Romney family intervention altered campaign, polls
UPDATE: 9:07:
From The Hill:
Mitt Romney has overtaken President Obama in a Public Policy Polling survey released on Tuesday.
Romney won 49 percent support from likely voters in the poll, compared to 47 percent for Obama.
It’s the first time all year Romney has led in the poll, which was conducted on behalf of liberal Daily Kos website and the Service Employees International Union. Obama led 49-45 percent in the group’s previous poll, conducted before last week’s debate.
The PPP poll, like the Pew poll cited below, was taken in the immediate aftermath of last week’s debate.
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Source: Pew Research Center
In a new nationwide Pew poll taken in the immediate wake of last week’s debate, Mitt Romney holds a four-point lead over Barack Obama. Until that’s confirmed by other polling, count me unconvinced. Yes, Obama did poorly in the debate, but there’s little to support the contention that a 12-point swing took place — Pew’s pre-debate numbers gave Obama an eight-point lead, a little on the high side — or that the debate completely erased Obama’s 18-point lead among women, as Pew reports.
There’s no question that Romney got a good bump out of the debate. The question is how large and whether it lasts. Gallup and Rasmussen provide evidence that it has begun to fade, perhaps because of the good jobs report, but time will tell.
And what inspired this apparent shift in Romney strategy and fortunes? In an interesting new story at Politico, the change is attributed to an intervention on Romney’s behalf by his eldest son, Tagg, and his wife, Ann, in which they demanded a more moderate approach.
“Even now, many Romney officials wonder whether the change can be sustained. In essence, Romney is trying to undergo a political metamorphosis — to shed an image of personal stiffness, and to emerge loose and willing to compromise. Romney, advisers concede, is at his worst when improvising — and this shift is the biggest improvisation of the campaign. Right now, Romney is described as going with the flow, trying to quickly grow into this new public persona, most notably with his decision to tell personal stories on the stump.
Campaign officials said any change will be confined by Romney’s own cautious nature. And they are candid that their electoral map still looks terrible: Romney is behind in nearly every vital state. Ohio still looks very tough to win and New Hampshire, once a possibility, looks very bleak, officials say.”
So we’ll see. Again, there’s no question the narrative arc of the campaign has been altered. As that great political strategist Yogi Berra once noted, it ain’t over ’til it’s over.
– Jay Bookman
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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
10:26 am
“Wonder if they’re having him attend 12-step meetings, such as EA, (Extremists Anonymous).”
well, Ann did say that she was most worried about Mitt’s mental well-being if he’s elected.
I’m happy to alleviate that fear for her
Mighty Righty
October 9th, 2012
10:26 am
Jay, Jay, Jay, this must be the new Dem talking points. There are polls showing a far larger margin for Romney. Independents now favor Romney by a far larger margin. The mythical womens vote has swung toward Romney. Florida is now solidly for Romney and Ohio is a toss up. If the election were held today, it would be a Romney landslide in spite of the fictional jobs report. But, 4 weeks a lot can change. Between now and then nothing will be beneath this training wheel administration’s desperate atempt at seizing power.
bman
October 9th, 2012
10:27 am
““I didn’t vote for Obama ’cause he’s got a plan to save America. He ain’t got no G D plan to save America. I voted for Obama ’cause he’s black”.
Samuel Jackson wasn’t serious – at least I don’t think so. He was trying to be funny….that’s what he does.
sam
October 9th, 2012
10:28 am
i used to wonder who are these people on the fringes that believe every lie and distortion about the ‘other side’ and are convinced the ‘other side’ is trying to destroy our country….i want to thank y’all for finally giving me some clarity on that question. please proceed
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
10:29 am
RIghty — ” There are polls showing a far larger margin for Romney. Independents now favor Romney by a far larger margin. The mythical womens vote has swung toward Romney. Florida is now solidly for Romney and Ohio is a toss up.”
Funny how you’ll ignore the dozens of polls that say otherwise, but when Pew comes out with a single outlier, you somehow decide that the single outlier is actually *many* polls that refute everything else that’s come before.
You’re not only as credulous as a toddler, you’re a living joke, Righty. Go back to high school algebra and learn some mathematics.
Mighty Righty
October 9th, 2012
10:30 am
The change in the “political narrative” has been the Democrat arrage of accusing an honest man of lying while their own campaign can’t express truth. The examples are too many to mention but the press has not problem repeating known lies.
