Liveblog: Biden, Ryan ready to rumble
UPDATE: 9:05 On a question about the Libyan attack, Biden does well, diverting it into the larger security question. Ryan handles his part ably as well, although this “weakness.”
Whoa… the malarkey card: “Everything he said is a bunch of malarkey,” says Biden. And then backs it up. A good, strong exchange, although Ryan comes across as a bit unseasoned.
UPDATE: 9:15 Ryan takes a hard, but unrealistic, line on Iran. He sounds like he’s repeating rehearsed lines, Biden sounds like he comprehends the issue.
Biden’s forcefulness working for him very well.
I wonder if President Obama is taking notes.
9:26: “We’re going in the wrong direction,” says Ryan. I don’t think that’s going to sell. “It’s late evening in America”?
Raddatz doing well as moderator, but I think the forum is easier. Sitting there at the table gives her more control. It’s a good exchange.
9:34 Medicare and Social Security. I think Joe just hit a home run on Medicare with seniors, which is his target audience on this topic.
Although Ryan is right about Biden interrupting.
9:50 Biden carrying the argument with a combination of passion and detail.
10:00 I don’t think Ryan/Romney’s argument for sticking in Afghanistan gets them anywhere. That time is past.
Ryan failed on Afghanistan, but it’s not necessarily his fault. The vague Romney position on Afghanistan, suggesting he’d stay longer, is just hard to defend after more than a decade of U.S. blood.
10:28 Ryan has held his own; he did a good job with what he was given. But this is a Biden victory. It’s not a slam dunk; it won’t alter the race much. But Biden’s conviction carried the day.
It may and should serve as a template for his boss. An interesting endnote: I don’t recall a veep debate in which the tops of the ticket, Romney and Obama in this case, were mentioned so seldom.
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Among other things, it’s going to be interesting to see how successful Joe Biden is in handcuffing Paul Ryan to the ardently conservative positions that he championed before joining the ticket, and how willing Ryan will be to slough off that identity in service of the newly moderate Mitt Romney.
Not to mention Biden’s proclivity for foot-chewing.
– Jay Bookman
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JetBuzz
October 12th, 2012
3:28 am
As a retired military officer, I was struck by VP Biden’s behavior. He was disrespectful of the debate process, he often appeared out of control with his gestures and expressions, he generally acted undignified and whacky, and he came across as a babbling buffoon mixing in facts, half-truths, and no-truth political spin.
That he’s today one step away from Commander in Chief is a chilling thought.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
6:04 am
Looks like the liveblogging here was fun, maybe I should’ve been here to paaahty as well, but…
anyway, one thing I haven’t seen from the comments worth mentioning–
I get the impression, most of the time that I see Joe Biden out in public, either stumping, or debating, or whatever–is that he’s enjoying this a great deal. And I think that’s a central part of his appeal; people like to watch performers who are, themselves, having a good time doing what they’re doing.
Ryan did a reasonable job holding his own, but I think Biden helped his side more, last night.
RB from Gwinnett
October 12th, 2012
6:04 am
After watching old Joe last night and the total disrespect he showed to Ryan, it’s pretty easy to see why there are no bipartisan deals getting done. If he will behave as he did on national tv, can you imagine working with him off camera? Me neither.
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October 12th, 2012
6:12 am
Good Friday morning all y’all…yeah, you too, cons…
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Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 12th, 2012
6:13 am
Heh, heh…
http://cheezburger.com/6663878912
Way to go Mr. Vice President
October 12th, 2012
6:14 am
Biden shook up the Etch a Sketch last night!! Biden won hands down. The spin was he was smiling and interrupting Ryan. He just kept Ryan from continuing his lies. Way to go Biden. This should move the needle more in the President’s direction. Two more to go!!
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October 12th, 2012
6:18 am
I don’t care what side you are on…this is funny!
