Ryan, Biden vie to be top second banana

Joe should attack ryan’s voting record.

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Biden is going to get crushed – he’ll look like Joe Biden!

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Joe is a nutty but has been down this road a few times already. He will be a cagy opponent but ultimately will be felled by his loose lips and the fact he has to go into this with Obama’s record chained around his neck.

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I mean, literally and honestly – Biden is a moron, when you get called into the Oval Office with Hillary to discuss getting taken off the ticket, your own party has little faith in you. Ryan is young, aggressive and significantly smarter than Biden. I am practically tailgating for this thing! Stand up Chuck! Oh wait, Chuck is a paraplegic. Oh well, introducing Barack America! (true story…)

Do you all honestly think that this is going to be good for Biden and the Obama ticket after last week’s faceplant?

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I don’t care how they perform. I care about their positions on the issues.

When Vice Presidential candidate pushes the lie that we can balance the budget by putting the Bush tax cuts and Pentagon spending on steroids, he will not get my vote. Whichever candidate suggests that we should overturn Roe v. Wade and that there is no right of privacy will not get my vote. Whichever candidate proposes to privatize both Social Security and Medicare will not get my vote. Whichever candidate seeks to slash Medicaid for children and nursing home care will not get my vote.

I don’t care how blue Paul Ryan’s eyes are, how full his head of hair is, what his body fat percentage is, or how much he loves his mother. Nor do I care about how articulate he is. What matters is whether he is right or wrong. And he’s already made clear that his primary mission in life is to enrich the already rich at the expense of everybody else.

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“allow me to remain blissfully ignorant ”

Agreed. Hopefully, only Janna Ryan is REALLY interested in that.

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Do you all honestly think that this is going to be good for Biden and the Obama ticket after last week’s faceplant?

You using a variation of the word honest is ironic, but I digress, meat.

Probably not.

I’m guessing another field goal for Team Sudden Reversal.

Cutting Team Uppity Muslim’s lead to 38 – 13, late in the fourth quarter…

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And if I’m wrong about that, please, allow me to remain blissfully ignorant and do not post it here.

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Biden is a moron, when you get called into the Oval Office with Hillary to discuss getting taken off the ticket, your own party has little faith in you.

Where DO you guys come up with this crap? Seriously.

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I’m thinking baseball.

I might have the mlb.com Gametime thingie going while watching the debate on CSPAN.

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…or, I might have the NPR sound on, while watching the Os and Yankmes on TBS. tough call.

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On the vote at this site(liberal extreme), Ryan did great in getting 44%.

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CJ — GREAT post!

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Where DO you guys come up with this crap?

DDR, I was about to post “what if… the Republican entry had run a successful law and real estate practice and gotten himself elected to the US Senate at age 30–you think they’d be calling that guy a ‘moron’?”

but, you know, pearls, swine, and whatnot.

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The VP will clean up the floor with the kid!

For my Repub friends: Where does this stuff saying the Administration is “preventing” Military personnel from voting. All requirements for voting, like voter ID, are the responsibility of the States and there are 29 Repub states. So just how, and even better why, is the Administration doing anything. More bull!

Remember: Vote Early, Vote Often, avoid Republican voter ID, vote absentee.

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Van Hollen is Joe’s debate partner and he watched ryan’s votes.

I think Joe will attack those vote to put ryan on defense.

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Joe IS the top second banana — the best veep of the 21st century!

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Being perfectly honest, Joe Biden is a good guy, kinda of a guy you would like to have a beer with and shoot the sh-t with. Ryan is like 25 yrs younger than Joe, hope no one really embarrasses the other. One is wise(at times) and the other is smart. It may be a draw?

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Where is the “Both sides will claim victory” option?

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“Plugs” is in trouble !

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Ryan exudes a spartan discipline? Does that mean he is obviously willing to throw Granny under the bus? Let her starve in a roach-infested house with no heat, no food, and no health care? All to “save those who produce” from the “takers?”

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“I been going a little light on the PBR while watching TV ever since I shot out the old TV and part of the wall behind it. ”

Redneck — please do go a little easy tonight… we need you back here posting your brilliance sometime tomorrow!

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All to “save those who produce” from the “takers?”

Well, that cat food ain’t gonna eat itself.

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I prefer to call it the…

Political Wanker (Biden) vs The Policy Wonk (Ryan)

No prediction from me.

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Does that mean he is obviously willing to throw Granny under the bus?

Over the cliff, not under the bus

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Y’all just remember that Ryan was co-sponsor of the bill with Sen. Akin that tried to re-define what the word “rape” means — religious extremist and not VP material at all!

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Kam: What are the odds that you will say something really stupid about the first lady and her weight?

10 to 1.

A Better bet would be that he say something/anything SMART — now THAT’ll be worth betting on.

Stands: but, you know, pearls, swine, and whatnot.

Word.

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ryan was a horrible choice.

We will see proof of that in the debate.

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Liar, he said the gop buried the middle class.

He said no such thing, getalife.

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First question to lyin Ryan: why did you vote for unfunded Medicare part D if you are a deficit hawk????
Was it just because you wanted to help George W. get reelected??
Second question –why did the AARP boo you and your momma out of their convention if you are the true savior of Medicare?
Third question – why did you and Todd Akin co-author 37 anti-abortion bills but not one jobs bill?
Fourth question- how fast did you run that marathon?

