Liveblog: Biden, Ryan ready to rumble
UPDATE: 9:05 On a question about the Libyan attack, Biden does well, diverting it into the larger security question. Ryan handles his part ably as well, although this “weakness.”
Whoa… the malarkey card: “Everything he said is a bunch of malarkey,” says Biden. And then backs it up. A good, strong exchange, although Ryan comes across as a bit unseasoned.
UPDATE: 9:15 Ryan takes a hard, but unrealistic, line on Iran. He sounds like he’s repeating rehearsed lines, Biden sounds like he comprehends the issue.
Biden’s forcefulness working for him very well.
I wonder if President Obama is taking notes.
9:26: “We’re going in the wrong direction,” says Ryan. I don’t think that’s going to sell. “It’s late evening in America”?
Raddatz doing well as moderator, but I think the forum is easier. Sitting there at the table gives her more control. It’s a good exchange.
9:34 Medicare and Social Security. I think Joe just hit a home run on Medicare with seniors, which is his target audience on this topic.
Although Ryan is right about Biden interrupting.
9:50 Biden carrying the argument with a combination of passion and detail.
10:00 I don’t think Ryan/Romney’s argument for sticking in Afghanistan gets them anywhere. That time is past.
Ryan failed on Afghanistan, but it’s not necessarily his fault. The vague Romney position on Afghanistan, suggesting he’d stay longer, is just hard to defend after more than a decade of U.S. blood.
10:28 Ryan has held his own; he did a good job with what he was given. But this is a Biden victory. It’s not a slam dunk; it won’t alter the race much. But Biden’s conviction carried the day.
It may and should serve as a template for his boss. An interesting endnote: I don’t recall a veep debate in which the tops of the ticket, Romney and Obama in this case, were mentioned so seldom.
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Among other things, it’s going to be interesting to see how successful Joe Biden is in handcuffing Paul Ryan to the ardently conservative positions that he championed before joining the ticket, and how willing Ryan will be to slough off that identity in service of the newly moderate Mitt Romney.
Not to mention Biden’s proclivity for foot-chewing.
– Jay Bookman
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getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:20 pm
ryan agreed when Biden said he was full of malarkey.
Too funny.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:20 pm
Jeter leads off the sixth with a lead off double.
mike/joseph says he struck out on three pitches….
Jhunt163
October 11th, 2012
9:21 pm
“Absolutely. The concept that they should and can know everything is fantasy.”
And yet Biden is relying on that intelligence to prolong their Iranian strategy.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:21 pm
iggy, calm down.
Team Sudden Reversal needs a five run homer and you don’t even have anyone on yet…
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:22 pm
Nice try lynnie.
NEXT!!
Granny Godzilla
October 11th, 2012
9:22 pm
I just made bi – part – i – corn.
Too much butter and popcorn salt.
And loose talk…..
Joe is cleaning Paul Ryan’s clock.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:22 pm
Biden is like watching Chipper Jones in his last at bat…
Matti
October 11th, 2012
9:23 pm
“Facts matter.”
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:23 pm
“He changes his mind so often.”
Hilarious.
Don't Forget
October 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
Ryan threw Netanyahu’s timeline under the bus.
td
October 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
Biden looks like an idiot smiling so big and Ryan looks a little nervous.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
You mean his Hall of Fame career that he ended with a single?
Stick to non-sports analogies, mike…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
Joe got in a nice Mitt flip slam.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
Cleaning his clock? Really? This is a draw right now.
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
Joe say it…SAY IT!!! “Its Bushs fault”
Don't Forget
October 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
1-1
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
Its always funny when I have to beat down keep up with facts straight from that bastion of right wing fanatacism called the Huffington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/libya-consulate-attack_n_1951910.html
ABC News has obtained an internal State Department email from May 3, 2012, indicating that the State Department denied a request from the security team at the Embassy of Libya to retain a DC-3 airplane in the country to better conduct their duties.
Copied on the email was U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, who was killed in a terrorist attack on the diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, Sept. 11, 2012, along with three other Americans. That attack has prompted questions about whether the diplomatic personnel in that country were provided with adequate security support.
