Liveblog: Biden, Ryan ready to rumble
UPDATE: 9:05 On a question about the Libyan attack, Biden does well, diverting it into the larger security question. Ryan handles his part ably as well, although this “weakness.”
Whoa… the malarkey card: “Everything he said is a bunch of malarkey,” says Biden. And then backs it up. A good, strong exchange, although Ryan comes across as a bit unseasoned.
UPDATE: 9:15 Ryan takes a hard, but unrealistic, line on Iran. He sounds like he’s repeating rehearsed lines, Biden sounds like he comprehends the issue.
Biden’s forcefulness working for him very well.
I wonder if President Obama is taking notes.
9:26: “We’re going in the wrong direction,” says Ryan. I don’t think that’s going to sell. “It’s late evening in America”?
Raddatz doing well as moderator, but I think the forum is easier. Sitting there at the table gives her more control. It’s a good exchange.
9:34 Medicare and Social Security. I think Joe just hit a home run on Medicare with seniors, which is his target audience on this topic.
Although Ryan is right about Biden interrupting.
9:50 Biden carrying the argument with a combination of passion and detail.
10:00 I don’t think Ryan/Romney’s argument for sticking in Afghanistan gets them anywhere. That time is past.
Ryan failed on Afghanistan, but it’s not necessarily his fault. The vague Romney position on Afghanistan, suggesting he’d stay longer, is just hard to defend after more than a decade of U.S. blood.
10:28 Ryan has held his own; he did a good job with what he was given. But this is a Biden victory. It’s not a slam dunk; it won’t alter the race much. But Biden’s conviction carried the day.
It may and should serve as a template for his boss. An interesting endnote: I don’t recall a veep debate in which the tops of the ticket, Romney and Obama in this case, were mentioned so seldom.
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Among other things, it’s going to be interesting to see how successful Joe Biden is in handcuffing Paul Ryan to the ardently conservative positions that he championed before joining the ticket, and how willing Ryan will be to slough off that identity in service of the newly moderate Mitt Romney.
Not to mention Biden’s proclivity for foot-chewing.
– Jay Bookman
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getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:00 pm
“Biden does need to back it down a notch or three.”
Weak.
He is crushing him like he should.
givememyfairshare
October 11th, 2012
10:01 pm
sorry, but my friend joe is quite the rude one tonight
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
10:01 pm
Jay:
Are you watchin this Biden debacle????
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
10:01 pm
12 more runless out until free baseball in NY!
nobodyyouknow
October 11th, 2012
10:02 pm
Every time Paul Ryan gets on a true and good point, Big mouth Biden interupts him. Biden is nothing more than a big mouth politician who wants to control the debate. Just like his big boss man wants to control everything else. I’m truly sorry for the tradgey that happened to his family. But that does not make him a good vice president.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:02 pm
Granny
Classy and I foggy brained comment
td
October 11th, 2012
10:02 pm
Biden is acting like Chris Matthews.
givememyfairshare
October 11th, 2012
10:02 pm
Biden is doing much better than obama, he is appeasing the cool aid drinkers
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
10:02 pm
Even with skewed polls Romney/Ryan will be up 10 points by next week…
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
10:02 pm
“Conservative bloggers don’t like it when Biden punches back
True dat.”
Except he’s not punching. More like flailing.
scott
October 11th, 2012
10:03 pm
Joe and the Taliban will wait until 2014 to take back control
getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:03 pm
Now ryan wants to stay in Afghanistan.
That is bizarre and a major flip flop.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
10:03 pm
Yeah!
Another steamrolled moderator!
Daedalus, thanks for the update!
I’m watching the Yanks/Os but can flip back and forth now.
You’d have to pay me to watch the republicrat sitcom…
Get Real
October 11th, 2012
10:03 pm
Vice President Biden has trickled down all over the
Romney campaign
What debate are you watching, you must be watching this with get-a-life
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
10:04 pm
Jay:
Are you watchin this Biden debacle????