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What are the odds that you will say something really stupid about the first lady and her weight?

About the same as DDR making a baseless claim about Ryan’s sexual orientation.

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Ryan is a young only worked in DC ass kisser.

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godless,

I guess you believe the gop will suddenly stop helping the wealthy.

You think the gop will change.

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About the same as DDR making a baseless claim about Ryan’s sexual orientation.

yeah, I agree, that’s a five yarder, loss of down for not at least including “not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

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Yep, heathen they put him in for ARoid.

Which is great by this Yankee fan! Ibanez seems to be a great guy.

And unless Cincy rallies, the Little Red Machine is gonna get swept at home…

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPKzkt1NuWY

Well’s there’s proof you might be an idiot if you blogged any comments with the words Biden and intelligent. Ryan better hope Biden doesn’t repeat everything he says, he is a plagiarist and it has been proven many times.

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Predict this one?

You’re kidding, right?

Either one could find themselves as president if the unthinkable happened. Gotta go with Biden on this one. We’d be close to getting out of Afghanistan now and he’d be much more in the ‘reality’ vs the ‘theory’ camp regarding domestic policy.

hi there, josef

“Greek of a sorts, no doubt, but I’m not sure I’d call pretty boy “Spartan…””

I think Jay means in terms of focus on the mission. Not wavering. Pressing on regardless of the odds. Then there’s that ruthless streak -

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“Ryan voted for every single spending bill under Bush. Now he wants to act all conservative”

True but Joe will attack his voting record the last four years too.

The obstruction, voting no on another middle class tax cut and several votes to end Medicare. There is a long list of voting no on helping the middle class.

The gop will not change or stop voting for the wealthy only.

cons like godless fall for that crap.

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Jay’s minions currently have Smokin’ Schmoe Joe up 15 to 8 over Eddie Lyin’ Ryan.

Speaking of minions, I saw Despicable Me for the first time recently.

A great little movie…

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PAUL
I don’t know what the Imam means, but I sure know what comes to my mind vis a vis Fluffy…Ain’t no man gets that bent out of shape that ain’t hidin’ sumpin…

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“granted he can’t seem to get his word to come out of his mouth right ”

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to find out he’s at least mildly dyslexic

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heathen: About the same as DDR making a baseless claim about Ryan’s sexual orientation.

Ooooo struck a nerve! Direct Hit! Score. Well at least I didn’t make an EFFECTIVE claim about yours. Or the lack thereof……

josef — Good one!

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“Ryan is really condescending and childish when he is challenged”

Or he’s loud and overbearing…or all four

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Hey I saw that documentary on LOGO about republicans and some DEMS who routinely vote AGAINST gays; but who are really in the closet.

Charlie Crist is on the list, so is Paul Ryan.

Don’t hate the messenger. Hate the closet.

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Peadawg: Ryan would love for Joe to attack his record under Bush. Then he can bring out that stupid vapid canard “Bush isn’t President anymore.”

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The Presidential debate was an enjoyable time here with Jay giving his commentating updates. Check it out if you get a chance.

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“Ryan voted for every single spending bill under Bush. Now he wants to act all conservative”

Under who?

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Josef –

Va chier mon tabarnak

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In the blue corner, we have the the gaffe-prone, plagiarizing VP from PA (but not Easton).

And in the red corner we have the gaffe-prone, NPR-hating nobody from Wisconsin.

Speaking of costly gaffes, guess who is not on the ticket instead of Eddie?

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/whoops-bobby-jindal-calls-it-obamneycare

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DDR,

Your trite and potty-mouthed accusations don’t bother me, I was just using your post as an example of the level of intelligent discourse displayed by Obamanauts on the blog that don’t bother Kam a-tal. But don’t make a comment about Michelle’s arse unless you want to bear the full force of Kam’s indignation.

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But don’t make a comment about Michelle’s arse unless you want to bear the full force of Kam’s indignation.

Michelle’s ass isn’t running for public office but Ryan’s is, sport.

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you pegged it josef! Barney Franks, when asked on that LOGO documentary, said that the reason he finally came out was because he was tired of hiding who he really was. By his hiding, he was hurting people that he loved and living a lie. AND he stated by living a lie, it was the whole package:

Being seen with women (dating) , pretending.
Voting AGAINST bills that would’ve helped gays
Hurting not only the woman he was dating wit his lies, but the man he couldn’t be seen with.

GOPers it’s time to stop lieing — you’d feel better and you can finally be free.

Oh and no matter WHAT Ted Haggard says, he’s still Gay. He’s just “not practising”.

It seems that

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Did somebody announce something that is the reason off all the talk of sexual preference?

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Ryan co-sponsored a Bill which would grant full personhood to a fertilized egg, even in the case of rape. This would mean a woman getting an abortion and her doctor might wind up in jail with her rapist.

Could someone explain to me how any sane person could support someone who would promote such a cruel Bill?

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Deficits?

IOKIYAR

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OFF SUBJECT ALERT!! (kinda)

josef – have you heard about this (below)? Black pastors telling their congregations to stay home because they didn’t like Obama’s support of Gay Marraige?

Some black clergy see no good presidential choice between a Mormon candidate and one who supports gay marriage, so they are telling their flocks to stay home on Election Day. That’s a worrisome message for the nation’s first African-American president, who can’t afford to lose any voters from his base during a tight race.

