Gov. Deal tries to silence ethics gadfly with legal cannon

If Gov. Nathan Deal is a little sensitive about questions regarding ethics, it may be understandable. The ethical doubts surrounding him are hardly a secret in Georgia politics.

When Deal resigned from Congress in 2010 to run for governor, he left Washington under the cloud of an ethics investigation into misuse of his office and staff for personal financial gain. During the subsequent campaign, those questions were compounded by Deal’s failure to be candid about significant personal debt that he incurred investing in a son-in-law’s bankrupt business, and by the confusing way that Deal and his staff had mixed their personal business with campaign business.

In the end, those issues did not prevent Deal from eking out a narrow win in the GOP primary and then earning a sweeping victory in the general election. But the questions have not gone away.

In fact, subsequent events have not exactly boosted public confidence. After a local television station raised questions about campaign payments to Deal’s daughter, his staff punished the station by using state police to bar its reporters from an important press conference. It was a petty use of power intended purely to intimidate.

Another event occurred in June 2011, as the director and chief investigator for the state ethics commission were preparing to subpoena Deal campaign documents. That investigation ended abruptly when the two staff members were pressured to resign by the commission chairman, a Deal appointee. The commission cited budgetary problems for its decision, but the two staff members have since filed suit claiming that they were wrongly terminated to protect the governor.

Last month, events took yet another interesting turn. In a filing with the ethics commission, Deal charged that a handful of ethics complaints filed against him by George Anderson, a well-known ethics gadfly, had been frivolous and unsubstantiated, and he demanded repayment of his legal costs in defending himself against them.

It’s true that of the hundreds of ethics complaints filed by Anderson over the years, more than a few have been based on raw rumor and worse. But other complaints filed by Anderson have proved embarrassingly correct, including some that others initially shrugged off as silly. Just this summer, in a case filed by Anderson, Deal agreed to pay a $3,350 fine for “technical violations” of campaign disclosure laws.

The motion filed by Deal deals with a set of complaints initiated by Anderson that the commission deemed unsubstantiated. Deal’s attorney, Randy Evans, argues that Anderson ought to bear “at least some accountability” for raising such charges, and a 2010 law gives Deal the right to do so by demanding legal costs.

But Anderson aside, here’s the problem: When someone files an ethics complaint, it can be difficult to know without an official investigation whether it has a basis in fact. By raising the spectre of a significant financial penalty if a complaint is found groundless, the law discourages citizens from using the ethics process. And that’s exactly what it was intended to do. It was enacted by those who wield political power in order to protect those who wield political power, and it’s troubling to see it used against a private citizen of limited means by the most powerful political figure in the state.

The minor annoyance caused by Anderson simply isn’t worth the precedent and example that Deal sets with this decision.

– Jay Bookman

114 comments Add your comment

barking frog

October 8th, 2012
10:02 am

A bad Deal that will only get
worse.

Jm

October 8th, 2012
10:02 am

Fire Deal

But you have to wait two mre years.

Jm

October 8th, 2012
10:04 am

Georgia can’t afford four more years of Deal

larry

October 8th, 2012
10:05 am

This isn’t suprising , this was something i was warning about before he was elected. He’s the most corrupt politician since some guy named Talmadge back in the 40’s.

But some how this will be Obama’s fault. In 3………2………1…….

barking frog

October 8th, 2012
10:08 am

Georgians seem to desire
their politicians to be
crooks.

Cutty

October 8th, 2012
10:09 am

‘Stay classy Braves fans!’

-Chipper

Ronald Reagan Parkway

October 8th, 2012
10:10 am

…and he wants the voters in this “Great State” to give him control over the Charter Schools….JUST SAY NO to the Charter School Amendment. He probably has all of his good ole boys lined up and waiting for our tax dollars to be diverted to them.

Moderate Line

October 8th, 2012
10:10 am

But Anderson aside, here’s the problem: When someone files an ethics complaint, it can be difficult to know without an official investigation whether it has a basis in fact. By raising the spectre of a significant financial penalty if a complaint is found groundless, the law discourages citizens from using the ethics process.
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I agree with what you say to some sense, however, you do not want the process to be a way of bullying people with endless charges of ethics violations. Let’s not forget all the charges against Clinton and the only thing that stuck was his lying to investigators about his relationship with an intern. Just because something finally sticks does not mean the investigation was worth the trouble.

The real problem is that politicians are insulated from accountability because their own side will always stand up for them. Nixon failed because Republicans deserted him. That would not happen now.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

October 8th, 2012
10:11 am

Republican Georgians, the GOP dream…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
10:12 am

Not a fan of Deal, but if someone is chasing me around with “hundreds of ethics complaints” then something has to be done.

