Joe Biden, one helluva happy warrior
I’m sorry I missed this yesterday, but as Ed Kilgore points out, it’s one of those rare bits of political prediction that reads even better after the event. You might say it’s like day-old jambalaya in that regard.
From Charles P. Pierce at Esquire, anticipating Joe Biden’s debate performance:
“Joe Biden is not riven with self-doubt. Joe Biden is not exhausted by the hurly-burly of politics. Joe Biden is not burdened by the weight of events and laid low by the constant battle against know-nothing obstructionism. Joe Biden is not going to take the stage tonight and find himself wishing he were anywhere else. I mean, god be good to him, as my gran’ used to say, but Joe Biden actually likes all these silly performance pieces in which we insist he be engaged in order to stay vice-president. He revels in them. He would do ten of them a day, if he could. When I consider Joe Biden, and I look at the enthusiasm with which he throws himself into the various cataracts and torrents of hogwash that constitute our politics these days, I find myself looking at him the way I look at people who sky-dive or drive in demolition derbies. I have no idea why they do what they do, and I have absolutely no intention of doing it myself, ever, but, goddamn, do those people look like they’re having fun.
So tonight, when Biden takes the stage to debate Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny-starver from the state of Wisconsin, it is very unlikely that the debate will hinge on whether either man really wants to be there. Biden eats these kinds of things on toast, and Ryan is as ambitious as Satan.”
All I can say is … Yup.
One further point, though. A lot of Democrats were heartened by Biden’s performance last night and eager to see President Obama equally engaged and passionate in the second presidential debate, coming next week.
Well, be careful what you wish for.
Last night, Joe Biden was just being Joe Biden. He pulled it off because like him or hate him, that’s who he truly is. On the other hand, Obama trying to pull a Joe Biden would be disastrous. A performance like that just isn’t in Obama’s nature, and he has to find his own way of reasserting himself. The second debate will be almost as important to Obama as the first debate was to Romney.
– Jay Bookman
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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:10 pm
There is no evidence to suggest the Afghan’s are interested in another prolonged fight to keep out the Taliban…I see nothing that suggests they will return to the power they enjoyed prior to our involvement….which I think was a mistake in the first place…retroactively speaking anyhow..
Iraqq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Egypt etecetera will ultimately turn against because the battle for control will be won by the (new) bad guys…
I wish we’d pull them all out today and save our money and lives..but since that is not the case, leaving without our objective met sends another weak signal from our excessively weak admin…
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
2:10 pm
Granny, go take your meds. You’re talking out of your ars again. You see what you want to see.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 12th, 2012
2:11 pm
scott: I believe it was to have an open debate in front of everybody on CSPAN blah blah blah and create a healthcare reform bill that cost less than a trillion dollars. What did we get? A closed door meeting that rammed through legislation that most people in the country do not want.
Why are you trying to rewrite history? Or, just flat out lie, one or the other. A quick “google” put an end to your lie very fast:
The meetings were held in public and broadcast by C-SPAN and can be seen on the C-SPAN web site[147] or at the Committee’s own web site. (^ [1] Senate Finance Committee Hearings for the 111th Congress recorded by C-SPAN
^ “Senate Finance Committee hearings for 111th Congress”. Finance.senate.gov. Retrieved April 1, 2012.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Legislative_history
Fedup
October 12th, 2012
2:11 pm
Math skill in USA is falling behind some really small third world contries. Guess what. Look at Ryan and his conservative kinds. They talk a lot about math but never get into details and see a lot of these idiots in this blog.
Halftrack
October 12th, 2012
2:11 pm
Would you really want this clown “Biden” to be your President? He laughed, smirked, and grimaced his way through the debate without any serious consideration at all. What is so funny about Iraq, Dead Border Patrolmen, A dead Ambassador and 716 million to be taken out of Medicare to pay for Obummercare? Our older generation is very much in peril. Obummer and Biden have no plans or empathy for anyone. If they had read the bills that they passed they would know what is in them. All Americans can expect some kind of difficulties if Obummer and associates are returned to office.
