Liveblog: Biden, Ryan ready to rumble
UPDATE: 9:05 On a question about the Libyan attack, Biden does well, diverting it into the larger security question. Ryan handles his part ably as well, although this “weakness.”
Whoa… the malarkey card: “Everything he said is a bunch of malarkey,” says Biden. And then backs it up. A good, strong exchange, although Ryan comes across as a bit unseasoned.
UPDATE: 9:15 Ryan takes a hard, but unrealistic, line on Iran. He sounds like he’s repeating rehearsed lines, Biden sounds like he comprehends the issue.
Biden’s forcefulness working for him very well.
I wonder if President Obama is taking notes.
9:26: “We’re going in the wrong direction,” says Ryan. I don’t think that’s going to sell. “It’s late evening in America”?
Raddatz doing well as moderator, but I think the forum is easier. Sitting there at the table gives her more control. It’s a good exchange.
9:34 Medicare and Social Security. I think Joe just hit a home run on Medicare with seniors, which is his target audience on this topic.
Although Ryan is right about Biden interrupting.
9:50 Biden carrying the argument with a combination of passion and detail.
10:00 I don’t think Ryan/Romney’s argument for sticking in Afghanistan gets them anywhere. That time is past.
Ryan failed on Afghanistan, but it’s not necessarily his fault. The vague Romney position on Afghanistan, suggesting he’d stay longer, is just hard to defend after more than a decade of U.S. blood.
10:28 Ryan has held his own; he did a good job with what he was given. But this is a Biden victory. It’s not a slam dunk; it won’t alter the race much. But Biden’s conviction carried the day.
It may and should serve as a template for his boss. An interesting endnote: I don’t recall a veep debate in which the tops of the ticket, Romney and Obama in this case, were mentioned so seldom.
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Among other things, it’s going to be interesting to see how successful Joe Biden is in handcuffing Paul Ryan to the ardently conservative positions that he championed before joining the ticket, and how willing Ryan will be to slough off that identity in service of the newly moderate Mitt Romney.
Not to mention Biden’s proclivity for foot-chewing.
– Jay Bookman
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I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:15 am
Biden told the country last night that “they” didn’t know that extra security had been requested by our Ambassador ….guess not,,,,,He was probably home in “time out” and his boss was on his talk show tour. We know he doesn’t attend NSA meetings.
Hmmmmmmm
October 12th, 2012
8:15 am
@Jamvet
I am independent. My voting record will prove that I have voted for both sides…
@Butch
You don’t leave a job unfinished, and you definitely don’t leave the troops that are there, at RISK… I mean, would you like a picture.. It’s really very simple!
Mary Elizabeth
October 12th, 2012
8:15 am
Any man, politician or otherwise, who claims to care about women and their rights, and who refuses to acknowledge that a woman should have the right to decisions effecting her own body, and therefore, her destiny, is only being paternalistic toward women and that is unacceptable, and that means that he neither understands women’s rights nor does he genuinely care about women.
kayaker 71
October 12th, 2012
8:17 am
Ryan lost most of the pro choice crowd, no doubt. One of the most telling points brought up was the possible selection of two Supreme Court justices, something that has not been mentioned much. The court will certainly take on a decided liberal feel if Bozo is re-elected.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:18 am
Mary E………. Works for you with the big A word…….When you are 80 and need a hip replacement and an old crusty white man tells me it ain’t in the budget, get back to me about YOUR BODY……
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:19 am
[Ryan] neither understands women’s rights nor does he genuinely care about women.
…but we knew that already.
And I did enjoy how he essentially ceded the “How can a good Catholic support abortion rights” argument to Biden when he acknowledged that while he personally thinks rape victims should be forced to bear their attackers’ babies, he supports the legal right of such women to terminate.
I’m sure he didn’t *want* to do that, but he had to.