MC

October 8th, 2012
10:12 am

That Nathan Deal could get elected to any office reflects poorly on the entire state.

Jm

October 8th, 2012
10:14 am

Sam Olens should’ve run then….

down here in georgia..

October 8th, 2012
10:14 am

Jose

October 8th, 2012
10:15 am

NOTICE HOW WHEN THE POLLS SHOW OBAMA AHEAD JAY POSTS ABOUT IT

but when they show romney pulling even
he posts about something from left field

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
10:17 am

but when they show romney pulling even
he posts about something from left field

NOTICE HOW JOSE MISSED IT DOWNSTAIRS

Rightwing Troll

October 8th, 2012
10:17 am

Glenn Richardson has to like his chances here in GA…

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
10:18 am

“NOTICE HOW JOSE MISSED IT DOWNSTAIRS”

wow. seriously. reading is fundamental.

Doggone/GA

October 8th, 2012
10:18 am

“but when they show romney pulling even
he posts about something from left field”

You are obviously not paying attention

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
10:20 am

Glenn Richardson has to like his chances here in GA…

I believe there was a story in the print edition of the AJC about that very thing yesterday. It seems that he is having trouble raising donations.

Jose

October 8th, 2012
10:20 am

HIT A NERVE
AND LIBERALS GET CATTY

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
10:22 am

nope – just pointing out that you’re … well … not particularly observant.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
10:22 am

HIT A NERVE
AND LIBERALS GET CATTY

WHEN JOSE IS LATE OUT OF BED ON MONDAY MORNING AND MISSES THE FIRST THREAD, HE GETS ALL POUTRAGEY

larry

October 8th, 2012
10:23 am

he posts about something from left field”

This is actually more important than a canidate whose own campaign had to fact check him pulling even with the president for one day.

What’s the ole saying , all politics are local.

Pizzaman

October 8th, 2012
10:23 am

That’s GA’s Gov, the Crooked Deal. Remember: ya get what ya deserve when ya vote the “party” line.

Doggone/GA

October 8th, 2012
10:23 am

“HIT A NERVE AND LIBERALS GET CATTY”

when you set yourself up to be laughed at you have NOT “hit a nerve”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
10:24 am

when you set yourself up to be laughed at you have NOT “hit a nerve”

The “funny bone” immediately leaps to mind.

Jose

October 8th, 2012
10:28 am

LIBERALS ARE SO FUNNY
ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE 47%

IT MUST FEEL SHAMEFUL TO NOT PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE LIKE ROMNEY

TWO PEAS IN A POD

HATING EACH OTHER YET SHARING SO MUCH IN COMMON

Jm

October 8th, 2012
10:28 am

Poor powers of observation are a bipartisan issue

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 8th, 2012
10:31 am

“he posts about something from left field”

Jay posted something about the infield fly rule? I missed it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 8th, 2012
10:32 am

Well if you are going to hit people with “fees” for “frivilous or unfounded complaints”, should they not get a reward when there is an actual ethical issue? Where is the believe in the free market? :D

USMC

October 8th, 2012
10:32 am

Pres. Obama tries to silence ethics gadfly with legal cannon

Obama move on defense layoff notices ‘patently illegal’
http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/259517-graham-says-hell-block-reimbursements-in-layoff-notice-fight

barking frog

October 8th, 2012
10:34 am

jose
cap lock.

TaxPayer

October 8th, 2012
10:35 am

“Let’s Make A Deal” and “The Price Is Right.” I know there’s some game show irony in there somewhere.

OBIWAN

October 8th, 2012
10:36 am

I am so glad the democrats have no ethics issues….oh wait that would be a big lie…

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
10:38 am

“IT MUST FEEL SHAMEFUL TO NOT PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE LIKE ROMNEY”

wow. senior citizens – the members of the Greatest Generation – haven’t paid their fair share??? I’ll let YOU tell that one to my dadkins.

Doggone/GA

October 8th, 2012
10:39 am

“I am so glad the democrats have no ethics issues….oh wait that would be a big lie”

First rule of the playground: “Tommy did it too” is not a valid defense

And it’s interesting that you would self-identify as a “big” liar.

TaxPayer

October 8th, 2012
10:40 am

I wonder how that not paying your fair share line would have gone over with Jose’s parents. Try that line on them, Jose, and report back.

Pete

October 8th, 2012
10:41 am

Deal will continue to win elections as long as he has an R by his name. We will elect any crook, idiot, or neanderthal as long as he is a Republican and says he hates gays, abortion, liberals, and immigrants and loves guns and Jesus.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
10:41 am

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

….oh wait that would be a big lie

larry

October 8th, 2012
10:41 am

Oh great , here comes the ” President is actually the governor of the state of Georgia” posts.

