Liveblog: Biden, Ryan ready to rumble
UPDATE: 9:05 On a question about the Libyan attack, Biden does well, diverting it into the larger security question. Ryan handles his part ably as well, although this “weakness.”
Whoa… the malarkey card: “Everything he said is a bunch of malarkey,” says Biden. And then backs it up. A good, strong exchange, although Ryan comes across as a bit unseasoned.
UPDATE: 9:15 Ryan takes a hard, but unrealistic, line on Iran. He sounds like he’s repeating rehearsed lines, Biden sounds like he comprehends the issue.
Biden’s forcefulness working for him very well.
I wonder if President Obama is taking notes.
9:26: “We’re going in the wrong direction,” says Ryan. I don’t think that’s going to sell. “It’s late evening in America”?
Raddatz doing well as moderator, but I think the forum is easier. Sitting there at the table gives her more control. It’s a good exchange.
9:34 Medicare and Social Security. I think Joe just hit a home run on Medicare with seniors, which is his target audience on this topic.
Although Ryan is right about Biden interrupting.
9:50 Biden carrying the argument with a combination of passion and detail.
10:00 I don’t think Ryan/Romney’s argument for sticking in Afghanistan gets them anywhere. That time is past.
Ryan failed on Afghanistan, but it’s not necessarily his fault. The vague Romney position on Afghanistan, suggesting he’d stay longer, is just hard to defend after more than a decade of U.S. blood.
10:28 Ryan has held his own; he did a good job with what he was given. But this is a Biden victory. It’s not a slam dunk; it won’t alter the race much. But Biden’s conviction carried the day.
It may and should serve as a template for his boss. An interesting endnote: I don’t recall a veep debate in which the tops of the ticket, Romney and Obama in this case, were mentioned so seldom.
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Among other things, it’s going to be interesting to see how successful Joe Biden is in handcuffing Paul Ryan to the ardently conservative positions that he championed before joining the ticket, and how willing Ryan will be to slough off that identity in service of the newly moderate Mitt Romney.
Not to mention Biden’s proclivity for foot-chewing.
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
10:46 pm
Jay. What say you?
Scroll to the top of the page.
Cast your gaze to the live feed screen.
Read the update comments below.
Geez….
Jhunt163
October 11th, 2012
10:46 pm
I guess Kam didn’t watch the congressional testimony yesterday where Lt. Col. Wood testified he sent two requests for additional security. In all actually one request was just to not take away two of the three STS teams in place.
jack bull
October 11th, 2012
10:46 pm
time to go to bed, got to get up early and go to the middle class and see if they’ll hire me tomorrow.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
10:47 pm
Biden was a jerk?
Outstanding!
I’m beyond sick of these pansy Democrats.
They need to tell the neocons to FOAD…
The Mid-South Philosopher
October 11th, 2012
10:47 pm
Memo to Vice President Joe Biden
Mr. Vice President,
Owing to reasons which are sufficient to myself, I have never disrespected you or attempted to make you the object of ridicule, save the use of the colloquial version of your first name…”Joey”, which was always done with good humor.
HOWEVER, tonight you have OFFENDED me.
In you final response to a question by the moderator, you have asserted that the “only” “SACRED” duty of government was to take care of our TROOPS!
NOW, DON’T MISUNDERSTAND ME, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR TROOPS AND “VETERANS.” That is a “sacred duty”, but
there is a greater “sacred duty.”
It is to DEFEND AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES FROM ALL ENEMIES “FOREIGN” AND “DOMESTIC”!!!!
Mr. Vice President, you might want to remember that!
iggy
October 11th, 2012
10:47 pm
Tanks Steve.
TGT
October 11th, 2012
10:47 pm
Jay: “A solid win for Biden.”
Biden was like the angry old man (with a weird grin on his face): “Get off my lawn!!!”
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
10:48 pm
This debate was kind of like watchin your child in a school play.. u have to say they did good.. I guess thats what Biden will hear..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
10:48 pm
Joe Biden is currently en route to Andrew Sullivan’s house to softly rock him to sleep.
Heh, heh, heh.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:49 pm
fox is whining about ryan losing.
Hilarious.
Melt down.
You cons thought ryan would wipe the floor with Biden.
You lost.
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 11th, 2012
10:49 pm
seems like Biden came out a little ahead
Tall
October 11th, 2012
10:49 pm
…”All of them will dutifully take their marching orders from their paymasters on Wall Street..
JamVet:
Wall Street gave more campaign dollars to Obama in the last election. Then…well…Obama being Obama, be threw them under the bus.