http://cheezburger.com/6659653120
The Joe Biden Workout
October 12th, 2012
6:19 am
Biden’s performance was aimed at one thing: painting the Romney and Ryan agenda as a flim-flam operation. He did it with style as much as substance. Looking directly at the camera, he said, “folks, follow your instincts,” in the middle of an argument about whether Romney’s tax plan added up. Before the debate, a Romney staffer had said one of the things that had worked well for the GOP nominee a week ago was that while voters may not have understood his policy ideas, he sounded like he understood them, which gave viewers confidence in the candidate. Biden was trying to make the same kind of transference. If he could convey exasperation and frustration with Ryan’s lack of specificity, the plans that didn’t add up, and the broader claims from the Republican team, perhaps he’d be able to make people doubt the entire Republican enterprise.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/10/vp_debate_joe_biden_tried_to_re_energize_democrats_with_his_attacks_digs.html
Energized the Democrat Base
October 12th, 2012
6:21 am
Biden won the debate, but it was a qualified victory. He energized Democrats who had been down in the dumps since the president’s supine performance, but he also energized Republicans who found him rude and dishonest. Swing voters might have been turned off, too. But it probably doesn’t matter since they’re going to vote for the top of the ticket. It was close in the post-debate polls of undecided voters. In a CBS poll, 50 percent thought Biden had won; only 31 percent thought the same of Ryan. In the CNN poll, 48 percent thought Ryan won. Only 44 percent thought Biden came out on top.
There’s an old line attributed to Bill Clinton: It’s hard for the other guy to talk when your fist is in his mouth. Biden was up to his elbow. That thrilled Democrats. Speaking of himself, Barack Obama said that he was “too polite” in the first debate. No one will say that of Joe Biden.
DownInAlbany
October 12th, 2012
6:38 am
I hate to beat a dead horse, but, did you see that the unemployment numbers that were being trumpeted here yesterday did not include California? How convenient!
DownInAlbany
October 12th, 2012
6:42 am
It’s hard for the other guy to talk when your fist is in his mouth. Biden was up to his elbow. That thrilled Democrats
I don’t think his antics played well with the swing votes. I think we see a continued swing to R/R in the next week…
Shawny
October 12th, 2012
6:46 am
Gads, that Biden is a pompous arse. Ryan should have knocked out those chicklets.
Energized the Democrat Base
October 12th, 2012
6:49 am
It has been said that Biden interrupted Ryan several times…but can it also be noted that Ryan got so nervous that he had to keep drinking water. At one time it looked as if the glass was empty and he was just going through the motions.
Brosephus™
October 12th, 2012
7:13 am
Looking at all this fluff about Biden is funny. I watched part of the last section of the debate. I find it hilarious that Ryan tried to paint this administration for a lack of leadership, but when he was asked specifically about what deductions he’d eliminate, his answer is that he would defer to Congress. Dude couldn’t answer the question even though he was asked for specifics several times.
It must really suck to have to back an empty ticket just to justify your hatred for Obama/Democrats.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
7:15 am
Weeks ago I commented that this debate would be like
Sheriff Andy schooling Eddie Haskell….
I was right.
Three cheers for Vice President Joe Biden.
Jay
October 12th, 2012
7:18 am
Somebody here is spamming under multiple IDs.
That person should stop.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 12th, 2012
7:22 am
“Somebody here is spamming under multiple IDs.”
What? Mitt is here???
clem
October 12th, 2012
7:24 am
jetbuzz, thanks for service to country, but having a neocon influenced team of romney ryan is more dangersous than joe gjoing over the top because he perceives rr as habitual fibbers……joe exasperated with their inaccuracies and also because his boss got his clock cleaned by a flip flopper that makes john kerry look bedrock…
chaney, senor, bolton are chickenhawks
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 12th, 2012
7:25 am
Judge James Gray won the intelligent vote.
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I can see now why the other two state-sponsored puppet clowns didn’t want to debate him.
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lol
walt
October 12th, 2012
7:25 am
Perhaps when Joe retires from politics he can get a job at the U ofDelaware teaching a course in Pomposity
vince
October 12th, 2012
7:27 am
I am one of those undecided Independent voters.
Debates are not so much about the issues as they are the subliminal personality traits of the debaters. The VP is, as everyone expected, quite the buffoon, isn’t he? (not to mention rude)
Could anyone really see him in a presidential role? YIKES!
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
7:28 am
Has anyone brought up the contrasting styles vis a vis the closing statements?
Biden went for what seemed like an improvised, off-the-cuff, let’s sum all this up approach. It may have meandered a bit, so it wasn’t 100% effective, but it got the job done.
Ryan looked as though he were reading off a teleprompter. Obviously he wasn’t, but just as obviously, it was an incredibly canned response. It *was* a good one, mind you; it also got the job done.
Lord Help Us
October 12th, 2012
7:28 am
Is Robert Bjork really a Romney adviser?
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
7:31 am
So here’s my sporting-analogy take on the race so far.
Two weeks ago, Team Obama was going into the fourth quarter up by seven. (that’s not my personal take, that’s what the experts said, odds-wize.)
