David Siegel and the billionaire’s sad lament
The man above is David Siegel, owner of Westgate Resorts, allegedly the largest time-share company in the world, with his wife Jackie. After a financial setback during the recession, Siegel now brags that “we’re the most profitable we’ve ever been.” He and Jackie have resumed construction on a 90,000-square-foot home, called Versailles, that they are building in Florida. If and when it is completed, it will be the largest private home in the country.
According to the Wall Street Journal, when completed Versailles will boast “13 bedrooms, 23 full bathrooms, a 6,000-square-foot master suite (with plans in place for a bed on a rotating platform), a banquet kitchen plus 10 satellite kitchens, a 20-car garage, three pools, a two-story wine cellar and a grand hall with a 30-foot stained glass dome.”
With that background established, this is the email that Siegel sent to his employees yesterday:
Subject: Message from David Siegel
Date:Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: [David Siegel]
To: [All employees]To All My Valued Employees,
As most of you know our company, Westgate Resorts, has continued to succeed in spite of a very dismal economy. There is no question that the economy has changed for the worse and we have not seen any improvement over the past four years. In spite of all of the challenges we have faced, the good news is this: The economy doesn’t currently pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can’t tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn’t interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.
However, let me share a few facts that might help you decide what is in your best interest. The current administration and members of the press have perpetuated an environment that casts employers against employees. They want you to believe that we live in a class system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. They label us the “1%” and imply that we are somehow immune to the challenges that face our country. This could not be further from the truth. Sure, you may have heard about the big home that I’m building. I’m sure many people think that I live a privileged life. However, what you don’t see or hear is the true story behind any success that I have achieved.
I started this company over 42 years ago. At that time, I lived in a very modest home. I converted my garage into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you. We didn’t eat in fancy restaurants or take expensive vacations because every dollar I made went back into this company. I drove an old used car, and often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business — hard work, discipline, and sacrifice. Meanwhile, many of my friends got regular jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a nice income, and they spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into this business —-with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford to buy whatever I wanted. Even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company. Over the past four years I have had to stop building my dream house, cut back on all of my expenses, and take my kids out of private schools simply to keep this company strong and to keep you employed.
Just think about this – most of you arrive at work in the morning and leave that afternoon and the rest of your time is yours to do as you please. But not me- there is no “off” button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have that freedom. I eat, live, and breathe this company every minute of the day, every day of the week. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. I know many of you work hard and do a great job, but I’m the one who has to sign every check, pay every expense, and make sure that this company continues to succeed. Unfortunately, what most people see is the nice house and the lavish lifestyle. What the press certainly does not want you to see, is the true story of the hard work and sacrifices I’ve made.
Now, the economy is falling apart and people like me who made all the right decisions and invested in themselves are being forced to bail out all the people who didn’t. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed 42 years of my life for. Yes, business ownership has its benefits, but the price I’ve paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the costs of running a business have gotten out of control, and let me tell you why: We are being taxed to death and the government thinks we don’t pay enough. We pay state taxes, federal taxes, property taxes, sales and use taxes, payroll taxes, workers compensation taxes and unemployment taxes. I even have to hire an entire department to manage all these taxes. The question I have is this: Who is really stimulating the economy? Is it the Government that wants to take money from those who have earned it and give it to those who have not, or is it people like me who built a company out of his garage and directly employs over 7000 people and hosts over 3 million people per year with a great vacation?
Obviously, our present government believes that taking my money is the right economic stimulus for this country. The fact is, if I deducted 50% of your paycheck you’d quit and you wouldn’t work here. I mean, why should you? Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, that’s what happens to me.
Here is what most people don’t understand and the press and our Government has chosen to ignore – to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Instead of raising my taxes and depositing that money into the Washington black-hole, let me spend it on growing the company, hire more employees, and generate substantial economic growth. My employees will enjoy the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But that is not what our current Government wants you to believe. They want you to believe that it somehow makes sense to take more from those who create wealth and give it to those who do not, and somehow our economy will improve. They don’t want you to know that the “1%”, as they like to label us, pay more than 31% of all the taxes in this country. Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, “democracy” will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate business, not kill it. However, the power brokers in Washington believe redistributing wealth is the essential driver of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change they want.
So where am I going with all this? It’s quite simple. If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company. Rather than grow this company I will be forced to cut back. This means fewer jobs, less benefits and certainly less opportunity for everyone.
So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn’t? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the “1 percenters” are bad, I’m telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won’t be at the hands of the “1%”; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.
You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.
Signed, your boss,
David Siegel
The email does raise an interesting question or two, such as, if it’s true that “even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company,” where did all the money for that house come from? And if he made all the right decisions, why did he come so close to bankruptcy? Why does he blame government for the fact that he had to pull his eight kids out of private school? If he couldn’t support a family that large, why did he keep having children?
Under ordinary circumstances, I also wouldn’t think it necessary to pity poor Mr. Siegel. After all, he would seem to have more than enough pity for himself to fill all three swimming pools at Versailles, allowing him to wallow in that emotion to his heart’s content. But clearly, this is a man completely unfamiliar with the concept of “more than enough.” Judging from his email, the poor unappreciated soul wants and needs more pity still; he is a victim, you see, treated shabbily and unfairly, and he’s not going to take any more of it, by golly.
Attention, attention must finally be paid to such a person.
– Jay Bookman
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#1 Foxy Lady
October 9th, 2012
4:37 pm
i’ve been outed! blimey!
kitty
October 9th, 2012
4:42 pm
I don’t know about you, Jay. I can hear the world’s smallest violin playing a lament for the poor rich boob…and his trophy wife who wouldn’t be there without the money.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 9th, 2012
4:50 pm
That’s his third wife.
Wonder what she sees in him?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
4:51 pm
oh, okay – I’ll just get this out of the way:
wealth envy
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
4:51 pm
GG – well, it’s clear what he sees in her …
Brad Steel
October 9th, 2012
4:51 pm
He should get together with Leon Cooperman in a winner-take-all snivel off. If out of bread, he winner could ironically eat cake at Versailles.
These narcissistic supermen should get together on that tropical island cite Ayn Rand and start their own master race. Certainly, us minions have no hope of ever have the genetic make-up or ambition to have the suitable offspring for that dream.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
4:53 pm
Look at the roll of blubber around that guy’s middle!
He’s not long for the oxygen habit.
Too funny.
Yet he thinks he is rich…
BRW
October 9th, 2012
4:53 pm
Fatt A$$Hat. This is one company Bain should have dumped on.
Jay
October 9th, 2012
4:54 pm
I do feel pity a lot more than envy, USinUK. Not only would I not want to live in a 23-bedroom house, I wouldn’t want to be the type of person who needs a 23-bedroom house in the first place. You’d have to put a gun to my head to make me trade places.
Rightwing Troll
October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm
And if Romney is elected, the poor old fool actually seems to believe something will change…
Bless his heart..
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm
That’s a trophy wife?
I see he didn’t come in …first.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm
“But not me- there is no “off” button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have that freedom. I eat, live, and breathe this company every minute of the day, every day of the week. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. I know many of you work hard and do a great job, but I’m the one who has to sign every check, pay every expense, and make sure that this company continues to succeed. ”
what an effing wanker. my £££ is on his employees working beyond 9-5 and doing extra work on the weekend -
DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)
October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm
You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.
I smell a lawsuit!!! Oh MAN!! If ONLY I knew someone who worked for him — I’d give the number of the best litigator in Florida and would even work for FREE on his legal team just to screw this guy! Oh, woe is me!!
On a positive note — I’ve had a time share with this guy for years! Bought mine originally in Disney World about 10 years ago, got a great deal, and every time I travel, (not so much lately), I have an already booked, 3 bedroom condo waiting for me.
Sometimes, if you book early enough, you can get the limo to drive you from the airport. (Extra cost)
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm
Most of his employees are in Florida I would bet.
Given the 2000 election things like this can add up.
Jay
October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm
A former Miss Universe, Granny G.
Alan Ramsey
October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm
Please retire, go to that Caribbean island, and stay there. Your employees will thank you. Hopefully a coconut will hit you on the head and WE won’t have to worry about YOU anymore.
Truth
October 9th, 2012
4:56 pm
The man worked hard and took risks… Good for him. I should have done the same thing.
Union
October 9th, 2012
4:56 pm
still trying to figure out if those are real?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
4:56 pm
Jay – 4:54 – a 23-bedroom house is the new sports car … “compensating”, if you know what I mean (and I think that you do)
DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)
October 9th, 2012
4:57 pm
That should be screw him OVER – i n a bad way, NOT a good way
Jeesh — I’m hungry and cranky; I’d better start packing up and heading out.
Later gators!
(getalife — NOT florida gators, just GATORS…….don’t want you having a flash back or anything…..)
Jay
October 9th, 2012
4:58 pm
Yes, Truth. All of his successes are his own, all his failings are someone else’s fault.
larry
October 9th, 2012
4:58 pm
He is a victim , pure and simple. I wonder how much he gave to his buddy’s , Mr. Romney’s campaign.
I wonder if he was in attendence in that 47% speech that Mr. Romney gave so easily. Without cheat sheets no less.
SoGaVet
October 9th, 2012
4:58 pm
What he’s really saying is, “I’ll actually get a huge pay increase because of all the taxes I won’t have to pay, if Romney gets elected.”
I’d say he lives in an alternate reality – from the rest of us, not from Mitt.
Thulsa Doom
October 9th, 2012
4:59 pm
Respect Saban! That means you getalife. Do it NOW!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 9th, 2012
4:59 pm
Jay
Which planet did she represent in the pageant I wonder….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
5:00 pm
“Yes, Truth. All of his successes are his own, all his failings are someone else’s fault.”
heads I win, tails you lose … it’s the GOP playbook
USMC
October 9th, 2012
5:00 pm
“David Siegel and the billionaire’s sad lament”–JAY BOOKMAN
Poor Jay Bookman continues with his WEALTH ENVY Socialist diatribe against successful Americans.
And while this rich guy might be a jackass and everything else under the sun, he is entitled to do whatever he wants with his money and company WITHOUT your Socialist input.
Get over your envy, Jay. Don’t be petty, it doesn’t wear well on you.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
October 9th, 2012
5:01 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D12pPY8SuHc
A documentary they are doing on this clown.
Gravy Train
October 9th, 2012
5:01 pm
Uh, look at this clown’s ginormous gut! He certainly hasn’t cut back on food expenses. He needs to unleash his work ethic in the gym. This letter is a direct threat to his employees. A great lawyer should smell the law suit from this letter. I hope Dave has a retainer…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
5:01 pm
hahahahaha … USMC – so predictable
DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)
October 9th, 2012
5:02 pm
That’s a trophy wife?
I see he didn’t come in …first
Meow! Granny! Bad Granny Bad. Bad. BAD!!!
Liberal Pariah
October 9th, 2012
5:02 pm
Jay says: If he couldn’t support a family that large, why did he keep having children? That just cracks me up.
I have that same question as a Conservative, only to people that truly can’t afford it.
Zebra
October 9th, 2012
5:02 pm
There was a movie about her and conspicuous consumption at Sundance called The Queen of Versailles. Her name is Jackie.
larry
October 9th, 2012
5:05 pm
I wonder how much he’s paying his ex-wives.
Towncrier
October 9th, 2012
5:05 pm
“He and Jackie have resumed construction on a 90,000-square-foot home, called Versailles, that they are building in Florida, which will be the largest private home in the country. ”
Wow…that is just insane selfishness. He should read the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Ironically, he is not helping Romney’s cause very much.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
5:05 pm
“I have that same question as a Conservative, only to people that truly can’t afford it.”
um. yeah. that’s the point – he should walk the walk, think you not?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:06 pm
Never seen a giant douche with a giant house before.
DebbieDoRight - Plantation Liberal (In Good Standing)
October 9th, 2012
5:06 pm
And while this rich guy might be a jackass and everything else under the sun, he is entitled to do whatever he wants with his money and company WITHOUT your Socialist input.
WRONG – he basically THREATENED his employees with that spiel about “My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities.” He obviously did NOT consult a lawyer before he sent that out!!
It’s against the law, LABOR LAW, to threaten an employee by intimating that their job may/may not be lost because of how they vote.
Man! I hope one of his employees is on this blog — go IMMEDIATELY to a lawyer, say you feel THREATENED and COERCED into doing as your boss implies in his email.
Oh and I’m out! Later gators!
Unbelievably out of touch and delusional
October 9th, 2012
5:06 pm
Obama thought he won his debate.
Mittmentum on a roll.
Obama, out of touch.
larry
October 9th, 2012
5:07 pm
He and Jackie have resumed construction on a 90,000-square-foot home, called Versailles, that they are building in Florida, which will be the largest private home in the country. ”
Wouldn’t it be something if he had to call the law because he got lost.
In his own home.
USMC
October 9th, 2012
5:08 pm
David Siegel Email To Workers Threatens Layoffs If Obama Is Reelected
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/david-siegel-email_n_1951801.html
So basically, Jay gets paid to regurgitate the Party Line and Copy and paste from the Huffington ComPost. What a great gig. Good for you Jay. We note your bluster.
larry
October 9th, 2012
5:09 pm
Mittmentum on a roll.
No thanks , i tried that once and i didnt like the way it tasted.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
5:09 pm
” if it’s true that “even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company,” where did all the money for that house come from? And if he made all the right decisions, why did he come so close to bankruptcy?”
One word answer to both questions: debt
Simple answers to somewhat dumb questions
nelson
October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm
That letter made absolutely perfect sense. He laid it all out, self sacrifice, success oriented, driven to succeed. David Siegel put it as good as it could be put.
I knew Jay would not agree with him. Mr Siegel was goal oriented. Now, for some reason, that is out of style. Self sacrifice to make a better life later on is the way. No question. And as far as having a mega home, it is a reward. Warren Buffett lives in a house he bought in 1956 for something like $40,000, his goal is simply to make more money. That is what the U.S. is about and helping someone in need.
Brad Steel
October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm
USMC, as a parrot, do you type with your beak?
Rightwing Troll
October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm
Subtext:
I won’t force you to vote for Mittens, but if you don’t, you won’t have a job much longer…
And I’d bet his employees have no idea that the economy is getting better, since he is building a 23 room mansion instead of compensating folks who probably weathered W’s financial storm with him…
josef
October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm
Don’t know why, but for some reason this comes to mind…it may be the brioche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaTuguQYJaA
“The ghost of revolution
Still prowls the Paris streets
Down all the restless centuries
It wonders incomplete
It speaks inside the cheap red wine
Of cafe summer nights
Its red and amber voices
Call the cars at traffic lights
Why do you wait
To see the day begin
Your time is wasting in the wind
Wondering why
Wondering why, it echoes
Through the lonely palace of Versailles”
–Al Stewart
Mary Elizabeth
October 9th, 2012
5:10 pm
“Business is at the heart of America and always has been.”
————————————————–
No, business is not what has always been at the heart of America.
Compare David Siegel’s consciousness with that of Washington, Jefferson, Adams to see clearly the differences in perceptions of America. Washington and Jefferson both lost a great deal of their personal wealth in their service to our nation. They felt a sense of duty to others and they had a vision of what this nation was to be about, and to stand for, into the future that meant more to them than making money or even losing much their inherited wealth in the process of making America what is was to be. Business was not at the heart of their America. Liberty and equality was.
(And please don’t tell me that Washington and Jefferson were wealthy landowners with slaves. I know that already. I am talking about the core of these men’s beings and the core of what they perceived America to be.)
And now we have the likes of Siegel telling us what has always been at the heart of America. The sad thing is that so many Americans have bought into that limited perception.
Liberal Pariah
October 9th, 2012
5:11 pm
This is a perfect illustration of the divide in this country that is problematic for whoever is President. One side sees a problem with the man’s success and how he handles it and the other sees someone whose hard work resulted in success and does not begrudge him for it. Sad state of affairs it is.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
5:11 pm
” Copy and paste from the Huffington ComPost”
says the guy who copies and pastes from Breitbart repeatedly every. single. day.
Union
October 9th, 2012
5:11 pm
http://youtu.be/U0QBD6CXgdo
someone the rest of the folks can relate to.. dont want anyone feeling left out.
Liberal Pariah
October 9th, 2012
5:12 pm
If Liberty is what this country is about, then Obama is definitely not your man.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
5:12 pm
“One side sees a problem with the man’s success and how he handles it ”
did the point make a whooshing sound as it went over your head?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:13 pm
Clearly, Mr. Siegel didn’t run his missive by either his HR department or his legal team before sending it out.
If he had, IMO they’d have said OMFGNO.
Debbie is correct — this could be taken as prima facie evidence of a hostile work environment based on employees’ political choices.
Liberal Pariah
October 9th, 2012
5:14 pm
I liked it better when your name included the word Uterus and Thug.
Liberal Pariah
October 9th, 2012
5:15 pm
It’s obvious the guy has enough money to handle the inevitable lawsuit his letter will generate. Not the smartest move.
Simple Truths
October 9th, 2012
5:16 pm
I bet Jackie needs some after market modifications to stay current. That costs money!
getalife
October 9th, 2012
5:16 pm
I saw that earlier and laughed.
He opened himself for discrimination lawsuits and his business is a scam.
Miss Understood
October 9th, 2012
5:17 pm
I liked it better when your name included the word Uterus and Thug.
Don’t be discouraged, at least the PARIAH part of your name fits you to a “tee”.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
5:17 pm
“If he had, IMO they’d have said OMFGNO.”
more like “are you effing HIGH???!!!”
josef
October 9th, 2012
5:18 pm
Nouveaux riches…tacky, tacky, tacky,,,
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 9th, 2012
5:18 pm
“I liked it better when your name included the word Uterus and Thug.”
duly noted.
Liberal Pariah
October 9th, 2012
5:18 pm
Pariah is perfect because Liberals hate my superior intellect and reasoning as I expose their corrupt Humanistic Worldview.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
5:18 pm
Wow, what’s bigger, the pot belly of hubby or wifey’s fake cans?
Miss Understood
October 9th, 2012
5:19 pm
t’s obvious the guy has enough money to handle the inevitable lawsuit his letter will generate. Not the smartest move
One lawsuit — probably. About 200+? Or even worse a Class Action Lawsuit? Say goodbye Earl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw7gNf_9njs
Jay
October 9th, 2012
5:20 pm
“Debbie is correct — this could be taken as prima facie evidence of a hostile work environment based on employees’ political choices.
David Siegel on his role in the 2000 election in Florida:
“Whenever I saw a negative article about [Al] Gore, I put it in with the paychecks of my 8,000 employees. I had my managers do a survey on every employee. If they liked Bush, we made them register to vote. But not if they liked Gore. The week before [the election] we made 80,000 phone calls through my call center—they were robo-calls. On Election Day, we made sure everyone who was voting for Bush got to the polls. I didn’t know he would win by 527 votes. Afterward, we did a survey among the employees to find out who voted who wouldn’t have otherwise. One thousand of them said so.”
dbm
October 9th, 2012
5:20 pm
I don’t read this as being about pity. I read it as being about: What is our best strategy for getting something out of him that will benefit us?
If he is pushed into retirement, I certainly wouldn’t pity his economic circumstances, but I might pity his being forced away from productive work.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
5:20 pm
Work hard, reap the benefits, such as you choose.
Maybe Libs can learn something but I doubt it.
I wouldn’t spend my money that way, but this is America. He can spend it however he likes as far as I’m concerned.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:21 pm
USinUK — “more like “are you effing HIGH???!!!”
My wife is an HR professional and has spent much of the last 10 years working with administrative and legal matters surrounding employees — including things like workers’ comp, wrongful termination suits and challenging UI claims (when the employees in question had been terminated for cause). I have no doubt she’s going to get a huge kick out of Mr. Siegel’s e-mail message.
From what she tells me, it’s usually the employees who make the really dumbfark moves, but when *employers* do it, the stakes and consequences get larger.
Simple Truths
October 9th, 2012
5:21 pm
Welcome to the Occupation @ 5:18: You have size envy?
dbm
October 9th, 2012
5:22 pm
Sorry for the triple posting. Computer glitch. Jay, can you take a couple of them off?
Mary Elizabeth
October 9th, 2012
5:22 pm
“If Liberty is what this country is about, then Obama is definitely not your man.”
================================
To the contrary, Obama is the person of choice if you value liberty. Ordinary Americans will not be well served under Romney. Romney will look after the upper 1% of this nation – that is hardly liberty for the remainlng 99%. Giving old people vouchers for Medicare is only one small example of how the American public will be squashed under Romney. If you value liberty and equality for the majority of the people of this nation, you will be wise to vote for Obama.
Union
October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:13 pm
Clearly, Mr. Siegel didn’t run his missive by either his HR department or his legal team before sending it out.
If he had, IMO they’d have said OMFGNO.
Debbie is correct — this could be taken as prima facie evidence of a hostile work environment based on employees’ political choices.
youve never seen any of the memos coming from the union shops to members telling them how to vote have you? they take dues.. yet they dont employ their members.. yet threaten them with job loss.. “Que the feigned liberal outrage”
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm
Well, I must of made Bad Choices and never took Personal Responsibility. And that’s why I’ve got the trailer and the missus, while this guy’s got this huge-azz mansion and his third hot babe.
But I want to have a mansion and a hot babe some day—provided the missus passes on to her Eternal Reward first and don’t kill me like some roach she stomps on. And that’s why I’m voting for Romney. See, this Trickle Down thing starts with the big shots and then passes down to the little people. I figure sooner or later I’ll become the Trick-ler and not the Trick-lee. Besides, there’s only so many hot babes that old dude can handle. We’ll never get Trickle Down with Obama, but we might could get it with Romney.
And that ties in with the topic from downstairs. Maybe that Taliban that shot the girl went to America first and saw how women here sass and do anything in the kitchen for their men, like baking cakes and pies. It would be a real pity if I got a mansion sooner or later and asked the hot babe to peel me a grape and she told me to go F___ myself.
Have a good night everybody.
indigo
October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm
It’s hard to know which is the most contemptable, this filthy rich man poor-mouthing to his employees and threating layoffs or his gold-digging wife who wouldn’t give him the time of day if he was a middle-class wage earner.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm
If only the middle class had been more responsible and not taken fancy vacations, they wouldn’t need government help and this DB’s financial worth would be in line with his worth as a person. Except of course for that period when W told us that spending money was patriotic.
iRun
October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm
Wealth envy, USMC, really?
