! Say it ain’t so…
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:27 pm
“I guess Obama has the JOY STICK at the ready with hot pockets and popcorn.” Good for him its better than eating popcorn and blaming a movie.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:27 pm
“It’s got your underoos in a bunch”
I am afraid I don’t know what that mindlessly cliched expression really means. Only that it is somewhat scatological and therefore probably humorous to you
josef
October 15th, 2012
7:28 pm
USMC
Okay, so we’re getting ready to drone ‘em…pretty quick work in identifying them…must be some pretty good intelligence on the ground in Libya…reckon it might be the friends the Obama policy made?
TaxPayer
October 15th, 2012
7:29 pm
I guess some businesses didn’t get the Koch-crook letter about how Obama is bad for the economy.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:30 pm
“reckon it might be the friends the Obama policy made?”
Yes.
mitt’s policy is to go crazy and play politics.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
7:31 pm
Billy… Take Me to The River…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WC6EbRQmJ0
Wilbur
October 15th, 2012
7:32 pm
The jobs data is best described as “stranger than expected”. Hardly better.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:32 pm
“When a pol goes in front of the world and tells them the gop are full of crap and laughs in the face when they lie, it don’t get no better than that.”
Wrong. I find a poster whose mastery of his native language indicts his very claims to be much more amusing and pathetic – especially when he is the one defending classless behavior by a sitting VP. You make my argument simply by being.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
7:32 pm
“mitt’s policy is to go crazy and play politics.”–Getalife
You get a HALL PASS today since your Tigers beat the Gamecocks!
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:35 pm
smirkin,
Joe crushed him. You bought the media bs.
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:36 pm
“reckon it might be the friends the Obama policy made?” yes I think those are the ones who allowed and killed our people. So much for friends
USMC
October 15th, 2012
7:37 pm
“Okay, so we’re getting ready to drone ‘em…pretty quick work in identifying them…must be some pretty good intelligence on the ground in Libya…reckon it might be the friends the Obama policy made?”–Josef
Who knows, but what we DO know is that the Obama White House either:
1) LIED to the American people…
OR
2) Are INCOMPETENT
OR
3) All of the Above
They blamed a freakin YOUTUBE video…
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:37 pm
“The jobs data is best described as “stranger than expected”. Hardly better.”
Depends on how you “spin” it. Sometimes a statistical “aberration” (as the 7.8 figure was said to be by some) means we should feel good about our progress and re-elect Obama!
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
7:38 pm
Riots…… Will there be riots after Romney beats Bozo? Perhaps the same kind that happened in CA when Rodney King was beaten. Perhaps Watts will erupt as it did in the 70s. Think there will be riots if Bozo wins? Think that all of those Tea Party brown shirts will take to the streets? Nope. The only segment that promotes violence as part of their platform are liberals. If they don’t get their way then they think that it is perfectly alright to demonstrate in a violent manner to make their point. Let a Tea Party contingent do that and the media world implodes. The double standard is alive and well.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
7:39 pm
I am afraid I don’t know what that mindlessly cliched expression really means.
If only there was a device — one that someone could type a query in some search field — that was connect to other devices that would offer a series of explanations….
A shame that such a device has not been invented.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:39 pm
General Clark did a good job of getting the facts on Libya.
1. gop cut their funding over 300 million.
2. mitt went beserk and played politics.
3. gop outed the CIA building.
You will see these facts in the next debate.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:41 pm
“Joe crushed him. You bought the media bs.”
Actually, many in the “media” thought it was a draw. And, as the SNL skit joked, the debate was inconsequential anyway (except for, perhaps, the bad taste Biden’s childishness left in people’s mouth). I am surprised you can even post.
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:41 pm
71 all you have to do is look at the different responses to Chick fillet to prove your point
USMC
October 15th, 2012
7:42 pm
“Joe crushed him. You bought the media bs.”–Getalife
Hooked!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqhp7LBLmcE
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:44 pm
Get a life- you forgot to add- Obama blamed it all on a movie. So how is it the GOP’s fault
josef
October 15th, 2012
7:44 pm
moonbat
I”VE noodled…not a good idea in an environment infested with snapping turtles and moccasins… say, one like the blog…
TM
Are you really that out of touch with what’s going in in Libya? I swear, the anti-Obama lot is so blinded by their partisanship that they’d gladly sacrifice out best chance yet of making a difference for the best to further their own agenda…it’s hard to tell who wants Libya to fail most, Al Qaaeda or the GOP radical rightists…as I said earlier, politics do, indeed, make for strange bedfellows…
TaxPayer
October 15th, 2012
7:44 pm
Will there be riots after Romney beats Bozo?
Only Mitt would attack kayaker’s clown.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:44 pm
smirkin,
You are not smarter than any other blogger.
Don’t even try to pretend you are.
Got it?
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:47 pm
Josef- it seems you still believe that Libya was a result of a movie because that is what we we told
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
7:49 pm
TM, 7:41,
The CEO of Chick Filet expressed his opinion on a social issue. He was then inundated with protests from liberals. How dare he express an opinion, say liberals. He must be some kind of right wing kook to be able to do that in a free country. How dare he say that he believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman. That’s just plain heresy. Why, he must be some kind of homophobe, some kind of right wing monster. Hell, he has no right to an opinion, especially if it differs from liberal spin. Only liberals have a right to an opinion.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:49 pm
“If only there was a device — one that someone could type a query in some search field — that was connect to other devices that would offer a series of explanations….A shame that such a device has not been invented.”
