Ohio voter-suppression laws give GOP’s game away

There’s just something fundamentally wrong and, well, unAmerican about this.

From Roll Call:

A federal appeals court in Cincinnati today decided two cases related to Ohio’s provisional voting procedures, ruling that it is unconstitutional to toss out ballots that are cast in the incorrect voting precinct due to poll-worker error.

Ohio law “effectively requires voters to have a greater knowledge of their precinct, precinct ballot, and polling place than poll workers,” the three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit said.

Ohioans cast 200,000 provisional ballots in the 2008 elections, and 14,000 of those were rejected for being cast in the wrong precinct. Given that the state increasingly uses polling locations that serve voters from more than one precinct and that 13 different classes of voters are required to use provisional ballots, the reality exists that “thousands” of ballots would be tossed out “where the voter’s only mistake was relying on the poll-worker’s precinct guidance,” the judges said.

“This is the most important decision in this election cycle,” election law expert Rick Hasen wrote on the “Election Law Blog.”

It is the second time in as many weeks that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit has ruled against Ohio in election-related cases.

Just last week, it blocked changes made to Ohio’s early voting rules that allowed some military voters to cast ballots in the three days before Election Day while barring nonmilitary voters from doing the same. Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted (R) has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to grant an emergency stay in that case until the court can hear the state’s appeal.

Given the sanctity of the vote, how can government officials actively seek to disenfranchise thousands of its citizens in such a fashion? It’s unconscionable.

In the Ohio case, the effort is being championed by a Republican attorney general and Republican secretary of state. “Clearly, Republicans want to limit last-minute early voting, which in 2008 was most heavily used by less-affluent, minority voters,” the Cleveland Plain Dealer points out. The same motivation drives the effort to throw out thousands of ballots cast in the wrong precinct; that problem pops up far more often in urban settings, where precincts are much smaller and lines more confusing, than in suburban and rural areas dominated by Republicans.

There can be no justification for such efforts, and the Ohio example gives the larger GOP game away. They are engaged in a shamelessly partisan effort to deny the ballot to eligible, legitimate voters, and if you have to stoop to tactics like that to win, in a sense you have already lost.

– Jay Bookman

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Tundra Dude

October 12th, 2012
9:15 am

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2012
9:15 am

Given the sanctity of the vote, how can government officials actively seek to disenfranchise thousands of its citizens in such a fashion?

They are power hungry b@stards who are more concerned about maintaining power than they are about actually governing.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 12th, 2012
9:15 am

Voter supression under the guise of “protecting the right to vote” is just offensive.

Aquagirl

October 12th, 2012
9:15 am

It’s

Well c’mon Jay, don’t leave us hanging.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 12th, 2012
9:16 am

Jay, you have an unfinished sentence in the last word of the 3d to last paragraph.

DownInAlbany

October 12th, 2012
9:17 am

They are power hungry b@stards who are more concerned about maintaining power than they are about actually governing.

Speaking of the Obama/Biden ticket?

Jay

October 12th, 2012
9:19 am

Fixed it, guys. Thanks for the heads up.

And for the record, while Fred’s time in the wilderness has expired, I’m not sure the tender soul is prepared to return.

Welcome to the Occupation

October 12th, 2012
9:20 am

Jay: “Given the sanctity of the vote..”

What “sanctity” would that be exactly and where exactly is that enshrined?

I can tell you that the Right by and large strenuously rejects the notion of such a “sanctity” of voting, as we can clearly see in episodes like this. The idea goes back to the infamous Paul Weyrich speech in the 70s dismissing “goo goo government” that wants everyone to vote, and beyond.

So how are you going to defend a sanctity on which there is no foundation in our political system?

Mick

October 12th, 2012
9:21 am

I’m shocked, absolutely shocked that republicans want to constrict voting, and which other state is leading the charge? Floriduh with gov. rick “the disaster” scott at the helm…bring back charlie crist a true american that promoted voting…

DebbieDoRight - Conservatives have always been great storytellers; it is their fatal weakness. They love casting their eyes back to the past to avoid seeing what lies right under their noses.

