Romney family intervention altered campaign, polls
UPDATE: 9:07:
From The Hill:
Mitt Romney has overtaken President Obama in a Public Policy Polling survey released on Tuesday.
Romney won 49 percent support from likely voters in the poll, compared to 47 percent for Obama.
It’s the first time all year Romney has led in the poll, which was conducted on behalf of liberal Daily Kos website and the Service Employees International Union. Obama led 49-45 percent in the group’s previous poll, conducted before last week’s debate.
The PPP poll, like the Pew poll cited below, was taken in the immediate aftermath of last week’s debate.
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Source: Pew Research Center
In a new nationwide Pew poll taken in the immediate wake of last week’s debate, Mitt Romney holds a four-point lead over Barack Obama. Until that’s confirmed by other polling, count me unconvinced. Yes, Obama did poorly in the debate, but there’s little to support the contention that a 12-point swing took place — Pew’s pre-debate numbers gave Obama an eight-point lead, a little on the high side — or that the debate completely erased Obama’s 18-point lead among women, as Pew reports.
There’s no question that Romney got a good bump out of the debate. The question is how large and whether it lasts. Gallup and Rasmussen provide evidence that it has begun to fade, perhaps because of the good jobs report, but time will tell.
And what inspired this apparent shift in Romney strategy and fortunes? In an interesting new story at Politico, the change is attributed to an intervention on Romney’s behalf by his eldest son, Tagg, and his wife, Ann, in which they demanded a more moderate approach.
“Even now, many Romney officials wonder whether the change can be sustained. In essence, Romney is trying to undergo a political metamorphosis — to shed an image of personal stiffness, and to emerge loose and willing to compromise. Romney, advisers concede, is at his worst when improvising — and this shift is the biggest improvisation of the campaign. Right now, Romney is described as going with the flow, trying to quickly grow into this new public persona, most notably with his decision to tell personal stories on the stump.
Campaign officials said any change will be confined by Romney’s own cautious nature. And they are candid that their electoral map still looks terrible: Romney is behind in nearly every vital state. Ohio still looks very tough to win and New Hampshire, once a possibility, looks very bleak, officials say.”
So we’ll see. Again, there’s no question the narrative arc of the campaign has been altered. As that great political strategist Yogi Berra once noted, it ain’t over ’til it’s over.
– Jay Bookman
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larry
October 9th, 2012
1:11 pm
Its pretty sad that a man has to go against everything he has campaigned on just to win a debate.
And in the foreign policy debate , with the exception of Natenyhu, i guess he will call every prime minister , Mr. Leader.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
1:11 pm
Looks like Felix Baumgartner is go for his high-altitude skydive.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:11 pm
De-funding PBS is merely an example of cutting waste in the federal budget (oh yeah, there is no federal budget…at least not in the last 3+ years). Big Bird is part of the 1%…why the lovefest? I thought you people hated the 1^%?
Towncrier
October 9th, 2012
1:14 pm
“Are those the questions you’re asking?”
The question I asked is really just an echo of the one asked here:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/01/Media-Respond-to-Being-Challenged-on-Poll-Data
I had never considered this question before, but the author does (I think) present a reason to not give much credence to perhaps any polls save the final ones.
godless heathen
October 9th, 2012
1:15 pm
I demand to see Big Bird’s birth certificate, tax returns and college transcripts!
larry
October 9th, 2012
1:15 pm
De-funding PBS is merely an example of cutting waste in the federal budget
So is funding subsidies to oil companies. Funny, you didnt hear Mr. Romney say that.
4 billion dollars a year is a big example of cutting waste. But you will not hear that from Mr. Romney.
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
1:16 pm
Mama – not since I got married have I been to a singles bar but did go to Hooters to get some wings. Greasy but the service was good. Years ago in Atlanta I went to some strip clubs with a couple of buddies.
Can’t say much for their appearance….. much better looking women at the clubs in Columbus, near Ft.Benning. Over on “Victory Dive”.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
1:16 pm
Release those college transcripts, Mr. President!