If only there were intelligent liberal poster who understood that a vernacular expression that cannot be accurately sourced and properly defined is essentially a mindless cliche. It’s a shame that no such liberal poster exists:
http://www.theblog.ca/panties-knot
Don't Tread
October 15th, 2012
7:49 pm
So on a scale of 1 to 10, we’re a good solid 6.
I suppose if we let 0bama spend another 16T and take some freedoms away we can make it to 7. Quick, throw a party!
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:50 pm
tm,
The CIA never tells the truth.
New to politics?
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:52 pm
71 I agree with you 100% I just thought it was agood example
TaxPayer
October 15th, 2012
7:53 pm
Cons still think we invaded Iraq for wmds and terrorists and that the war didn’t cost anything until Obama took office.
josef
October 15th, 2012
7:53 pm
TM
What makes it seem that? I never believed that the consulate attack was any such thing. Not from the minute I first heard about it. I can see why some would, given that the Islamic world was in a dither over it at the time.
And you say Libya was the result…that was an attack in Benghazi by a group of terrorists IN Libya, well planned and well thought out and highly successful…LIBYANS made it clear very quickly and very poignantly that this was not THEIR country and THEIR revolution and THEIR people…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
7:54 pm
Actually, many in the “media” thought it was a draw.
Actually, when even powerline calls it for Biden “draw” doesn’t even enter into it.
Frankly, I expected much more from Ryan, and he let us down. A disengaged viewer would have seen Joe Biden as the much more forceful, much more knowledgeable candidate. Worse, Biden’s victory gives the Democratic media exactly what they were looking for: an opportunity to declare the beginning of the Obama comeback. This was a needless defeat; I could easily come up with more than 100 individuals who do not hold public office but would have done a better job than Ryan did tonight. It was a big disappointment. Let’s just hope that Biden overplayed his hand and TV viewers thought he was a weirdo. And let’s hope that no one votes based on the VP candidate. Advantage, Democrats.
FURTHER UPDATE: One more thing–for what it is worth, Sarah Palin did a much better job against Joe Biden in 2008 than Paul Ryan did tonight. Bizarre, but true.
And, as the SNL skit joked, the debate was inconsequential anyway (except for, perhaps, the bad taste Biden’s childishness left in people’s mouth).
Classic sour grapes.
TaxPayer
October 15th, 2012
7:54 pm
The Dixie Chicks called and wanted to let the cons know that they’re still mad as hell at you bunch of hypocrites.
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:55 pm
get a life– not new but if you try to throw the CIA under the bus, its generally not a good move. Do you blame them foe not reporting the real time attack video??.
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
7:55 pm
This nation is recovering in fits and spurts from the second worst economic implosion in its 225 year history.
And the very worst of our Bush Republicans desperately pretend that it was no big deal. Just another market correction, if you will.
Though the devastation still surrounds them.
Hopeless.
Gutless.
Clueless.
And why their despicable, sovereignty sell out (Corporations are people, my friend) of a candidate is going to go down in defeat shortly.
And there will be much celebration by this American when he does.
…that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:56 pm
Josef– You calling Obama a liar??
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:57 pm
tm,
Just making stuff up proves Biden right.
You are full of it and got nothing.
Mark in mid-town
October 15th, 2012
7:57 pm
Jay Bookman writes: “We have 500,000 plus more private sector jobs today than when Obama took office.”
———————————————————————————————————————————————
Considering the population of the country has grown by about 10 million or so since Obama took office, nominal private sector job growth of 500,000 is really a relative decrease in private sector jobs of several million. Let’s remember that we’re about 8,000,000 fewer employed than what Obama Administration predicted would be the case at this moment in time when they were pushing their stimulus. That 8 million additional jobs projection incorporated both population growth as well as a recovery of the jobs lost during the recession. As well, median family income has decreased by about $4,000 since Obama took office. It’s been an abysmal record. But to many Obama apologists on the left, the fact that the recovery has been so abysmal is evidence of just how rough Obama had it. When reality it that the abysmal strength of the recovery is evidence of nothing more than how ineffective Obama’s policies have been in facilitating recovery.
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
7:58 pm
“Actually, when even powerline calls it for Biden “draw” doesn’t even enter into it.”
Yep…I suppose using mindless cliches fits in rather well with generalizing from a single instance. The sand is right over there…
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
7:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHAcClxxKM
TM
October 15th, 2012
7:59 pm
get a life= If you got no facts call them a liar. Kinda like the first debate
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
7:59 pm
Jm
How is it going?
getalife
October 15th, 2012
7:59 pm
tm,
Did you watch the hearing when your party outed the CIA building?
Point of order! Shut down this hearing.
The CIA will get them back..
Smirkin' Joe
October 15th, 2012
8:00 pm
Later…I have to go admire my fading Obama poster…
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
8:01 pm
Of course, all of those protestors in WI who occupied the Capital and left enough debris and left over trash to cost the state over 100K for clean up……. hell, that’s OK. They are liberal protestors. Then those Occupy people all over the US and some in Europe, with fornicating in tents in the parks, crapping on police cars and interfering with businesses …… hell, that’s OK. They are liberal protestors. Then that black thug in PA at the poling place that intimidated white voters by hitting a billy club into his hand and making speeches about killing white babies…. hell, that’s OK. They are liberal protestors. But let one conservative voice an opinion about most anything that is not on the liberal agenda and you might have thought that the world came to an end. The liberal media goes crazy, Bookman has another anti conservative thread to run and all of Bookman’s liberal sheep can chew on the red meat once again. Level playing field? Right.