Jealous Often?
October 11th, 2012
10:50 pm
After the catatonic Obama debate, I’m GLAD Biden went for the jugular and acted a little crazed. It’s called passion and it’s something the Republicans know nothing about!
bob
October 11th, 2012
10:50 pm
Steph cutter is on, does she ever open her mouth without lying ? Earlier she blamed Romney for the obo admin for the ambassador fiasco and now she just said the polls have not changed since ht elast debate.
Matti
October 11th, 2012
10:51 pm
nobodyyouknow,
I appreciate your frustration. Things are not what you’d hoped. The current climate is not what you need. But look at it this way: shrinkage vs. growth. The economy was shrinking fast. Shrinkage stopped. (Whew!) Growth began. Yes, it’s slow, but it’s growth. If you can’t fly back up the mountain, you have to climb it one step at a time. There’s no magic jet pack, Hon. No quick fix. But that does not mean we can’t get back up it. It just means it’s going to take longer and be harder than we thought. Growth is good, so keep pushing, and don’t let it keep you down, okay? A return to the policies that shoved us off the cliff… probably not the best solution. Hang in there!
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:51 pm
The close makes a big difference jay
Ryan lucked out and got last word
Ryan’s close was pretty darn strong
And it may outweigh the fact that Ryan was slightly worse in the debate
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:51 pm
NBC
Lots of Biden lies
Biden voted in favor of both wars
Recon 0311 2533
October 11th, 2012
10:52 pm
Once again Biden shows his smiling buffoonery for the upteenth time during his less than stellar political career.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:53 pm
NBC: a draw
Jealous Often?
October 11th, 2012
10:54 pm
Yeah, smiling buffoonery is the normal response to pathological obfuscation and distortion.
bob
October 11th, 2012
10:54 pm
Granny, why should the children lose out to the union when it comes to money ? 1.2 million in one district alone taken from the children and put in the pockets of the teachers union in Wisoonsin.
iggy
October 11th, 2012
10:55 pm
There was no slam dunk, defining moment from Biden. Ryan held his own, stumbled a few times, however, he did counter punch Biden.
Biden laughs, behaves like an idiot, but that is typical Joe. Ryan was cool, reserved, as is typical Ryan.
Would be a tie at best, however, since Biden couldnt derail Ryan. Ryan held his own against Biden, hence, win by default for Ryan.
In the long run though it probably wont matter much other than Ryan didnt blow it for Romney and Biden didnt blow it for Obama.
Would seem a tie
Granny Godzilla
October 11th, 2012
10:55 pm
Andrew Sullivan….
I’ll read him after a treat
La la
La la
…la la
Sweet dreams all.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
10:55 pm
Biden voted in favor of both wars
He didn’t win the 2008 nomination.
Geez….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
well fock, your time here will be short… so let me be the first to say…bye bye
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
NBC
VP debate meaningless
I agree, unless Ryan said something incredibly stupid
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
Honestly, this was a waste of time.
For the most part, on this blog, the “my party is right” crowd didn’t even pay attention to the ACTUAL debate.
Their guy could have FARTED their reply, and the PARTISAN IDIOTS would have said “He crushed him with that reply”.
PITIFUL!!!!
Mick
October 11th, 2012
10:56 pm
jm
Pretty good analysis….I think you were almost spot on….I don’t agree that ryan passed the president test but he held his own….glad neither of them is at the top of the ticket…
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:57 pm
And Ryan didn’t say anything stupid
bman
October 11th, 2012
10:57 pm
“I’m GLAD Biden went for the jugular and acted a little crazed. It’s called passion”
Chris Christie could rap and breakdance with passion, too. It wouldn’t make it look any prettier.
iggy
October 11th, 2012
10:57 pm
“Their guy could have FARTED their reply, and the PARTISAN IDIOTS would have said “He crushed him with that reply”.
LOL
Ruth Bronstein
October 11th, 2012
10:58 pm
Nice to see a Democrat be aggressive this time. I do wish Vice President Biden hadn’t been so quick to interrupt or to laugh or to seem condescending. I’m afraid that might hurt us with the independent voters. They tend not to like “smug”, and they’re going to be terribly important in a lot of key states this time.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
10:58 pm
Jm,
I could see people thinking Joe won the debate by a slight edge if he hadn’t been so rude and out of control. If you go by the transcript its even or Biden wins very slightly. But if you saw it and saw Biden who was completely without composure then you have to give it to Ryan. Joe Biden’s demeanor was horrific and certainly not presidential for a man one heartbeat away from the presidency. That’s going to go very poorly with independents. Very poorly.And that’s all that matters.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:59 pm
Mick, just trying to call it as I see it
Not sure whether anyone moved the needle tonight
The main thing was Ryan avoiding a big mistake, which he did
Only downside for ryan and Ryan didn’t blow it
USMC
October 11th, 2012
10:59 pm
Tonight’s Victory goes to ROMNEY!
