GOP’s hyping of Benghazi attack quite curious

EVENT ONE:

On Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists launched major, coordinated attacks on U.S. soil, killing more than 3,000 U.S. citizens. The attacks were successful despite CIA briefings delivered to President Bush in person more than a month earlier titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” In fact, as far back as May 2001, U.S. intelligence was warning that “a group presently in the United States” was plotting a terror attack. But tragically, too little was done to stop it.

In addition, for months after the attacks, top U.S. officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, claimed that the attacks had been planned and coordinated by Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, a claim that turned out to be utterly false but that Cheney and others used to help build political support for an ill-fated invasion of that country that cost an additional 4,000 American lives.

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EVENT TWO:

Eleven years later to the day — Sept. 11, 2012 — terrorists launched an attack on an isolated U.S. consulate in war-torn Libya, killing the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. In the immediate wake of the attack, U.S. officials downplayed concerns of terrorism, incorrectly attributing the deaths to a mob protest against an anti-Islamic video that got out of hand. As Director of National Intelligence James Clapper explained later, “we revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists.”

It’s pretty clear that U.S. officials could have and should have acknowledged earlier that the attacks were carried out by terrorists instead of by a mob. However it’s difficult to understand the immense significance attributed to that delay by some. There are also allegations that the U.S. State Department may have overlooked intelligence warnings of a possible attack and failed to upgrade security for Ambassador Chris Stevens, a man who was intimately familiar with Libya and knew the dangers inherent in leaving our fortified embassy in Tripoli.

I make this comparison not because I wish to relitigate the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The nation’s nonpartisan, unified response at the time was proper and appropriate, and while in hindsight it appears that more could have been done to prevent those attacks, in hindsight many things are apparent that are more difficult to appreciate in real time.

Instead, I’m interested in exploring why the aftermaths of the two events have played out so differently. In the wake of Event One, there was no effort to politicize the tragedy and no concerted effort to blame the Bush administration for failing to prevent an attack on our own territory, against civilians. Yet in the wake of Event Two, politicians were in such an unseemly rush to take partisan advantage of the tragedy that on the night of the attack itself, Mitt Romney actually accused President Obama of sympathizing with those who carried out the murder of our people.

Here’s the statement in full, for those who may have forgotten:

“I’m outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It’s disgraceful that the Obama Administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

By any rational comparison, the breach of security nine years ago was far more destructive, and was carried out on American soil where the expectation of safety was much greater. The intelligence failures involved were also far more profound. The Obama administration’s failure to immediately grasp and communicate what had happened in Benghazi, a site so dangerous that the FBI didn’t dare visit there until three weeks later, was certainly less important than Cheney’s utterly false claim that 9/11 was an Iraqi conspiracy.

So on what basis do Republicans believe that the attack on our Benghazi consulate in Libya, or the confused and confusing series of incorrect explanations that followed, constitute some major political scandal when the infinitely more serious attacks on New York City and Washington did not? And if a scandal does exist, why don’t Republicans share in the blame for having insisted on hundreds of millions of dollars in cuts to embassy-security programs in the last two fiscal years?

Please. Explain all this to me, because I don’t get it.

– Jay Bookman

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Jack in cumming

October 10th, 2012
4:25 pm

Its only racism, feminism, religious intolerant if your a conservative. Meanwhile we have a federy funded art exhibit in NYC of a cross in urine, bill maher using the c word on plain and a prezzie supported Arab spring where Muslim
Brotherhood and there tolerant ways towards women in north africa

Thomas

October 10th, 2012
4:26 pm

Darden Restaurants Tests Hiring Of More Part-Time Employees To Avoid Obamacare Costs

Jay can you spin this with a picture of a fat guy and bleach blonde with a boob job?

iBS Aplenty

October 10th, 2012
4:28 pm

@Miss Underwood

I think USMC is really some poor lost soul who sits alone at the “Rest Home” his family dumped him at 10 years ago. Thankfully, on their way out the door, they left him a computer, some lube, and some dollar bills so that he can buy a few friends, (at the rest home, dollar bills are good for Denture Cream and a couple of prunes).
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While the old girls at the rest home are a bit wrinkly, we don’t call ‘em ‘prunes’ and they cost considerable more than some dollar bills. Just thought you’d like to know.

Jay

October 10th, 2012
4:29 pm

Jack in Cumming, the major U.S. commitment to bring democracy to the Islamic Middle East began in the Bush administration. In fact, I remember being accused by conservatives of harboring anti-Muslim bias when I suggested that it was a bit much to expect swift conversion from feudalism to democracy. But that was nonetheless the stated goal of the Bush administration:

As President Bush put it in 2003:

“Iraq’s progress toward self-determination and democracy brings hope to other oppressed people in the region and throughout the world. It is the rise of democracy that tyrants fear and terrorists seek to undermine. The people who yearn for liberty and opportunity in countries like Iran and throughout the Middle East are watching and they are praying for our success in Iraq.”

