David Siegel and the billionaire’s sad lament

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The man above is David Siegel, owner of Westgate Resorts, allegedly the largest time-share company in the world, with his wife Jackie. After a financial setback during the recession, Siegel now brags that “we’re the most profitable we’ve ever been.” He and Jackie have resumed construction on a 90,000-square-foot home, called Versailles, that they are building in Florida. If and when it is completed, it will be the largest private home in the country.

According to the Wall Street Journal, when completed Versailles will boast “13 bedrooms, 23 full bathrooms, a 6,000-square-foot master suite (with plans in place for a bed on a rotating platform), a banquet kitchen plus 10 satellite kitchens, a 20-car garage, three pools, a two-story wine cellar and a grand hall with a 30-foot stained glass dome.”

With that background established, this is the email that Siegel sent to his employees yesterday:

Subject: Message from David Siegel
Date:Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: [David Siegel]
To: [All employees]

To All My Valued Employees,

As most of you know our company, Westgate Resorts, has continued to succeed in spite of a very dismal economy. There is no question that the economy has changed for the worse and we have not seen any improvement over the past four years. In spite of all of the challenges we have faced, the good news is this: The economy doesn’t currently pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can’t tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn’t interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.

However, let me share a few facts that might help you decide what is in your best interest. The current administration and members of the press have perpetuated an environment that casts employers against employees. They want you to believe that we live in a class system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. They label us the “1%” and imply that we are somehow immune to the challenges that face our country. This could not be further from the truth. Sure, you may have heard about the big home that I’m building. I’m sure many people think that I live a privileged life. However, what you don’t see or hear is the true story behind any success that I have achieved.

I started this company over 42 years ago. At that time, I lived in a very modest home. I converted my garage into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you. We didn’t eat in fancy restaurants or take expensive vacations because every dollar I made went back into this company. I drove an old used car, and often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business — hard work, discipline, and sacrifice. Meanwhile, many of my friends got regular jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a nice income, and they spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into this business —-with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford to buy whatever I wanted. Even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company. Over the past four years I have had to stop building my dream house, cut back on all of my expenses, and take my kids out of private schools simply to keep this company strong and to keep you employed.

Just think about this – most of you arrive at work in the morning and leave that afternoon and the rest of your time is yours to do as you please. But not me- there is no “off” button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have that freedom. I eat, live, and breathe this company every minute of the day, every day of the week. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. I know many of you work hard and do a great job, but I’m the one who has to sign every check, pay every expense, and make sure that this company continues to succeed. Unfortunately, what most people see is the nice house and the lavish lifestyle. What the press certainly does not want you to see, is the true story of the hard work and sacrifices I’ve made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and people like me who made all the right decisions and invested in themselves are being forced to bail out all the people who didn’t. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed 42 years of my life for. Yes, business ownership has its benefits, but the price I’ve paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the costs of running a business have gotten out of control, and let me tell you why: We are being taxed to death and the government thinks we don’t pay enough. We pay state taxes, federal taxes, property taxes, sales and use taxes, payroll taxes, workers compensation taxes and unemployment taxes. I even have to hire an entire department to manage all these taxes. The question I have is this: Who is really stimulating the economy? Is it the Government that wants to take money from those who have earned it and give it to those who have not, or is it people like me who built a company out of his garage and directly employs over 7000 people and hosts over 3 million people per year with a great vacation?

Obviously, our present government believes that taking my money is the right economic stimulus for this country. The fact is, if I deducted 50% of your paycheck you’d quit and you wouldn’t work here. I mean, why should you? Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, that’s what happens to me.

Here is what most people don’t understand and the press and our Government has chosen to ignore – to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Instead of raising my taxes and depositing that money into the Washington black-hole, let me spend it on growing the company, hire more employees, and generate substantial economic growth. My employees will enjoy the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But that is not what our current Government wants you to believe. They want you to believe that it somehow makes sense to take more from those who create wealth and give it to those who do not, and somehow our economy will improve. They don’t want you to know that the “1%”, as they like to label us, pay more than 31% of all the taxes in this country. Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, “democracy” will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate business, not kill it. However, the power brokers in Washington believe redistributing wealth is the essential driver of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change they want.