Because I distinctly read Jay saying he wouldn’t trade places with him for the world.
And neither would I.
I grew up in “old money”. In a fairly large old house. And other moldering artifacts.
I am certainly upper middle class now, and I quite like it. I like how we use every room in our house. I like how, though we hire a house cleaner (not the same as a house keeper), I could clean it by myself in half a day. I like how all my extra money can go to worthy causes.
Such as Docters Without Borders, or Planned Parenthood, or WABE 90.1, or the American Burn Association, or Komen (MIL had breast cancer), or the PTA, or the bum on the street in L5P by the liquor store selling roses out of a bucket.
Never in this world would I want a 90000 sqft house, or that many cars, or that many pools.
Such a waste.
Change your Wealth Envy accusation to an accusation of puritanism, if you will, but I do not at all envy this man.
On topic: Even implied coercion is vulnerable to prosecution. And, clearly, he was not warned of this beforehand.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:24 pm
Jm — “Maybe Libs can learn something but I doubt it.”
No thanks. I have no aspirations to become a bullying gasbaggy jackazz like Mr. Siegel.
josef
October 9th, 2012
5:25 pm
Well, I know a lot of folks like to talk about white trash…here it is in all it’s glory, imeoiauo
iRun
October 9th, 2012
5:26 pm
Also, he should have worn a looser shirt. We all get old and, with it, our bodies do not stay firm.
But, dude, nothing you wear should stretch tightly across your stomach like that. You certainly have enough money to afford a tailored shirt.
As for the wife, I will not comment other than to say she is striking a pose that reminds me of a defiant warrior princess on the cover of a romance novel. Except she is sitting in an old man’s lap. This causes confusion for me.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:26 pm
Union — “youve never seen any of the memos coming from the union shops to members telling them how to vote have you?”
Read carefully — employers aren’t allowed to intimidate their employees based on their non-work activities.
How terrible for you.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
5:27 pm
Nothing says “hard working entrepreneur” like sitting on a throne.
Joe The Plumber Too
October 9th, 2012
5:28 pm
Much respect to this gentleman. I feel the same way, my employees head home after the work day but mine never ends. If barry is re-elected and the obamacare mess kicks in next year, I will be dropping the insurance on all my employees and just pay the fine. It will be cheaper in the long run. Had a conversation with a young man today who has been at my company for about 8 months about that, he was under the mistaken impression that it “his” job came with insurance no matter what. After he was informed that the job he called his was “mine” and he was only hired to do my job and that insurance was a luxury that would be trimmed if need be, he decided to play his trump card and threaten to quit if he lost insurance, I saved him the trouble. I guess there will be one more number added to the unemployed that barry can have his minions fudge next week.
dbm
October 9th, 2012
5:28 pm
Jay
October 9th, 2012
4:54 pm
While I would really rather not bother with a 23-bedroom house, I wouldn’t be too upset if I had to live in one, especially if there was money to hire some help.
Why do you assume he “needs” a 23-bedroom house? Do you “need” everything you have, or would you be OK with less, even if it wasn’t as good as more?
Jm
October 9th, 2012
5:29 pm
Jhm
Wrong lesson, predictably
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 9th, 2012
5:29 pm
I sat through about 4 hours of one of their sales pitches once for $100. By the time it was over I was almost ready to give then $200 to get out.
josef
October 9th, 2012
5:30 pm
iRUN
Good to see you. Where you been? So, are you a plantation liberal, too?
Union
October 9th, 2012
5:30 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:26 pm
Read carefully — employers aren’t allowed to intimidate their employees based on their non-work activities.
How terrible for you.
@jhm.. umm.. yes they can… obviously you have always been on the employee side of the table..
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
5:32 pm
““13 bedrooms, 23 full bathrooms, a 6,000-square-foot master suite (with plans in place for a bed on a rotating platform), a banquet kitchen plus 10 satellite kitchens, a 20-car garage, three pools, a two-story wine cellar and a grand hall with a 30-foot stained glass dome.””
In reading through the comments it’s amazing how many people can’t even refer back to what Jay posted…including JAY!
“Not only would I not want to live in a 23-bedroom house” – BATHROOMS, not bedrooms. And I have NEVER heard of having almost twice as many bathrooms as bedrooms. 13 bedrooms and 23 bathtooms!
” 23 room mansion ” – not rooms, BATHROOMS!
Clearly I don’t belong in that “class” of people since I can’t see the need for 23 bathrooms in a tiny little house that ONLY has 13 bedrooms!
Miss Understood
October 9th, 2012
5:32 pm
youve never seen any of the memos coming from the union shops to members telling them how to vote have you? they take dues.. yet they dont employ their members.. yet threaten them with job loss.. “Que the feigned liberal outrage
Unions don’t employ anyone, hence they can’t FIRE anyone. Even those who “work” for the Union do so merely as a function of volunteering. Let me clarify:
A person can have a job as a secretary for a PAC that belongs to the union; however that person does NOT work for the Union.
As to Membership: Union membership is entirely voluntary – when a group of workers elect to form a union, it doesn’t mean that everyone must sign up. The union negotiates on behalf of all the workers in the group – and all of the workers get the job security and other benefits that come with collective bargaining — but by law it can’t compel them to pay union dues. “It is a right-wing canard that anyone needs to join a union,” Gold told AlterNet. “If a union member doesn’t like what his or her union is doing, he or she is ultimately free to walk, without any diminution in their employment rights. They still get all the benefits and the union still has to represent them – just like it did the day before.”
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:33 pm
Jm — “Jhm Wrong lesson, predictably”
It seems to be the one he’s bent on disseminating.
jconservative
October 9th, 2012
5:33 pm
“And if Romney is elected, the poor old fool actually seems to believe something will change…”
I trust the guy knows that his candidate just took a hike to the left side of the political spectrum.
dbm
October 9th, 2012
5:34 pm
Jay
October 9th, 2012
4:58 pm
Can you clarify how you get that out of his statement?
iRun
October 9th, 2012
5:34 pm
josef – thank you, kindly, for your warm reception.
What is a plantation liberal? Someone who grew up in the southern upper class yet has forged their own way in public service? Then, yes, that would be me.
And, I’ve not been anywhere since I got back from Kampala, but I will be traveling to Geneval within a week.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:35 pm
Union — “@jhm.. umm.. yes they can…”
You go right on believing that. The law says otherwise.
“obviously you have always been on the employee side of the table..”
You assume much. And you’re wrong.
Willydoit?
October 9th, 2012
5:35 pm
“But clearly, this is a man completely unfamiliar with the concept of “more than enough.””
I know people like this! Rich as hell and keep making more!! They won’t stop working and the ba$tards won’t share it with anyone!!
Their bucket is full and running over! What do they do? Let it trickle down to others?? NO! They get another bucket!!
I guess I could be that rich too….I just really don’t want to work that hard!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:36 pm
J. Plumber — “After he was informed that the job he called his was “mine” and he was only hired to do my job and that insurance was a luxury that would be trimmed if need be, he decided to play his trump card and threaten to quit if he lost insurance, I saved him the trouble.”
Huh.
If you’d been smart and just let him quit, then he wouldn’t have been able to claim unemployment.
Since you termed him without cause, now he can claim it.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 9th, 2012
5:37 pm
“I trust the guy knows that his candidate just took a hike to the left side of the political spectrum”
—————————————————
It is a short hike, he will be back shortly.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
5:37 pm
Mr. Plumber,
Why not just continue to offer the health insurance like you do now? Not a very good businessman are you?
pogo
October 9th, 2012
5:37 pm
Jay, if I were you, I wouldn’t be talking too much about campaign finance and where the money comes from seeings how Obama’s has collected 10’s of millions of dollars in the last few weeks from overseas contributors who cannot be identified and whom are totally immune to our campaign finance laws. Only 3% of those overseas millions are from accountable sources. It seems somebody over there wants Obama re-elected badly. The money could be coming from the mid-east since they know his sympathies lie with them or it could be coming from Europe who wants un-ending cash from the American taxpayers via the Fed to prop up and pay for their failed socialist experiment. If there is every an investigation of where Obama has been getting money from for his campaign indictments will fly.
Jeffrey
October 9th, 2012
5:38 pm
So he just told his employees he’s better than them. Helluva motivator this guy. And time shares? That’s innovative. Who ever heard of preying on suckers before. Have fun cleaning that shack.
Jeffrey
October 9th, 2012
5:39 pm
Oh yeah he apparently sacrificed a first wife on the way. Wonder how the money she got went back into the company?
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 9th, 2012
5:40 pm
Is David Siegel pregnant?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:40 pm
Are we sure that woman on his lap isn’t a ventriloquist’s dummy?
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 9th, 2012
5:41 pm
They probably have their IT staff digging through all 7000 employees sent items to try to find the mole. Wonder what will happen to him/her?
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 9th, 2012
5:41 pm
Are we sure that woman on his lap isn’t a ventriloquist’s dummy?
So you’re saying his left arm in the picture is fake?
Miss Understood
October 9th, 2012
5:41 pm
Why not just continue to offer the health insurance like you do now?
He’s required by law to offer Health insurance if he has more than 5(?) employees that work for him on a full time (32+ hours/week) basis.
He must not be a very good businessman if he’s not only breaking the law, but too dumb to let the guy quit and save himself some paperwork……
BRW
October 9th, 2012
5:42 pm
“Are we sure that woman on his lap isn’t a ventriloquist’s dummy?”
No. She’s no dummy, unless she signed the pre-nup……
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
5:43 pm
If you are surprised by this
then you don’t know many
’successful’ people. Most
I know believe this crap. Just tax his ass and if he quits wave byebye.
Joe The Plumber Too
October 9th, 2012
5:43 pm
Joe mama, disrespect in the office is never allowed at my business, how about yours?
Don’t forget, my business has done pretty good for the past thirty years but thanks for asking.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 9th, 2012
5:43 pm
If we raise just his taxes to 60% will that make him go away already?
BRW
October 9th, 2012
5:45 pm
Ok Joe, Prove it. List your company name and we’ll check you out, and ensure you follow THE LAW to it’s letter…..
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:45 pm
ByteMe — “So you’re saying his left arm in the picture is fake?”
I think that arm belongs to a particularly soft and supple employee that Mr. Siegel no doubt employs as a seat cushion.
Pizzaman
October 9th, 2012
5:45 pm
Republican crap! Poor billionaire wants to keep more so he can hire more? Not likely. If Willard wins he’ll layoff as many as possible.
Vote Early, Vote Often, to hell with voter ID, vote absentee!
Jay
October 9th, 2012
5:45 pm
Why don’t you leak all that to Hannity and Tucker Carlson, Pogo? It can be their next “bombshell.”
Joe The Plumber Too
October 9th, 2012
5:46 pm
miss understood, I am not required by law to pay half of my employees insurance as I do now by any law. Whole picture sister……..
josef
October 9th, 2012
5:47 pm
iRUN
Well, something like that! But, yes…but, you know, if you acknowledge that folks are going to call you a snob, uppity and all that. When you try to tell them that there’s a great deal of responsibility that goes with it, they miss that part…you apparently were raised right…
What were you doing in Kampala? Any take on what’s going on with the gay folks there?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:47 pm
J. Plumber — “Joe mama, disrespect in the office is never allowed at my business, how about yours?”
I’m smart enough not to let my temper get me on the hook for an employee’s unemployment benefits. You ever heard of Constructive Termination?
“Don’t forget, my business has done pretty good for the past thirty years”
FWIW, I doubt that you’re a plumber and I doubt that you have a business. Kind of like the *real* Not-Joe the Not-Plumber.
Union
October 9th, 2012
5:48 pm
@jhm.. if i tell my employees they can be fired for using drugs or tobacco on their time and i test.. i can fire them.. obviously it would have to be company policy and set forth in the guidelines, etc. but in accordance with the verbiage of your post.. i can do just that..
Joe The Plumber Too
October 9th, 2012
5:48 pm
brw…..thats funny. Have a good night people, there is a steak calling my name at home.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 9th, 2012
5:48 pm
Her days as Mrs Seigal are numbered now that Rhea Perlman is back on the market.
Union
October 9th, 2012
5:49 pm
@ miss understood..
California law permits public-sector employees in a bargaining unit to
decide by majority vote to create an “agency shop” arrangement under which all the employees are represented by a union. Even employees who do not join the union must pay an annual fee for
“chargeable expenses,” i.e., the cost of nonpolitical union services related to collective bargaining. Under Abood v. Detroit Bd. of Ed., 431
U. S. 209, a public-sector union can bill nonmembers for chargeable
expenses but may not require them to fund its political or ideological
projects. Teachers v. Hudson, 475 U. S. 292, 302–311, sets out requirements that a union must meet in order to collect regular fees
from nonmembers without violating their rights
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1121c4d6.pdf
Miss Understood
October 9th, 2012
5:49 pm
And time shares? That’s innovative.
I love the convenience of a time share, but you’re right, they’re the biggest scam, (outside of Insurance), ever.
You “buy” your timeshare for $0 down and pay $200/month for 60 months for it. Every year you pay “taxes” on your property, (sometimes as much as $2K); and you have a small “fee” everytime you use it.
The catch is if 20 people “own” along with you, your timeshare, then monthly the true owners, Siegel, is getting $200*20 on one “apartment” in a building that has 200 apartments. He’s also getting $2K a year from you and your other “owners” to pay off his taxes on the property.
It’s a great scam — classic really.
But people like me, who are ULTRA LAZY about booking reservations for vacations. LOVE timeshares.
One call, that’s all.
I’m sucka for a timeshare…………..
BRW
October 9th, 2012
5:49 pm
“brw…..thats funny. Have a good night people, there is a steak calling my name at home”
Sure. Unemployed loser…..
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
5:49 pm
Oh, and BTW, just to show what wimps these people are…the real Versailles, the Palace of Versailles in France…has 2300 rooms and had NO BATHROOMS when it was built.
They BOTH suck
October 9th, 2012
5:50 pm
He is probably over built and looking to blame Uncle Sam if he has to lay folks off instead of saying he has more supply than demand.
However I could be wrong, but I doubt if his demand is outpacing supply he wont find a way to make it work; charge a little more and maybe absorb some of the costs.
Joe The Plumber Too
October 9th, 2012
5:50 pm
joe mama, I doubt you are a real hussein either young man.
pogo
October 9th, 2012
5:50 pm
Ever heard of Robert Roche Jay? His company owns “Obama.com” and he is a campaign bundler for the Obama campaign. He is centered in Singapore and he has very close associations with the Chinese government. Why don’t you talk about this gentleman Jay? Is he selling out the governance of our country to the Chinese just to keep Obama in the Whitehouse. And why would the the Chinese want Obama re-elected? They know that they can buy him, that is why.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
5:51 pm
Joe the plumber
If not legally required to
pay half your employees
insurance, why do it?
Stupidity?
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
5:51 pm
Mr Plumber, nice dodge on the question. If you provide insurance now, when there is no fine, why would you cancel it when there would be a fine for doing so? You’re story makes no sense and is just a piece of political rhetoric designed to frighten people.
bman
October 9th, 2012
5:52 pm
That email was pitiful. It’s always the super-rich who gets the press. This guy, nearly everyone in Hollywood explaining to us all how we should think, and who we should vote for. And why? Because they know it all.
The difference? His employees don’t give him money.
Oh well…to each his own
josef
October 9th, 2012
5:52 pm
Doggone
At my age, I ain’t go no problem with 13 bathrooms!
Joe The Plumber Too
October 9th, 2012
5:53 pm
brw, I guess you figured me out. I’m homeless, unemployed and have to get off this Library computer before closing time. Can’t pull anything over your eyes huh little fellow? Play nice dims, gotta go.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:53 pm
Union — “@jhm.. if i tell my employees they can be fired for using drugs or tobacco on their time and i test.. i can fire them.. obviously it would have to be company policy and set forth in the guidelines, etc. but in accordance with the verbiage of your post.. i can do just that..”
Nope. Not in accordance with the verbiage of my post at all. If those are *conditions of employment,* they’re distinct from the type of intimidation that Mr. Siegel clearly engaged in.
Now, if you’d like to demonstrate that Mr. Siegel clearly indicated voting for Republicans to be a condition of continued employment for his staff when he hired them, then I am all ears. Otherwise, you’re just blowing smoke.
Road Scholar
October 9th, 2012
5:55 pm
“Are we sure that woman on his lap isn’t a ventriloquist’s dummy?”
Ya’ know she is a blond!
How will he complete the house decor ? French tacky? All those clappers and emergency push buttons in case he falls down? His wife and kids will probably short them out… Just imagine the utility bills?
I wonder how many tax loopholes he has used for his personal and work accounts? He probably will write of the entire mortgage as a place to entertain his clients…or his wife’s boyfriends!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
5:55 pm
J. Plumber — “joe mama, I doubt you are a real hussein either”
Shrug.
“young man.”
I *wish* I was still a young man.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
5:56 pm
“At my age, I ain’t go no problem with 13 bathrooms”
Read it again! 13 BEDrooms and 23 BATHrooms!
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
5:57 pm
“Ya’ know she is a blond!”
Look again, she’s not blonde (blond is masculine)
Road Scholar
October 9th, 2012
5:58 pm
josef: Are you that full of s…?
Sorry could not resist. I know what you mean. The old camel bladder is not what it once was!
Miss Understood
October 9th, 2012
6:00 pm
miss understood, I am not required by law to pay half of my employees insurance as I do now by any law. Whole picture sister……..
OK –maybe I missed something here — if you already pay for health insurance, (half as you say), then why did you fire the guy for asking for Health insurance?
Union – In states that haven’t passed so-called Right-To-Work laws, the union can charge all workers in a “negotiating unit” for the direct cost of representing them, but cannot, by law, force them to pay for the union’s political activities. “They can only be required to pay for their share of bargaining costs and representation costs – not politics, not legislative stuff, not anything else.
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:00 pm
Doggone
Okay…no problem with 23 either!
Beastie Boys
October 9th, 2012
6:01 pm
You gotta fight, for your right, to paaaaarty!
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:02 pm
ROAD SCHOLAR
Not sh*t, piss and vinagre!
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
6:02 pm
“Okay…no problem with 23 either!”
Makes me wonder if they’re going to require that all of their guests use a bathroom twice everytime they have to go!
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:03 pm
josef
does Unmentionable drink
gin and tonic also ?
deegee
October 9th, 2012
6:04 pm
“David Siegel, owner of Westgate Resorts, allegedly the largest time-share company in the world.”
Doesn’t that speak for itself? If you can sell a time share, you can sell a load of crap to an employee.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
6:04 pm
Simple Truths: “Welcome to the Occupation @ 5:18: You have size envy?”
Yeah, guess so. Though I’m told I shouldn’t.
bob
October 9th, 2012
6:05 pm
He didn’t build that but her doctor built those.
Granny Godzilla
October 9th, 2012
6:05 pm
Dave and Jackie need Sr. Mary John Ellen to tell them the
story of Lou and Marie and their Versailles.
Messy business.
Same decor .
GT
October 9th, 2012
6:05 pm
I can’t connect the dots. You have this group that barricade themselves in the church, bully people with moral indignation and call themselves conservative. Then in about every group of that tea party crowd there is one or two of these grease balls who the right wants to be the symbol of America, this guy and Donald Trump being one of many. They got big problems with Obama, a family man, two daughters, and a wife of 20 years, bigger problems with gay marriage yet this puss belly married a high paid prostitute, probably his second or third and they are fine with that image. Not unlike Newt who has made this kind of thing fashionable. Communities use to keep these nuts in a closet, you heard your parents talk about them at the dinner table, now they are front and center. Nut balls are the in thing, at least with other nuts. I would like to hear more about this from Romney who won the primary because he is the least nutty in an insane asylum. Romney who is paying for most of his campaign with these nut balls money yet just last week sounded exactly like Obama in a debate, yet these were the nut balls celebrating. Can’t connect the dots.
Miss Understood
October 9th, 2012
6:05 pm
The difference? His employees don’t give him money.
The difference is they work for him and he’s using COERCION and THREATS. (See Sexual Harassment Laws)
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:06 pm
Doggone…
FROG
When he drinks the hard stuff…mostly he’s a wino…
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
6:08 pm
Famous last words uttered at Versailles.
Let them eat silicone.
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:09 pm
WELCOME
“… Though I’m told I shouldn’t…it won’t help”
There, finished it for you!
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:09 pm
josef
I thought he was smarter
than you…
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
6:09 pm
B. Boys — “You gotta fight, for your right, to paaaaarty!”
Not any more, you’re not. One of the three died this year.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:11 pm
josef
you are aware that gin was
created to drink with
English cuisine…
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
6:11 pm
It must really suck to be this guy. He has lawsuit written all over that letter. I’m not gonna disparage him, as he has a right to his own opinions, but if he is truly the “businessman” that he claims, he would have known better than to write such an effed up letter.
If I were in the market for a timeshare, his company wouldn’t get a second of my attention if that is the way he views and treats his employees. He’ll go broke waiting to get money from me.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:12 pm
josef
and then they added
quinine water to improve
the taste…
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
6:12 pm
GT- Communities use to keep these nuts in a closet, you heard your parents talk about them at the dinner table, now they are front and center. Nut balls are the in thing, at least with other nuts.
“When the going gets tough, the weird go pro”
Hunter S Thompson
Pretty much sums up the last 4 years.
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:12 pm
Obviously he’s anti-gay…no self-respecting queen would ever go for that interior decorating, and look at her hair…
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
6:13 pm
Ha! I resemble that, josef!
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
6:14 pm
indigo
October 9th, 2012
5:23 pm
It’s hard to know which is the most contemptable, this filthy rich man poor-mouthing to his employees and threating layoffs or his gold-digging wife who wouldn’t give him the time of day if he was a middle-class wage earner.
________________________________________________________________
If we follow your logic, NONE of the middle class men on this blog have attractive wives.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:14 pm
I like this guy as a taxpayer.
Just raise his rate.
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:14 pm
FROG
Not even gin and tonic can make English food palatable…bleeeach!
