Romney family intervention altered campaign, polls
UPDATE: 9:07:
From The Hill:
Mitt Romney has overtaken President Obama in a Public Policy Polling survey released on Tuesday.
Romney won 49 percent support from likely voters in the poll, compared to 47 percent for Obama.
It’s the first time all year Romney has led in the poll, which was conducted on behalf of liberal Daily Kos website and the Service Employees International Union. Obama led 49-45 percent in the group’s previous poll, conducted before last week’s debate.
The PPP poll, like the Pew poll cited below, was taken in the immediate aftermath of last week’s debate.
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Source: Pew Research Center
In a new nationwide Pew poll taken in the immediate wake of last week’s debate, Mitt Romney holds a four-point lead over Barack Obama. Until that’s confirmed by other polling, count me unconvinced. Yes, Obama did poorly in the debate, but there’s little to support the contention that a 12-point swing took place — Pew’s pre-debate numbers gave Obama an eight-point lead, a little on the high side — or that the debate completely erased Obama’s 18-point lead among women, as Pew reports.
There’s no question that Romney got a good bump out of the debate. The question is how large and whether it lasts. Gallup and Rasmussen provide evidence that it has begun to fade, perhaps because of the good jobs report, but time will tell.
And what inspired this apparent shift in Romney strategy and fortunes? In an interesting new story at Politico, the change is attributed to an intervention on Romney’s behalf by his eldest son, Tagg, and his wife, Ann, in which they demanded a more moderate approach.
“Even now, many Romney officials wonder whether the change can be sustained. In essence, Romney is trying to undergo a political metamorphosis — to shed an image of personal stiffness, and to emerge loose and willing to compromise. Romney, advisers concede, is at his worst when improvising — and this shift is the biggest improvisation of the campaign. Right now, Romney is described as going with the flow, trying to quickly grow into this new public persona, most notably with his decision to tell personal stories on the stump.
Campaign officials said any change will be confined by Romney’s own cautious nature. And they are candid that their electoral map still looks terrible: Romney is behind in nearly every vital state. Ohio still looks very tough to win and New Hampshire, once a possibility, looks very bleak, officials say.”
So we’ll see. Again, there’s no question the narrative arc of the campaign has been altered. As that great political strategist Yogi Berra once noted, it ain’t over ’til it’s over.
– Jay Bookman
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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
11:32 am
“Northern liberal is a mindset. Nand Chicago still qualifies. Strictly speaking, Romney isn’t a northerner either based on his roots. As always, anything other than Homer Simpson quality commentary blows right over your head. Man you are dense”
pauvre enfant … when the facts don’t support you, you revert to ad hominem attacks …
Illinois is the midwest – not the north
and no, “northern” isn’t a mindset – it’s a geographic reality.
granted, I’ve been drifting in and out as I’m working on spreadsheets, but to my knowledge, no one here has said anything about Mitt’s birthplace (isn’t he claiming it to be Mexico?? or is that just his spiritual home??)
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
11:33 am
Adam, JHM is the least of my worries. He’s just such an easy target. We call it “shooting fish in a barrel” down in south Jawja! He accused Romney of not having military / foreign policy experience. Unfortunately, the only applicable experience O has is in the last four years. How’s that working out? (let me give you a clue…Libya)
You still haven’t answered the question from Friday…what happened to the 250,000. Until you get the intestinal fortitude to do that…
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
11:33 am
MARTA spent $144,000 on help for top management
There’s your sign. Sigh
Life is always eaasier when spending OPM.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
11:34 am
“HOUSTON – A man who lost a son to the war in Afghanistan is disappointed in the condolence letter he received from President Barack Obama. Tom Logan, a Willis resident, calls the note late, impersonal, disrespectful and essentially a form letter. “It opened up a wound in our heart you can’t fix. You can’t send another letter. You can’t make it right,” ”
No wonder the Mittster is 40 points plus ahead with the military and vet vote…
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:35 am
Albany: so what about the clearly proven ties between Romney’s “blind trust” and Chinese oil? From http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romneys-chinese-investments-2012-9
“Of course, the Romney campaign has argued that holding these stocks in a blind trust means he didn’t invest in them himself, immunizing him from any apparent hypocrisy. But the trust where Romney has parked his $250 million fortune is arguably not all that blind: It’s in the hands of his personal lawyer and longtime associate…”
And just so you know how Romney’s “investment” was used (from the same article):
“The China National Offshore Oil Corporation has been no stranger to controversy. As a state-owned enterprise, its repeated attempts to acquire energy companies in North America has raised hackles and fears in Washington.”
