Joe Biden, one helluva happy warrior
I’m sorry I missed this yesterday, but as Ed Kilgore points out, it’s one of those rare bits of political prediction that reads even better after the event. You might say it’s like day-old jambalaya in that regard.
From Charles P. Pierce at Esquire, anticipating Joe Biden’s debate performance:
“Joe Biden is not riven with self-doubt. Joe Biden is not exhausted by the hurly-burly of politics. Joe Biden is not burdened by the weight of events and laid low by the constant battle against know-nothing obstructionism. Joe Biden is not going to take the stage tonight and find himself wishing he were anywhere else. I mean, god be good to him, as my gran’ used to say, but Joe Biden actually likes all these silly performance pieces in which we insist he be engaged in order to stay vice-president. He revels in them. He would do ten of them a day, if he could. When I consider Joe Biden, and I look at the enthusiasm with which he throws himself into the various cataracts and torrents of hogwash that constitute our politics these days, I find myself looking at him the way I look at people who sky-dive or drive in demolition derbies. I have no idea why they do what they do, and I have absolutely no intention of doing it myself, ever, but, goddamn, do those people look like they’re having fun.
So tonight, when Biden takes the stage to debate Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny-starver from the state of Wisconsin, it is very unlikely that the debate will hinge on whether either man really wants to be there. Biden eats these kinds of things on toast, and Ryan is as ambitious as Satan.”
All I can say is … Yup.
One further point, though. A lot of Democrats were heartened by Biden’s performance last night and eager to see President Obama equally engaged and passionate in the second presidential debate, coming next week.
Well, be careful what you wish for.
Last night, Joe Biden was just being Joe Biden. He pulled it off because like him or hate him, that’s who he truly is. On the other hand, Obama trying to pull a Joe Biden would be disastrous. A performance like that just isn’t in Obama’s nature, and he has to find his own way of reasserting himself. The second debate will be almost as important to Obama as the first debate was to Romney.
– Jay Bookman
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Mighty Righty
October 12th, 2012
1:18 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
1:11 pm
Righty — “I am sure many Democrats cringed”
Not me. I cheered as Six-Gun Joe paddled that youngster’s behind and sent him running home crying to Mama.
Joe did you cheer when old Joe smiled and smirked at people being unemployed in this country and at the deaths of our citizens in Libya? Did you cheer at Joe’s lies about Obamacare confiscating 700 billion dollars from medicare? Boy that ole Joe is a fun guy. I hope you are sitting down because the olls almost without exsception said ole Joe got his butt whipped by the youngster.
getalife
October 12th, 2012
1:18 pm
Malarkey sums up the romney campaign.
One big lie and Americans know it.
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
1:18 pm
Whatever makes you sleep well at night, JHM. Stay classy.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
1:18 pm
The Bidens and the Ryans met after the debate and had a good time.
I did get a chuckle when I saw Ryan’s kid slumped in one of the chairs, looking like that might be a good place to get some shut-eye. The campaigning has to get old after awhile for the family, I imagine.
Mr. Snarky
October 12th, 2012
1:20 pm
Biden took Ryan’s supposed strengths and used them against him, calling him on his tax plan and budget.
Obama needs to do the same to Mitt the Salesman.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
1:20 pm
Mick, Ryan doesn’t have to. Obama is still reeling from last week. And to honest, no, the right is not that fired up about Romney , for a host of reasons I won’t go into, But Obama is being graded by the American public the last few weeks…like ALL Presidents have been…..And the stats ain’t there for him. Being black, cool, Left. Likeable, hip is coming in second at the end of the game. As in baseball, it’s the 8th inning, two outs, man on 2nd and 3rd, 2 to 1 ball game…..and the manager just sent Obama to the showers and called in Romney. Just watch.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
1:21 pm
SfD — “no no no. We’re “broke.” remember?”
Huh. And here the Treasury up and sold $13B in 30-year bonds in an open auction just yesterday. Wonder why Ryan didn’t bring that up last night?
Oyeah, bad news for his argument.
getalife
October 12th, 2012
1:22 pm
Stands,
The congressman has a nice family.
