Romney prospers by stiff-arming modern conservativism
The polls remain tight, with several national pollsters giving Mitt Romney a small lead for the first time. Viewed strictly in terms of political science, rather than partisan politics, it’s a fascinating and rather sudden turn of events.
And what does it mean?
I think it’s fair to say that should Mitt Romney end up winning the presidential race, his victory will be a repudiation, rather than a validation, of modern American conservatism. I don’t know how else to interpret the fact that Romney was losing the race, badly, right up to the moment in the first debate that he ran fleeing from conservativism like a 12-year-old girl fleeing a Halloween haunted-house attraction.
Look where he stands today in terms of policy, compared to a few weeks ago, and the contrast is stunning:
He has pledged to the world that he won’t cut taxes, and most important of all he would never cut them for the rich. He also promises that he won’t do a thing about trying to outlaw or restrict abortion, and like Obama, he’s not going to kick out illegal immigrants brought here as children.
He won’t reinstate “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” and his health-care plan is going to cover those with pre-existing conditions. His “47 percent” comments, he tells us now, were “just completely wrong,” and he won’t reduce spending on Medicare or Social Security and he won’t cut education either. He’s even in favor of government regulation because “you can’t have a free market work if you don’t have regulation.”
Every single one of those newly packaged positions contradicts or seriously compromises an important conservative position. He and his advisers — in this case reportedly his wife and eldest son — came to the wise conclusion that he could not win otherwise, and the market has confirmed their wisdom.
The question, of course, is how Romney would govern if actually elected. I don’t have a clue on that one.
– Jay Bookman
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indigo
October 11th, 2012
8:59 am
Paul – 8:43
It’s the blind faith of adults with the mentality of 8 year-olds.
Don’t bother attempting any kind of rational discourse with these true believers as this is beyond their ability.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
8:59 am
GM,
“Scumbag”? Were our shores kept safe by your guy or did he benefit from domestic security measures already in existence? I worked for Aon at the time…many of us know the pain of loss but I wish you could point me to some evidence that BO changed or otherwise improved our national security? I guess you can’t point to the middle east eh?
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:00 am
I recall one of Mitt’s numerous positions as being that he will not cut taxes on the GOP job creators. Now what will you cons do for work.
GLR
October 11th, 2012
9:00 am
Romney will say anything to win. This is a man without basic principals & integrity .
Power & Money are his Gods . You do remember his off-shore bank accounts .
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 11th, 2012
9:00 am
Paul,
My son tried adopting a child here in the States and the frustration was so enormous that he finally went to China and adopted a Chinese girl. I glad he did though because she is a corker. But, the waiting lists, the paper work and, mostly, the seemingly arbitrary way in which parents are chosen makes adoption here emotionally difficult.
JKL2
October 11th, 2012
9:00 am
Debbie- Jm you just described President Obama! Except for the “conservative principles” oxymoron statement, you’ve described Obama to a “T””.
Outside of the “focus on jobs” and “spending cuts” part, you nailed that one…
Verbal Kint
October 11th, 2012
9:00 am
Are we ever going to see a Jay Bookman blog entry espousing the great record of Obama and how 4 more years of the same thing is exactly what this country needs or even wants??
You are bascially busy trying to convince people to NOT vote for Romney instead of convincing people to vote FOR the president.
DannyX
October 11th, 2012
9:01 am
“The cons are going to have to put a new spin on their old lie now that someone has let the truth leak out.”
Where did all the live-blogging Drudge fan boys go? They were all over that story yesterday.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:02 am
TAXPAYER,
Is there a connection between the cut funds and the denial or ignorance of calls for help by Stephens? Was he told he could have no more help because the GOP cut funding? I can’t find any suggestion that the two are linked…
Go Navy
October 11th, 2012
9:02 am
Verbal Kint
October 11th, 2012
9:00 am
I do believe that “most” people on this blog already know who they are voting for. Do you?
kayaker 71
October 11th, 2012
9:03 am
You might as well call the WH the Waffle House during Bozo’s first term…..
