Drilling here, drilling now has no impact at gas pump

The demand from China and India are back up.

Business is booming again.

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But, but, but according to one of our regulars, Bush just spoke and the gas prices went down faster than Moses parted the Red Sea………..

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Uh oh. We better quit drilling. Can’t have those r

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The Koch brothers are doing very well under President Obama.

However, that extra 10-15% they are making due to the price of crude will still MAKE them cut jobs if their taxes go up 3-4%.

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“In other words, significant, sustained increases in domestic oil production have had and will have little or no effect on the price of gasoline at the pump, because gasoline at the pump is sold at the world price for that commodity. In fact, the financial benefit from increased domestic drilling is being enjoyed almost exclusively by refiners in the form of considerably enhanced profit margins.

Because that’s how the oil markets work.”

And of course democrats, liberals, progresives, greens and people with
a brain have known that all along.

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“Refiners that process the cheaper crude are selling gasoline and diesel into a global market driven more by higher international prices for crude, which are up around 7% in 2012.”

That about says it all. What a fantasy world Republicans live in.

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“So what about less dependence on foreign oil…? Will that not happen as well?”

No, the US does not have enough usable reserves to even get us close to filling out domestic needs. Plus, even if we did the only way to achive a reduction would be to require domestic oil products be only sold in the US. Is that what we need, more government interference in the markets?

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Producing oil here may not have much of a price changing effect on the global market.

However more production of oil here would allow us to curb many of the cost direct or indirect related to importing as much of our oil as we do now.

http://www.iags.org/costofoil.html

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Bush just spoke and the gas prices went down faster than Moses parted the Red Sea…

He didn’t speak, he “jawboned.”

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M. Huggins — “However more production of oil here would allow us to curb many of the cost direct or indirect related to importing as much of our oil as we do now.”

Why? Oil produced here doesn’t necessarily stay here — it gets sold on the world market.

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Well, it’s all a plot to make me drive one of them weeny little economy cars instead of my Ford F-450. The libruls pull stunts like this every once in a while, going way back when they tried to make us measure things in centimeters and meters instead of inches and feet and yards. Well, I don’t care what they charge for gas, I’m going to keep right on driving my full-size pickup. And you can take your facts and stick them where the sun don’t shine. I got my opinion and my opinion is we need to sink a oil well in every back yard and national forest and anywhere else there’s oil.

Have a good Monday everybody.

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Although the right could use the argument of the left’s argument regarding the economy..

“just think how bad it could have been if we didn’t…”

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Uh oh. We better quit drilling. Can’t have those refiners making money. Nevermind the jobs and tax revenue that drilling brings. Matter of fact maybe we ought to just quit drilling period. We will check see what happens to oil prices then.

We hope you’ve enjoyed this episode of Strawman Theater.

This program is made possible by the Koch Foundation, a grant from Exxon/Mobile, and by the generous support of people like you.

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from “downstairs” but with a connection here, except not commenting on pump prices, but rather the bigger economic picture

“Those are the two choices, laid out in stark, direct terms.”

– Jay Bookman

Actually, those are two (of a myriad of) choices, laid out solely in the words of Jay Bookman and offered seemingly in a vacuum, without any consideration of increased revenue generated by a more robust economy, which includes more folks working and paying in to the treasury. If one believes that all money is the result of some sort of government activity, then one misses the point of why we must have someone in the presidency that fully understands our economy and thus, the huge upside influences resulting from homegrown energy, as one example.

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And here i thought that pencil neck convert drove a prius.

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Do you want us to NATIONALIZE oil?.

Now, that’s a stupid question, there! Or a stretch, at least…

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“So you are suggesting that growing domestic supply will not decrease our dependence in any way, shape or form”

Yes. A slight decrease might happen, but effectively it doesn’t matter.

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But drilling more oil won’t make us independent in and of itself.

Something we agree on, but, we’ve got to start somewhere.

It would have been nice though, if O had simply allowed more drilling than he did. Would have at least created some much-needed jobs, if nothing else.

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Sfd

No strawman sir. The oil industry generates jobs and big time tax revenue. Do u deny that?

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Off topic but I need something ’splained to me. In this AJC poll …

http://www.ajc.com/news/national/georgia-statewide-poll/

The last question on the likely voters horse race tab states: Overall, what do you think is the best way to reduce the federal budget deficit: by cutting federal spending, by increasing taxes, or by a combination of both?

65% of responders answered “combination of both”. And yet the same poll shows only 43% of these plan to vote Obama. I guess the other 22% are voting for one of the versions of Mitt that supports this approach.

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DownInAlbany

October 15th, 2012
11:11 am
Do you want us to NATIONALIZE oil?.

Now, that’s a stupid question, there! Or a stretch, at least…

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Nope that’s the simplest and most logical question if you really want independence.

Your duck and weave needs work.

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What none of you secular progressives see is that a President Romney will stare down the world market oil system thereby reinventing it — so that we will have ready access to our own oil. Once we pull our oil from ANWR and the Gulf, there will be no need to deal with our good Arab friends in Saudi I take heat for this, but the Saudis are good friends with the honorable Bush family who kept oil flowing to us thus keeping those gas price$ lower. Do you remember when we had common sense lower gas prices at the pump? Thank the honorable Bush family for those good prices. Those prices will return under the Romney Administration. Folks, help is on the way! Once I explain that logic to my friends and family, a light bulb comes on – showing that Bill’s right. Amen, Bill

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Granny, I have not advocated for nationalization. What are your thoughts on it?

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Joe Hussein Mama
October 15th, 2012
11:13 am

If we equalled the amount there would be no need to protect the oil we currently do. We would cover that lost amount.

I happen to believe if we lowered the percentage of the amount of oil produced by the OPEC countries from 40% to around 30% that would lower their weight at the negotiating table and less likely for them to just turn off the spout just to raise prices.

O

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‘President Romney will stare down the world market oil system thereby reinventing it — ‘

Bill’s losing his touch…he opened the kimona with this doozy…

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Joe Hussein Mama
October 15th, 2012
11:13 am

If we equalled the amount there would be no need to protect the oil we currently do. We would cover that lost amount.

I happen to believe if we lowered the percentage of the amount of oil produced by the OPEC countries from 40% to around 30% that would lower their weight at the negotiating table and less likely for them to just turn off the spout just to raise prices.