October 12th, 2012
9:23 am

Morning Bro! — You’re really in a feisty mood this morning! Found someone trying to smuggle millions of dollars worth of fake Gucci bags or something?, (I want one!!).

As to the topic, why are we surprised? Didn’t we learn ANYTHING from Karl Rove? Remember when he fired all of those Federal Judges (who WERE republican appointees by the way), because they wouldn’t toe the line and uphold the prosecution of phantom “Illegal Voters”?

This has been part of Rove’s grand strategy for at least a decade. He’s set up the game plan years ago, and now it’s coming to fruition.

We should be thanking Rove — he’s shown us, more than anything else, how totally repugnant the republican party has become.

Thank you Karl.

DebbieDoRight - Conservatives have always been great storytellers; it is their fatal weakness. They love casting their eyes back to the past to avoid seeing what lies right under their noses.

October 12th, 2012
9:25 am

You hurt Fred’s feelings Jay. He’s just very passionate about certain things and he didn’t mean any harm. Besides, He likes College Football — He’s just about perfect as far as I’m concerned.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

October 12th, 2012
9:25 am

Cheaters never win

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2012
9:26 am

Jay

Thanks for letting Fred loose. Also, can you forward my contact info to USinUK for me?

Goldie

October 12th, 2012
9:26 am

The GOP likes to claim that the majority of Americans vote “right of center” in elections, and yet they spend all this effort to suppress those voters that are supposed to be right of center? How much more ridiculous can their assertions be???

:)

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 12th, 2012
9:27 am

“Given the sanctity of the vote, how can ***GOP*** government officials actively seek to disenfranchise thousands of its citizens in such a fashion? It’s unconscionable.” (edited for clarification)

because they can’t win on ideas.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 12th, 2012
9:28 am

Hey Bro-man!!! see you on Monday!!! (Jay, it’s okay to let Brocephus stalk me – hoping to see him at the airport)

Thulsa Doom

October 12th, 2012
9:28 am

“Voter supression under the guise of “protecting the right to vote” is just offensive.”

I see the liberal whining begins early today. As does the effort to protect the Democrat dead voters, multiple voters, and fraudulent voters.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

October 12th, 2012
9:28 am

So how are you going to defend a sanctity on which there is no foundation in our political system?

Are you serious, or are you just kidding with that statement?

Mick

October 12th, 2012
9:28 am

**because they can’t win on ideas.**

Bingo! Simple as that…

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2012
9:29 am

Speaking of the Obama/Biden ticket?>

Nope. I’m talking about those dumbass Republicans in Ohio who are trying to subvert the very Constitution that they claim to love and uphold.

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DDR

Two things that I feel strongly about is college football and voting rights. I think God specifically avoided letting me loose on this Earth prior to the 1960’s because I would not have made it out of that decade alive. I will raise much hell over trying to squash someone’s right to vote, regardless of who it is and/or who they support.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 12th, 2012
9:30 am

(totally off-topic … )

got my USD … ready to fly home on Monday … see my dadkins, brother, sister, nieces, nephews and the world’s cutest GREAT niece …

oh, and bacon. I’m looking forward to eating REAL frickin bacon. That’s one thing that the Brits just don’t know how to do.

Mick

October 12th, 2012
9:30 am

**As does the effort to protect the Democrat dead voters, multiple voters, and fraudulent voters.**

Yes, you are correct, dems are protecting all five of them…the horror..

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:30 am

“I’ll kill a man in a fair fight. Or if I think he’s gonna *start* a fair fight.”

–Jayne Cobb, Firefly

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2012
9:30 am

USinner

Will likely be there huffing and puffing. Gotta make an appointment for a sonogram that afternoon too.

stands for decibels

October 12th, 2012
9:30 am

how can government officials actively seek to disenfranchise thousands of its citizens in such a fashion

A sense of shame? An inkling of decency? what’s that?

I know it sounds hackneyed, but I really do wonder sometimes, what these people will tell their kids. Probably they hope it never comes up.

Joseph

October 12th, 2012
9:31 am

I think the much bigger story should be the Obama regime disenfranchising the men and women in the military…. But I guess Jay must focus on this non-sense…

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2012
9:31 am

As does the effort to protect the Democrat dead voters, multiple voters, and fraudulent voters.