“I will close Gitmo”
“I will cut the deficit in half during my first term”
“No one who makes under 250K/ yr will see their taxes increase one dime”
“I am opposed to gay marriage”
“I am opposed to the Bush tax cuts”
“I am opposed to increasing the debt limit”
“The unemployment rate will drop below 8% if we just pass this stimulus”
“The stimulus will provide shovel ready jobs”
“If you like your health care plan, you can keep it”
“No lobbyists will work in the WH”
“I will accept public financing for my campaign”
All of the above were original positions taken by Bozo and then changed at some time during his term. Of course, it more prudent for liberals to leave these out of the mix.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 11th, 2012
9:03 am
Stevie Ray,
I’ll step out of my pacifist persona for a minute and say that President Obama’s use of drones has done more to stabilize our threat than anything any other administration did. Cutting the heads off of snakes always helps.
Doggone/GA
October 11th, 2012
9:03 am
“Are we ever going to see a Jay Bookman blog entry espousing the great record of Obama”
blogspot.com is ready when you are
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 11th, 2012
9:03 am
New jobless claims fall to 339,000. Lowest weekly number since 2008.
Go Navy
October 11th, 2012
9:04 am
..and one other thing…some have “aleady” voted absentee.
larry
October 11th, 2012
9:04 am
Romney went and took Obama’s position on a number of issues, but like his buddy from Texas, he will not govern that way.
Romney will govern completely opposite from what he said in the debate.
You can bank on it!
Williebkind
October 11th, 2012
9:04 am
In the news! The murders and destruction of our embassy personnel and buidlings in Lybia were perpetrated by terrorists. After weeks of denial and blaming a video by the present administration the truth is creeping out. Yes, the American people were deceived and lied to by the highest ranking government officials who made public statements to deflect an accurate account of the events. Was it incompetance or simply the way the progressive liberals do business? This troll reports and you decide.
DownInAlbany
October 11th, 2012
9:04 am
You are bascially busy trying to convince people to NOT vote for Romney instead of convincing people to vote FOR the president.
I nominate this for comment of the day! The is the truest statement made on this blog in a loooong time!
Kudos, Verbal Kint.
willydoit?
October 11th, 2012
9:04 am
“He also promises that he won’t do a thing about trying to outlaw or restrict abortion, and like Obama, he’s not going to kick out illegal immigrants brought here as children.”
Abortion will NEVER be outlawed, its just a scare tactic of the left to get the women’s vote…kinda like telling old people the republicans are going to take away their social security.
Also, I think most republicans (and democrats) would be happy if we would just secure our borders from this point foward.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 11th, 2012
9:05 am
kayaker 71
October 11th, 2012
9:03 am
You’re a hoot.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:05 am
TAXPAYER
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/steve-wynn-says-business-fightened-obama-145359421.html
One of many job creators concerned about BO…
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
9:05 am
Just remember: “It’s worked every time it’s been tried”. (the great political philosopher Limbaugh)
Go Navy
October 11th, 2012
9:06 am
DownInAlbany
October 11th, 2012
9:04 am
see my post above ^^^^^^
Union
October 11th, 2012
9:06 am
its all just a big game… ex biden said a few years ago americans couldnt survive with gas prices being @ 2 a gallon… bush was horrible.. he had to do something.. now.. flying home from san fran.. i had to fill up that rental car on the way back to SFO at a price of 5.05 a gallon.. where is the outrage now?
guess this is a non issue.. i thought biden cared about the middle class? least he and obama said they did.. did they lie?
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:06 am
Strange beliefs
Whatever? That’s your answer, ‘whatever’? Then you move the goalposts?
Don’t really want to turn this into a religion discussion, but I’ve read the propaganda you’ve cited before and what you cite as ‘doctrine’ or ‘fact’ is not. It’s rather like listening to some fundamentalist or evangelical with their little tracts headlining “What Scientists WON”T Tell You THEY KNOW About the LIES about EVOLUTION!!!!”