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Sfd

Relax man. Its just sarcasm. I probably should have used the kamsPam disclaimer to tell u not to take it to seriously.

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if we stopped with the drilling here/now thing, would prices stay the same? How do we know prices aren’t lower than they would be if there were no drilling here?

I admit I know next to nothing on this, but there seems to be no evidence either way.that would put this in the speculation category.

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Any body else notice the flatline that was the years 2006-2009 and the gradual incline since 2009.

Why did W hate oil production… and America… so much???

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“if we stopped with the drilling here/now thing, would prices stay the same?:

Yes, they would

“How do we know prices aren’t lower than they would be if there were no drilling here?”

Because the price is set by “he who bids more gets the goods” – that’s what “open market” means. It’s essentially an auction and the highest bidders get the most gas

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pencil neck convert is concerned about polygamy and what goes on in foreigner bedrooms. Well i guess every lib has to have a cause they do.

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DRILL BABY DRILL! DRILL HERE DRILL NOW! THE MORE WE DRILL AND PRODUCE THE BETTER FOR US AND OUR ECONOMY!!!!!!!

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…but there seems to be no evidence either way.that would put this in the speculation category.

There’s your sign

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Jeepers JB, where was this info back in ‘05 when Katrina hit? Oh yeah, we had a republican in office who was responsible for the price of gas rising because of his oil buddies. I think one item you’re missing about the price of gasoline is the world trades oil based on the US dollar which has been de-valued so much under this administration (due to higher deficits, out of control spending, and loans from China) that we (the US) are paying an effectively higher cost. So if we can get more value into the US dollar (lower spending, lower borrowing, lower deficits, etc.) we could see lower fuel prices. Good Day!

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DownInAlbany — “Something we agree on, but, we’ve got to start somewhere.”

How about we start with alternative fuels? If electric vehicles don’t work for you (wind, solar and nuclear being means we can use to power them), why not natural gas?

Seems to me that if we reduce our need for petroleum and withdraw our troops protecting it overseas, then we win two ways.

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DownInAlbany

October 15th, 2012
11:06 am

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Another example of an uninformed voter and how Georgia’s education system has failed some…move on UPtoAtlanta to get educated.

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I guess it must be Obama making his big oil buddies rich, eh libs?

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Doom — “That’s an absurd argument that if we increase production other countries will decrease production.if if if. Geez.”

OPEC member nations have proven it true over and over. They’re more interested in maximizing their revenue than in maintaining a steady supply stream. That’s why they set production quotas. Sure, some nations will cheat now and then, but OPEC always adjusts to account for world supply and prevailing cost targets.

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Well, anybody know why Thelma Doom is in such a bad mood today?

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M. Huggins — “If we equalled the amount there would be no need to protect the oil we currently do. We would cover that lost amount.”

I seriously doubt that.

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Well, anybody know why Thelma Doom is in such a bad mood today?

Does anybody really care?

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LHU, not quite sure how much the deficit would go down so much as ANY form of reduced spending, not year-over-year budget reductions, but true reduced spending could only help.

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zeke — “DRILL BABY DRILL! DRILL HERE DRILL NOW! THE MORE WE DRILL AND PRODUCE THE BETTER FOR US AND OUR ECONOMY!!!!!!!”

–Jim Bob Duggar

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While I believe that increased drilling in US would have a minimal effect on oil prices overall, continuing the trend of of more drilling would at least create ‘Merican jurbs that pay better than average and could help balance the export/import ratio.

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‘not quite sure how much the deficit would go down ‘

Take a look at the Ryan plan, and look at Romney’s 20% tax rate reduction promise, plus $2 trillion additional defense spending – then do a little math and you may be able to come up with an idea of ‘how much the deficit will go down.’

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M. Huggins — “If we produce more of a percentage of the worlds oil that would give us more of a voice in the discussion of prices. That will severely hurt the economies of many OPEC nations who have nationalized their oil fields.”

Not following you here. What “discussion of prices” are you talking about?

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So what about less dependence on foreign oil…? Will that not happen as well?

We’re now a net oil exporter (exports are higher than imports). Has it made our lives better? We out of the Middle East yet?

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‘I would happily embrace a Romney presidency if it meant turning out every single member of congress as well… ‘

word…

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“big oil welfare’

Essentially nothing but BS

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Drill now……. for the security of the U.S. and the creation of private sector jobs. The pork barrel stimulus to the Obama funders on the green left has been a total waste of billions. Leave the gub’ment out of this pork barrel job creation.

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ahem.

Cutting PBS is bs.

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Out law gas and get your free gub’ment bike when you vote Obama at the polls.

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Joe Hussein Mama
October 15th, 2012
11:47 am

We would have more power over the speculation at the New York Mercantile Exchange, International Petroleum Exchange (London) And SIMEX.

When OPEC cut the amount of production we could raise it and keep a more constant medium price.
Allowing for far fewer speculations up and causing sudden quick increases.

Especially given that when it goes up it usually stays up as far as prices go.

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As with the previous thread, no good refutations.

One thing to keep in mind in the debates: Romney will tout “North American energy independence.” Not United States. North America.

Which means “Us and a couple of foreigners.” So it still isn’t US energy independence.

But somehow, Republicans think Canadians and Mexicans are just pleased as punch with the idea their oil economy exists to provide Americans with cheap energy for their energy-guzzling ways.

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And every time we wanted to drill, you said no because it would take 10 years to have much effect. So give it 10 years.

Just think if 10 years ago when you made that objection we had ignored you. Now there would be higher supply and it would make a difference at the pumps. But hey, if you think continuing to pump more money into the death cults is that is most middle east governments these days is a great idea, then keep pushing against use of our own resources. You’ll get your wish.

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“the financial benefit from increased domestic drilling is being enjoyed almost exclusively by refiners in the form of considerably enhanced profit margins”

OMG somebody’s making a profit! TAX THEM!!!!

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So what’s your point, Bookman? As the election draws near, you are propping up the Amateur and trying to deflect blame away from him like all you liberals tried to blame Bush when prices were somewhat high at times during his two terms? You guys are so predictable.

Or are you suggesting regulation of prices like a good little socialist, Mr. Marx? I smell a hidden agenda here. After all, you guys love big government, don’ t you? Hugo Chavez thinks it works for his country.

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“Morality” — “The pork barrel stimulus to the Obama funders on the green left has been a total waste of billions. Leave the gub’ment out of this pork barrel job creation.”