So the Chinese are investing in Obama after Romney invested in them. So does that mean that Romney indirectly could own part of the Obama campaign?? Perish the thought!
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
11:37 am
“I hope Big Bird stomps the Cons in November”
Hint: That big yellow thing is not real.
Erwin's cat
October 9th, 2012
11:39 am
Pats by 3
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
11:39 am
Mama – Thought Police? Don’t go there. I don’t think that MOST African Americans voted for Obama because he is black. I expect some did but most of them voted for him because he was the democrat candidate……… if he had been the republican candidate I don’t think he would have gotten more than 15 % of the black vote. Some people voted for the republican candidate because he was white and Obama is black ….. but not many. There are racists on the left and right. I don’t think Obama’s race got him elected ……. “W” got him elected.
Mighty Righty
October 9th, 2012
11:39 am
I know how Democrats just hate statistics because they usually dispute their touchy feely not based on facts world. But, here are the latest Rassmussen poll of “likely” voters. Rassmussen has the reputation, which of course will be disputed in spite of the facts by Democrats. of being the most acurate pollster. Please note the inclusion of Michigan and Pennsylvania. Other pollsters are now saying Pennsylvania is now up for grabs with Husseins lead which was double digit now within the margin of error.
Tuesday, October 09, 2012
The full Swing State tracking update offers Rasmussen Reader subscribers a combined view of the results from 11 key states won by President Obama in 2008 and thought to be competitive in 2012. The states collectively hold 146 Electoral College votes and include Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.
In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 49% support to Obama’s 47%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
11:39 am
But I’ll give you this, Sandwich:
In the sheer naivete (don’t bother looking it up, it’s a “euro” word – better you just don’t know what it means) of your oversimplified understanding of our political reality, and the admirable dutifulness with which you lay it all out there for us here day in and day out, you do show engagement. So I’ll give you that.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
11:40 am
All this hand wringing.
Obama is still going to win easily.
The electoral map is still heavily in his favor. That hasn’t changed.
It will be a cakewalk.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
11:41 am
Mick: not sink but….Glad you’re here, can you give me an example of obama apologizing for america? Since you make the charge…
In America, there’s a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.” (Strasbourg, France)
“Another issue that confronts all democracies as they move to the future is how we deal with the past. The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history.” (Ankara, Turkey)
“While the United States has done much to promote peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms.” (Port of Spain)
Don’t be discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we’ve made some mistakes. That’s how we learn.” (Langley, VA)
“Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. … I also believe that all too often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight; that all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions. Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles, too often we set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer afford. And during this season of fear, too many of us — Democrats and Republicans, politicians, journalists, and citizens — fell silent. In other words, we went off course.” (Washington DC)
Is that enough or should I continue?
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
11:41 am
Mama – Always “nice” to chat with you. Later.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
11:42 am
Good Tuesday morning, gang.
I worked until 4:30AM, got a few hours sleep and right back at it!
Man, I love the Obama Recovery!
Glad you’re here, can you give me an example of obama apologizing for america? Since you make the charge…
Mick, our beloved Andy “Reporter/Whiner” Pinkowich doesn’t DO examples. Or specifics. Or anything factual. He just slings poo against his cage bars.
Yesterday was great. And hats off to the always cool getalife.
Sinkwich is Andy, Lee is b-troll boy/Jm and td is Doomy. How many more “alter-egos do we have here? LOL!
Our five nutjob cons are masquerading as twenty cons!
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
11:42 am
The rallying cry of a desperate lost soul:
“I very much intend to win this election,” Obama told donors in San Francisco Monday night. “But we’re only going to do it if everybody is almost obsessive for the next 29 days.”
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:44 am
Mighty: Romney’s up by a couple, for the first time….ever. That’s after ONE debate and a pretty darn good enthusiasm score. That doesn’t erase the gaffes and fumbles of the last couple of decades, but we’ll have to see how that lead solidifies or falls. I’d keep the cork in the bubbly for a few more weeks, just in case.