“When President Obama made the public statement on gay marriage, I think it put a question in our minds as to what direction he’s taking the nation,” said the Rev. A.R. Bernard, founder of the predominantly African-American Christian Cultural Center in New York. Bernard, whose endorsement is much sought after in New York and beyond, voted for Obama in 2008. He said he’s unsure how he’ll vote this year.

Sickening ain’t it?

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KAMCHAK…

meaningful contribution to reducing the deficit..my bad..

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godless

I think it goes both ways on this blog.

Just earlier today, a liberal blogger made some comment to a conservative blogger. The conservative said something along the lines of, “you forgot to mention about homes with 4 wheels. You know how you liberals love to demean the white poor”

the liberal never said anything about trailers, it was the conservative who brought it up. He can be good at twisting words or adding them to meet his narrative.

A few minutes later, another conservative blogger said that a liberal blogger lived in a trailer.

Did the 1st conservative blogger say anything? NOPE.

I said something and apparently the the conservative blogger who said “you forgot to mention………………” became busy or something. He never responded to the other conservative blogger or me.

That selective condemnation goes both ways.

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GRANNY

Yeah, that kind of Spartan…wait til the baby’s born and then if you don’t like the looks of it, throw it down the ravine…put the women on off on their own reservation, donate sperm ever so often, but spend your days and nights with the boys playing solider at the Hellenic version of the leather bar…THAT Spartan..

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Well if Ryan gets that “personhood” amendment passed I guess we’ll have a few things to talk about. Personally, I’m not thrilled with the idea that I’m actually 9 months older than I thought! But that’s not all. If you’re a person as a fetus, then I suppose you have some other rights too like property ownership. And if that’s the case then do they have to pay property taxes? Can they file on their mother’s tax return? What about health insurance? Do they need a separate policy? Or does the mother have to claim them as a dependent and pay extra? What about second amendment rights? Should they be counted in the census? If so, how will that affect the number of house seats and electoral college votes a state gets. Maybe we should have a “conception certificate” instead of a birth certificate. That could be a problem. We all know where we were born but how many of us know where we were conceived?

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“Could someone explain to me how any sane person could support someone who would promote such a cruel Bill?”

You’re not looking at if from the “right” angle. It’s not about personhood, it’s about controlling the choices of women. It’s about power.

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Goldie

October 11th, 2012
3:21 pm
Joe IS the top second banana — the best veep of the 21st century!
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That’s like saying you took home the prettiest of the 2 fugly girls left at the bar.

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PAUL

I spend the greater part of my life trying to shake his kind…after a while, you can smell ‘em a mile away…and, not at all being snarky when I say this, it would take a monograph to even begin to scratch the surface on “what is it…”

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Mixture Of banana and sex appeal A little too Freudian for my taste. Take Ryan and lay (to further Freud) the points. You may have some beer bottles thrown tonight. Look for an arrest or two

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StevieR – Here ya go:

http://thegrio.com/2012/09/17/some-black-pastors-waiver-on-support-for-obama/

hiya Paul — the thing about Ryan? Like I said, I saw a documentary on LOGO about not only him, but a dozen more closeted legislatures. Statewide and Nationwide.

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First question for Biden – “What country are you the Vice President of?” It will go downhill from there for him.

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josef

Thanks. I’ll just have to file that under ‘one of those things I’ll likely never understand.”

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“Ryan’s a devout Catholic, and from what I read, it’s nothing to do with hating women. It’s consistent with the Catholic view of the sanctity of life.”

I think you’d have a hard time supporting that…considering the number of people killed by Catholic soldier monks in time past. There’s nothing inconsistent in calling it “concern for the sanctity of life” to mask that it’s all about power of women. Why do you think women can’t be priests in the Catholic church?

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PAUL

Just my perspective based on a lifetime’s experience…

AND Y’ALL
I don’t think Jay had that in mind when he used the Spartan reference…it was just kinda funny to me, thass all…when he goes there, it’s snicker-snicker…i.e. Crist…

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Doggone/GA

“I think you’d have a hard time supporting that…considering the number of people killed by Catholic soldier monks in time past. ”

Oh for pete’s sake. We’re discussing current Catholic teaching on the sanctity of life, encompassing birth control, abortion, end of life decisions, not some historical events from the Middle Ages.

The role of women in the priesthood is a completely separate matter. You may interpret it in a power context, but they will respond with quite something else. No different than asking an orthodox Jew if they’re all hung up on power and hate women because of their role. Catholic teaching sprung from the same tree. It’s not all about 21st century political sensibilities.

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josef: He stood to lose a lot more than he stood to gain.

Word. Especially considering the vast amount of homophobia in the black community. ESPECIALLY considering there’s probably an “Aunt Simon” with his special “Friend” in every black family – their homophobia borders on ridiculous. Besides that, everyone knows that the choir director in the black church 95% of the time is gay! (wink, wink).

People like Eddie Long, et al.; stand in pulpits and preach about the sins of homosexuality; all the while they’re sneaking into the parishoners’ little boy’s rooms.

If the black church wants to condemn gays, the FIRST thing they should do is to practice what they preach and STOP taking their gay parishoner’s tithe money. It might give them cooties………

Doggone: There’s nothing inconsistent in calling it “concern for the sanctity of life” to mask that it’s all about power of women. Why do you think women can’t be priests in the Catholic church?

Bingo. I don’t think men get that part.