Birthers.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:17 pm
larry: I agree with your comment re: oil companies, but, how do you know Romney will not address the issue? On the other hand, has Obama?
JKL2
October 9th, 2012
1:17 pm
fred- And here we have ANOTHER BIG MAN who feels the need to pick on not only a 14 year old little girl, but this time an 11 year old little girl as well. What a studly man
I guess it takes to real man to avoid answering a question…
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
1:17 pm
“It’s not up to the likes of Terry Tate to get me straight.”-Kamspam
No need for Mr. Tate when Doomy straightens him out quite well. Who else can call out his pearl of wisdom that a 30 year sentence for a 68 year old man means a life sentence? That one was hilarious. And I do mean Fun-knee!
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
1:18 pm
New book shows U.S. top earners pay larger share of taxes than any other industrialized nation
New book shows U.S. top earners pay larger share of taxes than any other industrialized nation
Washington Times
The Wall Street Journal’s Stephen Moore has just come out with a new book titled Who’s the Fairest of Them All?: The Truth about Opportunity, Taxes, and Wealth in America and he reveals some interesting information about how much the top ten percent of income earners in the United States pay in federal income taxes as opposed to any other industrialized nation in the world.
According to Moore, these earners pay almost half (45 percent) of the country’s total taxes. This conclusion flies in the face of the liberal concept that top earners in the U.S. are not paying their “fair share” in taxes. Moore explains:
“The United States is actually more dependent on rich people to pay taxes than even many of the more socialized economies of Europe. According to the Tax Foundation, the United States gets 45 percent of its total taxes from the top 10 percent of tax filers, whereas the international average in industrialized nations is 32 percent. America’s rich carry a larger share of the tax burden than do the rich in Belgium (25 percent), Germany (31 percent), France (28 percent), and even Sweden (27 percent).”
Towncrier
October 9th, 2012
1:18 pm
“White Castle is also trying to figure out the law.”
They need to read it to see what is in it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
1:18 pm
I demand to see Big Bird’s birth certificate, tax returns and college transcripts!
Birders.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:18 pm
Kamchak: Romney has followed the letter of the law…just like Obama. Just making a point. You know, the old goose/gander…
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
1:18 pm
larry,
Apparently DowninAlbany loves helping pick up the tab for those subsidies handouts, bailouts, giveaways and welfare to the insanely rich guys/corporate personhoods.
Corporations Uber Alles.
(And the bigger the more uber…)
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
1:19 pm
Supposed to be a live feed of the high altitude skydive here, but I’m not seeing much just yet:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/oct/09/felix-baumgartner-sky-jump-live
Pray to the Supreme Being of your choice for Mr. Baumgartner’s safe return to Earth.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
1:19 pm
“First lady Michelle Obama says that she had no idea of the breadth of sacrifices made by members of the military and their families before entering the White House. “My connection to military life was pretty tangential,” she said in an interview with ABC News set to air Tuesday.”
Just like hubby.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
1:19 pm
The Moonie Times?
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:20 pm
JamVet: Don’t try to speak for me, much less think for me. You’re putting words in my mouth. Again, name-calling…that’s all ‘ya got!
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
1:21 pm
PBS – I have no problem with what they are showing now for the most part. The fact is that they could get by without gub’ment funding but if someone wants to give you something why turn it down? There CEO get’s paid something like $300,000 a year. Not exactly starving.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
1:21 pm
Just
making a pointbeing a birther.DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:21 pm
Ahem: Now you’ve gone and done it! You’re gonna confuse these people with something they are allergic to…the TRUTH!
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
1:21 pm
these earners pay almost half (45 percent) of the country’s total taxes
This re-framing of the argument away from where the income and wealth is being concentrated in the first place, is most unconvincing.
But keep trying, maybe someone is stupid enough to buy into it. I’m sure our corporate media are happy to play along.