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
11:00 pm
bman -”Chris Christie could rap and breakdance with passion, too. It wouldn’t make it look any prettier.”
LOL That gave me quite the visual.
Recon 0311 2533
October 11th, 2012
11:00 pm
Biden proved himself this evening as he’s done often to be far less than a compliment toward uplifting Obama’s failed presidency.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
11:00 pm
Biden lost it purely on buffoonery. The man looked anything but vice presidential.
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
11:01 pm
fock, thank you for your views.
As a Black man tell me why I should vote for Romney.
Thanks in advance.
Mary Elizabeth
October 11th, 2012
11:01 pm
(1) Ryan’s lack of depth of understanding regarding foreign affairs is troublesome.
(2) Biden is correct that middle class people having to pay more than $2000. more a year in the Romney/Ryan tax plan when they are just getting by is too much for them to have to absorb – especially when they must exist on lower incomes in the financial framework of the nation.
(3) Biden was wise to point out that if Romney/Ryan win this election, then 2 more Supreme Court Justices would probably be selected which would probably undo Roe vs. Wade. A woman must have the right to make her own decisions regarding abortion and birth control – which will effect her life in profound ways – with doctor, her partner, and her God/conscience. Those highly personal decisions must not be decided by politicians for her, as long as the embryo has not developed to a viable child in uterus.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:01 pm
Doom 10:58
You could be right
But if Biden had been passive, the democrats would’ve been toast
First FL advert after debate: Obama ad
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:01 pm
“And Ryan didn’t say anything stupid”
I have to disagree. In answer to the question, “What would you bring to the country no one else can bring?”, Ryan’s “Honesty” was probably the singular most idiotic statement I’ve witnessed.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
11:02 pm
I’m out. Tough luck for the cranky old buffoon tonight.
Matti
October 11th, 2012
11:02 pm
Actually, I thought Biden chuckling and shaking his head, and then correcting, was a much more polite way to respond to Ryan’s bald-faced lies than screaming “BULLDOOKIE” or popping the kid the way a nun pops a lying little punk in Catholic school.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:02 pm
Joe Biden looked like an ANGRY, LOOSE Cannon!
getalife
October 11th, 2012
11:02 pm
corporate media are trying desperately to help the gop but the truth and facts are out.
Biden won easily and they want to talk about Joe laughing and having a blast.
Great debate and an epic smack down on the gop for the ages.
Thank you Vice President Biden for saving our country from the gop destroying it again for four more years.
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:02 pm
doom
Partisan much? Romney coming out and issuing a statement on the day of the benghazi incident was an epic fail and indefensible, ryan didn’t help him much on that. Biden was annoying sometimes with the body language but….he signaled the way a lot of people feel about ryans shell game in economics, it’s a joke and not credible…
Jealous Often?
October 11th, 2012
11:03 pm
This debate was a draw.
Romney had momentum.
That ended tonight.
Jhunt163
October 11th, 2012
11:03 pm
CNN’s independent panel had 1/3 for Biden, 1/3 for Ryan, and 1/3 still undecided. A couple of comments were made that Biden acted like a buffoon though.
RB from Gwinnett
October 11th, 2012
11:04 pm
“They need to tell the neocons to FOAD…”
Tell us all some more fairy tales about how you’re not a liberal Jammie.
Old Joe apparently thinks we weren’t aware there were hearings yesterday on the Libya coverup. News to joe, just because POS rags like the AJC won’t run the story doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. I really don’t care who in the administration made up the video excuse, I want to know why. There is no dispute it was made up, why?
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
11:04 pm
USMC
October 11th, 2012
10:59 pm
Tonight’s Victory goes to ROMNEY!
________________________________
And tonight’s LOSS goes to AMERICA.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
11:04 pm
Well I see Doom failed to provide a link to back his false claims or his apology…. just backed out the door again claiming he made boomboom.
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:04 pm
Howdy Mattie,
“was a much more polite way to respond to Ryan’s bald-faced lies than screaming “BULLDOOKIE””
But wasn’t that what Biden essentially did early on?
getalife
October 11th, 2012
11:04 pm
Watch the poll numbers go to our President and the gop will call it a vast left wing conspiracy.
cons are so predictable.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:05 pm
“This debate was a draw.