RF
October 12th, 2012
2:11 pm
I heard a bit of Palin’s commentary right after the debate (couldn’t listen to much and keep the nachos down) and even she gave the debate to Biden. She was probably thinking how glad she was he went easy on her.
curious
October 12th, 2012
2:12 pm
We’ll still have residual forces in Afghanistan after 2014, just not combat troops. the Afghan government will be responsible for security as in Iraq security is by the Iraqis
Unfortunately our continued presence with combat troops until the Afghans are trained would require a century or two. After all that country is 18th century at best.
We need to get out totally.
Brosephus™
October 12th, 2012
2:12 pm
Most really poor have Ac/heat, cable Tv, cell phones, and emergency rooms for any pain. No, not perfect….But trying to ” even the playing field” by taxing the hell out of good people who have done all the right things so someone ( not physically challenged or mental types) so someone young and healthy screams ” where’s my S___” is not a good plan.
Hyperbole doesn’t look good on you bro. It really doesn’t. I hope you don’t plan to set fire to that strawman plan of yours. With the current state of the drought, you’re gonna do something to Georgia that will make William T. Sherman cry.
deegee
October 12th, 2012
2:13 pm
I watched the debate. Joe Biden spoke sincerely from his heart. Joe Biden knew what he was talking about. Paul Ryan gave a series of short stump speeches.
Ryan’s answer to the last question about what he would tell a serviceman about the tone of the campaign rhetoric was astonishing. The first sentence was something about “Thank you for your service.” He never mentioned the serviceman again. He just kept spewing the anti-Obama vitriol that he has been spewing for months. I suppose that what we can infer from Ryan’s answer is that he is darned proud of the tone of the campaign, and to expect the same if his ticket is elected.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
2:13 pm
Last year, you guys made fun of Sarah Palin. If something happened to Pres Obama, with VP Biden next in line, we would be in deep doodoo!!
Tinkerella
October 12th, 2012
2:14 pm
guys, guys! Scott has access to CIA info. that we don’t….oh yeah…never mind it’s just the Fox News network
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:14 pm
BRO,
I submit that you will be wildly disappointed…it was horrid, boring and predictable with poor moderation…not pushing the candidates hard to actually answer the questions asked versus answering the questions they wanted to be asked..
As mentioned, the LIBS are like Pat Dye…a tie is a win…getting giddy over this outcome shows the deperation they currently enjoy…
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
2:14 pm
“Last year, you guys made fun of Sarah Palin.”
Yeah b/c she’s an idiot. Plain and simple. Period. End of story.
Brosephus™
October 12th, 2012
2:14 pm
Fly-On-The-Wall
That’s an example of “It’s OK If You Are Republican” logic. Notice how Obama’s called all kinds of names, yet the people in Congress who are actually responsible for this clusterf**k get off scott free?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 12th, 2012
2:15 pm
Biden is a typical liberal Democrat:
BOORISH, ABRASIVE, RUDE, INCONSIDERATE AND HE BELIEVES THAT VOLUME TRUMPS TRUTH.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
2:16 pm
deegee………………Biden spoke from the heart…….Go back to your cell dude, I think they have finished cleaning the padding…….
They BOTH suck
October 12th, 2012
2:17 pm
Stevie
Is it the “tie” that bothers you or the fact that many on the right stated Ryan would mop up Biden and that didn’t occur?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 12th, 2012
2:17 pm
Last year, you guys made fun of Sarah Palin.
Last year?
What was so special about last year?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
2:18 pm
VOLUME TRUMPS TRUTH
Well by using all caps, I guess you are a subscriber Senior Digits…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:18 pm
One viewers take I find humorous..
Biden’s doddering old uncle routine — you could almost smell Aqua Velva through the television screen — was no doubt meant to rattle the less experienced debater, but it became a sideshow in itself. Maybe that was done on purpose, too.
Rep. Paul Ryan is a bright guy, but I can’t remember a word he said because of that split screen. Ryan could have explained how to divide the atom, but I, and millions of other Americans, couldn’t stop watching Biden’s “SNL” act. He was like the teenager hamming it up in the background of a live television shot.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
2:18 pm
0311 — “Biden is a typical liberal Democrat: BOORISH, ABRASIVE, RUDE, INCONSIDERATE AND HE BELIEVES THAT VOLUME TRUMPS TRUTH.”
OutSTANDING.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 12th, 2012
2:20 pm
“When you’re working with Army and Marine Corps units, you immediately notice the difference. The Army is pretty tough, but their performance can depend on the individual unit. Some are excellent, filled with hoorah and first-class warriors. A few are absolutely horrible; most are somewhere in between.