After the first Presidential debate, Obama had clearly thrown an interception, and I’d say at this point Biden succeeded in holding them to a field goal. Obama’s just up by four now, but still in the lead, and another field goal isn’t going to win it for the other side (but it won’t hurt, and they’ll still have time left to win.)
Obama’s got the ball back; we’ll see how this next possession goes next week, I guess.
GTJohn
October 12th, 2012
7:32 am
I sure hope Bork is a Romney advisor – he is one of the greatest Constitutional Scholars of our time. However, I would doubt that anyone on this blog would understand or even care about the Constitution as it conflicts with their desires for the give-me crowd.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
7:32 am
Lord Help Us, yes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamie-raskin/robert-bork-mitt-romneys_b_1846740.html
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
7:34 am
Bork is a counsel. Not Bjork…. far as I know.
Although anything’s possible I guess.
TaxPayer
October 12th, 2012
7:34 am
Biden kept calling out Lyin’ Ryan for lyin’. Good job, Biden.
Frederick Douglass
October 12th, 2012
7:34 am
Normal @ 7:22 am
Now you’ve done it; because of your comments I just spit coffee in my wife’s face!
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
7:36 am
Most disturbing thing I saw last night, and this is hard to say, but we need to keep Obama healthy and safe until Romney is sworn in……..Geez, Biden is just an old fool who has been in Washington way to long and couldn’t find reality with Daniel Boone helping him.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
7:36 am
For all the tough, manly man talk….seems Congressman Ryan got his
fee-fees hurt.
I heard yesterday that as part of the debate negotiations the Ryan camp
required that he be referred to as “Mr.” Ryan not “Congressman” Ryan.
What is Congressman Ryan ashamed of?
alex
October 12th, 2012
7:36 am
A Demcocrat is happier today, a swing voter is well rested because they got tired of the histrionics, a republican is relieved. Biden has stemmed the the bleed. A young congressman from wisconsin has revealed the next 4 weeks tatics and D. Wasserman can no longer claim being the center of the democratic world-we are all delighted with that!
I’m against anyone clem and his brilliant narrative is for…..
Citizen of the World
October 12th, 2012
7:37 am
I can totally see Joe Biden in the presidential role. For one thing, he knows how to answer a question instead of just recite talking points.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
7:38 am
I sure hope Bork is a Romney advisor
I doubt Robert Bork polls above Hitler in favorability with the general public.
Get Real
October 12th, 2012
7:39 am
I wonder if the effect of Biden’s crazy pills have worn off; what a turn off for anyone watching on TV, radio may be different….
I have never seen someone so rude, arrogant and openly hostile in an presidential or vice-presidential debate. It is one think to be confident and assertive but Biden’s visuals were not a plus for the democrats. That said, in the bigger picture it probably does not matter…
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 12th, 2012
7:39 am
Can someone explain to me why Ryan wants to throw more U.S. soldiers into harms way rather than let the U.S. trained Afghan fighters do the job?
Eric
October 12th, 2012
7:40 am
LMAO.
Now I see how Ol’ Joe got the VP job.
Barry had to search long and hard to find someone not as “bright” as him.
Go have another shot and go to bed, Joe.
Rightwing Troll
October 12th, 2012
7:40 am
It was Biden by a nose… I still can’t bring myself to dislike Ryan… I think I might actually have a man crush on him…
Anyway to all you whining wingnut pu$$ies moaning about Joe being assertive and leaning forward, he was no more so than Money Boo Boo was last week, you had no issue with it then… at least in this fashion you tards are consistent, you had no issues with W’s runaway spending and tanking the economy, but you scream like a stuck pig over the bills due that Obama has to pay…
Fred ™
October 12th, 2012
7:41 am
Hmmmmmm under moderation.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 12th, 2012
7:42 am
Granny – “What is Congressman Ryan ashamed of?”
Probabaly that 10% Congressional approval rating. My guess is that he wanted to be sure that no one remembered that he is actually part of Congress.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
7:42 am
I don’t know how things could get worse….but with Joe in charge, they could……But I think Joe is being a good soldier. I’m sure at night in Bed, he tells his wife, Boy this Kenyan has screwed things up.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
7:43 am
I can totally see Joe Biden in the presidential role.
I was about the farthest thing from a Biden fan prior to the 2008 primary races. He had a rep for being in the pockets of sleazy credit card companies.