I notice that you say nothing of the waste of billions spent on “pork barrel job creation” for the petroleum industry. Perhaps you’re unaware of just how much subsidy is lavished on the oil business in this country.

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Wind turbines in the Atlantic[off shore] will solve the crisis in energy.

Favor please, let Al know that Tipper doesn’t miss him.

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We are second in green energy investment behind China.

You fixate on drudge’s failures but most are thriving businesses.

Just ask Al Gore.

He is worth over 100 million and it is easy money.

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By reducing the Fed gub’ment and their 700,000 gas powered vehicles by 20 % we could reduce our dependency on the middle east’s oil. A simple solution.

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“Morality” — “It takes more energy to build a wind powered engine than that windmill will produce in 30years. Did you know?”

You should look into how much energy it takes to build a nuclear power plant.

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‘It takes more energy to build a wind powered engine than that windmill will produce in 30years. Did you know?’

Show your work, please? Thanks in advance…

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So, we’re down to about 3% of the world’s recoverable oil reserves.

Let’s hurry up and blow through that so we can be totally at the mercy of other producing countries.

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Make no mistake, we are moving forward on green energy and when the banks to start investing huge, it will create a green energy bubble and millions of jobs.

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Joe mama

They don’t own the Atlantic. But i have it on good word from harry Reid that they have a wee bit of political influence.

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REPORT: Jesse Jackson Jr. Allegedly Misused Campaign Funds For Home Decor…

drudgey spam

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“It takes more energy to build a wind powered engine than that windmill will produce in 30years. Did you know?”

More Republican arithmetic.

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Some of the MLP’s are looking good as well as some of the oil stocks and refiners. Cons should practice what they preach and invest in them rather than continue to play their silly game of trying to blame Obama for their higher gas prices. It makes them look as though they’re only in favor of capitalism for others and not themselves.

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cons are dead wrong again so they change the subject.

At what point do you shut the up and show some humility about being dead wrong all the time?

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“JJesse Jackson Jr. Corrupt? Well he is from Chicago dontcha know.”

Junior should become a Republican then run for governor here in Georgia if he wants to continue his political career. That strategy worked well for Nathan.

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Even if it had NO impact on prices(and you know it has kept prices from rising higher than they would have otherwise….

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lonely-hard-oil-rigs-salaries-210157680.html

It’s had a major impact on jobs AND salaries.

People with jobs pay taxes.

People with jobs spend more money.

The bottom line is positive, no matter how you chose to spin it….

Unless you are against jobs as well.

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“It’s had a major impact on jobs AND salaries.”

Way to go Obama! Nice of you to give him credit.

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marty,

By October, it will be 5 million created jobs.

You cons should start the premise of your arguments like this:

“I am usually dead wrong but Obama blah, bla, blah….”

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This liberal line defies all reason and events of recent history. First, the Obama administration has talked as recently as two weeks ago about releasing the strategic oil reserves to reduce the price of gasoline by increasing the supply of oil on the market. Two, every time there is unrest in the middle east that may threaten the oil supply there is an immediate increase in oil prices and a corresponding increase in gasoline prices. Three, I believe I remember Jay writing columns making excuses for Obama’s high gasoline prices by blaming political instability in the middle east. Four) what happend to the pump price of gasoline in California when California experienced a shortage of gasoline? Right now it is averaging more than five dollars a gallon caused by a shortage. While this shortage was not caused by a shorage of oil, but by a stupid environmentaly green policy, it was never the less caused by a shortage of oil. Five) Imagine what the price of gasoline would be if suddenly the United States had access to only domestic produced oil. Now engage brain.

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Let me clear that up – solar energy is the answer to our problem eventually. Solar panels? We still have a long way to go. I would compare research on solar energy to research in finding the cure for cancers. Not close to finding a cure yet. Keep up the research – meanwhile don’t throw billions down the drain on technology that is not there yet like the Obama administration has done.

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Decree that electric power
producers burn only natural
gas which we have in
abundance.
Stop using asphalt.
Convert autos to natural
gas many of which are
already equipped and
subsidize supply stations
if necessary to jumpstart.

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Headline…..Shots fired into an Obama/Biden campaign office in Denver
Authorities are blaming it on altitude.

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President Carter was right.

We should have started green energy in his term.

The rest is history.

cons are dead wrong all the time and exist on this planet for one reason.

To fight for the wealthy that does not need their help.

They realize this is a worthless existence are are angry about it and lash out.

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YouLibs
October 15th, 2012
11:46 am

We sit on about 3% of the world’s estimated reserves. We consume more than a quarter of the world’s production. You do the math.
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Is that real math or Ryan/Romney math?

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“considerably enhanced profit margins”

And, of course, a tidy chunk of these profits goes to the Republican Party. This guarantees Big Oil a large number of House and Senate toadies who will do what they are told when they are told.

Money talks in America. Grow up and lose those illusions of a “compassionate conservative” Party that actually cares for the people.

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frog

That might help a bit, but as long as we’re using plastics to the extent that we are, nothing will change.

A plastic material is any of a wide range of synthetic or semi-synthetic organic solids that are moldable. Plastics are typically organic polymers of high molecular mass, but they often contain other substances. They are usually synthetic, most commonly derived from petrochemicals, but many are partially natural.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic

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marty,

Jobs are jobs and he created 5 million with your failed party fighting against them.

Show some humility and tell us your party deserves to lose because of this fact.

They ran on jobs in 10 and passed no jobs bill.

That is epic failed.

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I hope Jesse Jr. hangs in there. I’d hate to see him resign over something so serious as involvement with prostitutes or the affair with a staffers wife. Oh wait! That was David Vitter and John Ensign. My bad.

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EPAs “philosophy” is to “crucify” and “make examples” of US energy producers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3GB_b7Nuo

Obama Administration’s “Energy” policy is to CRUCIFY American Energy producers.

EPA official, “Pasha Bookman’s Hero”, resigns over ‘crucify’ flap
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0430/EPA-official-resigns-over-crucify-flap

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getalife
October 15th, 2012
12:19 pm

““I am usually dead wrong but Obama blah, bla, blah….”

This you are correct about because I was dead wrong when I voted for Obama in 08 and do not intend to make the same mistake twice.

Fool me once….. You know the rest

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Don’t worry Willie, he will resign over theft/graft charges.

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And of course democrats, liberals, progresives, greens and people with
a brain have known that all along.