Even with that language, I’m not blaming Bush for the Arab Spring. What’s happening there is the product of thousands of years of history, and the idea that the United States can either create that movement or halt it is foolish. Believe it or not, they do things for their own reasons, in their own time.

Jack in cumming

October 10th, 2012
4:29 pm

Lol Thomas! Also the darden CEO is a library’s contributor so I guess we can throw the theory of coercing votes out the window

Miss Understood

October 10th, 2012
4:30 pm

He lacks professionalism in that he is coming off as a guy who would rather cover up error in supporting the Arab spring over taking a hard line against anyone attacking our soil.

Good Morning Class! Can anyone tell me when was the last attack on American soil? I’m sure Jackie can — he gets all his information from Breibart and Fox News — and they’re NEVER wrong……….. :roll:

josef

October 10th, 2012
4:30 pm

“GOP’s hyping of Benghazi attack quite curious”

Just the opinion of an ancestrally uppity plantation liberal, but I think the GOP is perhaps not so unwittingly joining forces with the fundamentalist terrorists in seeking to undermine the present Libyan regime. They don’t want to give the Obama policy there any credit and are perfectly willing to do all within their power to discredit the best chance we’ve had yet to make a friend in the upheavals of the Arab Spring. The terrorists don’t want it to come to fruition either. Politics do, indeed, make strange bedfellows.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 10th, 2012
4:30 pm

What were the votes on those embassy cuts? I have heard they were bi-partisan but to honest I haven’t seen the roll call of the votes.

Jack in cumming

October 10th, 2012
4:31 pm

So jay the Arab spring was or was not supported through words and weapons by Barry?

USMC

October 10th, 2012
4:31 pm

“USMC — “On foreign policy, OBAMA lacks discipline, professionalism…”
Huh?
Could you elaborate on how a President would *exhibit* discipline and professionalism in his foreign policy, please?”–JOE

“On foreign policy, Romney lacks discipline, professionalism”–JAY BOOKMAN
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/09/13/on-foreign-policy-romney-lacks-discipline-professionalism/

You stepped right into it, Joe. Here, here’s something to wipe it off with. :lol:

Lee

October 10th, 2012
4:32 pm

Miss Understood. November 2009….your point?

josef

October 10th, 2012
4:32 pm

MISS UNDERSTOOD

Oh, Sweet, if you only KNEW who USMC is, where he lives, and who he runs with! :-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 10th, 2012
4:33 pm

What were the votes on those embassy cuts? I have heard they were bi-partisan but to honest I haven’t seen the roll call of the votes.

Oh please…. you don’t know how to look up these things yourself. Perhaps you need a charter school for google?

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 10th, 2012
4:34 pm

Actually I am hearing that that 149 House Democrats voted for the cuts and 147 House Republicans also voted for the cuts. That looks pretty bi-partisan to me.

Allow me to do further research or feel free to chime in.

Jack in cumming

October 10th, 2012
4:34 pm

Actually Lee the lay attack was sept 11 this year as our embassy is American soil. How bout this for curious…. How did the attackers know so quickly about the safe house the ambassador was taken too?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 10th, 2012
4:35 pm

USMC — “You stepped right into it, Joe. Here, here’s something to wipe it off with.”

I stepped into nothing, sir. I merely asked you to elaborate on your claim. If the best you can do is post one of Jay’s blog posts in response, I’ll gladly call this a surrender on your part.

Shall I do that, or would you prefer to give it another go?

Jack in cumming

October 10th, 2012
4:36 pm

So do libs actually believe we are better now the four years ago in terms of foreign relations?

Jhunt163

October 10th, 2012
4:36 pm

Granny @ 4:02 The state department testified today that money had nothing to do with reducing the security staffing. It was all done by a security assessment.

Jack in cumming

October 10th, 2012
4:37 pm

Settle down Steve USA

josef

October 10th, 2012
4:37 pm

getalife

Have you heard anything about Tiger Woods and McElroy pulling out of the Turkish tourney?

RF

October 10th, 2012
4:37 pm

“Just the opinion of an ancestrally uppity plantation liberal”

ROFL!

And you’re right- it would seem prudent at this point to keep the region in seeming chaos to undermine the president’s foreign policy. That way a guy with NO experience except to tick off the French and British can easily win the election….right? I have to squeeze my eyes shut and hold my breath until I get dizzy to get anywhere close to understanding conservative thought, but I do try.

