Romney prospers by stiff-arming modern conservativism
The polls remain tight, with several national pollsters giving Mitt Romney a small lead for the first time. Viewed strictly in terms of political science, rather than partisan politics, it’s a fascinating and rather sudden turn of events.
And what does it mean?
I think it’s fair to say that should Mitt Romney end up winning the presidential race, his victory will be a repudiation, rather than a validation, of modern American conservatism. I don’t know how else to interpret the fact that Romney was losing the race, badly, right up to the moment in the first debate that he ran fleeing from conservativism like a 12-year-old girl fleeing a Halloween haunted-house attraction.
Look where he stands today in terms of policy, compared to a few weeks ago, and the contrast is stunning:
He has pledged to the world that he won’t cut taxes, and most important of all he would never cut them for the rich. He also promises that he won’t do a thing about trying to outlaw or restrict abortion, and like Obama, he’s not going to kick out illegal immigrants brought here as children.
He won’t reinstate “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” and his health-care plan is going to cover those with pre-existing conditions. His “47 percent” comments, he tells us now, were “just completely wrong,” and he won’t reduce spending on Medicare or Social Security and he won’t cut education either. He’s even in favor of government regulation because “you can’t have a free market work if you don’t have regulation.”
Every single one of those newly packaged positions contradicts or seriously compromises an important conservative position. He and his advisers — in this case reportedly his wife and eldest son — came to the wise conclusion that he could not win otherwise, and the market has confirmed their wisdom.
The question, of course, is how Romney would govern if actually elected. I don’t have a clue on that one.
– Jay Bookman
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Stew Day
October 11th, 2012
9:37 am
Jay here is what is at play–the candidate Mitt Romney was able to actually speak directly to the American people, and his policies make sense to millions. Up to now not the only interpretation of Mitt has been thru the tainted lenses of the American bias press. The more exposure he gets the better it is for his chances to win this election. That is hard to realize when you are a idiolog pundit but not veryone agrees with the media and their defination of leadership. Mitt with two more debates will continue to surge and will win this election.
gm
October 11th, 2012
9:38 am
Don’t Forget
These numbers were fixed according to the right nut jobs, no other President in the history of the country has job numbers been quesion, but then again back in those days there were no racist bigots like 3 times high school drop out Rush Limbaugh.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
9:38 am
“In fact, Romney doesn’t have a clue…”-Ol’ Timer
No Ol’ Timer, this is the shining example of CLUELESS!
Romney “SCHOOLING” Comrade Obama…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKMUHcgsbag
Mick
October 11th, 2012
9:39 am
mighty
Did it ever dawn on you that all this campaign money from both sides is creating employment? Yes, romney is aiding his opponent in that regard…
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:39 am
Just to reiterate, I’m much better off than I was four years ago. You conned really missed out on an opportunity.
b-troll
October 11th, 2012
9:40 am
Funny and Depressing at the same time. Auto manufacturers are having to make lighter cars because Americans keep getting fatter. In part from driving cars. Ah, the irony…..
——
Starting with the statistic that Americans’ weight gain is burning more than one billion gallons of excess fuel each year, Allstate and Cars.com have created an infographic explaining the complex struggle between fuel efficiency and passenger weight (check it out below). The short version: as automakers explore their options to meet ambitious federal corporate average fuel economy standards of 54.5 mpg by 2025, obese passengers make the efforts more complex.
The infographic, called “The Seesaw Battle of Fuel Efficiency,” looks at what automakers are doing to meet the 54.5 mpg mandate during a time when more than one third of American adults are obese. For the automakers, cutting down weight is important because every 100 extra pounds can cut fuel efficiency by up to two percent. To improve efficiency, automakers are reducing vehicle weight by using more lightweight, high-strength steel and lightweight aluminum. They are also changing accessories inside the car, such as using MP3 players instead of CD players, flash drives instead of owner’s manuals and air pumps instead of spare tires. To paraphrase Jay Leno, take out all you want, we’ll eat more.
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/10/10/challenges-ahead-to-reach-54-5-mpg-as-americans-get-heavier/#continued
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:42 am
GM
Please elaborate on your suggestion that we were in the (academy award for most dramatic statement of the day) “mouth of hell”…what exactly did he do to improve security? Have a go will you? His leading from behind stategy sure isn’t paying off in the ME..
Who are you calling bigots? Just because a lot (understatment) of folks want BO out of office doesn’t mean it’s because he is beige…that argument is sign you got nothing else to offer..
In fact, all the bigotry and racism-slavery charges that continue to get play as there star becomes harder to defend will only serve the purpose of potential violence if the american people don’t grace him with another 4 years…you better vote cuz many of the young and minorities who voted in 2008 aren’t coming out..
How much better are the african americans after BO’s first 4 years?
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:42 am
Romney schooling someone! He must be teaching a class on sophistry! Is his opening line to the class, “I built that lie and you can too!”
gm
October 11th, 2012
9:42 am
USMC Gomber
Please every one knows you never served in anything but the Boys Scout, becase it would have been to hard for you to serve under a African American Commander Chief.