Thom
October 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
Unreal how many people just disregard everything Republicans are saying as myth, as a means to deter from the fact that they are DOMINATING these debates. Ignorantly ignoring the myths of the democrats, to only recognize the myths of the republicans, just to somehow make it seem like the democrats are winning these debates in any sort of way. Pathetic, get a hobby, vote for a real president
mbtc
October 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
I watched the debate with a group of beautiful, undecided women, and they all agreed that an experienced old guy beats a young, fast-talking greaser hands down.
RF
October 12th, 2012
1:23 pm
“was reference to the “5-point plan” (with no specifics)”
Remember, “it’s complicated” and they’d rather deal with Congress on the specifics. Last time I checked, we still had a vote in elections for Congress, so we ARE Congress. ‘Splain it US Lucy…
Don't Tread
October 12th, 2012
1:24 pm
“Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny-starver from the state of Wisconsin”
“Ryan is as ambitious as Satan”
Seriously? And you wonder how people got the idea that the MSM might be a left-wing propaganda machine?
Mick
October 12th, 2012
1:26 pm
lib
Still two debates left; the public is fickle in the middle, what to do, what to do? Well, if you are working right now, you’ll usually stick with the incumbent even if it hurts. If you’re unemployed, what have you got to lose going for the new guy? Roughly 90% are currently employed, a high hurdle for romney indeed…
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
RIghty — “Joe did you cheer when old Joe smiled and smirked at people being unemployed in this country and at the deaths of our citizens in Libya?”
I cheered because Ryan and Romney won’t do anything about it and are just using those things to get elected. Romney’s plan won’t create jobs (but it will make the already-rich even richer) and will likely start an unnecessary war with Iran.
I’m glad Joe laughed at Ryan then. Ryan’s an ignoramus and a liar.
“Did you cheer at Joe’s lies about Obamacare confiscating 700 billion dollars from medicare?”
I cheered because Joe exposed Ryan for the liar he is — Obama’s plan SAVES $700B and plows it right back into more medical care for Americans, while Ryan’s plan just cuts the $700B and gives it away to rich people in the form of tax cuts.
It’s true. Read up on it.
“Boy that ole Joe is a fun guy. I hope you are sitting down because the olls almost without exsception said ole Joe got his butt whipped by the youngster.”
Yeah, that’s why Fox, CNN and MSNBC all said otherwise.
RF
October 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
Thom: so what’s their plan? What exactly ARE the “5 points” of the Romney/Ryan plan? What exactly will they do? A month ago it was all far-right Ryan plan economics. Now it’s Mitt the Moderate who just LOVES that “47%” he so derisively described just a short short while ago.
If it weren’t so easy and so obvious to point out the myths, then maybe noone would. If they gave specifics and actually answered questions with more than “well all I can tell you is THEY are doing it wrong now…” then maybe we’d have something to debate other than the lies and missteps and fabrications. Sooooooo……
getalife
October 12th, 2012
1:27 pm
Media can’t help you lie anymore cons.
You know it is over because you can’t cheat.
Why do you have to cheat cons?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 12th, 2012
1:28 pm
Seriously? And you wonder how people got the idea that the MSM might be a left-wing propaganda machine?
Awwwwwwww diddums, does him need someone to explain opinion blog to him?
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
1:28 pm
you wonder how people got the idea that the MSM
the new math: Esquire blogger = Teh Lamestream Media
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
1:28 pm
I was hoping Ryan would say when pressed on specifics that he would of said…” Our plan is to ignore the legislative side of Government and appoint about 30 Czars and just have our way an impose our will without any input from the other party”…………ZERO republican votes on Obama care remember…….got to pass it to see what’s in it.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
1:28 pm
Peadawg — “Whatever makes you sleep well at night, JHM.”
It does. Thanks for the good wishes, son.
“Stay classy.”
Not a problem. Perhaps one day you’ll actually achieve some class yourself, Grasshopper.
curious
October 12th, 2012
1:29 pm
Any possibility of screening posts that contain personal insults? Anyone using insults in their argument usually have no argument.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
1:29 pm
in case anyone needs a transcript:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/us/politics/full-transcript-of-the-vice-presidential-debate.html?pagewanted=all
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
1:30 pm
“son”
Nope, thank goodness.
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Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
1:32 pm
Peadawg — “Nope, thank goodness.”
Thanks for accepting the sobriquet “Grasshopper,” son.
mbtc
October 12th, 2012
1:33 pm
“Any possibility of screening posts that contain personal insults? Anyone using insults in their argument usually have no argument.”