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
8:01 pm
Smirkin’ meat, don’t bother coming back.
You offer nothing but Bush love…
josef
October 15th, 2012
8:02 pm
TM
No, misinformed and too quick to comment…but, remember, he is OUR president and judging from the comments hereabouts, pretty much represents us…
TM
October 15th, 2012
8:03 pm
so
“get a life” the question is easy- when UN Ambasador came out a week after the attacked and blamed the movie was she telling the truth???
TaxPayer
October 15th, 2012
8:04 pm
Ryan’s best lyin’ was no match for Joe’s experience. Joe took the Republipunk down for the count.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
8:04 pm
Typical con bs.
Weak and pitiful.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
8:05 pm
Jam
I could be wrong, but I thought Smirkin was Jm.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
8:06 pm
Jam
Check out that Deep Purple jam I posted
TM
October 15th, 2012
8:06 pm
Josef—and some president in the 70s was misinformed about a certain break in.
TaxPayer
October 15th, 2012
8:06 pm
When Broun said the earth is 9000 years old, did he know he was lying.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
8:06 pm
Hillary Clinton takes the blame for Libya.
Happy cons?
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
8:07 pm
When Mitt “I was completely wrong” Romney came out before the attack and blamed the American personnel overseas for sympathizing with their attackers was he telling the truth, TM?
He should have his ass kicked by the serving family members of those people for saying sh*t like that.
Seriously
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
8:08 pm
Later…I have to go admire my fading Obama poster…
Translation: When life gives you sour grapes, make sour grape-ade.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
8:08 pm
I think Hillary will resign and retire like she said.
TM
October 15th, 2012
8:12 pm
I don’t think Hillary would have made such a statement if she and Bill didn’t know that Obama was going to lose.
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
8:12 pm
Now, Crowley says that she will “cull” questions to each candidate from the audience from some reason. Wonder why?
josef
October 15th, 2012
8:12 pm
TM
Oy! So now Obama was in on some “conspiracy?” Really, Mec, that’s a bit of a stretch even for Sooth…a bumble-fumble, probably, but a conspiracy? I hardly think so.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
8:12 pm
Why kay?
getalife
October 15th, 2012
8:14 pm
We are about to lose the best Secretary of State in history.
She is done.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
8:15 pm
cnn reports that Hillary took the blame for Libya tm.
Try to keep up.
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
8:16 pm
getalife, 8:14,
Perhaps not the best but one of the best. If she were president, you liberals wouldn’t have your panties all in a wad.
Orange12
October 15th, 2012
8:17 pm
“Hillary Clinton takes the blame for Libya.
Happy cons?”
NO, I wanted our Pres. to take the blame. After all it is his admin. Isn’t it
stands for decibels
October 15th, 2012
8:18 pm
“Dowd’s a self-indulgent hack, Josef. ”
I think you are far too kind, Jay.
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
8:18 pm
Orange 12, 8:17,
Bozo does not take the blame for anything,,,,,, haven’t you noticed?
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
8:18 pm
BOTH, b-troll in all of his equally moronic iterations needs to go to Singapore.
Maybe this election will send some of the Uncle Sam haters scurrying to some religious/conservative country more to their liking.
Diggin’ on the Deep Purple.
Some righteous Neil for the would-be earth killers in the right wing…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJOAlmHzHr4
josef
October 15th, 2012
8:19 pm
well, well, here I come agreeing with Kayaker and getalife agreeing with Kayaker and getalife…I’ll go with Kayaker on maybe not the best, but I’d rank her in the top five SOSs…
barking frog
October 15th, 2012
8:20 pm
If Clinton provided wrong intel to the President, CIA
should have picked up the
slack. Director should go.
barking frog
October 15th, 2012
8:22 pm
Clinton fans, what has she
done?
TM
October 15th, 2012
8:22 pm
Just in time for the debate- So Mr President was your Secretary of State incompetent?
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
8:23 pm
joseph, 8:19.
If she and McCain had run against each other, I would have had a hard time deciding whom to vote for. I respect her tenacity and her grit. I don’t agree with all that she stands for but she has the ability to make decisions…. sort of like Harry Truman. Bill was the problem with Hillary. Too much baggage.
josef
October 15th, 2012
8:23 pm
We haven’t had a President take the blame for anything since Harry Truman, at least not while in office…Bill did take the blame for Rwanda–later. George Sr did (somewhat) take the blame for not going on to Baghdad–later.
JamVet
October 15th, 2012
8:25 pm
haven’t you noticed?
Kettle………………………….. pot.
The Bush f ups discussing America’s foreign policy in the Mideast or anywhere is like watching a scene out of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
But these lunatics are deadly, completely incompetent and the “tortured” antithesis of American statesmanship.
I’d like to see Crowley backhand both of those milquetoasts the first time they play b*llsh*t stupid and don’t answer the question asked of them.
