Liveblog: Biden, Ryan ready to rumble

UPDATE: 9:05 On a question about the Libyan attack, Biden does well, diverting it into the larger security question. Ryan handles his part ably as well, although this “weakness.”

Whoa… the malarkey card: “Everything he said is a bunch of malarkey,” says Biden. And then backs it up. A good, strong exchange, although Ryan comes across as a bit unseasoned.

UPDATE: 9:15 Ryan takes a hard, but unrealistic, line on Iran. He sounds like he’s repeating rehearsed lines, Biden sounds like he comprehends the issue.

Biden’s forcefulness working for him very well.

I wonder if President Obama is taking notes.

9:26: “We’re going in the wrong direction,” says Ryan. I don’t think that’s going to sell. “It’s late evening in America”?

Raddatz doing well as moderator, but I think the forum is easier. Sitting there at the table gives her more control. It’s a good exchange.

9:34 Medicare and Social Security. I think Joe just hit a home run on Medicare with seniors, which is his target audience on this topic.

Although Ryan is right about Biden interrupting.

9:50 Biden carrying the argument with a combination of passion and detail.

10:00 I don’t think Ryan/Romney’s argument for sticking in Afghanistan gets them anywhere. That time is past.

Ryan failed on Afghanistan, but it’s not necessarily his fault. The vague Romney position on Afghanistan, suggesting he’d stay longer, is just hard to defend after more than a decade of U.S. blood.

10:28 Ryan has held his own; he did a good job with what he was given. But this is a Biden victory. It’s not a slam dunk; it won’t alter the race much. But Biden’s conviction carried the day.

It may and should serve as a template for his boss. An interesting endnote: I don’t recall a veep debate in which the tops of the ticket, Romney and Obama in this case, were mentioned so seldom.

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Among other things, it’s going to be interesting to see how successful Joe Biden is in handcuffing Paul Ryan to the ardently conservative positions that he championed before joining the ticket, and how willing Ryan will be to slough off that identity in service of the newly moderate Mitt Romney.

Not to mention Biden’s proclivity for foot-chewing.

– Jay Bookman

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
7:53 pm

Mr, Ryan, are you a proponent of Ayn Rand’s works?

Junior Samples

October 11th, 2012
7:54 pm

Here’s to a good clean fight.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
7:55 pm

FIRST!

and

FREE FRED!

Jay

October 11th, 2012
7:56 pm

Fred has been told he’s back tomorrow. But as you may have surmised, he can be a stubborn cuss.

getalife

October 11th, 2012
7:57 pm

This time, I will look at all style and no substance to get on the same page with media and Americans.

I think the media will take something Joe says and loop it for 72 hours.

The Governor of Montana said that might happen on cnn so I think he let their agenda slip out.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
8:03 pm

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Common Sense isn't very Common

October 11th, 2012
8:07 pm

I just wonder how Ryan is going to defend the voucher program for Medicare since Romney says he won’t reduce it?

How many elderly can understand how to use them?

Is he going to start a gov’t agency to advise the elderly?

If so, how will those people be monitored so they aren’t BOUGHT by big health.

Only the shadow knows LOL

:-)

Mick

October 11th, 2012
8:12 pm

josef

I said I was looking for some truth, doesn’t mean I’ll find it.

If you’re a politician this has to be your personal super bowl; Go out and hit a home run, throw a touchdown….always with the sports or rumble? Words, a pretty cool duel no matter how you slice it.

Thomas Heyward Jr

October 11th, 2012
8:16 pm

Here’s a cool drinking game that is safe for even our Morman friends.
Using 190 proof Grain alcohol,
Take a drink everytime Individual Liberty, Freedom, or NDAA is mentioned.
.
Use excess alcohol for canning some peaches or something.
.

F. Sinkwich

October 11th, 2012
8:17 pm

So how come CSPAN ain’t in HD?

Bummer.