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Ryan the biggiest hypocrite of them all, bashes Obama for the stimulus money but ask for money for his home state, the golden boy who used SSI when his father died but saying now it should be changed.

Someone ask the golden boy why he will cut education by 30% but used the Pell grant when he was in college, these right wing hypocrites are the worst rep ever”””””’

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Just being EOI, but both Ryan and Biden are practicing Roman Catholics…

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Pats by 3

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Paul Ryan is gay? I always learn near stuff here. I can see it now…Ryan and Samuel Jackson together on dancing with the stars

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Aquagirl

My sole point was doctrine can be based upon centuries-old teaching. Some may be rooted in male-female roles in long-gone cultures, some not. But to come at everything from the current view of the day is, in my mind, not an honest analytical approach.

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KAMCHAK

So it’s ok with you for us to borrow 40% of what we spend? If you see no problem with this, I have no response. It doesn’t matter if it were Bush, Obama or my mother..we have a serious problem…I guess you see no pitfalls of spending $454, 000,000,000 or 18% of tax reciepts annually just on interest alone..no principal…also, do you realize that compared to other nations with similar or higher debt ratio, our bonds expire in less than 5 years which is half the time on average all these other nations to which we are compared enjoy..

Imagine how much good we could do with an extra $454 billion at our disposal?? I guess you like things the way they are..

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ryan thinks the meth head ann rynd is the answer to all our problems.

It is fiction and she is a speed freak.

ryan should not be in government and that is the dumbest gaffe not worthy of a single thought.

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The most revealing question will be the undie: Mittens, boxers; The Messiah, briefs; Ole Joe, Depends.

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Hats off to a hero.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/basil-plumley-army-veteran-of-three-wars-dies-at-92/?hpt=hp_c3

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On multi-culturalism: “You can’t hardly walk into a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts without a slight Indian accent”
On the Health Care bill (to Obama, live mic) “This is a big f***ing deal.”
On Obama “He’s clean, articulate”
A heartbeat away from being the most powerful individual, scary

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“But to come at everything from the current view of the day is, in my mind, not an honest analytical approach”

Certainly it is. Society changes, and for institutions to try to hold on to teachings that would halt that change puts that institution squarely in the column of “power is more important than anything else”

Doesn’t the priest pedophelia scandal teach you anything? The length of time that was kept hidden is a PERFECT example of power being more important the mission.

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Of course , ann was an atheist so paul had to run away from her like mitt ran from his tax plan to raise taxes on you two grand a year.

Your vote for mitt will cost you eight grand. Just give it to government when you vote.

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Doggone/GA

I believe you’re confusing the doctrinal teaching of the ideal with the shortcomings of the people who are members of the institution.

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28″

I don’t think your interpretation is what the apostle Paul had in mind. It defies the context. The teaching of salvation open to all regardless of earthly station is separate from doctrine related to administration of the sacraments.

Might as well rail against the founder. Jesus called no women to serve in the Twelve. No record of women serving in the Seventy. No record of women being given power to heal, cast out evil, etc. Yes, I could to into some early manuscripts about the role women did have, but even that would not support the equality mode you cite.

The logical extension of this is Jesus hated women and feared sharing power with them, which is absurd.

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gm

October 11th, 2012
4:40 pm
Ryan the biggiest hypocrite of them all, – “biggiest” Is that like dumberer?

Someone ask the golden boy … – Stop being LAZY. YOU ask him http://paulryan.house.gov/contact/

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The tea party right from th do nothing radical congress against the establishment of the Senate on the left, seem just yesterday those roles were the exact opposite.

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DOGGONE

“How about the Catholic priests who stood by and watched the Nazis slaughter Jews, gays and Gypsies? That’s pretty recent and doesn’t show much fondness for the sanctity of life…except maybe their own.”

Just to make sure we keep the record straight here, many, many priests and nuns gave their lives protecting those groups…the heirachy may have stood by, but not the local representatives of the church…

Lévai Jenő in his “Fekete könyv a magyar zsidóság szenvedéseiről” documents some 25,000 cases of Jews alone rescued and hidden by just nuns…the role of the Papal Nuncio in Bratislava is bring Vrba and Wetzler’s “Auschwitz Protokol” to the world’s attention cannot be underrated in bringing the mass slaughter to an end…

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The ladies here are pwning the issue of power.

And they are 100% correct.

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“Ryan, Biden vie to be top second banana”–JAY BOOKMAN

Talk about a USED CAR SALESMAN… “JOE BIDEN”
Expect Joe Biden’s dentures to glow in the dark tonight!

This debate could be fairly close because Obama actually went to her wedding and they are friends, so expect the “GOTCHA” questions to Ryan.

Ryan will win this debate though, hands down.

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gm

October 11th, 2012
4:45 pm
Amazing the mental rep women who support a party that voted against Ledbetter act and every right for women, stand with men who dont think they are worth equal pay for work. – You do realize that some female dem staffers STILL make less than their male counterparts?

Mitt and Ryan attitude is keep them bare foot and produce more babbies with no rights”””’ – What the heck is a “babbies”? It it one of the *biggiest* babies?

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Do the paul ryan? Desperation time, how far will a person or persons go to achieve fame? At least palin was actually hottttttttt…

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Aquagirl

” The idea that Catholics or any other denomination are doing it because they’re pure and unsullied by the world is absolute nonsense.”

It would seem you’re the only one asserting that.