Indeed. From a fortune cookie: “Strong and bitter words indicate a week cause.”
RF
October 12th, 2012
1:34 pm
Here’s an idea: How about the Romney/Ryan folks sit down and come up an actual plan they can present with real numbers and get the speculation over with? I’d love to debate what they actually SAY versus what they don’t.
And that’ll happen the day I win the lottery.
Doggone/GA
October 12th, 2012
1:34 pm
“Any possibility of screening posts that contain personal insults? Anyone using insults in their argument usually have no argument.”
Here’s how it works: It’s Jay’s blog. He sets the rules. He deals with those who violate those rules. What he does NOT do is sit here 24 hours a day monitoring each and every entry in real time.
See a post you don’t like? You are at liberty to scroll past it.
If that’s too blunt, well…that’s what being on a blog is like.
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
1:34 pm
I’ve got no clue what “grasshopper” means (and don’t really care), that’s why I didn’t comment. I’ll file it away with Kamspam’s tries at using “seabiscuit” correctly.
mbtc
October 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
“weak” cause
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
“Any possibility of screening posts that contain personal insults? Anyone using insults in their argument usually have no argument.”
Don’t come on here if you can’t take it.
curious
October 12th, 2012
1:35 pm
Sen McConnell said it all when he said the #1 priority of the Republican party was to defeat Pres Obama.
With that attitude, how much cooperation would you expect? Lead or get out of the way. That’s what the Republican party has done: Got out of the way when given an opportunity to work with Democrats for the good of this Nation.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
1:36 pm
probably my favorite bit of the debate started with Ryan’s Evil Stimulus bit:
They passed a stimulus, the idea that we could borrow $831 billion, spend it on all these special interest groups and that it would work out just fine, that unemployment would never get to 8 percent. It went up above 8 percent for 43 months. They said that right now, if we just pass this stimulus, the economy would grow at 4 percent. It’s growing at 1.3 (percent).
Now, there are all kinds of wonky ways I would’ve gone after that. I could’ve chipped away at the edges, saying that the estimates he’s talking about were from January 2009, before the worst of the economic reports were in. I could’ve gone another way and said “so your approach would be to let most of our state economies collapse in a heap, say ’sorry lads, you’re on your own, can’t help you!’ is that your idea of leadership?”
But what does Biden do?
I love my friend here. I — I’m not allowed to show letters, but go on our website: He sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of Wisconsin? We sent millions of dollars. You know why he said he needed –
MS. RADDATZ: You did ask for stimulus money, correct?
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: Sure he did. By the way — (inaudible) –
REP. RYAN: On two occasions, we — we — we advocated for constituents who were applying for grants.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: (Chuckles.)
REP. RYAN: That’s what we do. We do that for all constituents who are — (inaudible) — for grants.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: I love that. I love that. This is such a bad program, and he writes me a letter saying — writes the Department of Energy a letter saying, the reason we need this stimulus — it will create growth and jobs.
Good stuff.
scott
October 12th, 2012
1:36 pm
So apparently, Obama and Biden weren’t aware of the request for more security. Right…like we really believe it after how many times they have changed their story. Regardless, let’s play that game. It is still their responsibility!!! We should get rid of them not because they were dishonest. They need to go away because they are INCOMPETENT!!! I mean come on. Valerie Jarret has a bigger security detail than the consulate had. We just were involved in war in Libya. The anniversary of 9-11 was coming around. It never occurred to them that perhaps maybe we should beef up security at our embassies, especially the ones in the Middle East. This lack of prep or not even asking the question is negligence. I just cannot believe you Obama supporters think it is perfectly acceptable and are willing to write it off as an innocent mistake. If this was a Republican admin, what would you be saying right now?
ATL Tiger
October 12th, 2012
1:36 pm
To sum up last night’s debate, Proverbs 29:9
“When a wise man debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet.”
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
1:36 pm
Mick….maybe your spouse got laid off. Maybe your kids are home with a 100K education and bagging food at Kroger. Maybe your sister lost help health benefits at her job because the guys policy went up 3,000…… Maybe your house is worth 300,000 and you owe 400,000 ( maybe not Obama’s fault, but not getting better.) Maybe you drive an old gas guzzling truck because you can’t afford a new one and your job is 60 miles one way….and you use to spend 300 on gas…now 600…..Mick, there are many Americans “grading” this man now. The people who follow this stuff are now paying attention and asking questions.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 12th, 2012
1:36 pm
Granny: and I did a little happy dance.