Well since 2008 anyway.

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“Way to go Obama! Nice of you to give him credit.”

This was despite the best efforts of Barry.

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marty,

You are a con.

You never voted for our President..

Can you tell the truth about anything?

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Stevie Ray

We still fall victim to world prices, regardless to what we do. Increased fuel efficiency lowers demand here, but it does not impact global demand. That simply frees up more fuel to be exported for additional profit. In 2011, the #1 export for the US was refined oil products, or fuels.

People think of oil and relate it only to gas consumption. Nobody considers other things such as plastic production, lubricants, and other products that come from oil. We would have to cut production and consumption of ALL products, and not just gas, in order to make a difference.

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getalife
October 15th, 2012
12:28 pm

I’m speaking about green jobs specifically!
Obviously this was a campaign promise you don’t want to talk about.

Also not my party. I don’t link myself to a party.

I understand it does make things easier for you to be able to do that but it just shows your complete disregard for integrity or to have any accuracy in what you post.

You are just another among may dividers.

Lots easier to put those who do not think like you into groups.
It’s easier to fight windmills than real monsters ain’t it?

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Comrade Obama on his way to tomorrow night’s Debate…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXKHTTzayU

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getalife,

We fight for Truth, Justice and the American Way!

Now as far as drilling for oil…Why should American boys be doing the job of Arab boys?

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Since the V.P. debate last Thursday, I have been searching my memory. I know I have seen that goofy looking grin somewhere that Biden so abundantly displayed. It kinda reminded me of the grins you see in National Geographic photgrsaphs when the natives row out in their out rigger canoes to get gifts from the sailors or tourists. But that wasn’t quite it Then, watching TV Satuday, Dr. Keith Ablow, noted psychiatrist was questioned about the disconnect between Biden’s laughter and the subject matter to say nothing of his out right dishonesty. Dr. Ablow made an astute analysis. While admitting he did not diagnose Biden, he stated that if he had someone come to him with the same symptoms as displayed by Biden he would be concerned for Dementia. He said he would first test for Alcohol and finding none would recommend MRI and brain scans for Dementia. Dr. Ablow is a very well known and prestigious forensic psychiatrist that is one of the tops in his field. Friends of Biden should be aware and try to help the curent VP. This is a ver serious matter.

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“Comrade Obama ”

So goes the reputation of the US Marine Corps -

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moonbat,

You lied at truth.

There are jobs in North Dakota that are going unfilled because there is no housing or anything to do.

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70% of oil consumption is
for transportation.
Stop riding and hauling so
much.

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“There are jobs in North Dakota that are going unfilled because there is no housing or anything to do.”–Getalife

Getalife those NEEDS will get FILLED by the MARKET. It’s called “Supply and Demand”.
Some smart, hardworking person(s) will come along and fill those needs.

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getalife
October 15th, 2012
12:34 pm

You are right.

Can I borrow your crystal ball for the lottery this week?

Maybe your telepathic abilities next time I take my car to the mechanic?

Have a nice day you have shown yourself to be a joke again.

It’s like Saved by The Bell.
I know you suck and have no real thought but I get sucked in each time.

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“considerably enhanced profit margins”

The oil sector has some of the lowest profit margins in the US.

2012 Net Profit Margins

BP 5.4%
Chevron 9%
Exxon Mobil 8.4%
Hess 5.2%
Marathon 3.4%
Murphy Oil 4%

For comparison’s sake

Apple: 28%
Gannett Co 9.5%

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” all you liberals tried to blame Bush when prices were somewhat high at times during his two terms? You guys are so predictable.”

“Somewhat”??? Try an ALL TIME high in July 2008… of course gas prices rebounded (as W’s economy crashed) to a low in Jan 2009 that bashiite crazy wingnuts, like you, like to point to and scream about… as if $1.81/gal gas at the time was some sort of good economic indicater…

Wingnuts are so predictable…

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getalife

The attempt at ripostes reveals a great deal about some bloggers, doesn’t it?

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Brosephus
charts

http://alternativeenergy.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=001797

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Normal

Thanks. I agree. There’s absolutely no excuse for insulting the gay residents of Dallas in such a manner.

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marty,

I accept your surrender.

Try the truth with facts like Biden next time.

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Thelma weaned on a dill pickle.What do you expect.Orifice erupting again,must be the metamucil.Glut in natural gas, prices continue to climb.Why would you think oil would be different.

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Common sense

Lowest profit margins? Facts don’t matter in kook land. Only kamspam matters.

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OK, back to high school economics class and the law of supply and demand. I know, high level stuff.

We (the US) don’t have sufficient supplies to pump so much oil that we can drive down the world price all by ourselves. It would take a Saudi Arabia, etc. to do that. But without increased production (even the small amount of US increase on world scale) prices would rise even more (gas would be $4.00 here now instead of $3.60). Even liberals can follow that, right?

The world price is far more sensitive to changes in supply (even when about 86-87 million barrels a day are consumed) than I give it credit for. It only takes an attack on an embassy (who punted on security, the State Dept or Exec Branch, where has the finger pointing pointed to today), a bombing here or there, a refinery fire, etc. that knocks a few hundred thousand barrels off line and price of crude can move 5-10% in no time flat (sometimes much more). Announce tomorrow that the increased production of crude by the US will be turned off to a level a few years ago and I guarantee gas will be $4.00 a gallon within a week, if not a few days.

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Jay, if we had started 4 years ago and then more recently added the pipeline from Canada we would definitely be seeing a difference….spare me the latest directive from the Obama re-election committee….do you and Ms CutteR have a conference call every Monday to get the weekly marching orders?

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getalife
October 15th, 2012
12:50 pm

Biden didn’t exactly score a 100% on honesty during the debate either.

He ain’t as drunk he only had 10 drinks not 13 let him drive.

Back to those 5 million green jobs?

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Gas may well get to $10 per gallon in our life times…but I would much rather pay Americans to work and produce that oil that fuels our vehicles.
We’ve heard over and over how drilling here won’t help. I bet if you ask a guy that supports his family working on an American drilling platform if it helps, he’ll tell you differently.

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marty,

Show me where the gop voted to help the middle class.

I watch them on C Span so don’t lie.

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“Those who scream the loudest turn up at gay bars but it really does not matter if he is gay.”

Or most likely Craig’s list, rest stops, and/or a mega church.

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Danny X – Apple: 28%”

Liberals are much better at capitalism. Remarkable. Wow.