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DDR

Which is why I said “most that I have known…” Again, it’s just my experience…I’m pretty sure I’d come down harder on rabbis…more experience there…

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Moderator for tonight’s debate is friends with Obama; Obama attended her WEDDING!
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/abc-news-scrambles-to-cover-up-barack-obamas-attendance-at-vp-debate-moderators-wedding/

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“But it seems to me what you’re striking at is a core doctrinal teaching, which is unlikely to be changed by ‘evolving cultural sensibilities.’”

Quite right. That’s why I could never be a devout Catholic. All doctrine aside (and I’ve said this before) – when I think of Christ walking the dusty roads of his homeland, dependent on the charity of both strangers and believers…and then compare that with the pampered, exotic, separated life of the Pope…well, it makes me sick to my stomach.

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usmc

Gomer, you sure you were a jarhead? They way you post lately its as if you are afraid of your won shadow! What the frick…how is the moderator going to throw this to one side in front of millions? geesh

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But it seems to me what you’re striking at is a core doctrinal teaching, which is unlikely to be changed by ‘evolving cultural sensibilities.

Because there is no shortage of men scared of giving up their power. Among all the doctrinal blather is a disregard for women, period. Dress it up any way you like it but it’s disgusting and it causes real suffering. The Catholic church is dying in countries where we don’t treat women like cattle, and good riddance. Bonus: we’ll have fewer serial child rapists too.

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GETALIFE

Once again you obviously are once again using DEM talking points about Ayn Rand without ever likely reading her books…it would help if you knew a bit of her background as well as some of the characters in her books before you pop off. Sure her politics and theory of Objectivism have ridiculous components and you may be interested to know that despite her “take responsibility” charge, she actually accepted government assistance under a ficitious name and up to her death from lung cancer (she was chain smoker) while refusing to admit is caused her premature demise..

I’m by no means a Rand apologist as in her personal life she was a hypocritical paranoid individual…but it’s understandable as she immigrated from St Petersburg during a Stalin era and the story lines and characters and fictitious society for both books is more suggestive of a capitalist system in a communist land..

I love her books for entertainment value…I also like Ben Affleck movies but certainly don’t care for his politics…

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Ugh! I have this networking event to go to! Just for the hell of it, I may go in and start talking like a (excuse me please josef), south atlanta projects pat. Oh wait, some of my bosses will probably be there. Never mind. I’ll talk as genteel and sweetly as a gently bred lady who went to private schools the majority of her life.

Which mean I’ll have ZERO fun.

Later gators!

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Certainly it is. Society changes, and for institutions to try to hold on to teachings that would halt that change puts that institution squarely in the column of “power is more important than anything else”

I agree. I’ll even give an example: The Archdiocese reluctance to offer the option birth control to their employees via “Obamacare”. They’re even willing to pay lawyers to go to court over the issue. I wonder if they’d be willing to forgo their “tax free” status if they loose?

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USMC

The moderator’s ex-husband worked at the Harvard Law Review. That is how Obama knew him. But if it makes you feel all good inside to think you have posted a huge find, rock on dude.

After all, you are the guy who was giddy about Hillary not going to the Dem Convention. Had all your little theories along with a link as evidence. Too bad you nor your article mentioned the the Sec or State can’t go to the convention, but it did make you feel good, huh?

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DDR

Here’s two for the Ryan…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDoFyKk-C4U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWz9VN40nCA

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…this makes you an obama homer…wouldn’t you agree?

For the umpteenth time and especially for those of you still in the cheap seats:

I SUPPORTED JUAN McSAME AND SNOWBILLY SNOOKI IN THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!

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DDR, your 4:53 is a perfect example of why, as a man, a womans reproductive rights are none of my business and must be protected.

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FIRST ON 3

and FREE FRED!

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ga_observer

October 11th, 2012
4:55 pm
On Obama “He’s clean, articulate”
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He didn’t say that.

He said ” He’s the FIRST clean, articulate…”

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“That would be Jesus.”

Actually, no it wasn’t. The Catholic church is founded on the supposed statement of Jesus that he would build his church on this “rock” – meaning Peter. But that was not written until AFTER Jesus died. There are no other indications that Jesus instructed his followers to establish any sort of church. He sent them OUT to minister, he didn’t instruct them to stay put an minister. A church (as in a place) is the ultimate in NOT going out to minister. It’s right in line with the standard Mediterranean system of “patron/client” power base. In fact, when Jesus was urged to stay at one of the disciples homes and let them bring the people to him, he specifically rejected that and continued on his wandering ministry.

“LOL! Let’s see, Peter, James, John, Annabel, Trixie, Judy…. who were the other six?”

It wasn’t meant to be funny. It’s entirely possible that what we are seeing in the “Twelve” is evidence of the power struggles in the nacent church after Jesus died. Those who could read and write, or who could afford to have scribes eventually came to be the power because they had written “proof” of their memories. There’s no proof whatsoever that the early books of the Bible are eye-witness accounts written down as they occured.

“Paul’s “let the women keep silent in church” line as proof women should ahve no leadership role. They tend to forget the Pauline letters were written to address specific questions or conditions. In many cases we have only the answer, not the question”

And the answer shows what the question was. Why would Paul (and it’s doubtful that he wrote all the letters attributed to him) would tell a congregation to keep their women silent if the women were NOT being permitted to speak? Why ban something that isn’t even happening? The writer said to stop that practice because it WAS happening.