Me too!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
1:37 pm
Peadawg — “I’ve got no clue what “grasshopper” means (and don’t really care), that’s why I didn’t comment. I’ll file it away with Kamspam’s tries at using “seabiscuit” correctly.”
There’s a space for it riiiiiight next to “stay classy,” son.
nobodyyouknow
October 12th, 2012
1:38 pm
As I’ve said before, “one sees what they want to see”.I don’t see any winners or losers in any debate. Most of what politicans say is B.S. no matter the party. Ryan sat there with a smirk, like some smart ass college kid. Biden constantly interuped him and smiled like some old fool. Unless you read all the reports and dig into what happened in the middle east, Who the HELL knows? I’ve voted both parties over the years and what I do know is that this country is in a delima finanically. And its because those idiots in Washington take billions of OUR dollars and put it where THEY want it to go. Folks this country is in trouble. I think we need change. Thats what decides my vote. How in the Hell can they keep writeing checks when theres NO MONEY IN THE BANK. O’Bamas motto is “LEAN FORWARD”. Yea, lean so far forward you pull America right over the cliff.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
1:38 pm
Peadawg — “Don’t come on here if you can’t take it.”
Agreed. Either grow a thicker skin or scroll on past, n00bcake.
RF
October 12th, 2012
1:38 pm
@stands: and if Joe had been polite, he would have followed that with, “here’s your hat, let me walk you to the door. Thanks for stopping by young man.”
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 12th, 2012
1:40 pm
They need to go away because they are INCOMPETENT!!! I mean come on.
THE SMOKING GUN IS THE MUSHROOM CLOUD!!! I mean come on!!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
1:40 pm
Scott: Right…like we really believe it after how many times they have changed their story.
Ummm, more birtherstyle “we know what we’s know”.
Scott: Regardless, let’s play that game. It is still their responsibility!!! We should get rid of them not because they were dishonest. They need to go away because they are INCOMPETENT!!!
So you felt the same way about Bush and Cheney after 9/11?
How many CEOs are incompetent then? Ryan claimed he did not know what was in letters his staff had him sign, so he’s incompetent too then, right? 
Leah Silver
October 12th, 2012
1:40 pm
Ryan has the cold dead eyes of a person who would enjoy putting nursing home patients in the streets if he gets his 1/3 reduction in Medicaid! In addition, most doctors who take Medicaid patients now (usually the people who are severely ill or disabled), would stop taking them if they got even less for their care than they are already getting. Do you think the doctors are going to treat all those people for free? What about cancer patients? Radiation therapy alone (for just one cancer)
can run over $20,000! Where are these poor sick people going to get the money from?
ERs do not provide radiation therapy and chemo!!!!! If Paul Ryan gets cancer, do you really think he is going to have any worries about where and how to obtain and pay for treatment? I despise people who have all the money and comfort they could ever need, yet can’t wait to crush the ill, disabled, and elderly in our society! This is pure evil. The Nuns On The Bus are absolutely right about Ryan and his proposed budget.
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
“As I’ve said before, “one sees what they want to see”.”
That explains far righties and far lefties PERFECTLY.
scott
October 12th, 2012
1:43 pm
All you people asking about the Romney Ryan plan, why weren’t you so willing to see Obama’s healthcare plan last election. What was his plan? I believe it was to have an open debate in front of everybody on CSPAN blah blah blah and create a healthcare reform bill that cost less than a trillion dollars. What did we get? A closed door meeting that rammed through legislation that most people in the country do not want. The bill wasn’t even close to $1 trillion and the number continues to grow by the day. Oh but, we had to pass to see all of the good things in it. Give me a break. What good does it do to give details of a plan when it is only as good as the legislation that will work with you to pass it? That is the problem with you libs. You believed Obama when he gave his details of his plan last election. Why weren’t you as curious about his details back then? Why are you not hammering him on all of his broken promises from the last election?