China and FoxCon thanks you

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getalife

“It is 2012 not 1950.”

You’d never know that by some of the things you read here -

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willydoit?
October 15th, 2012
12:53 pm

Gas may well get to $10 per gallon in our life times…
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It my be now, if you figure in all of the military costs to keep the middle east “open”.

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getalife
October 15th, 2012
12:54 pm

Never said the GOP did.

Not voting for the GOP, I’m voting for Romney.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
12:53 pm

Is that a sign I get at Drudge? Cause that’s what you seem to post about most.

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getalife,

Own it lib.

Man up and admit dems care nothing about creating jobs.

Their interest lies in creating a society that suckles from the teat of government.

Udder failures….

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Moonbat,

You can thank President Obama for natural gas buses, higher fuel mileage ratings, electric and hybrid and self driving cars.

The bailout of the auto industry came with strings attached unlike w bailouts of the banks with no strings attached.

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The attempt at ripostes reveals a great deal about some bloggers

That’s just the sort of thing I’d expect a sub-$30K salaried, scooter-riding, Trader Joe’s-employed homosexual Texan to say.

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Get Real

“ay, if we had started 4 years ago and then more recently added the pipeline from Canada we would definitely be seeing a difference”

There’s a reason that pipeline terminated at Texas on the Gulf coast. First to refineries, then to a terminal where it’d be loaded onto tankers to be sent around the world. In other words, it wouldn’t be shipped back north to points in the US. So it really doesn’t affect US supplies.

moonbat betty

“Why hasn’t Obama pushed natural gas? (not from himself personally, mind you)

We could have had thousands of CNG stations all over the US by now.

Nothing has changed in his tenure.

Time to clean house(s).”

Point of clarification: are you saying Republicans are prepared, under Romney, to intervene in the market and grant taxpayer support to one energy industry to ensure its price competitiveness?

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Paul,

“You’d never know that by some of the things you read here -”

We have to drag them into the 21st century like dead weight.

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barking frog

Well, you’re never going to get 100% understanding of some remarks -

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We need an energy policy that is balanced and logical. We can’t go back to the radical republican policy of drill, baby, drill because that leads to spill, baby, spill when we don’t take the time to safely drill and transport the oil through pipelines. We also cannot afford to just burn, baby, burn every thing we produce without efficiency standards like CAFÉ and other policies that conserve our hydrocarbons including renewable energy. We can all agree that we don’t have a discovery problem, but a spending and wasting problem when it comes to our natural resources. If we adopt an energy policy that is spend, baby, spend our children and grandchildren will have no natural resources to live on.

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Is that a sign I get at Drudge?

No.

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“Guess waiting for the “next” Edison under Obama’s reign is problematic since theoretically he could be aborted.”

Apparently he would’ve been aborted, since Obama is forcing abortions on everybody… or by using the same incredulous stretch and idiotic connotation, had he been born under Nixon’s, Ford’s, Carter’s, Reagan’s, Bush’s, Clinton’s, or W’s reign the world world have been denied Einstein’s genius…

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stands

Well, I try to be accommodating -

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Paul,

I would hope the most viable solution would be taken advantage of by whoever is in charge at the time.

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“Morality” — “Mama – I understand your concern about depending on one source of energy and would agree except for the fact that if the sun is not there to generate our energy we won’t have a need for energy since we will be extinct. There will be a major break through in solar power some day that will “save” the world’s economy and doom the sheik’s empire’s in the middle east.”

It doesn’t take a huge breakthrough to do it. All it requires that that we get started doing it and that we be persistent and assiduous in adding solar and wind to our national energy mix.

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moonbat,

Have see seen natural gas cars?

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
1:05 pm

Where can I get one then?

Or are you just using the old very old and played out Bill Engvall bit?

“1997…. Paging 1997 please report to the front of the store, your ride is waiting”

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So, Granny, did you get BOTH of your votes in for O? grin

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The real answer to all this is to be less dependent on foreign oil period, but that is socialism to some people. Everything that does not agree with Romney is a communist plot. If we had told people they can’t get 125% mortgages on their houses, we would be told we are social engineering. This individual freedom trumps all except when it comes to buying liquor, prostitution, gambling or drugs. And notice how the red states that have the most poverty have now found a way to have gambling, the very states that were key to prohibition. As Will Rogers use to say, they will keep prohibition out as long as voters can stumble to the polls to vote against it.

Now we tell the country they need to worry about global warming or we need alternative fuel sources or we do something about the medical crisis, they either have a better plan that has not been introduced since 1864 when the Republican Party was organized, or our plan, the only one on the table is all wrong, with them having nothing. Then when the fuel prices are 10 dollars a gallon and their constituents are the ones getting rich off of it, they then convince the dull minded in this country it is the very people who tried to prevent it in the first place.

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“I am so proud to have cast another vote for Barack Obama for President”

Thank you.

I will chant four more years in line and watch the look on the cons faces.

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Where can I get one then?

Where can you get “one” what, sport?

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And in other important news, Obama, who admitted to being ignorant of the security situation at all U.S. installations across the globe, answered hard-hitting questions about American idol…

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Kam: you’d like that wouldn’t you? Don’t have to deal with the truth that way!

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So if you are “personally” opposed to murder…

“Murder” is a legal term.

Since abortion is a legal procedure, it cannot by definition be “murder.”

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Where can you get “one” what, sport? Keep up, there Kam and you won’t have to ask stupid questions.

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“Morality” — “So if you are “personally” opposed to murder, for example, should you vote for it to be legal because yo don’t want to stand in the way of those that think it’s O.K.? That is exactly what Jivin’ Joe said when he was asked how he felt about abortion. That’s just the politician in Jivin’ Joe – you know, I’m against it but I’m for it.”

It doesn’t matter how he would vote in regards to it. Abortion’s a legal right in this country as a matter of settled law.

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straitroad

“And in other important news, Obama, who admitted to being ignorant of the security situation at all U.S. installations across the globe”

You may want to look at how certain issues are bumped from agency or cabinet level to being deemed necessary for direct presidential involvement and decision.

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DownInAlbany

Oh heavens! You are one silly goose!

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sport? I think that’s section B. This is the editorial page.

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 15th, 2012
1:12 pm

My sign.

Or is it the old tired Engvall joke?

