Liveblog: Biden, Ryan ready to rumble
UPDATE: 9:05 On a question about the Libyan attack, Biden does well, diverting it into the larger security question. Ryan handles his part ably as well, although this “weakness.”
Whoa… the malarkey card: “Everything he said is a bunch of malarkey,” says Biden. And then backs it up. A good, strong exchange, although Ryan comes across as a bit unseasoned.
UPDATE: 9:15 Ryan takes a hard, but unrealistic, line on Iran. He sounds like he’s repeating rehearsed lines, Biden sounds like he comprehends the issue.
Biden’s forcefulness working for him very well.
I wonder if President Obama is taking notes.
9:26: “We’re going in the wrong direction,” says Ryan. I don’t think that’s going to sell. “It’s late evening in America”?
Raddatz doing well as moderator, but I think the forum is easier. Sitting there at the table gives her more control. It’s a good exchange.
9:34 Medicare and Social Security. I think Joe just hit a home run on Medicare with seniors, which is his target audience on this topic.
Although Ryan is right about Biden interrupting.
9:50 Biden carrying the argument with a combination of passion and detail.
10:00 I don’t think Ryan/Romney’s argument for sticking in Afghanistan gets them anywhere. That time is past.
Ryan failed on Afghanistan, but it’s not necessarily his fault. The vague Romney position on Afghanistan, suggesting he’d stay longer, is just hard to defend after more than a decade of U.S. blood.
10:28 Ryan has held his own; he did a good job with what he was given. But this is a Biden victory. It’s not a slam dunk; it won’t alter the race much. But Biden’s conviction carried the day.
It may and should serve as a template for his boss. An interesting endnote: I don’t recall a veep debate in which the tops of the ticket, Romney and Obama in this case, were mentioned so seldom.
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Among other things, it’s going to be interesting to see how successful Joe Biden is in handcuffing Paul Ryan to the ardently conservative positions that he championed before joining the ticket, and how willing Ryan will be to slough off that identity in service of the newly moderate Mitt Romney.
Not to mention Biden’s proclivity for foot-chewing.
– Jay Bookman
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Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:20 pm
Peter
Fock Obama is a lib silly
Get with the program
gm
October 11th, 2012
11:20 pm
For anybody think Mitt and Paul will get poor, middle class white dead in another war please vote for Mitt, Biden is for the middle class, now President Obama will close the show.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:20 pm
“Correction….make that two balls and one strike….biden came with a pair…”–Mick
Biden looked FAKE, ANGRY, DISHONEST and UNBALANCED….
Victory goes to ROMNEY/RYAN.
Recon 0311 2533
October 11th, 2012
11:21 pm
“Del is clueless as usual. Generally considered common knowledge”
Yes, among the commoners like keep up the food fight.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
11:21 pm
classless spoofing.
Glass house, meet stone.
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:22 pm
that black guy
It’s garbage like that which exposes the hatred beneath the surface – unacceptable!!!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
11:23 pm
Fock Obama is a lib silly
Fock Obama is jm
gm
October 11th, 2012
11:24 pm
That Black Guy
I guess the 90% of blacks who voted for Clinton and Carter and JFK are bigots? you right nut jobs are sick.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:24 pm
The telling sign that Biden was Unbalanced and overly nervous was his UNCONTROLLABLE, fake smile.
Soldier Mom
October 11th, 2012
11:25 pm
Biden did it. Now it will be up to Obama and I suspect it will be wildly different than what we saw last week. Game on. The sleeping monster has awakened.
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:25 pm
usmc
Ryan looked like a GEEKY, WONKY, GREENHORN. Where was the beef?
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
11:26 pm
fock obuma
October 11th, 2012
11:22 pm
HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A
LIB!!! I am as conservative
as it comes. I have sexual
fantasies about Nixon.
………..
from your nom de blog
you must fantasize about
Obama also.
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
11:26 pm
Everyone, please forgive me.
I responded to “fock” before I read *it’s* posts.