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
11:45 am
hmm… Don’t see the word “sorry” or “apology,” so you lose.
Better that you stay Down in Albany.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
11:46 am
Jm: “Northern liberal is a mindset. Nand Chicago still qualifies. Strictly speaking, Romney isn’t a northerner either based on his roots”
What on earth does that mean, pray tell. Are you making some sort of cryptic ethnic statement?
Otherwise, surely you’re referring to the fact that the North was industrialized long before the South and therefore it reflects interest-group formations typical of that kind of society in different ways than the South.
In such a social environment, no faction is more central and powerful than the corporatists and industrial leaders who oversee the major enterprises and firms. There was no more loyal a representative of that social class than Mitt Romney’s own father of American Motors and Governor of Michigan.
The Romneys are products of the Northern post-industrial managerial class par excellence. So your claim is completely nonsense.
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:47 am
“I also believe that all too often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight; that all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions. Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles, too often we set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer afford.”
That’s a statement of fact, IMO.
Not an apology. Try again!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
11:47 am
DownInAlbany — “Oh, by the way, Obama was quoted this morning saying, “Al Qaeda is on it’s heels” Now, do you want to discuss who is out of touch?”
Yeah. It’s Romney.
Just in case you weren’t paying attention, A-Q isn’t sailing jetliners into NYC skyscrapers any more, Champ.
“Or what about this subject, “Obama.com owned by Shanghai bundler with connections to the Chinese government.”
Evidence? Link?
“Would you like to discuss those issues? Naw, didn’t think so…”
I’d be more than happy to discuss those issues with you. And you don’t need to answer for me, as I’m completely capable of answering for myself.
BTW, nice pivot from Romney being completely ignorant on the subjects of the military and foreign policy. I didn’t think YOU wanted to discuss THOSE issues anyway. (laughing, pointing)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
11:47 am
In an interesting new story at Politico, the change is attributed to an intervention on Romney’s behalf by his eldest son, Tagg, and his wife, Ann, in which they demanded a more moderate approach.
And it’s what candidates do. In order to win the primary, he had to appear more ideology driven, now in the general election he has to appear more moderate.
It’s telling that republicans are less concerned about purity and more concerned about beating Obama at any cost.
But why didn’t you nominate a true moderate in the first place?
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:49 am
“our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions.”
Bet that had Rove, Cheney, and a few others fumbling for the blood pressure pills!
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
11:50 am
And this from Andrew Sullivan, yes Andrew Sullivan:
Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?
The Pew poll is devastating, just devastating. Before the debate, Obama had a 51 – 43 lead; now, Romney has a 49 – 45 lead. That’s a simply unprecedented reversal for a candidate in October. Before Obama had leads on every policy issue and personal characteristic; now Romney leads in almost all of them. Obama’s performance gave Romney a 12 point swing! I repeat: a 12 point swing.
Romney’s favorables are above Obama’s now. Yes, you read that right. Romney’s favorables are higher than Obama’s right now. That gender gap that was Obama’s firewall? Over in one night:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/did-obama-just-throw-the-entire-election-away.html
USMC
October 9th, 2012
11:50 am
More trouble for the Obama Campaign…
Sesame Street asks Obama campaign to take down Big Bird ad
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/260949-sesame-street-asks-obama-campaign-to-take-big-bird-ad-down
Even Bigbird doesn’t like Chairman Oba(mao)!
td
October 9th, 2012
11:51 am
Just as I predicted would happen if Obama was behind in the polls in October:
http://twitchy.com/2012/10/09/new-civility-obama-supporters-threaten-to-riot-if-romney-wins/
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:51 am
Joe: Romney’s blind trust held stock in the state-owned Chinese oil company. And that’s a fact since they just recently sold said stock after being called out on it. But facts don’t matter on the right as much as good innuendo.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
11:51 am
“Morality” — “Mama – No you don’t “get it”. 1st of all you brought up Chuck Norris – not me.”
Because you were arguing that celebrities should STFU about politics. But you sure changed your tune when I brought up Norris, didn’t you? (laughing)
“I don’t vote for anyone based on a celebrities opinion. I am just saying that in the real world (outside of Hollyweird) Norris has achieved success and has actively helped inner city youth with his time and money for years.”
Which is irrelevant to whether or not one should listen to what he’s got to say about politics.