Because they don’t understand it in the first place, they take all the anti-garbage as fact and they get a kick out of thinking they’re on a mission to save people from something.
BTW – the point of my first post was to illustrate when it comes to matters of faith, anyone can make anyone’s else faith sound stupid.
The second part of the post is to illustrate I’d done exactly what you did in your second post – take a belief system, misunderstand it then use that as a factual basis for an attack.
And before you come back with ‘well yeah, by they are lying and I’m right” I could just as easily say the same thing about my characterization of ‘mainstream’ Christianity.
As fa as you second link, you appear to not be familiar with some of the most basic teachings of mainstream Christianity. You might want to take a break and really read your New Testament where it says you will see G-d and be like him and use that as a jumping off point for reading what you should believe about theosis. So both your groups are using different words to describe the same concept, but the people who make those videos are too ignorant to see it.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:07 am
Just for you, Stevie Ray, since your Google seems to be inoperative,
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration’s request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 — cutting back on the department’s request by $331 million.
jconservative
October 11th, 2012
9:07 am
Net Jobs Created (by decade)
1960’s……31%
1970’s……27%
1980’s……20%
1990’s……20%
2000’s……..0%
(US Bureau of Labor Statistics)
I throw these numbers out every few months. The question is how tax policy will reverse the trend.
Those two nasty words “globalization” and “technology” appear to be the reason for the trend. Neither Obama nor Romney address this trend. They both talk about jobs and both talk around the need to create jobs in new industries. But that has always meant government involvement and Congress appears to be reluctant to “invest” in anything requiring spending.
So, what to do?
DannyX
October 11th, 2012
9:07 am
“In the news!”
In the news, Republican House admits to cutting embassy security funding.
Republican House outs a secret CIA mission.
Embarrassing. Incompetent.
Williebkind
October 11th, 2012
9:08 am
The unemployment soars to 2010 levels. Government agencies are inundated with new claims for food, housing, and higher education. After careful review the concensus of 3000 liberals blames Bush.
kayaker 71
October 11th, 2012
9:09 am
Still no thread on Libya. Maybe if just ignore it long enough, it will go away.
Mitt Romney's Strange Mormon Beliefs Exposed
October 11th, 2012
9:09 am
Okay, what are you telling me? Is your religious reference guide the Bible or Book of Mormon?
JoeFann
October 11th, 2012
9:09 am
Nice spin, Jay. It seems that you would equate “modern conservatism” with far right radicalism, but I would expect cries of “extremism” from the media. In fact, politics is more like NASCAR. You have to oversteer toward a particular point in order to wind up where you have to be. Obama did the same in the compromise in extending the tax cuts in exchange for something he wanted. In truth, for an R to be elected in Mass, he could only be a moderate, as I imagine we’ll find Romney to be. I consider myself conservative, but to me that means primarily fiscal conservatism with a socially moderate lean. We all know that extremes to both the left and right serve to motivate the base, but in reality, neither party can govern that way, or you get the gridlock we now experience. Whether D or R, presidents get the edges sanded down when actually governing. It’s far more about leadership and vision and one or two big ideas than about policy details. Remember too that 60% to 80% of voters consider themselve “in the middle” politically, myself included. What we’ll see from Romney is a focus on fostering a growing business climate with regulation, small tweaks in the tax system with little effect, little interest in the social issues, fiery rhetoric on foreign affairs but without a “rush to war” mentality because of both the financial and personal cost, and hopefully, the ability to bring both sides to the table to discuss the needed reform of the big three–Social Security, Medicare and Defense. Romney’s proven he can turn around bad situations before, therefore I believe that America will give him a chance.
If we ignore the speeches and slogans, and concentrate on what people have actually done, which is the best predictor of future performance, I think this choice is obvious. I’m not drinking any Kool-aid, but in my mind, a resume of solid success trumps a life of political “service.”
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
9:10 am
The problem is the way that we only look at the “conservative” side of the political spectrum as being bankrupt and absolutely not up to the task.