Heh heh.
ideasbm
October 12th, 2012
8:19 am
For all you liberal ARSES on here. Biden is a bumbling, stumbling fool. Anyonw who thinks otherwise is also a fool. Who in his right mind would want this guy as a heartbeat away from being president. WhOOAA….what a mess we would be in. He is rude, crude, and his laughing and interrupting proved it. As we all know when someone laughs, they know they have been caught either in a lie of know they are just do not know how to answer or rebut on the subject. Heaven help us if he is in this office again.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:19 am
s/b tells YOU it ain’t in the budget
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
8:21 am
Hmmm, hard to respond to a shape shifter, because I have no idea who you are. Today.
But what the heck.
Would you give some examples of this even handed voting record?
And cons, quit whining.
The Romney debate juggernaut (LOL) took a hit last night.
Big Mo comes and goes.
Get over it and realize in the free market place of ideas, your guys and their amazing lack of specifics are in trouble. BIG time Electoral College trouble.That’s it, that’s all…
straitroad
October 12th, 2012
8:22 am
This debate went about as expected. Biden probably did a better job to those who only listened to the debate. The split screen, however, was not kind to Biden. If Ryan conducted himself as Biden did, I would think he came across as an immature jackass. I might not want to admit to it but I would certainly be thinking it.
Mary Elizabeth
October 12th, 2012
8:24 am
I’m a Liberal and believe everthing, 8:18 am
Your chosen name on this blog tells me all I need to know about your sensibility to understand any issue in this political dichotomy in our nation, with depth. You have zero credibility with any thinking, conscious person.
USMC
October 12th, 2012
8:24 am
We INDEPENDENTS were definitely turned off by Joe “Uncle Festor” Biden’s unbalanced and seemingly drug induced “performance. And while he might have provided a little “red meat” for the USEFUL IDIOTS in the Peanut Gallery, Joe Biden looked unfit for Office; ANGRY and Confused. What a meltdown.
Ryan on the other hand presented us, we INDEPENDENTS, with an example of SOBER and RESPONSIBLE Leadership well qualified to pull our country out of the dismal that OBAMA has put us in.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
8:26 am
Looked to me like Eddie Munster versus a soon to be retired used car salesman. I had to turn it off after an hour or so…horrific television. At least Ryan acted more “presidential” that the childish smiling (how long do you suppose he soaks those pearly whites every night?) demeanor of Biden. Both had softballs tossed there way and left them alone..Biden suggesting we leave Afghanistan before job is done is idiotic…specially considering the country is already being taken over by Taliban again…maybe we should let them have it. Ryan looked like an actuary…not good on that stage..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-vice-presidential-debate/2012/10/12/e900404a-13d0-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_blog.html
Joseph
October 12th, 2012
8:26 am
Jay:
I will admit Biden did much better than I thought he would. He of course didn’t win the debate but I would say he didn’t lose bad. Ryan was much more likable because of all the hee hawing, interupting and smiling like a mule eatin briars. The alarming thing is that he did much much better than Obama. Not only in the debate but at the convention. Voters will certainly take notice that the guy at the top of the ticket is inept and clueless….
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
8:26 am
so many hurt fee fees
it almost tickles.
Jm
October 12th, 2012
8:27 am
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
(please)
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:28 am
Mary…..One gals opinion I guess. PS….Are you related to the Cutter woman on the Obama staff?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
8:29 am
Mary Elizabeth
Be nice now…this is the best place to pick fights with liberals..although it is becoming more fun to pick fights with conservatives…it’s all absurd…we are being played and we are jumping right into the game with gusto and passion..
Peadawg
October 12th, 2012
8:29 am
Both of their noses grew about 2 feet last night. But I’ll say Ryan won just b/c Biden acted like some arrogant punk bully.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
8:30 am
Looks like most of the attacks of the conned are still about hair plugs, teeth, laughing at the absurdity of some of his opponents claims…. on the issues, they just run away.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:30 am
Only thing Biden was missing was loose tie and a bottle of Gin next to him
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:31 am
The economic disaster in 2007 brought on by the Cons’ policies during the Bush regime was a time for all elected officials to get on board with solving that crisis and to stop the bleeding… but instead, what we got was “our number one priority is to make sure that Obama is a one-term president.”