F. Sinkwich

October 11th, 2012
8:20 pm

“I just wonder how Ryan is going to defend the voucher program for Medicare since Romney says he won’t reduce it?”

I just wonder how Ryan is going to defend Mitt’s wife beating hobby.

Mick

October 11th, 2012
8:22 pm

**So how come CSPAN ain’t in HD?**

It’s because biden can’t wear his baseball cap…

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
8:23 pm

Congressman, I served with Dan Quayle, I knew Dan Quayle, Dan Quayle was a friend of mine. Congressman, you’re no Dan Quayle. (Prolonged shouts and applause.)

getalife

October 11th, 2012
8:25 pm

cnn showed a clip of Jack Kemp saying it was not trickle down, it is Niagara Falls.

That trickle down has dried up and the Niagara Falls is the deficit.

I think Thomas can agree to that.

Paul

October 11th, 2012
8:25 pm

My bet; Ryan says “yeah, I came up with all sorts of ideas, Joe, because you and your boss wouldn’t. But now I’m the vice presidential candidate and you should know it’s not about me, it’s about the policy Gov Romney sets. Okay, so you’ve tried to set policy yourself a time or two and look how that worked out. So this is my policy: as Gov Romney has stated since his nomination (blah blah blah).”

Larry

October 11th, 2012
8:29 pm

Just as Mitt did to the worst president in moder times, Paul Ryan will destroy Joe Biden’s liberal lies using the one weapon he can’t handle—the truth.

Biden’s the consummate fake; literally and figuratively He has had eye lifts, face lifts and hair plugs for years due to the same cognitive illness that plagues all scumbag liberals: insecurity, delusions, and feelings of inadequacy. Shoot, his own daughter just married his plastic surgeon!

And Jay, you’re the consummate liberal “brown noser.”

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 11th, 2012
8:29 pm

get

it seems as if Niagra Falls has a prostate problem

Mick

October 11th, 2012
8:31 pm

paul

Dueling records, ryans tougher to defend because a lot of it is far right dung. Maybe something unpredictable will happen…

getalife

October 11th, 2012
8:32 pm

Common,

It is a drip now.

The gop have peddled this same trickle down bs for decades.

mitt is stay the course to widen the wealth and income gap as long as they can get away with it.

BRW

October 11th, 2012
8:35 pm

Mick

October 11th, 2012
8:35 pm

larry

What a drag, man…who made you king of the hill? As if you could sniff any truth even if it was staring you in the kisser, another dum head ding a ling goes for the groin and thinks he scored a knockout… uh-huh..

Brosephus™ - Fred Got Hosed!!!! Free Fred!!!!

October 11th, 2012
8:36 pm

Fred has been told he’s back tomorrow. But as you may have surmised, he can be a stubborn cuss.

Is that kinda like a pot meet kettle observation? You tend to go a bit harder on Fred as opposed to others. Then again, your blog… your rules.

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I’m not watching this latest informercial. I’ll check the recap to see if Roger Rivard’s name pops up.

Don't Forget

October 11th, 2012
8:37 pm

Mr. Ryan, how will the policies of a Romney administration differ from the policies of the Bush administration?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2012
8:37 pm

I hope Larry is right about Ryan being truthful… it would be nice to see that for a change from him. ;)

barking frog

October 11th, 2012
8:37 pm

Since in the event of a
tragedy one of these guys
may become President,
I like to consider this a
Presidential debate and
judge accordingly.

Mick

October 11th, 2012
8:40 pm

**I’m not watching this latest informercial.**

Wow, another hemingway type of observation, saying the most with the least.. truth…

iggy

October 11th, 2012
8:41 pm

Lets get ready to rrRRRUMMBBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEE!!!!!

Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)

October 11th, 2012
8:41 pm

Is either candidate using a teleprompter? Seriously I would like to know?

getalife

October 11th, 2012
8:42 pm

Biden, “Good job numbers.”

ryan.” It’s a vast left wing conspiracy”.