Sorry
dre
October 11th, 2012
11:27 pm
Jay. Even CNN is giving the advantage to Ryan. Lol. What were you watching? If possible, Biden became even more unlikable and came across as more incompetent than before.
gm
October 11th, 2012
11:27 pm
Two things you can count on the Ryan ticket, medicare vochers and more dead poor and middle class whites in another war.
Recon 0311 2533
October 11th, 2012
11:29 pm
“That’s why we love him…”
Buffoonery and hair plugs most of all. The drool aid cures everything for lib androids. Oh well, forever thus.
Doggone/GA
October 11th, 2012
11:29 pm
“I responded to “fock” before I read *it’s* posts.”
Yeah, well…hang in there. You’ll eventually develop an “ear” for posters who are just trying to provoke.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
11:30 pm
So Biden bullied Eddie?
Too funny.
Except for even more whining from the Cult of Victimhood Crybabies…
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
11:30 pm
gm
October 11th, 2012
11:24 pm
That Black Guy
I guess the 90% of blacks who voted for Clinton and Carter and JFK are bigots? you right nut jobs are sick.
___________________________________
gm, how many “right nut jobs” do you know that stood in line 4 hrs in 2008 to vote FOR Obama?
Does it really hurt when you are FORCED to think?
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:33 pm
del
More like some truth about medicare and foreign policy…hair plugs what does that really have to do with anything cuz your fixated…
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:35 pm
“Ryan looked like a GEEKY, WONKY, GREENHORN. Where was the beef?”–Mick
Mick, I love you, but you are clueless.
You are the only person in the world that still thinks Obama won last weeks debate.
You live the good life down there in Miami!
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:36 pm
Winning line of the night with moderates: “I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that, women, that they can’t control their body. It’s a decision between them and their doctor, in my view, and the Supreme Court. I’m not going to interfere with that.” ~ Biden
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:37 pm
CNN: Breaking News RYAN 48%……. Joe Biden 44%
VICTORY goes to Romney/Ryan!
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:39 pm
Um
Fock is definitely not jm
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:39 pm
RYAN ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS!
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:40 pm
Breaking News…USMC has nipped into the scotch a wee bit too much this evening.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:41 pm
That is interesting
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-poll-on-debate-winner-ryan-48-biden-44/?hpt=hp_t1
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:41 pm
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:40 pm
Breaking News…USMC has nipped into the scotch a wee bit too much this evening.
LinkReport this comment
- no such thing as too much scotch
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
11:41 pm
um
jm definitely doesn’t know who or what fock is.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:42 pm
Biden came across as an ANGRY Used Car Salesman with Bleached fake teeth and Hair Plugs!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
11:43 pm
That is interesting
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-poll-on-debate-winner-ryan-48-biden-44/?hpt=hp_t1
Also posted 4 minutes before you did.
Not very observant, are you?
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:43 pm
” I don’t recall a veep debate in which the tops of the ticket, Romney and Obama in this case, were mentioned so seldom.”
I recall Ryan talking a bout romney’s charity and compassion
I don’t recall Biden doing a similar thing once
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:43 pm
BIDEN: It has never been done before.
RYAN: It’s been done a couple of times.
BIDEN: It has never been done before.
RYAN: Jack Kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. Ronald Reagan –
BIDEN: Oh, now you’re Jack Kennedy.
Who else was reminded of this? http://youtu.be/O-7gpgXNWYI
Cheesy Grits
October 11th, 2012
11:43 pm
Biden won big on the CBS poll by 20 points.
Biggest thing coming out of the debate will be that women will now understand that under Romney/Ryan they will have less control over their own reproductive decisions.
The Government will do that for them.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:43 pm
“- no such thing as too much scotch”
I second that!