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Paul – I saw that post after I posted mine. Can’t Catholics change parishes? I didn’t think they were limited geographically. That priest does not seem like he’s ministering to her needs. A change of location may be appropriate

We will, probably. My problem is convincing my sister. This was the parish she gravitated to when she first moved here from Brazil. It has a HUGE Brazilian congregation and she’s already made friends within the community. She met her husband at one of the get togethers there (he’s a member too).

And then you’ve got to figure in her complete SERVITUDE to cathollcism. She was ….not exactly cut off from the family…..but alone with our grandmother and aunt for years in Brazil while my mother and the rest of us were doing our thing here in America. She did my mother a great service by staying in Brazil to take care of our grandmother and our aunt when our grandmother became ill. In our family, it is the oldest daughter, (my mother), who’s supposed to do that. By my sister making that sacrifice she also sacrificed her youth, her freedom and her ability to escape from the stranglehold of catholic priests.

However, I have bro-n-law on my side, so I’m looking for another parish and he said once the babies are born and christened, he’ll recommend to her that we move. Besides, I think I’ve scared the sh##t outta that priest and he may hint around to my sister that it might be better to find another place to worship. Bad Debbie.
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OK — out for real this time. Later Gators! I’m going to get “edumacated” in the art of Networking for dollars!!!

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After the goofy pictures of ryan in Time magazine, they are calling ryan dumbbell.

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oops one more!!

TBG: DDR, your 4:53 is a perfect example of why, as a man, a womans reproductive rights are none of my business and must be protected.

Thank you for that.

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Mr Ryan is just another republican, small government hypocrite. The only private sector experience he has is a brief period working for the family construction business. The remainder of his young life has been spent in Washington DC sucking at the government tit. first as a staffer then as congressman. Now he has his government health care and pension and to heck with the rest of the citizens of the U.S. God save us from republicans!

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“Like: will Ryan pull a Romney Transformation tonight and count on the collective amnesia of the Republican faithful?”

Have to come up with another subject. I don’t make those kind of predictions. I’m notoriously (to myself anyway) BAD at it!

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mr,

I think we need to stop calling when pols actually slip up and tell the truth, gaffes. That is corporate media crap. I think issa should resign for playing politcs with a attack.

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I will pass on telling women what to do with their bodies.

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What crazy old uncle shyte is Biden going to say this time? Gotta love gaffe Biden. I do agree with his statement a couple of weeks ago about the middle class getting crushed these last 4 years. Once in a blue moon the man is right.

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Evening, Brosephus 5:32

Evidently it’s widespread enough to alarm the Obama campaign. Telling them to not vote for a person of another faith was one thing. Telling them to not vote for the President’s reelection was something else again.

I’ve seen numerous stories in print and on the wire services. And they’re not all recycling the same story about the same congregations.

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Mick

Fred’s in temporary time-out for “hectoring.”

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The best they can do is to perhaps change the subject from the administration’s demonstrated dishonesty in covering up their incompetence on the Libyan matter

Hell, Issa’s doing a damn good job of that all on his own. Then again, seems like it’s par for the course for GOP officials to be outing the CIA.

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“My point on “that would be Jesus” was in reference to who he selected to function in the administration of ordinances/sacraments/teaching. They were all men”

And again I say: it was MEN who wrote those words. We have NOTHING direct from Jesus, it’s ALL filtered through those he left behind and the evidence of disputes and power struggles is there in the record, though not always in the Bible?

If you want an interesting study, try reading the accounts of who found the empty “grave” after Jesus ascended.

“The ‘’speaking’ thing was, I think, not the act of speaking but of running things – especially when one considers who the members of that congregation were, what they were converted from and how their practices were at odds”

Doesn’t matter. Why ban something that is NOT happening? Women were banned from “speaking” Why? Because they WERE speaking and that was against the norm of the male-centric society of the place and time.

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Steve showed up but nobody hectored him so the example is set.

No hectoring.

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getalife

“I will pass on telling women what to do with their bodies.”

You’ve had better luck with asking, saying ‘please’ and winking and smiling, right?

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Bro,

issa is thinking about hearings on the job numbers conspiracy.

The bar gets lower every time he speaks.

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Mick

Weather’s been great here. About a week in the 50s, now in the low 80s but real pleasant.

I don’t think I’m in Texas any more…

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“You’ve had better luck with asking, saying ‘please’ and winking and smiling, right?”

You betcha

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Mick

I would rather be rusticated than defenestrated.

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Camille Paglia, a lifetime liberal, stated in an interview with Salon that she is through with Obama. And everything she said about him is exactly right. She proved herself not to be a mindless partisan (which is way more than the host of this blog and most of you can ever say).

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Mick,

Damn. Just damn. That’s a scary omen indeed from my con perspective.

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pogo

I like paglia but she is some kind of freak intellectual…in the end her views carry about as much weight as a feather…I do admire her truthiness but I find jane fonda more interesting…

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“She’s a certified nut job”

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I’m laughing at these posts…. but its high time to get on the bike and ride into the blue moon…I’ll be checking back later for the spin joust…

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“Are you saying that if they weren’t priests they wouldn’t be attracted to young boys?”

I think the point is the “serial” part. They would probably still be pedophiles, but it’s far less likely that their crimes would have remained protected for such a long time, and giving so many of them the opportunity to be serial pedophiles.