So where am I going with all this? It’s quite simple. If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company. Rather than grow this company I will be forced to cut back. This means fewer jobs, less benefits and certainly less opportunity for everyone.

So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn’t? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the “1 percenters” are bad, I’m telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won’t be at the hands of the “1%”; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Signed, your boss,

David Siegel

The email does raise an interesting question or two, such as, if it’s true that “even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company,” where did all the money for that house come from? And if he made all the right decisions, why did he come so close to bankruptcy? Why does he blame government for the fact that he had to pull his eight kids out of private school? If he couldn’t support a family that large, why did he keep having children?

Under ordinary circumstances, I also wouldn’t think it necessary to pity poor Mr. Siegel. After all, he would seem to have more than enough pity for himself to fill all three swimming pools at Versailles, allowing him to wallow in that emotion to his heart’s content. But clearly, this is a man completely unfamiliar with the concept of “more than enough.” Judging from his email, the poor unappreciated soul wants and needs more pity still; he is a victim, you see, treated shabbily and unfairly, and he’s not going to take any more of it, by golly.

Attention, attention must finally be paid to such a person.

– Jay Bookman

636 comments Add your comment

#1 Foxy Lady

October 9th, 2012
4:37 pm

i’ve been outed! blimey!

kitty

October 9th, 2012
4:42 pm

I don’t know about you, Jay. I can hear the world’s smallest violin playing a lament for the poor rich boob…and his trophy wife who wouldn’t be there without the money.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 9th, 2012
4:50 pm

That’s his third wife.

Wonder what she sees in him?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
4:51 pm

oh, okay – I’ll just get this out of the way:

wealth envy

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
4:51 pm

GG – well, it’s clear what he sees in her …

Brad Steel

October 9th, 2012
4:51 pm

He should get together with Leon Cooperman in a winner-take-all snivel off. If out of bread, he winner could ironically eat cake at Versailles.

These narcissistic supermen should get together on that tropical island cite Ayn Rand and start their own master race. Certainly, us minions have no hope of ever have the genetic make-up or ambition to have the suitable offspring for that dream.

JamVet

October 9th, 2012
4:53 pm

Look at the roll of blubber around that guy’s middle!

He’s not long for the oxygen habit.

Too funny.

Yet he thinks he is rich…

BRW

October 9th, 2012
4:53 pm

Fatt A$$Hat. This is one company Bain should have dumped on.

Jay

October 9th, 2012
4:54 pm

I do feel pity a lot more than envy, USinUK. Not only would I not want to live in a 23-bedroom house, I wouldn’t want to be the type of person who needs a 23-bedroom house in the first place. You’d have to put a gun to my head to make me trade places.

Rightwing Troll

October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm

And if Romney is elected, the poor old fool actually seems to believe something will change…

Bless his heart..

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm

That’s a trophy wife?

I see he didn’t come in …first.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm

“But not me- there is no “off” button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have that freedom. I eat, live, and breathe this company every minute of the day, every day of the week. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. I know many of you work hard and do a great job, but I’m the one who has to sign every check, pay every expense, and make sure that this company continues to succeed. ”

what an effing wanker. my £££ is on his employees working beyond 9-5 and doing extra work on the weekend -

DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)

October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

I smell a lawsuit!!! Oh MAN!! If ONLY I knew someone who worked for him — I’d give the number of the best litigator in Florida and would even work for FREE on his legal team just to screw this guy! Oh, woe is me!!

On a positive note — I’ve had a time share with this guy for years! Bought mine originally in Disney World about 10 years ago, got a great deal, and every time I travel, (not so much lately), I have an already booked, 3 bedroom condo waiting for me.

Sometimes, if you book early enough, you can get the limo to drive you from the airport. (Extra cost) :)

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm

Most of his employees are in Florida I would bet.