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October 15th, 2012
1:16 pm

Our President will destroy mitt on Libya because mitt freaked out and called our President a terrorist sympathizer and played politics after a attack.

As opposed to the president that flew to Las Vegas for a fund-raiser! smh

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“Yes, I have seen natural gas cars.”

Really?

Where?

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frog

Thanks for the chart. I’m curious as to what the current percentages are.

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USMC — “Somebody tell Kamspam there are no doors on INTERNET blogs.”

It’s actually a series of tubes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes

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Abortion’s a legal right in this country as a matter of settled law.

but it won’t be if Romney is elected President, and replaces a Justice or two.

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getalife, they are everywhere.

Along with buses, delivery trucks and tractor trailers.

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willydoit — “I would much rather pay Americans to work and produce that oil that fuels our vehicles.”

ZOMG SOSHULIZUM

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Downstairs, the same commenters who were experts on the deficit, are now here equally informed about domestic energy resources and the effect of globalization on the price of oil.

Cons are expert liars regardless of the topic.

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Check it out get: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/03/the-natural-gas-alternative/index.htm

What’s cool is you could potentially refuel your car from home as well.

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why don’t we blockade ourselves? an energy blockade! let’s put our energy
where our mouth is. NO ENERGY IN-NO ENERGY OUT. the tipping point has been reached. with the energy we produce now, we can determine our own fate.

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Further Evidence Emerges that Koch brothers are Evil, Hate America

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get – you can have a tank installed at your home and fill up in your own driveway

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Moonbat, thanks for that link, interesting stuff.

I wasn’t aware of the range limitation issue:

Honda claims a 220 to 250 mile range from the Civic Natural Gas. But when we tested a 2008 model, we couldn’t get more than about 130 before the low-fuel indicator came on.

…but ~150 miles on a tankful is still an improvement over any electrics out there, I think.

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cat and moonbat,

I guess they figured out how to stop it exploding in a crash test.

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Have all you 47% ers voted yet. The poles are open! Go protect those food stamps, free housing, free healthcare, free cell phones, and other goodies that are FREE. You can cast your vote for Obama today!

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“Natural gas powered buses seem to work….invest here.”

Tractor trailers will be next.

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get – it’s not explosive in liquid form

http://www.energy.ca.gov/lng/faq.html#1000

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TERM LIMITS for the President are 4 years under one term and 8 years total under two terms if reelected.. That has nothing to do with what you brought up – constitutional limits. You changed the subject. Some on here (not sure if you wee one) said Congress has TERM LIMITS because they can be voted out. Congress does not have TERM LIMITS because they can be reelected forever – like Jivin’ Joe Biden. Let’s compare apples to apples and not try to compare normal circumstances to an emergency act.

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Despite having an affordable all electric car now on the market, it gets less than 100 miles from a charge..

Plug in hybrids should be able to bridge that gap. It will be interesting to see what happens when Toyota makes is plug-in Prius available throughout the country in 2013.

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Well of course the early voting lines are full of Democrats, none of them have jobs and the ones that don’t have abortions scheduled, or appointments at the unemployment office to pick up checks, came out early to vote because it’s such a huge hassle when you have to cast your vote and then return later in the day to vote again, we’re smart enough to spread it out… vote early… vote often…

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Have all you 47% ers voted yet. The poles[sic] are open!

Stripper poles?
Natives of Poland?

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“Morality” — “TERM LIMITS for the President are 4 years under one term and 8 years total under two terms if reelected.. That has nothing to do with what you brought up – constitutional limits.”

It’s got exactly to do with what I brought up, both here and downstairs. A President is NOT NECESSARILY limited to two terms.

“You changed the subject.”

Denied. I simply pointed out that you were wrong. And you are.

“Some on here (not sure if you wee one) said Congress has TERM LIMITS because they can be voted out. Congress does not have TERM LIMITS because they can be reelected forever – like Jivin’ Joe Biden. Let’s compare apples to apples and not try to compare normal circumstances to an emergency act.”

No emergency act involved, Champ; that Amendment’s been in force for over 60 years. I gave you the same answer here as I did downstairs. There is NOT an eight-year limit on Presidential service, and you need to read the Twenty-Second Amendment for the details.

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“Pro Lifrer’s can suck it”…….. Yes I am pro life – I treasure human life. Once a lib started in on me about pro choice stating that a baby in the womb is not a human baby. I said that if left alone what is it going to be – an elephant? Does it not have human DNA – so what else can it be? Then he blurted out “well who is going to pay for all these unwanted babies then?” Ah ha! Finally – to the point. Liberals don’t want to pay for these “unwanted” babies. Well – why didn’t you just say so to start with!!!

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many years ago…
“Howdy middle-easterners……this here stuff under y’alls sand is OIL. You’ns can get rich now…..you’ns used to be the cradle of civilization, ‘cept’n now you’ns has done fell back a spell, still ridin’ camels and such. We’uns is here to show you’ns how to bring up that black-gold from way down under.”
And it has been downhill ever since!

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I just read over the Charter School Amendment that is on the voter ballot. It can be very deceiving to any of the voters that are not informed?? I will vote NO anyway

Provides for improving
student achievement
and parental
involvement through
more public charter
school options.
House Resolution No. 1162
Act No. 762
Ga. L. 2012, p. 1364

“Shall the Constitution of Georgia
be amended to allow state or local
approval of public charter schools
upon the request of local
communities?”

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EC

a smart grid of home based wind and solar on the other hand could greatly supplement overall energy demands

You should check out Germany’s situation. They put panels all over and didn’t upgrade their power grid. As a result, their grid can’t handle the surges created by peak sun. You also would have to get around obstacles like the Southern Co. The way Georgia’s laws are, they don’t make such a system easy to create. If I remember correctly, you are treated as a utility company if you want to put home generated power into the grid unless you use Georgia Power’s plan.

I think that would be a great plan to use panels throughout the system.

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E. Cat — “FWIW Grover Cleveland served 3 terms but don’t think it could happen today as per JHM”

And FDR served most of four terms.

A President can *succeed* to the Presidency due to assuming the office (e.g. President dies and VP succeeds to the office), and then that *succeeding* President can serve another two terms being elected in their own right . . . IF . . . they served less than two full years in that period when they succeeded (but had not been *elected*) to the office.

The amendment specifically did not apply to the sitting president (Harry S. Truman) at the time it was proposed by Congress. Truman, who had served nearly all of FDR’s unexpired fourth term and who had been elected to a full term in 1948, thought it better to resume the tradition of leaving office after two terms, rather than run for reelection in 1952.