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
10:31 am
Mama …. sorry but no can do. “Snakes ON A Plane” should have won SLJ an Oscar for it’s “socially redeeming” message and his masterful performance. Chuck Norris is a Christian, served his country in Korea and he is a legitimate former full contact karate world champion several times over…… takes courage to voice your convictions when Hollyweird does not agree. I admire him for that. He has also helped thousands of inner city children through his youth programs. He’s real and SLJ – well he’s an actor.
Oscar
October 9th, 2012
10:32 am
Romney’s big plan is to increase defense spending. Where will we get the money. Don’t know if China will lend us the money. They are about to cut us off. Time to reduce spending. LIke when Obama saved 716 billion of waste in medicare. Romney was against that. Does not want to save money and reduce spending.
Documental: La Biblia vs. el Libro de Mormón
October 9th, 2012
10:32 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5CavN3AABY
Jack
October 9th, 2012
10:34 am
Romney’s family changed the polls? It was Obama being himself during the debate that changed the polls.
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
10:34 am
The only poll that counts is the last one – on voting day. LIKELY VOTERS. Dope addicts and prison inmates don’t vote.
Tundra Dude
October 9th, 2012
10:38 am
“Wonder if they’re having him attend 12-step meetings, such as EA, (Extremists Anonymous).”
well, Ann did say that she was most worried about Mitt’s mental well-being if he’s elected.
They should have started his therapy 2 years ago…..but then he’d never have gotten the nomination.
(we don’t want no stinkin’ moderates)
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
10:39 am
“Morality” — “Mama …. sorry but no can do.”
I didn’t think so. Your “morality” doesn’t seem to permit for much honesty.
“Snakes ON A Plane” should have won SLJ an Oscar for it’s “socially redeeming” message and his masterful performance. Chuck Norris is a Christian, served his country in Korea and he is a legitimate former full contact karate world champion several times over…”
So? What difference does that make? Jackson and Norris are still actors. If you’re going to argue that one is full of pewp and should be ignored, then both are full of pewp and should be ignored — or else *you* are full of pewp and should be ignored.
“. . . takes courage to voice your convictions when Hollyweird does not agree.”
So what? What’s courage got to do with whether you’re full of pewp or not?
“I admire him for that. He has also helped thousands of inner city children through his youth programs. He’s real and SLJ – well he’s an actor.”
All of which is irrelevant to your argument w/r/t Jackson. You’re just reaching for excuses.
Mighty Righty
October 9th, 2012
10:39 am
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
10:29 am
Sorry Joe, your man is getting his butt whipped and all you can do is whine. He trails in the polls not because of the excuses Jay is repeating but because without teleprompeter, speech writers, and a fawining press his intellect was exposed for all to see. His inability to discuss his own policies scares most people. This race is all but over.
Jack in cumming
October 9th, 2012
10:40 am
Obama winging it with no real solutions to the issues is what changed the polls. Imagine if the welfare class wasn’t behind him
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
10:41 am
In the debate Obama couldn’t “evolve” fast enough for his smoke screen to cover him. Reminds me of the Wizard of Oz where the curtain was pulled back and the fake Obama ( er Oz) was revealed. Just hand the voters a ticking clock and tell them that is their heart. Are voters that naive? Appears that some of them now see Obama for what he is. OOPS! His curtain has been pulled back.
Oscar
October 9th, 2012
10:41 am
we don’t want no stinkin’ moderates)
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Guess he fooled you guys into thinking he was not a moderate. I think he is a (gasp) liberal. Passed Romney Care. Brags about how well it’s working. Critical of Obama for cuts in medicare.
Does not sound conservative to me.
Eminem's response to Mitt Romney
October 9th, 2012
10:42 am
“Let Detroit Go Bankrupt”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1IhXZD4Txs
Ben Shockley
October 9th, 2012
10:44 am
“he should tell the liar to look in the camera and say it was wrong to save millions of auto workers jobs. ”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Jack in cumming
October 9th, 2012
10:46 am
Now Obama can debate on why embassy marines don’t need real bullets
Ben Shockley
October 9th, 2012
10:46 am
Dude got elected governor of MASSACHUSETTS for chrissakes, and passed a government health care bill while governor, and the left is now trying to portray him as a former right wing extremist trying to pass himself off as moderate.
Liberals are SO freaking funny…….
Oscar
October 9th, 2012
10:47 am
he should tell the liar to look in the camera and say it was wrong to save millions of auto workers jobs. ”
-___________
He thought it was wrong when he was a conservative going for the nomination. Now he’s a moderate and thinks the plan was a good one and supports it.