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
1:43 pm
Like another poster stated earlier this morning, that little Veep-wanna-be looked like an immature jackass at the debate table last night — all that hot air about “saving Medicare”, and Joe looked straight at the camera and said “who do you believe?” — bwaaaa!
RF
October 12th, 2012
1:43 pm
scott: get the rest of the facts. The House refused to pass a bill to increase embassy security, instead insisting on hundreds of millions in cuts. Now, I’m no math whiz, but if you CUT funds, you can’t really INCREASE security, not unless you have a few mall cops out of work with a bad attitude and a desire to carry a real gun.
Also, the Benghazi compound was inadvertently revealed to be a CIA post. So the CIA evidently shared responsibility for security there. Where were they and why didnt’ the explosion of intel supposedly created by all the money poured in post-911 not give them a clue that a group was organizing an attack? There are a lot of failures here, and a lot of folks who need to answer for it whose responsibility it is to know and inform the WH.
Matti
October 12th, 2012
1:44 pm
Mr. Bookman,
WOW! Thanks for sharing that delightful tidbit of colorful commentary. “Zombie-eyed granny starver.” Hahahaha! Very nice.
Common Sense
October 12th, 2012
1:45 pm
The lack of details by Ryan was glaring, the strategy is too be as unspecific about taxes, deficit reduction, etc. as possible. Then hopefully the uninformed will follow what Rush and Hannity tell them to do. For those that think Ryan’s performance was genius, you are in serious need of explanation on government and policy works.
RF
October 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
scott: when you’re momma asks if you broke the cookie jar, and you start yelling “but you didn’t ask what he did…”, you aren’t answering the question and looking a helluva lot more guilty. Again, what actually IS the Romney/Ryan plan? What are the 5 points? Don’t know?
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
1:46 pm
“I think we need change. Thats what decides my vote.”
And you’re willing to go back to those same guys and their policies that killed our economy and put us in this predicament in the first place? My my — how very sad.
philosopher
October 12th, 2012
1:48 pm
Bill Orvis White
October 12th, 2012
12:44 pm
Thank you, Bill. I can always count on you for a good guffaw and once again, you brought some levity to my dreary day. Cough, hiccup, snort, and chortle. Give me a minute to grab a Kleenex and wipe the tears…..
BIden laughed at that little snot-nosed kid because that’s what he earned for trying to fool the American public in front of a man who consistently stands for what he believes in and is unafraid of the consequences of speaking the truth. Ryan spouted talking points over and over while Biden laughed at his foolishness and set him straight on one lie after another(did you notice Ryan’s red ears and spots on his cheeks?). Now that was a fun debate!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
1:48 pm
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
1:41 pm
“As I’ve said before, “one sees what they want to see”.”
That explains far righties and far lefties PERFECTLY.
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.
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It’s YOU to a T, PD.
Add to that your constant I don’t know, never heard of it, I was too young deflections instead of a desire to seek out information and
it’s just exactly you.
You have potential youngling…but you must make a real effeort to find it and use it.
Love, Granny
Sums It All Up
October 12th, 2012
1:49 pm
Both did a good job. Biden is an old hand at this and Ryan held his own with the more experienced debater. Both were predictable. Neither screwed up. If you’re partisan you think your candidate won. If you’re objective, Biden won by a nose. It won’t change the polls, or the outcome of the election.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
1:50 pm
long as I’m sharing, here’s my LEAST favorite Biden moment, although I’m sure it played well:
MS. RADDATZ: Vice President Biden, let me ask you, if it could help solve the problem, why not very slowly raise the Medicare eligibility age by two years, as Congressman Ryan suggests?
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: Look, I was there when we did that with Social Security, in 1983. I was one of eight people sitting in the room that included Tip O’Neill negotiating with President Reagan. We all got together, and everybody said, as long as everybody’s in the deal, everybody’s in the deal, and everybody is making some sacrifice, we can find a way. We made the system solvent to 2033.
We will not, though, be part of any voucher plan eliminating — the voucher says, Mom, when you’re — when you’re 65, go out there, shop for the best insurance you can get; you’re out of Medicare. You can buy back in, if you want, with this voucher, which will not keep pace — will not keep pace with health care costs, because if it did keep pace with health care costs, there would be no savings. That’s why they go the voucher — they — we will be no part of a voucher program or the privatization of Social Security.