Given the 2000 election things like this can add up.

Jay

October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm

A former Miss Universe, Granny G.

Alan Ramsey

October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm

Please retire, go to that Caribbean island, and stay there. Your employees will thank you. Hopefully a coconut will hit you on the head and WE won’t have to worry about YOU anymore.

Truth

October 9th, 2012
4:56 pm

The man worked hard and took risks… Good for him. I should have done the same thing.

Union

October 9th, 2012
4:56 pm

still trying to figure out if those are real?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
4:56 pm

Jay – 4:54 – a 23-bedroom house is the new sports car … “compensating”, if you know what I mean (and I think that you do)

DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)

October 9th, 2012
4:57 pm

That should be screw him OVER – i n a bad way, NOT a good way

Jeesh — I’m hungry and cranky; I’d better start packing up and heading out.

Later gators!

(getalife — NOT florida gators, just GATORS…….don’t want you having a flash back or anything…..)

Jay

October 9th, 2012
4:58 pm

Yes, Truth. All of his successes are his own, all his failings are someone else’s fault.

larry

October 9th, 2012
4:58 pm

He is a victim , pure and simple. I wonder how much he gave to his buddy’s , Mr. Romney’s campaign.

I wonder if he was in attendence in that 47% speech that Mr. Romney gave so easily. Without cheat sheets no less.

SoGaVet

October 9th, 2012
4:58 pm

What he’s really saying is, “I’ll actually get a huge pay increase because of all the taxes I won’t have to pay, if Romney gets elected.”

I’d say he lives in an alternate reality – from the rest of us, not from Mitt.

Thulsa Doom

October 9th, 2012
4:59 pm

Respect Saban! That means you getalife. Do it NOW!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 9th, 2012
4:59 pm

Jay

Which planet did she represent in the pageant I wonder….

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
5:00 pm

“Yes, Truth. All of his successes are his own, all his failings are someone else’s fault.”

heads I win, tails you lose … it’s the GOP playbook

USMC

October 9th, 2012
5:00 pm

“David Siegel and the billionaire’s sad lament”–JAY BOOKMAN

Poor Jay Bookman continues with his WEALTH ENVY Socialist diatribe against successful Americans.

And while this rich guy might be a jackass and everything else under the sun, he is entitled to do whatever he wants with his money and company WITHOUT your Socialist input.

Get over your envy, Jay. Don’t be petty, it doesn’t wear well on you. :-)

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

October 9th, 2012
5:01 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D12pPY8SuHc

A documentary they are doing on this clown.

Gravy Train

October 9th, 2012
5:01 pm

Uh, look at this clown’s ginormous gut! He certainly hasn’t cut back on food expenses. He needs to unleash his work ethic in the gym. This letter is a direct threat to his employees. A great lawyer should smell the law suit from this letter. I hope Dave has a retainer…

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
5:01 pm

hahahahaha … USMC – so predictable

DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)

October 9th, 2012
5:02 pm

That’s a trophy wife?

I see he didn’t come in …first

Meow! Granny! Bad Granny Bad. Bad. BAD!!!

Liberal Pariah

October 9th, 2012
5:02 pm

Jay says: If he couldn’t support a family that large, why did he keep having children? That just cracks me up.
I have that same question as a Conservative, only to people that truly can’t afford it.

Zebra

October 9th, 2012
5:02 pm

There was a movie about her and conspicuous consumption at Sundance called The Queen of Versailles. Her name is Jackie.

larry

October 9th, 2012
5:05 pm

I wonder how much he’s paying his ex-wives.

Towncrier

October 9th, 2012
5:05 pm

“He and Jackie have resumed construction on a 90,000-square-foot home, called Versailles, that they are building in Florida, which will be the largest private home in the country. ”

Wow…that is just insane selfishness. He should read the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Ironically, he is not helping Romney’s cause very much.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
5:05 pm

“I have that same question as a Conservative, only to people that truly can’t afford it.”

um. yeah. that’s the point – he should walk the walk, think you not?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 9th, 2012
5:06 pm

Never seen a giant douche with a giant house before.

DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)

October 9th, 2012
5:06 pm

And while this rich guy might be a jackass and everything else under the sun, he is entitled to do whatever he wants with his money and company WITHOUT your Socialist input.

WRONG – he basically THREATENED his employees with that spiel about “My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities.” He obviously did NOT consult a lawyer before he sent that out!!

It’s against the law, LABOR LAW, to threaten an employee by intimating that their job may/may not be lost because of how they vote.

Man! I hope one of his employees is on this blog — go IMMEDIATELY to a lawyer, say you feel THREATENED and COERCED into doing as your boss implies in his email.

Oh and I’m out! Later gators!

Unbelievably out of touch and delusional

October 9th, 2012
5:06 pm

Obama thought he won his debate.

Mittmentum on a roll.

Obama, out of touch.

larry

October 9th, 2012
5:07 pm

He and Jackie have resumed construction on a 90,000-square-foot home, called Versailles, that they are building in Florida, which will be the largest private home in the country. ”

Wouldn’t it be something if he had to call the law because he got lost.
In his own home.

USMC

October 9th, 2012
5:08 pm

David Siegel Email To Workers Threatens Layoffs If Obama Is Reelected
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/david-siegel-email_n_1951801.html

So basically, Jay gets paid to regurgitate the Party Line and Copy and paste from the Huffington ComPost. What a great gig. Good for you Jay. We note your bluster. :-)

larry

October 9th, 2012
5:09 pm

Mittmentum on a roll.

No thanks , i tried that once and i didnt like the way it tasted.

Jm

October 9th, 2012
5:09 pm

” if it’s true that “even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company,” where did all the money for that house come from? And if he made all the right decisions, why did he come so close to bankruptcy?”

One word answer to both questions: debt

Simple answers to somewhat dumb questions

nelson

October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm

That letter made absolutely perfect sense. He laid it all out, self sacrifice, success oriented, driven to succeed. David Siegel put it as good as it could be put.
I knew Jay would not agree with him. Mr Siegel was goal oriented. Now, for some reason, that is out of style. Self sacrifice to make a better life later on is the way. No question. And as far as having a mega home, it is a reward. Warren Buffett lives in a house he bought in 1956 for something like $40,000, his goal is simply to make more money. That is what the U.S. is about and helping someone in need.

Brad Steel

October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm

USMC, as a parrot, do you type with your beak?

Rightwing Troll

October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm

Subtext:

I won’t force you to vote for Mittens, but if you don’t, you won’t have a job much longer…

And I’d bet his employees have no idea that the economy is getting better, since he is building a 23 room mansion instead of compensating folks who probably weathered W’s financial storm with him…

josef

October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm

Don’t know why, but for some reason this comes to mind…it may be the brioche

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaTuguQYJaA

“The ghost of revolution
Still prowls the Paris streets
Down all the restless centuries
It wonders incomplete
It speaks inside the cheap red wine
Of cafe summer nights
Its red and amber voices
Call the cars at traffic lights

Why do you wait
To see the day begin
Your time is wasting in the wind
Wondering why
Wondering why, it echoes
Through the lonely palace of Versailles”

–Al Stewart

Mary Elizabeth

October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm

“Business is at the heart of America and always has been.”
————————————————–

No, business is not what has always been at the heart of America.

Compare David Siegel’s consciousness with that of Washington, Jefferson, Adams to see clearly the differences in perceptions of America. Washington and Jefferson both lost a great deal of their personal wealth in their service to our nation. They felt a sense of duty to others and they had a vision of what this nation was to be about, and to stand for, into the future that meant more to them than making money or even losing much their inherited wealth in the process of making America what is was to be. Business was not at the heart of their America. Liberty and equality was.

(And please don’t tell me that Washington and Jefferson were wealthy landowners with slaves. I know that already. I am talking about the core of these men’s beings and the core of what they perceived America to be.)