The French have 100 sauces and one religion, the English have 100 religions and one sauce.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 9th, 2012
6:14 pm
Well, all I know is, if the missus set on my lap like that, my legs and hips would be in a plaster cast for a year—after the surgery to remove the bone splinters, that is.
pogo
October 9th, 2012
6:16 pm
And at this point in the campaign all Obama and Axlerod have left in their bag of tricks are childish Chicago style political attacks (i.e. “Liar, Liar, pants on fire!”). I have also seen it quoted again and again by the shallow liberals here. Obama has the audacity to call Romney a liar when the reality is that basically everything he promised the American people in 2008 was a lie. His “Hope and Change” was a total lie. He carried through with very little of it even though he had a democrat controlled congress for two years of it and what he did get passed, which was his signature legislation Obamacare, was done against the wishes of the American people. Big employers nationwide are now looking at how they can avoid Obamacare by cutting back the hours employees work to less than 30 hours per week and small business owners are looking at how they can keep their employee numbers to less than 50. Yea, that was one great piece of legislation. And in the process, he built in massive decreases in Medicaire spending for the elderly to support those young and more productive citizens (he thinks) that didn’t have healthcare coverage. What Obama did was to cut the throat of those few of us who are still willing to work and he has destroyed any hope for those out there that want to work but can’t find a decent job with decent benefits. And he screwed the elderly bigtime. Waiting lines at the doctors office and denial of medicaire benefits are just around the corner for the them. At this point they cannot even conceive of this but beginning in 2013, they are going to see. Unless of course Obamacare is repealed and a real healthcare law is written.
The Snark
October 9th, 2012
6:18 pm
OMG! David Siegel is … John Galt! He’s going on strike! Mitt, please save us!
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
6:20 pm
and then they added
quinine water to improve
the taste…
Actually, the gin and tonic was invented for malaria prophylaxis. The quinine in the tonic water helps to prevent malaria, not that well but it does help.
The Snark
October 9th, 2012
6:21 pm
Hey Pogo:
I work pretty hard. According to my last tax return, I’ve even become one of the coveted 3%! And I just looked in the mirror, and guess what …
My throat has not been cut, by President Obama or anyone else!
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:22 pm
pogo
you want Romney to
write a new healthcare
law even though he
wrote Obamacare.
Didn’t he get it right?
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:22 pm
I’d say the tacky old f*rt ought to treat his woman like a Muslim, myself
http://www.timesofindiatravel.com/india-travel-times/tajmahal.jpg
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
6:22 pm
Well, I think the answer to all this is obvious. We need a new tax system to confiscate his wealth, or at least a large part of it. And pass laws limiting the number of bathrooms and kitchens in a single abode. And what about his carbon footprint — outrageous!
Everyone knows EVERY penny he earned was STOLEN from someone else.
Social justice! Shared prosperity! Fairness for all!
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
6:22 pm
pogo: Obama has the audacity to call Romney a liar when the reality is that basically everything he promised the American people in 2008 was a lie.
When you have to lie to make a point, you don’t really have a point to make. As I recall, he promised healthcare overhaul, and he delivered on that promise. That, in effect, makes YOU a liar.
Give it a rest. It’s obvious that you are not going to convert anybody to your run-on sentence and paragraph way of thinking. Give our eyes a break, please?
bob
October 9th, 2012
6:22 pm
Let’s worry about the rich guy and ignore how libs screw up our schools. Beverly fraud’s replacement at APS schools is on the hot seat for firing 4 teachers that the parents like and replacing them with 8 central office administrators until new teachers start. First, we don’t need power plays by gov hacks. Second, how many central office admin positions are filled but not needed. If these 8 can leave the central office to fill positions in the class then that is money not spent on kids. Libs run APS and you people want to whine about a rich guy.
Mr. Snarky
October 9th, 2012
6:23 pm
This guy is proof that a bunch of money doesn’t keep you from being a doofus.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:23 pm
Don’t Forget
that is josef, fighting that
malaria daily…
getalife
October 9th, 2012
6:24 pm
Miss Universe looks like a stripper I dated.
Very high maintenance.
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:24 pm
“I’d see my wife, my Golde, looking like a rich man’s wife, with a proper double chin.”
–Reb Thomas Tevye Jefferson
BRW
October 9th, 2012
6:26 pm
I’ve seen a few of “those” employees working at time shares. Who’s willing to bet he keeps a few of them ILL-LEGALS employed? Hmmmmmm?
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:28 pm
josef
double chin, double stomach, double your
pleasure, double your fun
with double good, double
good buns- Thomas
Jeffersin Wrigley
SHUT UP
October 9th, 2012
6:28 pm
Jay has never met payroll before.
Jay has never employed anyone before.
Jay has never created a product before.
Jay is a second rate op-ed writer for a failed newspaper.
The end.
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
6:29 pm
I guess money doesn’t buy happiness after all. This guy ain’t happy. Jack Welch ain’t happy since he up and quit his pundit gig. Mitt Romney ain’t happy, and he made more money unemployed than probably the combined payroll of many a small business across America.
That’s why I don’t want to have that kind of lifestyle. Give me my household income now with my current financial status, and I am as happy as Gallagher at a watermelon stand.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
6:30 pm
Is that a meatball in her hand or his?
No Name Required or Not
October 9th, 2012
6:30 pm
bob
Nope. What’s going on there is coming from the “run it like a business” jive turkey brought in. This is what you get when you start to run the schools like a corporation, you know, conservatives….
Mary
October 9th, 2012
6:30 pm
How dare he try to persuade his employees on how to vote by threatening their jobs! Employees…vote your own way and please no one but yourself. If he folds someone else will purchase his properties. You’ll still have a job!
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
6:31 pm
The irony is that without TARP we all would have lost a lot but the wealthy would have lost much much more than average people because they had so much to lose.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:31 pm
Brosephus
this guy may not have
happiness but he’s really
pursuing it..
Mr. Snarky
October 9th, 2012
6:33 pm
So if he thinks he can make money off an investment, he’s not going to make that investment just to prove a political point. He’s going to cut off his nose to spite his face. Yeah right. I don’t think so.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
6:33 pm
“More money more problems” Biggie.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:33 pm
josef @6:30
o.k.
YouLibs
October 9th, 2012
6:38 pm
I couldn’t care less about how much money people have, but when I see an obese person, I get so, so, so jealous. I literally see red and start thinking that it should have been me eating all that food instead of them. If they’re over 400 pounds, all I can think of is that I want to go into their house, empty their pantry and redistribute those calories to people like me who are only a few pounds over their ideal weight.
Yes, it’s adipose envy and I’m not ashamed to admit it.
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
6:41 pm
GT
October 9th, 2012
6:05 pm
I can’t connect the dots.
__________________________
Synapses either from the looks of your post.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
6:41 pm
Sandwich: “Well, I think the answer to all this is obvious. We need a new tax system to confiscate his wealth, or at least a large part of it”
Exactly!
You’re learning, Sandwich. You’re learning.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
6:41 pm
Really, who cares what some fat gasbag opines about?
His opinion is no more useful than Joe the Plumber’s…
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
6:43 pm
I was wondering who would be the first to call her a *whore* without knowing ANYTHING about her.
GT @ 6:05 took care of that.
Rush said stop stealing his bit.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
6:43 pm
mitt will help him but mitt is lying about helping the middle class.
His campaign is a joke and our President is treating him like a joke.
YouLibs
October 9th, 2012
6:46 pm
ThatBlackGuy
I think she loves him despite all that money, don’t you?
N-GA
October 9th, 2012
6:46 pm
So he will lay people off if his taxes go up. SMART BUSINESSMAN! Obviously he doesn’t need them anyway! The demands of the business will dictate his staffing levels.
He is either a liar or he is stupid. I believe he is both, and a hypocrite to boot!
atljack
October 9th, 2012
6:48 pm
Jay,
The guys’ company almost went under when W. Bush was President and then recovered while Obama has been in office.
So it makes no sense what he is saying. He did badly under Bush and great under Obama but says if Obama is reelected he’ll have to retire?
This is a sad, sad person who is trying to fool his employees into voting for his candidate.
This is about as un-American act as I can think of.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
6:48 pm
getalife, so who is Joe the Plumber?
NiF? DrainTheSwamp? AJCwhateverhisfacewas?
His “I’m off to go eat my steak” style looks exceedingly familiar.
In a way though bro, I’m kinda bummed.
Knowing that Filky is Andy blows.
I loved b*tchslapping Filky. But Andy? I just don’t have the heart to torture him anymore. (He’s paid his dues to society!)
pogo
October 9th, 2012
6:48 pm
More recent evidence of the Obama campaign’s desperation is the “Big Bird” attack. Have they actually sunk to this level? Now even the producers of Sesame Street are telling Obama to lay off and not use them in his desperate attempt to use them as his campaign patsies. My God, how low can a candidate go and does the man have any pride at all? Apparently, Obama is willing to go very low since he has absolutely nothing else to run on. Then again, he could try and “Wag the Dog” and bomb Iran before the election. I wouldn’t doubt he would do this. With Obama and Axlerod, there is no threshold as to how low they are willing to go even if it means massive amounts of American taxpayer money and American lives. He is desperate and he should be. The American people are waking out of their stupor and are starting to realize what a real moron was elected in 2008.
Andy Miller
October 9th, 2012
6:50 pm
Company stronger than it has been since 2008, now able to restart work on his “palace” Versailles. And yet, like so many others can’t bring himself to support Obama. Better than he have only 500 million and a welfare queen not get food stamps, than for him to have a billion and the welfare queen eat a steak. They believe the cheaters are all at the bottom when the truth is the bottom cheaters get chump change next to those at the top who bilk the system every day. Those really in need who get caught in his and Mitt’s notion that 47% of the country are moochers be damned.
JD
October 9th, 2012
6:52 pm
Opulence, I has it.
Good for him.
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
6:52 pm
If I were Mr. Siegel, I would hope that those magnificent hooters on my trophy wife were real and not plastic. If, indeed, Mr. Siegel started his company out of his garage, as he says, he deserves a certain respect, even from Bookman. If Bookman doesn’t like 23 bedrooms, so be it. Maybe Mr. Siegel and that blond he is married to, does. Last time I looked, it was a free country, and everyone has a right to buy whatever they please,if they can afford it. I would venture that Mr. Siegel and that specimen he calls a wife, have put those 23 bedrooms to good use. Why, in your wildest dreams, does anyone think they have a “right” to one dime of Mr. Siegel’s money? After he pays his taxes legally, it is all his. This whole thread is from outer space……. insane.
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
6:53 pm
YouLibs
October 9th, 2012
6:46 pm
ThatBlackGuy
I think she loves him despite all that money, don’t you?
_________________________________________
Not my place to judge her.
Just like I don’t judge the welfare queens at Whole Foods buying prom dresses and lobster with foodstamps.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
6:54 pm
Looking at that adorable couple, do you think that that “enhanced” woman would even look twice at that guy if he didn’t have a big, thick, full, throbbing ………………………………………………… wallet?
atljack
October 9th, 2012
6:54 pm
To “You Libs”.
Conservatives get this “rich envy” completely wrong. Liberals love truly rich people like Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs and Billy Gates. Why? Because they EARNED their money by creating good products or providing services that help people.
Liberals dislike rich people like this guy Siegel because a) he is mean-spirited b) ostentatious and c) his company has dubious business practices.
Few people in America dislike rich people unless the rich people are lowlifes (like birther-baiter Donald Trump)
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:55 pm
Jamvet
seems like doom and
hairy callousedhand were
big on steak ..
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:56 pm
KAYAKER
“This whole thread is from outer space……. insane.”
And so is what prompted it…
moonbat betty
October 9th, 2012
6:57 pm
I guess Bookman wants to help Obama fan the flames of class warfare.
From a business standpoint, Siegle is is not wise to write such a letter and I don’t doubt he could be a real jerk., but that’s not our problem.
There are lots of jerks in the world.
josef
October 9th, 2012
6:58 pm
altjack
I would agree with that…
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
6:58 pm
Big Bird was brought into
the political arena by….
Mitt Romney.
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
6:59 pm
And I don’t care what any of ya’ll say about her.
I’d hit it.
Donovan
October 9th, 2012
7:00 pm
Oh, my! Am I reliving the Russian Revolution brought on by the stimulus of Obama circling the drain?
Do I dare say that Jay Bookman has finally exposed himself and peeled back the onion layers of suppressed Marxist doctrine?
Are lower level operatives in Team Obama beginning to explode?
Stay tuned. This downward slide of the Democratic Party is like the last days of the Hitler regime. The propaganda machine run by Josef Goebbels churned out more and more incredulous misinformation to keep the people dumbed-down.
Class warfare is always a convenient fall-back position when everything else fails. Marx did it. Stalin did it. Mao did it. Ho Chi Minh did,it. Castro did it. Kim II-sung did it. Hugo Chavez did it. Evo Morales did it. Daniel Ortega did it.
We saw the complete melt down of Air America principals after the first Bush victory. We saw the news of leftists seeking professional help in dealing with the second victory of GW. I say to you exploding heads to get a hold of yourselves. Take a deep breath and smell the sweet breeze of Romney revival. Help is on the way.
moonbat betty
October 9th, 2012
7:00 pm
“Big Bird was brought into
the political arena by….
Mitt Romney.
Honey Boo Boo was brought by the liberals.
Cage fight! Big Bird vs. Honey Boo Bool
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:00 pm
josef
atljack and altjack are
different at least altjack is.
Kyle
October 9th, 2012
7:01 pm
That guy is such a douche bag…I work 50 hours a week just to make ends sorta meet and that moron really believes that the poor should be taxed even more? He can retire now and live in the Bahamas on the beach and hes bitching about paying a little tax…that’s a perfect example of why most people hate rich people. Not because they have money or a beautiful gold digging wife or husband that is trying to off them at every chance but because they are so cheap and stingy that they wouldn’t spare a dollar to save hundreds of people lives. I can only hope he gets what he deserves or at least breaks a hip.
That Black Guy
October 9th, 2012
7:01 pm
Heading home.
josef, I left you and DDR a little ditty at the end of the last thread.
YouLibs
October 9th, 2012
7:01 pm
I agree with every word you said kayaker, those liberal wealth enviers never know when to stop. My problem, though, is with fat people getting more food than me. I have had to go to work for forty years now while they stay at home and draw welfare so they can eat little debbies and drink Mountain Dew all day. I keep working off all my fat doing physical labor just so I can pay the taxes that allow them to get their Baconators for free.
That should’ve been me having that heart attack at the Heart Attack Cafe in Vegas.
I can’t help it, I am doomed to envy their excess.
I curse the unfairness of this life.
TM
October 9th, 2012
7:02 pm
I wonder id Jay cares about Richard Trumka living fat and rich off his workers pay checks.
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
7:02 pm
Meanwhile, Bill Gates, that staunch liberal patriarch from Washington State, has some digs that would probably rival Mr. Siegel’s house. Appraised value of this limousine liberal’s home is pegged at 150M and change and his yearly property tax bill is close to 1M dollars. Both of them started out of their garage but Siegel is a conservative. That makes all of the difference, does it not? All of the evil rich 1%ers who pay most of the taxes in this country are to be demonized…….. but only if they are Republicans.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:02 pm
That Black Guy
me too. in each bedroom
or until i died.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
7:02 pm
“This whole thread is from outer space……. insane.”
You’re right, K71, what is the point of this blog? Did that daily DNC conference call instruct Jay and his robotic peers to start ridiculing successful rich people?
Oh wait, ridicule?
Alinsky 101.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
7:03 pm
Wow!
That kind of money entitles him to what ever abode he can afford.
That kind of money doesn’t entitle him to write such a coercive email, although it’s painfully obvious that kind of money has given him the sense of entitlement that he can buy anything/anyone.
Maybe he can.
josef
October 9th, 2012
7:06 pm
TBG, FROG
She already done been hit with the scaggy stick!
TBG
Checking it out now…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
7:07 pm
This downward slide of the Democratic Party is like the last days of the Hitler regime. The propaganda machine run by Josef Goebbels…
Godwin’s Law, proven yet again.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:09 pm
josef
and they brew alcohol
for just such an occasion
and if that fails paper bags..
josef
October 9th, 2012
7:09 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:11 pm
You Libs
go to mcdonalds..
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
7:14 pm
Kamchak, 7:03.
If he made only 30K/yr, he still has the right in this country, to write any e-mail he wishes, as long as he is not breaking the law. It’s called opinion……. a thing that I am reminded most every day on this blog. It’s not about the money….. it is more about the envy. Don’t tell me that in their heart of hearts, most of the posters on this blog wouldn’t think a little about chasing that blond honey from one bedroom to another if they could keep it up. Face it, you are just pissed off that some pot-bellied conservative rich white guy, who represents everything that liberals hate, can get away with this.
YouLibs
October 9th, 2012
7:15 pm
kayakr
Ever heard of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation? They are slightly less self-absorbed than your buddy up above.
Bill Gates changed the world forever by expanding human capacity in manifold ways. He’s still shy and nerdy.
USMC
October 9th, 2012
7:15 pm
Doctor Zhivago Trailer 1965
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAWrXTn5Www
One of the great movies of all time for “Pasha” Bookman and the gang.
Z
October 9th, 2012
7:17 pm
It takes all kinds, not my kind human, but to each his own. This human needs to remember though, what comes around, goes around no matter how wealthy you are.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
7:20 pm
Meanwhile, Bill Gates, that staunch liberal patriarch from Washington State, has some digs that would probably rival Mr. Siegel’s house.
Wow, you completely missed the point. Show me where Bill Gates threatened his employees if they didn’t vote a certain way and then you’ll have a point. Otherwise you’re just taking up space.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:20 pm
Does anyone believe any
employee paid any attention
or that the 1000 who
stroked his ego told the
truth ?
They BOTH suck
October 9th, 2012
7:22 pm
Don’t Forget
What’s up? Don’t recall seeing you on lately. Hope all is well with you and yours.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
7:23 pm
K71 — “If he made only 30K/yr, he still has the right in this country, to write any e-mail he wishes, as long as he is not breaking the law.”
Slow down.
Stop.
Go back to the beginning of the thread.
Read forward SLOWLY.
Find the parts you missed.
Your Mom
October 9th, 2012
7:23 pm
If you have money – you invest in things like resorts and you manipulate people to actually do the hard work – what an ass thsi guy is – leave the country already Westgate Resorts will probably be declaring bankruptcy like the corporate welfare child that it always has been – privatize the profits socializa the losses thats the doucebagle mantra
TM
October 9th, 2012
7:24 pm
What the heck is going on at North Atlanta High School??
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
7:25 pm
We pay state taxes, federal taxes, property taxes, sales and use taxes, payroll taxes, workers compensation taxes and unemployment taxes. I even have to hire an entire department to manage all these taxes
He lies. His corporation pays all of this. HE pays on his salary and his dividends. Funny how these “corporate people” forget who they are…. well except when they are writing emails whining and threatening because they dont want to pay more taxes despite getting the lion’s share to the benefits for his “corporate person”.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
7:26 pm
Siegel does look preggers
Jm
October 9th, 2012
7:27 pm
Tm
My guess: interim principal did or said something racist
Complete guess tho
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
7:27 pm
If he made only 30K/yr, he still has the right in this country, to write any e-mail he wishes, as long as he is not breaking the law.
If he is coercing his employees how to vote, then I believe a judge might see it more than just “opinion.”
Don’t tell me that in their heart of hearts, most of the posters on this blog wouldn’t think a little about chasing that blond honey from one bedroom to another if they could keep it up.
Unlike you, I won’t presume to speak for anyone other than myself, but no — I would not be one to chase her around. I prefer brunettes.
Face it, you are just pissed off that some pot-bellied conservative rich white guy, who represents everything that liberals hate, can get away with this.
“Pissed off” and “hate” requires far more passion than you or this asshat David Siegel deserve.
Krystal'sBalls
October 9th, 2012
7:28 pm
It is attitudes like this guy’s, that will find people like him in the U.S. strung up before long if the climate in this country doesn’t change. And I’m not just talking about people who simply “have money”. You mark my words. It’s all in the air, and not inconceivable at all.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 9th, 2012
7:28 pm
Who could possibly want a house that big. Not me even if I had the cash.
josef
October 9th, 2012
7:28 pm
Dont Forget
Yeah, where have you been?
Bud Wiser
October 9th, 2012
7:28 pm
I wonder how much she cost …………. for medical enhancements, that is.
His most attractive feature to her has to be the size of his …. wallet.
Good goin’ if you can get ‘em.
UPGRAYEDD
October 9th, 2012
7:29 pm
Siegel would be nothing without the blood, sweat and toil of his employees. His disdain for them and his self-aggrandizement are precisely what makes him the least sympathetic figure in this entire scenario.
The fact that he has a track record of mixing politics with his employees’ livelihood is enough to make this distorted turd of a capitalist an enemy of the state.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
7:29 pm
Jamvet 6:54 trophy wife envy
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:30 pm
Keep up
he just pays what any
self employed person or
corp pays and he will write
off much of the house
and let us help him pay
for it.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
7:31 pm
TBS, good to see you too. I’ve been working too much to post the last couple of months. All is well for the most part. Thanks for asking.
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
7:33 pm
Don’t Forget, 7:20,
Then why even post a thread like this if not to inflame the liberal have nots who would criticize most anything about Siegel. A guy like this, in liberal eyes, is the enemy. He represents most everything that liberals hate….. being white, fat, having some kind of 20 something honey, making all that money, living in the largest residential house in the country, not wanting to share it any of this wealth with anyone, gettin’ all that nookie….. why, that dirty SOB should be drawn and quartered.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
7:33 pm
“most of the posters on this blog wouldn’t think a little about chasing that blond honey ”
Hell, I wouldn’t even turn my head to watch her leave the room
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:34 pm
Don’t Forget
Restructuring to contend
with Obamacare ?
iRun
October 9th, 2012
7:34 pm
josef – are you using the code-word version of uppity or the Merriam-Webster version? I can and have been accused of the MW version, and rightly so. I do, in fact, take a great deal of pride in my privileged upbringing and old heritage. At the same time, I don’t believe this makes me inherently superior to other human beings. And my international travels have only entrenched me further in that belief.
And, no, the plight of the gay Ugandan is not improved. It is, however, a gorgeous country with food that will certainly remind you of soul food, uncoincidentally.
@kayaker – I am sure your response regarding the different in Mr Seigel and Mr Gates is predicated upon the likely fact you’re not aware of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which is controlled by Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett. It is the single largest private beneficiary in the world, and certainly an important contributor to The Global Fund, HIV and TB research, amongst other endeavors to increase the quality of life of people across the globe.