No one has yet to argue that the DC-3 would have definitively made a difference for the four Americans killed that night. The security team in question, after all, left Libya in August
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/email-shows-state-department-rejecting-request-of-security-team-at-us-embassy-in-libya/
WASHINGTON, Oct 9 (Reuters) – A U.S. security officer formerly stationed in Libya has told lawmakers he sent two cables to the State Department requesting more security agents for the American mission in Benghazi but received no response.
The officer, Eric Nordstrom, also said that a State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi “artificially low,” according to a memo summarizing his comments that was obtained by Reuters.
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:25 pm
47%.
30%
Joe is a pit bull.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:25 pm
Granny Godzilla:
wow Granny and the Braves are still in the playoffs…..
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:25 pm
oh STFU Joe. Give me a break. Since when do you EVER care about anything about troops serving overseas.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
9:25 pm
It really is like watching Clarence Darrow debate Justin Bieber.
Heh, heh, heh.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:25 pm
Yanks tie it up 1 – 1.
mike reports O’s up 2 – 0…
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:26 pm
Me thinks Ryan is about to slam Joe.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:26 pm
Why didn’t Joe just say “Its W’s fault”
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:26 pm
ryan is getting spanked.
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:26 pm
Ryan sounds like Obama.
Stumbling over his words.
Joe, looks like the seasoned vet he is.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:27 pm
Maybe when his elder son, Beau was an Army Judge Advocate serving in Iraq, you imbecile?
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
9:27 pm
Watching several on-line commentary sites. Dick Morris of all people just said “Biden is way ahead, Ryan looks like a kid, confused, weak.”
td
October 11th, 2012
9:27 pm
Biden is starting to look like a big richard.
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
9:27 pm
TBG
Exactly. He has his stutter on tonight
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:27 pm
Shut up and let him finish Joe. Oh noes- Ryan pounded him with FACTS on the abysmal economic growth. “This is not what a recovery looks like”.
BOOM
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:27 pm
i think it is funny the same people on here that were saying that obama was doing great are the same people who are saying biden is creaming ryan. what a joke.
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
Joe is trying to be aggressive. Works for him, until he looks out of control.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
Ryan is trying to restart the Republican 2010 jobs program, now that it’s 2012. Hmmmm.
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
Scott
And you are a liar because I said Obama was spanked
What else do you have?
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
bwahahahaha
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
Mitt is Mormon Santa
Heh, heh, heh.
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:29 pm
Dang he just nailed Joe to the floor.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:29 pm
Damn. Ryan just made Biden look like a damn fool with the comment about words not coming out the right way. Joe responds with the tired old comment about a bridge to sell. Weak.
Don't Forget
October 11th, 2012
9:29 pm
Actually, Ryan is starting to look like a smartadds
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
9:29 pm
Why didn’t Ryan refute Biden on the 47% that they have used and many on the right have run with in the last month?
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:30 pm
Joe goes for the sympathy play. Im gonna cry….
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:30 pm
they both suck. there were many libs on here saying that Obama was winning. How am I lying? Because little old you said otherwise. My bad.
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:30 pm
Keep flapping Joe
You might make it yet.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:30 pm
Biden seems entertained by Ryan… He may was as well sit back and enjoy the show because he is completely clueless… Poor fellow…
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:31 pm
Joe says if they get out of the way. What the hell is this fool talking about. Good God they’ve had 4 years with 2 years with an all Dem Congress. What an idiot.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:31 pm
no…it came from you voting to allow everybody to have a house you dip
iggy
October 11th, 2012
9:31 pm
“1 party control” SMASH!!
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:31 pm
Show me something.
ryans voting record.
wars on the credit card.
Oh my.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:31 pm
Boom! Uh oh….
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:32 pm
Get him, Biden.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:32 pm
Just say “One-term Proposition” Enough said
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:32 pm
Bam. Ryan just hammered him on the fact that the Dems had Congress for 2 years. And Joe looks stupid and less than presidential trying to laugh while Ryan is speaking.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:32 pm
ARoid strikes out to end the sixth.
Cons report he hit into a game ending triple play…
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
9:32 pm
hahahahahaha
Ryan is a stutter bucket
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:32 pm
Joe seems to be fading, THEN he hits Ryan on his voting record. Nice
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:33 pm
ryan begging for stimulus money.
Too funny..
Joe is crushing it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
9:33 pm
Joe is kicking Ryan hard on his own record.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:33 pm
Where is Tom Price at these days. I miss his incessant girly “I Object” every time the Dems tried to make progress in the House.