Mick
October 11th, 2012
9:42 am
usmc
Hey mr jarhead, I must admit that you are pretty tenacious in all your attempted assaults on president obama…too bad you haven’t been able to sustain a serious blow yet, just some dings and bruises. Keep working on it, there is a achilles heel somewhere but most likely that would be on the mittsiah…
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
9:43 am
Joseph:
Compared to Obama Romney is about as far right as you can get.
Are you serious? Obama himself is pretty center right, and the problem is that we just don’t know about where Romney really stands, but it is probably somewhat to the right of Obama though not too far, on most issues.
Unlike dems who pushed through a healthcare bill that no one likes and wasted a trillion dollars.
Completely wrong. It’s only unpopular to the extent that it did not go nearly far enough.
You’re probably right though in your predication of all the ways Romney will rubber stamp hard-right legislation.
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:43 am
kayaker 71
“Why are all you liberals so critical of the Mormon faith whereas Islam can do no wrong? ”
Whatever in the world led you to believe those on this blog being critical of the LDS faith are liberals?!!?
From the tone, the links and the general mode of operation, I’d say they’re mostly evangelical or fundamentalists. Like Baptists.
Unless you’re making the case evangelicals, fundamentalists and Baptists are liberals?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:44 am
TAXPAYER,
Who cares if YOU are better off…the masses of those who can’t find a job, afford a tank of gas, and afford groceries, aren’t better off…it’s almost like you are gloating…which would offend any of those aforementioned…what about african americans? How has their plight improved?
Don
October 11th, 2012
9:44 am
If you want to know who the “real” Romney is, examine what his dad, George did. Mitt was raises with his father’s ideals. Also, take a look at how Mitt governed Massachusetts. He is a moderate pragmatist. Always was. Still is. His positions are not very different from Obama’s. The biggest difference is that Mitt is an effective administrator and chief executive.
DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math
October 11th, 2012
9:44 am
There he goes again……………..
USMC copying and pasting from BreiFart again.
USMC — Have you ever had an original thought? I mean besides, “I think I have to pee”? or “I’m hungry”? Just asking………..
MightyRighty
October 11th, 2012
9:44 am
Let me put to rest the fears those of you on the left have regarding race and president Obama. Obama’s dismal failure as president will not be blamed on the color of his skin. Unlike the lefties who’s vote is predicated on race, we on the right base our vote on the content of one’s character and their ability to do the job we are hiring them for. Obama’s failure has nothing to do with his race, He demonstrated dishonesty has nothing to do with his race. He will be replaced simply because he is a dishonest human being and a Marxist. His failure will not harm the chances of future minorities to become president, but the blind following of his ideals and dishonest charachter will.
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:45 am
” Up to now not the only interpretation of Mitt has been thru the tainted lenses of the American bias press. ”
Ahhh, the old “the Mitt we’ve seen for a couple years wasn’t the real Mitt because the liberal media gave us a biased view” defense.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
9:45 am
I’ve noticed that people here on this forum labor under the assumption that Obama is “left” or “center left”, which is manifestly false.
Obama is solidly center right. The inability to get that right handicaps much of the analysis not only in places like this, but among observers in the media and strategists in the two major corporate parties as well.
kayaker 71
October 11th, 2012
9:45 am
Seems that that battery plant that makes batteries for the Chevy Volt is closing it’s doors……. after not producing a single battery. Wonder how much that cost the American taxpayer?
Donovan
October 11th, 2012
9:45 am
The Ringmaster is now in overdrive with 3 anti-Romney postings a day now. What is more telling now is that the Ringmaster is concerned about the outcome of this election. All of his myrmidons are becoming more unglued at the mere mention of the Ringmaster’s concern and the Big Bird angle is being replaced with what will Mitt do if he is elected.
Relax, little liberals. Mitt will take care of what needs to be done for this country. He has his foot in the door and the American people are now on his side. Your painful squealing only makes things worse. You had your time in the sun and the only thing you accomplished was a bad sunburn.
All in all, I guess Super Mitt realized there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Let’s all sit back now and watch how Old Joe contributes to the demise of Camelot tonight.
DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math
October 11th, 2012
9:46 am
Obama’s dismal failure as president will not be blamed on the color of his skin. Unlike the lefties who’s vote is predicated on race, we on the right base our vote on the content of one’s character and their ability to do the job we are hiring them for
Thank you for reading another chapter of Lies. Damn Lies and Republican Lies.
Amen.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
9:46 am
The evidence is piling up against Comrade Obama…
“WHAT did Obama know, and WHEN did he know it???”
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/10/Rove-Superpac-what-did-the-president-know
The evidence is mounting as more questions arise…
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:47 am
Taxpayer
“Just to reiterate, I’m much better off than I was four years ago. You conned really missed out on an opportunity.”