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Sandusky wasn’t a priest. Nor were/are most of the vile vermin that prey in the innocent.

Sandusky = another pedophile who had a powerful organization covering for him and giving him authority.

Pedophiles exist outside of powerful organizations, but when they get caught they don’t get an assist so they can continue raping. They don’t have a bunch of wingmen.

The Catholic Church actively worked to ENABLE child rapists. Why anyone would look to them for moral authority is beyond my comprehension. We’re not talking about long-dead Inquisitors–who no one expected anyway.

And this morally corrupt institution is supposed to give me instructions for use of my body? Why would I trust these men who claim a pipeline to God? They can’t even figure out how to call 911 when one of their Priests buggers a kid. So I’m really not taking their word when they cough up mumbo-jumbo excuses on who’s authorized to handle the magic crackers and oversee the ritualized cannibalism.

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I had to go google who Camille Paglia is, as I don’t have a clue about her. After reading a little, I see why I don’t know her. I almost feel like I wasted a few minutes of my time, but at least I learned a new name of somebody who I probably wouldn’t read anyway under normal circumstances.

At least pogo didn’t kill us with one of those 30 minute run-on paragraphs.

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“He basically stated that he would be hauling in Democrats in front of his committee on a regular basis”

He is failing badly and the Libya hearing back fired big time.

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Darrell Issa spent $2 million dollars of his own money to recall California Governor Gray Davis thinking that he could buy the governorship on the cheap. He was front runner among a hundred or so announced candidates until Arnold announced. Issa then got on TV and cried like a baby.

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Kam

I remember that too!!

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Both,

Yeah, that was his attitude and I read it before. Very partisan.

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They BOTH

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/us/politics/28oversight.html?ref=darrellissa&_r=0

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“The locals loved him and thought he would be a great governor.”

And not just the locals. I well remember the noises made about getting a Constitutional amendment passed so he could run for President. Not that it ever came to anything, but the noises were there.

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Black Guy @ 5:28, yes you are correct, a slam directly to Jesse (he’s NOT clean/articulate according to Joe) and indirectly to BO (as if it’s unusual for well, a Black Guy, to be either or both). A Fuzzy Zoeller special, if you will.

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they gonna’ put y’all back in chaaaaaaaaaains…..

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No ilk, you are slipping.

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SoCo/Bro

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A noun, a verb, another tax cut.

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getalife

What’s your take on the Turks intercepting the Syrian airliner on the way from Russia?

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josef,

Don’t know if it is propaganda and could use proof of the Russian arms.

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Kam

Thought you’d get a kick out of that one.

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Don’t Forget

You’re gonna end up in the same boat….

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Aquagirl/Doggone, I get your point and agree.

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This is a time in our lives when we harken back to the words of Teddy Roosevelt who said, “Speak softly but carry a big stick”. And Barak Obama has a big stick.

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Aquagirl

“If you think I dislike the Catholic Church, ask me about the jerks in charge of Cracker Jack prizes nowadays. They oughta be burnt at the damn stake.”

I love it when you let your soft side show.

Anywho, off to wax the car. Check in later.

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I see that Kyle is going to do the live thread like Jay. It will be fun to see the different takes “real time”. They should just combine it tonight.

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beck should not be driving if he is going blind.

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Don’t tread

October 11th, 2012
6:38 pm

Well, looks like Ryan already lost due to Glenn Beck’s SUV crashing.

Apparently he’s not familiar with the parking brake feature.

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Come on Jay.

I was REALLY looking forward to Fred’s comments on this debate.

Even Nixon got a pardon.

Free Fred!!

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This is a good guy……. clean.

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Guess you gotta clean out the closet BEFORE the debate…

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/paul-ryan-drops-endorsement-wisconsin-lawmaker-under-fire-173247435–election.html

Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan has withdrawn his endorsement of a Wisconsin state lawmaker who has come under fire for controversial comments he made about rape.

“State Rep. Rivard’s comments are outrageous and offensive,” Kevin Seifert, the manager of Ryan’s congressional campaign, said in a statement on Thursday. “Congressman Ryan believes there is no place in our discourse for rhetoric such as this. Congressman Ryan cannot support Mr. Rivard or his indefensible comments.”

My question is, if he said that last year, why is the endorsement now only being pulled? It’s funny watching the rats jump ship after the sh*t hits the fan.

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The longer Fred is away, the more recipes he will have to share when he comes back

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Just for Paul:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5_pEO8a8U

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WHEREFORE ART THOU, MITT ROMNEY?

By Ralph Maxwell
O, Romney-O, Romney-O, Wherefore art thou, Mitt Romney?
You flip-flop here, you flip-flop there,
You flip-flop almost ev’rywhere.
You ballyhoo what you’re gonna do
And then you pull a switcheroo;
You now malign what you found fine;
Seems like you’ve got a jellyfish spine.
Obamacare, by you begun,
Now you’d trash it on day one.
Gun control you did extol,
But now you’re preaching decontrol.

O, Romney-O, Romney-O, Wherefore art thou, Mitt Romney?
We’ve got no clue what you will do
Or what new view you’ll pander to.
Time was you championed women’s choice,
But you no longer heed their voice;
On gay rights, too, guess you withdrew
Support they once enjoyed from you.
Global warming, EPA,
Immigration, minimum pay,
Roe V. Wade, also fair trade,
All joined your flip-flop cavalcade.