In my experience, Marines are gung ho no matter what. They will all fight to the death. Every one of them just wants to get out there and kill. They are bad-ass, hard-charging mothers.”
U.S. Navy SEAL Chris Kyle
“American Sniper”
(The Autobiography of the Most Letal Sniper in U.S. Military History)
deegee
October 12th, 2012
2:20 pm
Wasn’t it last year that we got to make fun of Sarah Palin while her daughter was Dancing with the Stars?
Mr. Snarky
October 12th, 2012
2:20 pm
“The WH has to throw someone under the bus though, waiting to find out who.”
Yup. Likely someone will be fired. But it won’t be Hilary.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
2:20 pm
The power in incumbency and all the success you would think Obama would be pulling away……..
guy
October 12th, 2012
2:21 pm
Biden is a clown and he thinks he has to say something which most of the time means zero.He’s a joke serving under the real joker! The real joke has been put on the American people the last four years.
They BOTH suck
October 12th, 2012
2:21 pm
Stevie
Even some on the right made fun of Palin. Don’t just blame the left.
She was so effective that she isn’t out doing much campaigning for some odd reason. Not sure if you noticed that or not.
JaynE
October 12th, 2012
2:21 pm
I am a democrat and I was embarrassed by the performance of Vice President Biden in the debate last night. I thought his constant laughing, snickering, jeering, eye-rolling, head-shaking and general behavior was rude, inappropriate, unattractive, juvenile and un-vice presidential. He looked like a deranged bully. This morning NPR called it “hyperactive” behavior. He really crossed the line. I wanted to smack him for making my party look so idiotic and frankly, desperate.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
2:21 pm
4 years ago……A good speech a no record……..today…….a record and a good speech……big difference.
Mick
October 12th, 2012
2:21 pm
**BOORISH, ABRASIVE, RUDE, INCONSIDERATE **
Yes, biden was a bit of all those things but in spite of that – he told the truth. His opponents earn that scorn or at least romney, by tacking hard left one month before decision time. Now that’s the real issue, how can you trust a candidate that will say anything to get your vote???
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
2:22 pm
I just wish when Biden kept interrupting him, that Ryan would have just reached over there and bitch-slapped ole Joe! But I guess you are not supposed to strike the elderly!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:22 pm
THEYBOTHSUCK,
None of it bothers me…actually, I heard much, much more suggestions that Biden would mop the floor than the contrary..
You guys are all celebrating a tie that offered no new BS and left those watching not remotely more educated on the events…Joe Biden….the Aqua Velva Man! At least Ryan didn’t carry on like a defensive and disrespectful baffoon…most people didn’t hear much of what Ryan said because some of us couldn’t take our eyes off of the childish behavior of this emotional twit..
flagboy?
October 12th, 2012
2:22 pm
curious
October 12th, 2012
2:12 pm
We’ll still have residual forces in Afghanistan after 2014, just not combat troops. the Afghan government will be responsible for security as in Iraq security is by the Iraqis
Unfortunately our continued presence with combat troops until the Afghans are trained would require a century or two. After all that country is 18th century at best.
We need to get out totally.
___________________________
I preface this with the fact i’m conservative.
My question is. . . if things go to hell in a handbasket over there after combat troops are gone, and our “residual forces” are being attacked and the Afghans can’t cut it, what then? Do we go back with combat forces or do we just leave entirely? For once, not trying to goad or start an argument . . . I just hear about leaving in 2014 but there must be more to the plan than just leaving.
Classic Conservative
October 12th, 2012
2:22 pm
I hate to be irreverent in such critical times, but have you seen policalhumor.com side by side of Ryan and Eddie Munster? There is an undeniable resemblance.
As of Joe, people underestimate this man because of his large personality. He is one of the brightest guys in Washington. Don’t be fooled. And in a city where stiff and phony is passed off for intelligent and caring, Joe’s genuine character is a breath of fresh air.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
2:22 pm
Senior Digits, it really is childish for you to attack the service of others and disrespectful.
Erwin's cat
October 12th, 2012
2:24 pm
Stevie ray @ 2:13
I expect everything Biden was doing was to rattle Ryan into a meltdown, which never happened…nothing close
His behavior was sophomoric, distracting and completely unprofessional…apparently that deserves the praises you find being sung here. Biden lost on style points alone IMHO
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 12th, 2012
2:24 pm
…a tie is a win…
A tie?