RF
October 9th, 2012
10:48 am
Shake the Etch-A-Sketch one more time, eh? That’s all this is- another attempt to say whatever it takes to get elected. His empty, flip-flop rhetoric and feeble attempts to appear “normal” won’t last. Romney just can’t own who he is, a rich guy who wants political power so he can help the other rich guys. I’d have a wee tad more respect for him if he’d just admit it. I guess we’ll see if enough voters are delusional enough to believe it. I’ve seen car salesmen with a better shtick than this.
Oscar
October 9th, 2012
10:48 am
former right wing extremist trying to pass himself off as moderat
__________
No, he is a moderate who passed himself off as a right wing extremist to get the nomination.
GT
October 9th, 2012
10:48 am
The cocktail circuit in Atlanta last week was telling me how skewed the polls were. It was a comment, then the yep reflection, and the continued observation of how the polls are a conspiracy. It was as factual in the mind of the speaker as death and taxes. He sounded like the car salesman in Fargo trying to explain the 300,000 dollars missing from the loan department.
Jack Welsh looked like a shop lifter caught last Friday in interviews trying to explain his tweeted comments. He practically put Watergate in the lap of the labor department, but had empty pockets when asked for facts. It just doesn’t feel like a 7.8% unemployed economy, it was too convenient to have good news now.
Is this the view of the Republican Party, everything is a lie from the other side or in the labor department our side. Is there McCarthyism in this thinking? I don’t think this way, but now that they do, it makes me wonder if the conclusion is not part of their reality. We know Fox is a homer for the right on steroids, this bias news gathering was their idea, though they, on that too, try to rub it off on us. You live with thieves the first thought every night before bed is someone is going to steal from you. Everything is process through the reality of the observer.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
10:49 am
Righty — “Sorry Joe, your man is getting his butt whipped:”
Nope. the VAST majority of the polls say Romney’s going to have his azz handed to him.
“and all you can do is whine.”
Not at all. I just point out how pathetically uninformed and inaccurate your posts always turn out to be. You’re the squeaky wheel, Champ, and I’m the grease.
“He trails in the polls”
Fool. Obama trails in *a* poll. And here you are, just as I said. foolishly behaving as if that one single outlier of a poll proves your point. You’re PATHETIC. (laughing)
“not because of the excuses Jay is repeating but because without teleprompeter, speech writers, and a fawining press his intellect was exposed for all to see.”
Look who’s whining now. (laughing)
“His inability to discuss his own policies scares most people.”
Yes, Romney’s inability to give specifics about his own policies does, in fact, trouble me.
“This race is all but over.”
And has been so for weeks. Hope you like surprises, Champ.
Ben Shockley
October 9th, 2012
10:49 am
I don’t think GM and Chrysler combined employ “millions” of people, and if they had gone bankrupt, the other automakers would have hired new people and picked up the slack.
But you tools just go on believing the fiction.
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
10:49 am
because one black celebrity represents all blacks, doncha know …
Sam’s not just any Black celebrity. He’s a muthaf&$%* Black celebrity.
Oscar
October 9th, 2012
10:50 am
I’ve seen car salesmen with a better shtick than this.
_________
Romney could never make it as a car salesman. Insult to the car salesman of the world to compare the two.
Ben Shockley
October 9th, 2012
10:50 am
“No, he is a moderate who passed himself off as a right wing extremist to get the nomination.”
Oh, so he out right-winged Newt and Herman Cain?
LMAO
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
10:50 am
Bozo, after 4 years of a compliant press and a crowd of sycophants that wouldn’t dare disagree with him, has finally come up against someone who will call him out. Narcissists don’t like to have someone disagree with them. Narcissists are always right. That big White House and the green helicopter have gotten to this guy in the worst way. Michelle enjoys the long vacations, Bozo enjoys the golf and the fawning media telling him that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread…… he just ignores the truth. He couldn’t lead ants to a picnic and most anyone who can recognize what a leader should be realizes this. And as far as this country being run by old white conservatives…… we ain’t through yet.
RF
October 9th, 2012
10:51 am
“and the left is now trying to portray him as a former right wing extremist trying to pass himself off as moderate.”
Well, that’s what he did to himself. He was a moderate while governor, but suddenly “saw the light” as the presidential campaigns neared. Hell, he didn’t even join the NRA until 2006. The liberals don’t have to paint anything- Mitt jumped into the bucket of paint head first and now wants to whitewash the whole thing as just a change of heart. YEAH, right. It’s like he’s got an identical twin- one of them is uber-conservative and the other’s moderate. Which one we’ll see next week, who knows?