Larry calls that truth.

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 11th, 2012
8:43 pm

Bro

Try the reruns of NCIS.

About as real

:-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
8:43 pm

Mr. Ryan what do you think of the decision to replace Taylor Schilling with plucky Pump Up The Volume actress Samantha Mathis as Dagny Taggart in the second installment of Atlas Shrugged?

getalife

October 11th, 2012
8:44 pm

“Voucher care” Biden.

“Mit er Obama care” ryan.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2012
8:45 pm

Since Mitt has decided to go to the moderate Mitt and to heck with the extreme right, I wonder if he regrets his extreme VP selection.

Tall

October 11th, 2012
8:45 pm

Kamchak:

…..”Mr, Ryan, are you a proponent of Ayn Rand’s works?”…

I am. Regardless of who is elected, the country will be unable to continue deficit spending. Your entitlement checks will bounce. So much for affordable health care.

Good luck.

Don't Forget

October 11th, 2012
8:46 pm

So if Romney were to win would he be sworn in on the Book of Mormon?

cmac

October 11th, 2012
8:46 pm

Rumble? Does the obozoticket know how to do that without a teleprompter? Wonder if Bidumb will plagiarize anyone tonite?

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
8:47 pm

Congressman, I partied with Sarah Palin, I “knew” Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin was a freak. Congressman, you’re no Sarah Palin. (Prolonged shouts and applause.)

cmac

October 11th, 2012
8:48 pm

Yea! No lying out of the obozo – bidumb camp!!

YouLibs

October 11th, 2012
8:48 pm

Don’t Forget

I heard he’s going to be sworn in on an Etch-A-Sketch.

Don’t quote me on that.

They BOTH suck

October 11th, 2012
8:49 pm

JamVet @ 8:47

That would be Glenn Rice the basketball player……….

getalife

October 11th, 2012
8:49 pm

Keep,

Probably after this debate he will.

ryan voted to privatize SS and voucher care.

Then ryan will attack Libya after the gop disastrous hearing.

Joe should knock that one out of the park.

Lord Help Us

October 11th, 2012
8:50 pm

Congressman Ryan. How much would the ‘Ryan Plan,’ if enacted as passed by the House of Representatives, add to the National debt over the next ten years?

Brosephus™ - Fred Got Hosed!!!! Free Fred!!!!

October 11th, 2012
8:50 pm

NoCom

Watching Last Resort now. After that, I’m just turning the tv off.

I’m out… Catch y’all later

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
8:50 pm

I am.

So was I.

During the summer before my sophomore year in high school.

40 some odd years ago.

barking frog

October 11th, 2012
8:50 pm

Congressman,
Obamacare is a big ____ing
deal and this President has
a big stick.

Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)

October 11th, 2012
8:50 pm

Don’t Forget – Not nice, so if Obama wins would he be sworn in on the Book of Muslim? Muslim or Mormon take your choice. I know which one I would pick!

cmac

October 11th, 2012
8:50 pm

No teleprompter for democRATS = disaster!!

Don't Forget

October 11th, 2012
8:53 pm

Tom, Obama isn’t a muslim. It would be the first time a president wasn’t sworn in on a Bible though. I like the etch a sketch idea though.

cmac

October 11th, 2012
8:54 pm

No proof obozo isn’t a mooslum! He was when he could use it to his advantage!

Don't Forget

October 11th, 2012
8:55 pm

Ryan doesn’t want to be called congressman? That says a lot.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2012
8:55 pm

One of the rules tonight is that the moderator cannot call Ryan “Congressman”?

Good to see the truth. :roll:

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
8:55 pm

getalife

October 11th, 2012
8:57 pm

He is congressman.

A bad one.

Thulsa Doom

October 11th, 2012
8:58 pm

Fred stubborn? Say it aint so.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
8:58 pm

Tonight Paul Ryan has requested to be referred to as Mr. Ryan. Choosing second, Joe Biden has opted for Deacon Blues

Heh, heh, heh.