Frankly, I expected much more from Ryan, and he let us down. A disengaged viewer would have seen Joe Biden as the much more forceful, much more knowledgeable candidate. Worse, Biden’s victory gives the Democratic media exactly what they were looking for: an opportunity to declare the beginning of the Obama comeback. This was a needless defeat; I could easily come up with more than 100 individuals who do not hold public office but would have done a better job than Ryan did tonight. It was a big disappointment. Let’s just hope that Biden overplayed his hand and TV viewers thought he was a weirdo. And let’s hope that no one votes based on the VP candidate. Advantage, Democrats.
FURTHER UPDATE: One more thing–for what it is worth, Sarah Palin did a much better job against Joe Biden in 2008 than Paul Ryan did tonight. Bizarre, but true.
When Powerline calls it for Biden and even says Palin made a better showing, then it wasn’t a tie.
They BOTH suck
October 12th, 2012
2:24 pm
Stevie
Who is you? Can you post any celebratory comments I have made or just so willing to paint with a broad brush, as usual, that you can’t help yourself?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
2:25 pm
Mick…..snoop a little outside your normal bubble and fact check ole Joe… Told a whopper or two
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:25 pm
MICK
How do you respond to this assessment of Bidens’s unwielding “truth”?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-vice-presidential-debate/2012/10/12/e900404a-13d0-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_blog.html
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
2:25 pm
Mr Snarky@2:20 – I agree, but if it was to be Hilliary(Head of State Dept), would love to see Bill’s reaction?
Classic Conservative
October 12th, 2012
2:26 pm
“We need to get out totally.” by flagboy.
It is not without strong feelings of guilt and regret for those remaining loyalists Afghans who will suffer by such a decision, but you are correct. We simply cannot ‘fix’ every problem in the world.
Brosephus™
October 12th, 2012
2:27 pm
I submit that you will be wildly disappointed…
I watched part of the end last night before bed, and I was actually quite surprised more by the moderator than anything else. Instead of letting Ryan skate by on their tax/budget issue, she kept digging at him to actually answer the question and show some leadership. I guess you can’t bust somebody’s chops about not being a leader when your grand tax plan requires you to abdicate to Congress, huh?
They BOTH suck
October 12th, 2012
2:27 pm
They both told lies.
Nothing new for debates
deegee
October 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
That was hilarious, liberal. Joe Biden knew what he was talking about and he demonstrated it. Paul Ryan has spent the last 20 years of his life in Washington and he couldn’t offer anything but political talking points. I am sure that there is a reason for that. His record as a Congressman is so extremely right wing that he wouldn’t dare talk about it during a national debate.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
To the hard left, Biden is a hero today. To the other 80% of America, He made an A$$ out of himself.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
Would you really want this clown “Biden” to be your President? He laughed, smirked, and grimaced his way through the debate without any serious consideration at all.
This same comment, almost verbatim, has been spewed on the blog all day. Must’ve been one of Rush’s or Boortz’s talking points today.
Its almost like the conned have mutated into a puppet and RusBortzFauxNews has stuck their hand up the wahooos.
Brosephus™
October 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
BOORISH, ABRASIVE, RUDE, INCONSIDERATE AND HE BELIEVES THAT VOLUME TRUMPS TRUTH.
If I didn’t know any better, Scout, I’d swear you were looking in the mirror right now.
Native Atlantan
October 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
@Halftrack — seriously? You perceived Biden was laughing at the issues? I understood Biden to be laughing and shaking his head at how quickly and easily Ryan lied about the issues and his approach to addressing them. Did we see the same debate?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
Some of you need to just visit Penthouse forum and quit typing here one handed in your fantasies….its just strange.
And likely offensive to some female posters. Have you learned nothing about sexual harassment?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
2:28 pm
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
2:10 pm
Granny, go take your meds. You’re talking out of your ars again. You see what you want to see.
.
.
.
If that were true you’d look like Gollum.
DawgDad
October 12th, 2012
2:29 pm
“Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny-starver from the state of Wisconsin”
Jay’s response? . . . “Yup”.