Aquagirl

October 10th, 2012
4:38 pm

Aquagirl….Tell us all how Clinton has told the Truth regarding this event?

Lee, I have no idea if she’s telling us the truth or not. And you know what? I don’t care. Because telling everybody everything you know is a bad idea when you’re at war.

What I care about is piles of dead terrorists. Obama and Clinton have delivered plenty of those, way more than GW Bush—who thought he got the job done by launching wars by mistake and then strutting around on aircraft carriers. So what the current administration tells the press is entirely irrelevant to me. Frankly I hope they lie through their teeth. The last thing you want creepy people to know is that you’re onto them. They can find out via drone.

If you and USMC want to sit around and read fake news reports focused on the ambassador’s bunghole knock yourselves out. With the advent of the internet you’re no longer confined to a smelly plywood cubicle in the sleazy part of town and you’re (unfortunately) free to share with the entire world.

There’s your truth Lee, now I’ll leave you to conduct your personal war on terror, which consists of whining from your armchair. Let me know how that works out.

Ray Tardinski

October 10th, 2012
4:38 pm

+Good Morning Class! Can anyone tell me when was the last attack on American soil? I’m sure Jackie can — he gets all his information from Breibart and Fox News — and they’re NEVER wrong……….. ”

11/5/2009 – Thirteen dead at the hands of a muslim psychiatrist. The Odumber administration calls it workplace violence while the rest of the world calls it terrorism.

Jhunt163

October 10th, 2012
4:39 pm

Lt. Col. Wood also testified that once the two security teams were pulled, that their Danger pay increased due to the increased security threat.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 10th, 2012
4:40 pm

Keep- You are really an A-hole 24/7. I feel sorry for your neighbors. Feel free to Google A-hole there Skippy!

Steve, thanks for the tip. I did google that as you asked. Your photo came up. :lol:

Jay

October 10th, 2012
4:40 pm

Well, let’s see Thomas.

For beginners, I see that Darden Restaurants stock price has more than doubled since Obama took office, so it’s not doing too bad. Profits were up 9 percent in the last quarter.

I also see, in the story that you cite:

“Given the challenging job market, Darden has been able to offer lower pay rates to new hires, as well as cut bonuses for general managers as sales have stagnated. Servers at Red Lobster now handle four tables at a time, instead of three.

And last year, the company also put workers on a “tip sharing” program, meaning waiters and waitresses share their tips with other employees such as busboys and bartenders. That allows Darden to pay more workers a far lower “tip credit wage” of $2.13, rather than the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.”

So Darden’s willingness to squeeze every penny from its minimum wage workers is what you might call a pre-existing condition, with little or nothing to do with ObamaCare.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 10th, 2012
4:41 pm

Jack — “So do libs actually believe we are better now the four years ago in terms of foreign relations?”

I can’t speak for *all* libs, but I certainly think so.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 10th, 2012
4:42 pm

Keep-

Was it the one with me above or below your wife?

I talked about the article and you as usual started in with the personal attacks. I am tired of your game, from now on you will be treated on how you act.

Miss Understood

October 10th, 2012
4:42 pm

I hate to keep picking on you Jack, but DAMN………………….

Jack – I guess the 70k ad on Pakistani tv was to make sure the Muslim…..

Jack, no matter what Fox News told you, (or Boortz, or Limpbitscuit), Pakistan is NOT America. Get that? NOt. Not. NOT! The Government of Pakistan runs the television stations. No matter the amount of money you think someone paid to get something on television, the government does NOT have to put it on.

Oh why do I bother? Here maybe you can understand this Jack…………

You is kind. You is important. You is hoodwinked, probably drugged up and drunk and in need of some serious help. You is in need of some healing. The end.

From Keep: The ODS is strong in these conned.

Its not the ODS so much as it is the Liquor — JUST SAY NO! Cons. Just say no!

Republicans 2012 Political Slogan -BACKWARDS!!!!

moonbat betty (2 panties one wad)

October 10th, 2012
4:43 pm

“What I care about is piles of dead terrorists. Obama and Clinton have delivered plenty of those, way more than GW Bush”

Hahaha! Link please…

RF

October 10th, 2012
4:43 pm

“They can find out via drone.”

And if that doesn’t work, you send in the special forces! I’m always intrigued by the conservative knee-jerk reaction to want a ground war. They’re messy, expensive, and haven’t worked very well since WWII. You’d think we would have learned that by now, but noooooo, we have to go in and spend billions to end up little better off after ten years. The only good that comes out of it is the lucrative defense contractors make a buttload of money.

straitroad

October 10th, 2012
4:43 pm

Jay, your head is in the sand.

