Ryan, Biden vie to be top second banana

Tonight, U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, the darling of the conservative right and the GOP nominee for vice president of the United States, takes to the national stage to debate incumbent Vice President Joe Biden.

And frankly, some people just can’t wait …

For reasons I cannot fathom, nobody to my knowledge has made a similar video touting Biden’s sex appeal. And if I’m wrong about that, please, allow me to remain blissfully ignorant and do not post it here.

The evening promises to be an interesting confrontation between two very different men. The strengths of one play into the weaknesses of the other, and vice versa. Biden, who wears his heart and compassion on his sleeve, vs. Ryan, the Ayn Rand acolyte who, in his own mind at least, tries to protect the makers from the takers. Biden, the older man, is also the more unpredictable, while Ryan exudes a Spartan discipline.

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The interplay between such two diverse principals makes the debate impossible to predict. Tonight’s debate may not draw the numbers attracted by Biden’s debate with Sarah Palin four years ago, but that was more of a freak show than a political event. For my money, this one has much more promise.

I’ll throw up a fresh post somewhere about 8 p.m,. with the debate scheduled to begin at 9 for live commenting as events dictate.

– Jay Bookman

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getalife

October 11th, 2012
2:59 pm

Joe should attack ryan’s voting record.

Georgia on my mind...

October 11th, 2012
3:04 pm

VP Joe Biden

Drudge

October 11th, 2012
3:05 pm

Biden is going to get crushed – he’ll look like Joe Biden!

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2012
3:05 pm

meh, I suspect Team NoDrama wants Biden to go easy, only hit back when/if Ryan takes a truly cheap shot–and I suspect Ryan will be told not to take any really cheap shots.

Kimmer

October 11th, 2012
3:06 pm

Joe is a nutty but has been down this road a few times already. He will be a cagy opponent but ultimately will be felled by his loose lips and the fact he has to go into this with Obama’s record chained around his neck.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 11th, 2012
3:07 pm

Well, I can’t hardly wait to see Eddie Munster this Ryan fellow and Plugs Biden go at it. That is, if it’s on Fox News. You know I wouldn’t even think of watching a librul channel and that’s all the channels except Fox News. Got my PBR, got my friend pork rinds, got old Ace to keep me company. I been going a little light on the PBR while watching TV ever since I shot out the old TV and part of the wall behind it. You can never tell, tho, when something will make me mad.

Drudge

October 11th, 2012
3:08 pm

I mean, literally and honestly – Biden is a moron, when you get called into the Oval Office with Hillary to discuss getting taken off the ticket, your own party has little faith in you. Ryan is young, aggressive and significantly smarter than Biden. I am practically tailgating for this thing! Stand up Chuck! Oh wait, Chuck is a paraplegic. Oh well, introducing Barack America! (true story…)

Do you all honestly think that this is going to be good for Biden and the Obama ticket after last week’s faceplant?

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2012
3:08 pm

Put another way, I think Team Obama wants to save the fireworks for the town hall, when there’ll be lotsa whoopin’ and hollerin’.

This is just boring conventional wisdom talking, though–I have no earthly idea how any of this will play out.

CJ

October 11th, 2012
3:08 pm

I don’t care how they perform. I care about their positions on the issues.

When Vice Presidential candidate pushes the lie that we can balance the budget by putting the Bush tax cuts and Pentagon spending on steroids, he will not get my vote. Whichever candidate suggests that we should overturn Roe v. Wade and that there is no right of privacy will not get my vote. Whichever candidate proposes to privatize both Social Security and Medicare will not get my vote. Whichever candidate seeks to slash Medicaid for children and nursing home care will not get my vote.

I don’t care how blue Paul Ryan’s eyes are, how full his head of hair is, what his body fat percentage is, or how much he loves his mother. Nor do I care about how articulate he is. What matters is whether he is right or wrong. And he’s already made clear that his primary mission in life is to enrich the already rich at the expense of everybody else.

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
3:10 pm

If this were a boxing match, it would be in the flyweight classification…

And that video is one of the most mutants display of non-talent that I have ever witnessed.