We should also look at the other “side” of modern liberalism, which is utterly out of ideas and reduced to peddling conservative ideas with a ‘nicer’ face, conservative ideas with a ‘human face’. The problem is not one or the other party, it’s the bankrupt two-party fraud itself, which acts as a front for an ever rightward shift of governance by the ruling class and a ruthless attempt to roll back the social gains of the 20th C.
DownInAlbany
October 11th, 2012
9:10 am
New jobless claims fall to 339,000. Lowest weekly number since 2008
Don’t let the fact that fewer are actually working now than when O took office. But, feel free to spin it in any way you like…you usually do!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:10 am
NORMAL,
I too am a pacifist…I’m not sure if the drone attacks made us safer or if any security improvement as a result was not offset by the significant “daily” growth of al queda in Libya and other arab spring countries…we are getting nothing in exchange for our investment in lives and cash..in fact, I suggest that most of those countries will ultimately be controlled by our enemies..taliban in afghanistan…etcetera…
Our shores are not safer as a result of drone attacks…they also had no effect on our interests in ME…for every al queda leader will smoke, several more members join..
BTW, they are using our weapons against us…similar to afghanistan
larry
October 11th, 2012
9:10 am
In the news, Republican House admits to cutting embassy security funding.
Republican House outs a secret CIA mission.
Then they have a hearing while the House is not in session
Gee, i wonder why.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
9:11 am
Obama corrupts by stiff-arming the rule of law.
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:11 am
Union
I started watching Morning Joe a few months’ back. I really enjoy the discussion and the variety of guests.
And I’m almost used to Mika’s subtle expressions. She doesn’t always talk back, those eyee rolls and that smirk are pretty effective.
Doggone/GA
Yeah, I’ve often wondered how much of this ‘protect my daughter’ is really ‘don’t embarrass me and my image as a parent.”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:12 am
TAXPAYER,
The question is did the State Department cite the GOP cut in funding as a reason to deny repeated, even ignored requests for help? Is there a direct relationship? Did we really tell them no cause we didn’t have the money??
mustang100
October 11th, 2012
9:12 am
So Mitt calls himself a conservative. So did Bush, and look what he handed to Wall Street before he left office. All Obama did was put the check in the mail.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 11th, 2012
9:13 am
More bad news for the Cons?
U.S. foreclosure filings dropped to a five-year low in September as fewer homes were on track to be seized by lenders. It was the second-consecutive monthly decline in filings, although there remains a sharp divergence along state lines, according to a report Thursday by foreclosure listing firm RealtyTrac Inc.
salon.com
larry
October 11th, 2012
9:13 am
In fact, politics is more like NASCAR
I guess you could say that. Funny, you saw last week what happens when someone tries to block someone from moving up.
A big mess with a lot of damage ensues. I think you just nailed what the Republicans in congress have been doing for the last 4 years . Thank you .
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
9:13 am
Romney stiff-arming
conservatism is fine by me.
Romney stiff-(other body
part)ing the rest of us not
so much.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:14 am
Stevie Ray,
Poor Wynn and Adelson. Their gambling revenues really took a hit during the great recession. They could really use your business.
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:14 am
indigo
“Don’t bother attempting any kind of rational discourse with these true believers as this is beyond their ability.”
Good advice. But sometimes, I think back to Bosch’s and USinUK’s interjections and “The stoopid, it burns’ takes hold.
I know that sounds harsh, but dang……
Goldie
October 11th, 2012
9:14 am
“Don’t let the fact that fewer are actually working now than when O took office. ”
Yeah, we Dems don’t count all those new retirees as part of the “unemployed” — what a shame for you Cons!