As much as y’all whine about that sh*t, you think someone would have at least ONE court case that could be cited by now.

:roll:

Joseph

October 12th, 2012
9:31 am

bookman parrot

October 12th, 2012
9:31 am

Jay “falseness”,

They are not voter suppression, They are do it correctly and do it with identification.
Libs don’t like simple rules, because then they can’t cheat as easily.

Welcome to the Occupation

October 12th, 2012
9:32 am

DebbieDoRight: “Are you serious, or are you just kidding with that statement?”

Not at all, but let me be clearer. How are you going to defend a principle on which there is no foundation of agreement? The hard right rejects the idea on principle and are on the verge of getting away with it.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 12th, 2012
9:32 am

” Gotta make an appointment for a sonogram that afternoon too.”

:shock:

are we expecting???

Mick

October 12th, 2012
9:32 am

usinuk

Don’t forget to veer off to paradise down here for a spell…the weather has been cherry of late…

Joseph

October 12th, 2012
9:33 am

I will admit this though Jay. Obama has a lock on the dead vote!!!

Thulsa Doom

October 12th, 2012
9:33 am

“He’s just very passionate about certain things and he didn’t mean any harm.”

Well of course Fred didn’t mean any harm. He only meant kindness and love for Steve when he was badgering and bullying him after Steve had twice already apologized.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 12th, 2012
9:33 am

” Libs don’t like simple rules, because then they can’t cheat as easily.”

yes, which is why it’s sooooooooooooooooo widespread.

oh.

wait.

nevermind.

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2012
9:34 am

I think the much bigger story should be the Obama regime disenfranchising the men and women in the military….

When you have to lie to make a point, you don’t really have a point to begin with. I guess we should call that one the Joseph Clause, although I have to credit Doggone for raising that point numerous times here.

Where do you disenfranchise military by putting them on equal footing with the rest of the voting public? Explain that one for us, o’ wise one?

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2012
9:34 am

USinner

Yep #2 due in March. :)

Mr. Snarky

October 12th, 2012
9:34 am

Suppress the vote? Sounds good.
Switch positions? aok
Whatever it takes to win. Principles be damned.
What a bunch of slimeballs.

bookman parrot

October 12th, 2012
9:35 am

Jay “falseness”

Would it not be just as easy for a con vote to be in the wrong precinct as a lib vote. Or are you saying that the only one’s not knowledgeable enough to get it right (or in this case wrong) are libs.
Don’t think so. Nice try though.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

October 12th, 2012
9:36 am

Bro: I think God specifically avoided letting me loose on this Earth prior to the 1960’s because I would not have made it out of that decade alive.

You and me BOTH! I would’ve been swinging right next to you! I’m a black female with a strong opinion and EDUMACATED! (gasp!!) I would NOT have been content to clean someone’s house for 65 cents an hour!

Bro: Two things that I feel strongly about is college football and voting rights.

Same here, (well you can add women’s rights in the sentence for me), if you weren’t a low down, good for nothing, kool aide drinking, tree killing, BAMAer; you and I could’ve been friends. We could’ve been a contender!

Joe — FIREFLY references?!? OMG!! That’s my FAVORITE SciFi series! I like Firefly more than Star Trek; and that’s saying something!

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2012
9:36 am

Well of course Fred didn’t mean any harm. He only meant kindness and love for Steve when he was badgering and bullying him after Steve had twice already apologized.

Yep, our resident “wanna be an ass just for the sake of being an ass” poster would know a thing or two about that.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 12th, 2012
9:36 am

Doom: I see the liberal whining begins early today. As does the effort to protect the Democrat dead voters, multiple voters, and fraudulent voters.