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:33 pm
Uh oh Ryan is on the attack.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:33 pm
set the conditions to grow again? Where is the growth?
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:33 pm
TBS, wuzzup. Fun times, huh?
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:34 pm
Where are the 5 million green jobs Joe???
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:34 pm
Ooooo, Medicare.
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:34 pm
Martha is doing a decent job keeping them reined in.
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:34 pm
She is giving Biden the edge on comments, IMO.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
9:34 pm
Ryan just hammered him on the fact that the Dems had Congress for 2 years
More lies… just like the 8% claim Ryan made. But facts don’t matter to the GOP do they?
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:35 pm
Medicare?
There goes Florida…
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:35 pm
“set the conditions to grow again? Where is the growth?”- Biden
Outright hilarious considering we are growing at 1-2% economic growth.
They BOTH suck
October 11th, 2012
9:35 pm
TBG
Not much. Hope you are having a good week?
I doubt this debate is going to send Romney or Obama upwards or reeling.
TGT
October 11th, 2012
9:35 pm
Jay says that “Going in the wrong direction” not going to fly in America. So we’re going in the right direction Jay?
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:35 pm
Bam. Beat down
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:36 pm
Keep up. The Dems didn’t control Congress for 2 years? How the heck is that a lie?
Granny Godzilla
October 11th, 2012
9:36 pm
Joseph
Braves? Play offs?
Pro sports?
Soap operas for testosterone based life forms.
It’s game.
Like mouse trap with rotator cuff injuries.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:36 pm
There goes Ryan trying to thrown poor Ayn Rand under the bus. Social Security was there for her when she needed it.
Get Real
October 11th, 2012
9:36 pm
Biden needs to put on a red clown nose to go with his goofy laugh…throwing his arms up in the arm is a nice touch as well…
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:37 pm
I guess this admin is ignoring AARPs request to leave them out of it.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:37 pm
More lies… just like the 8% claim Ryan made. But facts don’t matter to the GOP do they?
keep up,
A lie? Really? So the Dems didn’t control Congress? If that were true then how did they pass Obamacare without a single Republican vote? How did they do that genius? Got any facts keep? Any at all? No? I didn’t think so.
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:37 pm
Death panels by Ryan. Bad move.
Biden LYING.
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:38 pm
I think Biden is digging a hole here.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:38 pm
I just flipped over for a sec during the MLB commercial.
Why is Ryan smirking so much?
getalife
October 11th, 2012
9:38 pm
Poor ryan.
Way over his head.
At least he gained some experience.
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:38 pm
This debate is going to make NO difference on the election. Everybody saw Obama get exposed. It is all that matters.
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:38 pm
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:36 pm
Keep up. The Dems didn’t control Congress for 2 years? How the heck is that a lie?
Its only a lie if you live in kook left fantasyland. And keep do live there he do.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:39 pm
Biden slamming the voucher scam.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
9:39 pm
Biden just looks crazy, I bet if you listened on radio you would getter a better impression of him.
JMHO
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:39 pm
Ouch. Joe is about to be slammed.
Get Real
October 11th, 2012
9:39 pm
poor get-a-life….he still thinks obama won the first debate
Thulsa Doom
October 11th, 2012
9:39 pm
Gawd Joe looked idiotic with the interruption.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:39 pm
Biden seems completely clueless…. Poor fellow…
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:40 pm
TBS, true dat. I hate this interrupting format.
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:40 pm
No difference?
Ooooooh.
Did someone just admit defeat?
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:40 pm
Joe looks like a dope
Havocmaker
October 11th, 2012
9:40 pm
Biden is interrupting because he is losing.
That Black Guy
October 11th, 2012
9:41 pm
Biden is coming across as an ASS!
JamVet
October 11th, 2012
9:41 pm
Poor cons, they think Romney isn’t down 70 – 90 votes in the EC…
Get Real
October 11th, 2012
9:41 pm
The only thing missing is Biden’s clown car, perhaps some size 22 shoes as well….
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
9:42 pm
Getter….how did I type that….Yikes….”get”
Lord Help Us
October 11th, 2012
9:42 pm
Reagan is on Biden’s side…
POTUS lied about the youtube video
October 11th, 2012
9:43 pm
scott
October 11th, 2012
9:40 pm
Joe IS a dope.