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:44 pm
usmc
I don’t think obama “won” the debate last week…I think romneyclaus agreed about not cutting anything yet magically reducing the debt? Well, he was specific about cutting pbs…in the end there are no real winners, only spinners…
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:44 pm
Kamspam
Keep doing your thing
No one cares but you
clem
October 11th, 2012
11:45 pm
reason biden smiled is all the bs ryan spouted…..what should he have done? hang his head and not react….ryan when he disagreed with biden’s point did not bare his teeth, but instead smirked…..
biden beat ryan i’d say 55-45 but both bases will be pleased.
think the cnn poll makes you wonder about america……..
does anyone in their right mind think the great recession coutd have been turned around (with repub intrasigence) in 4 years….
don’t think uk doing all that well with consers in power and they had olympics to stir economy.
can’t see his tax returns, can’t see details of tax plan (mortgages on the table but not carried interest), can’t get straight answer on abortion, couldn’t spell out any significant differences on syria etal……
what is the expression ….trust the devil you know
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:45 pm
Jm,
“- no such thing as too much scotch”
Depending on the particular poison, I’ll concede the point
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:46 pm
“Breaking News…USMC has nipped into the scotch a wee bit too much this evening.”–Jewcowboy
That was pretty Darn FUNNY, Jewcowboy! Seriously.
I don’t care how wrong you are with your politics!
Cheesy Grits
October 11th, 2012
11:46 pm
Also Biden scored big with the stimulus.
Ryan criticized it but then had to admit he asked for stimulus funds himself.
Goes hand in hand with Romney who will take whatever position suits him at the moment.
clem
October 11th, 2012
11:49 pm
that dumb ship ryan voted for the repub version of stimulus that was 700bil 85% of what passed but clearly not enough by many economists that support keynesian policies
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:49 pm
The moderator was good but the catholic question was strange….and effective. Two catholics with polar opposite views on abortion. As a retired catholic, I come squarely down in the biden wing, he nailed it while ryan wants more gov’t between a personal decision…
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:50 pm
Breaking News: MSNBC is calling the debate for Ryan!
You guys are done!
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:50 pm
“I love that, I love that. This is such a bad program and he writes me a letter saying — writes the Department of Energy a letter saying — the reason we need this stimulus, it will create growth and jobs. His words. And now he’s sitting here looking at me. I wish he would just tell the — be a little more candid.” ~ Biden
But but…Ryan’s the only person that can bring “honesty” to the country.
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:51 pm
usmc
Who might fox be calling it for? Hmmmm…
Its ME
October 11th, 2012
11:52 pm
Jay you asshat. if a hard core partisan like u says biden barely won all i hate to say it AWESOME
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:52 pm
JOE BIDEN= The Bionic Used Car Salesman Smile!
Biden has a bright future in DENTURE commercials!
clem
October 11th, 2012
11:53 pm
usmc, i just flipped it there, msnbc, you must be drunk
cnn 48/44 ryan
cbs 50/31 biden on undecided votes
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:53 pm
CNN/ORC poll: 48% of registered voters watching debate say Ryan won. 44% say Biden won. Sampling error is +/- 5%.
Cheesy Grits
October 11th, 2012
11:54 pm
Jay you asshat. if a hard core partisan like u says biden barely won all i hate to say it AWESOME
Is that English?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
11:54 pm
MSNBC is calling the debate for Ryan!
When you have to lie to make a point, you have no point.
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:55 pm
Very bad decorum to come on here and call the host names. Someone’s parents failed them.
Cheesy Grits
October 11th, 2012
11:55 pm
Fifty percent of uncommitted voters who tuned into Thursday night’s vice presidential debate in Danville, Ky., said they see Vice President Joe Biden as the winner over Mitt Romney’s GOP running mate Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., according to an instant poll taken by CBS News.
Of the 431 polled immediately following the debate, 31 percent deemed Ryan the winner, and 19 percent said they felt it was a tie. Party-wise it’s a switch from last week’s presidential debate, which uncommitted voters handed easily to Romney over President Obama.
Biden won.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
11:55 pm
Well, now that this “debate’ proves that the election is obviously going to go to Team Sudden Reversal, you cons have blown your chance at easy money.
Rubes…
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:56 pm
CNN: Undecided Voted are 8 high points for RYAN and 5 High points for BIDEN…
No Drudgey Spam, Ladies!