That’s what happens when conservatives don’t feel an obligation to save to provide for themselves and expect the government to provide for them. Same thing with health care.
//snark//
gm
October 11th, 2012
9:49 am
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
Have you ever thought about the thousands of voters who were to young in 2008 are comming out? my 401 looks a lot better now then it did 4 years under W, please dont ever quesion O on keeping America safe, here is a reminder.
Under W, 15 embassy were attacked, 3500 Americans dead in Ny, 4,00 American troops dead in Iraq, I dont think sane Americans want to go back to that”””
You wont be happy untill if elected Mitt will send all you poor, middle class whites to die in a war he will start while his sons take vacations,
DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math
October 11th, 2012
9:49 am
Who cares if YOU are better off…the masses of those who can’t find a job, afford a tank of gas, and afford groceries, aren’t better off…it’s almost like you are gloating…which would offend any of those aforementioned…what about african americans? How has their plight improved?
You asked — He answered. If you don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question……………….
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:49 am
WELCOME
The ACA is clearly not popular to a convincing majority of americans but not because it didn’t go far enough..this is why, at least in my actuarial circles, why most americans want this to be modified or be completely overhauled..this is pretty sound data..
http://www.soa.org/Files/Newsroom/newsroom-aca-poll-results-0612.pdf
USMC
October 11th, 2012
9:49 am
“The Ringmaster is now in overdrive with 3 anti-Romney postings a day now.”-Donovan
Ahhh yes, Jay is merely echoing the DESPERATION of his fellow Leftwing Socialists who now control the DemocRat Party.
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:50 am
kayaker 71
“Seems that that battery plant that makes batteries for the Chevy Volt is closing it’s doors……. after not producing a single battery.”
I’m sure you have a cite?
’cause I’m wondering what all those Chevy Volts are running on, if the factory didn’t make a single battery.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
9:51 am
MightyRighty: “Unlike the lefties who’s vote is predicated on race, we on the right base our vote on the content of one’s character and their ability to do the job we are hiring them for. ”
Ah if only it were so.
In truth you’re a tool to the two-party system of false choices just as much as the Saab-driving liberal atheist liberal driving around Los Angeles and faithfully casting her vote for “hope and change”.
You’re a tool of the system Mighty. Face it.
TBone
October 11th, 2012
9:51 am
Romney will be elected not by the country club republicans but because tea party patriots will hold their noses and do the right thing for the country. The course of this country needs correcting and the American people will respond.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:52 am
DDR,
I didn’t ask the question…his gloating is an affront to all those still suffering who are not remotely better off..of the 15% of those out of work, underemployed or stopped looking, how many of those would say they are better off?
Of course most of those who blog here are not suffering..what difference does that make?
Soldier Mom
October 11th, 2012
9:52 am
“Jm
October 11th, 2012
8:08 am
Normal
Apparently you can’t read or hear
Romney said he’s not cutting taxes for the rich”
Which Romney are you referring to?
Kramer
October 11th, 2012
9:52 am
BENGHAZI! SAY WITH ME BOOKMAN, BENGHAZI. It is this presidents water gate. Everyday gets deeper and stinkier. You and the mainstream can ignore it but, it will not go away. Wait until the third debate on foreign policy. Gonna get fugly Bookman and you can not spin it away.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
9:53 am
MSM, Obama Campaign Collaborate on False Abortion Attack on Romney…
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/10/MSM-Obama-Campaign-Collaborate-on-False-Abortion-Attack-on-Romney
It appears that Jay Bookman’s article yesterday came straight from the Party Operatives! LOL!
Citizen of the World
October 11th, 2012
9:53 am
I never thought Mitt Romney believed much of what he was he was saying, just as I think most Republican politicians, right-wing pundits and talk radio rabble rousers don’t believe much of what they are saying. But this willful ignorance to appeal to the truly ignorant is evil of the highest order and it frightens the hell out of me.
Even if I thought Mitt Romney was the reasonable moderate he now professes to be, I would never vote for him because he has demonstrated exactly zero character.
Erwin's cat
October 11th, 2012
9:54 am
It could be that modern “conservatism” was mis-defined in the first place…Although the Tea Party is part of it, they never took it over in entirety and was never more than a fraction of a faction…contrary to what the left would believe or how they have tried to frame the right
gm
October 11th, 2012
9:54 am
MightyRighty
lefties who’s vote is predicated on race
Blacks vote 95% Dem, I guess Clinton, Carter, JFK were black so thats why minorties voted for them, I guess whites on the right vote for Blacks thats why Cain really had a chance, you people are the worst hypocrites.
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
9:54 am
Debbie Do
How are you? What’s on the
menu ?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:55 am
GM,
There is not evidence that any of the youth or minority voters will come out in same number as 2008…those who did are no longer excited, those who were too young have nothing to get excited about…of course they are seeing the upperclassmen/women not getting jobs upon graduation and needing help paying back loans…that’s depressing wouldn’t you agree?
ga_observer
October 11th, 2012
9:58 am
We can dissect Romney’s statements all day – but the fact is he was the best alternative in the end to the whole batch of left/right (and in Ron Paul’s case wacko) candidates to do the job at hand. And the job at hand is to get Obama and his cronies out of office.