Romney had momentum.
That ended tonight.”
Um, not likey
A draw helps the dem base, but it helps republicans continue to win the moderates
Matti
October 11th, 2012
11:06 pm
jewcowboy,
He said “malarkey,” didn’t he? Haha! Yes, much more polite than what I was thinking!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
11:07 pm
Well I see Doom failed to provide a link to back his false claims or his apology…
This is generally considered common knowledge.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
11:07 pm
The only two words I wished Joe used were “terrorist sympathizer” but he proved mitt is not a leader and made the point.
Other than that, it was a brilliant performance by VP Biden.
He showed the President how it was done.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
11:08 pm
If you are like 98% of your race you will vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
There’s your sign.
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:08 pm
Overall, as Jay wrote, Ryan did hold his own, but, in my opinion, he came off more scripted than knowledgeable. Biden spoke more directly and intimately but came off a little overbearing, especially in the beginning. Overall probably an edge to Biden. But it was 1000% more entertaining than the Presidential debate that was so policy wonky I would have fallen asleep if I hadn’t been doing laundry.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:08 pm
“As a Black man tell me why I should vote for Romney”
The absolutely WRONG question to ask if you aren’t Narcissistic and you are FOR the country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdA1ikkoEc
Who cares if you are BLACK?
What happened to Dr. King’s message??? You know better than that.
.
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:08 pm
jm
There were no winners or losers…on to tuesday and another “performance” the narrative will drive the stakes even higher and obama is up to bat with an 0 -1 count…
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
11:08 pm
Ok, turning to Family Guy.
Something MORE believable.
Nite all.
Don’t forget your Obama/Romney dolls, while the REAL power brokers pick our President.
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
11:09 pm
fock
Blacks vote majority Democrat even when the candidate is white.
just saying
Are you able to be more in depth with your analysis (j/k: your answer wasn’t even close to a realistic analysis).
How do you account for the numerous black business owners and those in corporate America who vote Democrat? Do they not have personal responsibility?
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:09 pm
Getalife
Go do some trickle down
You’ve had too much kool aid
Tom Middleton
October 11th, 2012
11:09 pm
Good Job, Joe. It’s tough dealing in reality with a lying, arrogant little idealogue, but you were very, very good tonight, and thanks!
Recon 0311 2533
October 11th, 2012
11:09 pm
“Where is the link”…the cry from sorry liberals who can’t think for themselves.
Don't Forget
October 11th, 2012
11:09 pm
Some things never change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3RHnKYNvx8
jewcowboy
October 11th, 2012
11:09 pm
“Now who is more bigoted, me for my honest views, or you black guy?”
Um…from the mind blowingly bigoted statement you wrote, I think we have our answer.
Tom Middleton
October 11th, 2012
11:10 pm
Paul Ryan is Ayn Rand!
getalife
October 11th, 2012
11:10 pm
The Dems are happy and they should be.
corporate media are depressed and they should be.
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:11 pm
Correction….make that two balls and one strike….biden came with a pair…
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:11 pm
Mick 11:08
He will do better
He has to
He has nowhere to go but up after the last debate
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
11:12 pm
Del is clueless as usual. Generally considered common knowledge.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
11:12 pm
I do love a good smack down.
Run along cons thoroughly defeated.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:13 pm
“Tom Middleton
October 11th, 2012
11:10 pm
Paul Ryan is Ayn Rand!”
An incredibly sophisticated democrat analysis for everyone to study
Matti
October 11th, 2012
11:13 pm
Mick @ 11:11,
getalife
October 11th, 2012
11:13 pm
I will not rub it in anymore jm.
The sun will rise tomorrow.
Mike
October 11th, 2012
11:14 pm
Hopefully someone other than the UGA coaching staff prepares Obama for the next debate!
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:14 pm
jm
Not necessarily….the obama you saw at the last debate was essentially who he was, can he really keep pounding the 47% after biden? I guess, but he needs fresh material of which there is no shortage.
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
11:14 pm
Recon is back
Hope the Cox Board of Directors provided you with a satisfactory answer to whatever was ailing you awhile back.
Peter
October 11th, 2012
11:14 pm
Wow… Obama blew it… Really ???? By saving America and the free world from going bankrupt ? Saving the auto industry Romney wanted to let go under ?
Getting Bin Laden ? No attack on American soil ?
Ryan talked about the money given out by Obama as bad…..But got him some didn’t he ?