Meanwhile, the guy from California, you know the one with the pawn and porn shops that the governor self-financed , is saying business isn’t so good at the former Wilder’s Outdoors.

Hey, wait, here’s my suprised look!! Duh!!!

RF

October 8th, 2012
10:44 am

As obvious as it was at the time, Deal won simply because his name was followed on the ballot by the glorious ‘R’….we got what we deserved for being so narrow-minded. And I guarantee you he’ll end up reelected because, in the end, more people in this state care about party affiliation above all else.

larry

October 8th, 2012
10:45 am

loves guns and Jesus.

Isn’t that a contradiction in terms.

Welcome to today’s GOP.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 8th, 2012
10:45 am

What Romney will bring to America:

A report recently released by the Institute for Global Labor and Human Rights reveals that while Romney was deeply invested at a firm called Global-Tech, low pay and horrific conditions were status quo at its Chinese appliance factory. Was Romney aware? Let’s take a look at the presidential hopeful’s own words:

“When I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there. It employed about 20,000 people. And they were almost all young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married. And they work in these huge factories, they made various uh, small appliances. And uh, as we were walking through this facility, seeing them work, the number of hours they worked per day, the pittance they earned, living in dormitories with uh, with little bathrooms at the end of maybe 10, 10 room, rooms. And the rooms they have 12 girls per room. Three bunk beds on top of each other. You’ve seen, you’ve seen them? (Oh…yeah, yeah!) And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers.”

alternet.org

RF

October 8th, 2012
10:48 am

@USinUK: to make matters worse, social security is taxed at about 85%. Soooo, my dad, who worked for 50 years, paid taxes, and finally retired is still taxed on the little he gets from SS. He’s alone now since Mom passed, so he has little in the way of deductions with the small pension he gets in addition to SS. It’s sad.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 8th, 2012
10:48 am

Ironic that Deal and his govt buddies did not worry about the costs of pursuing birther claims…… ;)

So its only “ethics” that are a concern?

Jefferson

October 8th, 2012
10:48 am

Deal makes republican supporters look plain stupid. Thank him.

larry

October 8th, 2012
10:49 am

Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

October 8th, 2012
10:45 am

Of course that backs up what the Chinese foreign minister said a couple weeks ago when Romney was critizing the President on his China policy. He thought it was funny Romney was saying something when he made most of his investment income in China.

Trolls Bane

October 8th, 2012
10:49 am

Deal is a republican GA polititian … that is all you need to know. … corruption is indemic to politics in this state…

From the bottom (county commision / zoning boards) to the tip-top.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
10:50 am

RF – 10:48 – I’m sorry to hear that your dad is a moocher. I’m sure you feel the same shame I do about my 2 veteran uncles and veteran father.

Brosephus™

October 8th, 2012
10:51 am

This is nothing but a case of “Beware of what you ask for because you just might get it.” Time and time again, primary voters tend to pick the biggest turd possible out of all candidates. Guess you gotta wait two more years to do anything about it.

On the surface, there’s probably something that could be done to keep people from abusing the ethics complaint process. However, its far easier to be ethical than to try to hide stuff. Quit electing ethically challenged candidates. Quit rewarding unethical behavior. Then you don’t have to worry about someone filing “meaningless” ethics complaints.

larry

October 8th, 2012
10:51 am

Ironic that Deal and his govt buddies did not worry about the costs of pursuing birther claims……

And joining a lawsuit over the ACA that costs a lot of money.

But , hey, at least Sam Olens got to see Washington free of charge.

Don't Tread

October 8th, 2012
10:52 am

“Nixon failed because Republicans deserted him. That would not happen now.”

I’m sure Mark Sanford would disagree.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
10:52 am

” Time and time again, primary voters tend to pick the biggest turd possible out of all candidates”

my coworker likes to say, “you can’t polish a turd – but you can roll it in glitter”

RF

October 8th, 2012
10:52 am

@USinUK: yes, he’s part of that despicable 47%….oh wait, he’s Republican, so does he get a pass since he’ll probably vote for Romney? He and I most emphatically do NOT discuss politics, EVER! :-)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 8th, 2012
10:52 am

Well, I say, let politicans be politicans. They all cheat and lie. You got to give them a little room to do it. You can’t go squalling every time one of them pulls a fast one. If you do that, you’ll get a honest politican, and everybody knows one of them ain’t worth what you flush down the toilet every morning ’cause he ain’t got a friend in this world except his dog.