But he won me over (particularly with his “noun, verb & 9/11″ gag[1]), and I’m glad he’s on Obama’s team. Furthermore, if the unthinkable were to happen, I have every confidence that he’d be a competent caretaker as President (although I’m not sure he’d want to run in 2016).
—
1. what was great about his swipe at Rudy, was that it made it socially acceptable, finally, after far too many years, to mock people who were continuing to exploit 9/11 for their own political gain. Better six years too late than never, I always say.
b-troll
October 12th, 2012
7:44 am
oh come on now.
Joe is likable enough…..
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82313.html?hp=t3_3
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
7:44 am
Butch….Same reason Obama has announced a withdrawal date and letting our brave men and women sit over there for months and be murdered one by one.
Get Real
October 12th, 2012
7:45 am
Troll…if you found Biden’s demeanor to be remotely similar to Romney from the prior debate then you are way off base…not even close, but then again the liberals on this blog are not the objective, it is the independents. For them, I would be very interested to see their reaction as Biden was a complete turn off visually….
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
7:47 am
“I can totally see Joe Biden in the presidential role.”
Me too.
Congressman Ryan. Not so much.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
7:47 am
I have never seen someone so rude, arrogant and openly hostile in an presidential or vice-presidential debate.
Really? it’s kind of hard to beat Cheney leading with an outright lie about never having met John Edwards prior to the debate. That’s pretty damn rude, in my book anyway.
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October 12th, 2012
7:47 am
Frederick Douglass
October 12th, 2012
7:34 am
Sorry…
Mick
October 12th, 2012
7:47 am
There always was a withdrawal date for afghanistan, unless one thinks we can stay there for perpetuity…
TaxPayer
October 12th, 2012
7:47 am
BORK! Or Borg.
The Secretary of Labor had decided that the Act’s requirement that employers must provide workers “employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards” meant that American Cynamid had to “fix the workplace” through industrial clean-up rather than “fix the employees” by sterilizing or removing all women workers of child-bearing age. Bork strongly disagreed. He wrote an opinion for his colleagues apparently endorsing the view that other clean-up measures were not necessary or possible and that the sterilization policy was, in any event, a “realistic and clearly lawful” way to prevent harm to the women’s fetuses.
That sounds like the sort of scum Romney would want on his side.
TiredOfIt
October 12th, 2012
7:48 am
Why wasn’t Ryan wearing his baseball hat backwards for the debates. It would have went well with the rest of his stupid looks and lies. What a punk.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
7:48 am
I understand the polling shows Vice President Biden won the independents
by quite a healthy margin.
b-troll
October 12th, 2012
7:48 am
“I can totally see Joe Biden in the presidential role. ”
I can’t. He laughs about everything, including people getting killed in Syria. Serious topics require a serious response.
I won’t vouch for the quality of any of Ryan’s answers. Joe was so cavalier with topics of huge importance. It’s hard for me to take him seriously when he doesn’t ever take himself seriously.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 12th, 2012
7:48 am
I’m a liberal – “Same reason Obama has announced a withdrawal date and letting our brave men and women sit over there for months and be murdered one by one.”
So because Obamas policies in Afghanistan may not be the best, Ryan should just throw more U.S. bodies on the fire? Nice of you to promote using our soldiers as kindling.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 12th, 2012
7:49 am
“I can totally see Joe Biden in the presidential role.”
Me too, in fact, if Ryan was President there would be no America any more.
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
7:49 am
I have never seen someone so rude, arrogant and openly hostile, blah, blah, blah…
Don’t know if Joltin’ Joe was going rogue or if this was by design, but either way it is brilliant.
The Dems have played patsies to the GOP thugs for way too long.
Start b*tch slapping a few more Eddie Munsters around and show that you are serious about giving the cretins some of their own medicine.
And watching our crybabies cons turn UP the waterworks is just bonus…
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
7:49 am
Luntz had the independents on last night. They thought of substance it was basically a draw, but most thought Joe wasted a good opportunity being a rude jerk….But, He had a assignment, to cover his boss for a piss poor performance and change the conversation in the media, and to that, he did his job.
Get Real
October 12th, 2012
7:49 am
Stands…I do not expect you to see it that way, again it is the independents that will dictate who wins, not the base on either side
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
7:50 am
Same reason Obama has announced a withdrawal date
this bullsh-t again?
Do I have to bring up how those wimpy, wishy-washy, hatin’-on-their-troops ISRAELIs announced a withdrawal date a year in advance, when they decided to leave Lebanon in 2000? (They actually wound up leaving earlier than their announced date, turns out.)