You going to prove your claim because the evidence shows that you may be hit by lightning before you have the type of voter fraud addressed by voter id. And you of course can show us how reducing early voting in SOME areas but not others addresses voter fraud. :lol:

Of course, you could do what you did last night, falsely attribute a claim to another poster and then whine about proving the false statement, and when asked to prove the attribution, cluck and back out the door claiming “victory”. :lol:

DownInAlbany

October 12th, 2012
9:37 am

Can we go back to yesterday’s conversation regarding the unemployment numbers?…and, include the fact that California’s numbers were not included? I wonder what else happened to manipulate the results? hmmm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:38 am

D. DoRight — “Joe — FIREFLY references?!? OMG!! That’s my FAVORITE SciFi series! I like Firefly more than Star Trek; and that’s saying something!”

I’m a huge fan of Joss Whedon. IMO, he hit it out of the park with the “Avengers” this summer.

southpaw

October 12th, 2012
9:39 am

Congrats Brosephus!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 12th, 2012
9:39 am

CONGRATULATIONS BRO!!! What wonderful news!! huzzah and mazel tov!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:40 am

KUTGF — “Of course, you could do what you did last night, falsely attribute a claim to another poster and then whine about proving the false statement, and when asked to prove the attribution, cluck and back out the door claiming “victory”.

Doom up to his old tricks again? He do like him some false claims he do.

Mr. Snarky

October 12th, 2012
9:40 am

“I will admit this though Jay. Obama has a lock on the dead vote!!!”

And Romney/Ryan has been working to secure the brain dead vote…his strategy is working.

Native of Blog

October 12th, 2012
9:41 am

Burp!

Pacification accepted.

Thanks Jay

Thulsa Doom

October 12th, 2012
9:41 am

Despite the fact that he somehow voted its kinda hard to prosecute a dead voter aint it?

But but but there are no dead voters registered. Or non citizens huh?

As many as 53,000 dead people and 182,000 non-U.S. citizens may be registered to vote in Florida, and state officials are reportedly pushing local election supervisors to remove the ineligible voters as the critical 2012 elections near.

State officials recently sent supervisors a list of more than 2,600 registered voters who, though legal Floridians, are ineligible to vote, The Associated Press reported. But that number pales in comparison to the possibly 182,000 non-U.S. citizens that officials are asking the state’s 67 county election offices to investigate and, in confirmed cases, remove from voter rolls.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76443.html#ixzz295l8BILu

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 12th, 2012
9:41 am

JAY,

I think this is an issue although have no idea how many voters on both sides get screwed in this fashion..at least it provides a solid excuse if BO loses…he’s got a much, much bigger problem IMO with turnout…he needs to get as busy as that wingnut Ralph Reid…

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:41 am

USinUK — “CONGRATULATIONS BRO!!! What wonderful news!! huzzah and mazel tov!!!”

ZOMG GRATZ!

Is it a brosephus junior or a brosephette? :D

Owait, maybe that’s what the ultrasound’s for. :eek:

ragnar danneskjold

October 12th, 2012
9:41 am

Seems like the problem could be solved if they simply required people to produce a state-issued photo id.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:43 am

Doom — “But but but there are no dead voters registered. Or non citizens huh?”

I don’t care if Mickey Mouse is registered, so long as he’s not allowed to vote.

Thulsa Doom

October 12th, 2012
9:43 am

Only keep up could possibly sit there with a straight face and say that the Dems didn’t control Congress in Obama’s first 2 years. And then try and back up that nonsense with a link from that failure of a Dem governor Jennifer Granholm. Hilarious.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

October 12th, 2012
9:43 am

Doom – I have decided to NOT start any type of communication with you. I’m ashamed to admit that its because it IS personal.

There’s something about you that trips my lioness defending her cub, militant anti-stooopidity trigger. I have no idea why; but even when you are trying very hard to be kind, or as kind as you can be considering the unfortunate circumstances of your birth, I have an overwhelming urge to kick you.

Well, since I’m being honest, not just kick you. To b**tch slap you silly, snatch you bald, and throw your bleeding body in a shark tank.

It’s not a pretty picture.

So in the interest of civility, and a mutual like for College Football; its best that I just NOT answer any of your posts.

Its not YOU its ME.

moonbat betty

October 12th, 2012
9:44 am

Yep, if Obama doesn’t win, just cry “FOUL!”

If you think the 2000 election was unbearable, I’m afraid we ain’t seen nothin’ yet (if Romney wins by a small margin).