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
1:21 pm
“So is funding subsidies to oil companies. Funny, you didnt hear Mr. Romney say that.”- Larry
You misunderstand this. In the case of oil companies the govt is not “funding” or sending them money. They are simply confiscating less of that companies earnings. And that standard depreciation writeoff that the oil companies use is one that various other companies in the U.S. also use and have been using for around a hundred years as Mitt pointed out.
In the case of PBS the govt is actually funding them and sending them taxpayer money. Not the same thing.
RF
October 9th, 2012
1:22 pm
Jam: if corporations are people as Mitt 2.0 asserted, and they receive subsidies from the government, doesn’t that make them part of the 47% who rely on the government and refuse to take care of themselves? Perhaps Mittens will “explain” that to us….
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
1:22 pm
goose/gander????
Wow.
One is highly valuable and counteracts the flood of filth directed at our children and at us.
The other – welfare for the wealthy/trickle down – is insanely misguided and counterproductive.
Oh yeah and one is a two seat Cessna and the other is a fleet of Airbus A380s…
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:23 pm
Actually, the PBS CEO makes in excess of $600,000. Where’s the outrage, Kamchak? Oh yeah, there is none…they’re on your side!
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
1:23 pm
BYE BYE – LATER
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
1:26 pm
Actually, the PBS CEO makes in excess of $600,000. Where’s the outrage, Kamchak?
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I am someone else, sport.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
1:27 pm
Doomgangnumdance…. one of these things is not like the other one, even if they are the same.
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
1:27 pm
the PBS CEO makes in excess of $600,000
They day I hear conservatives argue that publicly funded college football coaches should work for free is the day I’ll fret about a broadcast network president making what sounds like a fairly low CEO’s salary.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
1:28 pm
Towncrier — “I had never considered this question before, but the author does (I think) present a reason to not give much credence to perhaps any polls save the final ones.”
Many pollsters say — and I know that Nate Silver has explained many times — that a given poll is a ’snapshot in time.’ They’re not meant to be reflective of what will happen at a certain point in the future; they’re meant to be reflective of what the larger survey population thinks *at that moment.* Of course they will move and change over time — that’s clearly reflective of the candidates’ efforts to get elected or re-elected. When Romney performs well in a debate, of course the numbers will start changing to reflect that.
I think that some observers (not necessarily you, but some of our posters IMO) will rely on a *single* poll and claim that it says that their chosen candidate *will* win on Election Day. That’s ridiculous; poll results don’t represent themselves as being indicative of that. But if you take a scatterplot of poll results, arranged by time, then you can start to see where the center of mass is and where it moves. That center of mass for a given date is, I believe (and pollsters generally do, too) roughly reflective of where the election results would have been had the election been held on that date.
It’s true that no poll means as much as the one held on Election Day, but you can bet that the candidates and their staffs are paying attention to the polls. If polling shows that a candidate is weak in a juicy swing state like Ohio or Pennsylvania (one with lots of EVs involved), then that information can help the campaign made wise choices about where to put money (ad buys) and where to schedule appearances by the candidate.
This is a really neat game that I highly recommend; as you play, you can see the effects that your choices as a candidate have on the individual states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_Machine
My wife’s been looking for the 2012 version of the game.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:29 pm
Nope, no mistake there, I just thought you might have something to say…you being anti-one percenter and all! “sport” there you go with the name-calling, again. That’s all ‘ya got ain’t it!
JKL2
October 9th, 2012
1:29 pm
krystal’sballs- I guess the clowns haven’t noticed that Malia is actually quite the athlete, and a bit (no a LOT) of a tomboy. She is very much in the mold of a Lalah Ali, and would shine at any U.S. Military Academy. Then again, I guess you have to have an “eye” for such things.
I guess fred missed your pedofile comment. Yes, she could potentially go to a service academy and might actually excel there. I’l put the odds of that happening around.00000000001%.
b-troll
October 9th, 2012
1:30 pm
DOOM 1:21 – correct. The conservative wins that debate issue.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
1:31 pm
…you being anti-one percenter and all!
Again — you seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that you are speaking to someone else, sport.