O, Romney-O, Romney-O Wherefore art thou, Mitt Romney?
So many things that you were for
You’ve turned against and slammed the door.
Stimulus and cap and trade,
Education, foreign aid,
Campaign reform, tarp rescues, too,
All victims of your switcheroo.
You take your stand on shifting sand,
We never know where you will land;
You vacillate, and you fabricate,
A wishy-washy candidate.

O, Romney-O, Romney-O, Wherefore art thou Mitt Romney?
As gov’nor you let taxes rise,
Now ev’ry tax you demonize.
You say regardless of the facts
You’d take an axe to the millionaire’s tax;
You’d feed the greed of the richest few
The poor and middle class you’d screw.
Your tax returns you hide from view
What evil lurks there we’ve no clue;
If they’re not bad why hesitate?
Is it that they incriminate?

O, Romney-O, Romney-O, Wherefore art thou Mitt Romney?
At Bain you plundered with a flair
And walked away a zillionaire.
You shipped off-shore, good jobs galore
To China, India, Singapore;
A job creator you are not.
And to boast you are is tommyrot.
As a total fraud, Mitt’s got no peer;
What we must do is crystal clear:
Let’s give Obama four more years!
Yes, it’s Obama – four more years!
FOUR MORE YEARS!
FOUR MORE YEARS!
FOUR MORE YEARS!

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Soldier Mom

Fred got an unsportsmanlike conduct flag for hectoring.

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SINKWICH

Hell if just not liking you is reason to be banned, then Big Daddy might as well sell the plantation…

BROSEPHUS

I think the Imam was just jealous he didn’t come up with the term…

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Hectoring? is that some of racial slur ?

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getalife

THAT is good news…tax that Yakima fireweed…seriously, though, that’s a tax a lot of folks wouldn’t mind paying…not to mention the jobs it would create.

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“Hell if just not liking you is reason to be banned, then Big Daddy might as well sell the plantation…”

Actually, I don’t care one way or the other…

One more leftie doofus on Jay’s blog makes no difference.

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josef,

Looks like my trip out West will be Seattle.

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“Fred should rot. Never to be heard from again.

Why?

He doesn’t like me.”

Well it is going to be lonely in this world with just you

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“I think it’s more like targeted heckling”

I don’t think so. I think it’s more like riding a hobby horse after it has made it clear it’s dying on it’s feet. It’s a “let it go already” kind of thing.

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Bro

This is targeted heckling LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpTVU3Ddlo

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SINKWICH

But if he banned EVERYBODY who don’t like you, there wouldn’t be enough bloggers left to keep the place up and running…
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The world would be empty after we all rotted

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Is it even possible to be a “bully” on a blog-ground ?

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TBS@7:09

Yeah, but it would be a souless planet

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“But if he banned EVERYBODY who don’t like you, there wouldn’t be enough bloggers left to keep the place up and running…”

Sad, but true…

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Is it even possible to be a “bully” on a blog-ground ?

Jay’s blog-ground… Jay’s rules.

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My point exactly… Some posters can’t type a sentence here without throwing invectives.

True, and my guess is that Jay blows by some of their posts just like the rest of us. Can’t really say I blame him.

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getalife

Go up to Bellingham while you’re there…the ride up I-5 at one time was ranked the most beautiful stretch of interstate in the country. Go up the Skagit Valley, Tom Wolf described it as a Chinese watercolor in its aura…and believe me, a drive around the Olympic Peninsula and the rain forest is a lifetime memory…and, I assure you, the Yakima is just the right frame of mind for exploring G-d’s Country…

My advice, though, is to do it in late July or August!

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joseph

I rented a car while staying in Seattle for a week and drove the Olympic peninsula. I stopped just before going into the park to get a bite. When I went to the window of a drive-in to order, the girl behind the window got huge eyes and asked me to stay right there. She disappeared for a few seconds and came back out of the kitchen with the whole staff.

“Say something,” she demanded. I don’t think they get many people from Atlanta up there.

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Should Medicare cover hair plugs ?

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You libs

That’s a great story. I get that out west and in the northeast as well. My mom is from Panama, so I have a dark complication. I really throw folks for a loop when I they hear me speak.

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nice palin dig…..half of the freak show will be there for your viewing pleasure jay…..either way, conservatism wins again tonight…..aka…..jay’s ultimate fear

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Yes, count me in FREE FRED Sometimes he can deliver a lickin; even though his brains not ticking…

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” I simply just don’t give a rat’s ass about you.”

How liberal of you.

Mutual, I’m sure…

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YOU LIBS

That really tripped us out when we lived up there. We were in the student lounge one day and a small group came over and asked if we would talk to them. “Sure, but what about?” “Oh, it doesn’t matter. We just want to hear you talk.”

What was bizarre to us, given the usual nastiness in much of the country toward the Southern dialect, was how complimentary it was.

Now here’s the funny part. Since that was then and this is now, and we’re talking of days and looks long gone, we were used to folks wanting to knock off a piece, but somebody who was hitting on you to hear you talk? THAT was a change of pace…

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mick,
i know how individual responsibility and individual liberty and limited gov’t while providing for the common defence repulses libs…..that is what wins tonight…..need a hug?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fETIjVvv1Ds

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billybob

Not sure about Mick, but Sink seems to need one

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will do tbs……

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Bro

I rounded up a hug for Sink. Hopefully he will be ok

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TBG @ 6:43

That was funny

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