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:56 pm
Well, enough already, the spin is on and on and on……
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:57 pm
“usmc, i just flipped it there, msnbc, you must be drunk”
Sorry, I meant CNN… Ryan 48% to Bidens 44%….same difference!
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
11:57 pm
Joseph poll – 100% of registered Josephs say Ryan won and UGA wins fifth national championship
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:58 pm
“8 high points”
Ahhhh…so it’s not scotch you’re ingesting this evening.
Cheesy Grits
October 11th, 2012
11:59 pm
A CBS instant poll taken immediately after tonight’s vice presidential debate found that Vice President Joe Biden handily beat Republican hopeful Paul Ryan among a group of undecided voters.
Biden got 50 percent of the vote, whereas Ryan earned 31 percent. Nineteen percent said it was a tie.
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:59 pm
And yes… USMC…we know it’s for your glaucoma.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 12th, 2012
12:00 am
Sorry, I meant CNN…
Caught in a lie and can’t walk it back.
gm
October 12th, 2012
12:01 am
For all you war hawks on the right did you hear Paul said we should send more troops in danger zone oppose to Afghanistan: troops? wow just what America needs more dead soldiers.
USMC
October 12th, 2012
12:01 am
Laughing Joe looks like the Joker on Batman… Bad Plastic Surgery!
clem
October 12th, 2012
12:02 am
cnn the organization that is tanking …..yea, i belleve them, not
Let Detroit Go Bankrupt!
October 12th, 2012
12:02 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s&ob=av2e
USMC
October 12th, 2012
12:03 am
“And yes… USMC…we know it’s for your glaucoma.”–JC
LOL! You are on a roll tonight!
I love all of these Libs whining because they KNOW that RYAN won the debate!
BIDEN = LOSER!
Cheesy Grits
October 12th, 2012
12:03 am
For all you war hawks on the right did you hear Paul said we should send more troops in danger zone oppose to Afghanistan: troops? wow just what America needs more dead soldiers.
They will keep those wars going forever.
Its time for those boys to come home.
Jm (LL)
October 12th, 2012
12:03 am
cheers folks, I’m out
USMC – scotch is a wonderful invention
clem
October 12th, 2012
12:03 am
and if we could put Ryan’s ears on boats we wouldn’t need sails
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
12:04 am
jamvet is a bad person who kicks puppies and hates the colroed folk
Cheesy Grits
October 12th, 2012
12:04 am
Laughing Joe looks like the Joker on Batman… Bad Plastic Surgery!
The only clown here is you.
Oscar
October 12th, 2012
12:05 am
hates the colroed folk
________
What color does he hate. Red, yellow, brown, pink, ruddy. We need to be specific here.
jewcowboy
October 12th, 2012
12:05 am
“Bad Plastic Surgery!”
Hey…not everyone can have tickets to the gun show.
http://www.upworthy.com/why-would-you-ever-do-this-if-youre-running-for-vice-president?c=bl3
Cheesy Grits
October 12th, 2012
12:06 am
Biden won. Handily.
Obama will get a bump in the next few days as seniors and women move back towards his ticket.
The 47 percent thing is going to end up costing Romney the election.
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
12:06 am
biden does have some sexy teeth!
USMC
October 12th, 2012
12:06 am
“Joseph poll – 100% of registered Josephs say Ryan won and UGA wins fifth national championship”–Jamvet
The desperation is oozing!
It sucks when you know YOUR guy lost and his Boss got Shellacked last week!
BOZO is done!
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
12:07 am
im thinking aqua and and purple
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
12:08 am
if obama dies we have this buffoon as pres HOLY ST*&
USMC
October 12th, 2012
12:09 am
Breaking News: Rush Limbaugh calls Ryan the winner of the debate!
clem
October 12th, 2012
12:12 am
i think you like ryan because he is a slightlly better looking gomer pyle
jewcowboy
October 12th, 2012
12:13 am
G’night all. And USMC…seriously…put down the spliff.
http://youtu.be/Azf320JDdqU
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
12:15 am
jewcowboy
October 12th, 2012
12:13 am
G’night all. And USMC…seriously…put down the spliff.
http://youtu.be/Azf320JDdqU
seriously i suggest suicide
getalife
October 12th, 2012
12:16 am
ryan said they are open to stay in Afghanistan.