Right up there with Dennis Miller’s Half Hour News hour…

southpaw

October 11th, 2012
3:12 pm

“allow me to remain blissfully ignorant ”

Agreed. Hopefully, only Janna Ryan is REALLY interested in that.

godless heathen

October 11th, 2012
3:13 pm

Lessee, O’s @ Yankees, Steelers @ Titans, or Clueless Joe vs. Eddie Munster??

I’m thinking baseball.

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
3:13 pm

Do you all honestly think that this is going to be good for Biden and the Obama ticket after last week’s faceplant?

You using a variation of the word honest is ironic, but I digress, meat.

Probably not.

I’m guessing another field goal for Team Sudden Reversal.

Cutting Team Uppity Muslim’s lead to 38 – 13, late in the fourth quarter…

Regnad Kcin

October 11th, 2012
3:14 pm

Ryan is a target-rich environment, and Biden has played this game before.

Biden in a decision.

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

October 11th, 2012
3:15 pm

And if I’m wrong about that, please, allow me to remain blissfully ignorant and do not post it here.

:lol: :lol:

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Biden is a moron, when you get called into the Oval Office with Hillary to discuss getting taken off the ticket, your own party has little faith in you.

Where DO you guys come up with this crap? Seriously.

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
3:16 pm

heathen,

Raul Ibanez, if only for his magical dual feats in that one game, now goes down in Yankee history.

WOW. I’m still stoked over that performance!

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2012
3:16 pm

I’m thinking baseball.

I might have the mlb.com Gametime thingie going while watching the debate on CSPAN.

Regnad Kcin

October 11th, 2012
3:17 pm

Biden has that same “say anything that pops into your head” thing that worked so well for Romney.

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2012
3:17 pm

…or, I might have the NPR sound on, while watching the Os and Yankmes on TBS. tough call.

Filter

October 11th, 2012
3:18 pm

Anyone who calls someone with the intelligence of Joe Biden a moron is….well…..a moron. You can disagree with the guy all you want and granted he can’t seem to get his word to come out of his mouth right but he is far from a moron.

Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)

October 11th, 2012
3:18 pm

On the vote at this site(liberal extreme), Ryan did great in getting 44%.

Thomas Heyward Jr

October 11th, 2012
3:18 pm

Joe Bidon and Munster both voted for NDAA and the TARP.
.
I would only be interested in what their last supper request was after being tried for treason.
.
Forward Freedom!

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

October 11th, 2012
3:18 pm

CJ — GREAT post!

godless heathen

October 11th, 2012
3:18 pm

Raul Ibanez, if only for his magical dual feats in that one game, now goes down in Yankee history.

Agree, although I hate all things Yankee. Didn’t they sub him for A Rod?

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2012
3:19 pm

Where DO you guys come up with this crap?

DDR, I was about to post “what if… the Republican entry had run a successful law and real estate practice and gotten himself elected to the US Senate at age 30–you think they’d be calling that guy a ‘moron’?”

but, you know, pearls, swine, and whatnot.

Aquagirl

October 11th, 2012
3:19 pm

been going a little light on the PBR while watching TV ever since I shot out the old TV and part of the wall behind it.

That happens a lot in election years.

Pizzaman

October 11th, 2012
3:19 pm

The VP will clean up the floor with the kid!

For my Repub friends: Where does this stuff saying the Administration is “preventing” Military personnel from voting. All requirements for voting, like voter ID, are the responsibility of the States and there are 29 Repub states. So just how, and even better why, is the Administration doing anything. More bull!

Remember: Vote Early, Vote Often, avoid Republican voter ID, vote absentee.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
3:19 pm

Hilarious video!

Watch the debate?

Maybe just to match the event to TBogg’s twitter feed.

getalife

October 11th, 2012
3:20 pm

Van Hollen is Joe’s debate partner and he watched ryan’s votes.

I think Joe will attack those vote to put ryan on defense.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 11th, 2012
3:20 pm

Drudge — “I mean, literally and honestly”

I am literally and honestly still waiting for your exposition on your survey research ‘expertise,’ Champ.