I say this with much admiration despite the fact I am in disagreement with many of the Foundation’s positions.
It is not admirable for a man with such a house to poor mouth to his employees. At the understated least it’s in poor taste.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
7:34 pm
I wonder what kind of return policy there is on those bewbz of hers.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
7:35 pm
…having some kind of 20 something honey…
She is 46.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
7:37 pm
I wonder what kind of return policy there is on those bewbz of hers.
Divorce papers.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:38 pm
Doggone/GA
i bet you would watch her
leave the room but not
for the same reason I
would…its a woman thing..
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
7:38 pm
Josef, working an awful lot. Not sure the new job will work out. My schedule is radically different than what they told me (for the worse of course), they’ve shorted me over $2000 in NET pay already and they’re more than 30 days overdue in providing the benefits they promised. I dont think I even have health insurance right now and I’m getting close to looking for a lawyer.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
7:39 pm
“She is 46″
I never was any good at guessing people’s ages. I thought she looked older than that.
BRW
October 9th, 2012
7:40 pm
YAKKER69, Keep up please. The point of this story is not envy, though I believe you are envious of many free-thinking ideas spouted on this page. The point of this story is that this A-Hat is threatening his employees, the people that got him to where he is financially (remember….You didn’t build that???), to vote a certain way or lose jobs. Basic logic, even for someone as narrow minded as you, says this is wrong and EXTREMELY Un-American.
UPGRAYEDD
October 9th, 2012
7:40 pm
K71
You are dead wrong in your characterization of liberal envy of this self-congratulating one-dimensional SOB. I happen to vote liberal and I work my fool A off and have since I was 15. Over the years, I have acquired some wealth and aspired to work for more of it. I have employed as many as 20 in my organization and have always recognized them as the cornerstone of my success. Without them, I’m a one man shop and my wealth acquisition is limited accordingly. This miserable excuse for a capitalist believes that he, and he alone, has worked the hours and put in the time to become the Great David Siegel. Poppycock. It would do him right if every single one of his employees left their jobs simultaneously, and no one moved in to fill in the vacuum it created. Goodbye Mr. Siegel. Goodbye success.
Mr. Siegel owes his standing to his employees, to his country, and to his own incredible work ethic. Problem is, he only views one of those three contributors as the source of his success. That’s what pizzes me off. I don’t envy him. I despise him.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
7:40 pm
“i bet you would watch her leave the room”
You’d lose that bet.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
7:41 pm
Jm at 7:29,
JamVet envy.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
7:42 pm
Frog, I am sure he would never hold lavish parties there and claim they are business expenses.
It is interesting to note that he does not claim that he needs a great tax break to “create jobs”, he just threatens that if taxed more, he just might take his ball and go home.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
7:42 pm
No Kayaker, the central point is about his using his power as an employer to politically intimidate his employees. The parts about his wealth and success merely serve to disprove the notion that Obama has been harmful to him or his business and they do so quite convincingly.
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2012
7:44 pm
if it’s true that “even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company,”
well, it’s not true, of course.
and as for this guy, I think Radiohead put it best: “When I am king, you will be first against the wall.”
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
7:45 pm
Kamchak, 7:35,
How can this non-caring right wing idiot even think about marrying someone at least 20 yrs his junior and still have the audacity to state that he wants to keep what he made and not share it with anyone? Gates has chosen go give most of his money away, just as has Bernie Marcus who founded Home Depot but these are decisions that each individual has to make for themselves. It is absolutely no one’s business what Mr. Siegel does with his money. It he wants to start a fire in one of his living rooms and burn the whole lot, it is no one’s business but his. It’s that way in a free society.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
7:45 pm
I never was any good at guessing people’s ages. I thought she looked older than that.
Oh dear, that means she was rode hard and put up wet.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
7:45 pm
I wouldn’t be so 100% certain gates is a liberal
Shatikey
October 9th, 2012
7:47 pm
“Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, “democracy” will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
Right there^^^. If you’d like to live in a worker’s paradise where the pie is sliced equally for all move to Cuba (Cuber) or North Korea, look how well it’s worked for them.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
7:47 pm
“Oh dear, that means she was rode hard and put up wet.”
Well, there is that…but there’s also that it’s hard work trying to look younger than you are…and sometimes it does backfire!
TaxPayer
October 9th, 2012
7:47 pm
Colbert did a good segment on the PITY Party the other day.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:47 pm
Keep
his ball is in her court so
he is just bsing.
Wilbur
October 9th, 2012
7:48 pm
Jay wants your money. He needs you to pay for his saviors mistakes. Jay is full of the anger, hatred and envy that fills so much of the left. The fact that you have dared to publicly call out the Chosen One will makes you in his twisted mind a legitimate target of hatred and scorn.
Jay, like his Savior, has no idea of where jobs come from. Poor man thought that Obama’s policies would bring us utopia instead of unending jobless misery. Envy, hatred and greed are hardly virtues but seem to be all the left has to offer.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
7:48 pm
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
7:34 pm
Don’t Forget
Restructuring to contend
with Obamacare ?
Nope, has nothing to do with that. Honestly, it looks more like total incompetence and indifference to me.
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
7:49 pm
And I don’t care what any of ya’ll say about her.
I’d hit it.
I can’t say the same. First, I’ve gotta know if Fonda has a motor in the back of her Honda…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY84MRnxVzo
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
7:49 pm
Jm, re your 7:45 are you deranged?
Seriously.
That you write the stuff that you do here on a daily basis leaves little doubt…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
7:50 pm
How can this non-caring right wing idiot even think about marrying someone at least 20 yrs his junior and still have the audacity to state that he wants to keep what he made and not share it with anyone?
Strawman. I made none of those assertions.
Gates has chosen go give most of his money away, just as has Bernie Marcus who founded Home Depot but these are decisions that each individual has to make for themselves.
More strawmen, I made no point about Messrs Marcus and gates.
It is absolutely no one’s business what Mr. Siegel does with his money. It he wants to start a fire in one of his living rooms and burn the whole lot, it is no one’s business but his. It’s that way in a free society.
And I never said he couldn’t.
All that you have posted here are strawmen.
UPGRAYEDD
October 9th, 2012
7:50 pm
According to monticello.org, Jefferson never said such a thing. Another right wing imaginary quote attributed to a founding father. Deplorable.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
7:50 pm
K71
I agree
He may be classless
That’s not illegal in America
Thank god
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
7:51 pm
Meat, with that made up Jefferson reference, the same question applies to you.
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
7:51 pm
Jay wants your money.
Geez, the stupid is so strong that it’s overflowing in excess. People don’t even bother to read before unleashing their jackassery upon us all. Never mind that HUGE coercive email in Jay’s essay. Damn, please be sure to try to get oxygen to that one working brain cell you have left. I’d hate for DFACS to come visit you for brain cell abuse.
Jerome Horwitz
October 9th, 2012
7:52 pm
Envy this guy? Why? Yeah – he spent his life working hard and has a boat load of money. He’s on his third wife, probably missed his kids growing up. I think he’s pathetic.
Fortunate to have a good job with a firm who values their employees and their desire for balance in their life. Wouldn’t trade palce with this asshat for one of the 23 bedrooms.
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
7:53 pm
Don’t Forget, 7:42,
You ignore the fact that most of the SEIU has intimidated, cajoled and involuntarily taken contributions from union employees to vote for their candidate. I don’t criticize them for it. I think that it is wrong, but under the present laws, they have every right to express themselves to any of their employees that they please. Please save us the diatribe about how employers and unions manage their employees to do exactly as they wish. They are just not Republicans.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
7:53 pm
Jamvet the deranged
What is so loco about that statement
Lots of people are moderates
Tell me why you’re 100% certain he’s a liberal
Only ideologues live in a world of 100% certainty
iRun
October 9th, 2012
7:55 pm
Jm is correct, I would not classify Mr Gates as a liberal. However, his father certainly is.
And, to point, Jay’s point is this man, who is engaging in excess conspicuous consumption, which is his right no matter how tasteless, is issuing a thinly veiled threat to his subordinates.
He’s morally bankrupt for doing so, not to mention potentially illegal. And he’s gone beyond distasteful into full-blown disgusting for his narcissism.
Loretta Paraguassu
October 9th, 2012
7:55 pm
Wait! I saw this story before. This is a Romney advertisement. The last version this guy and his happy spending younger wife were building their tasteless Versaille. Then, he went broke and they had to abandon Versaille. Now, he is spouting the Republican line. Don’t buy it! This story is a fake.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
7:55 pm
“Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, “democracy” will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
Round 2
“Enough is enough! I have had it with these mother-f*cking snakes on this mother-f*cking plane!”
– Thomas Jefferson
YouLibs
October 9th, 2012
7:56 pm
Keep puttin’ that lipstick on that pig, kayaker. You betcha.
YouLibs
October 9th, 2012
7:57 pm
Wink.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
7:57 pm
Hey Jerome — I saw a story on CNN where a rugby player lot his testicle at Old Trafford last weekend.
Gotta be some bad karma hanging around that pitch for a while.
iRun
October 9th, 2012
7:59 pm
Please excuse my poor sentence structure. I was distracted by an 11-year-old Tasmanian Devil.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:00 pm
Oh jamvat
Where’s you’re answer?
YouLibs
October 9th, 2012
8:01 pm
Wilbur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmnAX1j0P_k
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
8:03 pm
Jm, why?
I could list a hundred facts, quotes, links, etc; they would not phase you in the slightest. You would just do what you always do when your vast ignorance is exposed – ballerina off to some other delusion.
You are just another Republican who is immune to said facts, truths and realities.
Educate yourself instead of making up out of thin air batsh*t crazy stuff up like that all the time.
Or don’t.
Either way, it is great comedy reading your stuff…
For the non-batsh*t crazies here, a quote from the arch-conservative (LOL!).
Well the United States has a huge budget deficit, so taxes are going to have to go up. And I certainly agree that they should go up more on the rich than everyone else. That’s just justice.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
8:03 pm
Kayaker, what power does the SEIU have to take jobs away from it’s members if they don’t contribute or vote for a certain candidate? Can they lower the union member’s pay? And why don’t you get upset when corporations use their shareholder’s profits for political purposes.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 9th, 2012
8:04 pm
K71 — “It is absolutely no one’s business what Mr. Siegel does with his money.”
And if he doesn’t like what I have to say about it, he can KMA.
josef
October 9th, 2012
8:04 pm
iRun
The MW definition…and much agreed with what you were saying…
Thanks for a report (however not good) from Uganda on that…
iRun
October 9th, 2012
8:04 pm
oh Kamchak, thank you for that.
For others, the false attribution to Thomas Jefferson is a mutilated paraphrasing of this:
“To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, —the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it.”
Thing is, that quote was about property rights.
Mr Siegel is certainly entitled to poop in all 23 bathrooms whenever he wants. Mrs Siegel, as well. Human nature an all that.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:06 pm
Well jamvat
Here’s a fact for you
54% of his money went to democrats. 46% to republicans. Sounds like a moderate to me.
http://www.campaignmoney.com/biography/bill_gates.asp
Jamvet you lost and look like an idiot as always
iRun
October 9th, 2012
8:09 pm
Jm – in addition, Bill Gates stance on education is far out of line with the standard liberal position. Correct me if I’m wrong but his stance aligns more with conservatives on that score.
Still, his Foundation does do very important work in developing countries (we don’t say 3rd World any more, except we do since there are now several 2nd World countries in Africa).
TaxPayer
October 9th, 2012
8:09 pm
That poor guy must really be pissed off after learning that Mitt only paid 13% in federal taxes, if that much.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:10 pm
Money talks BS walks
Your BS crawls
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
8:10 pm
iRun
Several months ago, we had another to misquote TJ and I had much fun mocking that individual for many months with all sorts of made up TJ quotes. The snakes on a plane is a repeat and possibly the best one that I came up with.
It was worth a repeat.
TJ lives
October 9th, 2012
8:11 pm
“if we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.” – Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, November 29, 1802
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
8:12 pm
“Mr Siegel is certainly entitled to poop in all 23 bathrooms whenever he wants. Mrs Siegel, as well. Human nature an all that”
I wonder if Jay ever keeps count of the people who miss the point of his posts?
RF
October 9th, 2012
8:12 pm
WOW- so this guy was apparently at the luncheon where the 47% comments were presented…and clearly he believes them. This, my fellow citizens, is what America is coming to, and it ain’t pretty (unless you have the opportunity to build a 90,000 square foot house). So, you guys still happy with Mittens and his plans for the economy?
ZoSo
October 9th, 2012
8:13 pm
That’s a really nice sweater she has on.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:13 pm
IRun
I thought of making the same point
He’s far in favor of education reform, more aligned with the republican position
Same on corporate taxes, business regulation (he loves his semi monopoly)
He may be in favor of higher personal taxes, but i don’t think he is on corporate
He also is very rigorous about payback on his philanthropic work, he’s not throwing his money away
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:15 pm
Zoso
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
8:16 pm
I wonder if Jay ever keeps count of the people who miss the point of his posts?
Naw, it’d be much easier to keep track of the ones who get it.
Elbonian
October 9th, 2012
8:17 pm
This email is complete B.S. The only driver for hiring and firing by any business is demand (or lack of demand) for the products and/or services of that business. If we raise Siegel’s tax rate to 75%, the government won’t get any tax money unless Siegel makes a PROFIT after paying for his employees to provide goods and/or services to his customers. Of course, people can still make political statements by firing people even if they can still be profitably employed. But such people are actually “cutting off their nose to spite their face” as this reduces their ability to make more profit.
The real issue is whether or not the economy will grow under Obama or Romney. We can be fairly certain that Obama will continue the slow economic growth we have at present. We can’t be certain of anything that Romney promises because Romney has come down firmly on both sides of just about every important issue. But if we presume Romney follows the Republican budget plan of his running mate, Paul Ryan, we can know that the economy will tank and millions of people will become unemployed. Meanwhile, billionaires like Siegel will just have more money to invest in their businesses because they will be taxed a whole lot less.
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
8:17 pm
ZoSo, 8:13,
That’s a fact that most of the liberals on this blog lose sight of. Loosen up liberals….. this is supposed to be fun.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2012
8:18 pm
“Naw, it’d be much easier to keep track of the ones who get it”
Yeah, makes more sense!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
8:18 pm
I wonder if Jay ever keeps count of the people who miss the point of his posts?
Hell, I’d venture to guess there’s a fair percentage that don’t even read what Jay writes, much less click on his supplied links.
iRun
October 9th, 2012
8:18 pm
Kamchak – I’ve seen other TJ parody quotes and I really get a kick out of them.
Desperation is like stealing from the Mafia: you stand a good chance of attracting the wrong attention.
- Thomas Jefferson
Baseball is a game where a curve is an optical illusion, a screwball can be a pitch or a person, stealing is legal and you can spit anywhere you like except in the umpire’s eye or on the ball.
- Thomas Jefferson
Any unattended children will be given an espresso and a puppy.
- Thomas Jefferson
Those are all mis-identified. By generations.
But, I’ve seen others that are just made up and quite pointed. Great fun.
TaxPayer
October 9th, 2012
8:19 pm
Westlake Gates Resort and Spa: Ranked #189 of 331 hotels in Orlando
Definitely not the sort of place I would stay at. Perhaps those 7000 people would do better applying at WalMart. I hear WalMart offers health insurance and above minimum wage pay too.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
8:20 pm
I gotta admit that throne really cracks me up. Here’s this guy with a ton of money but not a single clue.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:23 pm
Hey jammies
You give up already?
That was easy. (courtesy of staples, partly built by Mitt Romney)
iRun
October 9th, 2012
8:23 pm
Jm – yes, I certainly agree with you here. Those are all positions of Mr Gates I disagree with. That does not cause me to throw away his contributions to those things with which I agree.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
8:24 pm
Leverage is a way of life in
Real Estate.. If he cashed
out he probably couldn’t
buy a bus ticket.
RF
October 9th, 2012
8:24 pm
Holy Cow- I just added up the square footage of EVERY place I’ve lived in 48 years, and rounded up to be generous. The total- STILL under 10,000 square feet….and no thrones involved unless you count the porcelain one I have to clean every week. And this guy is whining… Lord grant me the strength to hold in my laughter!!!
td
October 9th, 2012
8:24 pm
Sounds like he has been listening to Boortz. Meal has been telling business owners to say this to their employers for months.
Good for him. Someone needs to wake the people up and let them know decisions they make have consequences.
Since we are talking about consequences for actions, it appears that we are going to have a lot more part time workers in this country soon due to Obamacare. There are about 185,000 workers that are about to have their hours cut to 29 1/2 per week.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-darden-part-time-workers-20121007,0,1505128.story
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:25 pm
DF
Oh he has a clue.
Maybe no taste, but that’s in the eye of the beholder.
He definitely has a clue.
RF
October 9th, 2012
8:25 pm
“If he cashed
out he probably couldn’t
buy a bus ticket”
A fleet of bus companies and some good oil stock, maybe. But then, he wouldn’t need the bus ticket anyway.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
8:26 pm
Well, as Bill Clinton said about Jennifer Flowers, Jackie looks like she could suck a tennis ball through a garden hose…
Joseph
October 9th, 2012
8:28 pm
Poor Jay… I guess that debate debacle took a lot of steam out of you to resort to this tripe…….
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
8:28 pm
October 9th, 2012
8:25 pm
“If he cashed
out he probably couldn’t
buy a bus ticket”
A fleet of bus companies
and some good oil stock,
maybe. But then, he
wouldn’t need the bus
ticket anyway.
………..
Not familiar with the
Real Estate market i
guess.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:28 pm
Irun
Yep, you don’t have to love or hate someone based on a single issue or view
That’s for extremists. Like Jammie
RF
October 9th, 2012
8:29 pm
“Good for him. Someone needs to wake the people up and let them know decisions they make have consequences. ”
So, you believe Boortz and quote Heritage.org, breitbart.org, and twitchy.com. Yeah, you’re a realy Rhodes scholar there, td. Geez, doesn’t mom EVER let you out of the basement?
Bellbonne
October 9th, 2012
8:30 pm
eewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
8:30 pm
Jm
what do you think of
Connie Mack?
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:30 pm
Frog
He could probably cash out now
But not 3 years ago
RF
October 9th, 2012
8:32 pm
frog: even if he lost every real estate holding he has, you can bet, just looking at the throne, that he wouldn’t end up homeless. It’s laughable that anyone with a brain would defend someone building a house the size of a small city and sitting on a gold throne. But then, you’re ready to elect a president from that clique, so it’s understandable…hysterical!!!! Keep on- I’m enjoying the laughs!
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:33 pm
Frog
Connie Mack seems like dbag to me
Not senate material
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
8:33 pm
If I had a business and had to lay anyone off, I’d look for the idiot with an O’bozo bumper sticker to go first.
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
8:34 pm
jm
his taste is what I was saying he doesn’t have a clue about! So you refuted my point and then agreed with it, lol. But the larger point would be the fact that this guy who was clearly successful in a business has no awareness of his inadequacy in other areas. And that’s the problem with a lot of these guys. Their egos make them think they are good at everything because they are successful in something. It ain’t so.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
8:35 pm
So it appears that our greedy SOB even had to “steal” his email and model it after a fake letter.
Fake letter: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/valuedemployees.asp
But the SOB confirms he sent the email: In a bizarre twist, Siegel’s email was modeled after a fake letter that made the rounds on the internet during the last presidential election. He confirmed his own email’s authenticity in a phone call to Gawker, saying that “it speaks the truth” and gives employees “something to think about when they go to the polls.”
moonbat betty
October 9th, 2012
8:35 pm
That couple just don’t look right together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj_aMkOZYyE
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:36 pm
Sinkwich
I saw my first Obama sticker yesterday
Seen dozens of Romney stickers
td
October 9th, 2012
8:37 pm
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
8:33 pm
I told my employees to not come into my parking lot with one of those bumper stickers on their car or I would hand them a pink slip before the end of the day. Is it not great to work in a right to work state:-)
Common Sense Lacking on the Left
October 9th, 2012
8:37 pm
You libs, including Mr. Bookman, just don’t get it. First, what right do ANY of you have to determine “how much money is enough” for ANYONE to make? If they’re willing to work hard and sacrifice, the sky should be the limit. If you don’t like it, move to a country that has socialistic or communistic ideals and economies.
Now, regarding Mr. Bookman’s comments at the end of his diatribe:
“even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company,”: Anyone with a modicum of common business sense would realize that he is talking about the NET PROFITS of his business, out of which has already come his salary, and THAT is what he is using to build his dream home, which apparently you believe he shouldn’t be allowed to do unless EVERYONE can. The only thing he is guilty of here is lack of clarity.
“And if he made all the right decisions, why did he come so close to bankruptcy?” It’s called “the poor economy”. You can make ALL the right decisions, but if the economy prevents consumers from purchasing your goods or services, you’ll come close to or have to outright file bankruptcy and/or close your doors forever. Critical thinking is clearly not a part of your mental faculties
“Why does he blame government for the fact that he had to pull his eight kids out of private school? If he couldn’t support a family that large, why did he keep having children?”. First, he never says HOW many children he has, just that he had to pull his “children” (at the risk of stating what should be, but obviously is NOT obvious to you, meaning at least TWO, but not necessarily EIGHT) out of private school. It IS the government’s fault for creating the economic uncertainty revolving around taxation levels of businesses, especially with the ACA (aka ObamaCare) about to come into full force. And again, what right is it of yours to dictate how many children he should be allowed to have? Have you never made plans based on where you are now, only to have to cut back down the road when conditions changed? If you’re going to have an opinion, Mr. Bookman, you should make sure it is an INFORMED opinion instead of just regurgitating liberal rhetoric.
http://blogs.ajc.com/health-flock/2012/07/20/tax-implications-of-the-aca-%E2%80%93-just-bad-timing/
Now let me explain how the “law of unintended consequences” all you liberals just can’t seem to wrap your heads around works… If Mr. Siegel takes your vitriolic advice and retires and/or shuts down his business because of the tax burden placed on him by the current administration (or simply by the “Bush tax cuts” being allowed to expire), that’s OVER 7000 MORE PEOPLE WITHOUT A JOB! Now consider what will happen if most of those other “evil rich guys” who own businesses that you people hate so much close their doors or move their businesses elsewhere for the same reason. You got it. TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. That means no more i-Phones, internet, FOOD…
Another example: The “luxury tax” imposed in the early 90s. Luxury taxes ONLY hurt the middle class because the rich will simply not buy those items, or they will buy them out of country. Instead of raising tax revenues as the Democrats wanted you to believe, it actually had the OPPOSITE effect of putting all those middle class people making the yachts and private jets out of good paying jobs, thereby reducing the tax receipts from the wages they would have earned, while simultaneously increasing the amount of unemployment claims the government must pay out. End result: BUDGET DEFICITS!