Tundra Dude
October 9th, 2012
10:51 am
Mary Elizabeth:
Ben Shockley, and your lack of grace in a response tells me greatly of who you are – as well as what side of the American divide you fall into. The opposite of mine.
Just ignore the Shockjock. Dunno why he’s skipping conservative choir practice next door.
Was just thinking….conservatives ain’t what they used to be…….
This R writer stole my thunder:
Rogue Republican
(snipped)
But today’s Republican party is no longer my Republican party. Back in the day, the GOP was run by East Coast elite of well-educated, sophisticated internationalists who exercised America’s great power with restraint.
Alas, they have been replaced by rural politicians from the deep south and west with no knowledge of the outside world and no sense of history or culture. America’s closet fascist neocons write the GOP’s foreign policies.
http://lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis312.html
Ben Shockley
October 9th, 2012
10:52 am
Even used car salesmen have more intellect and integrity than community organizers.
Just sayin’…….
Oscar
October 9th, 2012
10:53 am
the other automakers would have hired new people and picked up the slack.
_______
Have to disagree on this. If GM and Chrysler had gone under, the parts suppliers would also have gone under. Ford would not have suppliers to furnish them parts for their cars and also would have gone under. Could not have made the cars.
Would have been millions when you consider all the suppliers, car workers, dealerships and sales people in the industry.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
10:53 am
O’bozo will perform no better in the next debates. He doesn’t have it in him. What he displayed last week was who he is, an empty suit.
It wasn’t all his fault, of course. His life has been one inconsequence after another. Surrounded by yes-men and women his whole life, he’s never been challenged. And for the past six years the MSM has behaved like 12 year old girls to O’bozo’s Justin Bieber.
He can’t be someone he’s not — a leader like the Mittster. That’s why O’bozo despises him so.
Ben Shockley
October 9th, 2012
10:53 am
“Ben Shockley, and your lack of grace in a response tells me greatly of who you are –”
You don’t seem to have any problem with the lefty bloggers who “lack grace.”
Irony can be so ironic…..
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
10:53 am
“Dude got elected governor of MASSACHUSETTS for chrissakes, and passed a government health care bill while governor, and the left is now trying to portray him as a former right wing extremist trying to pass himself off as moderate.”
wow. you really haven’t been paying attention, have you – he was for abortion before he was against it, he was for gay marriage before he was against it, he was for government mandated healthcare before he was against it (and is now for it again), — you name an issue, he has flip flopped on it.
RF
October 9th, 2012
10:53 am
“Oh, so he out right-winged Newt and Herman Cain?”
Puhleeease, like it was that hard to do. He had more money and a better personal reputation that either Gingrich or Cain. He didn’t have to “out right-wing” them, he just had to trot out an ex-wife and a couple of mistresses. How challenging was that?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
10:54 am
“Sam’s not just any Black celebrity. He’s a muthaf&$%* Black celebrity”
word.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
10:55 am
K71 — “Narcissists don’t like to have someone disagree with them. Narcissists are always right.”
“We’ve given you people all that we plan to release.”
–A Narcissist
Ben Shockley
October 9th, 2012
10:55 am
USinIK,
I already posted a brief, incomplete list of Obama’s lies and flipflops.
That koolaid is leaving a purple mustache on your upper lip.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
10:56 am
As opposed to Romney, who keeps jabbering about the military and foreign policy; two topics he knows nothing about.
And, Obama does? hahaha
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
10:57 am
Speaking of Pew polls (just some food for thought here):
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/survey-one-in-five-americans-is-religiously-unaffiliated/comment-page-33/
Washington (CNN) – The fastest growing “religious” group in America is made up of people with no religion at all, according to a Pew survey showing that one in five Americans is not affiliated with any religion.
The number of these Americans has grown by 25% just in the past five years, according to a survey released Tuesday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
The survey found that the ranks of the unaffiliated are growing even faster among younger Americans.
Thirty-three million Americans now have no religious affiliation, with 13 million in that group identifying as either atheist or agnostic, according to the new survey.
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
10:57 am
Mama – just pointing out that Norris is real ……. a five time full contact karate world champion. SLJ fight’s are all fiction. Chuck Norris has been supporting inner city youth with his time and money for years. That’s real. He lives his convictions through actions. SLJ’s reason for voting for Obama was bizarre but lacking in the full truth. He voted for Obama (if he voted at all) because he is in tune with Hollyweird’s views for our future in a European style socialist gub’ment world. That won’t keep from going to SLJ’s movies as long as they aren’t as awful as “Snakes On A Plane”. That was AWFUL.