They BOTH suck
October 12th, 2012
2:30 pm
Bro
Ryan was evasive on the tax plan but says it will work.
That would be like Les Myles saying, we are going to put up 31 against Bama and have 400 yrds of defense. When asked how, he replies with nothing except to say “we will do it”. If that is the game plan, no they will not.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
2:30 pm
Imagine Biden at Prez and Pelosi as Veep……….Scary movie 2.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 12th, 2012
2:30 pm
Then she couldn’t..um…you know.
…Speak. And Palin not speaking is a good thing.
Mr. Snarky
October 12th, 2012
2:30 pm
would love to see Bill’s reaction?
It wouldn’t be pretty, which is why BO would blame Michelle before Hillary.
They BOTH suck
October 12th, 2012
2:31 pm
Bro
Poor ole Scout was posting that same thing downstairs looking for some attention. I was going to say the exact same thing, but let it go.
We switched places for a minute
godless heathen
October 12th, 2012
2:32 pm
Joe Biden is not burdened by the weight of events and laid low by the constant battle against know-nothing obstructionism.
Smirkin’ Joe is not burdened by the weight of sanity.
curious
October 12th, 2012
2:32 pm
flagboy?
Assuming you’re asking me;
Get out totally. Afghanistan has always been gone to hell in a handbasket.
No other nation has been able to control Afghanistan; we’re no different. They’re Islamists and they just don’t like non-Islamists.
moonbat betty
October 12th, 2012
2:32 pm
I did think it was nice when the two families came together on stage after the debate.
Everyone appeared to be sincerely friendly.
Mick
October 12th, 2012
2:32 pm
stevie
Unwielding is your description, I was mainly concerned with the stimulus, social security, and medicare. On the mark with those, but overall, I’ll go with the fact checkers…
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
2:33 pm
Peadog – First, you would have to have your wife’s approval about Sarah?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 12th, 2012
2:33 pm
AP: ‘Laugh, chuckle, grimace, grin, smirk, goofy face’…
drudgey spam
AmericaShrugged
October 12th, 2012
2:34 pm
zombie-eyed granny-starver? Class act this Charles Pierce.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:34 pm
THEYBOTHSUCK,
Fogive me if I painted you in the same light as the giddy liberals…my bad that was wrong..
KAMCHAK
There are several sources of guesses as to who won…strictly partisan as I’ve seen although I’m not sure about CNN…you may want to check it..
One says 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 undecided…one says ryan 48% to 44% Ryan using likely voters yet also suggesting that of undecideds, Biden won 50% to Ryans 31%…
No knockout punches…a draw…more importantly for you, Biden looked stupid but didn’t say anything completely stupid..
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
2:34 pm
I’m shocked, not one comment about Big Bird? Well, we’ve always got Jay Bird Bookman!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:36 pm
Godless,
Your latest comment about “burden carrying” is a classic.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
2:36 pm
One awkward moment on stage after the debate when one of Ryan’s little kids pulled on his suit tail and pointed at Joe and said ” Daddy, he smells like Grandpa.”….
Classic Conservative
October 12th, 2012
2:37 pm
On VP selections alone, Obama shows substantially more discretion and intelligence than his opponent.
Few understand the good and bad of D.C. better than Biden. Certainly not young Ryan, who is either disingenous or delusional about his budget plan.
moonbat betty
October 12th, 2012
2:37 pm
“I’m shocked, not one comment about Big Bird?”
No Big Birds, but Joe’s whole platform was from a 47% comment taken out of context from some random speech.
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
2:37 pm
“First, you would have to have your wife’s approval about Sarah?” – We have an agreement on famous people.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
2:38 pm
First, you would have to have your wife’s approval about Sarah?
A swap? PD gets Sarah, Mrs. PD gets TAAAAAHD?
(mind you, I’d ride a snowmobile into a tree at 70mph before I’d entertain such a thing.)
flagboy?
October 12th, 2012
2:38 pm
curious
October 12th, 2012
2:32 pm
flagboy?
Assuming you’re asking me;
Get out totally. Afghanistan has always been gone to hell in a handbasket.
No other nation has been able to control Afghanistan; we’re no different. They’re Islamists and they just don’t like non-Islamists.
______________________________
Wasn’t necessarily just asking you, but an answer is an answer. While I think all Americans would love to be out of Afghanistan in 2014, I just don’t see it being that easy.