And that’s an absolutely pussified response, Mister Vice President. The correct answer is, “we are NOT going to raise the eligibility age, that’s a f-cking stupid thing to even ask. Do you have any idea how expensive it would be for the private market to take on those older Americans? What are you, nuts? Do you know anyone outside of the Village who has to pay for this stuff on their own?
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
1:51 pm
I’m waiting for Obama to throw Hilliary under the bus for the terrorist attack on the 4 Americans, will be interesting to see how Bill Clinton will react. He could probably tell us some very interesting things about the current administration?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 12th, 2012
1:51 pm
Thats what decides my vote. How in the Hell can they keep writeing checks when theres NO MONEY IN THE BANK ,/i>
Most of this countries debt was accumulated during Republican administrations.
Reagan quadrupled it.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
October 12th, 2012
1:51 pm
MR: Did you cheer at Joe’s lies about Obamacare confiscating 700 billion dollars from medicare?
That lie will never die will it? It’s like a fruitcake that was originally sent to someone in 1969 and now, 30+ years later, it winds up at your doorstep via UPS.
The cut Romney spoke of refers to an aspect of the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare.
Obamacare does not literally cut funding from the Medicare program’s budget. Rather, the health care law instituted a number of changes to try to bring down future health care costs in the program.
The spending reductions were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries.
moonbat betty
October 12th, 2012
1:51 pm
Maybe Biden can play the Joker in the next Batman movie?
Mick
October 12th, 2012
1:51 pm
lib
Good points all, but the flip side is what will romney do? Will he be the protector of the upper class and ditch the other 47%? Just because he talks a good game what will he actually do? At least everyone acknowledges the mess this administration walked into and I happen to believe what clinton said, no prior president could have this fixed in four years. The trends are positive while europe and austerity are tanking…
RF
October 12th, 2012
1:52 pm
Clinton just kinda puts it all in perspective. I’d love to see him and Joe in an interview together about the election. If you haven’t seen it, it’s worth the laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkko2DF7TKQ
SPC
October 12th, 2012
1:53 pm
Obama trying to pull off being president has been disastrous.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
1:53 pm
getalife – I guess Obama’s got your vote, right? You are eligible?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 12th, 2012
1:55 pm
Well, Romney’s clearly got the Sloppy, Incoherent Drunkard vote locked up?
http://todayentertainment.today.com/_news/2012/10/12/14392258-lindsay-lohan-not-yet-registered-to-vote-endorses-mitt-romney
Shame she’s not registered; otherwise, she could actually *vote* for him.
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
1:55 pm
Not sure what has your panties in a wad, Granny, but I don’t follow either side blindly (unlike some on here). I actually think for myself.
Mr. Snarky
October 12th, 2012
1:56 pm
“Both did a good job. Biden is an old hand at this and Ryan held his own with the more experienced debater. Both were predictable. Neither screwed up. If you’re partisan you think your candidate won. If you’re objective, Biden won by a nose. It won’t change the polls, or the outcome of the election.”
Agreed.
Biden’s performance was crucial because it restored democratic morale. Ryan did well considering his experience.
scott
October 12th, 2012
1:56 pm
Keep up the good fight. I just do not believe these guys. Obama appointed Stevens as ambassador. A success in Libya would be a focal point of his reelection campaign. You don’t think he had any communication with him? Seriously? It has been noted that Stevens was concerned about the security. He wrote it in his own words. I can picture how this interaction must have gone.
Obama: So Chris, how are things going over there. You know this is an important issue for my foreign policy. Let’s make it quick though. I have 3 other guys waiting for me on the course.
Stevens: Well…..there is a little bit of concern here. I know we have done a decent job fortifying it, but I am a little bit concerned about whether we have enough people to keep it secure. Surely, it was mentioned in the national security briefing.
Obama: National Security…..what? Oh that thing. Man….I haven’t been to one of those in months. I think I stopped going to those things about the same time I stopped going to that boring jobs council. Okay….so everything sounds good. Thanks for letting me know that Libya is okay.