Obama stands for the takers, the morons and the counterculture (Occupy!) that is destroying America.
Drudge
October 11th, 2012
9:59 am
I hope Biden is wearing a football helmet and athletic cup for his debate beating tonight. If you though Obama looked like a scared child, just wait till the moron starts gaffing.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
10:02 am
GM,
And how has President Trillions performed for the african americans? There is no measure available to suggest they are better off than in 2008…since 2007, both poverty rates and unemployment in the african american population are materially worse..
Obama used his speech to call for stronger African-American families, saying, “If we want to stop the cycle of poverty, we must start with our families.”
But the percentage of adult African-Americans in poverty rose from 19.8 percent in 2007 to 23 percent in 2010, according to the Census Bureau. The percentage of African-American children in poverty rose from 34.5 percent to 39.1 percent in 2010. African-Americans’ formal unemployment rate jumped from 9 percent in June 2007 to 14.5 percent this August.
And the reality is worse: The percentage of African-Americans in the workforce fell from 58.6 percent in June 2007, down to 52.8 percent in August 2012. Less than half of young African-American men have full-time jobs.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/under-obama-african-american-unemployment-up-wealth-wages-political-influence-down/#ixzz2900zCrk9
gm
October 11th, 2012
10:04 am
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
Are you kiding me? please turn off fox no news, Oh, Fl along has registered over 1 million new voters, even thought the right tried to change the voters laws back to 1960, more college students are fired up and not going to let Gordon Gekko(Mitt) cut their pell grants, even though rep have taken advantage of these same programs.
Verbal Kint
October 11th, 2012
10:05 am
“Which Romney are you referring to?”
The one that’s going to win on November 6th.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
10:06 am
Breaking News….
CBS 5 Poll: Romney Gains 8 Points On Faltering Obama In CALIFORNIA…
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/10/10/cbs-5-poll-romney-gains-8-points-on-faltering-obama-in-california/
CALIFORNIA is getting on-board with Mitt Romney…
DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math
October 11th, 2012
10:06 am
Hiya BF — I’m fine; Tonight is Thursday and I have a networking thingy to go to after work — you know the type, a bunch of professional women getting together and lieing about their accomplishments to each other! (Just kidding!! Please no feminist’s retorts!)
Tomorrow night I have a “date” with Dudley — taking me to a really good Brazilian Fusion restaurant that I LOVE! So, I’ll be taking a “siesta” from cooking for a few days, (I know my bro-n-law will be happy!)
================================
Unknown: Who are you calling bigots? Just because a lot (understatment) of folks want BO out of office doesn’t mean it’s because he is beige…that argument is sign you got nothing else to offer..
I know! Just because these same people SUDDENLY noticed that we were in debt for trillions of dollars as soon as BO took office, doesn’t mean ANYTHING!! It’s just coincidental.
In fact, all the bigotry and racism-slavery charges that continue to get play as there star becomes harder to defend will only serve the purpose of potential violence if the american people don’t grace him with another 4 years…you better vote cuz many of the young and minorities who voted in 2008 aren’t coming out..
What? Was that statement transcribed from another language and put into English? I doesnt make any sense.
How much better are the african americans after BO’s first 4 years?
Much better thank you.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
October 11th, 2012
10:06 am
WOW
a politician who will say one thing and do another in office
THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN AMERICA
we are doomed
UNCLE SAMANTHA
October 11th, 2012
10:08 am
my favorite
“this is the most important election of OUR times”
Krystal'sBalls
October 11th, 2012
10:09 am
@DebbieDo
Simple… they are PAID posters or linked to the GOP in some other official capacity. That is why they are here all day every day pumping the same BS! Jay’s a good man. I would block them.They really do pollute his blog.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
10:09 am
Welcome to the Occupation:
Are you serious? Obama himself is pretty center right, and the problem is that we just don’t know about where Romney really stands, but it is probably somewhat to the right of Obama though not too far, on most issues.
Sometimes I wonder how liberals think. Perhaps its being uninformed or maybe they are just plain stupid…
Completely wrong. It’s only unpopular to the extent that it did not go nearly far enough.
If this was the case then why wasn’t more far left loons elected in 2010 to go even farther. Bam! I just debunked you pretty good uh?
You’re probably right though in your predication of all the ways Romney will rubber stamp hard-right legislation.
You are correct on that assessment. But think about it. Its only the far left trying to paint Romney as a moderate. Why are Conservatives not spewing foam about it as the left are trying to do? Bookman is a prime example although he’s not taken seriously by most sane people…
DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math
October 11th, 2012
10:11 am
And the reality is worse: The percentage of African-Americans in the workforce fell from 58.6 percent in June 2007, down to 52.8 percent in August 2012. Less than half of young African-American men have full-time jobs.