RF
October 9th, 2012
1:31 pm
“My connection to military life was pretty tangential,” she said in an interview with ABC News set to air Tuesday.”
Sooooo, your point? Mittens and Ann are hardly more “connected” to that life. Who in their family has served in the military? Anyone?? Oh that ’s right, none of them have. Yeah, they know all about that military sacrifice, what with hiring architects to redesign the beach house and put in that car elevator. I’m sure Ann drives around in one of her several Cadillacs just a frettin’ over those military wives.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:31 pm
stands for decibels: defend and deflect, defend and deflect. “Oh, look, your _____ is worse than mine!”
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
1:32 pm
keep up,
Nope. Not the same. Big difference between the govt just taking less of your earnings as opposed to the govt writing you a check because you can’t sustain yourself to begin with.
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
1:32 pm
Countdown is starting, if you’re interested in live coverage…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/oct/09/felix-baumgartner-sky-jump-live
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
1:33 pm
Ahem — “New book shows U.S. top earners pay larger share of taxes than any other industrialized nation”
Ever occur to you that maybe that’s why our economy is so much more powerful than any other?
Besides, I thought that we didn’t care how dirty, garlic-nibbling furriners ran their countries.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:33 pm
Who in their family has served in the military? Anyone?? Oh that ’s right, none of them have.
No, but, they have held a job, unlike the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania…unless you want to count “community-organizer.”
RF
October 9th, 2012
1:34 pm
“They day I hear conservatives argue that publicly funded college football coaches should work for free is the day I’ll fret about a broadcast network president making what sounds like a fairly low CEO’s salary.”
Those college coaches get millions, plus all kinds of donated perks if they win. Kinda makes that PBS CEO job seem like chump change, doesn’t it?
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
1:34 pm
RF, the far right wing GOP does not want an empowered, informed citizenry. Look at hwo they want to pass laws so that “certain groups of people” cannot even vote.
The new age fascists LOVE this new age American Corporatocracy!
It has replaced even Jesus as their new savior/religion.
Look at Abomb for gawdssakes. All that guy does is whine over how the people who took advantage of the insane fiscal breaks that they alone get and that were written into law by their equally monied cronies, actually have to pay some of it back!
These fools want corporations to pay no taxes at all! Just allow them to take and take and take some more and give nothing back. And let the employees pick up an always growing share of the tab.
Ultimately that is what they want for themselves. Pay nothing for living in the greatest country on earth. (Though that last part is not something the Uncle Sam haters like to admit anymore.)
Because he/the sovereign people get in the way of that mission. And labor unions stand actually benefit working class families and have the temerity up to the Titans of malfeasance and Criminal Negligence.
That is not tolerated. And just like Hitler did, their aim is to crush them and eventually outlaw them.
Corporations Uber Alles.
(People, especially the non-monied, come second.)
JKL2
October 9th, 2012
1:34 pm
fred- is that news to you? Do you stand idly by while grown men abuse little girls? You are now here……..
How did we get to obama’s foreign policy?
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:34 pm
Ever occur to you that maybe that’s why our economy is so much more powerful than any other?
Soooo, why do you support Obama and his push to change our economy?
larry
October 9th, 2012
1:35 pm
Oil companies recieve tax subsidies………… which is an indirect payment from the government which needs to be eliminated. Period.
The aggregate values of these subsidies to the U.S. oil industry is approximately $5 billion a year, almost as much as the industry pays in federal income tax ($5.7 billion). The industry’s total profits exceed $30 billion, so it would not be facing a crushing burden if the subsidies were to be eliminated; the Obama Administration proposes to eliminate only $2 billion of the subsidies.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
1:37 pm
“Soooo, why do you support Obama and his push to change our economy?”
When you have to lie to make your point…you have no point
godless heathen
October 9th, 2012
1:38 pm
Thulsa: You forget the liberal mantra: Taking less = giving; giving less = taking.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
1:38 pm
Nope. Not the same. Big difference between the govt just taking less of your earnings as opposed to the govt writing you a check because you can’t sustain yourself to begin with.