Thulsa Doom

October 12th, 2012
9:45 am

“Doom up to his old tricks again?”

Sez the tap dance and semantics games king.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 12th, 2012
9:45 am

THULSA,

Great point…ergo, no one can really prove which side is benefitting the most..DEMS with non-citizens or GOP with picking nits…

This crap is as old as…well voting…

moonbat betty

October 12th, 2012
9:46 am

Wow! The libs sure are angry today.

Did Biden not club the baby seal hard enough last night? lol

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 12th, 2012
9:46 am

Getting back to the topic I don’t see how you can throw votes out because you were steered to the wrong precinct. I wonder why there was so many mistakes in the precincts?

I think this is a separate issue from Voter ID’s though.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:46 am

R. Danneskjold — “required people to produce a state-issued photo id.”

They’re not good enough to prove citizenship, so why should they be good enough for voting?

Seriously, most states have a problem with their IDs being forgeable. We need something more secure than that if we’re going to secure the integrity of our electoral system.

And for the record, I don’t have a problem with voter IDs. I just have a problem with the halfazzed way the GOP is going about it in most states.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 12th, 2012
9:46 am

Doom has a grasp of the obvious? He wants to prosecute dead people?

1st — voter registration does not translate to actual in person voter fraud
2nd — you dont prosecute the “dead” you prosecute the live imposter, but that should have been obvious.
3d — so far, most of the overblown claims of voter registration rolls being in error have in fact been shown to have been faulty in their methodology and actually wrong in reality.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 12th, 2012
9:46 am

“brosephette”

makes it sound like she’s a back-up singer :-)

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 12th, 2012
9:47 am

DDR,

Thats a classic:-) I have a tendancy to fall into same trap at times…I’m going to endeavor to do the same with those who I feel the same about but I submit that not telling them, will result in a bigger rise!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:47 am

Enter your comments here

bman

October 12th, 2012
9:47 am

“The same motivation drives the effort to throw out thousands of ballots cast in the wrong precinct; that problem pops up far more often in urban settings, where precincts are much smaller and lines more confusing, than in suburban and rural areas dominated by Republicans”

Shouldn’t some blame go to those who either can’t, or won’t fix this? If something as simple as a “line” is confusing, there’s something wrong.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 12th, 2012
9:48 am

JHM, note that Doom would rather attack you than to prove his false attribution or apologize. But its all part of his shtick.

Jay

October 12th, 2012
9:48 am

Thulsa, that story was published back in May. Since then, the “list” that you cite has been exposed as totally bogus, and the state effort has been abandoned once local officials — many of them Republican — refused to participate any longer.

In addition, if you’ve got an alleged list of 50,000 dead voters, it should be very very easy to compare that list against the list of those who actually voted. It’s pretty simple, right? You would then have a very good idea of just how serious the problem really is.

Yet you never see that kind of simple analysis done. Why? Because while the GOP loves to imply there’s a problem, they know there isn’t one.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:48 am

Doom — “Sez the tap dance and semantics games king.”

They see me postin

They hatin

:D

stands for decibels

October 12th, 2012
9:48 am

I’m afraid we ain’t seen nothin’ yet (if Romney wins by a small margin).

Funny you should mention…

Probably shouldn’t admit this, but you have no idea how hard I work to suppress the desire for 2012 to be like 2000 or 2004 in reverse, where it’s down to one state, where the voting seems a little fishy (at best) but the GOP is told they just have to suck it up and accept the loss.

[I mean, it’d be really cool if they won the popular vote and lost the EVs, AND some brother of Obama’s happened to be governor of that critical swing state, but that’s asking a bit much.]

And I know wishing for such a thing is wrong on many levels (not the least of which is how it’d bode poorly for Democratic legislative-branch prospects), but man… I’d really like to see how those GOP partisans would cope.

I’d think, not very well, but only time would tell.

Thulsa Doom

October 12th, 2012
9:48 am

Its always funny when someone posts “So in the interest of civility” right after posting

“considering the unfortunate circumstances of your birth, I have an overwhelming urge to kick you.”