Because OBAMA holds the “I can hire you” card and he hasn’t played it yet!! Honestly, Stevie – I really don’t understand how you could say something like that without falling into uncontrollable laughter……………….
Don't Forget
October 11th, 2012
10:11 am
kayaker 71
October 11th, 2012
9:45 am
Seems that that battery plant that makes batteries for the Chevy Volt is closing it’s doors…….
Wrong again kayaker.
From fox news:
Workers at the Compact Power manufacturing facilities in Holland, Mich., run by LG Chem, have been placed on rotating furloughs, working only three weeks per month based on lack of demand for lithium-ion cells.
Randy Boileau, a spokesperson for LG Chem in Holland, told FoxNews.com that battery production is expected to pick up once Volt assembly lines in Detroit resume production on Oct. 15. He said the facility has spent the past two years building infrastructure and conducting pre-production “test runs.”
RB from Gwinnett
October 11th, 2012
10:11 am
Jay, I was looking for something on AJC.com about the Lybia hearings yesterday and can’t find it. Is the DNC not letting y’all run that story or what? Hoping to keep the blinders on the sheep or what?
Maybe they’ll cover it on “weekend update” for the really news hungry libs.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
10:11 am
DEBBIE,
African americans in terms of unemployment across the board, unemployment for youths and children born into poverty have all materially increased since BO has taken office..I’m sure there exists no shortage of exceptions but you can’t deny the facts..
I agree the deficit is nothing new and all in DC are accountable..however the fact that it has increased more in 3 years than in previous 8, regardless of where the blame may reside, it a much more succinct and understandable talking point than trying to explain “its not my fault”..
USMC
October 11th, 2012
10:14 am
“— you know the type, a bunch of professional women getting together and lieing about their accomplishments to each other! (Just kidding!! Please no feminist’s retorts!)”–Debbie
That is hilarious Debbie, woman are ALMOST as bad as men are at telling lies!
(”You should have seen the fish i caught, It was THIS big”,,,,, “Yes, I had sex with that woman”,,,, etc. etc. etc)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
10:14 am
DDR, dog whistles and codes are fantastic aren’t they? They allow those who use them and those who respond to continue plausible deniability. That is why we look for things that show the pattern. Disparate impacts, etc. Of course, they continue their denial despite multiple demonstrable showings of a large contigent of those who openly vent hatred, significant disparate impacts, less “intrusive” alternatives and repeated demonstration that this is not a “single” case. All that requires some hint of rationality, something that it is impossible for most of our cons to truly comprehend because they are so wrapped up in wild conspiracy claims without evidence or facts.
kayaker 71
October 11th, 2012
10:16 am
Apparently, the LG Chem battery factory benefited form 150M in taxpayer funds to built batteries for the Volt. The employees of this plant have been on rolling furloughs for months due to the poor sales of the Volt. Each Volt that GM produces costs Chevy 50K. GM has only sold 7600 of these cars this year…… sales were supposed to top 40K. GM has offered to cut the price of this car by 25% and still can’t find buyers. At the plant opening, Bozo stated in a speech that this plant would be on the “cutting edge” of bringing manufacturing jobs back to America. Seems it didn’t turn out as he predicted. Romney was right….. this clown is really good a picking losers.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
10:17 am
GM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443294904578044442604293814.html
What % of those additional voters are registered democratic? The difference in this fact is negligible..
Joe Hussein Mama
October 11th, 2012
10:18 am
Williebkind — “Here we go again, the shrills, the lies, the uninformed spreading the gospel of progressive liberalism.”
How fortunate, then, that we have recent American history on our side to refute your bleating and indignant claims of mendacity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/health/views/03essa.html?_r=0
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/09/way-it-was
stands for decibels
October 11th, 2012
10:19 am
I was looking for something on AJC.com about the Lybia hearings yesterday
http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/general/10-things-to-know-for-thursday/pjrSb/
http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jamie-dupree/2012/oct/10/state-department-defends-libya-security-choices/
UNCLE SAMANTHA
October 11th, 2012
10:19 am
Obama himself is pretty center right
fact check: TRUE………. compared to BERNIE SANDERS, VAN JONES and ANITA DUNN…….Obama himself is pretty center right
Dirty Dawg
October 11th, 2012
10:19 am
I’ve got to say, reading all the right wing swill here has pretty much convinced me that an ‘Invasion of the Body Snatchers’ has taken over. ‘You people’, to borrow a description from ‘the first rich lady’, have devolved into the worst example of the worst of America…driven only by greed and prejudice and nurtured by ignorance and cognitive dissonance. If this – read Romney – is what you want running this country…and you succeed in getting him (and the men behind the cretin) in ‘official’ charge…then whatever positive example for the rest of the world we were supposed to represent will have been squandered – perhaps forever – and it’ll be on you…a fact that the rest of us won’t let you forget. By the way, you’ll find that whatever’s left of the Democrats in Congress can be just as obstructionist as your tea-partiers…can’t wait to hear how Romney will re-etch-a-sketch that.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
10:19 am
OBAMA prospers by stiff-arming “Honesty” and “The Truth.”