Difference without a distinction. Also false. Oil can’t sustain itself without subsidies? But hey, even Mr. Rogers can comprehend these things.
larry
October 9th, 2012
1:38 pm
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:33 pm
Actually, Joe Biden’s son serves in the military and has served time in Iraq. And i guess being a professor isnt a real job? Well, at least he wasnt a leverage buyout expert.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
1:38 pm
I find the wild point swing after one debate a little hard to believe.
I know cnn and other corporate media try to help the losing candidate out because they want to keep it close to get more ad money.
This is why I don’t pay much attention to polls until the day before the election when they correct for credibility.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
1:38 pm
DownInAlbany — “Soooo, why do you support Obama and his push to change our economy?”
And, as expected, the point goes WHOOOOOOSHing right over your head.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:38 pm
Doggone/GA: ?
RF
October 9th, 2012
1:39 pm
Albany, Albany, Albany: tsk, tsk. Here’s a list of jobs held by Obama:
Summer in college on a construction job
Summer associate at a Chicago law firm
one at a gift shop in Hawaii after his first year of college;
working a deli counter, also in Hawaii;
working for company that processed health records of police or firefighters
telemarketer selling subscriptions to the NY Times
Then, of course, he was an attorney and a state senator several times before being elected to the US Senate.
How many jobs did Mittens have in college?
Towncrier
October 9th, 2012
1:40 pm
“And just like Hitler did, their aim is to crush them and eventually outlaw them.”
I wondered how long it would take for another inane comparison to Hilter to be made. Thanks for the laughs, JV.
JKL2
October 9th, 2012
1:40 pm
adam- Let me explain, once and for all, what made people believe Bush had responsibility for gas prices and Obama does not.
Bush has an (R) behind his name. Thanks for agreeing.
Towncrier
October 9th, 2012
1:43 pm
“Those college coaches get millions, plus all kinds of donated perks if they win. Kinda makes that PBS CEO job seem like chump change, doesn’t it?”
Athletic programs at schools should pay for themselves. And those private schools with HUGE endowments should maybe lower their tuition.
AmericaShrugged
October 9th, 2012
1:43 pm
The only Presidents not to have served since Hoover are Clinton and Obama. Oh yeah, that other Dem, Rockefeller, was a civilian in the Navy as he was an assistant Secretary during WWI. I think H.W.’s kid was the only one to serve though. Generally libs have Obama’s one big happy world philosophy so they don’t like to fight.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:43 pm
RF: Now, THAT’S funny right there, I don’t care who you are! I just spit my half-lemonade, half-sweat tea (from Chic-fil-a) all over my keyboard! Gift shop in Hawaii, telemarketer for NYT! Sooo, that’s where he got all of his military and foreign policy experience! Damn, I stand corrected!
JKL2
October 9th, 2012
1:43 pm
kamchak- Release those college transcripts, Mr. President! Birthers.
Just another example of “Mr Transparency”. You rarely see an open book with so much to hide…
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
1:46 pm
The new $20.00 light bulbs now required by this out of control administration is just one of many examples of the pot calling the lying Democrats propoganda. The Romney jobs shipped over seas are alledged while the Obama jobs are factualy and documented.
Do you ever get your head out of talk radio show host ass long enough to think for yourself and see how stupid you sound? SHow us where Obama sent jobs over seas. Oh and as to lightbulbs? home Depot says you are a big fat liar:
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbmbu/h_d2/Navigation?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051
larry
October 9th, 2012
1:46 pm
Why does Paul Ryan run away when a reporter asks anything about his budget?
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/paul-ryan-aide-after-wjrt-interview-when-you-do-nearly-200-interviews-eventually-youre-going-to-see-a-local-reporter-embarrass-himself_b64873
Astounding Fact
October 9th, 2012
1:47 pm
Obama lies, people die.
Like Ambassador Chris Stevens.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
1:47 pm
Sheets.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
1:47 pm
DownInAlbany — “half-sweat tea”
Instead of an Arnold Palmer, that’s an Arnold Schwarzenegger.