You mean all those update comments underneath the live feed screen weren’t your first clue?
Not real observant, are ya?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
10:04 pm
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:37 pm
More lies… just like the 8% claim Ryan made. But facts don’t matter to the GOP do they?
keep up,
A lie? Really? So the Dems didn’t control Congress? If that were true then how did they pass Obamacare without a single Republican vote? How did they do that genius? Got any facts keep? Any at all? No? I didn’t think so.
Stepped out with a dog but here you go Doom…. a video to walk you through the false 2 year claim…. BoomBoom.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-m-granholm/debunking-the-myth-obamas_b_1929869.html
And apparently you don’t know about reconciliation rules? BoomBoomBoom.
iggy
October 11th, 2012
10:04 pm
Biden say…”Hey Mr Taliban, just be cool until we leave in 2000 whenever then you can blow the hell out of everything”>
getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:04 pm
Looks like the media and Jay will say Biden was too strong.
Figures.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
10:04 pm
Even with skewed polls Romney/Ryan will be up 10 points by next week…
Yep, in the Joseph poll…
In the Electoral College?
They’ll still be down 70…
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
10:05 pm
JamVet:
I’m glad you realize this is over…..
Daedalus
October 11th, 2012
10:05 pm
Sun Devils came right back and scored on a 38 yard TD pass. ASU up 13 to 7. Plenty of football left.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
10:05 pm
Ryan wants to nanny state Afghanistan
Heh, heh, heh.
beachoholic
October 11th, 2012
10:05 pm
Ryan looks like Eddie Munster?
TJ lives
October 11th, 2012
10:05 pm
Biden’s passion is evident. Ryan’s cool is similar to Obama’s detachment last week. Not compelling in the least.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
10:05 pm
Biden does need to back it down a notch or three.
I disagree.
Avuncular buys you lots of extra space. And Biden’s almost flawless tactically, which gives him more extra room.
td
October 11th, 2012
10:05 pm
Now Biden is attacking the moderator that has been trying her best to protect him all night. He looks so angry. Can someone please give him a drink.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:05 pm
Frankly, here’s one telling sign
Biden, for better or worse jumps at answering the questions
Ryan is more cautious
Which is probably sensible given he’s 20 or so years younger and doesn’t want to blow it given the prez debates matter more
He’s still doing a fine job, but Biden has an edge
scott
October 11th, 2012
10:06 pm
okay. i am done watching this debate that basically means nothing. time to take the game off PIP and watch it the rest of the way.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
10:06 pm
I think it may be Joe’s bedtime…. And you know how folks get ill when they are sleepy?
Granny Godzilla
October 11th, 2012
10:06 pm
I’m
Double dog ditto
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
10:06 pm
Joseph
How many pts was Romney going to be up this week?
Your projections are not too good……………..
Sort of like your employment at Cox
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
10:07 pm
Ryan has had years to show some facts.. Still waiting.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:08 pm
Who does Biden’s rudeness tick off?
Maybe only older voters. Social security tho.
WTH was Biden just doing
We just had a “the Biden” moment
getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:08 pm
ryan is getting schooled by a veteran.
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
10:08 pm
afghans to do….afghans…..mmmmmm…..noodle soup……..ensure…..mmmmm
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
10:08 pm
Biden does need to back it down a notch or three.
Also, fact is the first debate was so disastrously passive that there’s no other way. Biden HAS to risk over-compensating to some degree. No choice.
Granny Godzilla
October 11th, 2012
10:08 pm
Afghans to do the job
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
10:08 pm
Os go down 1, 2, 3 in the 8th.
Joseph reports that they put four on the board.
Baltimore 9 – 1 after 7 and a half…
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
10:09 pm
welcome…..bullying works…..?
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:09 pm
Getalife 10:08
Hardly
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
10:09 pm
Just like last debate, the Highly partisan are not paying attention. Why are you even watching?
You won’t be honest with yourselves.