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-06/business/fi-10780_1_boats-may-cost-boat-industry-boat-business
Stop whining and get off your lazy asses and go work like he did to make it, instead of wanting to take what he has EARNED away from him and give it to those who WON’T work. For the record, I’m not one of the 1%. I’m just a regular Joe who is trying to pay off debt incurred from MY OWN bad financial decisions over the years (for you liberals, that’s called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, something most of you refuse to accept). I am currently working 2 jobs, one of which is trying to get a commercial cleaning business going with a friend. While it probably will not make us as rich as Mr. Siegel, I hope it will someday enable me to have a better standard of life while providing decent paying jobs, and I won’t give up until I’m forced to let it go because government policies have deteriorated the business climate to the point no one can afford to pay a company to clean their facilities…
Oh, and regarding unemployment claims… nowadays most claims are granted, regardless of circumstances. I know, because a company I used to work for lost several cases that before Mr. Obama took office would have been slam dunk denials (I am friends with the office manager who informed me of such).
Jm
October 9th, 2012
8:37 pm
DF
Well he does generally have a clue
You made a pretty sweeping statement
Maybe next time be more specific
But I agree, I’m not a fan of his taste or class
getalife
October 9th, 2012
8:38 pm
jm,
Thanks to socialism, the 401k’s are back up.
Dave
October 9th, 2012
8:40 pm
I just have to say that I’m ashamed, ashamed, that I didn’t appreciate the plight of the super-rich. Gosh darn me for my insensitivity.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
8:41 pm
And the irony:
“Encouraging kindness and supporting those in need are important functions in the business of life. Westgate’s spirit of giving, volunteering, and compassion will continue as the needs continue months and years ahead.”
- David A. Siegel, President and CEO
http://westgateresorts.com/about
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
8:41 pm
http://www.vacationtimesharerentals.com/blog/20100514427/more-financial-issues-for-westgate/
……
big house for sale
getalife
October 9th, 2012
8:41 pm
I suggest the old guy to wear a looser shirt.
You see this kind of picture at strip clubs.
Lots of old guys with cash but they don’t wear tight shirts.
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
8:41 pm
Excuse me, but what in the world made this claptrap loon worthy of your attention, Jay?
td
October 9th, 2012
8:43 pm
getalife
October 9th, 2012
8:38 pm
jm,
Thanks to socialism, the 401k’s are back up.
No thank the Federal reserve for pumping all that money into the stock market.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
8:44 pm
(I am friends with the office manager who informed me of such).
(I am friends with benefits with Candice Swanepoel.)
ski2xs
October 9th, 2012
8:44 pm
Wow. . . sounds like a bunch of butthurt crybabies here need to have a waaambulance sent.
I’m right with him. . .f all you crybabies who’ll be crap out of luck on jobs once you run more of our business owners in the dirt. I’ve ran my own business and know what freeloaders like you cost.
And I bet you nutcases think that if I pay you $25 an hour that that’s it. . it’s 25 dollars an hour for me. Bunch of out of touch losers! Thank God I don’t employ anyone anymore. I’m making more money now!!
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
8:45 pm
Jay is interested in the
wealthy for comparative to improve his arguments for
higher pay..
Thomas Heyward Jr.
October 9th, 2012
8:45 pm
Unlike the collectivist Federal thugs, David Siegel will never point a gun and force anyone to do anything.
.
THAT’s the big difference ………..Bookman.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
8:46 pm
I’ve ran my own business and know what freeloaders like you cost.
I’ve ran 250,000 of my own businesses.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
8:47 pm
I think it is dumb to pick a side in business to lose half your customers but opening yourself up for a lawsuit is a new form of stupidity.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
8:48 pm
I told my employees to not come into my parking lot with one of those bumper stickers on their car or I would hand them a pink slip before the end of the day. Is it not great to work in a right to work state:-)
From the same clowns who cry out about CFA’s right to “free speech”…. and one too ignorant to know that he should be referencing a “employment at will” state. A “right-to-work” law is a statute in the United States of America that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees’ membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
8:48 pm
td,
w was a socialist for our bankers.
No strings attached.
Facts.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
8:48 pm
ski2xs
…another business failure.
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
8:50 pm
Barack Obama is not a good man. He is not trying hard. He’s not very good at this job.
Obama is not a nice guy; he is not very good at his job.
Obama is doing his best. His best just isn’t good enough; not even close.
Barack Obama can be a pleasant enough fellow. But, he’s just not very good at being President of the United States.
Even Big Bird wants nothing to do with him.
Big Bird, it seems, isn’t thrilled about his cameo in the presidential race.
The folks at Sesame Street are asking the Obama campaign to pull down a TV ad released Tuesday that mocks Mitt Romney for vowing to yank the subsidy to PBS.
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHA Things are not going well for Oblunda these days.
bman
October 9th, 2012
8:50 pm
If Mister Bookman will highlight my business, I will gladly pull a rant on, not only the people who work with me, but my customers, too.
Moreover, I will listen to Rush Limbaugh and amplify his words.
In GA. This sort of publicity would be great!
what a wa$te of money to purcha$e a time$hare
October 9th, 2012
8:51 pm
This is one funny article. I will laugh myself to sleep…everything about this is just too funny..the picture…and the email…I needed the laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RF
October 9th, 2012
8:51 pm
Common sense: 90,000 square feet??!!! Maybe I’m a simple-minded peasant, but I think anyone with that much money is quite fine and could do without at least a few kitchens. But that’s just me- don’t let realistic expectations get in your way. Just watch out for the freeloaders who will take your cardboard box under the bridge you’re given when this guy and his buddies get through with our country.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
8:52 pm
bman
email jay a picture like the
one above, maybe he will
help.
B jeezy
October 9th, 2012
8:53 pm
So the old man don’t want us 2 vote for Obama so he can finish building his home wow just what a rich selfish person would say is he going 2 let any homeless people stay in any of them many bedrooms he will have no I think not thats why i say Obama for another four years so people like this old dude should pay more taxes 2 help the people who need it don’t forget rich old guy u won’t be rich without the blood sweat an tears from regular people.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
8:53 pm
I’ve ran my own business, which is amazing considering that I could not pass seventh grade English!
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
8:53 pm
That chick has more plastic in her chest than that dude has biscuits in his belly.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
8:55 pm
td,
Also, unemployment is the responsibility of the fed so when your party blocked job bills that would work, the fed has no other choice but Qe1,2 and 3.
The gop built that and you give them a free pass.So, if you cons want blame, look in the mirror.
bman
October 9th, 2012
8:56 pm
Frog .. .. The closest I could possibly come to that would be me thumbing thru some magazine while sitting on my bathroom throne….
Gary Novak
October 9th, 2012
8:57 pm
Davis Siegel sounds like many greedy people past and present. For him to use his powerful position to intimidate his enployees into voting a certain way is appalling and sinful. Shame on David Siegel and all that he represents.
Gary Novak
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
8:57 pm
Kamchak @ 7:55
Thanks for making me spit water all over my shirt….
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
October 9th, 2012
8:58 pm
Jay, this is none of your business. This guy does not care what you think, nor should he. If his employees do not like him, they can find employment elsewhere (not a sure thing these days, however).
RF
October 9th, 2012
8:59 pm
Okay, while the absolute HILARITY of this debate is so much fun to witness, I’m just leaving it while the sensible can. I can’t believe anyone with any modicum of sense would defend this guy, but maybe you can hope for a job cleaning some of the multiple bathrooms he will build or polishing his throne. Evidently, he has polishing the crown covered, but enough about the golddigger on his lap.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
9:01 pm
The gop lost 9 million jobs and crashed your 401k’s.
It amazes me that half our country thinks so and will vote for it again.
It does not make sense and then the cons talk about logic.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
9:01 pm
Wonder if he used Obama’s
refinance plan…
BRW
October 9th, 2012
9:01 pm
Let’s try this again dimwit Conservaturds: Voter Intimidation. Period.
moonbat betty
October 9th, 2012
9:02 pm
“I’ve ran 250,000 of my own businesses.”
geez. Kam.
You be krispe kreme?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPsnWFng0w
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
9:04 pm
And some want to raise an issue about Romney’s faith…
NEW YORK – As a student at Harvard Law School, then-bachelor Barack Obama’s practice of wearing a gold band on his wedding-ring finger puzzled his colleagues.
Now, newly published photographs of Obama from the 1980s show that the ring Obama wore on his wedding-ring finger as an unmarried student is the same ring Michelle Robinson put on his finger at the couple’s wedding ceremony in 1992.
Moreover, according to Arabic-language and Islamic experts, the ring Obama has been wearing for more than 30 years is adorned with the first part of the Islamic declaration of faith, the Shahada: “There is no God except Allah.”
The Shahada is the first of the Five Pillars of Islam, expressing the two fundamental beliefs that make a person a Muslim: There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is Allah’s prophet.
Sincere recitation of the Shahada is the sole requirement for becoming a Muslim, as it expresses a person’s rejection of all other gods
Egyptian-born Islamic scholar Mark A. Gabriel, Ph.D., examined photographs of Obama’s ring and concluded that the first half of the Shahada is inscribed on it.
“There can be no doubt that someone wearing the inscription ‘There is no god except Allah’ has a very close connection to Islamic beliefs, the Islamic religion and Islamic society to which this statement is so strongly attached,” Gabriel said.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
9:04 pm
I’m betting all those tradesmen he hires is lovin’ them all that tilework, plumbing, electrical, dry walling, etc.
what a wa$te of money to purcha$e a time$hare
October 9th, 2012
9:07 pm
“There can be no doubt that someone wearing the inscription ‘There is no god except Allah’ has a very close connection to Islamic beliefs, the Islamic religion and Islamic society to which this statement is so strongly attached,” Gabriel said.
____
Maybe he can talk David Siegel into trading one of those timeshares for the ring. Which would you say has the most value?
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
9:08 pm
Jay, this is none of your business. This guy does not care what you think, nor should he.
Yet another one who makes excuses for potentially illegal action under the guise of rich people get to do what they want to do. You may as well bend over and grab your ankles if you’re going to be so submissive towards someone screwing you over. If/When it happens to you, remember, your employer can do what they want to do.
TaxPayer
October 9th, 2012
9:10 pm
Do people really fall for those timeshare thingies.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
9:11 pm
Ahem
I disagree that he is not a good man
I think he is a good guy
However, I think he’s a very mediocre President
getalife
October 9th, 2012
9:11 pm
I gave my employees time off to go vote or not.
“Well, I’m not going to lay out a piece of legislation here,” he said
“I am not going to show you my taxes” mitt.
See a trend here?
The empty chair was mitt.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
9:11 pm
the ring would not say
there is no god but Allah
if were true.
what a wa$te of money to purcha$e a time$hare
October 9th, 2012
9:11 pm
Do people really fall for those timeshare thingies.
___
a sucker is born every day.
They BOTH suck
October 9th, 2012
9:12 pm
Ahem
You are good with all these “bombshells”
keep them coming
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
9:12 pm
No wonder Ahem is too embarassed to support his “story” with a link…. Its a World Nut Daily “exclusive”. http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/?cat_orig=politics
Birther nonsense
moonbat betty
October 9th, 2012
9:12 pm
I don’t know…Unless someone can come up with an illegal activity, I don’t know if you can easily persecute this man?
It’s all relative, folks.
Krystal'sBalls
October 9th, 2012
9:13 pm
@Gary Novak = drummer?
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
9:13 pm
Jay
You selling out to Sean Hannity nowadays???
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?2432505-David-Siegel-s-email-to-his-employees
Jm
October 9th, 2012
9:14 pm
Obama may be Muslim
I don’t care
He sucks as a President
What more does one need to know?
TaxPayer
October 9th, 2012
9:15 pm
I hope those poor 7000 people have enough sense to quit. WalMart or McDonalds would be better options for them. Hell, they could probably get together and buy their own buildings in Florida on the cheap and start up a resort to compete with that idiot.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
9:15 pm
He could always pull a mitt and say, that is not what I said.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
9:16 pm
Bro
This whole blog post is nothing but Hannity Spam?!
Jay, come on man….
They BOTH suck
October 9th, 2012
9:16 pm
Ahem
td started the Rush Limbuagh’s groupie listening club
Maybe you can start the World Net Daily groupie reading club……….
Don't Forget
October 9th, 2012
9:17 pm
No thank the Federal reserve for pumping all that money into the stock market.
And the lack of jobs that followed pretty much blew Friedman’s “monetarism” out of the water.
moonbat betty
October 9th, 2012
9:17 pm
Thats what she said
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
9:19 pm
he is not very good at his job.
Says the guy who voted for Bush twice.
And would do so in four weeks again if he could…
emmy
October 9th, 2012
9:21 pm
Last time I checked he nearly went broke under a Republican president.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
9:21 pm
“I think he is a good guy”
I think he is nothing more than a Chicago thug euro-socialist who pretty much despises America.
Brosephus™
October 9th, 2012
9:22 pm
jm
I never knew Jay sold his soul to the “Dark Side”..
That does explain the rift raft though. I knew somebody left a portal open somewhere.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
9:23 pm
“And would do so in four weeks again if he could…”
Over O’bozo?
Hell, yeahhhhhhhh.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
9:28 pm
Jm
what will the Fed buying
40 billion dollars in home
mortgages do for housing
industry ?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
9:29 pm
… then-bachelor Barack Obama’s practice of wearing a gold band…
First birthers, then skewers, then jobbers and now ringers.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
9:29 pm
Frog 9:28
Help housing / bailout
In return for higher inflation later
Possibly much higher
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
9:30 pm
I heard some noise, but nothing much was said. Again!
And yes, if it was Oblunda or Bush, I would indeed go with W.
BRW
October 9th, 2012
9:32 pm
“Over O’bozo? Hell, yeahhhhhhhh”
Okay caught ya. That settles it. It’s a Troll. Not even a Rob-me fan could be this dumb.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
9:32 pm
Sink euro socialist? Yes I agree
I don’t think he hates America
But I think he is not a fan of the America we would prefer
More freedom loving, law abiding etc
Terry Hood
October 9th, 2012
9:32 pm
Jay, you are the most predictable shill for liberals. You obviously abhor anyone making more money than what you deem appropriate. This guy is very successful. If he doesn’t want to pay confiscatory taxes, he has the right to downsize as he sees fit. Of course, that assumes he owns his own company. If Obama wins a second term, his company will be nationalized given the vindictive behavior of Team Obama.
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
9:33 pm
First birthers, then skewers, then jobbers and now ringers
First clowns, then more clowns, still more clowns, and now the King O’ Clowns.
Krystal'sBalls
October 9th, 2012
9:33 pm
@Stinkwich
Let me exercise my freedom of speech if I may. The U.S. is pretty damn tough to like sometimes, if we must be totally honest about it.
BRW
October 9th, 2012
9:33 pm
“If Obama wins a second term, his company will be nationalized given the vindictive behavior of Team Obama.”
So far from the truth it has a different zip code…..
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
9:34 pm
“I would indeed go with W.”
BWAHAHAHA!!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!!
Hopeless and changeless!
Tom Middleton
October 9th, 2012
9:35 pm
My work experience was with bosses who told me what time to be at work, what to wear, how to cut my hair, when to break for lunch, etc., but not one of them, fortunately, tried to tell me how to vote.
To me, a God-given unalienable right like voting shouldn’t be taken away by someone trying to build an empire and mansion to himself, even when declaring himself a freedom-loving patriot.
I mean, the sacred right to vote IS freedom according to our Founders, what it is that’s made our country so very special and great.
And when someone like Mr. David Siegel decides that it’s his freedom alone that really matters, not that of his employees, what are we supposed to think, that he really is a patriot?
Not a chance, Jay, in this life or any other. He’s just another Republican lying flip-flop hypocrite who only cares about his wealth!
Springfield, MO worker
October 9th, 2012
9:36 pm
I worked for Westgate Resorts call center in Springfield, MO for 8 years. We got email from this monster all the time, especially during election times. He is very pushy and threatening in these emails, but never really comes out and says “do this or I’ll fire people”.
In October 2008 he shut us down and fired all of us with no warning or severance pay. Management didn’t even know about it. As a matter of fact, they had management tell employees that all was well so they would keep selling and doing customer service calls. He didn’t even pay people the sick or vacation time they had. I remember emails during that time telling us all to contact our congressmen and senators to have them vote for the bail out so we could keep all our jobs. The bailout passed, then we were still shut down. He went on to shut down centers in 2 other centers as well.
Westgate is an evil company with many devious and dishonest practices. Lies and truth stretching and omissions to future customers is a common occurrence. Unfortunately I know this because I bought in to the BS that was involved in selling an overpriced over promised over rated timeshare to people. The 3 day 2 night getaway for 99$ with a 90 minute timeshare tour that actually is a much longer high pressure sales pitch, is presented as a great deal with no pressure, is actually a terrible deal and very stressful. People are promised certain amenities and show tickets, but it all changes when you get there. I feel terrible that I sold so may of these packages.
David Siege is a bad man with no boss and no morals. Unfortunately this situation is very common all over the world. The rich lie cheat and steal and get away with it, while the poor get to live paycheck to paycheck and go to jail for much lesser crimes. The rich run things, this has always been the way. I hope I live to see this change, but I doubt it.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
9:37 pm
Jm
can you say bubble?
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
9:37 pm
Hopeless and changeless!
The title of your autobiography?
(I guess you’re here because WalMart didn’t need greeters tonight)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
9:38 pm
Clowns? from someone not even willing to identify WND as his info source for his islamophobic nonsense? WND makes Brietbart and Fox look “fair and balanced”
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
9:41 pm
islamophobic
Careful to not sprain your ankle taking such great leaps.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
9:42 pm
Frog
Yes it is perpetuating the bubble, bailing out borrowers, screwing savers, rewarding bad behavior
Whatcha gonna do?
Hey Springfield
“In October 2008 he shut us down and fired all of us with no warning or severance pay”
Maybe you remember this thing called the financial crisis that was unfolding then
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 9th, 2012
9:44 pm
Ahem, don’t worry about my ankles, I’d be more worried about the strain you would put on your head if a post like that required a brain.
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
9:44 pm
“I don’t think he hates America
But I think he is not a fan of the America we would prefer”
Perhaps it would be better to say he is simply a stranger to America…
F. Sinkwich
October 9th, 2012
9:46 pm
“The U.S. is pretty damn tough to like sometimes, if we must be totally honest about it.”
Is your real name Michelle?
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
9:46 pm
Ahem you are the nutjob major league fan of the (W)orst ever.
The man who left office with an approval rating worse than any president since record keeping began.
But you LOVED his ineptocracy. You want more!
More botched invasions! More dead GIs! More economic meltdowns!
Gawd, you Bushbots make me laugh…
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
9:47 pm
Ohio Obama Rally Features Rap Rendition of Sesame Street Theme Song
So let me get this straight; you boneheads are voting for more Obarassment?!?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
9:47 pm
Golden rings (golden ring) with one tiny little stone
Waiting there (waiting there) for someone to take you home
By itself (by itself) it’s just a cold metallic thing
Only love can make a golden wedding ring
Ringers.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
9:47 pm
Sink 9:44
Perhaps. To our America anyway.
He certainly doesn’t get the beauty of devolution of power to states
Which I prefer
Then socialist Yankees and Californians can have their socialist utopia
And the rest of us can go on living a sane normal life
Everyone is better off
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
9:49 pm
@
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
9:46 pm
Pssst…just between us; are you back on the bottle?
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
9:49 pm
Abomb, pace yourself, son.
You’ve got to get through the next four weeks without having an aneurism.
And after that, you’ll have to come up with a new blog name!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
9:49 pm
MY PRECIOUS!
Ringers.
kayaker 71
October 9th, 2012
9:51 pm
Liberals always want what someone else has, whether they earned it or not. They are petulant whiners who characterize anyone who has had the initiative and drive to accumulate wealth as a loser. All of you whiners and wannabees would like to have that little honey at your beck and call but don’t have the balls to admit it. And you would like to have all of that money that Mr Siegel has accumulated but you don’t have the gumption to work for it like he did. Just whine on and on about what a conservative jerk he is.
Krystal'sBalls
October 9th, 2012
9:53 pm
No it’s not Michelle, and while I understand that it makes you feel real good to buy that entire distortion about that soundbite, the truth of the matter is for many people that are “Americans” they have no real reason to be proud of this country. In fact, it is NO DIFFERENT than recognizing a parent is $****y parent and feeling no real pride about THEM. It really isn’t complicated at all. We have that freedom.
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
9:55 pm
“You’ve got to get through the next four weeks without having an aneurism.
And after that, you’ll have to come up with a new blog name!”
Nothing but another old-timer trying to tell others what they have to do. Maybe tomorrow night they will need you again.
Ahem
October 9th, 2012
9:57 pm
Later boys and girls. You, too, Ol’ Man.
moonbat betty
October 9th, 2012
9:58 pm
geeze, if you could harness the liberal energy that was wasted here tonight on another’s dime…
moonbat betty
October 9th, 2012
9:59 pm
GOOD GRIEF!
Springfield, MO worker
October 9th, 2012
10:00 pm
Jm. Yes I do remember the crisis. It was the way he fired all of us, not the fact that it happened. We were told we were safe by our supervisors, we all should have gotten some severance pay, or at least some warning. At minimum some compassion. We showed up for work and there was security guards there to escort us to or desks and back out. We had no notice and then minutes clear out. They were all from out of town and had zero compassion. They were rude. They lied to us, it was wrong.
Companies do down size sometimes, I understand that, but. Manners would have been appreciated.
The threatening emails for years were wrong as well. Yet I do understand that he is rich and powerful enough to do what ever he wants. Its the system that needs redesigned.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:02 pm
Wow.