Stevens: Uh……not exactly what I said
Obama: I hear you. I have to get out to the golf course. Bye. Good luck. Make sure I look good for this year’s election.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
1:56 pm
however, Biden did redeem himself almost immediately after:
“These — look, these guys haven’t been big on Medicare from the beginning. Their party’s not been big on Medicare from the beginning.”
if you think that’s an exaggeration, or have no idea what Joe’s even on about, I refer you here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Speaks_Out_Against_Socialized_Medicine
war yer
October 12th, 2012
1:56 pm
OSAMA IS DEAD & GM IS ALIVE!
Jackson(Gen. Andrew) was a dem & Lincoln GOP
Kimberper
October 12th, 2012
1:57 pm
What I saw was this: Joe Biden answering questions with REAL answers. Ryan spewing his well rehearsed taking points.
war yer
October 12th, 2012
1:58 pm
Libya brotherhood is our friend
Mr. Snarky
October 12th, 2012
1:58 pm
“I’m waiting for Obama to throw Hilliary under the bus for the terrorist attack on the 4 Americans”
Don’t hold your breath.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
1:59 pm
I can picture how this interaction must have gone.
Are you on Issa’s staff?
Regnad Kcin
October 12th, 2012
1:59 pm
“I’m waiting for Obama to throw Hilliary under the bus for the terrorist attack on the 4 Americans, will be interesting to see how Bill Clinton will react. He could probably tell us some very interesting things about the current administration?”
I’m just curious…
I’m not one to criticize your fantasies – whatever gets you off – but, you DO know it’s only a fantasy, right?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
1:59 pm
weetamoe
Yes regarding Bob Woodwards book Price of Politics…highly unlikely that many, if any liberals on this forum read that book as they were tipped off that it was critical of the poor, if non-existent leadership skills of President Spineless.. The discussion about BO turning away GOP before inauguration when approached with a proposal that cut bottom two tax rates and eliminated taxes on unemployment benefits his response was “we won, you lost get over it…as president I think i trump you..” This was the first stone casted in the stalemate.
Funny how Liberals including Jay are jumping for joy over a tie…I guess they were most concerned he would say another idiotic thing…his BS about Afghanistan and other emotional diatribes are complete crap..if any liberals are proud of his absurd demeanor …that speaks volumes..
Jumping for joy for a tie or simply because he got thru the 90 minutes without gaff…
Mick
October 12th, 2012
1:59 pm
scott
Please, if you want to be taken seriously, this golf business is way overdone to the point of idiocy, get real…
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
2:00 pm
To all Americans who are hurting….or worse off….the ONLY thing they can count on is an old slogan that might really work this time. Hope and change.
scott
October 12th, 2012
2:00 pm
RF. Okay. Again…incompetence. Why would you put all of your assets at embassies that are not at risk? Why would Valerie Jarret have a bigger security detail than the ambassador in a warzone? Oh wait….here is another idea….how about you take it out of the billions of dollars we GAVE to Libya. Holy crap you guys are foolish.
scott
October 12th, 2012
2:01 pm
Mick, If you want to be taken seriously, stop talking.
Regnad Kcin
October 12th, 2012
2:02 pm
“A success in Libya would be a focal point of his reelection campaign.”
Do what?
flagboy?
October 12th, 2012
2:03 pm
getalife
October 12th, 2012
12:48 pm
What did ryan say about assessing Afghanistan to stay?
It is the same neocon words to stay in Iraq.
The neocons took over mitt’s foreign policy and they are dangerous failures.
_______________________
I’m asking because I honestly don’t know. Does Obama’s timeline for 2014 in Afghanistan leave the option for American forces to still be Afghanistan after 2014 or not? Does that mean ALL American forces will be out of the country in 2014?
Mick
October 12th, 2012
2:03 pm
lib
What’s romneys slogan? Just trust me? No, I want some specifics and by the way, if you want my trust earn it and release those tax returns, unless of course there’s something there you don’t want to be seen..
Funkisha
October 12th, 2012
2:03 pm
Joe Biden certainly provided some entertainment last night. Agree with Jay that he was just being Joe but after awhile the theatrics detracted somewhat.