And if she got her “hips” into it, she could send either of them across the stage!
barking frog
October 15th, 2012
8:25 pm
Bill Clinton could have
passed healthcare if he
had handled it himself.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
8:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhFf9oHkSDY
josef
October 15th, 2012
8:29 pm
KAYAKER
It took me a long time to warm up to Hillary. Ya gotta remember, I got family in Arkansas! And she pissed me off big time with that snide swipe at Tammy Wynette…well, she stood by her man…! But she won me over when she on any number of occasions acknowledged that she ain’t perfect and that hindsight may be 20/20 but you operate under what you know at the time…
USMC
October 15th, 2012
8:31 pm
Clinton: ‘I take responsibility’ for Benghazi security failure
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/15/us/clinton-benghazi/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Hillary Clinton Ad – 3 AM White House Ringing Phone–BENGHAZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg
josef
October 15th, 2012
8:35 pm
FROG
I’ll agree with you on Clinton and health care…what has she done? Crafted a ‘walk softly and carry a big stick” foreign policy we’ve needed for a long time…
USMC
October 15th, 2012
8:38 pm
“We haven’t had a President take the blame for anything since Harry Truman, at least not while in office…”–josef
Boy, ain’t that the truth!, josef… Sorry, you knew it was coming…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs
barking frog
October 15th, 2012
8:43 pm
josef
what walk softly? we were in
two wars and walked from
one with the worst settlement in history and
left 40,000 troops there.
Afghanistan is deteriorating
daily. Iran is still saber
rattling. Libya. Pakistan is
now our enemy. Obama
didn’t invite her back due
to her successed. What big
stick ? The US is mocked
daily.
F. Sinkwich
October 15th, 2012
8:45 pm
I have a neighbor who’s been out of work for some time, and he’s very discouraged. To cheer him up, this is what I told him:
“The new data Monday came as the Commerce Department revised August’s increase in retail sales to 1.2% from the earlier estimate of 0.9%. That meant the rise in August was the largest monthly gain since October 2010.”
I couldn’t believe the size of the smile that appeared on his face. He actually started doing cartwheels across his front lawn! The joy he showed at this economic news was orgasmic.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
October 15th, 2012
8:47 pm
Whew, Jay, what a hoot!
Bloomberg – wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.
Reuters – pure, unadulterated Democrat shill 24/7
Census Bureau – controlled by supreme leader, numbers will be revised downward within a week or two
Housing – are you kidding me? I know numerous former house builders – none of them have gotten back in this business. Most find employment helping banks deal with their blown-up portfolios (who by the way will not loan for new construction without tremendous, IRR-killing collateral).
GM – what percent of these sales went to government fleets? Guarantee you its huge. I read somewhere the State Dept. is outfitting everybody with Volts (only people that will buy one).
Going to have to work alot harder than this over the next few weeks, Jay.
Different subject – Ryan/Crazy Uncle debate – Proverbs 29:9
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
8:48 pm
My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knew someone who’s been out of work for some time.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
8:50 pm
kay,
I voted for Hillary silly.
She said she will serve one term and retire.
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
8:59 pm
joseph, 8:29,
Rush had a rather insightful commentary on Hillary the other day, certainly not all of it bad. At the time, he urged her to come forth and help shoulder the blame for events in Libya. He was of the opinion that she hooked her star onto Bill by going to Arkansas, of all places, to pursue his political career. Once she was there, and working for a bunch of hicks at the Rose Law Firm, it became painfully obvious to her that she had made a very big mistake, especially with all of Bills extra curricular activities on the side. By then, she had Chelsea which no doubt added to the dilemma of whether to stay or go. But like any other political figure with ambitions, she decided to stick around despite the downside. I kind of wonder if she would have ever achieved the accomplishments in her career alone and without Bill. Guess we’ll never know.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:00 pm
“Clinton: ‘I take responsibility’ for security ahead of Benghazi attack”
Who is going to run against MITTENS re-election in 2016, now???
Josef
October 15th, 2012
9:02 pm
Frog
Obama wanted her back, she said no.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:02 pm
kay,
rush telling you what to think is pathetic and lazy.
You can’t even think for yourself.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:04 pm
Getalife
JAY telling you what to think is pathetic and lazy.
You can’t even think for yourself.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:06 pm
“Obama wanted her back, she said no.”–josef
And can you blame her? Obama is ruining Hillary’s political future.
Hillary Clinton is “toast” now that she took the blame for Obama’s blunder.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:06 pm
usmc,
Jay is just writing the obvious truth.
The truth and facts help me think not some big fat racist bigot drug addict radio entertainer blowhard spewing conspiracies and lies.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
9:07 pm
Who is going to run against MITTENS
re-electionnext in a long series of crash and burns in 2016, now???Elizabeth Warren will be the next candidate to make your head explode.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:07 pm
usmc,
Which part of retired don’t you understand?
kayaker 71
October 15th, 2012
9:07 pm
getalife, 9:02,
No one tells me what to think and how to do it. I can make that decision for myself. Just saying that Rush had a pretty insightful dialogue about our Sec of State, a lot of it was praise for a job well done. He’s not much of a Slick Willy fan but for Hillary, different story. I feel much the same way. Would have probably voted for her if she had won the primary. I voted for her husband in 96 and thought he had a pretty good second term. Any other questions?
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:09 pm
I think w’s intell reform failed like everything else he did.
Probably need to reform it the right way.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:09 pm
Getalife,
Rush is just writing the obvious truth.
The truth and facts help me think not some Leftwing parrot who went to Europe during college and caught the “RED Flu” entertainer blowhard spewing conspiracies and lies.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:10 pm
“Obama is ruining Hillary’s political future.”