JKL2
October 9th, 2012
1:47 pm
jamvet
Burn any good books lately?
RF
October 9th, 2012
1:48 pm
Albany: what were Mitten’s college jobs? Working in a gift shop doesn’t pay much, but it’s a real “job” versus sitting around waiting for your trust fund to kick in or dad to keel over so you get to open his will. Have you ever worked a deli counter or done telemarketing?
Those are actual jobs, regardless of prestige. I’d say that gives the man a better understanding of “work” than a rich-kid who grew up touring the world and having his lifestyle funded by dear daddy.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
1:48 pm
How many jobs did Mittens have in college?
Who gives a fat rat’s ass? The man is 65 years old. I doubt he can remember how many jobs he had in college, that i IF he had a job in college. I didn’t work when I was in college, so what?
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:48 pm
Fred: As I’ve commented before…O outsourced security for our embassy in Libya to a British company. How’d that work out for our diplomats?
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
1:48 pm
“The industry’s total profits exceed $30 billion, so it would not be facing a crushing burden if the subsidies were to be eliminated; the Obama Administration proposes to eliminate only $2 billion of the subsidies.”
Larry,
Well allrighty then. That’s a whole different argument. The question then becomes should we single out in an arbitrary and capricious manner one particular industry regarding the depreciation writeoff. In other words should we should pick winners and losers based on nothing more than our whims and dislikes such as our dislike for “big oil”? So is that how you want to run policy?- based on populist likes and dislikes of particular industries? And are you going to whine when big oil passes on the costs to you?
And I think you have an argument brewing with keep up the good fight. Keep up says that these oil companies can’t sustain themselves without these subsidies from the govt? But you say they made 30 billion in profits. Whose right? You or keep up the good fight?
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
1:49 pm
RF
October 9th, 2012
10:59 am
Helps that he had Big Daddy to fund his start in capitalistic society. It’s easy when you’re born to money and have parents who can loan you all you need. Silver spoons are not dispensed at every birth.
________________________________________________________
Is that what happened?
Are you SURE that’s how he got the capital to start Bain?
Are you POSITIVE George funded Bain’s start up?
Are you ASSuming?
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:49 pm
Joe, that was wrong in sooo many ways. Funny, but wrrrroooonnnngggg! Have a blessed day! Eat more chicken!
larry
October 9th, 2012
1:49 pm
What Ryan doesn’t realize is that he cant run and hide Thursday night.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
1:51 pm
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
1:48 pm
Fred: As I’ve commented before…O outsourced security for our embassy in Libya to a British company. How’d that work out for our diplomats?
+++++++++++++++++++++
When you tell the whole story and not a half truth half lie with a dangling participle, I MAY give you an answer. Try that silly crap there though on one of your brain dead talk radio hosts.
Why the hell you asking me about Libya anyway? I asked someone to link the jobs Obama outsourced to China and you reply with some stupid crap about Libya? Are you really that stupid? And Bush hired Haliburton with a no bid contract too right? Like those before him didn’t do the same.
How do you sleep at night telling so many lies all day? Well I guess it’s easy for folks like you who have no honor, ethics or integrity.
Astounding Fact
October 9th, 2012
1:52 pm
Poor Bo is going to have fewer doggie walkers in a few months.
At least Obama did not eat Bo.
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
1:53 pm
“Difference without a distinction.”
Bumper sticker statement.
Are you asking rhetorically why oil can’t survive without these subsidies? Because you’re saying that there is no distinction between PBS funding and these oil subsidies. But we both know that without funding from the govt that PBS fails to exist. Can’t say the same for Exxon though can we?
Krystal'sBalls
October 9th, 2012
1:53 pm
@JKL2
You totally missed the boat with the point I was making about Malia. I won’t even bother to reiterate the point since the post editor wiped my post by mistake.
…and learn how to spell pedoPHile will ya’?
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
1:54 pm
Is that what happened?
Are you SURE that’s how he got the capital to start Bain?