Goldie

October 11th, 2012
3:21 pm

Joe IS the top second banana — the best veep of the 21st century!

:)

godless heathen

October 11th, 2012
3:22 pm

Odd are good that Clueless Joe will say something really stupid. Like how he and Obama have been burying the middle class for the past 4 years.

Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)

October 11th, 2012
3:22 pm

Being perfectly honest, Joe Biden is a good guy, kinda of a guy you would like to have a beer with and shoot the sh-t with. Ryan is like 25 yrs younger than Joe, hope no one really embarrasses the other. One is wise(at times) and the other is smart. It may be a draw?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
3:23 pm

Odd are good that Clueless Joe will say something really stupid.

What are the odds that you will say something really stupid about the first lady and her weight?

Adam

October 11th, 2012
3:23 pm

Where is the “Both sides will claim victory” option?

getalife

October 11th, 2012
3:23 pm

godless,

Liar, he said the gop buried the middle class.

If you can’t write the truth don’t write.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 11th, 2012
3:23 pm

“Plugs” is in trouble !

Simple Truths

October 11th, 2012
3:24 pm

I think tonight will be a “big f***ing deal.”

catlady

October 11th, 2012
3:24 pm

Ryan exudes a spartan discipline? Does that mean he is obviously willing to throw Granny under the bus? Let her starve in a roach-infested house with no heat, no food, and no health care? All to “save those who produce” from the “takers?”

cloudodust

October 11th, 2012
3:25 pm

Altitude check, please.

Goldie

October 11th, 2012
3:25 pm

“I been going a little light on the PBR while watching TV ever since I shot out the old TV and part of the wall behind it. ”

Redneck — please do go a little easy tonight… we need you back here posting your brilliance sometime tomorrow! :)

Joe Hussein Mama

October 11th, 2012
3:26 pm

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again;

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan

(rearrange letters) =

My Ultimate Ayn Rand Porn

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2012
3:26 pm

All to “save those who produce” from the “takers?”

Well, that cat food ain’t gonna eat itself.

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

October 11th, 2012
3:26 pm

I wonder if the girls who are singing in this video know that ryan is in the closet? I can’t wait until the “Real Hollywood Story” comes out about him and those male strippers on meth caught in bed together with a goat.

It’s hard to have a significant hetero relationship with a gay man. Ask Ryna’s wife, she’ll tell ya.

A TAT

October 11th, 2012
3:27 pm

I prefer to call it the…

Political Wanker (Biden) vs The Policy Wonk (Ryan)

No prediction from me.

josef

October 11th, 2012
3:28 pm

“…while Ryan exudes a Spartan discipline….”

Is that what they’re calling it? Greek of a sorts, no doubt, but I’m not sure I’d call pretty boy “Spartan…”

Adam

October 11th, 2012
3:28 pm

Does that mean he is obviously willing to throw Granny under the bus?

Over the cliff, not under the bus :D

Michael

October 11th, 2012
3:28 pm

Romney can dance around and flip flop, but Ryan has his name on a proposed budget plan. So, Biden will get a chance to challenge Ryan’s $700 billion cut to medicare. He can also challenge Ryan about Republican’s failure to support the veteran’s jobs bill. He can also challenge Ryan about the plan to increase defense spending and still balance the budget.
They’re both catholics, so Biden can ask Ryan why the catholic bishops consider his budget plan to be immoral.
Biden is the only candidate of the four who has a son that served in the middle east. Also, his wife and the first lady are very active helping veterans. I’m not aware of Ryan walking any of that walk.
Ryan collected social security as a teen ager, has a government job, and married a lobbyist. I don’t know why that makes him a hero to small government types.

Goldie

October 11th, 2012
3:29 pm

Y’all just remember that Ryan was co-sponsor of the bill with Sen. Akin that tried to re-define what the word “rape” means — religious extremist and not VP material at all!

:)

bman

October 11th, 2012
3:30 pm

I think Paul Ryan will perform better than Biden. But, thinking Biden will self-destruct is probably wishful thinking. Biden has been in the game a very long time and he can speak intelligently on the issues.