“Well, since I’m being honest, not just kick you. To b**tch slap you silly, snatch you bald, and throw your bleeding body in a shark tank.”

Nice. So in the interest of civility…

Fedup

October 12th, 2012
9:49 am

Don’t you folks know rich people lie a lot. Look at Jack Welch. Most of them will lie about anything and make the stupid smucks believe it. Case and point Limburger and his audience.

Bobby

October 12th, 2012
9:49 am

If they don’t know where to vote, then they are too stupid to vote…..typical liberal Bs, just go to grave and get some more names….that’s the democrat way….

mm

October 12th, 2012
9:49 am

Just like their hero Ryan last night, the cons can’t open their mouths without a lie jumping out.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 12th, 2012
9:50 am

“Yet you never see that kind of simple analysis done. Why? Because while the GOP loves to imply there’s a problem, they know there isn’t one.”

word.

stands for decibels

October 12th, 2012
9:50 am

makes it sound like she’s a back-up singer

Well, it’s a lot better than Angry Black Daughter II: Electric Boogaloo.

(it’s a boy, though, innit? Pretty sure we know this already…)

Jay

October 12th, 2012
9:50 am

“Seems like the problem could be solved if they simply required people to produce a state-issued photo id.

While expanding GOP-friendly voting by mail, which requires no ID whatsoever.

moonbat betty

October 12th, 2012
9:51 am

sfd: “I’d really like to see how those GOP partisans would cope. ”

Much better than the left – there would be no violence.

Thulsa Doom

October 12th, 2012
9:52 am

“Yet you never see that kind of simple analysis done. Why? Because while the GOP loves to imply there’s a problem, they know there isn’t one.”

So are you saying with certainty that dead voters, multiple voters, and illegal voters have never voted? In any election?

As for the nonsense that Brocephus presented about how many cases have been prosecuted its extremely difficult to catch voter fraud in the act.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 12th, 2012
9:52 am

FEDUP,

Rich folks lie alot? I’d like to see some backup to this claim…Does Biden and Obama qualify in your schedule of rich folks or are they pure a snow?

Jm

October 12th, 2012
9:53 am

Jay

Um, I think there’s a word randomly hanging below your name

“advantage”

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:53 am

M. Betty — “Much better than the left – there would be no violence.”

Given what I see on conservative blogs, I seriously doubt your assertion.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 12th, 2012
9:54 am

JAY,

How many “supressed” citizen voters do you suppose exists? Is this suppression completely limited to GOP evil?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 12th, 2012
9:54 am

“While expanding GOP-friendly voting by mail, which requires no ID whatsoever.”

well, as we all saw in the Franken / Coleman campaign, there were NO cases of voter fraud in the absentee ballots :roll:

Mr. Snarky

October 12th, 2012
9:54 am

It boggles the mind how full of crap the cons defending this violation of democracy are. It’s like they don’t believe in democracy, really. Sad.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 12th, 2012
9:54 am

Doom — “So are you saying with certainty that dead voters, multiple voters, and illegal voters have never voted? In any election?”

He’s saying with certainty that the problem is a LOT less than you think it is.

And that the GOP pays no attention whatsoever to the gaping security holes in the vote-by-mail and absentee voting systems.

Thulsa Doom

October 12th, 2012
9:55 am

“Don’t you folks know rich people lie a lot.”

“Most of them will lie about anything and make the stupid smucks believe it.”

Fedup,

Kindly present some factual evidence to support your claim.

curious

October 12th, 2012
9:55 am

Joseph
October 12th, 2012
9:31 am
“I think the much bigger story should be the Obama regime disenfranchising the men and women in the military”

How has Obama disenfranchised military voters?

What makes these Voter ID laws so fishy is they all seem to have been pushed through at the last minute in the obvious hope they couldn’t be stopped before the election.

Jm

October 12th, 2012
9:56 am

Shouldn’t we all just have to show up in person with a voter ID?

Seems simple enough…..

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 12th, 2012
9:56 am

Thulsa,

I’m still not convinced that we catch even a remote number of illegal votes…as I’ve asked before (if someone proved me wrong before, please advise) I guess police catch all speeders???