So much so that she skipped out on the convention
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:10 pm
kay,
You need rush because you can’t think for yourself.
Radio is for rock and roll not hate kay.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:12 pm
“Elizabeth Warren will be the next candidate to make your head explode.”–Kammy
My Head is ASPLODIN with laughter after that one, Kam. That was funny!
barking frog
October 15th, 2012
9:12 pm
josef
Hilary saying no to second
term as SOS would be like
Bill saying no to UN Sec.
General.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:13 pm
“Which part of retired don’t you understand?”–getalife
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-Dqj4fHmM
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:14 pm
Hillary is sick of politics and I don’t blame her.
Look at all the crap you cons write and you have done nothing to compare to Hillary Clinton.
You cheer lead failures like palin.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:14 pm
getalife
LSU D and running game looked good.
SC needs to lay another egg at FL for GA to have a chance at getting to the ATL for the SEC championship.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:15 pm
“Hilary saying no to second term as SOS would be like
Bill saying no to UN Sec. General.”–barking Frog
-not intended to be a Factual Statement
Josef
October 15th, 2012
9:16 pm
Frog
You deserve a better answer, but I’m on iPad now and more the drive by. We’ll pick this up later.
KAyaker
Say what you will about the Arkansas hicks, but the stories I could tell from what went on there in the Clinton years, but some family laundry is best not aired in public!
Madge From Accounting
October 15th, 2012
9:16 pm
josef: it’s hard to tell who wants Libya to fail most, Al Qaaeda or the GOP radical rightists…
Its a toss up for sure, but I’d go with the GOP.
barking frog
October 15th, 2012
9:17 pm
USMC
like you would recognize
a fact….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
9:17 pm
Rush is just writing the obvious truth.
There’s your sign.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:18 pm
Both,
South Carolina is competitive so Florida and Georgia will have to crank it up like LSU.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:18 pm
“There’s your sign.”–Kamspam!
Madge From Accounting
October 15th, 2012
9:19 pm
You cheer lead failures like palin.
They like Palin — she’s cute and she’s dumb. the perfect conservative woman. All she needs now is a sign that says “My uterus was made for walking”
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:19 pm
rush does not write, he spews in a mic.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:20 pm
“South Carolina is competitive so Florida and Georgia will have to crank it up like LSU.”
I don’t know, getalife, I can see LSU knocking off BAMA if BAMA comes into the game too tight, which they are prone to do.
Josef
October 15th, 2012
9:20 pm
We’ll see about Hillary in ‘16, whoever takes ‘12.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:20 pm
I go with the gop too.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:20 pm
getalife
GA still on the outside looking in. FL beating SC might be there only chance, plus they will need to win out.
Madge From Accounting
October 15th, 2012
9:22 pm
The truth and facts help me think not some Leftwing parrot who went to Europe during college and caught the “RED Flu” entertainer blowhard spewing conspiracies and lies.
I didn’t know that Romney was a lib!! Wow! The things you learn on this blog!
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:22 pm
“They like Palin — she’s cute and she’s dumb. the perfect conservative woman. All she needs now is a sign that says “My uterus was made for walking””–MadDog from Accounting
I think Madge is intimidated by a strong, intelligent woman. And I suspect Madge has hairy legs!
Mick
October 15th, 2012
9:22 pm
Sign, sign everywhere a sign blocking out the scenery and ruining my mind…
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:23 pm
usmc,
If it is a low scoring close game, we can win again.
Mett missed a open touchdown and we missed a field goal in the last game.
They are back to playing LSU football.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:24 pm
“We’ll see about Hillary in ‘16, whoever takes ‘12.”
Hillary WILL NOT be running for President in 2016.
After falling on the sword for Obama’s blunders, Hillary will fade quietly into the fabric of the DemocRat Party’s Power elite.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:25 pm
getalife
Even the good teams in the SEC do not know how good they really are until they beat a top team on the road.
Tough to beat the good teams at home. LSU, GA and SC have all found that out.
AL is certainly good, but haven’t played anyone on the road.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
9:25 pm
–Kamspam!
The next big thing is already here!
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:26 pm
Both,
I am not sure because it is a close call.
All three teams look good.
scott
October 15th, 2012
9:26 pm
The chart speaks for itself. Yeah. that’s some recovery. man you guys are dumb
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:27 pm
“If it is a low scoring close game, we can win again.”–getalife
I know, I was cheering them on Saturday night! That was an Old School SEC Smash-mouth Football Battle Royale!
Now Flawrida needs to beat SC and then my Bulldawgs need to beat Flawrida, and we come back for vengeance against the Tigers in the SEC CG in the ATL!
See how that works???
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:28 pm
scott,
We could be back in a recession if the gop won the austerity argument.
That was dumb.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:29 pm
getalife
I doubt SEC will get two into the championship game this year. They could even play themselves out of it altogether.
Notre Dame wins out (I hope not), they will surely get one of the spots.
Long way too go. Season really just getting under way.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:29 pm
“The next big thing is already here!”
Only in that little, insignificant grey matter between your ears, Kam.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:32 pm
“Notre Dame wins out (I hope not), they will surely get one of the spots.”
Not a chance… they have to play Oklahoma AND USC…. Notre Dame won’t even be in the discussion by the end of the season.
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:32 pm
usmc,
SC quarterback had a bad night but he can beat you.