Shame on you Cons for trying to destroy America for the past 4 years!
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:31 am
You have zero credibility with any thinking, conscious person.
But M.E.–what about his FABULOUS hip replacement=abortion argument?
I mean, that works on so many levels!
USMC
October 12th, 2012
8:32 am
CNN POLL: RYAN 48% Biden 44%…
Enough Said!
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:33 am
some arrogant punk bully
Dude. That’s in the Veep job description.
You don’t hire a guy to play nice. You hire a “bad cop,” so that you look classy by comparison.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
8:33 am
CBS News did a poll of undecided voters who thought Biden won by a fairly large margin, but they also reached an even more interesting conclusion: whereas before the debate, these voters thought Ryan was better prepared to serve as an effective president, after the debate, the results flipped in Biden’s favor
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:33 am
CNN POLL:
Over-50 white Southrens again?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:33 am
All Americans say under 40 looking at those two last night and ask themselves….” who would you leave your kids with of the two for the evening”…….LOL
Joseph
October 12th, 2012
8:33 am
Goldie:
Can you please elaborate on what policies?
USMC
October 12th, 2012
8:34 am
Joe Bidens Blustery Gaffs land Obama administration in “Hot Water”!
Biden contradicts State Department on Benghazi security…
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/11/biden_contradicts_state_department_on_benghazi_security
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
8:35 am
WE Independents…..Favor Biden by a fairly large margin
tee hee hee
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:36 am
“If Ryan conducted himself as Biden did, I would think he came across as an immature jackass.”
No, Paul Ryan did come across exactly like an immature jackass — he stepped up on that stage and got pummelled by the Veep who showed who really has the experience to lead America. Ryan has memorized his talking points, as practiced, but that was all we got out of him last night!
Joseph
October 12th, 2012
8:36 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!:
I think I will go with the CNN poll… Its obviously much better….
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:36 am
USMC…… don’t screw these people up with facts….good Gawd Man
Aquagirl
October 12th, 2012
8:37 am
But M.E.–what about his FABULOUS hip replacement=abortion argument?
Oh, man, I’ve gotta spend a few minutes looking for that foray into idiocy. That sounds like a babble for the ages.
USMC
October 12th, 2012
8:37 am
BENGHAZI-GATE not going away as OBAMA administration digs deeper hole…
Cutter: Romney, Ryan ‘entire reason’ Libya attack is political issue
http://thehill.com/video/campaign/261539-cutter-libya-attacks-have-become-of-political-issue-because-of-romney-and-ryan
Mary Elizabeth
October 12th, 2012
8:37 am
I am not playing any game, Stevie Ray, with anyone.
I am speaking out for women’s rights throughout the nation and globe for those women who gained women’s rights (including the right to vote) before me, and for those young women who will come after me, and who must face people with sensibilities as dull as that of the bully who believe that women will stand for paternalism and second class citizenship in the 21st century. Anyone who does not perceive the importance of this issue is in denial.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
8:37 am
I’m a Liberal: who would you leave your kids with of the two for the evening”
That’s the typical lowlife scummy childish attacks that the conned are known for. When you have lost all else and you cannot use your brain to come up with sensible commentary, impugn character by [wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean] heinous undertones. What a worthless post.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:38 am
Unsurprisingly Nate goes with a baseball metaphor.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/12/in-polls-biden-gets-a-hold/
(Hard to argue that one, actually.)
My best guess: perhaps Mr. Biden can be credited with what in baseball statistics would be termed a “hold”: something a bit shy of either a win or a save and which will probably seem perfunctory with the passage of time, but which might have done his team a bit of good.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:38 am
If this were the Mob, Joe would be the guy that drove the Limo and made the pasta, just say’n
sam
October 12th, 2012
8:39 am
the thing about Ryan is that he’s a policy/numbers geek not a natural politician. i think that comes accross in campaign speeches and debates like this.
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
8:39 am
Joseph, flip-flopping on your debate “analysis” from last night?