In other words…it’s not during the debate that Biden will say something stupid. At some rally the week after….that’s another story.

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

October 11th, 2012
3:30 pm

Kam: What are the odds that you will say something really stupid about the first lady and her weight?

10 to 1.

A Better bet would be that he say something/anything SMART — now THAT’ll be worth betting on.

Stands: but, you know, pearls, swine, and whatnot.

Word.

cloudodust

October 11th, 2012
3:31 pm

Watched ‘A Tree Grows in Brooklyn’ last night, filmed circa 1945. Good movie placing characters in 1920’s Brooklyn, New York. The characters protrayed either a ‘we’ll make it or we won’t’ mentality. No government intervention into their lives or the lives of those doing better, just plain people looking after themselves. Where have we gone wrong..? Social programs and the failure of them, top to bottom.

getalife

October 11th, 2012
3:32 pm

ryan was a horrible choice.

We will see proof of that in the debate.

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

October 11th, 2012
3:32 pm

Is that what they’re calling it? Greek of a sorts, no doubt, but I’m not sure I’d call pretty boy “Spartan…”

Check out the big brains on josef!! Unfortunately, I don’t think the Cons will get that one. :sad:

godless heathen

October 11th, 2012
3:34 pm

Liar, he said the gop buried the middle class.

He said no such thing, getalife.

josef

October 11th, 2012
3:35 pm

DDR

I don’t know any self-respecting goat that’d take up ten minutes on a slow night at the closet bar with THAT one…goats got a lot more class…even the old ones! :-)

independent thinker

October 11th, 2012
3:35 pm

First question to lyin Ryan: why did you vote for unfunded Medicare part D if you are a deficit hawk????
Was it just because you wanted to help George W. get reelected??
Second question –why did the AARP boo you and your momma out of their convention if you are the true savior of Medicare?
Third question – why did you and Todd Akin co-author 37 anti-abortion bills but not one jobs bill?
Fourth question- how fast did you run that marathon?

Adam

October 11th, 2012
3:36 pm

Ryan is really condescending and childish when he is challenged. I think that will come off in the debates. As of a few days ago he was still basically looking down his nose at any reporter who asked him a question he didn’t want to answer.

godless heathen

October 11th, 2012
3:37 pm

What are the odds that you will say something really stupid about the first lady and her weight?

About the same as DDR making a baseless claim about Ryan’s sexual orientation.

Peadawg

October 11th, 2012
3:39 pm

“Joe should attack ryan’s voting record.”

This^^^

Ryan voted for every single spending bill under Bush. Now he wants to act all conservative

Jefferson

October 11th, 2012
3:39 pm

Ryan is a young only worked in DC ass kisser.

godless heathen

October 11th, 2012
3:39 pm

Maybe ol’ Joe will don his blackface make-up and sing us a chorus of “de gon’ put yawl back in chains.”

getalife

October 11th, 2012
3:39 pm

godless,

I guess you believe the gop will suddenly stop helping the wealthy.

You think the gop will change.

A TAT

October 11th, 2012
3:40 pm

Oh…and let’s not forget the “I Have a Crush on Obama” video.

If I’m not mistaken, she’s since lost her infatuation with Obama. She’s looking to expand her options.

what-evah

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2012
3:40 pm

About the same as DDR making a baseless claim about Ryan’s sexual orientation.

yeah, I agree, that’s a five yarder, loss of down for not at least including “not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2012
3:42 pm

Maybe ol’ Joe will don his blackface make-up and sing us a chorus of “de gon’ put yawl back in chains.”

Funny, I told Team Obama they’d get my next paycheck if he did that, but never got a reply… ya never know.

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
3:42 pm

Yep, heathen they put him in for ARoid.

Which is great by this Yankee fan! Ibanez seems to be a great guy.

And unless Cincy rallies, the Little Red Machine is gonna get swept at home…

weetamoe

October 11th, 2012
3:42 pm

Hey cj it was Joe Biden who voted to overturn Roe v Wade. That is one of those darn verifiable things they call facts. Should not take you long to verify.