Jay

October 10th, 2012
4:44 pm

“Thanks for the civics lesson. I didn’t realize the House could pass budgfet/spending bills all on it’s own without the Dem Senate voting and the Dem President signing it. I think you meant to post the Dem Senate and President approved spending bills with millions of dollars in cuts for embassy protection.

I see your civics lesson is incomplete, Shrugged. The House initially passed and demanded much DEEPER cuts in embassy security, and the cuts that did make it into law were negotiated with the Senate and White House, which sought no cuts at all and in fact increases.

You see, spending cuts can have consequences. Sometimes serious consequences.

josef

October 10th, 2012
4:44 pm

RT

I thought I had something of a handle on conservative thought, but what’s out there parading as conservative and has taken over the GOP (which I’d never vote for for fear of my Granny’s grey ghost coming to smite me!), is just plumb bat sh*t crazy…they’ll sink the ship of state to get the captain…

weetamoe

October 10th, 2012
4:45 pm

Some facts about 9/11: Colleen Rowley memo, Jamie Gorelick, Sandy Berger, Charlie Wilson, Blind Sheik, attack on Cole in Yemen–Know how to connect dots?
Benghazi: Obama slept
Meanwhile try to find script of today’s speech by reporter Lara Logan who survived a brutal attack while reporting from * Arab spring *uprising in Cairo.

Miss Understood

October 10th, 2012
4:45 pm

11/5/2009 – Thirteen dead at the hands of a muslim psychiatrist. The Odumber administration calls it workplace violence while the rest of the world calls it terrorism.

Ray – You is kind. You is important. You is crazy.

The End.

moonbat betty (2 panties one wad)

October 10th, 2012
4:47 pm

Miss Understood: Hiya Debbie Do Right!!!

The angel Moroni

October 10th, 2012
4:47 pm

Anybody who kills an ambassador is a terrorist. Why does the GOP have this fixation on whether the killers were carrying their terrorists membership cards or not? Because, it creates FUD – Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt – and that’s how they govern and that’s how they win elections. USMC is part of the process.

Erwin's cat

October 10th, 2012
4:48 pm

Aquagirl – What I care about is piles of dead terrorists. Obama and Clinton have delivered plenty of those, way more than GW Bush

same could be said for dead US soldiers in Afghanistan too

Jay

October 10th, 2012
4:48 pm

Steve-USA, you really shouldn’t have done that.

oh well.

moonbat betty

October 10th, 2012
4:49 pm

Keep jumping on grenades for Obama, libs.

Jhunt163

October 10th, 2012
4:49 pm

Jay @ 4:44 “You see, spending cuts can have consequences. Sometimes serious consequences”

Again today under testimony the state department was specifically asked about spending cuts and they stated funding did not play into the decision. The decision was based off of the security assessment at the time.

Jhunt163

October 10th, 2012
4:50 pm

But spin it any way you can

RF

October 10th, 2012
4:50 pm

josef: and it amazes me how quickly they went crazy. I was concerned about them a bit in the 90’s, but electing GWB seemed to calm them a bit. Since ‘08, the patients at the asylum are getting weirder and weirder…

The ship’s listing and the band keeps playing since there are only enough lifeboats for 1% of the passengers…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 10th, 2012
4:51 pm

…the rape and murder of our ambassador is beyond me.

Wow!

Exposing your own rape fetishism to make a political point.

The breitbart awards committee should create a new category for blogger willing to take one for the team.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 10th, 2012
4:52 pm

Anybody who kills an ambassador is a terrorist

I disagree. A murderer yes. But not every murderer is a terrorist. But part of the GOP strategy is to make everything “terrorist” outside of the country…. mass murders here in the US are “loners” and “deranged”

josef

October 10th, 2012
4:52 pm

“The angel Moroni”

With that as a monniker, forgive me if I don’t put much credence in or respect for anything you might post. Tacky, trashy, ill-bred and ill-mannered.

The angel Moroni

October 10th, 2012
4:52 pm

Still haven’t heard the answer – was Romney responsible for a woman’s death and then lie about it?

Lee

October 10th, 2012
4:52 pm

Aquagirl….you mean kind of like a “bump in the road”? Pathetic

Ahem

October 10th, 2012
4:53 pm

I think the best way to answer Jay’s question is possibly the shortest: Coverup.

Jay

October 10th, 2012
4:53 pm

“Again today under testimony the state department was specifically asked about spending cuts and they stated funding did not play into the decision. The decision was based off of the security assessment at the time.”

Good. I’m relieved to hear that.

RF

October 10th, 2012
4:53 pm

“it creates FUD – Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt – and that’s how they govern and that’s how they win elections.”

Thanks for a clear, concise summary of the Romney Campaign.