Florida’s quarterback is better but Alabama has the best quarterback.
USMC
October 15th, 2012
9:33 pm
Madge from Accounting needs a smoke break.
Josef
October 15th, 2012
9:35 pm
USMC
I wouldn’t bet on it. I wouldn’t bet against it either.
Madge From Accounting
October 15th, 2012
9:36 pm
Hillary WILL NOT be running for President in 2016.
Oh little man, how would you know? You know nothing that’s not spoon fed to you daily by your colleague in the little wee wee department and fellow loudmouth blowhard Rush.
Why not stick to things you know…………..lies and bullying. People like you love things like that.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
9:36 pm
Only in that little, insignificant grey matter between your ears, Kam.
Better than that “little insignificant grey matter” between you legs.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:37 pm
USMC
Hope you are correct. The pollsters always seem to love those guys even when they are overrated, which is often.
I think they are pretty good this yr. Didn’t know they played Oklahoma. If there ends up being 3 unbeaten teams or a bunch of one lose teams, I would be surprised if they do not get one of the spots.
td
October 15th, 2012
9:39 pm
I had a refreshing day today. Was on the road most of the day and got to sit back and listen to an entire Rush show for the first time in years and it was so good to hear some sanity.
On the way home I got the chance to listen to Eric Erickson and he talked about who Obama was trying to convince to vote for him with all his craziness lately and after reading this blog for the past few months it all makes sense now.
Eric said Obama was trying to lock down the morons vote and it appears he has succeeded with flying colors.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:39 pm
getalife
I think the SC qb is somewhere in between of what we saw against GA and his bad game at LSU.
Latimore is not a dime a dozen. His ability to tote the rock as he does, helps the QB, especially when passing on 1st and 2nd down.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:40 pm
td
Maybe you and the old gang from KSU can get back together and have a pizza party and listen to Limbaugh reruns.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:41 pm
td
I’m sure you and the tin foil hat gang were the toast of campus……….
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:44 pm
Another con that needs rush to think.
Both,
Death Valley is a tough place to play football. He tried changing the plays at the line but it is too loud.
Messed up his rhythm and game.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:45 pm
getalife
Been to LSU 3 times. GA won twice and was beat down the other time.
Josef
October 15th, 2012
9:46 pm
G’night…
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:47 pm
kennesaw state moron listening to a Macon moron and talking about morons.
td
October 15th, 2012
9:49 pm
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:47 pm
kennesaw state moron listening to a Macon moron and talking about morons.
Those hit dogs sure are the loudest. LMFAO
getalife
October 15th, 2012
9:53 pm
td,
I change cnn when eric’s big head shows up. If I want to listen to people being wrong I just read the cons on this blog.
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:53 pm
td
Believe it or not I have Hanitty on at the moment. He had Dick Morris on, who of course is basically saying Romney in a run away. Mind you he said the same in 08 for McCain
Even Hanitty of all people said he thinks that Romney has momentum but doesn’t believe what Morris is saying.
If Hanitty isn’t buying……. WOW
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
9:59 pm
Believe it or not I have Hanitty on at the moment.
Brother, I wouldn’t ‘a tol’ that.
G Mare
October 15th, 2012
10:01 pm
Kam re “device:” Oooh, snide. I LOVE IT!
td
October 15th, 2012
10:05 pm
They BOTH suck
October 15th, 2012
9:53 pm
I will catch Hanity at midnight. I had to watch DWTS and now some H50. Can not wait to hear Mr Morris.
Appleseed
October 15th, 2012
10:23 pm
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/mitt-romney-debate-cheating-video/
getalife
October 15th, 2012
10:23 pm
td,
That rw media rots your brain.
You have cobwebs in your brain for not using it.
Sad.
G Mare
October 15th, 2012
10:33 pm
td, I have never watched/heard Hannity or DWTS, but H50 is a good one – something that cannot be said of very many shows. I also like Criminal Minds & MI5 & several programs on MSNBC & Downton Abby. All this apropos of nothing; just keeping the conversation going.
And, I hope SOS Clinton will not resign over the Libya mess.
This has been a “steam of consciousness” comment.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
10:35 pm
…but H50 is a good one –
Grace Park is hawt!
getalife
October 15th, 2012
10:39 pm
mitt will lose the last two debates.
October job report lowers unemployment again.
Economic numbers are looking better.
Troops in Libya to get the terrorists.
obl. movie to show patriotism..
All this adds up to the reelection of President Obama.
Four more years.
td
October 15th, 2012
10:46 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
10:35 pm
…but H50 is a good one –
Grace Park is hawt!
Now that is the first time I ever agreed with you 100%
td
October 15th, 2012
10:48 pm
G Mare
October 15th, 2012
10:33 pm
DWTS was originally a compromise with my wife for watching sports but I have come to really enjoy the show. CM is an awesome show. You should check out Person of Interest. Great show.
Jm
October 15th, 2012
11:02 pm
Getalife 10:39 nope
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 15th, 2012
11:43 pm
Here comes Pres Obama again, without his teleprompter! Let’s see how he does this 2nd time, speaking on his own without assistance from his best friend(Telly Prompt).
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 15th, 2012
11:51 pm
Last comment before I hit the hay. You liberals are not stupid, do you really think Hillary did not keep the President and VP apprised of the situation in Libya. No way they did not at least know. By falling on the sword, I guess this means Hillary will never run for public office in the future. Bill, you should be pissed for letting Obama put your wife in that position!