You CAN’T be honest with us.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
10:10 pm
“Also, fact is the first debate was so disastrously passive that there’s no other way. Biden HAS to risk over-compensating to some degree. No choice.Enter your comments here”
I disagree. His goods points are overshadowed by the fact that he looks like a bad actor.
Your mileage may vary.
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
10:10 pm
Did Biden just mimic Ryan and do a quick stutter?
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
10:10 pm
Joseph, are you drunk? (hat tip iggy)
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:10 pm
I think Ryan is trying to give Biden a long leash to see if he’ll completely blow it
Probably won’t happen tho
Mr. Snarky
October 11th, 2012
10:10 pm
The cons don’t want to admit it (or they’re delusional) but ol’ joe is whooping Ryan.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:10 pm
Thank you Vice President Biden for setting the record straight and fighting the gop lies.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
10:10 pm
keep up,
Weak dude. Just pathetically weak. Obama had decisive control of the House and 58-59 senators in the senate according to your own ridiculous link. The dems controlled Congress and the silly spin you are using on reconciliation doesn’t change the fact that the Ds controlled Congress.
Sometimes I do wonder just how it is that your mind can believe such an obscenely stupid argument. And a link from the Huffpo written by Dem governor isn’t proof sport. Geez.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
10:11 pm
Jm: “Who does Biden’s rudeness tick off?”
People who have already decided to support his opponent or are otherwise disposed not to support him anyway.
My mom’s a senior, and lifetime Republican voter, and she says Ryan’s coming off like an arrogant little prick.
iggy
October 11th, 2012
10:11 pm
“Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???”
LMAO!! Love it!!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
10:11 pm
Your mileage may vary.
I getter pretty good mileage.
Don't Forget
October 11th, 2012
10:12 pm
Biden does need to back it down a notch or three.
I don’t agree either and I think it’s a shame that so many comments/perceptions seem to be on theatrics and posing rather than on the substance of what’s being said.
td
October 11th, 2012
10:12 pm
I just figured it out. Biden is Bi-Polar. One minute he is so angry he could spit and the next minute he is laughing so hard he looks delusional.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
10:12 pm
That “getter” is going to haunt me.
bman
October 11th, 2012
10:12 pm
Unlike the Obama/Romney debate, I don’t think tonight’s debate is going to change anyone’s mind.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:12 pm
Just an epic smack down.
I am sure media will run to help the gop.
DownInAlbany
October 11th, 2012
10:13 pm
And you are one of the undecideds?
No, but that is the target audience. I doubt the result of this debate will change anyones mind that’s on this blog. Just saying…
TJ lives
October 11th, 2012
10:13 pm
I think the fact that Biden has appeased his base and Ryan has appeased his own makes this debate a draw. It will certainly stall the Romney momentum bump from the first debate.
The partisans will each claim victory. Same as it ever was.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 11th, 2012
10:13 pm
Cons have a VP candidate that knows where Syria is on the map?
Dang. Times have changed.
POTUS lied about the youtube video
October 11th, 2012
10:14 pm
bman
October 11th, 2012
10:12 pm
Agreed.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
10:14 pm
Doom, definitely trying to get back on top of the pompous leader board. I don’t know if your meltdown will move you to the top, but I guess when you are desparate, its all you have. …. as usual, you lost on facts and reality.
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
10:14 pm
getteralife
Joe is doing good.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:14 pm
Welcome
Through a senior lens that’s completely understandable
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
10:15 pm
Don’t Forget – “I don’t agree either and I think it’s a shame that so many comments/perceptions seem to be on theatrics and posing rather than on the substance of what’s being said.”
It’s TV. You know the whole Kennedy vs. Nixon thing. That is why I said that Biden would be coming across better if you were listening on radio.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:15 pm
Joe is having a blast.
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
10:15 pm
Crappy question to ask either one imo
iggy
October 11th, 2012
10:16 pm
Its “Beany Baby”….
getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:16 pm
frog,
I could not agree more but would use the word great.