Then, with nothing set up (what being set up is another question), we leave the same power vacuum in the area that was there when the Soviets left, which created the war lord regime that brought up Bin Laden.
I don’t know. . . i don’t think either party has a real answer for Afghanistan (imagine).
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 12th, 2012
2:38 pm
I’m not sure about CNN…you may want to check it..
Posted as drudgey spam several times last night.
Powerline is partisan for conservatives.
Again — when even powerline calls it for Biden and goes so far as to say that Palin outperformed Ryan against the same opponent — it wasn’t a tie.
Jay
October 12th, 2012
2:38 pm
Really?
The milf and socks stuff regarding Palin — or anyone else — is out of line here.
They BOTH suck
October 12th, 2012
2:39 pm
Stevie
No problem. I have no problem calling out bloggers and have had my share of “negative” exchanges, however I do attempt not to broad brush any one group. Not perfect, but do make the attempt. As for the individual blogger, I will will go after them for bs……….. no doubt
flagboy?
October 12th, 2012
2:39 pm
and, as usual, reading the blogs here at AJC gives me the impression that I’d rather not be invited to any dinner party that most of the people here frequent.
adios.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:40 pm
MICK,
You know what is completely absurd? Is how we are all arguing about two politicians relative to who lies the most and who told more of the truth in between lies…IMO as mentioned ad nausea, it doesn’t matter who wins…nothing will change until DC is rid of private money and 2 years campaigns…until our interests are primary to campaign and lobby cash, nothing will change..
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 12th, 2012
2:40 pm
flagboy? – Why should we stay in Afghanistan? What is the benefit to the American people? What is the cost, in dollars AND lives? Why should we continue to fight for a people whom we don’t know will/won’t fight for themselves? When is it time to make a country stand up on their own two feet? Do you wish for Afghanistan to become our 51st state or our 10th territory? When is enough enough?
===================
Scout: n my experience, Marines are gung ho no matter what. They will all fight to the death. Every one of them just wants to get out there and kill. They are bad-ass, hard-charging mothers.”
I KNEW it!! SOME marines are psychopaths!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:41 pm
JAY,
About time you stepped in…for a minute, I had you confused with Jim Leher:-)
NA
October 12th, 2012
2:41 pm
Biden was a pompous @$$ on stage, laughing like an idiot for no reason. I guess he found himself funny when talking about serious matters. His demeanor should scare everyone to death that he is in the position he is in. He was rude, he would ask questions and then interrupt as Ryan tried to talk, The moderator who spent her time helping Biden until he turned on her, was incapable of being a moderator. The first question asked about Libya and 8 seconds into his answer he forgot the question and started talking about Iran and Afganastan,,,,,, I know he probably did not forget, he just knew he could not answer the question truthfully without looking bad. this entire adminstration is worthless and it showed last night even though many here thought it went great. Bet you hope he is not protecting you if you were in Libya, bet you hope you are never successful or they will attack you.
Disgusting.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 12th, 2012
2:41 pm
hiya betty!
Everyone appeared to be sincerely friendly.
Yeah, they’re better politicians than I thought………..
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
2:43 pm
for a minute, I had you confused with Jim Leher:
[golf clap]
They BOTH suck
October 12th, 2012
2:43 pm
Stevie
I could be wrong but I thought CNN’s poll was all viewers.
CBS was undecided but likely voters.
Either way I am not sure it changes much. Obama needs to right the ship on Tuesday or he might be in trouble, regardless of how the pollsters show last night’s debate. I still think the race is Obama’s to lose, however it is tightening up as this election heads down the final stretch
RF
October 12th, 2012
2:43 pm
“No Big Birds, but Joe’s whole platform was from a 47% comment taken out of context from some random speech.”
Oh that speech wasn’t random, that’s for sure. It was made in the heat of campaign season to a very specific group of supporters. Knowing Mitt, he was probably just saying what he knew they wanted to hear. But you have to admit he did it very convincingly. This was an audience of like-minded folks Romney is used to being around. And it was, as he admitted, just plain wrong. But he said it, and it will keep on churning. Even Ryan gave a number of 30% in one of his speeches. If you put it out there as a politician, you have to figure somebody, somewhere has a camera, or at least a notepad and you WILL have to answer for it sooner or later.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:43 pm
JAY,
BTW, if you really want to throw the musical tone in a completely different direction, suggest you go to the video tape of Tom Jones singing either Princes’ KISS or Shes a Lady…that guy will always be cool…of course Zeppelin or for local talent Dixie Dregs always welcome…just saying
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
2:44 pm
0311 — In my experience, Marines are gung ho no matter what. They will all fight to the death. Every one of them just wants to get out there and kill. They are bad-ass, hard-charging mothers.