The Presidents who have been prohibited from continuing to seek election to the presidency under the amendment are Dwight D. Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush; all were elected to the presidency twice. Former presidents Jimmy Carter and George H. W. Bush, both defeated after only one term (in 1980 and 1992 respectively), are eligible to seek the office again, as well as the incumbent Barack Obama, who is eligible to seek a second term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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Well this little tidbit of “news” doesn’t help with the situation either. “President Obama is campaigning as a champion of the oil and gas boom he’s had nothing to do with, and even as his regulators try to stifle it. The latest example is the Interior Department’s little-noticed August decision to close off from drilling nearly half of the 23.5 million acre National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska” – WSJ

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I know you are a genius and we are just stupid – IN YOUR MIND.

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“FWIW Grover Cleveland served 3 terms but don’t think it could happen today as per JHM”

Someone can only be elected to serve 2 terms as President, but if a VP move up due to the assassination, or otherwise incapacitation, of a sitting President…on, say, the day after inauguration. Then the VP would server all but 1 day of that Presidential term and still be eligible to be elected to 2 terms.

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Sad day for Education as Florida Educators Approve RACE-based academic goals…
http://thegrio.com/2012/10/12/florida-education-board-approves-race-based-academic-goals/

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hey thugee,
that was a good one!

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TERM LIMITS – For an ELECTED President under normal circumstances are 4 years per TERM with a TWO TERM LIMIT. I said nothing about assuming office due to the death of the President or an act of national emergency. What I said then and now are the same – no flip flop and what I said is correct. Not going to waste any more time on your “is” is.

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“Drill here drill now” ended Jan 20, 2009. We now are living in a “world of limits.” Too bad the regime is so hostile to developing natural resources.

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Oh, and this?

“Morality” — ““Anyone that has a basic knowledge of U.S. history knows that the President’s term was extended during WWII because Congress agreed to declare it a national emergency.”

Bulldada.

FDR was *elected* to four terms. Congress didn’t have jack to do with FDR serving that long; no ‘term extension’ was done on his behalf or anything remotely resembling it.

Perhaps you don’t know American history as well as you think you do.

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For all you political experts about the Presidency.

Cleveland is the only president to serve two non-consecutive terms (1885–1889 and 1893–1897) and therefore is the only individual to be counted twice in the numbering of the presidents. He was the winner of the popular vote for president three times – in 1884, 1888, and 1892

He may have won the popular vote 3 times, but he was President for only 2 terms.

BTW, Obama’s term ends January 20, 2013.

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“we are just stupid ”

I think helping Americans that need no help is stupid.

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Stevie Ray

The only way to make things viable is to experiment and research. Not using something now because of the excuse that it’s not viable now only makes it longer before it becomes viable.

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Betty

You should check out the “Hydrogen House” project. Combine the practicality of already proven things there and the hydrogen fuel cell car that Honda has in production, and a person could come close to being almost self sustainable. I’m sure that, as word gets out about these things, there will be an effort to conceal this knowledge.

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BTW, Obama’s second term starts January 20, 2013.

Fixed that for you because he is up by 3.

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They want to put windmills and solar panels on our cars, on our homes, in our deserts and off our shores. I mean why not put a windmill on our off shore oil platforms so that when a hurricane come the whole thing will explode?

We have to make nice with OPEC now.

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Morality? believes an acorn is an oak tree…

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EDGEWISE
October 15th, 2012
2:18 pm
youlibs,
that’s the whole point, and a simple one to remedy: STOP EXPORTING

Tell that to the oil companies. They generally don’t like Obama and won’t listen to him.

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I kind of feel sorry for Romney and Republicans in general. They want power so bad. Unfortunately, their candidates and policies are just terrible.

Romney hasn’t had a job in like 10 years. He should be a fact MACHINE. Unfortunately, you have to know the facts in order to distort them. Kind of like a used car salesman. And what this man and this party are selling is a lemon…!!!!

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Thanks, Bro.

I love the idea of H fuel cells!

I have been very disappointed it has not evolved quicker.

Though, I am very impatient.

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Morality?

October 15th, 2012
11:51 am
Drill now……. for the security of the U.S. and the creation of private sector jobs. The pork barrel stimulus to the Obama funders on the green left has been a total waste of billions. Leave the gub’ment out of this pork barrel job creation.

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Uh…..kind of short-sighted, eh..!?!?? What about when the oil is all gone..????

The “green left” is concerned with SUSTAINABLE energy independence…rather than “blah here, blah now, go to war for oil after it all runs out”….!!!!!

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The Department of State is pushing back against top White House aides who have tried to blame it for not doing enough to defend the Benghazi, Libya, facilities prior to the Sept. 11 jihad attack.

On Friday, the department released an Oct. 9 background press briefing, during which a State Department official contradicted the White House’s claim about the video.

Who ends up with bus tracks on this one? Hillary or O?

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Do the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS! drill here drill now?

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““Anyone that has a basic knowledge of U.S. history knows that the President’s term was extended during WWII because Congress agreed to declare it a national emergency.”

Anyone with a basic knowledge of US history knows that the term limit for President was put in to the Constitution BECAUSE FDR was elected 4 times. There were no term limits before then.

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j.hussein,
opec, or local oil employee?

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Earlier this week, Stimulus beneficiary Evergreen Energy bit the dust. Then, Ener1, a manufacturer of batteries for electric vehicles and recipient of Stimulus largesse, filed for bankruptcy. And today, the Las Vegas Sun reports that Amonix, Inc., a manufacturer of solar panels that received $5.9 million from the Porkulus, will cut two-thirds of its workforce, about 200 employees, only seven months after opening a factory in Nevada.

Check this out…dozen plus failed investments…wonder what is around the corner…don’t forget to make note of the bunders and other cronies who pissed away trillions of our dollars..

http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2012/08/grading-obamas-green-energy-stimulus.html

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the Rush transcriptionist pep squad will be here in 30 min

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Jimmy Carter said we would run out of oil soon – that was in 1974. I did not say to not use other sources of energy also. I am for that if the expense is justifiable. I am against throwing millions of tax payers dollars at special interests that support the President with their funding – that’s a kickback, payoff – whatever you want to call it. Government should run the government and let the private sector take care of energy production. “Gub’mentize the oil industry”……. you Chavez socialists are like roaches coming out from under the door today. Answer for you? 1-800- ORKIN.