And now we have the likes of Siegel telling us what has always been at the heart of America. The sad thing is that so many Americans have bought into that limited perception.

Liberal Pariah

October 9th, 2012
5:11 pm

This is a perfect illustration of the divide in this country that is problematic for whoever is President. One side sees a problem with the man’s success and how he handles it and the other sees someone whose hard work resulted in success and does not begrudge him for it. Sad state of affairs it is.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
5:11 pm

” Copy and paste from the Huffington ComPost”

says the guy who copies and pastes from Breitbart repeatedly every. single. day.

Union

October 9th, 2012
5:11 pm

http://youtu.be/U0QBD6CXgdo

someone the rest of the folks can relate to.. dont want anyone feeling left out.

Liberal Pariah

October 9th, 2012
5:12 pm

If Liberty is what this country is about, then Obama is definitely not your man.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
5:12 pm

“One side sees a problem with the man’s success and how he handles it ”

did the point make a whooshing sound as it went over your head?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 9th, 2012
5:13 pm

Clearly, Mr. Siegel didn’t run his missive by either his HR department or his legal team before sending it out.

If he had, IMO they’d have said OMFGNO.

Debbie is correct — this could be taken as prima facie evidence of a hostile work environment based on employees’ political choices.

Liberal Pariah

October 9th, 2012
5:14 pm

I liked it better when your name included the word Uterus and Thug.

Liberal Pariah

October 9th, 2012
5:15 pm

It’s obvious the guy has enough money to handle the inevitable lawsuit his letter will generate. Not the smartest move.

Simple Truths

October 9th, 2012
5:16 pm

I bet Jackie needs some after market modifications to stay current. That costs money!

getalife

October 9th, 2012
5:16 pm

I saw that earlier and laughed.

He opened himself for discrimination lawsuits and his business is a scam.

Miss Understood

October 9th, 2012
5:17 pm

I liked it better when your name included the word Uterus and Thug.

Don’t be discouraged, at least the PARIAH part of your name fits you to a “tee”.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
5:17 pm

“If he had, IMO they’d have said OMFGNO.”

more like “are you effing HIGH???!!!”

josef

October 9th, 2012
5:18 pm

Nouveaux riches…tacky, tacky, tacky,,,

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 9th, 2012
5:18 pm

“I liked it better when your name included the word Uterus and Thug.”

duly noted.

Liberal Pariah

October 9th, 2012
5:18 pm

Pariah is perfect because Liberals hate my superior intellect and reasoning as I expose their corrupt Humanistic Worldview.

Welcome to the Occupation

October 9th, 2012
5:18 pm

Wow, what’s bigger, the pot belly of hubby or wifey’s fake cans?

Miss Understood

October 9th, 2012
5:19 pm

t’s obvious the guy has enough money to handle the inevitable lawsuit his letter will generate. Not the smartest move

One lawsuit — probably. About 200+? Or even worse a Class Action Lawsuit? Say goodbye Earl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw7gNf_9njs

Jay

October 9th, 2012
5:20 pm

“Debbie is correct — this could be taken as prima facie evidence of a hostile work environment based on employees’ political choices.

David Siegel on his role in the 2000 election in Florida:

“Whenever I saw a negative article about [Al] Gore, I put it in with the paychecks of my 8,000 employees. I had my managers do a survey on every employee. If they liked Bush, we made them register to vote. But not if they liked Gore. The week before [the election] we made 80,000 phone calls through my call center—they were robo-calls. On Election Day, we made sure everyone who was voting for Bush got to the polls. I didn’t know he would win by 527 votes. Afterward, we did a survey among the employees to find out who voted who wouldn’t have otherwise. One thousand of them said so.”

dbm

October 9th, 2012
5:20 pm

I don’t read this as being about pity. I read it as being about: What is our best strategy for getting something out of him that will benefit us?

If he is pushed into retirement, I certainly wouldn’t pity his economic circumstances, but I might pity his being forced away from productive work.