Get Real
October 12th, 2012
7:51 am
Jammie, glad you enjoyed Biden making a fool of himself, to bad it will backfire with independents….
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
7:51 am
No Butch…..You are over thinking with your starbucks and Rolling Stone Mag this morning. Get them the F____out of there NOW…….
TiredOfIt
October 12th, 2012
7:52 am
1st place – Biden
2nd place – Raddatz
3rd – Ryan
Lord Help Us
October 12th, 2012
7:52 am
Ryan wants more US soldiers in the most dangerous parts of Afghanistan?
Biden’s reply that Afghan’s are taking their place and asking Ryan if he would rather have US soldiers instead was, IMO, a revealing part of the debate.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 12th, 2012
7:53 am
Jam,
This GOP complaining about Joe makes me remember a bully I once knew. Pushed just a little too far, I decided to take my chances and I decked him. He sat on the ground, looked up at me and said, I kid you not, “What’d you do that for?” That’s the GOP…they can dish it but they can’t take it.
b-troll
October 12th, 2012
7:53 am
“So because Obamas policies in Afghanistan may not be the best, Ryan should just throw more U.S. bodies on the fire? Nice of you to promote using our soldiers as kindling.”
Butch, you can do better…..
Get Real
October 12th, 2012
7:54 am
Have a good day everyone and a better weekend, off to make a buck..
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 12th, 2012
7:55 am
I’m a liberal – “You are over thinking with your starbucks and Rolling Stone Mag this morning. Get them the F____out of there NOW…….”
Change that to Kona and the WSJ and you’re half way there. As to the pulling the troops out now, why do you advocate cutting ties with our allied forces. You remember the allies, they were the ones who Bush to F___ Off right before we marched into Iraq. Remember how well that turned out for us?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
7:55 am
Lord help us…..You missed Ryans entire point. If you are going to expose OUR men and women to battle, give them the numbers and tools they need…..and in case you have been stoned lately, Our Men and Women are being murdered almost daily BY AFGANS in uniform.
alex
October 12th, 2012
7:56 am
@ granny, after Willie B. passed, you now think Biden is good with independents, PRICELESS!!
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 12th, 2012
7:56 am
b-troll – “Butch, you can do better…..”
Unfortunately, I’m only as good the material I have to work with.
b-troll
October 12th, 2012
7:59 am
hhhoooooheeehahhahaaaaahoooohaaaaa
#theLaughingBiden
he sounded like a liberal Bookman blogger
Ken
October 12th, 2012
7:59 am
This is what counts ; FLORIDA: R 51% 0 44%…
b-troll
October 12th, 2012
8:00 am
“Unfortunately, I’m only as good the material I have to work with.”
Well then, get some new material!
TaxPayer
October 12th, 2012
8:00 am
Paul Ryan should enlist and lead by example.
Hmmmmmmm
October 12th, 2012
8:00 am
9:34 Medicare and Social Security. I think Joe just hit a home run on Medicare with seniors, which is his target audience on this topic.
Home run, surely you jest… He sounded like a USED car salesman. I mean, I apologize for the cut on used car salesman, but Biden was similar to those oil snake salesman that would say anything and everything just to push his product. I’m not surprised that you give Biden the edge on this debate, it only validates your ignorance… When Biden looked at the audience and questioned the seniors about who would they trust, I almost fell out of my chair. If it weren’t so sad it would be funny!
I’m not sure we got much out of this debate other than the fact that Obama/Biden have NO successful record to run on. I am an independent voter who is probably going to vote for Romney. Obama has had his chance, and he failed.
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:00 am
Joe made a good start last night in exposing the LIES that the Romney/Ryan ticket are spewing out every day — good start, but we have more push-back to do until November!
Moving FORWARD with Obama/Biden in 2012!
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 12th, 2012
8:01 am
Ken – “This is what counts ; FLORIDA: R 51% 0 44%…”
That should get Romney to about 235 Electoral votes. He better start hammering VA and OH.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:01 am
By the way, you guys get to play the “I didn’t like his reactions to the stupid crap he was hearing!” card just once, and it done got played already.
TaxPayer
October 12th, 2012
8:01 am
The cons blogging here think they’re independents.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:02 am
I know there is a lot of wet underwear on here this morning, but Joe made you happy and his boss, But he didn’t do himself any favors with undecideds. Typical, ” We know what the hell we’re doing attitude”…..problem is the score card for the American people who look at things like REAL RESULTS, it ain’t good.