That is breaking news for tomorrow.
clem
October 12th, 2012
12:17 am
maybe usmc can reup
John
October 12th, 2012
12:19 am
Biden came across as a petulant child. He obviously memorized his talking points. And, it’s equally obvious that he was overly aggressive to compensate for Obama’s pathetic debate last week. In all, I thought Biden was a lunatic. The Dems will be leaving office in January. These guys are in way over their heads.
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
12:20 am
there are multiple people i could care less if they live or die
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
12:22 am
Jay, suicide is an option for u too!
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
12:32 am
fudge and poop
slapshot
October 12th, 2012
12:32 am
Biden’s pompous, typical liberal left wing snide and wacky attitude lost him the debate, even if he had 30 years “experience” on Ryan. Deal with it libs. You people should have chosen Hillary, but you let your media choose your candidate in 2008. Oh and by the way, I’ll take Bush’s average 5.1% unemployment rate 2004-2008 (BLS, see below) back and $2 gas prices and cheaper food and energy bills ANY day of the week over what we have now.
2004
5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4
2005
5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.9
2006
4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
2007
4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
2008
5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.1 6.5 6.8 7.3
2009
7.8 8.3 8.7 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.8 10.0 9.9 9.9
2010
9.7 9.8 9.8 9.9 9.6 9.4 9.5 9.6 9.5 9.5 9.8 9.4
2011
9.1 9.0 8.9 9.0 9.0 9.1 9.1 9.1 9.0 8.9 8.7 8.5
2012
8.3 8.3 8.2 8.1 8.2 8.2
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
12:33 am
jay if u die who is going to take ur job stuart smalley?
Doggone/GA
October 12th, 2012
12:39 am
It takes a special kind of weird to come here and address comments to someone you know perfectly well isn’t even here.
Appleseed
October 12th, 2012
12:52 am
A wet behind the ears preppy,and with those ears it would take lots of Boehners tears just to cause a dampness.Obama,Biden 4 more years.Loved it.
RF
October 12th, 2012
12:58 am
slapshot: would you go back to the sudden, calamitous fall of the economy under Bush because his buddies on Wall St. went nuts and ended up collapsing most folks retirement, savings, and home investments? If you had an investment account, what was it worth after the Bush years? Looked good until about the middle of ‘08 and probably bled out over half its value. Just look at home values alone. My house, a modest 3/2 about 25 years old, lost 40k in value in one year. Yeah, those Bush years were great. Gas, btw, was over $3 a gallon in Georgia by ‘07 (that’s the year I bought the Honda 4 cyl.) and is about where it was then. You can check on gasbuddy.com and find several charts that will show you the up and down for up to 8 years. The only nice fall in prices was late in ‘08 after the economy tanked.
Its ME
October 12th, 2012
1:01 am
dumbest board ever
Welcome to the Occupation
October 12th, 2012
1:05 am
slapshot, Bush was a runaway bus hurtling off a cliff into outright depression, financial ruin. Complete bankruptcy intellectually.
An observer
October 12th, 2012
1:55 am
Biden was the jerk he always is. The problem with Washington is people like Biden who scoff at others and are not interested in a reasonable discussion on the issues. All they want to do is score points for their side and disrespect the other guy.
getalife
October 12th, 2012
2:20 am
Joe set the record straight and sick of the gop and their media lies.
Media is crying about it because Joe made them look horrible and they are.
This epic smack down will live forever.
I am sick of their lies too so Joe is my hero.
aladawg
October 12th, 2012
3:10 am
All you moron liberals you are crazy as hell if you beleive biden won. That son of a bitch came off as the buffon that he is. All that smirk laughing and just being a stupid ass hole. Your damn obumer is going down. Check the polls tomorrow to see who won, it won’t be biden.