Even the cooks and administrative clerks.
The Navy calls it a HELO.
The Army calls it a CHOPPER.
The Air Force calls it a ROTARY-WING AIRCRAFT.
The Marines call it a (POINTS, GRUNTS EXCITEDLY)
moonbat betty
October 12th, 2012
2:44 pm
This VP debate will have no bearing on the election.
All Biden had to do was act like an ass but not say something totally off the wall (although he really wanted to and caught himself just in time) and and he was good to go.
They BOTH suck
October 12th, 2012
2:45 pm
Stevie
Dixie Dregs. That was a very good band for sure
curious
October 12th, 2012
2:45 pm
flagboy?
You’re right. It won’t easy.
No politican wants to be accused of “cutting and running”
No military leader wants to be one suggesting it’s time to declare victory and leave when everybody knows that’s a bunch of hooey.
like Colin Powell said about the China Shop Rule: You break it; you own it.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
2:45 pm
Mr Snarky – Good post about Michelle, I’m afraid you may be right. Why not blame Eric Holder and get it over? Everyone would like to see him go, then Obama would win easily! He might even get my vote?
moonbat betty
October 12th, 2012
2:47 pm
“Yeah, they’re better politicians than I thought”
Hiya, Debbie, or maybe just good actors?
Dawg '88
October 12th, 2012
2:47 pm
Joe Biden, one helluva LIAR.
He lied. And he did it on purpose.
Biden said Catholic charities would not have to pay for contraception and other morally objectionable services.
The lie was so bad, that the U.S. Bishops issued a public statement today calling out Biden for his “inaccurate statement of fact.”
And we know why Biden lied. His mission was to deceive Catholic voters.
He is a deceitful, blowhard and rude/disrespectful individual. Congratulations Joe….you showed us what being an liberal really looks like. Sad….The Culture of Death and Immorality lives on and aligns itself with someone like Biden/Obama.
Obama and Biden…dismembering babies is their top priority. The Abortion Regime.
Classic Conservative
October 12th, 2012
2:47 pm
na-’laughing like an idiot for no reason’
Biden is an old school politician. This is not a bad thing. His laughing was not because he found things funny, it was because he was incredulous at the ease with which Ryan twisted the truth. Also, much has been made of his interruptions when Ryan was talking. I took it that Ryan was going over his limit and BIden was not goint to “by gosh” let that happen. Strength.
My suspicions were confirmed when CNN reported that there was less than a minute separating the total time each man spoke. Biden was just protecting his time. Gotta love the fight in him.
alex
October 12th, 2012
2:48 pm
@jay, gotta love the:” out of line “;do you take yourself or any of your bloggers(including me, I’m just bored) seriously . Where’s the godzilla gal-laying flowers at willie B.’s grave,that is SOOOO out of line….
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
2:51 pm
Jay – I’ll not mention Sarah anymore, looks like it fires up the libs to say unconventional things that they would not say to other women!
moonbat betty
October 12th, 2012
2:51 pm
RF,
That fine, perhaps Romney can parrot Obama’s “poor white folks cling to the bibles and guns” comment over and over.
Just comes off as weak IMO.
Mr. Snarky
October 12th, 2012
2:52 pm
Regarding the Palin comments…uninteresting and inappropriate…some people need to grow up!
As a father of two daughters, I believe such comments degrade all women and benefit no one.
Erwin's cat
October 12th, 2012
2:52 pm
Biden was just protecting his time.
whatever gets ya through the night
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
2:53 pm
Dawg ‘88 — “Joe Biden, one helluva LIAR. He lied. And he did it on purpose. Biden said Catholic charities would not have to pay for contraception and other morally objectionable services.”
No, he didn’t lie.
He said that they *don’t* have to pay for them. And that’s true. Right now, today, they don’t.
I think you and the Catholic bishops should go read the transcript.