Shine
October 9th, 2012
10:02 pm
boo hoo hoo….i’d quit a job that gave me a bs letter like that. @#$% him
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
10:03 pm
Fred™
MoM
ragnar danneskjold
October 9th, 2012
10:04 pm
Mr. Siegel probably anticipated that Obama’s State Department would throw Obama under the bus, over the “video caused the Libya attack” lie. Well-deserved.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:04 pm
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
10:03 pm
Fred™
MoM
+++++++++++++++
She’s been deader than a hammer for 20 years but thanks for asking.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
10:06 pm
Fred™
just another view and an
old old joke..
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
10:08 pm
Abomb is a trip.
Watching him melt down over and over again during the next four weeks should be highly entertaining…
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:08 pm
She’s still dead.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
10:10 pm
Fred™
Too bad, I know you miss
her.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:12 pm
Nope. She never liked me anyway.
Jeffrey G
October 9th, 2012
10:14 pm
Perhaps he should ask his wife to go back on the stripper circuit.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
10:14 pm
Fred™
Negative attention is better
than none. Sets the tone
for many lives.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:15 pm
Why do you need to attack his wife? She bore him 8 children did she not? She looks damn good for having 8 kids.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:15 pm
Barking Frog: I wouldn’t know. I got none.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
10:16 pm
Jeffrey G
October 9th, 2012
10:14 pm
Perhaps he should ask his
wife to go back on the
stripper circuit.
………….
Think that’s a lap dance in
the picture ?
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
10:21 pm
What do Fox News, Slate magazine, New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, Chicago Tribune and others have in common?
They reeeeeeealy pi$$ed Chavez won.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2012/10/hugo_chavez_s_presidential_victory_means_that_venezuela_will_get_much_worse_before_it_gets_better_.html
RF
October 9th, 2012
10:22 pm
“That chick has more plastic in her chest than that dude has biscuits in his belly.”
And a bad hairdo. You’d think with that kind of money, she’d put a better coiffe above the chest. She needs an episode of “What Not To Wear” just for her.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
10:22 pm
She bore him 8 children did she not?
She’s wife number two or three so I’m thinking, not.
G Mare
October 9th, 2012
10:23 pm
Fred, I missed something along the line – usually scroll thru most of the rightwingers here – but must say, if your mom is no longer with you, I am truly sorry for your loss. Both my parents have been gone for many years, but I still miss them to this day.
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
10:24 pm
Are conservatives boycotting
Citgo or are they just lip
serving hating Chavez.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:27 pm
Is she Kam? Info on them is scarce. I know she was a former beauty queen turned trophy wife but a stripper? I never read that………
Z
October 9th, 2012
10:34 pm
Time Shares, Really, Time Shares, holy molee, you can’t give those things away. I would say he made a very poor choice for a business especially since it was Bush and Republican policies that screwed up his business and he has the nerve to blame President Obama. Ha! Just another selfish Wealthy Republican, who thinks all those working people are going to taking his money. I would tell this character, I hope the door hits you in the arse on your way out to the Caribbean, and good riddance. And as long as your going take Romney with, you two make a perfect couple, he’s already set up there with his hidden stash of cash, probably as you are. Who needs enemies when we have people like this living in this country.
Dead blog
October 9th, 2012
10:34 pm
Lights out
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:36 pm
Timeshares are a borderline scam
In America though, you are (or used to be) responsible for your own decisions in lie
getalife
October 9th, 2012
10:37 pm
The headline at drudge is Big Bird.
America is laughing at mitt.
mitt is too weak to be President. Period.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:37 pm
Life
G Mare
October 9th, 2012
10:38 pm
Josef, from earlier, tasteless indeed!
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:38 pm
Getalife
Obama is a puppet of his handlers
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
10:40 pm
Fred
I didn’t say anything about a stripper (a tacky comment with no corroboration) and I think I may be wrong about the kids.
She was “the 1993 winner of the Mrs Florida America beauty pageant”, so that means she was married 19 years ago at the age of 27.
Westgate Founder and CEO David Siegel was found guilty of sexual harassment in a lawsuit brought by former Westgate employee Georgette Meyers.[4] Meyers worked for Westgate for 14 years. She claimed that Siegel offered $1 Million to have sex with her. Meyers claimed that she had to repeatedly fight off unwanted advances from Siegel, and a Florida court awarded Meyers $5.4 Million in damages in February 2008.
Seems he’s strayed a bit, too.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:44 pm
Kam: That’s the best I could find as well. Although I did see in one article that they are raising a niece. I also saw in ANOTHER article reference to a grown son, whom I imagine was not from her.
Dude has done a good job of staying off the internet.
Josh
October 9th, 2012
10:44 pm
Wouldn’t you people defending him be upset if it were a pro-Obama letter? I question your motives. The point is that it isn’t his place as an employer to be doing this. He needs to get the crap sued out of him to help prevent this type of intimidation from bosses that lean liberal or conservative. What if a silicon valley exec sent something along the same lines – but it was pro-Obama? You would be enraged, right? Just because someone ‘works’ all his life and shares the same values as your beloved political candidate is a moot point here.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:44 pm
Kam
The guy’s a dbag
Somewhat else is new?
America is full of them.
As a matter of fact, I think you live with one.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:45 pm
So what, ot somewhat
Dern autocorrect
David Shivers
October 9th, 2012
10:45 pm
Oh, that poor guy in the picture with his golden throne and younger, sexy wife in his lap. I just feel so sorry for the poor, victimized schmuck!
Fed Up
October 9th, 2012
10:45 pm
What I find amusing is how the liberal media and Obama worshippers do not see the real point of this email. There are middle class employees who could be out of a job because of the socialist agenda. Do you really think this CEO or any of the others will be hurt as much as the employees whose jobs will be lost and who in this economy, may not be able to find another? I am not one of the people that need to worry either way. I also can move to another part of the world when the going gets tough here but I know many who cannot afford to do the same. There are people who like to work, who don’t feel the government should support them and who want to WORK for their own American dream. If you would rather stay home and expect the government to take care of you, I hope you like Ramen noodles. Enjoy!
cece
October 9th, 2012
10:45 pm
…Soo sadd!! I think the blowed out balloon woman wrote the letter
Glenn
October 9th, 2012
10:45 pm
Jay, your article lit up the boards tonight. Doesn’t take much to stir the class warfare and envy crowd. Let’s take a little time to research the authenticity of the letter. The letter you attribute to David Siegel looks oddly similar to a letter scored as LEGEND on Scopes.com. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/valuedemployees.asp
Great “journalism”, JB. Do the work.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:46 pm
Josh
If he can be sued, fine
If not, oh well
Appleseed
October 9th, 2012
10:48 pm
How did all these rich get so rich before the Bush tax cuts?
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:49 pm
There are people who like to work, who don’t feel the government should support them and who want to WORK for their own American dream. If you would rather stay home and expect the government to take care of you, I hope you like Ramen noodles. Enjoy!
And I say you are full of poopy. Give me the names of “those people” you are talking about. Some addresses……..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
10:50 pm
As a matter of fact, I think you live with one.
As a matter of fact, your opinion means less to me than whale turds.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
10:50 pm
Glenn: “Jay, your article lit up the boards tonight. Doesn’t take much to stir the class warfare and envy crowd.”
Just which crowd is that, Glenn?
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:52 pm
Glenn
October 9th, 2012
10:45 pm
Jay, your article lit up the boards tonight. Doesn’t take much to stir the class warfare and envy crowd. Let’s take a little time to research the authenticity of the letter. The letter you attribute to David Siegel looks oddly similar to a letter scored as LEGEND on Scopes.com. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/valuedemployees.asp
Great “journalism”, JB. Do the work.
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Wow, so not only is Siegel a complete scumbag but he’s a plagiarist too? Who would have thought. Shame on him again…….
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:52 pm
Kam, your pal Jammies couldn’t even defend a simple point like Bill Gates is a liberal
Dude all of you über libs have no cred on this blog except ,ongst yourselves
A miserable little bunch you are
G Mare
October 9th, 2012
10:53 pm
Fred, just read where you said your mom “never liked me anyway.” Oh, the places I might go with that! But I won’t; I will only say, again, I’m sorry for your loss and her’s. So y’all can call me a pollyanna if you must, but I know I am blessed with my 3 kids & 7 grands, not to mention 3 sibs & their progeny.
And, in conclusion: Obama/Biden 2012!
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:54 pm
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:44 pm
Kam
The guy’s a dbag
Somewhat else is new?
America is full of them.
As a matter of fact, I think you live with one.
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JM? Who in Kam’s family are you calling a douche bag? That’s WAY over the top there sport.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:55 pm
Kam
Incidentally whale turds mean a lot if you step in one
Poor analogy. And as classless as Mr Siegel schmuck up above
Two of a kind, you and he, just opposite ends of the spectrum. And oh yeah, you’re a lot poorer too.
But what sucks is you really are as much of a dbag as he is.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:55 pm
G Mare
October 9th, 2012
10:53 pm
Fred, just read where you said your mom “never liked me anyway.” Oh, the places I might go with that!
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There is no place to go with that. She never got me Christmas or birthday presents, she never bought me clothes. She never attended any events I participated in. I had brothers and sisters. She did all of those things for them. It is what it is and she is dead. Nothing to worry about. She didn’t bother to come to my wedding either BTW.
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:56 pm
Fred
I was alluding to Kam’s bathroom mirror
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:57 pm
Jm
October 9th, 2012
10:55 pm
Kam
Incidentally whale turds mean a lot if you step in one
Poor analogy. And as classless as Mr Siegel schmuck up above
Two of a kind, you and he, just opposite ends of the spectrum. And oh yeah, you’re a lot poorer too.
But what sucks is you really are as much of a dbag as he is.
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So where is Jay with his little warnings when you really need him lol.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 9th, 2012
10:57 pm
And oh yeah, you’re a lot poorer too.
Only by your metric, sportshoe.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:58 pm
m
October 9th, 2012
10:56 pm
Fred
I was alluding to Kam’s bathroom mirror
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Oh OK, then I will bow out. I thought you were talking about his family which would have been over the top. If you are talking about HIM, while I disagree, he can handle you without my help lol.
Fred ™
October 9th, 2012
10:59 pm
Besides, I’m already on double secret probation so I have to be *good*
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:00 pm
“What I find amusing is how the liberal media and Obama worshippers do not see the real point of this email. There are middle class employees who could be out of a job because of the socialist agenda.”
So it’s socialism that allows him to sit on a golden throne and build a 90,000 square foot house form profits he made on timeshares? And all this time we poor ignorant sheeple thought you called that captialism….
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That’s good- and I thought this couldn’t get any funnier!!!!!!
Jm
October 9th, 2012
11:02 pm
Democrats are so dumb
When you give away money,there are tons of schmucks looking for a handout that don’t deserve it
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/09/us-usa-solar-investigation-idUSBRE8980YL20121009
Jm
October 9th, 2012
11:03 pm
Fred,
Kam is fine
He dishes it out, and he can take it
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
11:05 pm
Not defending the guy but
i don’t think the email is
illegal. An actual firing
could be questioned but
FL is an at will state.
However the letter is at
best unethical.
SuesC
October 9th, 2012
11:05 pm
Just wwwwwww!
bman
October 9th, 2012
11:05 pm
Romney is now leading in polls? I didn’t see that coming…
SuesC
October 9th, 2012
11:05 pm
EWWWWW YUCK!
Jm
October 9th, 2012
11:07 pm
Frog 11:05
At minimum super douchebaggy
But that’s how that dude rolls
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
11:08 pm
“…couldn’t even defend a simple point like Bill Gates is a liberal.”
Riiiiight! Because unlike you, b-troll boy, I never back up my assertions with dozens of facts, quotes, links, verifiable data and empirical evidence.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. ~Mark Twain
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
11:09 pm
Jm
If being a jerk were illegal
this blog would cease to
exist.
bman
October 9th, 2012
11:11 pm
lol frog
Billybob
October 9th, 2012
11:14 pm
jay,
the big bird ad has brought your leftist leader to a new low……obama’s own words, or lack there of last wed, are starting to take a toll on his chances…..i guess you are starting to hear what i have been telling you for months and months…..with the ambassador’s assassination, the entire country is now realizing that obama’s tried and true, blame anybody but me mantra, is not leadership and can not be ignored by the people any more, even if the lib media still gives him a pass……enjoy reaping what your radical leftist democrat party has sowed since pelosi in 07′……maybe you can pass this along to obama for this conservative……you can’t strengthen the weak by weakening the strong……fun stuff
Jm
October 9th, 2012
11:18 pm
Frog
Yes
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:20 pm
Geez. y’all gotta go watch the ABC News video on this at:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/versailles-florida-largest-home-america/story?id=16787565
The wifey currently has a 2 story closet in a 26,000 square foot house, and the closet does, in fact, have a stripper pole (it’s in the video, I swear). The new house has a 4,000 square foot freakin’ closet…that’s 3 times the size of my entire house.
I don’t disparage anyone enjoying their hard-earned money, but….just, dang!
RF
October 9th, 2012
11:25 pm
“you can’t strengthen the weak by weakening the strong……fun stuff”
And it’s going to take a whole lot of us weak ones to clean this house and keep all of it up and running…or will he just hire illegals at a fraction of the cost? I wonder if we’ll ever know.
And maybe the weak just could move in with the strong. With all those kitchens and bathrooms, there won’t be any problem fitting a bunch more folks in- and I bet they wouldn’t even notice. A few families could live in the 4000 square foot closet comfortably. Two movie theaters, a bowling alley, and a fitness center. Geez, this place ought to have at least its own zip code.. It’s a dang village unto itself.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
11:28 pm
…with the ambassador’s assassination, the entire country is now realizing that sleazy Mr. “I was dead wrong” actually blamed our American public servants overseas for sympathizing with their attackers?
What was this GOP moron thinking???
And why do his sycophants here not call him out for making up such a depraved lie???
G Mare
October 9th, 2012
11:31 pm
Gee, Fred, how awful for you! If all that is true, if you are not just “pulling my leg” here, I guess it might explain your animosity toward those of us who are older, per our exchange several topics back.
Whatever, I am out for tonight. Appointment with the surgeon is tomorrow morning. SIGH!
barking frog
October 9th, 2012
11:34 pm
G Mare
Good luck.
ruserious?
October 9th, 2012
11:38 pm
Enter your comments here
So no one has mentioned that a significant number of his customers that have built his bank account are the middle class folks who want a decent vacation but can not afford top shelf 5 star vacations! This place is acceptable but really a 5 star wanna be. So he makes his cash on the backs of the people of the middle class but finds it inconceivable that he may have to part with a few more of his dollars to pay more taxes, rather his struggling customers pay more than take away from his mansion! How selfish and unrealistic! Also, how dare he use his politics as a threat to his employees. Is this not in violation of employee rights! What a mess and he will likely get away with it because he has the cash to do so!
Welcome to the Occupation
October 9th, 2012
11:46 pm
Neoliberal austerity sending Europe into a downward spiral towards fascism.
“Even as you cut, the gap between spending and revenue collection keeps getting larger”
The black hole in Spain’s budget has expanded faster than Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy’s attempt to shrink it, portending the same unrest roiling Greece.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-08/rajoy-s-deepening-budget-black-hole-outpaces-spain-deficit-cuts.html
Billybob
October 9th, 2012
11:47 pm
rf,
talking about obama…..jay’s column guy needs some help and some perspective….
jam as usual gots nada except excuses….wait, liberal dem??????
Billybob
October 9th, 2012
11:52 pm
welcome,
socialism and gov’t spending and over promising politicians did the damage……thank goodness that romney unleashing capitalism here will not allow us to suffer the same fate……….easy
getalife
October 9th, 2012
11:55 pm
Occupation,
Europe screwed up and will be down for a while.
Bailouts are holding them together but not sure how long that will last.
JamVet
October 9th, 2012
11:56 pm
bbob ,I just enjoy watching you real conservatives (LOL!) dance for your fake conservative nominee.
getalife
October 9th, 2012
11:57 pm
bilbob,
w used socialism for the banks and saved them.
Our military is socialism.
Don’t bash the military con.
Billybob
October 9th, 2012
11:57 pm
welcome,
blaming conservatives for eupore’s fate shows your lack of understanding of the current crisis there or shows a disonnect of the actual reasons and the ideology that have brought them to this moment…..
Billybob
October 9th, 2012
11:59 pm
getalife,
see constitution for military…..you could learn something
jam,
moonwalking right now……
Mary Elizabeth
October 10th, 2012
12:01 am
“Signed, your boss, David Siegel” (Notice the unnecessary – “your boss”)
“If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company. Rather than grow this company I will be forced to cut back. This means fewer jobs, less benefits and certainly less opportunity for everyone.”
(Blatant coercion to convince his workers to vote for Romney through fear tactics and through the subtle threat to workers’ job security, if Obama is re-elected as president.)
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Who in the reading audience of this blog thinks that Mr. Siegel perceives that all human beings as “created equal?” I don’t. I believe that he, like Gov. Romney, perceives of human beings as unequal – with the worker classes being inherently inferior to the management classes. That is a hierarchial way of seeing others, not an egalitarian way of seeing. Our nation was built on egalitarian principles and an egalitarian vision of all human beings.
I will remind the readers of the coal miners who were recently mandated by their manager to stand behind Gov. Romney while he spoke in order to project an image of solidarity with Romney. Romney praised the manager for his wonderful management skills in front of those workers. Those workers were not behind Romney by individual choice, but by the coercion of the company they worked for. (Moreover, as I commented in a prior post, Romney is satisfied to have “image” stand in for reality as long as the public buys it as reality. He does not value authentic reality any more than George W. Bush did when he wore his bomber suit aboard the “Mission Impossible” military ship to create his strong military “image,” as reality. In both cases, these men have disrespected the American citizen by undervaluing their intelligence to see reality for what it is.)
Definition of “coercion” – The power of dominating by nullifying individual willl.
Anyone who believes that Gov. Romney will enhance the “liberty” and “freedom” of ordinary workers and ordinary Americans is fooling himself or herself. Many have unfortunately bought into rightwing propaganda of “liberty” and “freedom” of those who are only looking after themselves and their financial self-interests at the average person’s expense. This type of hierarchial vision of human beings does not respect the ordinary worker, or the average American, and Romney’s 47% video remarks clearly showed that.
This election is not about who did better in a debate. This election is about sustaining the principle foundation upon which America was built and that core foundation is the belief that “all are created equal.”
Classic Conservative
October 10th, 2012
12:03 am
Two topics: one is an article from Ohio: http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/annette_john-hall/20121005_Annette_John-Hall__Race_and_the_campaign__Hear_that_dog_whistle_.html
(also see book ‘the New Jim Crow’)
Two is a response to the poor guy bouncibg his wife on his knee above. when the very wealthy in US were in line with the very wealthy of other countries, it seemed they plowed their gains back into the economy and middle classes moved up. In the last 30 years they’ve risen 40 times above the very wealthy of other countries by money plays and arbitrage to the detriment of the middle class.
Wilcox
October 10th, 2012
12:08 am
WOW is all I can say. If someone works their ass off and is able to become a part of that 1% they should NEVER be penalized or forced to hand over more money than the next guy. Fair Tax, simple as that. If the guy truly lives and breathes his business, he should be able to hang-out in Disney Fucking World if he so chooses. You asking if he REALLY sinks every dime back into his company shouldn’t necessarily be taken literally. He started in a GARAGE? So NOW 42 years later he can afford 3 pools if he wants them…….who are you to judge THAT? Ugh…..I hate politics, nobody should tell anyone else how to spend their $$, who they should sleep with, and ANYTHING else that doesn’t hurt you. You don’t have sympathy for HIM? Why then should he have any for the other 99%?
Billybob
October 10th, 2012
12:10 am
mary,
romney never said or incenuated any of the beliefs you have of him aside from 47% dumb comment….and obama is the one who has stated he will bankrupt the coal industry….just today big bird asked obama to leave him out of the obama compaign……a conservative believes all are created equal while obama believes that all should be equal in outcome…….you are right that this election is about bringing back the core beliefs and foundations of this country and the guy who has stated that he WANTS TO FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM THE UNITED STATES IS NOT THE ONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN OUR FOUNDATIONS…..his words state HE WANTS TO FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM THE COUNTRY……thanks for playing……easy
Tim
October 10th, 2012
12:16 am
pogo — this is the new “post-Citizens United” world. You have the right-wing Supreme Court to thank for this. Would you join the 99% in opposing that ruling and other 5-4 “judicial activism” by Scalia and friends?
RF
October 10th, 2012
12:21 am
“socialism and gov’t spending and over promising politicians did the damage”
So billybob, we were under socialism with Bush and the Boyz? WOW, who knew? I thought Obama was the socialist. Now I’m just confused….or are you? You do realize the recession hit during the administration of, and the first bailouts were begun by Georgie-boy Bush, right?
Big Al
October 10th, 2012
12:25 am
It’s no secret that the wealthy pass on the expense of their lifestyle onto those who lack the resources or the knowledge to walk away. But, we should always remember, as he said, his workers ARE free. They are closer to peace and enlightenment than he is. So if any of them see this letter as some kind of threat, they should stand up to this attempt at making them afraid and walk away. Obama’s plans helps the greater good, not the priveleged few. Obama’s plans liberate people, not enslave them. If you’ve ever been in a situation where you felt trapped, read this again and see what the face of oppression looks like. You have a job because you EARNED it, it was not handed to you to be treated like a gift you should have to sacrifice anything else to keep. In other words folks, when you’re off the clock, you don’t owe nobody nothin!
Mary Elizabeth
October 10th, 2012
12:30 am
Billybob, we simply see reality differently. I have to call it the way I see it.
Look at those coal miners’ unexpressive faces and their vacant eyes. Nonverbal communication tells more than words sometimes. You have made, imo, a sweeping remark with “Obama believes that all should be equal in outcome.” I do not believe he is advocating that. He is simply advocating that government can play a positive role in helping to give citizens a chance for greater upward mobility, as the GI Bill had done for working class veterans coming out of WWII. What is wrong with that? To consider the GI Bill as making “all equal in outcome” is not true; it simply gave those veterans equal opportunity to succeed, which they did not have before getting the education that the GI Bill offered them. Government can help to give people a “hand up” in becoming more successful and self-sufficient.