Janney
October 15th, 2012
11:51 pm
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
October 15th, 2012
4:22 pm
MARY ELIZABETH
“Krugman is way too biased to put as much faith are you are putting in him…he is a complete liberal rube…I like reading him but it’s best to balance with other economists…he started a liberal and he works for the most liberal, biased newspaper in the history of newspapers..”
Stevie Ray; Krugman was the most accurate prognosticator in a study by a group at Hamilton College when they looked at what he had written in 2006 and 2007.
Janney
October 15th, 2012
11:54 pm
G Mare -
Good to “see” you! Hope everything is going well. I have not been keeping up with comments, though I ALWAYS read Jay’s blog. I’ve just kind of skimmed through a few and saw you had some health problems. Hope they have been resolved.
G Mare
October 16th, 2012
12:04 am
Yeah, td, I Ilike Person of Interest, NCIS (Mark Harmon is hawt!), Leverage, & Castle is okay, tho it is getting a bit shmaltzy of late. Oh, and The Mentalist – Simon Baker, mmm hmmm!
See y’all in the mornin’.
G Mare
October 16th, 2012
12:08 am
Hi, Janney. Thanks for asking. Health problems are persisting. SUCKS!!! But we are working on resolutions. SIGH!
Janney
October 16th, 2012
12:28 am
G Mare; yes it does suck. Sending positive thoughts your way.
Okay, that does it for me; good night, all!
Oscar
October 16th, 2012
1:08 am
Georgia is not going to beat Florida.
Hillary is not going to run in 2012. She will be retired.
Mitt is still a twitt.
Oscar
October 16th, 2012
1:08 am
G Mare
When is your surgury scheduled?
Oscar
October 16th, 2012
1:14 am
Romney –
We are going to reduce the deficit by increasing defense spending by two trillion.
Cutting waste in medicare is bad.
We will reduce deductions for the middle class.
What a laugh.
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
5:59 am
Mornin’.
“Lee Atwater would be scratching his head over this. He thought they’d have to be much subtler by this time.”
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
6:02 am
oh, what the heck, let’s not be subtle at all.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/15/1015701/tea-party-group-launches-racist-obamaphone-ad/
Late last month, conservative media lit up with a video of an African-American woman excitedly praising President Barack Obama because he supposedly gave racial minorities in Cleveland free telephones. The video received prominent placement on the pro-Romney Drudge Report and spawned a popular #Obamaphone hashtag on Twitter. Although there is indeed a federal program which provides low-income people with free or reduced-cost cell phones, it began in 2008 under President George W. Bush. The idea of providing subsidized phone service to low-income individuals originated with a program started under President Ronald Reagan.
Now, the “Obamaphone” woman is the star of an ad sponsored by the Tea Party Victory Fund suggesting President Obama’s policies have “enslaved Americans“:
It’s difficult to view this ad as anything other that an appeal to the visceral reaction its very enthusiastic star is likely to inspire in a certain kind of voter. The ad will run in three Ohio counties — Lucas, Summit, and Mahoning — all of which are predominantly white.
Calling these Teapers “pond scum” is an insult to scum.
Reality versus hope and change???
October 16th, 2012
6:33 am
President Barack Obama said on Thursday that “we got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system.”
According to the Congressional Budget Office, however, the government will lose about $24 billion on the bailout.
Suport from the Obama base (47%)
October 16th, 2012
6:37 am
Although most of the individuals posting the messages don’t even attempt to justify why they plan to riot, others have pointed to fears about a Romney administration withdrawing or limiting government handouts…
Support from the Obama base (47%)
October 16th, 2012
6:40 am
Although most of the individuals posting the messages don’t even attempt to justify why they plan to riot, others have pointed to fears about a Romney administration withdrawing or limiting government handouts…
Luckovich 10/16 is spot on!!!
October 16th, 2012
6:43 am
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2012/10/15/1016-mike-luckovich-cartoon-debate-coach/?cxntfid=blogs_mike_luckovich
Jm
October 16th, 2012
6:49 am
Hillary has more balls than Obama ever will
Jm
October 16th, 2012
6:54 am
Obama’s first debate was emblematic of his whole presidency
The prez thought he did a great job
The public thought he sucked
His second performance will be interesting, but they’ll have put the real Obama behind shrouds and his handlers will be talking, not him
Jack
October 16th, 2012
7:01 am
Hillary is not worried about being re-elected and secretly hopes Obama will lose: that will serve as some sort of redemption for losing to him in 2008.
USMC
October 16th, 2012
7:10 am
5 unmet promises of President Obama…
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82429.html?hp=f1
AU Liberal in ATL
October 16th, 2012
7:24 am
Get real all you Romney, Ryan, Right Wingers. Be honest, just once. You don’t give a damn about the economy. Your’s is probably just fine. You have jobs and if others don’t, so what. You don’t care about anyone’s health care but your own. Foreign affairs and two wars haven’t touched your life. Your only issue in this election is as plain as your lilly white face. You don’t want that black man in your whitehouse.
Jm
October 16th, 2012
7:25 am
My prediction on the debate: Romney wins by a little or draw
And a draw favors the challenger
Go Romney!
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
7:42 am
If she [Hillary Clinton] and McCain had run against each other, I would have had a hard time deciding whom to vote for. I respect her tenacity and her grit.