Humorous AND apropos!
Mick
October 12th, 2012
8:39 am
All americans under the age of 55 look at those two last night and say: Which party is going to screw me on social security and medicare when I’m 64?
Joseph
October 12th, 2012
8:39 am
I think maybe that ridiculous CBS poll is a misprint…..
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/11/CNBC-Poll-Ryan-Crushes-Biden-56-36
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:40 am
Oh, man, I’ve gotta spend a few minutes looking for that foray into idiocy.
It’s great. Apparently “Ima Lib” believes that individual states are vying to ban the hip-replacement procedures outright, or perhaps force elderly men to have painful rectal probes as a prerequisite for hip-replacement surgery, because hip-replacement surgery makes baby Jesus cry.
It’s probably the stupidest antichoice argument I’ve seen made here, and I’ve seen some freakin’ doozies in the past.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
8:40 am
What skin tone will Romney choose for Tuesday? I’m thinking lily white.
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
8:41 am
Our ex-marine and facts?
HUGE LOL!
That guy is about as independent as Kim Il-sung…
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:41 am
Which party is going to screw me on social security and medicare when I’m 64?
Will you still screw me
Will you eschew me
When I’m sixty-four…
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 12th, 2012
8:41 am
Hmmmmm – “You don’t leave a job unfinished”
And what does “finished” look like? By the way, how are you planning to pay for this limitless excursion without sufficient revenue?
RB from Gwinnett
October 12th, 2012
8:42 am
Mary Elizabeth, is your life really so empty that you sit home 24/7/365 fretting over your ability to get abortions on demand? Really???? If that issue is that important to you, seek some professional help, sweetie, cause you need some in a bad way.
Rome is burning and Mary Elizabeth is worried about being able to legally kill her children…
USMC
October 12th, 2012
8:42 am
It was very evident to us, INDEPENDENTS, that Joe Biden is UNSTABLE and UNFIT for the office of Vice President!
Matti
October 12th, 2012
8:42 am
Mary Elizabeth,
Thank you for the breakdown on women’s rights. Again. That some still don’t get it is evidence of evolution, and how remnants of the troglodyte species still roam among us on their way to extinction and irrelevance.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:42 am
RB, don’t you have some slave laborers that need whipping?
Mick
October 12th, 2012
8:42 am
usmc
There is no benghazi gate because an investigation is being conducted. At least wait until a report is issued before there is a “coverup” or lack of one…
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:42 am
Did anyone here already mention how much Ryan looks just like Eddie Munster? LOL!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
8:43 am
Keep,
I’m not running away..I did comment on Bidens teeth…he bared them so often it was blinding…Ryan closely resembles Eddie Munster…Does Biden really have plugs?
Anyhow, I think we all lost here…we learned nothing new and the positions of each simply reflect the differences that get discussed here ad nausea..They both evaded most of the questions with that dingbat moderator..she held neither to the questions at hand…
Bidens performance on Afghanistan and Libya were consistent with BO”s bungled foreign policy..Bidens continued tired reference to the unfortunately death of his wife several decades ago is wearing thin..
Ryan who did get some good ziggers in, was predictable on and weak on several of the issues and said not a single thing outside of tired talking points..
Neither won but more importantly didn’t screw up..
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:43 am
Seriously, RB, do you know how much of a loser this issue is for your side?
Americans overwhelmingly support Roe v. Wade.
RB from Gwinnett
October 12th, 2012
8:44 am
Goldie, could you be specific on which bush policies caused the financial collapse?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 12th, 2012
8:45 am
RB,
I agree with you..Rome is definitely burning..especially in the ME..we have a pile of evidence confirming BO’s failure of foreign policy..However, gotta call you out on your not well thougth out comment on abortion. Why does that matter to you?
Paul
October 12th, 2012
8:46 am
RB from Gwinnett
I’ve tossed aside about four responses to your 8:42. It became easier when I considered the source.
So tell us, while we await the new thread, RB, how do you define a ‘child’?