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Actually he got it from El Salvadorians who looted their Countries coffers before they fled their Country and put it in off shore banks. Romney has always had an affinity for dealing with dirty money from off shore banks that can’t be traced.
RF
October 9th, 2012
1:56 pm
hey Albany: here’s a “list” of Romney’s “jobs” that I could find (not much out there,btw) from biography.com (pretty neutral source, I’d say):
Mitt Romney attended the prestigious Cranbrook School before receiving his undergraduate degree from Brigham Young University in 1971. He attended Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School, and received both a law degree and a Master of Business Administration degree in 1975…Mitt Romney began his career in business. He worked for the management consulting firm Bain & Company before founding the investment firm Bain Capital in 1984.
Impressive history if you want a corporate man in the WH. Not so impressive if you want someone who knows what it’s like to earn a minimum-wage living in summers between college semesters. Somehow I think Mittens is a little out of touch with anyone below the 1% he grew up around.
Krystal'sBalls
October 9th, 2012
1:57 pm
….and .0000000000000001% is STILL better chances than a Romney boy suitin’ up! LMAO
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
1:58 pm
RF,
I think Mitt gave away his inheritance to the church and or BYU. From what I’ve read Mitt is largely a self made man and his father’s money had little if anything to do with his enormous successes at Bain Capital. But don’t let your preconceived notions of how you think he made his money get in the way of the pesky ole truth.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
2:01 pm
Fred: You asked for an example of O sending jobs overseas. I gave you one. You offered no defense, just more name-calling. “…silly crap…” huh? Our embassy (sovereign US soil) was bombed, the flag burned, our ambassador RAPED and MURDERED (read it again, RAPED AND MURDERED) and you call it “silly.” Up until now, I’ve been yanking ya’lls collective change…getting some grins and giggles. I will refrain, however, from stooping to your level and start name-calling…even though I have some for you that are not proper for public forum.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
2:02 pm
Impressive history if you want a corporate man in the WH.
Yes, I do. Yes, I do.
RF
October 9th, 2012
2:03 pm
@Fred: I doubt anyone cares about work history, but I was responding to the inane post here:
“No, but, they have held a job, unlike the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania…unless you want to count “community-organizer.”
Just thought a little truth and facts might clear up some confusion. Carry on.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
2:04 pm
Thulsa: Come on. He’s as much a “self made man” as Ted Turner is. They both had golden spoons up their rear ends from the time they were born and access to the “high class moneyed elite power brokers.”
Why do you folks try that crap? He is what he is, own it, regale in it. I sure as hell wouldn’t be ashamed if my daddy had been rich like his daddy and given ME the benefits that buys. Who in their right minds think he is? or his sons are?
Mick
October 9th, 2012
2:04 pm
downinalbany
How did the last corporate failure with an mba work out for you in the white house?
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
2:04 pm
“Not so impressive if you want someone who knows what it’s like to earn a minimum-wage living in summers between college semesters.”
And how much real world experience does Obama have? I read somewhere that he might have had a job one summer working at a deli counter but it seems that can’t be confirmed. I don’t see where he had some great work history during summers or part time during high school or college.
And as for his community organizer work I’ve yet to hear from anyone specifically what the man did in this role. Exactly what were his accomplishments as a community organizer? No one seems to know.Does the man have any serious accomplishments to speak of in this role?
“Somehow I think Mittens is a little out of touch with anyone below the 1% he grew up around.”
Sounds pretty judgemental to me. You don’t get to rise to his degree of prominence without knowing a little something about people including people from all walks of life.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
2:05 pm
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
2:02 pm
Impressive history if you want a corporate man in the WH.
Yes, I do. Yes, I do.
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Only because you are completely devoid of all thought processes. Being President of a Country isn’t the same as being President of a Company. I wish the talk radio idiots would admit that.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
2:07 pm
2 and William the crier, you neocons love your unique brand of American fascism and your trickle down pathology.
You anti-intellectuals hate the well educated because you want people to be stupid like you. Because being manipulated misery loves company! And PBS counters that.