Ray Tardinski

October 11th, 2012
3:42 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPKzkt1NuWY

Well’s there’s proof you might be an idiot if you blogged any comments with the words Biden and intelligent. Ryan better hope Biden doesn’t repeat everything he says, he is a plagiarist and it has been proven many times.

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
3:42 pm

@squared, kinda quiet at Kyle’s?

Paul

October 11th, 2012
3:43 pm

Predict this one?

You’re kidding, right?

Either one could find themselves as president if the unthinkable happened. Gotta go with Biden on this one. We’d be close to getting out of Afghanistan now and he’d be much more in the ‘reality’ vs the ‘theory’ camp regarding domestic policy.

hi there, josef

“Greek of a sorts, no doubt, but I’m not sure I’d call pretty boy “Spartan…””

I think Jay means in terms of focus on the mission. Not wavering. Pressing on regardless of the odds. Then there’s that ruthless streak -

josef

October 11th, 2012
3:43 pm

HEATHEN

DDR ain’t the only one saying it…and let’s face it, some of us do know his kind when we see/smell it…sorry, but he ain’t foolin’ me…sicko, self-loathing and I wouldn’t let my boys go on a camping trip with him…jus sayin…

Of course, given the pecadillos of the GOPers along those lines, he’s a party man…

getalife

October 11th, 2012
3:43 pm

“Ryan voted for every single spending bill under Bush. Now he wants to act all conservative”

True but Joe will attack his voting record the last four years too.

The obstruction, voting no on another middle class tax cut and several votes to end Medicare. There is a long list of voting no on helping the middle class.

The gop will not change or stop voting for the wealthy only.

cons like godless fall for that crap.

Simple Truth

October 11th, 2012
3:45 pm

I remember the way Biden handed Palin her shapely derriere four years ago.

And how the conservative commentators spent the next several weeks congratulating her on her debate “victory”.

As long as there is no concurrent fact-check mechanism employed in these debates, it will continue to be form over substance; bluster over rationality; lies over truth.

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
3:45 pm

Jay’s minions currently have Smokin’ Schmoe Joe up 15 to 8 over Eddie Lyin’ Ryan.

Speaking of minions, I saw Despicable Me for the first time recently.

A great little movie…

Goldie

October 11th, 2012
3:46 pm

Americans can’t have a religious zealot like Ryan anywhere near the White House.

Romney/Ryan – Bad For America!

:)

josef

October 11th, 2012
3:47 pm

PAUL
I don’t know what the Imam means, but I sure know what comes to my mind vis a vis Fluffy…Ain’t no man gets that bent out of shape that ain’t hidin’ sumpin…

A TAT

October 11th, 2012
3:47 pm

Debbie:

Where do you come up with YOUR crap @ 3:26.

Nevermind…it’s obvious jay’s been at it again.

Ryan exudes a Spartan discipline.

First Charlie Crist and now Paul Ryan.

I’m out.

Doggone/GA

October 11th, 2012
3:48 pm

“granted he can’t seem to get his word to come out of his mouth right ”

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to find out he’s at least mildly dyslexic

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
3:48 pm

“I Have a Crush on Obama” video…

Oh yeah, I remember those vapid things.

That chick with the huge ……………………………….. tracts of land. (see Python, Monty)

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

October 11th, 2012
3:48 pm

heathen: About the same as DDR making a baseless claim about Ryan’s sexual orientation.

Ooooo struck a nerve! Direct Hit! Score. Well at least I didn’t make an EFFECTIVE claim about yours. Or the lack thereof……

josef — Good one!

weetamoe

October 11th, 2012
3:49 pm

Josef: Spartan no doubt refers to Ryan’s punishing exercise regime and sleeping on a lumpy couch in his office rather than renting an apartment. But the other thing was also Spartan, though I don’t think Ryan is interested.