Simply because we have identified only a few actual cases of voter fraud doesn’t mean we have the controls in place to identify all of them..

Jay

October 12th, 2012
9:57 am

Stevie Ray, I don’t know. I do know that as political professionals in both parties will tell you, Dems do better in high-turnout elections while the GOP does better in low-turnout elections. So as a rule, it is to the GOP’s advantage to keep turnout low.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 12th, 2012
9:58 am

Pretty shameful.

In New Mexico they uncovered a tape of a trainer who trains poll workers instructing her trainees on illegal ways to challenge voters.

stands for decibels

October 12th, 2012
9:58 am

Much better than the left – there would be no violence.

How do you know this? We’ve had crazed right-wingers go violent in the past (killing doctors, and killing members of a liberal church in Tennesee), no reason to imagine that can’t continue if they’re wound up enough over a voting outrage.

(and if by “violence” from the past by the *left* in reaction to an election itself, and if you mean that poor ol’ Team GWB had to dodge a few eggs to his limo? frankly I’d say they got off pretty damn light. But maybe you’re thinking of something else.)

stands for decibels

October 12th, 2012
9:59 am

Shouldn’t we all just have to show up in person with a voter ID?

Shouldn’t we have mandatory death penalty for faux-naifs on the Internets?

BRW

October 12th, 2012
9:59 am

M. Betty — “Much better than the left – there would be no violence.”

No violence, except they would demand their state just leave the Union.
And fight a war to do it……

Thulsa Doom

October 12th, 2012
9:59 am

“He’s saying with certainty that the problem is a LOT less than you think it is.”

Joe Mama,

You mind reading again Joe mama? I never said its a huge problem and I don’t believe it is. In my view its a minor problem but its a problem that can make a difference in a very close, very tight election.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 12th, 2012
9:59 am

SNARKY,

Those evil cons…they are shunning democracy with their evil ways…we should just eliminate the entire GOP party…those silly checks, balances and debate are worthless tools anyhow..we should just let President Trillions make all the decisions on our behalf…let’s do it!

Darwin

October 12th, 2012
9:59 am

So the government brain washes young men and women to go off to some far land and fight and die for freedom and democracy. While here at home a major political party leverages their power in every way possible to eliminate their opposition’s votes. One would be better off just to stay here in the U.S. and fight a real cause for democracy and freedom.

independent thinker

October 12th, 2012
9:59 am

Thank you Paul Ryan for answering how your Catholic faith influences political decisons on abortion. That is more than you will ever get out of Bishop Romney who has a religious history that makes him unsuitable to be president . Anybody who researched Mormon beliefs and Roney’s lifelong ambition to be president knows that just like Ryan his theology will dictate his actions:

“”"”"”"”"Called a “militant millennial movement” by renowned Mormon historian David L. Bigler, Mormonism’s founding theology was based upon a literal takeover of the U.S. government. In light of the theology and divine prophecies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, unamended by the LDS hierarchy, it would seem that the office of the American presidency is the ultimate ecclesiastical position to which a Mormon leader might aspire. So it is not the LDS cosmology that is relevant to Romney’s candidacy, but whether devout 21stcentury Mormons like Romney believe that the American presidency is also a theological position.

Since his first campaign in 2008, Romney has attempted to keep debate about his religion out of the political discourse. The issue is not whether there is a religious test for political office; the Constitution prohibits it. Instead, the question is whether, past all of the flip-flops on virtually every policy, he has an underlying religious conception of the presidency and the American government. At the recent GOP presidential debate in Florida, Romney professed that the Declaration of Independence is a theological document, not specific to the rebellious 13 colonies, but establishing a covenant “between God and man.” Which would suggest that Mitt Romney views the American presidency as a theological office.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”

From Sally Denton who is the author most recently of “American Massacre” and is currently working on “Betrayal at the Border: Profit, Death, and the American Dream.”
Notice same religious comments Romney made at Colorado debate with Obama.

At least Joe Biden made it clear his religious beliefs do not dictate policy decisions as to women
To the cons the only issue is a sick belief that Obama is a practicing Muslim. They could care less about a religious takeover of our government.