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
8:59 pm

Congressman Paul Ryan is not the solution to our problems. Congressman Paul Ryan is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

iggy

October 11th, 2012
9:02 pm

Rat-itz…ugh.

Thulsa Doom

October 11th, 2012
9:02 pm

30 year age difference roughly. The stale old white guy that libs love to hate vs the vibrant young guy.

Tall

October 11th, 2012
9:03 pm

YOU CAN’T PRINT..’er… SPEND WHAT YOU DON’T HAVE. Does anyone understand that? The economy can’t grow fast enough to cover it. If the Demoprocrastinators do win…. it will be their death knell. The Republicans aren’t much better, but they seem to understand what the other side doesn’t care to know.

“At the end of the day, there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the Republicans or Democrats.” – Mark Twain….I think….

“This is your choice: If you want big government and high taxes – vote for the Republicans. If you want higher taxes and bigger government – vote for the Democrats. ” Huey Long….I think…

iggy

October 11th, 2012
9:04 pm

Biden has already began lying/spinning….

BRW

October 11th, 2012
9:06 pm

cmac == seriously pitiful Troll…….No feeding please……

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
9:07 pm

Love to hate? That twerp can’t carry his jockstrap.

The guy is an outstanding American and human being.

On December 18, 1972, a few weeks after the election, Biden’s wife and one-year-old daughter were killed in an automobile accident while Christmas shopping in Hockessin, Delaware. Neilia Biden’s station wagon was hit by a tractor-trailer as she pulled out from an intersection; the truck driver was cleared of any wrongdoing. Biden’s two sons, Beau and Hunter, were critically injured in the accident, but both eventually made full recoveries.

Biden considered resigning to care for them; he was persuaded not to by Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield and others and was sworn in to office from one of their bedsides. The accident left Biden filled with both anger and religious doubt: “I liked to [walk around seedy neighborhoods] at night when I thought there was a better chance of finding a fight … I had not known I was capable of such rage … I felt God had played a horrible trick on me.”

To be at home every day for his young sons, Biden began the practice of commuting every day by Amtrak train for 1½ hours each way from his home in the Wilmington suburbs to Washington, D.C., which he continued to do throughout his Senate career. In the aftermath of the accident, he had trouble focusing on work, and appeared to just go through the motions of being a senator. In his memoirs, Biden notes that staffers were taking bets on how long he would last.

A single father for five years, Biden left standing orders that he be interrupted in the Senate at any time if his sons called. In remembrance of his wife and daughter, Biden does not work on December 18, the anniversary of the accident.

Put that “I sleep in my office” Mr. Congressman…

getalife

October 11th, 2012
9:08 pm

ryan agrees with our President on Afghanistan.

Sweet.

Thulsa Doom

October 11th, 2012
9:08 pm

Damn. Ryan just blasted them on Benghazi and the coverup. Boom. No doubt. Obama’s foreign policy is flat out unraveling before our own eyes. Truth.

Joseph

October 11th, 2012
9:08 pm

Just looking at the split screen this debate is over

BRW

October 11th, 2012
9:08 pm

“vs the vibrant young guy”
Eddie Munster is young? Must be all that blood sucking…..

Joseph

October 11th, 2012
9:09 pm

poor Biden is lost!!!!!

Thulsa Doom

October 11th, 2012
9:09 pm

Joe Biden with the malarkey comment. That just made him look stupid.

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
9:09 pm

Yep, we’re in big trouble. Nate McClouth just went yard…

Thulsa Doom

October 11th, 2012
9:10 pm

um uh um uh um the most devastating effects on Iran- Biden

Joseph

October 11th, 2012
9:10 pm

Oh the whoppin…. poor Joe…

Joseph

October 11th, 2012
9:11 pm

Biden just lied….