I read something like this, from Kayaker, and I’m not sure whether to maybe be generous and say “yeah, maybe he’s being honest with himself” or to take some other path. I lean toward the latter, simply because I’ve heard entirely too many GOP partisans inform me that they think Hillary is fabulous, they think she’s strong and intelligent, yadda yadda yadda.
And I know that these same people would be so easily swayed by a couple of Drudgey/Limbaughian swipes that would be part and parcel of any general election campaign; I also know, as I’ve pointed out many times, that casual sexism is MUCH more socially acceptable in 21st century America than casual racism, and that a Hillary Clinton aspiring to the nation’s highest office would’ve had to withstand a level of brutal misogyny that would make the nastiest jokes leveled against Sarah Palin seem tame.
So in short, no, I don’t buy it.
However, I will allow this much. I suspect those left-leaners who constantly weigh in about what a great candidate a Jon Huntsman would’ve made go way too far when they claim “I would seriously consider voting for him!” Come on. Huntsman, like any prominant GOPer, has to carry idiotic anti-choice and anti-tax baggage around to get *anywhere*–Jon would have to completely bury his comments about how (for example) the ‘09 Recovery Act stimulus probably wasn’t big enough to get the job done.
Let’s be honest–at best, a Candidate Huntsman would be regarded as potentially not horrible, by us on the left.
/somewhat-pointless-rant
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
7:48 am
And a draw favors the challenger
not really. Romney, by any honest reckoning of the current polling, still has significant ground to make up to win this election, and if there’s a draw, it means the status quo continues another week, which sucks for him.
Obama has a tough night ahead; yes, he’s done townhalls recently, and faced some tough questions, but they’re still events that his team manages. He can’t give some questioner the stinkeye and they’re disappeared.
That said, all he really has to do, is to be a lot less sucky than he was last week, and frankly that I don’t think that should be all that hard for him to do.
I think, by the way, that Kyle was on to something with his post-VP debate analysis:
This was a trial run for the second presidential debate, especially in light of President Obama’s comment this week that he was “too polite” the first time around. I don’t think Obama will follow Biden’s lead exactly — in fact, I assume part of the strategy was for Biden to be so over the top with his laughs, smirks and interruptions that Obama can be fairly rude toward Mitt Romney next week but look gentlemanly by comparison.
In fact, I *hope* Kyle’s got that right, because that would be my encouragement–be somewhat nasty, Mr. President, but don’t play this quite like you play basketball.
TaxPayer
October 16th, 2012
7:50 am
In any debate with Romney, only one of him can win. All the others will lose.
USMC
October 16th, 2012
7:50 am
“…You don’t want that black man in your whitehouse.”–AU Liberal in ATL
Well, it seems the desperation from the Left is reaching new levels.
And who said the Debates would have minimal effect on the election.
Even the gullible Liberals didn’t like what they say during the first Debate.
Obama must be in bigger trouble than we think.
TiredOfIt
October 16th, 2012
8:01 am
What was the Ryan photo-opt of washing clean pans all about?
kayaker 71
October 16th, 2012
8:02 am
stands, 7:42,
I never thought that I would be stepping up to defend Hillary. However, she has the balls to accept responsibility for this Libya fiasco while her boss tosses her under the bus to protect his election chances. She did, in at least two speeches prior to admitting fault, profess that some ridiculous video was the cause of this cluster, thinking that she, Rice, Carney and others could spin this in their own way. Even her own State Dept insiders wouldn’t fall on their sword for her or for Bozo. However, for whatever reason, she has stepped up and taken the blame. Her political future is certainly in doubt because of this and well should be. She and her security staff screwed up…. big time. So, spin this any way you please. The end result will no doubt not change.
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
8:05 am
5 unmet promises of President Obama…
What USMC fails to mention is that he wouldn’t support Obama on fullfilling *any* of those promises mentioned in the Politico piece.
anyway, spendy SHEETZ, headin’ upstairs for a bit.
stands for decibels
October 16th, 2012
8:09 am
oh, one other thing:
However, she has the balls to accept responsibility for this Libya fiasco
She’s doing the job she’s supposed to do as a loyal team member. And by the way, merely using the term “balls”, as you and others *constantly* do in place of the word “courage”–mostly to belittle our President, I think, rather than to praise his Secretary of State–indicates that you’re stuck in a rather stupid last-century gender paradigm that seems pretty out of touch.
and what happened in Libya? it’s only a “fiasco” because our corporate media have determined that it needs to be called that. Under an Godly War Preznit like Bush, they’d be telling us how we have to pull together in a time of need.
The corporate media can’t allow Obama to get too uppity. Bad for their bottom line.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 16th, 2012
12:02 pm
TAXPAYER
Increase in spending first year in office: Bush 33%; Obama 27%
Increase Bush second term: 20%
Estimated increase in Obama’s second term: 7%
What I don’t know if how much of this reduction is a result of decreased war spending in Iraq and Afghanistan..
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 16th, 2012
12:31 pm
Stevie Ray – Correct me if I am wrong, I did not know Bush was in the race. I sure hear you libs calling his name every day. I will bet you that if Romney wins(?), he will not blame Obama for the past four years, like you libs choose to do daily!
TW
October 16th, 2012
12:44 pm
If Obama and Romney were to swap skin color at lunch, tomorrow’s media coverage of the debate would be about Cool Hand Luke and Don King.