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
10:16 pm
welcome,
no class lib name caller….typical bully….like your earlier point….thanks for enlightening all here…..
POTUS lied about the youtube video
October 11th, 2012
10:17 pm
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
10:15 pm
Yep.
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
10:17 pm
DowninAlbany
Agreed
bob
October 11th, 2012
10:17 pm
Biden sure can handle Martha, he showed her who is boss !
jack bull
October 11th, 2012
10:17 pm
Grumpy Old Men IV, starring Joe Biden, coming soon to a theatre near you..
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:17 pm
Catholicism
Ryan may help get PA votes
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
10:18 pm
My mom’s a senior, and lifetime Republican voter, and she says Ryan’s coming off like an arrogant little prick.
That’s because Ryan doesn’t have to act the part of an arrogant little prick. Unlike Mitt Gekko Romney when he tries to act like a caring moderate.
bob
October 11th, 2012
10:18 pm
Oh, I won 5 bucks on Biden bringing up his dead wife and son so fast, that was easy money.
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
10:18 pm
killing unborn babies is the extreme based on someone being…..’punished by a mistake for the rest of their life’ words of barrack obama……fun
iggy
October 11th, 2012
10:18 pm
Joe has nice dentures.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
10:18 pm
He just called him congressman.
ryan wants to hide that fact.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:19 pm
If the general view is Biden executed a smack down after the debate,that would be interesting
Edge? Yes. That may be it.
jack bull
October 11th, 2012
10:19 pm
the VP keeps saying “my friend”, i wonder if they’re really friends. something tells me their not.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
10:20 pm
That is a lie. That is a lie…
td
October 11th, 2012
10:20 pm
Hey Joe, If it was a fact that no Catholic institution has to pay for abortion and BC then why in the h3ll if the church suing you?
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
10:20 pm
bob, classy.
You must be one of those GOP family values types…
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
10:20 pm
Keep up,
Sorry dude but if your mind can’t understand that the Ds controlled the House by a decisive margin and the Senate by a 58-42 or 59-41 count then there is no helping your mindset. Calling me pompous doesn’t change the fact that the Ds controlled Congress in Obama’s first 2 years. Trying to bolster your weak ass argument with some nonsense from a Dem governor that the Ds didn’t have a supermajority of 60 senators does not change the fact that the Ds had both houses of Congress. Your argument is simply beyond stupid.
Don't Forget
October 11th, 2012
10:21 pm
Ayn Rand Catholic?
Granny Godzilla
October 11th, 2012
10:21 pm
Unelected judges
Like SCOTUS?
iggy
October 11th, 2012
10:21 pm
Sorry Joe, no one is innocent. Everyone has an agenda.
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
10:21 pm
A draw will be a win for
Biden considering expectations.
bob
October 11th, 2012
10:22 pm
Did Biden just say employers do not have to pay for contraceptives or abortion services ?
jack bull
October 11th, 2012
10:22 pm
Biden, “if you all would just get out of the way!”….sounds pretty bipartisan to me.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
10:22 pm
1 out, 2 on in scoring position.
ARod can untie this mutha.
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
10:22 pm
scotus judges without an agenda?…….biggest lie of the night…..one worked on healthcare as solicitor general for obama and then didn’t excuse herself from that sc decision……my bad, i guess that’s just joe……enlightening
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:22 pm
Biden says military is a sacred obligation
But cut their spending?
Um. Huh???
Daedalus
October 11th, 2012
10:22 pm
ASU scores again. Buffs driving. Only a minute to go in the first half.
bman
October 11th, 2012
10:23 pm
Frog .. .. That’s the replacement for hope and change. “expect less”
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
10:23 pm
Nice try on the 47%. He is going to get slammed again.
cmac
October 11th, 2012
10:23 pm
Bidumb is getting kicked worse than obozo last week!! Thanks joe!
Granny Godzilla
October 11th, 2012
10:23 pm
Ted
Half?
Got math?
bman
October 11th, 2012
10:23 pm
There’s a baseball game?