Mick
October 11th, 2012
9:14 am
yaker
So what about libya? A tragedy occurred, they are investigating, an ambassador and others died, what’s yours and republicans problem? You really, really, want to blame this all on obama, is that not the goal? Is congress complicit by cutting embassy security by 500 million? What’s your angle here? We get that you hate obama and his skin color but what is that you want? Are we involved in a land war in libya? How does that compare to over 4000 dead and 30,000 wounded or maimied in iraq? Keep grasping…
larry
October 11th, 2012
9:15 am
You lose a total of 459 million dollars in funding and see how much help you can give.
Mitt Romney's Strange Mormon Beliefs Exposed
October 11th, 2012
9:16 am
Paul,“The stoopid, it burns’ takes hold.
Nice way to word it!! You just made my day. Bible or Book of Mormon?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:16 am
DOWN
I think the question, valid or not, is how did the unemployment rate improve when 800,000 got jobs with only 114,000 “new jobs”….also, U6 umemployment rate still close to 15%..who knows what the real numbers are..
larry
October 11th, 2012
9:16 am
Meetings, meetings ……….
Everyone behave.
b-troll
October 11th, 2012
9:17 am
GG 9:03 – DATA FAIL. One state didn’t even report jobless claims. Bad data.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 11th, 2012
9:17 am
JoeFann: “We all know that extremes to both the left and right serve to motivate the base, but in reality, neither party can govern that way, or you get the gridlock we now experience”
Because of a lack of political education (not just on your part, but many others too) you may THINK that what we’ve seen represents “extremes” by the left as well as the right. But in reality the main crisis we have is that there is no radical, militant left. There simply is none. We only have as I said above two faces of modern liberalism, though on the right we have a takeover by an increasingly nihilistic and frankly proto-fascist type of neoliberalism.
Neoliberalism reigns unchallenged in our day, and it’s destroying the world as we speak, with Europe teetering once again at the precipice of fascism.
Goldie
October 11th, 2012
9:18 am
“So Mitt calls himself a conservative. ”
And I recall just a few months ago, Ole Mitt called himself “severely conservative”… while standing in front of an extremist group of Cons, of course — oh well! Who knows where he’ll stand on any issue on any given date???
NA
October 11th, 2012
9:18 am
Jay in political elections if you can not get behind someone, you vote for the lesser of two evils.
on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being great and 1 being the worst
Romney is an 8
Obama is a 1
Go for the guy who has a chance of fixing the deficit, a chance of growing the economy, a chance of better international relations, a chance that he is will be fair to all americans and you vote no for the guy who has screwed all this up already you vote no for the arrogant one who lies at any chance he gets, you vote no for the inept president who says he wants to tax millionaires and billionaires but does not realized that making a 100,000 a year does not make you a billionaire, you vote no for the guy who creates division in the people of this country.
Williebkind
October 11th, 2012
9:18 am
In the news, Republican House admits to cutting embassy security funding.
“Republican House outs a secret CIA mission.
Embarrassing. Incompetent.”
This is exactly what I am referring about. The cutting of embassy funds would not stop a 9/11 birthday security upgrade IFindeed the funds were cut. Well in the minds of the uninformed provided by messages directed by DNC briefings the facts are forgotten if it does not fit the agenda. It was the video!
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:19 am
Stevie,
If you cut funding for security, then you cut security. But you and the cons keep on blaming Obama. It’s what you do and you do it so well. By the way, which versions of your candidate, Mitt, do you plan to vote for and why, Mr. Independent.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:19 am
TAXPAYER,
You forgot to mention that in the case of Wynn, he has given raises to all employees twice in the past couple years to offset the financial hits those folks have taken due to economic conditions and the concern over getting laid off..
More legs to your argument that BO’s treatment of business is not affecting investment etcetera would be appreciated..
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:19 am
Normal
I’m really happy for your son. That’s surprising to me about the situation now in the States. Shouldn’t be that way. If there’s one area where things should be streamlined to help the kids it seems that’s a big one.