nude dude
October 11th, 2012
10:20 am
And moderate THIS !
kayaker 71
October 11th, 2012
10:21 am
Don’t Forget, 10:11,
They closed the assembly line because no wants this glorified golf cart. Get out the lipstick, Michelle…… now if I could just get this pig to hold still.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
10:21 am
DDR,
I have not idea what you are saying about BO I can hire you comment..the fact is and regardless of who is at fault, african americans in the whole are not remotely better of in term of youth and general unemployment rate and kids born into poverty…are you suggesting otherwise, deflecting, or suggesting that BO is waiting on second term to reduce all this metrics with specifics he has yet to release…??
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
10:22 am
Poor Bookman and his followers. He just can’t seem to getum going the last week or so. I just don’t know why? LOL…
stands for decibels
October 11th, 2012
10:22 am
about the Lybia hearings
…’course, maybe RB entered “Lybia” in the search field.
gm
October 11th, 2012
10:23 am
Enter yStevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am… our comments here
I guess the thousands of Africans Americans who worked in the auto industry from parts to supplies are not grateful for Obama saving their jobs, oh lets not forget about the thousands of African Americans taking advantage of job training in colleges that Obama has implemented.
Minorites were leading in groups without health care I guess they are not grateful for Obama?
Lets not forget about the mintories veterans who are getting assistant from the Obama adiministration after comming back from Iraq, yes minorities look at things and are more grateful then angery whites who hate the President because he is black.
nude dude
October 11th, 2012
10:23 am
Dirty Dawg = pinhead
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 11th, 2012
10:23 am
They closed the assembly line because no wants this glorified golf cart
Does the ODS cause the brain to stop functioning in these conned?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 11th, 2012
10:25 am
K71 — “Why are all you liberals so critical of the Mormon faith whereas Islam can do no wrong?”
Who says that’s what we think? I, for one have never said or thought any such thing.
In case you’ve forgotten, I’m an atheist, and from my perspective, christianity, judaism, wicca, islam, shinto, animism and buddhism are all cut from the same cloth. That said, it’s people’s RIGHT to believe whatever damnfool creation myths and Enchanted Man In The Sky tales they want.
From where I’m standing, K71, a christian like you talking smack about islam is as ridiculous to me as a Star Trek fan holding forth on why Captain Kirk is superior to Captain Picard. It’s just pointless bickering about fiction as far as I can see.
If you want to see me diss some muslims here on the board, then get some over here to post. Maybe you can get into a pizzing match with them and I can nibble on Cheetos and laugh at you AND them.
nude dude
October 11th, 2012
10:25 am
GM – why don’t you learn how to speak english ????
DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math
October 11th, 2012
10:25 am
StevieR: I didn’t ask the question…
Oops! My bad!
his gloating is an affront to all those still suffering who are not remotely better off..
You know that’s really funny coming from you Stevie R. When the jobs report came out four weeks ago and they were HIGH, you were so gleeful about those numbers I thought at one time you were stroking your……..keys…..and typing at the same time.
of the 15% of those out of work, underemployed or stopped looking, how many of those would say they are better off?
Better off than the alternative? The same stupid policies that got us in this mess int the first place? I’d say ALL of them.
Of course most of those who blog here are not suffering..what difference does that make?
Unlike our Conned counterparts, the majority of the people who do blog here CARE for their fellow man. They’re not trying to take away what little they do have, like UI Benefits, Food Vouchers, School lunches, etc; or calling them moochers and loosers.
We actually UNDERSTAND that they’re in pain — and not just mouthing inannities like a puppet with Rush LimpBalls hand up their azz.
Just saying.
nude dude
October 11th, 2012
10:27 am
( I can’t speak ebonic)
Peadawg
October 11th, 2012
10:28 am
Romney flip flops yet again.
“Delaware, Ohio (CNN) – Mitt Romney sought to clarify his position on abortion Wednesday, saying as president he would move “immediately” to de-fund Planned Parenthood.”
gm
October 11th, 2012
10:29 am
nude dude
Crawl back in to your hole or your trailer this is for grown folks conversation
Tom Middleton
October 11th, 2012
10:29 am
But we can say that if Romney had tried to win the primary on this new moderate stuff, he would have failed miserably.
And we also can say that the very same conservative Republicans who were recently complaining loudly when Mitt was losing with their ideas are now saying nothing at all.
So does this tell us that they’re just waiting to see if he will be elected, after which he’ll belong to them again like during the primary?
I don’t see any other way to read it, Jay, do you?