So you got to leave them to their business and shut up, and the question you got to ask is, Do I want a lyin’ cheatin’ librul Democrat or a lyin’ cheatin’ Conservative Republican? All us GA folks know the answer to that question.

Have a good Monday everybody.

getalife

October 8th, 2012
10:53 am

Funny thread :)

Verbal Kint

October 8th, 2012
10:53 am

Interesting. I’m quite certain this will never be mentioned by the media:

“In an explosive report set to send shockwaves through official Washington, the Government Accountability Institute (GAI) released a 108-page GAI investigation into the threat of foreign and fraudulent Internet campaign donations in U.S. federal elections (visit campaignfundingrisks.com to download the full report).

Breitbart News obtained an advance copy of the bombshell report which reveals that the Obama.com website is not owned by the president’s campaign but rather by Obama bundler Robert Roche, a U.S. citizen living in Shanghai, China. Roche is the chairman of a Chinese infomercial company, Acorn International, with ties to state-controlled banks that allow it to “gain revenue through credit card transactions with Chinese banks.”

There’s more.

The unusual Obama.com website redirects traffic directly to a donation page on the Obama campaign’s official website, my.barackobama.com, which does not require donors tob enter their credit card security code (known as the CVV code), thereby increasing the likelihood of foreign or fraudulent donations. The website is managed by a small web development firm, Wicked Global, in Maine. One of Wicked Global’s employees, Greg Dorr, lists on his LinkedIn page his additional employment with Peace Action Maine and Maine Voices for Palestinian Rights. According to the GAI report, 68 percent of all Internet traffic to Obama.com comes from foreign visitors.

And still more.

In 2011, Mr. Roche obtained one of the most sought-after pieces of real estate in Washington, DC: a seat at the head table for President Obama’s State Dinner for Chinese President Hu Jintao. How Roche—a man whose infomercial company hawks fitness equipment, cell phones, and breast enhancement products—landed a seat alongside Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former President Bill Clinton, Sen. John Kerry, former President Jimmy Carter, and Chinese President Hu Jintao remains unclear.

Since 2009, White House Visitor Logs list the name Robert Roche at least 19 times, despite the fact Mr. Roche’s primary residence is in China.”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 8th, 2012
10:54 am

my coworker likes to say, “you can’t polish a turd – but you can roll it in glitter”

A dark side of Martha Stewart?

RF

October 8th, 2012
10:54 am

“Quit electing ethically challenged candidates.”

Geez, who’d be left? The honest ones would have birth certificate problems or attend a radical church…or something.

Skip

October 8th, 2012
10:54 am

Deal is the type Georgia boys vote for, why the surprise?

josef

October 8th, 2012
10:55 am

Big Daddy

Ethics and public officials? And you call me Sir Laurence! Seriously, Mec, you might as well be f*rting in a whirlwind.

Don't Tread

October 8th, 2012
10:56 am

“Quit electing ethically challenged candidates. Quit rewarding unethical behavior.”

I’ll be doing that in about a month. (Not that I supported him the first time either.)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
10:57 am

Interesting. I’m quite certain this will never be mentioned by the media:

Already posted downstairs and mocked.

Even drudgey isn’t linking it.

getalife

October 8th, 2012
10:57 am

You will not see romney give any plans on foreign policy too.

Roll that dice Americans.

RF

October 8th, 2012
10:58 am

“Breitbart News obtained an advance copy of the bombshell ”

See, I stopped reading at that point….if you want reliable information, anything that comes from that source, along with Hertiage, Americans for Prosperity, etc. will get you laughed out of anything but a Fox News gathering.

So did Breitbart News finish its research into the offshore Romney holdings?

Brosephus™

October 8th, 2012
10:58 am

my coworker likes to say, “you can’t polish a turd – but you can roll it in glitter”

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/polishing-a-turd-minimyth.htm

Robert

October 8th, 2012
10:59 am

Ethics Commissions all are over Georgia make short order of ethics complaints. Real investigations are so rarely done, it makes a joke of the process. Even so, citizens should be commended for bringing forth their concerns about possible breaches in ethics or even the violations of the law.

George Anderson is a hero. Many, many successful prosecutions have followed his complaints. That of former Mayor Bill Campbell for one.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
11:00 am

“Republican, so does he get a pass since he’ll probably vote for Romney? He and I most emphatically do NOT discuss politics, EVER! ”

ohmygod – we have the same dad!!!