Williebkind
October 11th, 2012
9:20 am
“on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being great and 1 being the worst
Romney is an 8
Obama is a 1″
My sentiments exactly!
kayaker 71
October 11th, 2012
9:21 am
Mick, 9:14,
Put the race card away, my friend. Bozo tried to pull the wool over the eyes of the American electorate and to anyone with even one synapse, it is evident that he and his Sec of State got caught with their pants down. You can spin this any way you please but the more denial, the more stupid the denier. Bozo screwed up…… again.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:21 am
Georgia has dropped from number one to number six in foreclosures. Republicans should blame that on Obama too.
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:21 am
Verbal Kint
“Are we ever going to see a Jay Bookman blog entry espousing the great record of Obama and how 4 more years of the same thing is exactly what this country needs or even wants??”
Let’s see…. my investments have recovered way past where they were as a result of the market crash before Obama was sworn in.
Corporate profits at an all-time high.
Number of government employees at all levels at a lower level than when Obama took office.
Lowest rate of new-start spending of any president in decades.
Yeah, I’m good with that.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
9:23 am
DNC: Debbie (Pinnochio) Wasserman-Schultz’s GREATEST HITS… This is simply Amazing!
Wasserman Schultz: Wrong Statements About Libya Doesn’t Mean They Were False
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/10/wasserman_schultz_wrong_statements_about_libya_doesnt_mean_they_were_false.html
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:23 am
TAXPAYER,
I guess there is no direct link between the denial and even ignoring of requests for additional security…and they weren’t told we didn’t have the money…at least you provide no counter and I can’t find link..happy to concede if one surfaces..
As for who I am voting for…neither..can’t justify a vote for status quo in DC…its broke and neither will change that…they need the money to build billion dollar campaign funds in order to win the presidential auction…
People don’t like Romney, they just want BO gone…the turnout may be BO’s undoing…why are we discussing this? All else is really hubris that only a small percentage of us political junkies want to understand..
Ben
October 11th, 2012
9:24 am
I don’t believe conservatives are saying that we should cut taxes for the rich. Taxes for the rich are fine as they’ve been for a decade. Nor have conservatives clamored for no regulations. Find me the conservative Republican that believes in absolutely no regulations, and I’ll show you a strawman. As far as Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, that’s generational. Younger conservatives don’t care.
Those are great strawman arguments, but even if they weren’t, that doesn’t mean Romney isn’t still preferable to the other guy. That you rarely praise Obama, and spend most columns bashing Romney just shows how weak a candidate Obama is now. He can’t run on his record, he can only try to push false arguments about all the rights Romney has no interest in taking away.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:24 am
You forgot to mention that in the case of Wynn, he has given raises to all employees twice in the past couple years to offset the financial hits those folks have taken due to economic conditions and the concern over getting laid off..
Perhaps Wynn needs to take lessons in business management from that PITY Party Person, Siegel. After all, both of their philosophies can’t be right.
Ol' Timer
October 11th, 2012
9:25 am
In fact, Romney doesn’t have a clue. He’s hoping to ride the trend line and, as the OMB recently said, watch as 12 million jobs are created — and, they’d be created over the next three or four years if Big Bird was the POTUS.
Goldie
October 11th, 2012
9:26 am
Bill Clinton tells it like it is:
["Clinton compared Romney's performance in Denver to a sales job at the Boston private equity firm where the Republican presidential nominee made his personal fortune.
"It was like one of these Bain Capital deals, you know, where he's the closer," Clinton said. "So he shows up, doesn't really know much about the deal and says, 'Tell me what I'm supposed to say to close.' The problem with this deal is the deal was made by severe conservative Mitt," alluding to Romney's description of himself in February as having been a "severely conservative" governor in Massachusetts. A few days before the debate, Clinton added, advisors had urged Romney to recast himself as a moderate."] — L.A. Times
Shake shake shake that Etch-a-Sketch– and you Cons fall for it!
With a mocking tone that drew hoots of laughter, Clinton imitated Romney saying, “I don’t have that tax plan I had for the last two years. Are you going to believe me or your lyin’ eyes here?”
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:26 am
Strange Beliefs
“Okay, what are you telling me? Is your religious reference guide the Bible or Book of Mormon?”