The angel Moroni

October 10th, 2012
4:53 pm

Josef – you only have to hit the enter button once. The angel Moroni has spoken.

Miss Understood

October 10th, 2012
4:54 pm

josef: Oh, Sweet, if you only KNEW who USMC is, where he lives, and who he runs with!

I’m sure that Old Gray Mare, (USMC), ain’t what she used to be, but if I knew who he “ran with”; I’d probably run the other way. I prefer a “man/woman” with something more between their ears than sh###t for brains.

Sorry.

BTW your assessment of 4:30 was very enlightening — and thought provoking. Thanks.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 10th, 2012
4:54 pm

Ahem: I think the best way to answer Jay’s question is possibly the shortest: Coverup.

Did you forget the link to WND again?

The angel Moroni

October 10th, 2012
4:55 pm

RF – it’s not just romney, it’s the entire GOP. Making people afraid is their bread and butter. I think it’s time for both sides to just let it go and play that way.

Gurn Blansdon

October 10th, 2012
4:55 pm

Anybody who kills an ambassador is a terrorist. Or has watched a You Tube video.

josef

October 10th, 2012
4:56 pm

RF

“The ship’s listing and the band keeps playing since there are only enough lifeboats for 1% of the passengers…”

And you can bet the women and children won’t be first…

Seriously, though, the speed with which they went bonkers scares me…

Ray Tardinski

October 10th, 2012
4:56 pm

Jay- “For beginners, I see that Darden Restaurants stock price has more than doubled since Obama took office, so it’s not doing too bad. Profits were up 9 percent in the last quarter.”

What a simpleton you are. Clearly you have never run a business. Somehow in your fairy-tale land you seek to imply the stock price doubled because of Obama then you cite how the owner curbed costs just to pinch a penny. Damn the business owner for keeping the company profitable and increasing the value to investors (his job btw). You of course missed the point where he states he will lay off workers if his costs increase due to Obama. Thanks for pointed out how successful he has been with the stock quote. Who do you think the American people will listen to, a successful biz leader, and community organizer or a liberal opinion writer without a clue?

Miss Understood

October 10th, 2012
4:56 pm

mass murders here in the US are “loners” and “deranged”

Unless they’re Muslim — then they’re not only terrorists, but terrorists blatantly overlooked by the Obama Adminstration.

FAst and Furious Lives!!!

Scooter

October 10th, 2012
4:57 pm

The Benghazi attack happened on 9/11 and the White House told us it was a response to an obscure video. That should’ve insulted everyone’s intelligence.

josef

October 10th, 2012
4:57 pm

Moron-ee…

Say what you will, but le Petit Prince of the Liberal Plantation has low friends in high places… :-)

Kimmer

October 10th, 2012
4:57 pm

OK Jay since you asked:

1) You are looking at the events of 9/11 from a post-9/11 perspective. As someone has already pointed out the security in place at the time made it virtually impossible to stop the method of attack that was used.

2) The intelligence briefing that terrorists plan to strike somewhere in the US is just a wee less specific than terrorists plan to strike our ambassador in Libya.

3) Forget about #1 and 2 above. The biggest difference is that the administration’s handling of the attack on Benghazi smells like either a cover-up or incompetence. When terrorists attacked on 9/11 GWB called it what it was and condemned the terrorists. When terrorists attacked Benghazi Obama somehow came up with this cockamamie story about a video. The president then proceeded to talk about how reprehensible THE VIDEO was and apologize for it?!?! It also just so happens that a terrorist attack hurts the narrative that he’s been blowing about how he has things under control in the middle east. Now it turns out the video had nothing to do with it and his own state department never implied that it did. So where did Obama come up with this story and why?

Finally, Bush’s handling of 9/11 and the war in Iraq was very much a political topic in 2004 when he ran for re-election.

Aquagirl

October 10th, 2012
4:58 pm

Hahaha! Link please…

Here’s some MAJOR ones. Most had a few buddies who were presumably not along for a beer run.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/the-terrorist-notches-on-obamas-belt/

Hell to the yes, Mr. President and Madam Secretary.

Ahem

October 10th, 2012
4:58 pm

The Darden restaurant group (Long Horn Steakhouse; Olive Garden; Red Lobster; etc.) along with Progressive Insurance, both have owners / officers that are big time Obama donors and supporters.
I don’t support boycotts, unlike many liberals, but thought some might want to know this.

Fred ™

October 10th, 2012
4:58 pm

Ben Shockley

October 10th, 2012
4:13 pm

Fred, you’re a funny guy. I mean, I know you don’t mean to be, but hysterical nonetheless.

Mark Basseley Youssef is gutter scum for tweaking radical Islam, but I’m supposed to just live with all the vile, filthy attacks on Christians that happen right here on this blog and all over America.