Obama does not want to “fundamentally transform the U.S.” anymore than Martin Luther King, Jr. wanted to “fundamentally transform the U.S.” Both men simply want(ed) the U.S. to live up to its highest promises and ideals. They both want(ed) the American Dream made realistically available to every citizen. You will not see that kind of America under Romney. Under Romney, you will see an inherently unequal America, in which the rich elite are the ruling power class and the other Americans become the underclasses serve their will and needs. That vision is essentially unAmerican. Don’t be fooled.
I would love to “play” more, Billybob, but I am heading to “dreamland” now.
Have a good night!
Welcome to the Occupation
October 10th, 2012
12:31 am
Billybob: “socialism and gov’t spending and over promising politicians did the damage”
Not so.
bman
October 10th, 2012
12:34 am
Mary E -
Fear tactics. What message do you think Obama is running on? Hope and change is so 2008.
By the way, I don’t think anyone likes the guy in the article…including his wife.
RF
October 10th, 2012
12:35 am
“and obama is the one who has stated he will bankrupt the coal industry”
Well, he ACTUALLY said in January 2008, before he was even nominated as the Democratic candidate in a discussion about opening new coal-fired plants:
“The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.”
His “bankruptcy” comment was based on a hypothetical cap and trade policy. He said that if someone wanted to open a NEW coal plant, then he thought the cap and trade policy would bankrupt it. That was part of a theoretical energy policy to control pollution from coal burning and generate funds for alternative energy. It was months before even the nomination, and I don’t recall hearing anything about it after Jan. of ‘08. It didn’t come up in debates and hasn’t made it into any legislation or policy yet. Sooooo, your point?
As if
October 10th, 2012
12:38 am
First of all, to the one who posted…wealth envy. Give me a break….envious of the tasteless empty pompous excess of this pathetic human being is really laughable. Look at him! He’s disgusting. Its really telling that hes doing so well to be able to build that gaudy…make me vomit…waste of space on this earth, yet can’t afford to pay his employees. I thought he said his business is doing better? In this economy thats pretty good, huh? So with Obama he does well. Basically he wants to continue with the Bush tax cuts, which SHOULD BE LEFT TO EXPIRE. He’s selfish and he’s threatening his employees. The people who got him where he is today. Again…give me a break! People can have wealth and have character at the same time. Look at Warren Buffet.
James
October 10th, 2012
1:00 am
This is baloney! This argument of his “attained” wealth has flaws… No one told him he didn’t have to take off from developing his business or investing every single dime he has into his own private wealth fund which is enabling him to build a 23 room mansion! F**k him and his fat belly… He needs to get a liposuction and stop playing the violin on his poor employees who don’t “understand” the woes of business ownership! And don’t infringe on my voting choices with my job! That is NOT right! Ohhhhhh this article makes me so mad. I could slap him with a greasy double cheeseburger right now!!
CEO sends letter to employees of Westgate Resorts telling them they’d better think twice about who they vote for, because if Obama is reelected they may lose their jobs. « Family Survival Protocol
October 10th, 2012
1:58 am
[...] David Siegel and the billionaire’s sad lament (blogs.ajc.com) [...]
STEVEN JOSEFSBERG
October 10th, 2012
3:08 am
I will celebrate his death with some fava beans a a nice Chianti.
STEVEN JOSEFSBERG
October 10th, 2012
3:14 am
David Siegal, I will celebrate your death with son fava beans and a nice Chianti!
TJ
October 10th, 2012
4:12 am
LOL this guy a clown. He even went so far as to rip his letter from the scare letter that was going around the net in 2008!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/valuedemployees.asp
Mitt Romney's Debate Format (STYLE)
October 10th, 2012
5:13 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3I6t3VodO4
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2012
5:55 am
F**k him and his fat belly…
yeah, you’d think with all this alleged self-discipline he’s yammering about in his screed…
stands for decibels
October 10th, 2012
5:58 am
the scare letter that was going around the net in 2008!
which in turn probably originated in Karl Rove’s boiler room.
LeRoi2
October 10th, 2012
6:20 am
What a bunch of class envying cellar dwellers. You all fall over your selves trying out do one another with snarky comments, that show your true selves. This man started a business that employs 7000 people, and provides them with a good living. He put everything he owned at risk, and a few of you idiots tried to criticize him for that. Most of you work and live your entire life and never save more than 6 weeks of salary in the bank at one time in your lives. You have nothing in common with a man like this, and would never want to. It’s easier to elect a Comrad Obama, and have him use the Federal Government to redistribute the wealth to everyone. Let the good times roll, until all of someone else’s money runs out. Gimme gimme gimme, I want!
Anyway, here is a nice little article about Comrad Barack. Many of you may have seen, through alternative media, of foreign media, Comrad Obama appearing in front of black preachers, faking a deep black accent, and complaining that the money the Federal Government loaned New Orleans had to have a local match in funds, or the Federal Government would expect to be repaid. The Bush Adminisration was doing this because the victims were mostly black, and Bush and ALL OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT are racist!
Just one problem, OBAMA VOTED 2 WEEKS EARLIER HIMSELF TO DENY FUNDING! He was one of only 17 senators to vote against it! Then he goes in front of his people, and LIES!
I have attached the link. It’s pretty straight forward but I know how deeply in denial his Zombies are. After November 6 he will get his wish to live in Hawaii and goof off all day. Same thing he has done his entire life.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/barack_obama_pants_on_fire.html
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 10th, 2012
6:29 am
“Neoliberal austerity sending Europe into a downward spiral towards fascism. ”
ummm … neoLIBERAL austerity??
UK – Tory government (maybe you remember the Tories … brought you Maggie Thatcher)
Spain – Conservative
France – was conservative until a few months ago
Germany – Gauk is an anti-communist centrist (and then there’s Angela Merkel by his side)
Italy – Monti is actually A-political and has appointed a government of technocrats to pull Italy out of the mire that Berlusconi left the place in …
so neo-liberal??? not so much.
A Simple Man
October 10th, 2012
6:37 am
It’s okay if no one’s rich as long as everyone’s poor…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 10th, 2012
6:41 am
“It’s okay if no one’s rich as long as everyone’s poor…”
no, it’s okay to be rich as long as you’re not threatening your employees about how they vote.
godless heathen
October 10th, 2012
6:49 am
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
October 9th, 2012
4:55 pm
That’s a trophy wife?
I see he didn’t come in …first.
Madmax
October 10th, 2012
6:52 am
New report from State Department that says there was no demonstration outside the embassy. As Alice said, it gets curiouser and curiouser. What is the truth and who is running the country?
Wilbur
October 10th, 2012
7:03 am
All Obama has brought this country is more division, more hatred, more envy, more debt, more misery and more lies. By his own measures and by any other he has failed miserably as president and as a leader. He is an insular ideologue bent on a narrow, left wing agenda for America.
Jm
October 10th, 2012
7:04 am
“cellar dwellers”
That’s about right
The Wealth envy is overflowing this morning
Shows that the critics have as little class as Dbag Siegel
Jm
October 10th, 2012
7:08 am
Hillary Clinton is looking worse and worse in the Benghazi Stevens assassination
Why was Stevens request to take security with him to Benghazi denied??
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 10th, 2012
7:10 am
well THIS is promising:
When they leave, instead of switching churches, they join the growing ranks who do not identify with any religion. Nearly one in five Americans say they are atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular.”
This is a significant jump from only five years ago, when adults who claimed “no religion” made up about 15 percent of the population. It is a seismic shift from 40 years ago, when about 7 percent of American adults said they had no religious affiliation.
Now, more than one-third of those ages 18 to 22 are religiously unaffiliated. These “younger millennials” are replacing older generations who remained far more involved with religion throughout their lives.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us/study-finds-that-the-number-of-protestant-americans-is-declining.html?hp
Call It Like It Is
October 10th, 2012
7:12 am
Idiots on both sides. Wonder if Jay will hit on all the jackwagons calling Stacy Dash an indoor slave because she came out to support Mitt?
Doggone/GA
October 10th, 2012
7:14 am
“Wonder if Jay will hit on all the jackwagons calling Stacy Dash an indoor slave because she came out to support Mitt?”
blogspot.com is ready when you are
Madmax
October 10th, 2012
7:15 am
Jay, This is a pitiful attempt to paint the rich as evil by finding the most flamboyant idiot you can and exposing him (assuming the letter is real?) in the hope of convincing people, by inference, that this is the group that is targeted by the Obama tax policy when nothing is further from the truth. The vast majority of the people that will be hit by the Obama tax increase, passed (Obamacare) and proposed will be the people who work hard and where both partners work so that they can provide a better start for their children. But you are not interested in truth, you are interested in stirring up class division and keeping your pack of followers fed with propoganda.
Doggone/GA
October 10th, 2012
7:15 am
“This is a pitiful attempt to paint the rich as evil ”
And yet another to add to the list who missed Jay’s point
GT
October 10th, 2012
7:16 am
Stevens case is very coincidental. The news comes out at the right time. If this was the administration doing this Jack Welsh would be screaming. Sometimes I think these guys set their stage by doing before hand a distraction like the unemployment numbers so when they do their sabotage , while people are looking the wrong direction.
Madmax
October 10th, 2012
7:18 am
No Doggonee, you lap up Jay’s bilge which keeps you fed.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 10th, 2012
7:19 am
“And yet another to add to the list who missed Jay’s point”
whatever happened to teaching reading comprehension in our schools???
this is what happens when you teach to the test. I’m just sayin’.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 10th, 2012
7:21 am
seriously, Mad, the point has evidently gone whizzing over your head if you think this is a screed about his wealth.
Jm
October 10th, 2012
7:23 am
Madmax – generally true
But in fairness to Jay, this thing is getting pretty wide “play”
The dbag wrote the letter, Jay is just highlighting it, as are many others on both sides of the political spectrum
Madmax
October 10th, 2012
7:24 am
USink – yes reading comprehension is a very good trait, unfortunately, the brainwashed, and I include you in this group based on your response, don’t seem to be able to discern the underlying theme of why Jay picks certain people and topics for discussion.
Morning Reads for Wednesday, October 10 — Peach Pundit
October 10th, 2012
7:25 am
[...] Owner of Westgate Resorts writes to employees economy isn’t threatening their jobs, Obama is [...]
GT
October 10th, 2012
7:25 am
One of the things Romney is doing is daring someone in a debate to call him a liar. I watch some tape of his Mass. debates, he trash his opponent a woman who back off him while he flip flopped on abortion. His whole defense is to act indignant, his wife even gets into the act. He lies and then tell the audience he is sick and tire of people calling him a liar. What O has to do is connect this guy to his supporters, there is no way he can support his new liberal agenda that is taking votes away from Obama while feed his mob. The lady in Mass. didn’t have that option, in Mass. the Republicans are paper tigers.
Doggone/GA
October 10th, 2012
7:26 am
“No Doggonee, you lap up Jay’s bilge which keeps you fed”
Too late. You’ve already made it clear you completely missed the point. Insulting me won’t change that.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 10th, 2012
7:29 am
“why Jay picks certain people and topics for discussion.”
“Jay” didn’t pick him for this topic – maybe if you read the news a bit more, you’d see that this story is being WIDELY reported by such liberal rags as Forbes – hell, it’s even been picked up here in the UK in the Daily Mail (NOT a liberal broadsheet)
Madmax
October 10th, 2012
7:31 am
Everyone agrees the guy is an idiot both before and after he wrote the letter. Jay puts it out here for an example of the “1%”. With our national debt at $16.2 trillion, unemployment at 12-13 million, conflicting reports from within the administration about the ME, a president who campaigns with Sesame Street characters and Jay decides the most pressing thing to discuss is a wealthy jerk.
Doggone/GA
October 10th, 2012
7:32 am
“Jay puts it out here for an example of the “1%”
And he STILL misses the point. Give it up Bud, before you’re in so deep you can’t climb back out.
Jay
October 10th, 2012
7:33 am
Some 500-plus comments, and not one mention of the Death of a Salesman reference in the post?
Sheets.
Glenn
October 10th, 2012
8:01 am
From Glenn Oct 9 10:52 pm
Jay, your article lit up the boards tonight. Doesn’t take much to stir the class warfare and envy crowd. Let’s take a little time to research the authenticity of the letter. The letter you attribute to David Siegel looks oddly similar to a letter scored as LEGEND on Scopes.com. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/valuedemployees.asp
Great “journalism”, JB. Do the work.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So after 500 comments based on your blog post yesterday, JB, still no admission on your part that the letter was most likely a hoax? Man up, JB.
Citizen of the World
October 10th, 2012
8:01 am
This may have already come up, but there was a movie that came out recently about this guy and his wife and their incomplete mansion — “The Queen of Versailles.” Quite entertaining on many levels.
In it, he claims responsibility for GWB having won Florida in 2000, and then laughs and says he better not say anymore since what he did was probably illegal.
Jay
October 10th, 2012
8:07 am
Glenn, that’s quite a charge you make there. However, as I already knew but you clearly did not, Gawker.com called David Siegel directly, prior to my posting, to confirm the email’s authenticity. This is what Gawker found:
“Shortly after we posted this letter, we found out, thanks to multiple readers, that it bore suspicious resemblances to a popular chain letter that was circulated just before the 2008 elections. Well, we just got off the phone with David Siegel, who told us the letter below is real, and that it was sent out to all of his employees yesterday. “I did use the letter that had circulated before as a guideline, but I changed it [to fit my circumstances],” he told us. “It speaks the truth and it gives [employees] something to think about when they go to the polls.” He also said that its threats of possible layoffs are real, based on his assessment of the political and economic climate. He added that he “hasn’t had any negative feedback” on the letter.
Now, in a general sense, your admonition to “take a little time to research” before making claims is perfectly valid and good advice. In this particular instance, however, it is you who failed to undertake that necessary research, not I. It is you who made ungrounded accusations.
So find a mirror and tell “Glenn” exactly what you told me above.
Scott
October 10th, 2012
8:18 am
I wish he would have just spent his time in the park business so we would still have the Mystery Fun House her in Orlando. Nope I sure do not care he wont make millions more.
Glenn
October 10th, 2012
8:31 am
Wow! JB, I stand corrected and apologize. I made an assumption that that the similarities of the letters proved both to be Legend. Do wish you had made us all privy to your background check with Gawker. Nevertheless, when I am wrong I will admit it. I was wrong.
Mighty Righty
October 10th, 2012
9:02 am
Wealth envy is not pretty. Take from those who labor, sweat and earn their wealth and give that wealth to the King for the purpose of bribing the peasants into keeping the King in power until the King can retire on zillions of dollars or “tax exempt” income seized from the peasants unearned wealth trough. Obamarxisim at its finest.
BUBBLES
October 10th, 2012
9:03 am
IS VERY SICK OF THIS MADNESS….OR REALLLLLLLLLLY HUH? DO HE REALLLLLY HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO??? WELL, I HAVE BETTER NEWS THEN THIS TIRED BLAH BLAH BLAH…WAKE UP PEOPLE….REVELATION 19:16-17 AND HE HAS ON HIS ROBE AND ON HIS THIGH A NAME WRITTEN: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS! PSALMS 1:4-6 HE WHO SITS IN HEAVEN SHALL LAUGH; THE LORD SHALL HOLD THEM IN DERISION. THEN HE SHALL SPEAK TO “THEM” IN HIS WRATH, AND DISTRESS “THEM” IN HIS DEEP DISPLEASURE: “YET I HAVE SET MY KING ON MY HOLY HILL OF ZION”….GOD MAKE KINGS, AND CAN ALSO, BRING DOWN KINGS!!!!…..SLOW DOWN devil…..
LETS US NOT FORGET WHO REALLY “IS” INCONTROL HERE….I WISH I COULD SEND MR. DAVID SIEGEL AN EMAIL OF WHAT I AM ABOUT TO WRITE….I BELIEVE ALL POLITICS WORK TOGETHER, AND WORK FOR satan himself! A NEW WORLD ORDER IS BEING SET IN PLACE!…IS IT SCARY??? ABSOLUTLY!!! BUT JESUS SAID, “THESE THINGS “MUST” COME TO PAST”! (MATTHEW 24) GOD SAID, I AM, WHO I AM! WHO HAVE THE MIND OF GOD? OR WHO CAN NUMBER THE STARS IN THE SKY?? Ezekiel 3:8, 11, 27 — “Behold, I have made your face strong against their faces, and your forehead strong against their foreheads….And go, get to the captives, to the children of your people, and speak to them and tell them, ‘Thus says the Lord God,’ whether they hear, or whether they refuse….But when I speak with you, I will open your mouth, and you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God.’ He who hears, let him hear; and he who refuses, let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house.”.Ezekiel 29:3-5 — “Speak, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Pharaoh king of Egypt, O great monster who lies in the midst of his rivers, Who has said, ‘My River is my own; I have made it for myself.’ But I will put hooks in your jaws, And cause the fish of your rivers to stick to your scales; I will bring you up out of the midst of your rivers, And all the fish in your rivers will stick to your scales. I will leave you in the wilderness, You and all the fish of your rivers; You shall fall on the open field; You shall not be picked up or gathered. I have given you as food To the beasts of the field And to the birds of the heavens.” ’ ”
…Foolish men exalt themselves before You, O God, thinking they are “creators” in some original sense, and “self-made men.” It is You who have made us, and not we ourselves (Psa.100:3). Those who exalt themselves against You will be utterly overthrown, along with all those who rely on them. Prevent Your people today from thinking that we need alliances with the ungodly. Give us an absolute trust in You alone. Teach us that “the weapons of our warfare are not worldly but have divine power to destroy strongholds” (II Cor.10:4). Humble the nations and their leaders; cause them to bow in Your presence and acknowledge Your as their Creator, Judge, and only Savior. Let us fear being “self-made men,” or ever thinking of ourselves as those who create and control their environment and our own lives. Keep Your church from foolish pride, O Lord. Let us take note of the example of the Egypts of the world, going their own way and setting themselves at the center of the world. Cause us to bow before You today in humble submission and acknowledge You as Lord.
THE LORD WANT ALL, TO COME TO REPENTANCE!!! AND PRAY AS A NATION!! TO STAND FOR HIM, NOT “THEM”….(SHAKING MY HEAD)…..
6 Oh come, let us worship and bow down;
Let us kneel before the Lord our Maker.
7 For He is our God,
And we are the people of His pasture,
And the sheep of His hand.
Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion,[a]
As in the day of trial[b] in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’” Psalm 95:6-11
Classic Conservative
October 10th, 2012
9:11 am
“love thy neighbor…”
kay moroney
October 10th, 2012
9:13 am
What an obnoxious individual. Useless people on this earth. Does he think his wife would look at him if he didn’t have $$$$$. He needs a girdle !!!
BUBBLES
October 10th, 2012
9:19 am
A quick bible study lesson- When the Most High gave instructions to the Israelites to put the Blood around their door post, the BLOOD was to SAVE them from the destruction ahead… Since the beginning, when sin fell unto man, the blood of animals has always been a sacrificial ritual used to TEMPORARY blot out sins from a Holy GOD, however, once the sacrifice was made, the people would continue to sin… This is why the sacrifices of animals was soon REPLACED….. by the sacrifice of the One who was WITHOUT sin, and who’s blood was POWERFUL enough to PERMANENTLY take away the sins of the world. The most High had a backup plan, the animal sacrifices was only used until the coming of the MESSIAH, who was empowered by GOD to take away the sins of the world! This is why we LOVE HIM, SEEK HIM, PRAISE HIM….Because He IS our SAVIOR & REDEEMER… IF U BELIEVE & FOLLOW HIM *JESUS* THE MOST HIGH WILL SURELY WATCH OVER YOU, GUIDE YOU, SUPPLY FOR YOU… JUST AS HE DID THE ISRAELITES!!!:) AGAIN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU?… ALL “JESUS SAID”, “IT IS FINISHED”.! BUT ASK YOURSELF… DO ‘U’ BELIEVE HIM?!?!
John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should NOT perish, but have everlasting life.
BELIEVE, IS THE KEY…BELIEVE IN HIS SALVATION, BELIEVE IN HIS PLAN, BELIEVE IN HIS WILL, BELIEVE IN HIS BLOOD, BELIEVE IN HIS DIRECTION, BELIEVE IN THIS SECOND COMING, BELIEVE IN HIS PROMISES & PROMISE OF EVER LASTING LIFE, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY BELIEVE THAT “IT IS FINISHED!” AMEN!!!
BELIEVE IN HIS CALLING, BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, BELIEVE THAT “ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF THOSE WHO LOVE HIM, AND IS CALLED ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE” I CAN GO ON AND ON…BUT NOTICE GOD SAYS “WHOSOEVER BELIEVE” THIS IS THE.FOUNDATION OF OUR FAITH…FAITH IS BELIEVING IN THE “UNKNOWN” AND “UNSEEN” AND WE ALL NO THAT WITHOUT FAITH, IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD!!!
Bless ALL who come in the Name of the Lord! Bless ALL who reads this. I Pray that the One and True God, will show you GREAT and MIGHTY things in Him, in Jesus Name I Pray Amen! Come and be apart of a POWERFUL movement that change History, and still changing, PLUS changing lives Every single day! Remember Jesus Loves you & so do I! ~WALKING IN DESTINY MOMENTUM & ENJOYING EVERY DAY LIFE~
too little time
October 10th, 2012
9:19 am
I’m not feeling too sorry for this guy. But what got me is Jays comment:
If he couldn’t support a family that large, why did he keep having children?
When someone says this about the poor, liberals jump all in their shiite. Feeling a little hypocrisy here, Jay?
Or how about this statement:
And if he made all the right decisions, why did he come so close to bankruptcy?
Seriously? MILLIONS of folks in this recession made the right choices and still lost their houses, their savings and went bankrupt. You championed those folks. Feeling a little more hypocrisy?
I don’t feel sorry for this guy, but it is not because of the reasons you mention. He took a risk, and almost lost it all. He is not asking that you feel sorry for him. He merely wants to point out that he WORKS FOR and DESERVES what he has earned. He DID “build that”.
RR
October 10th, 2012
9:20 am
I may not agree on Siegels family lifestyle and choices, but I certainly agree in less government FEES and TAXES (look at your cell phone bill, gas bill, cable bill) even for the Siegels of our country who CREATE JOBS people!!! I tried to open a business 7 years ago and every time we turned around some government entity was gettting a check from us. We had to close after 5 years and a $40,000 loss to us along with people losing their jobs. Learn to read more AMERICA, pick up the Naked Communist written in 1958 and see what can happen if we let government be our father, mother, employer and sole provider.
