Liveblog: Biden, Ryan ready to rumble
UPDATE: 9:05 On a question about the Libyan attack, Biden does well, diverting it into the larger security question. Ryan handles his part ably as well, although this “weakness.”
Whoa… the malarkey card: “Everything he said is a bunch of malarkey,” says Biden. And then backs it up. A good, strong exchange, although Ryan comes across as a bit unseasoned.
UPDATE: 9:15 Ryan takes a hard, but unrealistic, line on Iran. He sounds like he’s repeating rehearsed lines, Biden sounds like he comprehends the issue.
Biden’s forcefulness working for him very well.
I wonder if President Obama is taking notes.
9:26: “We’re going in the wrong direction,” says Ryan. I don’t think that’s going to sell. “It’s late evening in America”?
Raddatz doing well as moderator, but I think the forum is easier. Sitting there at the table gives her more control. It’s a good exchange.
9:34 Medicare and Social Security. I think Joe just hit a home run on Medicare with seniors, which is his target audience on this topic.
Although Ryan is right about Biden interrupting.
9:50 Biden carrying the argument with a combination of passion and detail.
10:00 I don’t think Ryan/Romney’s argument for sticking in Afghanistan gets them anywhere. That time is past.
Ryan failed on Afghanistan, but it’s not necessarily his fault. The vague Romney position on Afghanistan, suggesting he’d stay longer, is just hard to defend after more than a decade of U.S. blood.
10:28 Ryan has held his own; he did a good job with what he was given. But this is a Biden victory. It’s not a slam dunk; it won’t alter the race much. But Biden’s conviction carried the day.
It may and should serve as a template for his boss. An interesting endnote: I don’t recall a veep debate in which the tops of the ticket, Romney and Obama in this case, were mentioned so seldom.
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Among other things, it’s going to be interesting to see how successful Joe Biden is in handcuffing Paul Ryan to the ardently conservative positions that he championed before joining the ticket, and how willing Ryan will be to slough off that identity in service of the newly moderate Mitt Romney.
Not to mention Biden’s proclivity for foot-chewing.
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
9:43 pm
I getter a pretty good impression of Yvonne Stahovski
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:43 pm
Lyin’ Ryan. Too bad Republicans don’t support the use of facts.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:43 pm
Biden is a clown. He came out looking okay. Now he just looks like a sad old man. “get off my porch you kids”
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:44 pm
Biden is walking ever closer to the line of looking like Al Goron during the W/Goron debate.
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:44 pm
Hrm common sense says no to Joe.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:44 pm
Who do you trust on this ?
Not the gop.
POTUS lied about the youtube video
October 11th, 2012
9:44 pm
Funny….Joe Isuzu is asking people to trust him.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
9:44 pm
So far I’d give Biden a slight edge
More seasoned, better communication, and putting it in real terms for constituents
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
9:44 pm
The Oregon Congressman did not co sponsor that bill with Ryan
BIG LIE
he worked on a part of it, but not the bill as it stands today
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:44 pm
1 -1 after the stretch.
Cons report Yanks down 5 – 1…
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:44 pm
Joe Biden’s scare tactics exposed. He has no record to run on. Except a record of abysmal failure.
Lord Help Us
October 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
‘try to scare people from voting for you…’ ?
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
let Joe keep interrupting. He is making himself sound really dumb. He will eventually stick his foot in his mouth. Wait for it…wait for it…
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
boogeyman lib tactics nonstop this evening
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
The sock-puppet parade is in full swing here tonight.
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
Ryan just stared ol Joe down.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
Joe is bullied the moderator.
Winning.
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
Biden looks OUT OF CONTROL!
He does NOT look composed.
If someone says something you disagree with, you still let them finish THEN you refute what they say.
Biden doesn’t do that.
OUT OF CONTROL.
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
Million billion. Huh?
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:46 pm
“The sock-puppet parade is in full swing here tonight.”
LOL!!
POTUS lied about the youtube video
October 11th, 2012
9:46 pm
I’m waiting for Joe to send a squirt of water from his lapel directed towards Ryan.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:46 pm
ryan looks beaten.
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
9:46 pm
Kam
For sure
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
The middle class got BURIED under this admin…enough said
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
Oh poor Joe….
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
TBS, true
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
Conservative bloggers don’t like it when Biden punches back
True dat.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
Flaherty drops an easy pop up.
Cons report he went over the wall to take away a home run…
Reasonable man
October 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
Liberals are such lying, parasitic leeches that have absolutely no redeeming qualities
td
October 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
Biden is starting to look like a bully.
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
bam…..on taxes joe just lost the argument
Jm
October 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
Ryan just won that point
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
Just quote Joe the pit bull Biden to crush the cons.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
nicely put. Way to use facts to put down the class warfare argument
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
The middle class got BURIED under the past five administrations…enough said, scott.
Support the Troops.
Get Real
October 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
Black guy….completely agree, Biden is way too emotional and out of control
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
Taking 28 percent is enough, you say. Good, when will Mitt start doubling his taxes.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
WOW. Ryan walloped him on some reality regarding how much the wealthy really can help with the deficit pay down. The problem is spending Joe. You just don’t get it you old stale fool.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
Boom Ryan hammering the tax point home hard
Biden still ahead unless this continues for the rest of the debate
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
Biden is hectoring the Moderator.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
jamvet…I don’t know who is a bigger clown…you or biden
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
tax everybody everything and it doesn’t pay for the libs spending….wut up jay
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
No specifics.
Busted.
Matti
October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
Joe is a good man for not popping this little creep in the puss.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
Biden laughing. Doesn’t this man understand how it makes him look like an idiot. Geez.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
Wassup with Kyle’s morgue?