“It doesn’t have anything at all to do with why SLJ voted (maybe) for Obama.”
I didn’t say it did.
“You brought up Chuck Norris – not me. Just defending his right to his opinion.”
Oh, and SLJ doesn’t have a right to *his* opinion? I see where this is going.
“I know SLJ is left of mainstream and Chuck is right of mainstream Hollyweird. Took guts to speak out when being black balled”
Spare me. Tom Cruise is absolutely insane, IMO, and it doesn’t seem to hurt him at the box office.
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
11:52 am
It’s telling that republicans are less concerned about purity and more concerned about beating Obama at any cost.
The telling action will be if Romney loses. They are going to veer that GOP tank so hard to the right that the left tracks are going to disintegrate.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
11:52 am
Rassmussen has the reputation, which of course will be disputed in spite of the facts by Democrats. of being the most acurate pollster
Not a factual statement.
From 2010
Polls conducted by the firm Rasmussen Reports — which released more than 100 surveys in the final three weeks of the campaign, including some commissioned under a subsidiary on behalf of Fox News — badly missed the margin in many states, and also exhibited a considerable bias toward Republican candidates.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
11:54 am
The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points, including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
11:54 am
Deficit hawks are narcissistic sadists who want tax cuts for themselves and suffering for everybody else.
td
October 9th, 2012
11:54 am
USMC
October 9th, 2012
11:50 am
How will Bob (Bagdad) Gibbs spin this one?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
11:55 am
The Pew poll is devastating, just devastating. Before the debate, Obama had a 51 – 43 lead; now, Romney has a 49 – 45 lead. That’s a simply unprecedented reversal for a candidate in October
But…but…but… that Obama lead was the result of skewed polls…. Obama never had a lead.. so obviously your drama queen portrayal deserves a feinting couch. Oh MY! Now that is just devastating.
Mighty Righty
October 9th, 2012
11:55 am
We know what the Democrat strategy of the desperate Democrat campaign wil be for next week. Jay has probably already been supplied his talking points by the DNC. The message will be Mitt Romney is a “war monger” and will get us involved in another war. They will lie about Romney’s response to the administration’s demonstrated incompetence in handling the Libyan murder of our embassy people. They will ignore their own lying shoot from the hip response in their attempt to cover up their own involvement and stupidity which directlylead to the deaths of our people. It will be fun to watch the press and electronic media provide cover for our over matched president.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
11:56 am
DIA — “Adam, JHM is the least of my worries. He’s just such an easy target.”
You haven’t hit me yet, son. (laughing)
“We call it “shooting fish in a barrel” down in south Jawja!”
Where I come from, we use a rod and reel to fish and we shoot deer. Maybe y’all never got the memo down in south Jawja.
“He accused Romney of not having military / foreign policy experience.”
Well, that’s quite true, but it’s not what I said. Doesn’t surprise me that either you can’t read or you can’t be honest. (laughing, pointing)
“Unfortunately, the only applicable experience O has is in the last four years. How’s that working out? (let me give you a clue…Libya)”
Which gives him at least four years’ more experience than Romney. Thanks for the assist!
USMC
October 9th, 2012
11:57 am
“How will Bob (Bagdad) Gibbs spin this one?”–
He might do his Cookie Monster or Mr. Snuffalufakas routine!
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:57 am
mornin’ td: did you see the sampling of Romney’s flip-flops posted for you last night and up a page here? Thought about you as I posted…
twitchy.com???? Seriously? You looked bad quoting from Heritage.org, and you were in question quoting form breitbart.com…but twitchy? Dude, you gotta get past the Newt class in college and find some reputable research.
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
11:57 am
“But Captain, are you sure arranging the deck chairs is more important right now? What about the iceberg”?
In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 49% support to Obama’s 47%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.
This is the first time Romney has led the daily Swing State Survey since September 19. Until today, the president had led for 17 of the previous 19 days, and the candidates had been tied twice. This survey is based on findings from the previous seven days, with most of the responses now coming since Romney’s debate win last Wednesday night.
Forty-six percent (46%) of these Swing State voters are now “certain” they will vote for Romney and will not change their minds. Forty percent (40%) are certain they will vote for the president.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
11:57 am
“Morality” — “Mama – Thought Police? Don’t go there.”
You’re already gone there ahead of me. Otherwise, why bring up SLJ?