Robert
October 12th, 2012
8:46 am
This debate was about leadership. Who would you want to lead the USA if something happen to the President? Vice President Biden clearly showed he had more experience in politics and showed better judgement. As I watched this debate I focused my attention on Mr. Ryan. What is he? He is a young man (40’s) , who has no friends who are different from him (minorities, etc.), and has extreme points of views (tea party, etc.). Mr. Ryan showed he lacked communication skills (listening, talking, writing, body language, etc.) required for leadship. Mr. Ryan is too young to think and act like a racist bigot. If Mr. Ryan was your child or mine’s he would be labeled as “spoiled” to death and will do anything to prove his points of views regardless of the consequences of his actions. He is not fit for leadership.
I think the GOP found a way to get rid of all the right wing extremist who helped hold the American People hostage over the past 4 years when Mr. Romney choose Mr. Ryan as his running mate. The GOP can know create a winning strategy to keep as many seats as they can in both the House and Senate as well as recruit moderate GOP candidates and try to re-capture the White House in 2016. Hopefully the GOP can restore civility to our political process. We are one nation not divided by race and income status.
The American People
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:47 am
American women can make up their own minds about who has control over their bodies — and it ain’t no stinkin’ “elected officials”!
And as Our President has stated: “rape is rape”, so Paul Ryan with his anti-choice legislation is a real dud when it comes to leading America forward into the 21st century!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 12th, 2012
8:48 am
Bidens continued tired reference to the unfortunately death of his wife several decades ago is wearing thin
Stevie, I think that is another cheap shot at Biden myself. I note you did not say the same about Ryan’s reference to his father.
Jm
October 12th, 2012
8:50 am
Joe the Biden
Nuff said.
Aquagirl
October 12th, 2012
8:51 am
It’s probably the stupidest antichoice argument I’ve seen made here, and I’ve seen some freakin’ doozies in the past.
It was a LOL for sure. “I can’t get a new hip on demand, and it’s because of your sinnin’ ladyparts!!!1111!!!”
I think Joe unhinged a few of our cons.
Paul
October 12th, 2012
8:51 am
Goldie
Please excuse the interruption/
RB from Gwinnett
“Goldie, could you be specific on which bush policies caused the financial collapse?”
Some of us are getting concerned about you. You hear something, you read something, it happens a couple of times, yet…. every day is a brand new day.
Surely, with your reputation for seeking out facts, understanding cause, your aversion to rank political views devoid of attachment to reality, you do remember seeing, reading, discussing, the Financial Crisis Inquiry Report of the National Commission on the Causes of the Financial and
Economic Crisis in the United States, don’t you?
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-FCIC/pdf/GPO-FCIC.pdf
Or is today another new day?
Perhaps you’d like to start off a bit more slowly, as in answering the 8:46?
Mary Elizabeth
October 12th, 2012
8:51 am
RB from Gwinnett, 8:42
Your post tells everyone who reads this blog exactly what kind of person you are and you are a supporter of the rightwing agenda, as I have read in the past. You are not a good model for your cause. And why do I say that?
You feel so threatened by my opinions that you must call me “sweetie,” while mentioning “professional help” yet you know nothing about me. My life is quite full and rewarding. Your way of seeing others, especially women, is exactly the reason that I write in order to expose the callousness and inherent cowardness of people with your perceptions. I could care less about myself regarding abortions. I am 70 years old this week and am hardly am concerned with the issue of abortion, personally.
I speak out for my own daughter, her yet unborn daughters, all women, and against those who see with your bullying and condescending eyes.
USMC
October 12th, 2012
8:51 am
Crazy Joe Biden drove the Good Ship Obama over the cliff last night.
Watch Independents and Swing State Voters CONTINUE to show support for Team Romney/Ryan.
RB from Gwinnett
October 12th, 2012
8:52 am
Paul, I believe life begins at conception. You?