Funny stuff.
++++++++++++++++++

Wow, you ARE simple aren’t you. You mean he was on probation for making an antio islamic video? Really? That’s what the druggie Rush told you? Naw, this guy was Rush’s best buddy, he was arrested convited and spent time for making Meth. He’s your other God, Ayn Rands kinda guy since she was a big meth head. He also failed to pay his taxes…… oh that’s cool that makes him like Romney…… Oh and he files bankruptcy then doesn’t pay what he’s owed, just like Donald Trump. I mean this guy is a PERFCT REPUBLICAN CRIMINAL. HE’S A DRUGGIE WHO STEALS, DEFRAUDS BANKS, AND DOESN’T PAY HIS TAXES.

NOT PAYING TAXES AND FAILING TO DISCHARGE BANKRUPCYAssociated Press: In 1996, a lien for $194,000 was filed against Nakoula’s gas station for unpaid taxes, penalties, and interest dating from 1989 to 1992. A $106,000 lien was filed against him in 1997.He filed for bankruptcy protection in 2000, owing several banks a total of $166,500, but later failing to make payments under the bankruptcy plan. A $191,000 tax lien was filed against him in 2006.

DRUG CHARGESThe Daily Beast: Nakoula was arrested by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department in 1997 after being pulled over and found to be in possession of ephedrine, hydroiodic acid, and $45,000 in cash; he was charged with intent to manufacture methamphetamine He pleaded guilty and was sentenced in 1997 to one year in Los Angeles County Jail and three years probation. According to the Los Angeles County District Attorney, he violated probation in 2002 and was re-sentenced to another year in county jail.

BANK FRAUD AND IDENTITY THEFTWIKI: In 2010, Nakoula pleaded no contest to federal charges of bank fraud in California. Nakoula had opened bank accounts using fake names and stolen Social Security numbers, including one belonging to a 6-year-old child, and deposited checks from those accounts to withdraw at ATMs. Nakoula’s June 2010 sentencing transcript shows that after being arrested, he testified against an alleged ring leader of the fraud scheme, in exchange for a lighter sentence. He was sentenced to 21 months in federal prison, followed by five years probation (supervised release), and ordered to pay $794,701 in restitution. He was sent to prison, then to a halfway house, and was released from custody in June 2011. A few weeks later, he began working on Innocence of Muslims. Conditions of Nakoula’s probation include not using aliases and not using the Internet without prior approval from his probation officer

Yeah, I’m funny but YOU Shockley are pathetic for calling this guy anything other than the crook he is. But then again you ARE a Republican so covering up for crooks is your way of life.

Jay

October 10th, 2012
4:59 pm

“Somehow in your fairy-tale land you seek to imply the stock price doubled because of Obama then you cite how the owner curbed costs just to pinch a penny.

I see. So presidents — at least Democratic presidents — cannot share the credit when stock prices and profits soar, but deserve the blame when they fall.

The opposite is of course true under Republican presidents.

Thanks for clearing that up, Ray.

josef

October 10th, 2012
4:59 pm

Miss Understood

Thanks for the compliment…

I do get a kick out of the responses the USMC though, the boy is a master chain puller…he don’t mess with me, though…he knows better… :-)

Liberal Pariah

October 10th, 2012
5:00 pm

Jay, why did you call out Jeff when he was the one called an A-hole first? Where’s the rebuke of the Liberal with no class.

JamVet

October 10th, 2012
5:01 pm

…they’ll sink the ship of state to get the captain…

jonix, what do you expect?

They’ve trickle down groveled for decades on end with no real wage increases to kiss 1% ass…

As Mr. Rundgren wrote in the Freak Parade

In a world full of freaks
You can creep, you can crawl
But the world’s biggest freak
Is the one with no balls.

Welcome to the ballless GOP…

Michael

October 10th, 2012
5:01 pm

This is not a very good example of a cover up. It’s now less than 30 days after the event, and all parties close to the situation seem to agree on the sequence of events.
By comparison when Pat Tillman was killed in Afghanistan in 2004, his death was attributed to hostile fire. The explanation of friendly fire was not disclosed until 2007. Now, that is a serious cover up.
Also, there were a number of members of the same unit that survived, so many eye witnesses were available. That contrasts with Bengazi, where all the Americans were killed.
Also, the anti muslim film had encited demonstrations in several middle eastern countries. Most of them were properly attributed to reactions to the film. By the way the film maker was not arrested for making the film. He apparently had violated parole on other felony charges.
Obama did not apologize for the film, he has said that it was not sponsored by America, and we did not support it, even though it is permitted under free speech.
The republicans in congress are not interested in a hearing. They want to extend this situation to undermine the work Obama has done reducing al quaeda in Pakistan/Afghanistan. Also, they don’t want people to remember that Obama authorized the mission that got Osama.