Mick
October 9th, 2012
11:57 am
downinalbany
I guess your right because I forgot that america is the bestest, most righteous, never wrong, mistake free country in the world? Still didn’t read about any apology, your projection is an epic fail…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
11:58 am
The telling action will be if Romney loses. They are going to veer that GOP tank so hard to the right that the left tracks are going to disintegrate.
And it’s this very action that got them here.
I don’t get it.
In order to win the nomination, the candidate must adhere to a certain purity test. But in order to win the general election, that same candidate must now alter or even reverse an archived position opening him/herself up to accusations of flip-flopping.
If defeating Obama is the prime objective, why not just nominate a moderate in the first place?
Geez….
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
12:00 pm
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html
Thats what your electoral vote will look like on election night.
The problem Cheesy Grits has is that he must win almost every toss up.
Obama just needs to pick off a couple.
td
October 9th, 2012
12:01 pm
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:57 am
Did you not see my response with the list of promises Obama made and has not carried out?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
12:02 pm
The Book of Mormon is a book of LDS scripture that takes place during the same time as the Bible and takes place on the American continent. It follows the stories of two tribes who descended from the family of Lehi. After Jesus’ resurrection LDS people believe he visited the peoples of the Americas.
I wonder if he visited Atlanta ?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
12:02 pm
Ahem — “And this from Andrew Sullivan, yes Andrew Sullivan:”
You mean *conservative blogger* Andrew Sullivan? That Andrew Sullivan?
Mick
October 9th, 2012
12:03 pm
td
The previous president invested his capital after winning a second term by going after social security, how did that work out? Nobobdy really asked him to do it anyway but he insisted, so every president makes promises and few are attainable…
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
12:03 pm
“Romney’s blind trust held stock in…”
Can you explain how blind trusts function and why they are utilized?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
12:03 pm
If Romney wins I give it 90 days until the bombs start dropping on brown or black people somewhere.
Especially since guys like Bolton will be whispering in his ear.
Then we will be told deficits dont matter because we are at war.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
12:04 pm
“Did you not see my response with the list of promises Obama made and has not carried out?”
Has there EVER been a President who kept EVERY – EACH AND EVERY – campaign promise they made?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
12:04 pm
BTW I see now that Georgia is going to tax internet sales.
Thanks Republicans.
Cant keep those guys out of my wallet.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
12:04 pm
td — “Just as I predicted would happen if Obama was behind in the polls in October:”
Hey, td, someone jacked your handle yesterday over on Jimm Galloway’s blog and was posting some pretty racist stuff. Just thought you ought to know about it.
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/10/06/if-you-believe-in-victor-hill-you-believe-someone-is-out-to-get-him/?cxntfid=blogs_political_insider_jim_galloway
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
12:04 pm
68 year old Sandusky get a minimum 30 year sentence.
At his age, that’s a life sentence.
Michael
October 9th, 2012
12:05 pm
Romney wants support the insurgents in Syria. That means borrowing money from the Chinese,which is his test. Since many of the insurgents are supported by the Saudis that funded Al Qaeda, I don’t think that makes a lot of sense.
His robust foreign policy is the New American Century revisited. It didn’t work too well on its first iteration and won’t in a repeat.
The vice president debate could be interesting in that Biden can call out the lies and incosistencies. Also Biden is the only one of the four candidates to have a son that served in the middle east. But, that will not mean much to the chicken hawks advising Romney.
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
12:05 pm
“You mean *conservative blogger* Andrew Sullivan? That Andrew Sullivan?”
No. You see, there is no such blogger as Andrew Sullivan, the conservative blogger.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
12:05 pm
“The message will be Mitt Romney is a “war monger” and will get us involved in another war.”
No doubt, MR, but the DNC has another barrage waiting in the wings: Mormonism is an evil cult of Satan worshipers.
Jay has that blog written already.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
12:06 pm
Still didn’t read about any apology, your projection is an epic fail…
Poor td.
A permanent prevaricator and the self-inflicted victim of Rushspeak.
Not one single apology in the whole damn list and he says they are ALL apologies!
LOL…
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
12:07 pm
When it comes to reinventing yourself, Romney is making Al Gore look like an amateur. He’s taken just about every position possible on every major issue. Does anybody really know what he will do?