This isn’t about me. It’s about an honest evaluation of a belief system. I’d conduct an examination of Jewish beliefs, Catholic beliefs, Buddhist beliefs, New Thought beliefs in the same way.
BTW – whenever you ask (or are asked) a question constructed with “choose this OR that” you should get suspicious. No reason one can’t select both or reject both.
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
9:27 am
The only thing Romney has
going for him is a Republican
House and the hope they
will work with him. Alienating them will put him
in the same position as
Obama.
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:27 am
Strange Beliefs
““The stoopid, it burns’ takes hold.
Nice way to word it!! You just made my day. Bible or Book of Mormon?”
As I said, I believe it was Bosch.
Beefcake
October 11th, 2012
9:28 am
at least some of us were smart enough to see through
‘bama’s hyped uP B.S. from the get
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:28 am
USMC…great stuff..I submit the best is when she stated despite clear oral vote to the contrary the whole God inclusion to the DEM platform..
Taxpayer,
Can you offer a single credible source that anything Obama has done directly affected the favorable movement in GA foreclosure rate?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/25/crossroads-gps/crossroads-ad-says-obama-has-failed-stem-foreclosu/
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
9:29 am
Paul
It’s Bosch’s fault.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:30 am
Stevie Ray,
I do not care about your speculation regarding the funding for security. I presented facts. Distort them as you will. As for Romney, he’s your man given that you really only have two choices and you most certainly are not going to vote for Obama. You are not as independent (politically speaking) as you would have some believe.
DebbieDoRight - Prez. O = 2.5M Jobs; Repug Congress = 0. You do the Math
October 11th, 2012
9:30 am
We have K71 here, Willieb, Stevie and some guy called USMC ……………. if they hate everything Jay says and everything that he writes, why are they here instead of on Kyle’s blog?
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………
Beefcake
October 11th, 2012
9:30 am
…and don’t object to calling a spade a spade
NA
October 11th, 2012
9:31 am
Taxpayer
the reason Georgia has dropped from 1 to 6 in foreclosures is that we have already forclosed on too many homes and they are running out of homes to foreclose on……………..
Also for Granny———- Georgia’s unemployment rates went up again——- reference the AJC this week.
USMC
October 11th, 2012
9:31 am
The Obama White House STIFF ARMS the Truth… “BenghaziGATE”…
Testimony: Obama’s State Dept Told Consulate To Stop Asking For More Security:
The former security chief for the US Consulate in Benghazi Libya testified today in the House of Representatives that the US State Department asked him to stop asking for increased security prior to the deadly terrorists attacks on Sept. 11, 2012
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/10/Former-Libyan-Security-Official-State-Department-Told-Us-To-Stop-Asking-For-More-Security
Mick
October 11th, 2012
9:32 am
yaker
Why should I put the race card away? You play it so deftly. What exactly did obama and the state dept. do that has you so miffed? You blamers crack me up as if events in the world are neatly controlled all the time. Who has the perfect record on that? Like I said, it was a tragedy but we are not in a shooting war piling up casualties, try to see the bigger picture, if you are capable…
USMC
October 11th, 2012
9:33 am
Jay Carney Dissembles When Pressed On Libya Cover Up, Security Failures…
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/10/Jay-Carney-Dissembles-When-Pressed-On-Libya
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:33 am
Stevie Ray,
Crossroads. Really. Your “independence” is showing again.
The Snark
October 11th, 2012
9:33 am
How would Romney govern if elected? I seem to remember people asking that very question when George W. Bush tacked to the center after winning the Republican nomination in 2000 …
indigo
October 11th, 2012
9:33 am
kayaker 71 – 9:21
Incredible as it may sound, sometimes race really IS a factor in elections.
Don't Forget
October 11th, 2012
9:33 am
Weekly jobless claims dropped to the lowest levels since Feb 2008, another sign that the job market is improving.