Thulsa Doom

October 11th, 2012
9:11 pm

Biden just said they weren’t told that the Libyan embassy requested more security. That is a damn flat out bald faced effing

L

I

E

!

iggy

October 11th, 2012
9:11 pm

LOL…Biden is as lost as a lizard.

getalife

October 11th, 2012
9:11 pm

“Terrorist sympathizer” Joe. Say it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
9:12 pm

“vibrant young man”

The bromance is palpable

iggy

October 11th, 2012
9:12 pm

GO FOR BROKE, JOE!!

Havocmaker

October 11th, 2012
9:12 pm

Biden cannot win this subject

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2012
9:12 pm

Doom is posting pomposity again. No facts, just pompous nonsense.

Ryan wastes no time in politicizing the Libya attacks, hitting Obama for not characterizing the violence as a “terrorist attack.” Obama used the word “terrorism” the very next day.

barking frog

October 11th, 2012
9:13 pm

Can our intelligence
people be as dumb as
Biden says?

Thulsa Doom

October 11th, 2012
9:13 pm

Ryan nailed Biden on the LIE about the request for extra security.

Jay

October 11th, 2012
9:14 pm

Can our intelligence
people be as dumb as
Biden says?

Absolutely. The concept that they should and can know everything is fantasy.

Joseph

October 11th, 2012
9:14 pm

I guess Joe could try and literally spank him but Ryan would probably whoop his arse….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2012
9:14 pm

Biden’s claim that intelligence on Libya shifted matches with what experts say about the difficult nature of gathering intelligence — former CIA analyst Alex Peritz said “[b]laming the president for not having instantaneous and perfect information is a ridiculous political stunt.”

Joseph

October 11th, 2012
9:15 pm

I think Biden is mesmerized by Ryan…

iggy

October 11th, 2012
9:15 pm

As Obama stated about the VP debates “I think Joe should be Joe”.

Thulsa Doom

October 11th, 2012
9:15 pm

keep up,

Keep up with the lying. It is a matter of damn record that the consulate requested extra security. That is called a fact sir. Deal with it Missy.

Matti

October 11th, 2012
9:15 pm

I hope your shot word wasn’t “values.” Eddie Muster will have you puking before 10:00.

Havocmaker

October 11th, 2012
9:16 pm

Yes it is incredible that Joe is that bad.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2012
9:16 pm

Doom, calm down….you’re going to blow a gasket with your nonsense and distortions.

wahoo

October 11th, 2012
9:17 pm

I think Biden’s comical/laughing facial expressions in the split screen are going to hurt him with viewers.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
9:17 pm

Who had thelma melt-down at 15 minutes?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

barking frog

October 11th, 2012
9:17 pm

Jay
But not knowing terrorists
from protestors is beyond
the pale. If this is true
Petraeus should be fired.

Joseph

October 11th, 2012
9:18 pm

Foreign policy is supposed to be Biden’s strong point and Ryan is dominating him….

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
9:18 pm

More bad news. Yanks hit a long drive that is caught up against the wall.

Newsflash!

mike/joseph declares UGA Number One in latest BCS polls. Stand by for updates.

Matti

October 11th, 2012
9:19 pm

Eddie Munster has a crystal ball now? He can see the Ayotollah’s thoughts? What a tool.

They BOTH suck

October 11th, 2012
9:19 pm

Ryan had his stutter on………………….

getalife

October 11th, 2012
9:19 pm

It is true, they gave the wrong info but the CIA was there and they never tell the truth.

iggy

October 11th, 2012
9:19 pm

Joe and his smiling/laughing remind me of Casey Anthony persecuting attorrney.

lynnie gal

October 11th, 2012
9:19 pm

Yeah, the Libyan consulate asked for extra security. But the REPUBLICAN led House CUT the BUDGET for SECURITY for the STATE DEPARTMENT. Republicans are responsible for the lack of security because they wanted to save a few pennies, and thus are responsible for the murders of our people in Libya.