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” Government should run the government and let the private sector take care of energy production”

and nevermind that our energy supply is a matter of national security. Pay not attention to that, it’s not even important.

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“I do believe that Oak trees begin as acorns….. ”

Weaseling out of your original statement…

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Here’s the skinny on me:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/330383/biden-s-private-reality-editors

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I am still For TERM LIMITS for Congress – Repub, Dems and the one confirmed Socialist alike. Congress is broken there is no willingness to work together any more ……. TERM LIMITS will solve the problem.

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Time to go vote for the President of the U.S. . early voting this time. The last 4 years have led to run away wasteful spending and a $6,000,000,000 addition to the Fed debt. When is Obama going to “evolve” in to a fiscal conservative? Never , so I have to vote for the lesser big spender of the two – that being Romney.

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“Congress is broken there is no willingness to work together any more ……. TERM LIMITS will solve the problem”

No, it won’t. If the voters still elect extremely partisan legislators…nothing will change.

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“As a liberal myself, I am proud that the news media often leans left.”

- Scott Stenholm

Exactly. I mean who wants anyone to strive for objectivity and to tell it the way it really is?

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“Morality” — “I am still For TERM LIMITS for Congress”

I accept your concession and apology.

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Indeed. All Our Beloved Messiah has to do is raise his arms toward Mecca and crab grass is turned into high test gasoline and transported to our tanks so we can drive to rallies for Our Beloved Messiah. Did you think a Living God capable of lower the seas and healing the planet is going to be thwarted by a shortage of dead dinosaurs? All those refinery and oil field workers can be employed in carving Our Beloved Messiah’s features on Mount Rushmore and Stone Mountain. The ears and the teleprompter should prove to be a challenge.

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This weekends prediction: Florida 17 & S.Carolina 14……… Spurrier announces his retirement to Sun City at the end of the season.. UGA 31 & Kentucky 10……. eliminating S.C. from a chance at the SEC East title. Spurrier sets a Guinness World record for whining and crying and checks in to Green Leaf for rehab.

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Mama – You are a true politician in the Sick Willie mold – accepting what wasn’t offered.

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Mama – I neither ask for or accept your apology… and expect none. I am still for TERM LIMITS for Congress.. no exceptions

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getalife

October 15th, 2012
1:46 pm

There is no single energy solution. Our President tossed the kitchen sink at it and uses all technologies.

That is an outright lie, have you seen him toss a baseball, like a girl and left handed, what a dud

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“Morality” — “Mama – I neither ask for or accept your apology… and expect none.”

Good, because I’ve got nothing to apologize for.

You were wrong, you asked me how, I showed you and you STILL argued about it for 2+ hours.

“I am still for TERM LIMITS for Congress.. no exceptions”

Irrelevant to the fact that the President’s not limited to eight years of service, as you incorrectly claimed.

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The Gub’ment could have monopolized the oil market with $6,000,000,000 and shut down the threat from the Mid East that now controls oil prices. Yes but Obama needed that money to create temporary, makeshift gub’ment jobs.

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Morality?
October 15th, 2012
3:16 pm
“The Gub’ment could have monopolized the oil market with $6,000,000,000 and shut down the threat from the Mid East that now controls oil prices.”

What happened to free enterprise? Who are we going to give the money to?

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Mama – Never thought you owed me an apology and I didn’t ask for or expect one. Likewise I don’t owe you an apology either as I was not wrong. You have tried all this before over the subject of public school labor unions in Georgia when you said they did not exist. I showed you exactly where the evidence was they that do exist and then you tried to say that is illegal in Georgia. Wrong. They can be members of the NTF. They just don’t have any power in Georgia. Though I showed you proof there you would never acknowledge that you were wrong and now you are trying it again. You change and twist the argument to something I was not even talking about. I was not talking about the Constitution amendment to extend a term of the President when Congress has deemed a national emergency –
WWII. I was not talking about the Georgia public teachers having an effective labor union in Georgia. Georgia public school teachers can legally members of the NTF and many are. So I got no apology from you either time and I don’t need one or ask for one. Good day!

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“Morality” — “Mama – Never thought you owed me an apology and I didn’t ask for or expect one.”

Good. ;D

“Likewise I don’t owe you an apology either as I was not wrong.”

You clearly were. I showed you where and how. But it’s clearly too much to expect of you to live up to your name.

“You have tried all this before over the subject of public school labor unions in Georgia when you said they did not exist.”

There are no Georgia teachers’ unions. You clamed there were, and I showed you that there weren’t.

“I showed you exactly where the evidence was they that do exist and then you tried to say that is illegal in Georgia. Wrong.”

Nope. I’m absolutely right. Teachers’ unions are illegal in GA.

“They can be members of the NTF. They just don’t have any power in Georgia.”

Which means that there aren’t any Georgia teachers’ unions. Thanks for the admission and concession!

“Though I showed you proof there you would never acknowledge that you were wrong”

Nope. I said that there are no Georgia teachers’ unions, and there aren’t.

“and now you are trying it again. You change and twist the argument to something I was not even talking about.”

Nope. You said this: “You uneducated illiterates need educating and Gub’ment 101 is now in session. The President has TERM LIMITS – meaning His/Her term is limited by LAW to 8 years maximum” and that’s clearly wrong. I’ve proven it so. (laughing)

Now that you’re melting down, it certainly is! (giggling)

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So if we can’t drill our way to energy independence due to free market principles, then we need to develop other sources of energy to help us get there, yes?

But isn’t this sort of like the “all of the above” energy approach President Obama has been advocating throughout his first term? No, it’s EXACTLY like he’s been advocating, and, obviously, the only one that will work!

So maybe it’s not a question of how will we get to energy independence that’s most important for us now, but WHEN will we get a Republican Party not in the pocket of Big Oil? Jay, I may not be a genius, but I’m pretty sure it’s not this election!

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a driller is buying mineral rights in Wayne county in se Georgia. does it have anything to do with the possibility of exporting LNG from savannah?

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natural gas over supply will be converted to LNG and exported. the energy
we have so abundantly stored underground by nature should be considered strategic to the future wellbeing and yes, safety of the country. energy sources should not be sold to the highest bidder. someday, someone could literally buy us out. someday there will be one owner of the worlds energy. they will protect it. if you want some, it will cost you.

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