You love taking rights away from people. The examples are myriad and innumerable. And you sicko habeus corpus haters know it.
You would jail women for having rights over their own bodies. (In Italy, the fascists banned literature on birth control and increased penalties for abortion in 1926, declaring both crimes against the state.)
Most of you want to destroy public education in an effort to create private schools designed to do your ideological and “Christian” (LOL!) bidding.
You HATE the word democracy. And put up all sorts of fifth grade argumetn sot expalin how it does not apply to this nation.
You violence addicted GOPers utterly reject internationalism, statesmanship and pacifism and demand militarism and war.
You glorify the traitors in the Confederacy and Joe McCarthy is your hero! Wow.
You largely ignore the Civil Rights movement an dto you unread, the Founding Fathers were Republicans that agreed with everything the Republicans are doing today.
And I haven’t even touched on how you fascist stooges are willing slaves to your Corporate Kings.
Now go bust up some unions thugs. Because they heavily represent professions held by mostly women such as nurses and education.
Is it any wonder at all that American Jews vote overwhelmingly AGAINST you???
Corporations Uber Alles.
RF
October 9th, 2012
2:07 pm
‘From what I’ve read Mitt is largely a self made man and his father’s money had little if anything to do with his enormous successes at Bain Capital”
Whether he gave away all daddy’s money is debatable, but even if he did, where did the captial come from to start Bain? somebody had to loan it to him, invest it in him, or give it to him. I’ll give him selling himself to potential investors, but he didn’t go out and scrape up the money delivering papers in Detroit as a child. He didn’t “earn” the money as much as he persuaded others to invest it. He made good on the investments, obviously. That makes him a savvy businessman. That’s hardly enough to be an effective president.
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
2:08 pm
Fred,
Romney had an advantage in education- same as most Dems like Obama or the Kennedys or Kerry. The fact of the matter is that if you do any reading at all its pretty obvious that the coin he made at Bain Capital he made. Why do you have such a problem accepting something that is commonly known about the man? His silver spoon inheritance was given away. Ya’ll keep mouthing off about his silver spoon and his daddy but when we mention that he gave away his silver spoon inheritance it seems to go in one damn ear and out the other. What if anything did his dad have to do with his successes at Bain Capital?
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
2:09 pm
Being President of a Country isn’t the same as being President of a Company.
But, being a community organizer is?
RAPED AND MURDERED, but, I’m being “silly.” Yep!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
2:10 pm
I read somewhere that I will win the Oscar for best director next year, but it seems that can’t be confirmed.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
2:10 pm
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
2:01 pm
Fred: You asked for an example of O sending jobs overseas. I gave you one.
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No you didn’t. President Obama doesn’t hire embassy guards you silly little man. Maybe you talk radio crowd believe insipid crap like that but it’s just not true. President Obama doesn’t sign defense contracts with the British company BAE systems either you silly little man.
Quit lying and try telling the truth.
RF
October 9th, 2012
2:10 pm
“Sounds pretty judgemental to me. You don’t get to rise to his degree of prominence without knowing a little something about people including people from all walks of life.”
No more judgmental that anyone else here, I’d say. What he knows is how to talk money with investors which makes him smart. He doesn’t know anything about the working class except to see them as a business expense and managable liability as a number on a page. Had he worked even once as a regular office worker or warehouse guy, he MIGHT have a clue. I’d bet he didn’t even have to polish his own silver spoon when removed from his mouth after birth. Judgmental- YEP, I’ll own that.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
2:11 pm
The fact of the matter is that if you do any reading at all its pretty obvious that I will win a Peabody Award.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
2:11 pm
Thulsa Doom: your comments are falling on deaf ears. “Charity” is not a concept Dems adhere to, unless, of course, they are giving away someone else’s money!
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
2:13 pm
Fred: The Buck obviously doesn’t stop with O, does it? Now, I’m a “silly little man.” Wow, your creativity amazes me! Name calling…that’s all ‘ya got.