Jm

October 9th, 2012
5:20 pm

Work hard, reap the benefits, such as you choose.

Maybe Libs can learn something but I doubt it.

I wouldn’t spend my money that way, but this is America. He can spend it however he likes as far as I’m concerned.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 9th, 2012
5:21 pm

USinUK — “more like “are you effing HIGH???!!!”

My wife is an HR professional and has spent much of the last 10 years working with administrative and legal matters surrounding employees — including things like workers’ comp, wrongful termination suits and challenging UI claims (when the employees in question had been terminated for cause). I have no doubt she’s going to get a huge kick out of Mr. Siegel’s e-mail message.

From what she tells me, it’s usually the employees who make the really dumbfark moves, but when *employers* do it, the stakes and consequences get larger.

Simple Truths

October 9th, 2012
5:21 pm

Welcome to the Occupation @ 5:18: You have size envy?

dbm

October 9th, 2012
5:22 pm

Sorry for the triple posting. Computer glitch. Jay, can you take a couple of them off?

Mary Elizabeth

October 9th, 2012
5:22 pm

“If Liberty is what this country is about, then Obama is definitely not your man.”
================================

To the contrary, Obama is the person of choice if you value liberty. Ordinary Americans will not be well served under Romney. Romney will look after the upper 1% of this nation – that is hardly liberty for the remainlng 99%. Giving old people vouchers for Medicare is only one small example of how the American public will be squashed under Romney. If you value liberty and equality for the majority of the people of this nation, you will be wise to vote for Obama.

Union

October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm

Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:13 pm

Clearly, Mr. Siegel didn’t run his missive by either his HR department or his legal team before sending it out.

If he had, IMO they’d have said OMFGNO.

Debbie is correct — this could be taken as prima facie evidence of a hostile work environment based on employees’ political choices.

youve never seen any of the memos coming from the union shops to members telling them how to vote have you? they take dues.. yet they dont employ their members.. yet threaten them with job loss.. “Que the feigned liberal outrage”

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm

Well, I must of made Bad Choices and never took Personal Responsibility. And that’s why I’ve got the trailer and the missus, while this guy’s got this huge-azz mansion and his third hot babe.

But I want to have a mansion and a hot babe some day—provided the missus passes on to her Eternal Reward first and don’t kill me like some roach she stomps on. And that’s why I’m voting for Romney. See, this Trickle Down thing starts with the big shots and then passes down to the little people. I figure sooner or later I’ll become the Trick-ler and not the Trick-lee. Besides, there’s only so many hot babes that old dude can handle. We’ll never get Trickle Down with Obama, but we might could get it with Romney.

And that ties in with the topic from downstairs. Maybe that Taliban that shot the girl went to America first and saw how women here sass and do anything in the kitchen for their men, like baking cakes and pies. It would be a real pity if I got a mansion sooner or later and asked the hot babe to peel me a grape and she told me to go F___ myself.

Have a good night everybody.

indigo

October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm

It’s hard to know which is the most contemptable, this filthy rich man poor-mouthing to his employees and threating layoffs or his gold-digging wife who wouldn’t give him the time of day if he was a middle-class wage earner.

Don't Forget

October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm

If only the middle class had been more responsible and not taken fancy vacations, they wouldn’t need government help and this DB’s financial worth would be in line with his worth as a person. Except of course for that period when W told us that spending money was patriotic.

iRun

October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm

Wealth envy, USMC, really?

Because I distinctly read Jay saying he wouldn’t trade places with him for the world.

And neither would I.

I grew up in “old money”. In a fairly large old house. And other moldering artifacts.

I am certainly upper middle class now, and I quite like it. I like how we use every room in our house. I like how, though we hire a house cleaner (not the same as a house keeper), I could clean it by myself in half a day. I like how all my extra money can go to worthy causes.

Such as Docters Without Borders, or Planned Parenthood, or WABE 90.1, or the American Burn Association, or Komen (MIL had breast cancer), or the PTA, or the bum on the street in L5P by the liquor store selling roses out of a bucket.