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
10:57 am
Romney represents everything Bozo abhors. A white, successful, wealthy business man who is the product of a capitalistic society that believes in a free market economy, smaller government, budget restraints and less regulation. No wonder Bozo can’t stand him.
RF
October 9th, 2012
10:57 am
Go downstairs one level Ben, for a brief list on p. 11 of Romney’s flip-flops. They outnumber Obama considerably and have a lot more years on the shelf. Should I repost for you here?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
10:58 am
““Oh, so he out right-winged Newt and Herman Cain?””
he just had to remain on this side of the grass to beat Newt and Cain – fercryingoutloud – Cain imploded on his own and Newt’s string of infidelities (not to mention his general a-hole-ish demeanor) did him no favors
Jack in cumming
October 9th, 2012
10:58 am
I just hope the next debate is somewhere with less thin air. It’s obvious the altitude was a factor
RF
October 9th, 2012
10:59 am
“A white, successful, wealthy business man who is the product of a capitalistic society that believes in a free market economy, smaller government, budget restraints and less regulation.”
Helps that he had Big Daddy to fund his start in capitalistic society. It’s easy when you’re born to money and have parents who can loan you all you need. Silver spoons are not dispensed at every birth.
Tking
October 9th, 2012
11:00 am
Obviously, Mr. Romney should get a bounce from his strong (although dishonest) debate performance. However, this poll is quite flawed because it takes results right after the debate and compares them to some random point in September and then tries to recast the election picture as a whole. This election has had many events that have taken place since mid-september. Plus, who was polled was key. Thus, I do not understand why folks are focusing so much on this flawed poll. Again, more shiny objects. Is anyone really looking at these issues? Is anyone really delving into the substance. I will admit the President should be laying out a stonger defense of what he has done and should point us toward his vision of the future. However, Mr. Romney’s lack of specifics and flat out lying is the worst I have ever seen. He is a businessman trying to close the deal. This means he will say anything to get the sale. People, please look at these issues, this election is too important. Plus, it’s not just about the top of the ticket. The down ballot elections will say a lot more about where we are headed.
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
11:00 am
RF, 10:59,
Oh, the envy is palpable.
the cat
October 9th, 2012
11:01 am
Off topic-
sandusky 30 to 60 years. Not enough, needs to be castrated with a butter knife on top of an ant hill. We can only hope Bubba finds himself a new girlfriend.
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:02 am
Here are a few highlights of Romney’s flips and flops:
1. Healthcare: created the model for Obamacare, but now says he’ll repeal the whole act. But then said he’d repeal and replace it. With what, pray tell?
2. Pathway to citizenship: was for it, now adamantly against it.
3. Said he was independent during Reagan/Bush era and didn’t want to return to it. Now Reagan is one of his heroes.
4. Supported ban on assault weapons and Brady bill- now opposed to any gun legislation.
5. As governor of Mass., he opposed a constitutional amendment on marriage definition. Now supports it.
6. 1994- said he was more pro-choice than Kennedy in his failed senate bid. OMG if he dared say that now…
7. Publicly supported a woman’s right to choose while running for and serving as governor. Now….totally against it and would support personhood amendment.
The flip-flop on healthcare, after he spent years touting the law he helped craft in Massachusetts, ought to have gotten him booted off the platform back in Iowa, but he came out the best idiot in the room by NH. I’m not sure what it says when the best candidate your party can put forth would repeal a law modeled after the one he created as governor of a state.
East Lake Ira
October 9th, 2012
11:02 am
“I’m lying a lot more, and my lies are far more egregious than they’ve ever been,” a smiling Romney told reporters while sitting in the back of his campaign bus…. “The best part is, it’s really easy to lie,” said Romney, who added that voicing whatever untruths come into his mind at any given moment is an easy thing to do because all it requires is opening his mouth and talking. “For example, if someone accuses me of having a tax plan that makes no discernable sense, I just lie and say that I do have a tax plan that makes sense. I also say there is a study that backs up my plan. See that? Simple.
Snark with a ring of truthiness?
Jm
October 9th, 2012
11:03 am
I’ll take a southern democrat, like Bill Clinton, or a northern Republican, like Romney
But I cannot abide by a northern liberal (Obama).