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:02 am
Woo-hoo — 4 more for 44!
kayaker 71
October 12th, 2012
8:02 am
I’d call it a draw. Joe was his same old bullying self while Ryan was trying to state his positions without being interrupted. Joe’s style might appeal to some but not to me. That smirk on his face was that of a rude person trying to dominate a conversation. Biden was very effective, however, in appealing to older voters who are afraid of losing some of their benefits. All in all, both were effective in their own ways although style points have to go to Ryan.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 12th, 2012
8:02 am
Get Real
October 12th, 2012
7:51 am
Jammie, glad you enjoyed Biden making a fool of himself, to bad it will backfire with independents….
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Ah…..Nope
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57531059/poll-biden-takes-debate-over-ryan-uncommitted-voters-say/
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
8:02 am
Normal, I say keep on dishing it!
Keeping the war-loving-from-afar cowards, Bush/Cheney chickenhawks and fake support the troops types from getting their invasion-oriented stooge in the White House is critical.
These d*psticks can’t play a decent game of Stratego much less run effetively the United States military…
Ask Osama bin Laden…
TiredOfIt
October 12th, 2012
8:03 am
Lord Help Us
October 12th, 2012
7:52 am
Ryan wants more US soldiers in the most dangerous parts of Afghanistan?
++
If Ryan wants more US soldiers. then I suggest he enlist.
Mick
October 12th, 2012
8:03 am
I wouldn’t exactly go to the bank with that florida poll number, a shift that big makes no sense…
Karl Childers
October 12th, 2012
8:03 am
It’s very sad when a Vice-President who acknowledges that his administration has “crushed” the middle class over the last four years can only smile and laugh at the resulting carnage.
Hmmmmmmm
October 12th, 2012
8:04 am
@Im a liberal
There are not many rational thinkers on this blog. Good luck explaining what Ryan meant to these morons. The point about the withdrawal was crystal clear to anybody with a brain…
Lord Help Us
October 12th, 2012
8:04 am
‘and in case you have been stoned lately, Our Men and Women are being murdered almost daily BY AFGANS in uniform.’
So, more of them over there will lead to less of our soldiers getting killed? Have you enlisted?
Lord Help Us
October 12th, 2012
8:05 am
‘The point about the withdrawal was crystal clear to anybody with a brain…’
Yes, we should turn this over the the Afghans and get out.
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:05 am
Don’t y’all love when the Veep confronted little Paul about his sending those letters to the White House asking for stimulus $$$ for Wisconsin??? And his letters also stated how the funds would create jobs for his state???
BWAAAAAA!
TaxPayer
October 12th, 2012
8:05 am
The Fox News cons came across as a bunch of cranky old men, as usual.
JamVet
October 12th, 2012
8:06 am
The cons blogging here think they’re independents.
Taxpayer, the one that really cracks me up is that rube with that word in his name who is such an embarrassment to the US Air Force.
The guy is about as moderate/independent as your average North Korean head of state!
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 12th, 2012
8:06 am
Hmmmmmmmm – “The point about the withdrawal was crystal clear to anybody with a brain…”
Well then perhaps you’ll enlighten all of us with your wisdom. Keeping in mind that Ryan said several times that both he and Romney support the 2014 exit date. Go on, I’m sure everyone is waiting to be dazzeled with your brilliance.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:06 am
How many wars do you want me to fight in to give you the right to spew here?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:08 am
Then why watch taxpayer. No BSNBC at you condo
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 12th, 2012
8:09 am
I’m a liberal – “How many wars do you want me to fight in to give you the right to spew here?”
I’m sure you will be informed of the length of your tour and what duty station you will be assigned to by your commanding officer. Why would you think that a blogger would have such authority?
Goldie
October 12th, 2012
8:09 am
And American women loved hearing little Paul state how “elected officials” should be the ones who decide whether abortion should be safe and legal — wow.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
October 12th, 2012
8:11 am
The war I fought in…… I was TOLD to go……These brave young men and women today are hero’s and deserve the full support of our commander in Chief…….Unlike our poor Ambassador got.
stands for decibels
October 12th, 2012
8:13 am
I guess I should point out the obvious, that Martha Raddatz is continuing a shameful tradition of subjecting candidates to exactly the sort of “religious test” deemed a no-no by our Constitution.
(and yes, I know that asking pointed questions on national TV about the candidates’ respective religious views isn’t quite in violation of the Firstie, but it certainly violates its spirit.)