Mary Elizabeth
October 11th, 2012
10:29 am
Sadly, I think that it is more than Romney’s policies that has caused many to switch to Romney in the last weeks of this election cycle. I think what that switch basically shows is that many of the American people are impressed by aggression and that they will accept “surface reality” (the image Romney “projects” rather than what he believes (which continues to vary day to day, hour to hour) in order to accommodate someone leading the nation who they perceive as a dominating personality. (Romney showed definite traits of the bully in the debate with Obama.)
That glorification of aggression and dominance will effect American foreign policy in shaping a more hardline approach to world affairs, and election of Romney will say to the world that America expects to maintain its power and dominance of others in the world. Moreover, election of Romney will effect the brutality of sensibilities at home which can cut people, who do not earn much money in their working class jobs, from unemployment insurance, health insurance if they lose their jobs, Social Security unless it is a 401k, any remnants left of a real pension, and Medicare unless it is really Vouchercare.
Electing Romney will cause more CEOs to believe that they are superior human beings to their workers and, thus, treat those workers as Romney and the coal miners’ boss did when they mandated that those coal miners stand behind Romney when their hearts were not with Romney (and even mandate that they vote for Romney if they wish to keep their jobs as David Siegel implied to his lowly workers.)
If these traits of dominance, aggression and stratification of people by power and wealth are what the majority of American respect and what this nation will come to stand for, then America will lose the moral authority in the world. I will simply have to accept that newly created reality, and be saddened in witnessing it unfold. Lies will have defeated truth. However, I do not believe that the American people will elect Romney. We shall know, shortly.
b-troll
October 11th, 2012
10:30 am
k71:
“Obama doesn’t pick the winners and losers. He just picks the losers.”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
10:30 am
DDR,
Agree with you on your assessment of the CONS sources of data and thier media icons…yes, a majority of us to want to help people and I don’t thing all GOP’ers subscribe to the moocher game…certainly some do… Good one regarding touching myself..I got called out when I accused a BO supporter carrying on about how much she loved him of touching herself while typing her particular post..
I don’t recall gloating over a negative job report other than suggesting that it wasn’t a good development for BO…just as this new jobs report, however controversial as alledged by deflecting blind CONS, is not a good development for GOP.
stands for decibels
October 11th, 2012
10:30 am
By the way, you’ll find that whatever’s left of the Democrats in Congress can be just as obstructionist as your tea-partiers…
meh, if the Dems fail to hold a Senate majority, you can bet your bottom dollar that, with Mitt in the White House, those venerated Senate rules would change mighty fast.
(and even if they didn’t, any GOP shyness about significant bills being “rammed down our throats” through budget reconciliation, would magically disappear.)
gm
October 11th, 2012
10:31 am
nude dude
Good morning, how was your sleep in your trailer, right now grown folks are talking
b-troll
October 11th, 2012
10:31 am
“Delaware, Ohio (CNN) – Mitt Romney sought to clarify his position on abortion Wednesday, saying as president he would move “immediately” to de-fund Planned Parenthood.”
More specific than “Forward”
UNCLE SAMANTHA
October 11th, 2012
10:31 am
THE OBAMA DOCTRINE – field of dreams
if you didnt build that
they will come
make the green energy products first
then consumers will buy them
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
10:32 am
GM,
Its great that thousands of african americans have an improved lot…without this, the continued unfavorable trend in jobless and poverty may have been a fraction of a percentage point higher…
As they say in my program…keep coming back!
Erwin's cat
October 11th, 2012
10:33 am
kayaker 71 — say what you want about the Volt, but it IS a rolling wealth of technology and should have never become a political football, to call it a glorified golf cart is like calling USS Nimitz a glorified kayak
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
10:36 am
Joseph: “Its only the far left trying to paint Romney as a moderate”
Do you have examples of that? I am probably what you would characterize as “far left” and I’m certainly not painting him as a moderate. I frankly don’t know where he fits on the spectrum and I suspect we won’t know until we get a year or two into his administration.
Stevie Ray:
Those figures on ACA really don’t say much if you ask me. It’s clear that people are largely just guessing here; they don’t really know. No one really does. I do find it interesting that that last question about the extent that the uninsured will be reduced under ACA. I took from the survey choices that no one was contending that the number of uninsured would grow or stay the same, which is interesting don’t you think? Even if the number of uninsured only comes down modestly, that’s something, right? I think that says something that the people framing the questions don’t even deny that ACA will at least cut into the no. of uninsured at least some.
Also, the question about whether ACA can stand if the mandate falls gives away the game, too. Sounds to me like the responses confirm my point that people want the benefits of it to stand, even if they are squeamish about the mandate itself.
Erwin's cat
October 11th, 2012
10:37 am
ME – Electing Romney will cause more CEOs to believe that they are superior human beings to their workers
Stupidest comment of the week…
Verbal Kint
October 11th, 2012
10:37 am
b-troll: Here’s what Obama means by forward:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ar3s6KWCMAA5NZg.png:large
sam
October 11th, 2012
10:38 am
“Why are all you liberals so critical of the Mormon faith whereas Islam can do no wrong? ”
i read this blog and comments at least once week, this may be the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard.