Doggone/GA

October 11th, 2012
3:51 pm

“Ryan is really condescending and childish when he is challenged”

Or he’s loud and overbearing…or all four

Road Scholar

October 11th, 2012
3:52 pm

Is this all they have for Ryan? If he is sooooooo determined to reduce the debt, why doesn’t he cut the congressional health club (can anyone tell me how much that costs-it is NOT a single line item on any budget), the healthcare for Congress, and any alleged fact finding trip? Since many conserves can predict the future, know what President Obama is thinking, knows what goes on when President Obama is away from the WH, etc., why don’t they tell us all the details in Libya, Syria, Iran, etc??

Romney lied, but it was OK since the repubs feel he “won” the first debate! Does Ryan have his own etch-a-sketch, or does he have to borrow Mitt’s?

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

October 11th, 2012
3:53 pm

Hey I saw that documentary on LOGO about republicans and some DEMS who routinely vote AGAINST gays; but who are really in the closet.

Charlie Crist is on the list, so is Paul Ryan.

Don’t hate the messenger. Hate the closet.

josef

October 11th, 2012
3:55 pm

DDR

Seems Romney spent some time with Ryan when he was in France and went down to Monte Carlo saying something about a missionary position… :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiYF7pUPuFs

Adam

October 11th, 2012
3:56 pm

Peadawg: Ryan would love for Joe to attack his record under Bush. Then he can bring out that stupid vapid canard “Bush isn’t President anymore.”

Goldie

October 11th, 2012
3:56 pm

I’m with Independent Thinker — Joe needs to ask Ryan about his marathon time tonight!

:)

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 11th, 2012
3:57 pm

The Presidential debate was an enjoyable time here with Jay giving his commentating updates. Check it out if you get a chance.

A TAT

October 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

Debbie:

Let me just say with all sincerity…

I’m glad you were able to come out without being forced.

Rightwing Troll

October 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

“Ryan voted for every single spending bill under Bush. Now he wants to act all conservative”

Under who?

DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math

October 11th, 2012
3:59 pm

Seems Romney spent some time with Ryan when he was in France and went down to Monte Carlo saying something about a missionary position…

You. Are. So. Bad.!!! But I like it!! :cool:

Ray Tardinski

October 11th, 2012
4:00 pm

Josef –

Va chier mon tabarnak

josef

October 11th, 2012
4:01 pm

DDR

They does get prickly, don’t they! I mean, for real, ain’t SOME things obvious…shoot, Divine would come off butch put up against THAT…

And, sorry GOPers, but y’all do have quite the cast of closet characters…if he’d gone ahead and chosen Paul Babeu as a running mate, some of us might believe that the GOP ain’t a pack of slobbering gay-haters…

JamVet

October 11th, 2012
4:01 pm

In the blue corner, we have the the gaffe-prone, plagiarizing VP from PA (but not Easton).

And in the red corner we have the gaffe-prone, NPR-hating nobody from Wisconsin.

Speaking of costly gaffes, guess who is not on the ticket instead of Eddie?

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/whoops-bobby-jindal-calls-it-obamneycare

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 11th, 2012
4:02 pm

I hope if they ask about the 1% Joe doesn’t think it is a question about his charitable giving.

godless heathen

October 11th, 2012
4:05 pm

DDR,

Your trite and potty-mouthed accusations don’t bother me, I was just using your post as an example of the level of intelligent discourse displayed by Obamanauts on the blog that don’t bother Kam a-tal. But don’t make a comment about Michelle’s arse unless you want to bear the full force of Kam’s indignation.

josef

October 11th, 2012
4:06 pm

RAY

Qu’est-ce c’est…tabarnak? … français ou hongrois? …

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 11th, 2012
4:07 pm

But don’t make a comment about Michelle’s arse unless you want to bear the full force of Kam’s indignation.

Michelle’s ass isn’t running for public office but Ryan’s is, sport.

CJ

October 11th, 2012
4:07 pm

…it was Joe Biden who voted to overturn Roe v Wade

Shame on him. But I’m not interested in Biden’s position 30 years ago; I’m interested in his position today.

More importantly, I’m interested in the position of the guys at the top of the ticket that the Veep candidates represent.