Jay

October 10th, 2012
5:01 pm

“2) The intelligence briefing that terrorists plan to strike somewhere in the US is just a wee less specific than terrorists plan to strike our ambassador in Libya.

Honest question: I haven’t seen where the intel was that specific. Do you have a source?

getalife

October 10th, 2012
5:01 pm

The cons showed they wanted daffy and the other dictators to win the Arab Spring.

Liberal Pariah

October 10th, 2012
5:02 pm

I meant Steve :-)

Thomas

October 10th, 2012
5:03 pm

So Jaydi then you must have picketed Jim Kennedy’s office for days over this one:
Cox Enterprises has filed paperwork with the Georgia Department of Labor indicating that it will lay off 150 people in Kennesaw, the location of the Atlanta-Journal Constitution’s north Cobb distribution center. Really, one of the largest private companies has the audacity to lay off low wage folks just to give the billionaire owners more coin? And you were so mad you…..

So the stock market increase is Obama’s doing while severe underemployment is Bush’s fault? hey why not- it’s your blog.

My next lesson form Big Bookie is that it better to be unemployed than underemployed.

The angel Moroni

October 10th, 2012
5:03 pm

RayTard, if Darden can cut headcount and expense without cutting revenues even more, then they will. I doubt it will be any frontline people, you know, part of the 47% who make too little to pay taxes, as it’s hard to make a sandwich without someone to slap the bread together. So, it may be back office people. If they’re able to cut there, then they must have had a bloated staff to start with.

Miss Understood

October 10th, 2012
5:03 pm

Aw man moonbat!! How’d ya know? I’ve GOT to get new material!!!
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The breitbart awards committee should create a new category for blogger willing to take one for the team.

Over & Over & Over & Oooooo big dadddy Over & Over again……………. He has the best of both worlds. Blogging all day for an insipid website AND catering to his rape fantasy! (supposedly or allegedly catering to…..got to put that in so I won’t get sued…..)

getalife

October 10th, 2012
5:03 pm

The first intell was wrong.

That is the story.

RF

October 10th, 2012
5:04 pm

“The biggest difference is that the administration’s handling of the attack on Benghazi smells like either a cover-up or incompetence”

Versus the smell of bullsh#t that was floating all over the WH after those pesky WMD’s turned out to be fictional “intel”.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 10th, 2012
5:04 pm

I said it first after another personal attack. I still shouldn’t have disrespected Jay because this is his domain..

I apologize to Jay and to my fellow posters.

Jay

October 10th, 2012
5:04 pm

Pariah, I don’t know who “Jeff” is, but as far as I can tell Steve was the first and only to call someone an A-hole. If I’m wrong, please let me know.

getalife

October 10th, 2012
5:05 pm

Who got the intell wrong?

Ask the intell agencies to see w’s reform failed.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 10th, 2012
5:05 pm

Ray Tard — “Clearly you have never run a business. Somehow in your fairy-tale land you seek to imply the stock price doubled because of Obama then you cite how the owner curbed costs just to pinch a penny. Damn the business owner for keeping the company profitable and increasing the value to investors (his job btw).”

Businesses have been trying that hour-cutting trick pretty much since Federal regulations explicitly laid out the difference in how part-time and full-time employees could be treated. In fact, Microsoft got slammed with a lawsuit some years ago because they sought to keep “temporary” employees (to whom they weren’t required to provide benefits) on for *years,* effectively skirting Federal law on benefits and procedures required to be extended to permanent hires.

Quite frankly, the fact that Obama’s the President has nothing to do with Darden looking to pull a fast one on its employees, no matter how much that might fit your narrative. It’s just another instance in a long line of employers trying to find a way to adhere to the letter of the law without actually abiding by the spirit of it.

Pro tip: If your business seeks to screw or otherwise take advantage of employees in its quest to be prosperous, then don’t expect those employees to either like it or vote for candidates that you think will cut you some slack for having done so.

IOW: give employees a fair shake or don’t expect them to give you one. You get what you give.

q.v. That Siegel f**khead from yesterday’s blog post.

USMC

October 10th, 2012
5:06 pm

“I do get a kick out of the responses the USMC though, the boy is a master chain puller…he don’t mess with me, though…he knows better…”–josef

You better believes I DON’T mess with jonix! ;-)

They BOTH suck

October 10th, 2012
5:06 pm

“the boy is a master chain puller”

Is that what they call them now?

Fred ™

October 10th, 2012
5:06 pm

Did Stevie get a time out?