Never in this world would I want a 90000 sqft house, or that many cars, or that many pools.

Such a waste.

Change your Wealth Envy accusation to an accusation of puritanism, if you will, but I do not at all envy this man.

On topic: Even implied coercion is vulnerable to prosecution. And, clearly, he was not warned of this beforehand.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 9th, 2012
5:24 pm

Jm — “Maybe Libs can learn something but I doubt it.”

No thanks. I have no aspirations to become a bullying gasbaggy jackazz like Mr. Siegel.

josef

October 9th, 2012
5:25 pm

Well, I know a lot of folks like to talk about white trash…here it is in all it’s glory, imeoiauo

iRun

October 9th, 2012
5:26 pm

Also, he should have worn a looser shirt. We all get old and, with it, our bodies do not stay firm.

But, dude, nothing you wear should stretch tightly across your stomach like that. You certainly have enough money to afford a tailored shirt.

As for the wife, I will not comment other than to say she is striking a pose that reminds me of a defiant warrior princess on the cover of a romance novel. Except she is sitting in an old man’s lap. This causes confusion for me.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 9th, 2012
5:26 pm

Union — “youve never seen any of the memos coming from the union shops to members telling them how to vote have you?”

Read carefully — employers aren’t allowed to intimidate their employees based on their non-work activities.

How terrible for you.

Don't Forget

October 9th, 2012
5:27 pm

Nothing says “hard working entrepreneur” like sitting on a throne.

Joe The Plumber Too

October 9th, 2012
5:28 pm

Much respect to this gentleman. I feel the same way, my employees head home after the work day but mine never ends. If barry is re-elected and the obamacare mess kicks in next year, I will be dropping the insurance on all my employees and just pay the fine. It will be cheaper in the long run. Had a conversation with a young man today who has been at my company for about 8 months about that, he was under the mistaken impression that it “his” job came with insurance no matter what. After he was informed that the job he called his was “mine” and he was only hired to do my job and that insurance was a luxury that would be trimmed if need be, he decided to play his trump card and threaten to quit if he lost insurance, I saved him the trouble. I guess there will be one more number added to the unemployed that barry can have his minions fudge next week.

dbm

October 9th, 2012
5:28 pm

Jay

October 9th, 2012
4:54 pm

While I would really rather not bother with a 23-bedroom house, I wouldn’t be too upset if I had to live in one, especially if there was money to hire some help.

Why do you assume he “needs” a 23-bedroom house? Do you “need” everything you have, or would you be OK with less, even if it wasn’t as good as more?

Jm

October 9th, 2012
5:29 pm

Jhm

Wrong lesson, predictably

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 9th, 2012
5:29 pm

I sat through about 4 hours of one of their sales pitches once for $100. By the time it was over I was almost ready to give then $200 to get out.

josef

October 9th, 2012
5:30 pm

iRUN

Good to see you. Where you been? So, are you a plantation liberal, too? :-)

Union

October 9th, 2012
5:30 pm

Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:26 pm

Read carefully — employers aren’t allowed to intimidate their employees based on their non-work activities.

How terrible for you.

@jhm.. umm.. yes they can… obviously you have always been on the employee side of the table..

Doggone/GA

October 9th, 2012
5:32 pm

““13 bedrooms, 23 full bathrooms, a 6,000-square-foot master suite (with plans in place for a bed on a rotating platform), a banquet kitchen plus 10 satellite kitchens, a 20-car garage, three pools, a two-story wine cellar and a grand hall with a 30-foot stained glass dome.””

In reading through the comments it’s amazing how many people can’t even refer back to what Jay posted…including JAY!

“Not only would I not want to live in a 23-bedroom house” – BATHROOMS, not bedrooms. And I have NEVER heard of having almost twice as many bathrooms as bedrooms. 13 bedrooms and 23 bathtooms!

” 23 room mansion ” – not rooms, BATHROOMS!

Clearly I don’t belong in that “class” of people since I can’t see the need for 23 bathrooms in a tiny little house that ONLY has 13 bedrooms!