Biden’s most important comment all evening imho was reiterating the commitment to exit Afghanistan and turn that debacle over to the Afghans in 2014. I heard Ryan say that the U.S. should never go to war unless it’s in our national interest, but ‘national interest’ covers a lot of territory. Hopefully he doesn’t believe that we should continue to be the World Policeman.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
2:04 pm
KIMBERGER,
I guess it doesn’t matter if Bidens answers, if correct as you suggest, aren’t based on flawed policy that also lacks the specifics you keep bringing up against GOP…I loved his “get out of Afghanistan at all peril” commentary…at the rate we are going there with the influx of the very Taliban we tossed out, and the probability that the new Afghan army is not our freinds and more allegiant to the Taliban than us…everything our guys died for will be forgotten…\
Brosephus™
October 12th, 2012
2:04 pm
dB @ 1:36
Now, I wish I had watched it. I’ll go back and read the transcript for sure now. I think they should all be called out on national tv in front of huge audiences when they pull that doublespeak crap. I don’t care which party it is either.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 12th, 2012
2:04 pm
scott
Please, if you want to be taken seriously, this golf business is way overdone to the point of idiocy, get real…
Mick
It it’s the same scott from CT’s old blog, don’t waste your time.
Mick
October 12th, 2012
2:04 pm
scott
I’ll just keep writing, got it?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
2:04 pm
Scott, you’re good at making up things…. can you do a funny one about Bush and Cheney getting those reports about security risks right before 9/11? And then have Bush hit the golf ball and Cheney shoot it (and a few others).
Did Rush put you up to these?
scott
October 12th, 2012
2:05 pm
Alright liberal losers. Enjoy the rest of the day. It is just one day closer to the clown being thrown out of office. Hopefully, he doesn’t do much more damage to this country. If I was the new ambassador to Libya Laurence Pope, I certainly would be worried. We know that security in that country isn’t a priority.
Erwin's cat
October 12th, 2012
2:06 pm
Stevie @ 1:59
You haven’t heard..
flat..it’s the new up
Mick
October 12th, 2012
2:07 pm
By scotty…take your white flag with you…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
2:08 pm
Peadawg
Sometimes yes you do. We see that.
Some times you slam yourself shut and just won’t think or learn.
Oh and….they make ladies drawers guaranteed not to bunch…..ask your wife silly.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
2:08 pm
Now, I wish I had watched it
I really was prepared to flip back to the Orioles-Yankees matchup (it was a great game) but I couldn’t; I said at the time to Mrs. sfd,of Biden: “He’s really having a good time. He loves this stuff, doesn’t he?”
And frankly, what made it good, rather than painful, was that Ryan wasn’t helpless, he was a decent adversary and put up a good fight. It wasn’t a blowout by any means. But I was pleased with what I saw, which was vintage Biden, the guy I saw in the 2007-2008 primary debates, not the subdued, better-not-come-off-like-a-sexist-jerk guy who went up against Sarah Palin.
RF
October 12th, 2012
2:08 pm
And again scottie-boy: why wasn’t the CIA protecting this joint since it’s been clearly revealed to have been a base for them? Why was the ambassador in a clearly insecure area in a consulate that was cover for a CIA base? Why wasn’t he in Tripoli in the secure embassy? Lots of questions about CIA involvement, or lack thereof in securing a location that they clearly were using. It seems the whole “consulate” was just that- a title to cover up what was really going on there.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
2:08 pm
Mick, I know you’ll call me naive.. I’ve been called much worse on here…..but i read Obama’s books. I just have to take him at his word because I see it being played out the last four years. And Capitalism has many warts, but it ain’t bad. This country has a pretty high standard of living. Most really poor have Ac/heat, cable Tv, cell phones, and emergency rooms for any pain. No, not perfect….But trying to ” even the playing field” by taxing the hell out of good people who have done all the right things so someone ( not physically challenged or mental types) so someone young and healthy screams ” where’s my S___” is not a good plan.
Use Your Common Sense
October 12th, 2012
2:08 pm
If Biden had schooled Ryan any more, the congressman would have owed Joe tuition….. Or at least a voucher…. OUCH!!
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 12th, 2012
2:09 pm
Regnad – I’m not really into those kind of fantasies, just thought it might be interesting! The WH has to throw someone under the bus though, waiting to find out who.
Fly-On-The-Wall
October 12th, 2012
2:10 pm
One thing that I’ve noticed is that Romney/Ryan are saying that they would work with Congress to get everything done. But when Obama did that with healthcare or jobs or the deficit or anything else he was put down as not being a leader. Yet here they are saying they’ll do the exact same thing and somehow that is now ‘leadership’. WTF!