Jm
October 9th, 2012
12:08 pm
Welcome
You only caught the middle of the conversation
USMC
Next presidential debate will be nerve racking
But I’m guessing, as long as Romney performs well, then it will be a “win” in the sense for Romney because they won’t see the Obama campaign caricature of the man, but instead the guy he is
Obama will presumably do better than last time, but the Obama bubble has burst
bman
October 9th, 2012
12:08 pm
“Obama just needs to pick off a couple.”
I wod have to agree. Michigan is supposedly a toss-up. There’s no way Romney will win his home state.
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
12:09 pm
If defeating Obama is the prime objective, why not just nominate a moderate in the first place?
Geez….
I guess facts and common sense are foreign languages to some people.
RF
October 9th, 2012
12:09 pm
Ahem: Romney was recorded saying that a “blind trust” is nothing but a front. The trustee, in this case a close associate of his, does nothing that isn’t in line with what is wanted by the investor. Read the article- it’s pretty clear Romney knew what he was investing in and that investment was sold once it threatened his campaign. Anything else?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
12:10 pm
Blind trusts made simple.
Okay, I realize the source may not be trusted and may be lying.
td
October 9th, 2012
12:11 pm
Mick
October 9th, 2012
12:03 pm
td
The previous president invested his capital after winning a second term by going after social security, how did that work out? Nobobdy really asked him to do it anyway but he insisted, so every president makes promises and few are attainable…
The problem is Obama stated if he did not cut the debt in half then he would not be re elected. This is like the no new taxes pledge GHWB made. We made Bush pay for that promise just like we should make Obama pay for his.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
12:11 pm
Ahem — “No. You see, there is no such blogger as Andrew Sullivan, the conservative blogger.”
Uh huh. Just like David Stockman (Reagan’s budget director) and Jim Webb (Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy). I see.
You go back and read Sullivan’s work from 2002-2004 and tell me he wasn’t beating the drum for the conservative case in the Middle East.
Don’t even try, Ahem. Sooner or later, y’all need to recognize that reinventing yourselves is tough when TV and the internet retain everything you ever say or write.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
12:12 pm
RF — “The trustee, in this case a close associate of his, does nothing that isn’t in line with what is wanted by the investor.”
I was under the impression that the trustee was actually Romney’s attorney.
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
12:14 pm
hiram
October 9th, 2012
8:27 am
@taxpayer
The Tea Party is a short lived aberration that was mobilized by Karl Rove, via Rush, Faux, et. al. It’s made up of the congregations of backwater churches, and monster truck driving, small time contractors, who never participated in the election process, before W. They are energized by sensationalism, which is generated by the robber barons’ blood money, and there’s a growing divide between the monster truckers, strutting, snake handling preachers and the robber barons, because the Tea Party’s lack of sophistication is beginning to cost them elections.
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hiram, you just got a call from Ginormous Broad Brushes R Us. They said your new ginormous broad brush delivery was delayed. Seems they will not be able to use the triple wide flatbead like last time. They are going to bring it in by barge and then have it air lifted using 2 heavy lift flying cranes. As a side note, the manufacturer said your broadbrush has set a record since it can be seen from space.
Congrats
RF
October 9th, 2012
12:14 pm
td: saw your list, wasn’t anything new. Campaign promises are often unfulfilled. We could spend days overloading the blog with those. Your boy is doing 180s on policy issues, which brings into question whether he has a bonafide position on anything that isn’t dictated by polls or his wife and son. The only consistency in Romney’s plan is changing tax rates and policies to benefit the wealthy. How he’ll do that is yet another murky cesspool of ideology that noone can pin down with any clarity.
bman
October 9th, 2012
12:14 pm
Keep up .. .. Back on your BingCycle?
Thanks for that info. It’s sure to have a big impact on the election…
Bing on brother…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
12:14 pm
We made Bush pay for that promise just like we should make Obama pay for his.
Sure… and of course between the time that Bush made that promise and he passed his new tax, there was the greatest economic failure since the Great Depression, right? …..