Bud Wiser

October 10th, 2012
5:06 pm

It is impossible to count the number of lies from the Obama admin on the situation in Libya.

The State Department denied Tuesday it ever concluded that the deadly consulate attack Sept. 11 in Libya was an unplanned outburst prompted by an anti-Islam movie, despite public statements early on by some in the Obama administration suggesting that was the case.

Really?

And White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, as late as a week after the attack, said that based on initial information, “we saw no evidence to back up claims by others that this was a preplanned or premeditated attack.”

Carney then went on to suggest again the violence was related to the film: “Based on the information that we have now, it was — there was a reaction to the video — there was protests in Cairo, then followed by protests elsewhere, including Benghazi, and that was what led to the original unrest.”

There is not enough space here to catalog the lies from Obama and his slimeballs. There also has yet to come from these incompetent slobs any reaction or statement about what reprisals, or hunt for the killers of the ambassador and three other Americans.

They are just “a bump in the road” to the Obamanation in DC.

The bottom line as far as working for the uppity one should be “you’re on your own when you leave here”. You sure as hell won’t get protection from your own govt.

Their reaction? “Romney is a liar, nanny nanny boo boo….”

Little wonder that the polls are starting to reflect the change.

And the media stooges still carry their water, although now it has to smell a little rank, eh JB?

Miss Understood

October 10th, 2012
5:06 pm

Honest question: I haven’t seen where the intel was that specific. Do you have a source?

Yes he does. His source is what’s found on the bottom of most people’s shoes when they step in cow pastures (i think its called bullsh####5%t ) — Briebart.com or that other one; Boortzie in the morning; or some such silliness.

Jack in cumming

October 10th, 2012
5:06 pm

The angel – I think u mean Ted Kennedy not romney

Billybob

October 10th, 2012
5:07 pm

Ahem

October 10th, 2012
5:07 pm

Jay wrote: “You see, spending cuts can have consequences. Sometimes serious consequences”, that stated with the obvious implication.

And then after the following was posted:“Again today under testimony the state department was specifically asked about spending cuts and they stated funding did not play into the decision. The decision was based off of the security assessment at the time.”

Jay wrote: “Good. I’m relieved to hear that.”, but stated without any retraction of the previous false implication.

Miss Understood

October 10th, 2012
5:07 pm

Is that what they call them now?

In polite company, yes.

Jay

October 10th, 2012
5:07 pm

OK, Steve, your banishment was short-lived.

Seriously, folks, I can’t and don’t see everything. If I overlook a serious personal attack, email me at jbookman@ajc.com, and I’ll handle it in confidence.

Liberal Pariah

October 10th, 2012
5:07 pm

I stand corrected. Sorry about that.

TM

October 10th, 2012
5:07 pm

I forgot did the Bush administration ever try to get the public to believe 9-11 attack was because of a movie promo??? Maybe if this administration had been up front with the facts the focus of the hearings would be on what went wrong (intelligence failure ??)not who to blame. Now we have the State Department saying don’t blame us we never said it was the movie. I seem to recall the justice department making a big deal about questioning the producer of the movie. Maybe they should have gone to Libya before CNN and looked at the diary first

Joe Hussein Mama

October 10th, 2012
5:08 pm

Ahem — “The Darden restaurant group (Long Horn Steakhouse; Olive Garden; Red Lobster; etc.) along with Progressive Insurance, both have owners / officers that are big time Obama donors and supporters.”

I was aware of that, but I don’t patronize Darden Restaurants because their food sucks IMO. That said, my father loves Red Lobster and goes there a couple of times a week for lunch. The last time I was in his neck of the woods and saw him for lunch, that’s where we went — and the staff all knew him by name.

They BOTH suck

October 10th, 2012
5:08 pm

Steve

Welcome back

:-)

Billybob

October 10th, 2012
5:08 pm

jay he lied when he went to the UN weeks later and blamed everything on a video and then defended muhammed’s honor from attacks like that from the film that had nothing to do with anything that transpired in libya….easy

Fred ™

October 10th, 2012
5:09 pm

Jay

October 10th, 2012
5:04 pm

Pariah, I don’t know who “Jeff” is, but as far as I can tell Steve was the first and only to call someone an A-hole. If I’m wrong, please let me know.
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I think I may have been guilty of that before :oops: ………. But I wasn’t really “calling” anyone anything, I was just IDENTIFYING a condition. I’d do the same if’n I seen a hydrophoby dog in the neighborhood……..

JamVet

October 10th, 2012
5:09 pm

“Coverup.”

Leave Kyle Wingfield out of this, Abomb.

So do libs actually believe we are better now the four years ago in terms of foreign relations?

In terms of American body counts we sure are…

Support the Troops.