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:52 am
Paul Ryan is a BIG part of the problems created during the Bush regime when he voted over and over again to bankrupt this country, with their unpaid for wars and extreme tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans during a time of war! Paul Ryan is a disaster when it comes to talking about how he knows how to solve our economic problems! And he’s a disaster when it comes to talking about women’s issues!
Face it, Cons — Paul Ryan is just what your Party does NOT need right now!
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
8:52 am
Goldie, could you be specific on which bush policies caused the financial collapse?
The guy who promised in his 2000 campaign that he was going to “clean up Wall Street”?
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
USMC
October 12th, 2012
8:53 am
Florida poll: Romney 51, Obama 44
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/timesbay-news-9herald-exclusive-florida-poll-romney-51-obama-44/1255882
Thomas
October 12th, 2012
8:54 am
10:28 Ryan has held his own; he did a good job with what he was given. But this is a Biden victory. It’s not a slam dunk; it won’t alter the race much. But Biden’s conviction carried the day
uh thanks cheerleader Jay- too bad the CNN poll shows little young guy won- does anyone really take you serious?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 12th, 2012
8:54 am
So, does Ryan now have enough credits to earn his “Debate” merit badge? He did good for being up late on a school night.
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
8:55 am
…a pile of evidence confirming BO’s failure of foreign policy.
Riiiiight.
Ask Osama bin Laden. He’ll agree.
Oh, wait!
Paul
October 12th, 2012
8:56 am
RB from Gwinnett
Just to clarify, you believe that at the moment of conception what exists is a child, no different in legal status from a ten-year-old?
Just want to make sure I understand your position before going further.
USMC
October 12th, 2012
8:56 am
More Bad news for the Obama Campaign…
Biden blames intelligence community for changing story about Libya attack…
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/261607-biden-blames-intelligence-community-for-changing-libya-story
–Obama Administration can’t seem to get story straight… Confusion and Cover up…
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
8:56 am
when did people become such wooses and bullying became the new buzz word?
Mick
October 12th, 2012
8:56 am
usmc
Gomer the lost lesser is really on a roll…your paris island flashbacks have taken a toll on reality..snap out of it man…ryan is a far right winger who does not possess the mittsiah’s ability to tack left and be all things to all people – they need a divorce…
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
8:57 am
OK, gotta go make money!
Thank gawd, the Bush Depression is behind us.
And keep on rolling, you Obama Recovery!
Later, taters…
RB from Gwinnett
October 12th, 2012
8:57 am
Stevie ray, it matters to me because somebody has to stand up for children who have no voice of their own. I really couldn’t care less what Mary Elizabeth does to her own body, but that’s not now and never has been what the issue is about. The issue is about her right to kill a child.
Jm
October 12th, 2012
8:57 am
Jay mustve needed to sleep in after the debate
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:58 am
The question is not “when does life begin?”, but are you proposing that all Americans bow down to your religious beliefs regarding that question? REALLY???
You Cons are truly clueless about where America stands on personal freedom from YOUR religious beliefs!
independent thinker
October 12th, 2012
8:58 am
Most enlightening was the tax plan debate. Obama’s plan is clear and makes sense and is based on clinton tax rates for the rich when the economy was booming. Romney’s plan became a bigger train wreck after last night. Ryan did not dispute the 5 trillion dollar cut and the huge increase in defense spending the way Romney did.WhenRyan was repeatedly asked to name the tax deductions that would offset that decrease in revenue Ryan just came up with the usual nonsense about “trust me” even if the math does not work. I do not remember Sara Palin talking herself into a corner that bad on substantive issues and plans of her team.
Sorry about Joe’s mannerism but when you are dealing with bold face liars and hypocrites it is exasperrating.Loved the look on Ryan’s face when he was confronted on letters he wrote for the stimulus money.
Yeah lyin Ryan is full of a bunch of stuff but sure is smooth and slick when spewing it out.If you are one of the sheep I’m sure you loved his demeanor even if there was no substance.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:58 am
Luv to spend me some time with mary in the car for 10 hours on a trip. I know I would arrive a better man for it.
nude dude
October 12th, 2012
8:59 am
Victory for Biden ??? Are you kidding me ? When radical islam plans to eliminate the POTUS in order to have smiling Joe succeed him (because they know he’s a blithering idiot), what does that say about your #2 man ????