BUBBLES
October 10th, 2012
9:25 am
17 For you say, I am rich; I have prospered and grown wealthy, and I am in need of nothing; and you do not realize and understand that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.
18 Therefore I counsel you to purchase from Me gold refined and tested by fire, that you may be [truly] wealthy, and white clothes to clothe you and to keep the shame of your nudity from being seen, and salve to put on your eyes, that you may see.
19 Those whom I [dearly and tenderly] love, I tell their faults and convict and convince and reprove and chasten [I discipline and instruct them]. So be enthusiastic and in earnest and burning with zeal and repent [changing your mind and attitude].
Relevation 3:17-19
Former Westgate manager
October 10th, 2012
9:34 am
I worked for David (Westgate) for 4 years in the mid 90’s. I was paid very well (six figures) duing that time. The one thing I hated about him is he ALWAYS forced his own political agenda onto his employees. When the county sheriff was running again for office…A check for $500 was required, Mayor meant another $500. This went on all the way up from county, state and to the president. It was claimed as your cost to have the luxury to work for him and make a good living, if you didnt pay, you wouldn’t be there long. I remember when all of his employees bought his wife (now ex) a new Bentley that came straight out of your paycheck, wasn’t an option to say no.
I knew a guy from the UK that filed a lawsuit after he left the company and won.
I see more legal troubles in his near future after that email.
He’s not the quality person he claims to be. Just watch the movie “Queen of Versailles” and you cane see just how engaged he is with his own children.
BTW, his wife Jackie is a drunk and has fooled around with at least two of his employees that I personally know of. Bash me if youd like, but dont bash the truth!
Former Westgate manager
October 10th, 2012
9:34 am
BTW, Im already voting for Mitt!
ATC Zer0
October 10th, 2012
9:37 am
A “1 percenters” bitch and moan. Quit your crying! For Heavy Snakes, you got billions.
Its kinda of long, but it shows you the attitude of the extremely rich not wanting to share.
David Siegal is a tool. You sound like a 3rd grader on a playground after some less than fortunate kid took your candy. Shut up ! we dont care if you cant build your 90,000 square ft home. Boo HOO!
independent thinker
October 10th, 2012
9:48 am
I don’t know what is more pathetic- this guy with his huge house and trophy/stripper wife or Mitt with hsi offshore accounts and car elevator. Is this the reality we want a president to live in? Mitt spilling his inner disdain in front of rich donors for the 47% is not different than Republicans taking the no tax pledge and refusing to consider any proposal of the President. They are not capable of performing their constitutional duties of representing the best interests of the entire country..
Randy
October 10th, 2012
9:49 am
Once again we are off the subject…this is not about how rich a person is, how he or she spends his or her money, or the choices he or she makes. Its about government taking away choices. The abillity to build a business and employee people. When taxed beyond reason (Obamacare) the business will not grow and or expand and in fact many times fail. Our president is not for jobs (unless they are government…which is where the most seem to be created). He talks good but his record does not back up his talk. There is only one choice come election day…if someone is not doing the job or can’t do the job they MUST be replaced. PERIOD!
Sharon Smith
October 10th, 2012
9:50 am
You are a old rich ass white man and everyone should boycott Westgate. My family has a timeshare and I will be encouraging them to sell it now. I guess billionaires stick together. GOD HELP YOU.
Brad Inwood
October 10th, 2012
10:28 am
Why should we give OBAMA 4 more years, so he can finish us off for good?? If he had the answers, things would have improved by now.
Erin Porter
October 10th, 2012
10:38 am
“If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at who he gave it to.”–Dorothy Parker
Darryl Hitchings
October 10th, 2012
11:18 am
Mr Bookman, your comments below clearly show that you do not understand the concept and the heart of Mr. Siegel’s point. You are caught up in jealous envy like the majority of the commentators. If you think that EVERY person that has their own business is doing as well as this man, then you are mistaken. Redistribution has never succeeded for long throughout the world. Think Stalinism and the Third Reich. Have you ever heard of the Industrial Revolution that started in the late 1800’s? This was taught in history class. You don’t need a degree in economics and finance to understand this. I ask you: did this occur through redistributional socialism, or through capitalism? Obviously capitalism. All socialists (democrats) are attacking the wrong people, i.e., those who are successful. As Mr Siegel says, you should be attacking your elected leaders in Washington who are promoting the wrong policies. The reason we no longer have an industrial revolution and lack of jobs is because jobs are being shipped overseas through HIGHER TAXES and OVER-REGULATION. Californians are now experiencing this very thing through higher gasoline prices caused by over-regulation by the government and the Clean Air Act passed in 1990, among other senseless regulation requiring different blends for each state. I could go on and on, but anyone thinking about voting for Obama again had better change their mindset or as Mr. Siegel says, they REALLY could be out of a job.
Juan De la Sierra
October 10th, 2012
11:27 am
This CEO is what is really wrong with America: pure unadulterated selfishness. In time this tycoon fascism will destroy the America that has been the beacon of freedom for the world.
Mary Elizabeth
October 10th, 2012
11:34 am
“Attention, attention must finally be paid to such a person.”
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Jay, I did notice your ironical reference to Willy Loman, the traveling salesman in Authur Miller’s prize winning play “Death of A Saleman,” as stated by Willy’s wife, Linda, played by the fine actress Mildred Dunnock, in your words, above.
I caught that the “attention, attention” line was meant as a lament by Miller’s Linda for the cruel fate of the average American – the traveling salesman – of that era, of 1940s and 1950s America, and that you used it ironically to show how there is – now – a lament for the situation of the wealthy, such as for the David Siegels of modern day America. That is the unfortunate and strange twist that has happened in the American consciousness in the past 60 years. Of course, I think this change of consciousness has been deliberately twisted, by the stealthy means.
loren
October 10th, 2012
11:35 am
The point is not that this guy has his opinion, its that he chooses to try to force it on his work force. Doing that is against labor laws and that’s the problem. He pays his employees to perform a duty. They earn there money based on the task they perform. I assure u that he didnt ask their opinion on business decisions he makes or personal decisions he makes. He shouldn’t involve himself in the decisions they make in choosing a president. Btw, if he thinks he and his employees have the same challenges he is sadly mistaken. I own a west gate property and due to this guys decision to go public with his ideas its going on the market. Thanks for letting us 99%ers know how you really feel.
Sincerely,
A (former west gate owner)
mary virginia devine, ph.d.
October 10th, 2012
12:16 pm
Mr. Siegel ought to remember what happened to the original Versailles. Alas, the revolutionaries trashed the place. (Since it was nothing but a Bourbon ego monument, the partial destruction of Versailles was no loss to humanity.) If Mr.Siegel doesn’t want to witness a replay of 1789, he’d better grow a brain and start sharing his stash with his wage slaves. A Romney victory could spark a revolution whch would make the events of 1789 look like the sack race at a Cub Scout carnival. Assuming that Mr. and Mrs. Siegel don’t desire to end up like Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette, cessation of their oligarchic arrogance is sincerely recommended. Here’s a message for the Siegels: NOBLESSE OBLIGE.
Mike_T
October 10th, 2012
1:07 pm
This guy Siegel doesn’t get it. He puts himself in a class by himself by stating that as a member of the so-called 1%, he is not like the other 1%. “I did this, I did that, I didn’t do like the others”. Does that not establish some form of existence of the stigma he is crying out against. Ok Mr. Siegel, so you are not like the others. In this great land of America, you are the beacon Mr. Siegel. We were all wrong. Yet in all your 42 years of business, where was this lament to the others to stop fueling the stigma that you are indirectly disassociating yourself from and now pleading to your employees to vote for what benefits you and your business. Nevermind any other reasons for voting for a candidate, let’s just plead your case here for whom you want in office Mr. Siegel. Because I am sure you know, we all want you to be able to finish that house. And you’re shocked at the labeling. The gross mistake here Mr. Siegel other than infringing on someone’s voting right without perceived repercussions, is that you are talking to your employees as if they are peers. Nothing in your letter rewards the employees if your candidate wins. Oh!, they get to keep their jobs…really. Isn’t it quite possible Mr. Siegel that everyone of your employees could vote for Romney and he still loses. How will you know this or not? So your letter is utterly disgusting. Now we know who Romney was speaking to when he made the 47% comment. Mr. Siegel, you are an ironic desperate hypocrite for lamenting to your employees as peers about the stigma. Don’t cry about the position, your real peers have put you in. Maybe you should talk to them.
Mike_T
October 10th, 2012
1:14 pm
meant to say “infringement on one’s voting right WITH perceived repercussions” in my previous statement
Bluecrab
October 10th, 2012
2:18 pm
Thank you very Mr. Siegel for clarifying your political stand regarding our current President and especially for your threat to your employees. We have never knowingly stayed at any of your resorts or time-shares, now we will certainly NEVER do that.
I feel for your many employees, some (or many) of whom are members of the middle class, and will never reach your vaulted economic class, especially while working for a CEO as you.
mic cat
October 10th, 2012
2:37 pm
DAVID SIEGEL- WHAT A SCUMBAG. HE IS TYPICAL OF HIS KIND: GREEDY, SELFISH,EGOTISTICAL, SHAMELESS and. GENERALLY EVIL. BOYCOTT WESTGATE RESORTS. DON’T SUPPORT THE GRINCH’S EMPIRE. AND MR. SIEGEL, DON’T FORGET TO PAY YOUR TAXES,I NEED THEM. BUT I DOUBT THAT YOU. PAY MUCH TAXES.
J Corley Ackley
October 10th, 2012
3:11 pm
OH FREAKIN BARF!!!!!
Thedinger
October 10th, 2012
3:23 pm
What a dick…head, as he is playing with peoples livelihoods. I hope he goes broke.
Marsh
October 10th, 2012
3:41 pm
Check out his record on worker’s rights. Insane.
Ted
October 10th, 2012
4:16 pm
Dude is death on smoking, but carries a blubber tire ! Needs a corset or maybe should consider smoking !
Jetanna
October 10th, 2012
4:22 pm
He employs employees because he NEEDS them not out of the goodness of his heart. They in turn need jobs, especially due to increasing unemployment. He feels he has worked hard and is entitled to whatever he deems he wants, after all he worked for it it’s his $. Yet, the people who work for him ensuring he keeps making this $$ don’t deserve health care. He feels they feel entitled and they should spend the $ he gives them better thereby affording thier own health care….DISGUSTING, to treat people like trash, whom have also afforded your GREED!
Jetanna
October 10th, 2012
4:24 pm
Then again, he thinks bedding down his granddaughter is appropriate…OH I’m sorry, it just looks like his granddaughter….again, disgusting!
James
October 10th, 2012
4:52 pm
He’s right. He made the money, let him do what he wants with it. He gives people jobs. If he wasn’t here, thousands would be on welfare. The government is trying to tax him to the point where he closes his doors, and retires. Then, thousands will be unemployed…again.
Donald Stevenson
October 10th, 2012
6:46 pm
I wonder if any body on the web knows what CEO in real life means. Criminal Enterprize Organizer. And then I wonder how much money his trophy wife will get when she divorces his Enzite filled body,for the gardener. She could cause him to have a stroke.
Stacey
October 10th, 2012
7:16 pm
I am pretty sure he bought his wife too…I know he paid her plastic surgeon well! Unbelievable!
Dan
October 10th, 2012
7:59 pm
Who gets the company after he dies
John Coctosen
October 10th, 2012
8:05 pm
That’s why you will always be a writer Jay, living a miserable existence writing (and mostly criticizing) hard workers like this guy, pandering to your pathetic readers who agree with you. Wealth envy, punishing success. Who cares what this guy owns? Every piece of gaudy furniture in his cheesy mansion was built by someone, somewhere, who needs that job. Just b/c you clowns are pissed that he has more than you, you think you have the moral superiority when he writes a well thought out critique of the current economy where risk on capital just isn’t worth it anymore. Sure, this guy is butt loaded, but if any of you sad pathetic democrats had a clue what it takes to start, build, and continue to run a business, you would understand that it’s a razor thin wire between big success and bankruptcy. I have an idea, why don’t you myrmidons go try to start a business and build it to the size of this entity and then come back and see what you think of Obama and his socialist professorial double speak.
fortypercenter
October 10th, 2012
8:05 pm
Obama will win!! You should get started with the layoffs….#$$%!! Better yet, maybe you and your family will die in a plane crash and your money goes to the state. One good thing, you are not on this planet for very much longer. We will be without one less @#hole. Worthless piece of @#$%!!
cc
October 10th, 2012
8:07 pm
i live in florida i am poor , but not on the street And what i see with these radical leftist trying to get us to hate rich people is beyond belief i never thought in a million years i would see that kinda crap in the united states i will vote for gov romney simply because he is the better man, pres obama is not even close to being in the same league with gov romney -
John Coctosen
October 10th, 2012
8:08 pm
Jetanna, when are you manning the Burger King? I’ll come by for a cheeseburger and discuss politics with you.
Dan
October 10th, 2012
8:09 pm
This greedy old man will probably try to take his fortune with him to his own hell, and leave Mrs BooB and all his children with ZIP
John Coctosen
October 10th, 2012
8:12 pm
Donald Stevenson, you too are a myrmidon. Look it up and learn something. Who would you rather lead a company. Please explain your genius ideas on economics to us all. Jeeze.
Jay
October 10th, 2012
8:19 pm
Only a Boortz myrmidon would even use the word myrmidon. “Myrmidon” is a sign of myrmidon-tude.
Dan
October 10th, 2012
8:26 pm
Thank You Fortypercenter. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Dan
October 10th, 2012
8:28 pm
CC. In your dreams
John Coctosen
October 10th, 2012
10:21 pm
Great speech by a journalist who actually gets it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BD7CYLTndk
How can you Obama supporters argue with her?
Onhisside
October 10th, 2012
10:45 pm
Read Atlas Shrugged, folks! Business owners are getting tired of being the bad guys. We create the jobs, pay way more taxes than employees do, get little time off, don’t get vacation pay, benefits, pension, unemployment insurance . . . And can’t give two weeks notice ( or no notice!) and just quit. Employees and government obligate us to keep our businesses running, threaten us with lawsuits if we want to close down, etc. etc. If this guy has built a successful business, saved his money, employed thousands, paid likely millions in taxes, he can build whatever the hell he wants, and who are we to criticize him? Do you buy whatever you want with the money you earn? Do you expect to be dragged through the press for buying something ostentatious? And who gets to decide? It’s his life. And who are you to criticize his wife, and make such nasty comments about her? Do you consider that might be hurtful? Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? There will always be someone better off than you and someone worse off than you. Do you want those worse off than you talking about you the way you talk about this man and his family? I doubt it. When you build a company that employs 7000+ people, put in the hard work and sacrifice it takes to get there, then you get to reap the rewards. No-one else. You do. And you don’t owe any of that success or the effects of that success to anyone else. And no-one has the right to steal it from you. I have a very small business that is nowhere near what this man has built. He deserves our respect and admiration for what he has accomplished. He didn’t threaten anything here . . . Just telling it like it is. It’s about time someone had the balls to stand up and tell the truth. If I were him, I’d retire to the Caribbean and close down the company. Why should he continue to support all you entitled whiners? Go build your own company and make your own success instead of trying to parasite off those who are the producers.
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10:46 pm
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Annie50
October 11th, 2012
8:56 am
I worked for this company for ten years. The majority of the employees are living paycheck to paycheck. At the resorts they are front desk agents, food service workers, etc. At the corporate offices they are customer service agents, reservation agents and telemarketers.
It’s not just this letter. Managers will be asking employees to sign a paper telling who they are voting for. Those who are not voting for Romney will be talked to. They will be reminded that they could lose their jobs. Like I said, paycheck to paycheck. What would you do if you had mouths to feed?
Fred
October 11th, 2012
9:02 am
This guy needs to quit whining. People in his tax class when all said and done pay usually around 12 to 20 % tax on the money they make just like Romney only paid 15% in taxes because they vested in stocks and dividends which have much lower rates. It is a proven fact that when the taxes are higher the country prospers more. Research that fact to see the truth for yourself. He also talks about taking money from the rich and giving to the poor yet he wants you all to vote republican which created the very first stimulus that Obama put through and agreed to that Bush designed and the QE1 bailout was nothing more than coporate welfare. So the point their he makes is falling on deaf ears. It’s no secret the service industry hires more illegals than any other industry. So who cares what this guy says because the real reason he’s going to lay off is less people are vacationing anyhow these days so he’ll be laying off people no matter who the President is Dem or Rep.
Ahab
October 11th, 2012
9:11 am
Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner too.
gumby58
October 11th, 2012
9:13 am
I don’t care how rich you are. If you’ve started a company on your own, risked your livelihood for the success of the company, you have the right to spend the spoils of your riches how you see fit. I may not agree with the lavish spending, but that is their right. What is not right, is government saying, ‘ehh, you made to much, we need some of that money and give it to these people over here, who (a) did nothing, and (b) risked nothing’. He obviously adjusted his lifestyle when times were tough and still SUPPORTED his family. He did not choose to have more children while on welfare or low paying job. What should be a crime against children is deciding to have more, when you don’t have the means to take care of them. Wrecklessness is choosing to have another child because you want one without taking into consideration of whether you can afford one. Envy is what seems to be the root of most of your comments, which is the detriment of our society. I don’t agree that more taxing removes the motivation to succeed, but in the end, raising taxes on those that pay the most is absurd. Instead, if you got the “47%” to pay their share, then taxes would not be such a huge issue. If you have a problem with the wealthy paying a lower percentage than most of us, then work on changing the laws that allow for tax loopholes. Don’t whine and complain that they make too much, or have too big of a house, or has a 3rd wife, or blah, blah, blah. Take care of yourself and quit worrying about what everyone else has and what you don’t. You sound like a spoiled brat on the playground.
MrsDRP519
October 11th, 2012
11:43 am
If she’s trophy wife, where’s the makeup and hair? She looks like any ordinary woman in the morning, but with a bigger rack.
John
October 11th, 2012
12:08 pm
To be that rich, he has spent his life robbing other people, not working for it.
james
October 11th, 2012
12:32 pm
hmmmm, i hate to say this but i agree, the sad thing is that 47 % of americans want a free ride. America is no longer what it used to be. People fail to understant that for an economy to work you need the 3 classes of people low middle and High, why you ask. well its like a tribe of indians if all were chiefs you would not have a tribe. the funny thing is, is that our so called governemental leader are singleing out the rich. just like Hitler did with the jews. to get the majority of the vote. i work 10 hours a day 7 days a week i get no free pass and i earn everything i own. i didnt get into a mess because i never lived out side my budget. and this is to you 47% free loaders out there if you tax the rich to death all they will do is raise there prices of what ever there buisnesses provide to make up the differenace and you morons will end up paying for it anyway…..!!!!!!
paulette
October 11th, 2012
12:53 pm
he must need the money to pay for all his wifes body lifts and such poor man he is the one that needs the lifts
Kyle
October 11th, 2012
2:28 pm
Who is John Gault? This guy! Thank God, Alah, Buhdah, and whoever is listening someone finally told the truth. Answer me this Libs, did anyone ever get a job from a poor person? If we tax and spend the rich into retirement who will give us regular guys (I’am one) a job?
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October 11th, 2012
3:47 pm
[...] Bookman also had a fantastic response to poor Mr. Seigel’s plight: The email does raise an interesting question or two, such as, if it’s true that “even to this [...]
givemeabrake
October 11th, 2012
7:43 pm
First I would like to congratulate Mr. Siegel for his accomplishments and successes. No one is saying he has not worked hard and long. This fact alone makes his E-Mail a little suspect.
In a few opening sentences, Mr Siegel admirably proclaims, tongue in cheek, to not trying to sway anybodies vote this November and then he goes on for two plus pages explaining what will happen should The president be reelected.
Let me point out my reasons; (1) Mr Siegel is in the resort business and makes money by having the purchasing public visit his establishments. Patrons want services and if the staff can not cover this need he will loose business. I guess it could be a possibility his business is already going down hill and this would make a good excuse. (2) Lets assume Mr Siegel is, as he proclaims, wealth beyond any future needs for not only himself, but also his heirs. I submit Mr Siegel’s own work record to refute this. Taxes are still due and payable and sooner or later those assets will be sold at a tax auction. I can’t imagine him allowing this to take place.
For all the above reasons, I find it highly improbable any of Mr Siegel’s threats will come to pass. He may very well sell his holdings but in that case, someone else will buy him out and carry on making money and the world will not miss him.
Truth-O-Meter
October 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
And just who are the people who purchase these time share resorts? Certainly not the ultra wealthy, they can afford to purchase homes out right, don’t you think? I couldn’t take reading the entire email, but in the part I read, not one time did he thank the ” middle income earners” for keeping his business open. If others have no jobs, they can’t “buy” the stuff the rich are sealing.
Truth-O-Meter
October 11th, 2012
9:50 pm
So the bosses at this company tell employees how to vote. I smell a lawsuit all over this. Oh, how I wished I worked for Westgate
Judy
October 12th, 2012
2:55 am
Oh boo hoo. i don’t like anybody who tries to intimidate their employees to vote their way like you did. I will never go to your resort in Gatlinberg again! In my book you totally suck and if I ever saw you in person I would spit in your face. You make me sick. I think it’s hilarious that youthink your business would just crumble without you-oh no, it would do just fine. Mr. Siegel, may your yacht spring a leak in the middle of the ocean, may your new mansion be filled with toxic mold, and may you never prosper in the things that truly matter in life and may you not get your election wish
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clh1238
October 15th, 2012
5:05 am
So, that’s all one has to do to earn that kind of wealth? Work endlessly and not take time off to relax? Then all of the teachers in America should be billionaires since they work 70+ hours a week plus weekends and spend their summer “vacations” working on lesson plans for the coming year and going to school to become better teachers.
Sue
October 16th, 2012
1:50 pm
If David Siegel put some of his money that he uses for his extravagant lifestyle into keeping his promises to his time share owners, he would be making even more money than he does now. As an unfortunate owner I have been lied to more times than not about what are supposed to be the perks of being an owner. I would never recommend Westgate to anyone buying a time share. I would advise anyone thinking of buying to check comsumer comments before doing so. Our first year as owners we did not get what was promised. In a meeting with management I was threatened by security if I communicated with potential owners there for a sales pitch. Obama is not Siegel’s problem – his business tactics are.