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
12:16 pm
Conservative blogger, NOT. I could claim to be six foot-two and the perfect physical specimen, but then that would not reflect reality. We were also told Oblunda was the smartest guy around, but…
The core principles of Sullivan’s blog have been the style of conservatism he views as traditional. This includes fiscal conservatism, limited government, and classic libertarianism on social issues. Sullivan opposes government involvement with respect to sexual and consensual matters between adults, such as the use of marijuana and prostitution. Sullivan believes recognition of same-sex marriage is a civil-rights issue but is willing to promote it on a state-by-state legislative federalism basis, rather than trying to judicially impose the change.[22] Most of Sullivan’s disputes with other conservatives have been over social issues, such as these, and the handling of postwar Iraq.
RF
October 9th, 2012
12:16 pm
Joe: it is his attorney. I used “associate” incorrectly, but I guess it could be used considering the closeness of an attorney to his client.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
12:17 pm
godless heathen
October 9th, 2012
10:03 am
Stating an opinion that the children of the President probably won’t serve in the military is picking on 2 little girls?
Me thinks Fred is stretching pretty far to find something to be indignant about.
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No you just need some excuse for your despicable behavior. In no world do you pick on little girls. Well unless you are a Republican and the little girls in question are Obama’s. But thta’s ok because they aren’t really “little girls” are they? Naw, they aren’t really human, they are just a couple of pickaninnies right?
USMC
October 9th, 2012
12:17 pm
“Next presidential debate will be nerve racking”–JM
I predict that Obama will come out way too aggressive in the next debate, and Mitt Romney will act as the Matador waving the RED cape as Obama runs out of control right by him into the wall.
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
12:17 pm
Pizzaman
October 9th, 2012
7:30 am
I don’t care who won the debate, this Vietnam Vet will never vote for a draft dodger. I’ve never been involved in a poll so they don’t matter!
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Sorry to hear that you didn’t vote for Bill Clinton. He was a pretty good President.
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
12:18 pm
Ahem, I gotta ask: What is it that you’ve quoted in italics @ 12.16 that makes Sullivan “not conservative”?
BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)
October 9th, 2012
12:19 pm
There is no need to kill Big Bird or de-fund PBS. Just lay off Bert and Ernie until the economy improves.
USMC
October 9th, 2012
12:20 pm
With Romney pulling away with the election, DemocRats have already STOOPED to the low level of name-calling; Romney is a LIAR, etc. They will then attempt to STEAL the election through election fraud by using Illegal Aliens and Dead People as voters… Watch and see. DemocRats, and children, are so predictable.
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
12:21 pm
Just lay off Bert and Ernie
Can’t we keep same-sex marriage out of this?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
12:21 pm
I predict that Obama will come out way too aggressive in the next debate, and Mitt Romney will act as the Matador waving the RED cape as Obama runs out of control right by him into the wall.
I predict Obama will first ask Romney which one of him showed up that night.
So he knows which Mitt Romney he is debating.
Then he will proceed accordingly.
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
12:21 pm
“In fact, if I had my way, there would be a law that you had to marry outside your race.”- Normal
Normal,
And that’s what makes liberals so damn scary. Damn good thing we don’t have you as dictator for life. Nothing wrong with people wanting to marry whoever the hell they want to- whether their chosen spouse is in or outside of their own race. But when social engineering “I know what’s best for you” liberals like yourself come along with your hare brained social engineering ideas we should all just run for cover.
Are you God or something? I can’t imagine who in the hell you think you are that if you were in charge that you would enforce a law that everyone has to marry outside of their race because it fits your fancy social engineering notions of what’s best for mankind.
Ever hear of freedom of association? Freedom of choice? Freedom to love who you want to even if gasp! -that person should be of the same race? How about just freedom?
I hope you walk back your dictatorial social engineering notions of who should marry who because it suits your particular views. Its nothing short of astounding that a person would think that way.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
12:21 pm
How do Republicans equate 5 GROWN MEN the “youngest” being 32 the oldest being 42 with a little girl 14 and a “littler” girl 11? Matt, 41 has girls at or near the same age as the Presidents, why don’t you studly Republicans pick on them? use THEM as fodder for your hateful lied filled posts?
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 9th, 2012
12:22 pm
Just a thought, I think sometimes people get confused when they say the govt takes care of them. Does the govt have it’s own money or is it simply the taxpayer’s money? From now on, let’s say we(the taxpaying citizens) takes care of the folks who get welfare and social financial assistance. I believe we provide a welfare bridge to those folks who need help but I do not want to finance a permanent lifestyle forever.