Joseph
October 12th, 2012
8:59 am
JamVet:
Ryan won… Same thing I said last night…. Now change your diaper and step back in to reality….
USMC
October 12th, 2012
9:00 am
“Gomer the lost lesser is really on a roll…your paris island flashbacks have taken a toll on reality..snap out of it man…ryan is a far right winger who does not possess the mittsiah’s ability to tack left and be all things to all people – they need a divorce…”–Mickey Mouse
Morning Mick, I didn’t know Florida had already legalized Marijuana…
You know isn’t healthy to Wake N’ Bake…
Jm
October 12th, 2012
9:00 am
“Some of us are getting concerned about you.”
Lame
Mary Elizabeth
October 12th, 2012
9:00 am
Its ME, 8:56 am
“when did people become such wooses and bullying became the new buzz word?”
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If you think that persons who deliberately try to demean others is not bullying and that speaking against that inherent injustice is being “wooses,” then you need to examine your own sensibilites with more depth.
Peter
October 12th, 2012
9:00 am
Welcome to more Voodoo Economics via Romney and Ryan……… 14% is fine with Romney ….gosh I would love to have that tax rate.
The plan is to grow the economy….. via talk I guess….. ” working together “……Gee when has that happened in the last 4 years ?
Once Obama got his heath care package in place…… our “Hero” last president’s election loser vowed to not work with the Democrat’s again !
Yup Republican’s want the power, but don’t care about American’s.it is all about getting the black guy out of the White House.not the American people !
Voodoo Economics………. what is the Plan……. there is No plan….. just “we will work with the other side”…… kind of like Deficits don’t matter, and Mission Accomplished. ALL TALK !
Joseph
October 12th, 2012
9:00 am
I’m wondering if the MSM will be diligent in checking Biden’s comments because many were simply false….
Welcome to the Occupation
October 12th, 2012
9:01 am
Stevie Ray: I agree with you..Rome is definitely burning..especially in the ME..we have a pile of evidence confirming BO’s failure of foreign policy
Is Rome really burning, Stevie?
How do you mean exactly?
What’s the reason for the panic here?
Paul
October 12th, 2012
9:02 am
RB from Gwinnett
Still there? Before going further, given you believe life begins at conception and that constitutes a ‘child,’ do you view that ‘child’ as having the same legal status as a ten-year-old?
Mick
October 12th, 2012
9:02 am
When you listen to romney/ryan, they come across like if they are elected snap your fingers cuz the economy is going to boom – untruth! or that snap your fingers and the world will fear and respect us more – another untruth. It takes hard work and the economy is definately trending positive. We cannot control every event and are not the masters of the world; as soon as this mindset is buried, the better…
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
9:02 am
do you think mary has that 45 rpm record of ” I am woman, here me roar”……..Was it Helen Reddy???
USMC
October 12th, 2012
9:02 am
“Jay mustve needed to sleep in after the debate”
I think Jay had NIGHTMARES of Uncle Festor… err… I mean Joe Biden!
Or maybe Jay needed time off after realizing that the “Good Ship Obama” has hit a massive Ice Berg and is taking on water…
moonbat betty
October 12th, 2012
9:03 am
Biden reminded me of Jack Nicholson in move “The Shining” last night.
Hmmmmmmm
October 12th, 2012
9:03 am
shape shifter… I have been called worse… Guess your a Star Trek fan to, eh, Jam Vet…
@Mary Elizabeth
Woman’s rights as they pertain to innocent unborn babies, is just a little more complicated. To label anybody against women’s rights just because they are trying to protect innocent unborn babies is just ABSURD. You are smarter, I hope.
Native of Blog
October 12th, 2012
9:03 am
Thump. Thump. Thump. Whump thump. Whump thump. Whump thump.
Thump.
Thump.
We grow restless.