Ugh. Awful. Yuck.
Fire him.
Adam
October 9th, 2012
11:03 am
DownInAlbany: As opposed to Romney, who keeps jabbering about the military and foreign policy; two topics he knows nothing about.
And, Obama does? hahaha
Ask Osama bin Laden
Thomas
October 9th, 2012
11:03 am
Usin or whatever the hell your name is- Clinton was labeled the “great compromiser”. Our leftist now ignorantly label this as flip flopping.
Everyone needs to get the bucket off their head as it is with intelligence that one realizes that 50% of the country (or world for that matter) at any given time are not dumb arses.
Adam
October 9th, 2012
11:03 am
Ben: I already posted a brief, incomplete list of Obama’s lies and flipflops.
“It’s ok if Romney lies because DEMMY DID IT TOO!”
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
11:04 am
DownInAlbany — “And, Obama does?”
Whether he does or not has no bearing whatsoever on Romney’s ignorance of those topics.
Oh, and hahahahaha.
bman
October 9th, 2012
11:05 am
“Helps that he had Big Daddy to fund his start in capitalistic society. It’s easy when you’re born to money and have parents who can loan you all you need.”
Of course it helps. But, it doesn’t guarantee success. New start-up companies burn through millions – even billions and fail.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
11:06 am
“The down ballot elections will say a lot more about where we are headed.”
Yeah, like 2010.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
11:07 am
“But I cannot abide by a northern liberal (Obama).”
Hawaii is “northern”??? Illinois is many things, but “northern” isn’t one of them.
wow. epic geography fail.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
11:08 am
“Morality” — “Mama – just pointing out that Norris is real …”
Irrelevant.
“. a five time full contact karate world champion. SLJ fight’s are all fiction.”
What does any of that have to do with whether you should be paying attention to what a given celebrity has to say about politics or not?
“Chuck Norris has been supporting inner city youth with his time and money for years. That’s real.”
And irrelevant to your argument.
“He lives his convictions through actions.”
So? What’s that got to do with what you said about SLJ?
“SLJ’s reason for voting for Obama was bizarre but lacking in the full truth. He voted for Obama (if he voted at all) because he is in tune with Hollyweird’s views for our future in a European style socialist gub’ment world.”
Even if he did, what’s it to you? And how does that make Norris’ views any less irrelevant?
“That won’t keep from going to SLJ’s movies as long as they aren’t as awful as “Snakes On A Plane”. That was AWFUL.”
I get it. You’re predicating your trust of Hollywood celebrities and their public political statements on whether or not you like their work and what they do in their private lives. In other words, you use the same value judgments as a teenybopper who LUVS Justin Bieber.
bullwinkle
October 9th, 2012
11:08 am
The real Mitt is on videotape: “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives,” he said of nearly half the country. The guy defines people’s character by their economic status. That’s all I’ll ever need to know about him.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
11:09 am
” Clinton was labeled the “great compromiser”. Our leftist now ignorantly label this as flip flopping.”
oh, my … the “great compromiser” had nothing to do with changing his position like he changes his socks (helllloooooooooo Romney)- it had to do with his willingness to work with the GOP.
I just find it funny that the GOP took Kerry to task for “I was for it before I was against it” – and yet turn a blind eye to the NUMEROUS cases of their current candidate doing the exact same thing.
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:12 am
“wow. epic geography fail.”
Don’t you know anything north of the Mason-Dixon line doesn’t exist in God’s country?? I know you’re in the UK, but surely you knew that!
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
11:12 am
To me the race of Samuel L. Jackson is irrelevant……. not the reason I quoted him. Saying he voted for someone because of their race is hypocritical of someone that accuses others of being racist. Do I think SLJ is racist – don’t know but his remarks were. Of all the reasons to vote for or against someone why would their race even be on the list? It’s like when people told me I had to vote for Jimmy Carter because he was from Georgia and Georgia had never had a native Georgian elected President before. Talk about a stupid reason to vote for someone.. just couldn’t pull the lever for Jimmy.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
11:14 am
“Don’t you know anything north of the Mason-Dixon line doesn’t exist in God’s country?”
if you tasted Chicago ribs, you might change your mind …
HOG Butcher for the World,
Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
Player with Railroads and the Nation’s Freight Handler;
Stormy, husky, brawling,
City of the Big Shoulders:
They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I
have seen your painted women under the gas lamps
luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it
is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to
kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the
faces of women and children I have seen the marks
of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who
sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer
and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing
so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on
job, here is a tall bold slugger set vivid against the
little soft cities;
Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning
as a savage pitted against the wilderness,
Bareheaded,
Shoveling,
Wrecking,
Planning,
Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with
white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young
man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has
never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse.
and under his ribs the heart of the people,
Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of
Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog
Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with
Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.
b-troll
October 9th, 2012
11:15 am
eat it sandusky
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
11:15 am
the left is now trying to portray him as a former right wing extremist trying to pass himself off as moderate.