Krystal'sBalls
October 9th, 2012
12:22 pm
@Micheal. Interesting you pointed that out, and I wondered how many people caught it when Romney said it in his VMI speech – “We want this century to be an AMERICAN century…”
I was like, “bingo!” Neocon warmongering/PNAC all over again. People will get what they deserve. I know I’M not signing on for that BS.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
12:23 pm
I predict Obama will say to Mitt at some time during the debate: There’s no crying in Presidential Debates
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
12:23 pm
Talk about voter fraud. There is a lot more fraud in absentee balloting.
But Republicans dont care about that because absentee ballots tend to break their way.
I say again.
Thanks Republicans for taxing Internet sales.
Is there anything Republicans wont tax ?
Mighty Righty
October 9th, 2012
12:23 pm
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
12:05 pm
Agreed. However a political party that is run by and indebted to atheist’s it is difficult for them to have any credibility when criticising any religion. Their biggest problem now is they don’t have the stomach for mending fences with the Catholic voters.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
12:24 pm
Its nothing short of astounding that I can make The Most Interesting Man in the World cry like a 2 year old.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
12:25 pm
Its nothing short of astounding that I can free dive to the bottom of the Marianas trench
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
12:26 pm
“In no world do you pick on little girls. Well unless you are a Republican and the little girls in question are Obama’s. But thta’s ok because they aren’t really “little girls” are they?”
Fred,
You may want to send that along to David Letterman, Bill Maher, and others. Making jokes about Palin’s younger daughter(12 years old I think) getting knocked up by a pro athlete falls in this category. But I don’t remember seeing your outrage on here about that.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
12:26 pm
Ever hear of freedom of association? Freedom of choice? Freedom to love who you want to even if gasp! -that person should be of the same race? How about just freedom?
So you support gay marriage ?
Or are you still a hypocrite ?
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
12:26 pm
PBS haters are low brow idiots who love Trump & Trash TV.
And who make the Hollywood liberals filthy rich by standing in long lines for their movies.
Confused, conflicted and constipated – the GOP way of life…
Mighty Righty
October 9th, 2012
12:27 pm
I predict Obama will first ask Romney which one of him showed up that night.
Believe me, it isn’t which Romney showing up scares the Democrats as much as they are petrified at the real Obama showing up! LOL.
Mick
October 9th, 2012
12:27 pm
td
Not even remotley similar…I think obama can be excused for not cutting the deficit in half because of a world teetering on the brink his first year in office. One could argue that he was remarkable in stabilizing the world economy but you don’t want to see that…
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
12:27 pm
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stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
12:18 pm
I though it was obvious. I suppose Sullivan could be characterized as having some conservative leanings, but some of his positions on social issues are less than conservative IMHO.
Brosephus™ - as Samuel L. Jackson
October 9th, 2012
12:27 pm
As a side note, the manufacturer said your broadbrush has set a record since it can be seen from space.
That is ONE BIG MUTHA*%&#$^ BRUSH!!!! I am getting tired of these MUTHA*%&#$^ broad brushed attacks on this MUTHA*%&#$^ blog.
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
12:27 pm
kamchak,
Hilarious! Hell that’s even funnier than you making jokes about a puppy getting run over. Stay classy Kamspam.
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
12:28 pm
Enough of this. Now that Limbaugh is on WSB750 (95.5 FM) I can listen to the show without static. Yeah, Baby!
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
12:28 pm
Does the govt have it’s own money or is it simply the taxpayer’s money
Well, given that this stuff we call “money” doesn’t exist without the government, it sounds like a chicken/egg kinda deal to me.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
12:29 pm
You may want to send that along to David Letterman, Bill Maher, and others. Making jokes about Palin’s younger daughter(12 years old I think) getting knocked up by a pro athlete falls in this category. But I don’t remember seeing your outrage on here about that.
Difference is Republicans always put themselves up as the wholesome family values types who are pure as driven snow. For political gain.
Bristol herself signed an abstinence pledge. Something most conservatives support instead of sex ed and condoms.
Well how did that work out ?
They deserve to be mocked.
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
12:29 pm
indigo
October 9th, 2012
8:54 am
How did Mitt miss out on serving in Vietnam? Did he, like Cheney, have “other priorities”?
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I think Mitt called Bill Clinton and asked how he did it.
I’m sure you had the same question about Bill’s Vietnam service, right?