MightyRighty
October 11th, 2012
9:33 am
The Obama administration lies continue unabated with the release of today’s jobless numbers. When the facts won’t support this administration they just lie knowing their fawning media and a few brain dead friends will swear to their lies. The new claims report for last week came in much better than expected with a big drop in new claims. I as most americans was quite surprised and pleased by this sudden but positive turn around just three weeks before the election. As the truth emerges however, we find that al of the states were not reported. My God! This administration thinks we are as stupid as they are.
gm
October 11th, 2012
9:34 am
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
Of course you memory laps clowns dont want to give this great President for keeping you idiots safe, when Obama took over this country had code alerts at every area of transportation airports, trains.
Do you rememeber orange and red alerts? typical ungrateful bigots hateful Americans, Obama pull this country out the mouth of hell yet you nut bags backed the guy who helped send our jobs overseas.
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:34 am
Strange Beliefs
Let me put it this way and I hope that will conclude this discussion.
If I want to find out what Democrats believe, I don[’t go to Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh to find out.
If I want to find out what Republicans believe, I don’t listen to Chris Mathews or Ed Schultz to find out.
Now apply the same thing to religious groups.
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
9:35 am
Beefcake
October 11th, 2012
9:30 am
…and don’t object to
calling a spade a spade
………….
Well, you could call it a
shovel and still be correct.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:35 am
I’ll let you in on a little clue Bookman. Compared to Obama Romney is about as far right as you can get. I would imagine that Romney will go along with most legislation put forth by a Republican Congress. I’m sure you’ve come to the realization that Republicans will gain control of the Senate and easily keep the house. If Congress repeals “Don’t ask don’t tell” he’ll sign it. If Congress passes a defense of marriage act he’ll sign it. If Congress passes an abortion measure he’ll sign it. It’s that simple really. He will conform to what the American people want. Unlike dems who pushed through a healthcare bill that no one likes and wasted a trillion dollars.
Paul
October 11th, 2012
9:35 am
barking frog
Yeah, but he sure brought a lot of enjoyment to the blog, didn’t he?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 11th, 2012
9:35 am
TAXPAYER,
Can you name one company that has supported Obama’s attitude or uncertainty and invested in jobs here? Without government subsidy?
Mr Right
October 11th, 2012
9:36 am
Time after time after time Jay blasts Romney and hardly ever will even mention Obama,wonder why?
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:36 am
Not to worry, conned Georgians. Georgia still holds the number one slot for failed banks from the great recession. A lot of cons lost a lot of money investing in banks. That’s gonna sting for a long time.
Joseph
October 11th, 2012
9:37 am
The scary thing for you libs should be that the polls still aren’t accurate. As it stand today Romney would win by close to 10 points. No way will the dem turnout be close to 08′ but pollsters are still using that benchmark…
joe
October 11th, 2012
9:37 am
Bookman is like a broken record…round and round without anything of substance to be heard. This election is not about Romney…it’s about Obama obvious failure to be presidential. He is weak in every area, from understanding economics, to how to grow jobs, to spending out of control to making the US weak abroad.
It’s for those reasons he must be defeated. I don’t care if you were running bookman…at this point, it’s ABO (anyone but obama).
barking frog
October 11th, 2012
9:37 am
Paul
Great contributor.
TaxPayer
October 11th, 2012
9:37 am
Can you name one company that has supported Obama’s attitude or uncertainty and invested in jobs here? Without government subsidy?
According to you conned, that would be Bain Capital.
kayaker 71
October 11th, 2012
9:37 am
Why are all you liberals so critical of the Mormon faith whereas Islam can do no wrong? These fanatic Muslims kill our ambassador and his security detail, attack our embassies, burn our flag, force us to create a dept of Homeland Security, make it necessary to spend billions beefing up our security and we don’t hear a word about them. Hell, we aren’t even allowed to call them terrorists. Mormons who haven’t killed anyone that I know of, do not threaten our security in any way and wear funny underwear and go on missions. I am not, nor will ever be, a Mormon. But the irony of this dichotomy is amazing.