Nah, Romney’s doing that all on his own…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgfzknYd20
Mitt Romney, 10/3/12: I will not reduce the taxes paid by high income Americans.
Mitt Romney, 2/22/12: There were so many misrepresentations in there it’s going to take me a little while. Number one, I said today that we’re going to cut taxes on everyone across the country by twenty percent—including the top one percent.
………………………
Mitt Romney, 10/3/12: The key to great schools? Great teachers. So I reject the idea that I don’t believe in great teachers or more teachers.
Mitt Romney, 6/8/12: He says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government.
………………………
Mitt Romney, 10/3/12: Actually, it’s a lengthy description, but number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan.
Mitt Romney, 3/27/12: If they’re 45 years old and they show up and they say I want insurance because I’ve got heart disease, it’s like: “Hey guys, we can’t play the game like that.” You’ve got to get insurance when you’re well, and then if you get ill, then you’re going to be covered.
Krystal'sBalls
October 9th, 2012
11:15 am
(Oh how I LOVE to do stuff like this *snicker*) Hey @Morality!!
Here is why Samuel L.Jackson and his “shctick”-like comment is so absurdly relevant:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/samuel-l-jackson-highest-grossing-actor-guinness-book-world-records-254155
I just thought I’d toss it out there, since you tried to diminish him by elevating Norris’s “KARATAY” and stunt skills. Laughable. There IS NO comparison.
Repeat… HIGHEST!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 9th, 2012
11:16 am
One of the more remarkable things about Mitt Romney was that he was a one term Governor and re bought all of the government hard drives used during his one term. Why, one wonders? It’s things like that that get my “Danger, danger, Will Robinson” meter going all twitchy.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
11:17 am
“Morality” — “To me the race of Samuel L. Jackson is irrelevant……. not the reason I quoted him. Saying he voted for someone because of their race is hypocritical of someone that accuses others of being racist.”
And it’s no less racist a thing than saying ‘well, this is why pretty much every OTHER black person voted for Obama.’
Yeah, Jackson had a stupid reason, if that’s actually why he did it (and that wasn’t just him joking around). But Jackson doesn’t speak for all black Americans any more than Obama or Oprah does.
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
11:17 am
Jackson is an angry man. He seems to be carrying around a chip on his shoulder and is daring someone to knock it off. There are a lot of Samuel L. Jacksons out there.
Jack in cumming
October 9th, 2012
11:18 am
At least unemplyment is dropping. If people keep leaving the workforce it can drop further!
Jm
October 9th, 2012
11:18 am
Usinuk – so incredibly weak
Northern liberal is a mindset. Nand Chicago still qualifies.
Strictly speaking, Romney isn’t a northerner either based on his roots.
As always, anything other than Homer Simpson quality commentary blows right over your head
Man you are dense
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
11:18 am
K. Balls — “I just thought I’d toss it out there, since you tried to diminish him by elevating Norris’s “KARATAY” and stunt skills.”
We should also observe that Bruce Lee kicked Chuck Norris’ azz.
paulo977
October 9th, 2012
11:18 am
USinUK …”“sausage fingers” is one thing … but I’m struggling to figure out why he’s flinging Clinton quotes at me”
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Could it be because he cannot forgive what Bush did to the SURPLUS Bill gave him???
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
11:19 am
K71 — “Jackson is an angry man. He seems to be carrying around a chip on his shoulder and is daring someone to knock it off. There are a lot of Samuel L. Jacksons out there.”
Physician, heal thyself.
Adam
October 9th, 2012
11:19 am
Want to know what Romney’s policies are? Just go to http://www.roboromney.com/ and enter in your preferred position on key issues. The site will generate a video for you that agrees with whatever your positions are completely.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
11:20 am
Mitt Romney:
The attacks against us in Libya were not an isolated incident. They were accompanied by anti-American riots in nearly two dozen other countries, mostly in the Middle East, but also in Africa and Asia. Our embassies have been attacked. Our flag has been burned. Many of our citizens have been threatened and driven from their overseas homes by vicious mobs, shouting ‘Death to America.’