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
10:39 am
DebbieDo
Good for you. Glad you and
Dudley are hanging on.
Military and Marriage need
high levels of tolerance
from both people. You can
do it. Professional associations are good too.
Keep on cooking!
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 11th, 2012
10:40 am
If Obama would send get well wishes to Jr. he would lock up the South and this election would be over.
DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math
October 11th, 2012
10:41 am
Krystal: Jay’s a good man. I would block them.They really do pollute his blog.
Well, they’re good for his “numbers”; even if what they’re saying sounds more like the braying of jackasses then real speech.
StevieR: African americans in terms of unemployment across the board, unemployment for youths and children born into poverty have all materially increased since BO has taken office..I’m sure there exists no shortage of exceptions but you can’t deny the facts..
How about the fact that BO doesn’t own a company, and can’t single handedly HIRE all the people who don’t have jobs? How about another fact that every time he’s tried to propose legislation to GENERATE jobs, Republicans have blocked it? How about one more fact — Republican congress ran on a platform in 2010 of JOBS, JOBS JOBS!!! And haven’t even TRIED to propose comprehensive legislation to enact on their promises?
And before you pull out that tired line about “The DEM SENATE!!!!!”; please be advised that I’ve actually SEEN some of those proposals, (SoCoBro hooked up to their website and showed it to us); and not one bill, let me repeat, NOT ONE BILL, that the repugs initiated had ANYTHING to do with jobs. The only JOBS listed in any of those bills was in the heading, NOT in the language of the bill.
I agree the deficit is nothing new and all in DC are accountable..however the fact that it has increased more in 3 years than in previous 8,
that has been disputed, on this blog, so many times that I won’t even deign to post YET AGAIN, the link that proves that statement a lie. It’s just a waste of time — I’ve come to the conclusion that you cons LIKE being conned. It must be something in the DNA.
StevieR: I have not idea what you are saying about BO I can hire you comment..
See statement above.
the fact is and regardless of who is at fault, african americans in the whole are not remotely better of in term of youth and general unemployment rate and kids born into poverty…
However they are STILL better off under Obama then they’d EVER be under another Dubya Clone.
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Keep: All that requires some hint of rationality, something that it is impossible for most of our cons to truly comprehend because they are so wrapped up in wild conspiracy claims without evidence or facts.
Word!
+++++++++++++++++++++
MC
October 11th, 2012
10:41 am
He’ll govern from the center Jay. He has a history of that and it also seems that the powers that be in the party have finally seen the demographic tsunami about to hit them if they don’t run like hell from the rightwing fruits and nuts. What is called “modern conservatism” more closely resembles something from the days of the inquisition and crusades. It is so obvious that the party needs women and Latinos a heck of a lot more than they need wingnuts.
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
10:42 am
Romney motto: “Reverse”
AmericaShrugged
October 11th, 2012
10:43 am
Obama made it very clear you can say anything while campaigning. It’s expected that you promise a bunch of stuff you know will never happen and then do whatever the lobbyists tell you to after you’re elected. See close Gitmo, reverse tax cuts on wealthy, keep unemployment below 8%, send 2 brigades to Afghanistan, etc., etc., etc.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
10:44 am
Mary Elizabeth: “I think what that switch basically shows is that many of the American people are impressed by aggression and that they will accept “surface reality”
I think I would disagree with this assessment.
The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people are nothing like us. They do not spend their days writing on blogs and thinking about the ins and outs of policy. To be blunt: the vast majority of people do not know what to think, don’t know what they really think about issues. Their heads are filled with vague contradictory scraps of more or less shallow pseudo-facts about things and they lack a larger reference point for bringing it all into focus. For this they look to politicians and parties to show some soft aspect that appeals to them, usually it’s some vague criterion like “tough guy” firmness, strength of character, etc.
So when they see a president come out after 4 years in office and get confronted by a guy who is obviously playing fast and loose with facts (people don’t know exactly how he’s being fast and loose, they just can sense that that’s what he’s doing) and all the president can do is bumble, shrug, and look constipated, it has a devastating effect on their confidence in him.
The depressing fact is (or encouraging depending on your standpoint) that people are attracted to even a shady character like Romney even if they disagree with him or distrust him, if he can show bravado and a certain brazen courage. That’s what Romney showed to brilliant effect. And frankly I’m not sure Obama will be able to recover from it, or more to the point, if I think he even should be able to.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 11th, 2012
10:44 am
Nine months ago, Jim Garlow, an evangelical pastor and leader of California’s anti-gay marriage initiative, called Mitt Romney “untrustworthy” and “not visceral on the issues that are cardinal to me.” It was a sentiment shared widely among religious conservatives. On Sunday, Garlow stood in his San Diego pulpit and told his flock he was voting for Romney.
I’m proud to say I don’t vote the same way as these people. Skeeeery.
stands for decibels
October 11th, 2012
10:46 am
jerbs SHEETZ