Miss Understood

October 9th, 2012
5:32 pm

youve never seen any of the memos coming from the union shops to members telling them how to vote have you? they take dues.. yet they dont employ their members.. yet threaten them with job loss.. “Que the feigned liberal outrage

Unions don’t employ anyone, hence they can’t FIRE anyone. Even those who “work” for the Union do so merely as a function of volunteering. Let me clarify:

A person can have a job as a secretary for a PAC that belongs to the union; however that person does NOT work for the Union.

As to Membership: Union membership is entirely voluntary – when a group of workers elect to form a union, it doesn’t mean that everyone must sign up. The union negotiates on behalf of all the workers in the group – and all of the workers get the job security and other benefits that come with collective bargaining — but by law it can’t compel them to pay union dues. “It is a right-wing canard that anyone needs to join a union,” Gold told AlterNet. “If a union member doesn’t like what his or her union is doing, he or she is ultimately free to walk, without any diminution in their employment rights. They still get all the benefits and the union still has to represent them – just like it did the day before.”

Joe Hussein Mama

October 9th, 2012
5:33 pm

Jm — “Jhm Wrong lesson, predictably”

It seems to be the one he’s bent on disseminating.

jconservative

October 9th, 2012
5:33 pm

“And if Romney is elected, the poor old fool actually seems to believe something will change…”

I trust the guy knows that his candidate just took a hike to the left side of the political spectrum.

dbm

October 9th, 2012
5:34 pm

Jay

October 9th, 2012
4:58 pm

Can you clarify how you get that out of his statement?

iRun

October 9th, 2012
5:34 pm

josef – thank you, kindly, for your warm reception.

What is a plantation liberal? Someone who grew up in the southern upper class yet has forged their own way in public service? Then, yes, that would be me.

And, I’ve not been anywhere since I got back from Kampala, but I will be traveling to Geneval within a week.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 9th, 2012
5:35 pm

Union — “@jhm.. umm.. yes they can…”

You go right on believing that. The law says otherwise.

“obviously you have always been on the employee side of the table..”

You assume much. And you’re wrong.

Willydoit?

October 9th, 2012
5:35 pm

“But clearly, this is a man completely unfamiliar with the concept of “more than enough.””

I know people like this! Rich as hell and keep making more!! They won’t stop working and the ba$tards won’t share it with anyone!!
Their bucket is full and running over! What do they do? Let it trickle down to others?? NO! They get another bucket!!

I guess I could be that rich too….I just really don’t want to work that hard! :cool:

Joe Hussein Mama

October 9th, 2012
5:36 pm

J. Plumber — “After he was informed that the job he called his was “mine” and he was only hired to do my job and that insurance was a luxury that would be trimmed if need be, he decided to play his trump card and threaten to quit if he lost insurance, I saved him the trouble.”

Huh.

If you’d been smart and just let him quit, then he wouldn’t have been able to claim unemployment.

Since you termed him without cause, now he can claim it.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 9th, 2012
5:37 pm

“I trust the guy knows that his candidate just took a hike to the left side of the political spectrum”
—————————————————

It is a short hike, he will be back shortly.

Don't Forget

October 9th, 2012
5:37 pm

Mr. Plumber,

Why not just continue to offer the health insurance like you do now? Not a very good businessman are you?

pogo

October 9th, 2012
5:37 pm

Jay, if I were you, I wouldn’t be talking too much about campaign finance and where the money comes from seeings how Obama’s has collected 10’s of millions of dollars in the last few weeks from overseas contributors who cannot be identified and whom are totally immune to our campaign finance laws. Only 3% of those overseas millions are from accountable sources. It seems somebody over there wants Obama re-elected badly. The money could be coming from the mid-east since they know his sympathies lie with them or it could be coming from Europe who wants un-ending cash from the American taxpayers via the Fed to prop up and pay for their failed socialist experiment. If there is every an investigation of where Obama has been getting money from for his campaign indictments will fly.