—
So according to Mitt Romney, the only problem in the Middle East is the fact that there are expressions of disrespect towards America there.
Wow.
Obviously the only reason the Middle East exists is to worship the glory of the United States of America.
This is the level of our political discourse eleven years after 9/11.
And we wonder why they blew up the towers.
Adam
October 9th, 2012
11:20 am
At least unemployment is dropping. If people keep leaving the workforce it can drop further!
On key statistic of last month’s jobs report is that MORE PEOPLE JOINED the workforce.
bman
October 9th, 2012
11:22 am
The V.P. debate is Thursday. It might play a much larger role than so-called experts believe…
Mormon missionaries taught NOT to tell the truth
October 9th, 2012
11:23 am
This might be where Romney learned his fast talking lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3I6t3VodO4
Adam
October 9th, 2012
11:23 am
Also, if you dont’ like the polls, you can adjust the samples to make yourself feel better here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/pollmanipulator.html
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:23 am
“if you tasted Chicago ribs, you might change your mind …”
Oh but I have, and they’re delish!! I actually haven’t had ribs anywhere that I didn’t like. Not as fond of the vinegar-based Carolina sauce, but it ain’t bad on the side. Memphis is still my favorite, geography not considered.
Road Scholar
October 9th, 2012
11:23 am
East Lake Ira: Do you have that on tape/video?
Mick
October 9th, 2012
11:24 am
Funny how the cons truly hate and despise obama while the dems just really don’t want romney because of his policies and more tax cuts for the wealthy. Ben, yaker and mighty are nowhere people who get fired up on their hate..
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
11:24 am
I guess the liar meme wasn’t working so the lib ilks are going to the flip-flopper theme. Surely something will stick.
47%! Robber baron! Silver spoon! Bain! Etc.!
That kind of stuff was working until last week when America saw for themselves what a leader the Mittster is and the empty suit that is O’bozo.
DownInAlbany
October 9th, 2012
11:26 am
Joe Hussein Mama: Whether he does or not has no bearing whatsoever on Romney’s ignorance of those topics. Soooo, what’s your point in even bringing it up?
Oh, by the way, Obama was quoted this morning saying, “Al Qaeda is on it’s heels” Now, do you want to discuss who is out of touch?
Or what about this subject, “Obama.com owned by Shanghai bundler with connections to the Chinese government.”
Would you like to discuss those issues? Naw, didn’t think so…
Adam
October 9th, 2012
11:27 am
DownInAlbany: Would you like to discuss those issues? Naw, didn’t think so…
Shorter DIA: JHM HAS ME! QUICK, CHANGE THE SUBJECT!
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:28 am
“I guess the liar meme wasn’t working so the lib ilks are going to the flip-flopper theme. Surely something will stick.”
Sticks pretty well. Romney 6.0 is yet another attempt to shed his past…but it ain’t working. You can erase the Etch-A-Sketch, but people do have memories and videotape. Kinda hard to accept the truth, but that doesn’t make it go away because he said something new and better.
Morality?
October 9th, 2012
11:28 am
Mama – No you don’t “get it”. 1st of all you brought up Chuck Norris – not me. I don’t vote for anyone based on a celebrities opinion. I am just saying that in the real world (outside of Hollyweird) Norris has achieved success and has actively helped inner city youth with his time and money for years. It doesn’t have anything at all to do with why SLJ voted (maybe) for Obama. You brought up Chuck Norris – not me. Just defending his right to his opinion. I know SLJ is left of mainstream and Chuck is right of mainstream Hollyweird. Took guts to speak out when being black balled
Adam
October 9th, 2012
11:30 am
Shake that Etch-A-Sketch REAL HARD
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
11:30 am
“Funny how the cons truly hate and despise obama”
No, just his euro-socialist policies.
But you knew that.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
11:30 am
Sandwich: “That kind of stuff was working until last week when America saw for themselves what a leader the Mittster is and the empty suit that is O’bozo.”
Quick, tell me: did you support Mitt Romney from the get go, over Gingrich and Perry?
Adam
October 9th, 2012
11:30 am
No, just his euro-socialist policies.
Oh? Please name them.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
11:31 am
Sandwich: “No, just his euro-socialist policies.”
Seriously, your intelligence level is no higher than that?
Wow, that’s 3rd grade stuff. If that.
Mick
October 9th, 2012
11:32 am
sink
Glad you’re here, can you give me an example of obama apologizing for america? Since you make the charge…