So what was it bad or good Ryan ?
Said he agreed with Afghanistan……then said they would have done it differently…… gosh driving from the rear view mirror is easy I guess…..
After Bush the Republican’s implosion of the US housing market, job market, starting two wars without a meaningful way to pay for any of it…..cause “deficits don’t matter ” with guys like Romney making Millions after tossing American jobs over seas and playing Gordon Gekko…
All of a sudden Romney is a job creator ? HA HA HA. In India ???? Where ?????
The best was the ” Co-Operation ” of the two sides Romney talks about…..Gee when did the Republican’s want to help the President help American’s ?
Please name a time REPUBLICAN’S said let’s work together to make America better ?
Anyone ?
Thrash
October 11th, 2012
11:14 pm
Biden is nothing but a DRUNK.
Tom Middleton
October 11th, 2012
11:14 pm
NBC snap poll: Biden won by 20 points.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:15 pm
Getalife
Suffering from delusion
Fock Obama – classless spoofing. Democrats are disgusting sometimes
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
11:15 pm
fock
Thanks for the non answer. Figured you would come back with bs. People like you are not new around here. You are probably just a regular’s sock puppet.
Everyone have a great night
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
11:15 pm
Matti, I agree on “marlarkey” ….. Somehow the movie Animal House kept coming to mind for the response I was thinking….. [sneeze]
USMC
October 11th, 2012
11:15 pm
“I do love a good smack down.”–Getalife
Yeah, You gonna like that smackdown Saturday when South Carolina Smacks that A$$ in Baton rouge!
Tom Middleton
October 11th, 2012
11:16 pm
Jm
And you can teach them. LOL
Z
October 11th, 2012
11:16 pm
Ryan was specific on only one issue at tonights debate and that is, he and Romney have every intention of taking rights away from Women. He doesn’t know much about anything else,except maybe saving those loopholes for the Wealthy, but yep, him and Romney will be taking rights away from Women. Tells me all I need to know about the Romney Ryan ticket!
Peter
October 11th, 2012
11:17 pm
fock obuma… Hey wake up….. Obama was elected because Bush almost created another great Depression and put two wars on a credit card.Duhhhhh !
Jm
October 11th, 2012
11:17 pm
Mick
Obama will definitely rehash the 47% thingy
Recon 0311 2533
October 11th, 2012
11:17 pm
biden came with a pair…upstair but sadly only hair plugs on the down stair.
Matti
October 11th, 2012
11:18 pm
“Have respect for the people you debate with.”
Our new friend thinks he understands how to debate with respect? After what he posted HERE tonight? Bless his heart.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
11:18 pm
fock: He has no self respect, he takes his orders from a colored!
I do believe we have a real Son of a Confederate KKK Veteran posting. Just offensive.
Peter
October 11th, 2012
11:18 pm
Z you hit the nail on the head……… Women watch out !!!!! They will take you back 100 years !
independent thinker
October 11th, 2012
11:18 pm
Thank God for Joe Biden!
He covered all the bases in why a Romney?Ryan presidency could lead to a disaster
my favorite was how he repeatedly invoked Reagan’s name and discussed how he personally negotiated with Reagan and otthers the restructuring of social security – made Ryan look like an inexperienced preppy.
So you cons ready for your boys to get us into another war in the middle east?
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
11:19 pm
fock obuma
October 11th, 2012
11:05 pm
Black Guy, if you believe in personal responsibility and individualism, you will become conservative. –fock, I used to be a conservative, I was at Herman Cain’s rally when he announced his run. I bet I have been to more teaparty rally’s than you.
If you are like 98% of your race you will vote for Obama because of the color of his skin. Now who is more bigoted, me for my honest views, or you black guy? — Do you think the republican party can win the Presidency with 0% of the Black vote? If not, do you think you will get it with the statement above?
Maybe you should stop ASSuming, and talk TO people instead of AT people.
The regulars on here will tell you that I am center RIGHT, and NOT an Obama fan.
Marty Huggins'
October 11th, 2012
11:19 pm
fock obuma
October 11th, 2012
11:13 pm
Why?
As in why decide in the middle of the night to come on a blog and go all bigot on all blacks?
How are you able to decide why it is any individual votes the way they do let alone an entire race?
Which is it prescriptions or home chemistry based substances?
Maybe good ole over consumption of alcohol?
Too aggressive for it to be weed
Mick
October 11th, 2012
11:20 pm
Hair plugs again? A bit sophmoric at this level don’t you think??? So joe annoyed you? That’s why we love him…