Looks like the cons there have no stomach for this.
Strange…
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:50 pm
jamvet….agreed
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:50 pm
Damn. Quit interrupting you old damn fool.
Get Real
October 11th, 2012
9:50 pm
All Joe can do is chuckle when he gets his shorts handed to him with level headed intelligent discussion, Joe should have taken a tranquilzer before the debate…
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:50 pm
scott, what you don’t know could fill the Library of Congress. Twice.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
9:51 pm
“Wassup with Kyle’s morgue?”
Not very active with the updates is he.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:51 pm
WHAT are you giggling at? This actually isn’t even funny anymore. I am legitimately concerned Biden is not OK
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
9:51 pm
Do you have the specifics? That’s a pretty simple question. Paul Ryan has no answer.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
9:52 pm
Romney is going to close the carried interest loophole
If not, he’s toast next election
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:52 pm
Biden is like the guy in the bar who thinks that he sounds smart because he is talking louder than you are.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:52 pm
mortgage deduction….that is something that your party wanted to cut Joe
Lord Help Us
October 11th, 2012
9:52 pm
GOP does not do math…
Get Real
October 11th, 2012
9:52 pm
Biden is making a complete fool of himself
Jm
October 11th, 2012
9:52 pm
Pooh borderline brawl!
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:53 pm
I think Biden is drunk.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
9:53 pm
Ryan has no details and he knows it.
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:53 pm
Joe is interuppting because he is being trashed.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:53 pm
Biden just looks crazy with all the interrupting and the crazy comments. This man has completely lost his composure.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:53 pm
Jamvet and what you do know would fit on a post-it note.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:53 pm
Show the math, Ryan. You lose.
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
9:53 pm
Marathon man is not
destroying the old man
but he is keeping up.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
9:54 pm
Um joe
She asked you what would you do besides raising taxes on the rich
Your answer to raise taxes on the rich is a non answer
Jhunt163
October 11th, 2012
9:54 pm
Biden does look like a JackA$$
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:54 pm
Biden reminds me of Jody Powell….
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:54 pm
keep letting biden interrupt. he is destroying himself
Jay
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
Biden does need to back it down a notch or three.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:53 pm
I think Biden is drunk.
Naw. He’s just rude. And he knows he can’t win based on record so he’s just trying to interrupt constantly and outshout Ryan- its a standard liberal tactic when they can’t win the argument.
Jhunt163
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
Hedge fund small business??? I thought the Dem argument was that Hedge funds only pay capital games??
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
she is doing a good job as moderator
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
Ooooooh, good one, scott, you’re winning the debate!
Actually iggy with his “drunk” comment is still ahead of you…
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
Perhaps Biden don’t understand that when the Bush tax cuts expire it effects everyone without Congress passing legislation…
Jhunt163
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
sorry Gains not games…
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
This debate is really getting sloppy.
Lord Help Us
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
Ryan just got lost…
DownInAlbany
October 11th, 2012
9:56 pm
If Biden thinks he’s endearing himself to the undecideds by constantly being a rude buffoon I’m afraid he’s wrong. Now, I’m not smart enough to fact check both candidates on the run, but, Joe needs to shut up every once in a while. Of course, the moderator is allowing chaos. Now, she’s interupting too. This will not play well with the undecideds, either. Just saying…
Jm
October 11th, 2012
9:56 pm
Um
Ryan may have just won the national security spending argument
Though we need to cut wasteful military spending
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:56 pm
ryan’s lies are not working.
mitt wants a 2 trillion increase for military..
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:56 pm
“Naw. He’s just rude.”
LOL
Lord Help Us
October 11th, 2012
9:57 pm
Ryan is against the defense cuts that he voted for…
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
9:57 pm
the military needs less and says they want less?
Get Real
October 11th, 2012
9:57 pm
TaxPayer he will show the facts if looney toones Biden whould shut up long enough and quit interupting
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:57 pm
Joe Biden is the man.
Billybob
October 11th, 2012
9:57 pm
getalife,
you believe anything…..the perfect dem voter
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
9:57 pm
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/261579-oil-and-gas-industry-wary-of-tax-reform
Doesn’t look like Big Oil is looking for tax changes from Obama or Romney
wahoo
October 11th, 2012
9:57 pm
Biden is rude – constantly interrupting. It seems the moderator has lost control.
TN_Realist
October 11th, 2012
9:58 pm
I think VP Biden needs to ramp it up even further. Expose the continuing lies from Rep Ryan!
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:58 pm
bilbob,
Joe crushed him
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
9:58 pm
DowninAlbany
And you are one of the undecideds?
POTUS lied about the youtube video
October 11th, 2012
9:59 pm
We need one more VP debate and have Jerry Springer be the moderator.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:59 pm
Jhunt163
October 11th, 2012
9:55 pm
Hedge fund small business??? I thought the Dem argument was that Hedge funds only pay capital games??
Well now what happens is that sometimes they get so mixed up in their BS that they forget these sneaky little inconsistencies.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
9:59 pm
Biden is fine..
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:59 pm
ryan agrees on Afghanistan.
Daedalus
October 11th, 2012
9:59 pm
Colorado just scored to take the lead 7 to 6. Buffs are hanging in there.
Of course Oregon will whip both teams in the next two weeks.
College football is always more fun to watch than politics.
Granny Godzilla
October 11th, 2012
9:59 pm
Vice President Biden has trickled down all over the
Romney campaign.
Jm
October 11th, 2012
10:00 pm
People expect a real argument
Crossfire brain washing. Too much “the view”
Civilized debate is an anachronism