Peadawg

October 8th, 2012
11:00 am

America needs better choices. Romney vs. Obama. Barnes vs. Deal. Yikes….

josef

October 8th, 2012
11:03 am

Oh, BTW, Happy Columbus Day!

larry

October 8th, 2012
11:04 am

Ethics Commissions all are over Georgia make short order of ethics complaints

Especially when you eliminate the State Ethics Board.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
11:04 am

““Breitbart News obtained an advance copy of the bombshell ””

:lol:

ohsweetjeebus … quoting Breitbart news???

RF

October 8th, 2012
11:04 am

@Brosephus: Just when you think you’ve seen it all….I’m glad I’m off today or I would be in serious trouble for laughing out loud at that one! Who knew the Myth Buster guys would take on that challenge?

getalife

October 8th, 2012
11:10 am

mitt will talk about foreign policy today but will say something else in the debate.

Media call that winning.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
11:10 am

Do the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS! have a legal canon?

Moderate Line

October 8th, 2012
11:10 am

Brosephus™
October 8th, 2012
10:51 am

This is nothing but a case of “Beware of what you ask for because you just might get it.” Time and time again, primary voters tend to pick the biggest turd possible out of all candidates. Guess you gotta wait two more years to do anything about it.

On the surface, there’s probably something that could be done to keep people from abusing the ethics complaint process. However, its far easier to be ethical than to try to hide stuff. Quit electing ethically challenged candidates. Quit rewarding unethical behavior. Then you don’t have to worry about someone filing “meaningless” ethics complaints.
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The only way to not vote for unethical politicians is to not vote. They are all unethical to some degree as are all of us. We will always have unethical politicians and meaningless ethics complaints no matter what. It is unavoidable. The question is how to deal with them.

Brosephus™

October 8th, 2012
11:12 am

America needs better choices. Romney vs. Obama. Barnes vs. Deal. Yikes….

No, America simply needs to MAKE better choices when they have the opportunity. None of those four ran unopposed during their primaries (Obama in 2008).

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
11:13 am

“cannon” not “canon” although I’m sure any cameras were legally obtained.

Just Saying..

October 8th, 2012
11:13 am

The race to the bottom between Paul Broun and Nathan Deal tightens…

Citizen of the World

October 8th, 2012
11:14 am

Deal’s R-right, right, righties?

Brosephus™

October 8th, 2012
11:15 am

RF

I had to search for that one. I had heard about it but never saw it on tv.

————————–

Moderate Line

The only way to not vote for unethical politicians is to not vote.

I completely disagree. If you remove the cause of most ethics issues, money, you can clean things up. The people we elect are no different than any of us who vote for them for the most part. Greed and the love of money causes us more issues than any partisaned positioning ever could.

bob

October 8th, 2012
11:15 am

From what I have read about Anderson is that he makes accusations yet sometimes has not shown up for the court proceedings, basically conceding the case. And the economist that the Obama campaign said taxes would go up 5 trillion has issued a statement that the obo admin is making it up. “But that’s not true. Princeton professor Harvey Rosen tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD in an email that the Obama campaign is misrepresenting his paper on Romney’s tax plan:

I can’t tell exactly how the Obama campaign reached that characterization of my work. It might be that they assume that Governor Romney wants to keep the taxes from the Affordable Care Act in place, despite the fact that the Governor has called for its complete repeal. The main conclusion of my study is that under plausible assumptions, a proposal along the lines suggested by Governor Romney can both be revenue neutral and keep the net tax burden on taxpayers with incomes above $200,000 about the same. That is, an increase in the tax burden on lower and middle income individuals is not required in order to make the overall plan revenue neutral. ” Another lie from the obama campaign.

getalife

October 8th, 2012
11:17 am

mitt has a tax plan bob?

If he does, he will run away from it in the next debate.

OBIWAN

October 8th, 2012
11:18 am

“wow. senior citizens – the members of the Greatest Generation – haven’t paid their fair share??? I’ll let YOU tell that one to my dadkins”

I am just a little confused as to why the left wing losers always say that about our seniors? Did these seniors pay taxes all their life, yes, did they pay in to social security, yes. Also they are paying taxes on goods and services when they buy something, and if they own a house they pay property taxes,,,,So please justify this stupid comment from the left…

RF

October 8th, 2012
11:20 am

bob: From Deal and ethics complaints to Obama…and not even with six degrees of separation. Amazing how many times that happens here.

BRW

October 8th, 2012
11:20 am

OBIWAN, You should try using the force and see…………….Sarcasm……..

getalife

October 8th, 2012
11:22 am

wan,

Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

Brosephus™

October 8th, 2012
11:22 am

The main conclusion of my study is that under plausible assumptions, a proposal along the lines suggested by Governor Romney can both be revenue neutral and keep the net tax burden on taxpayers with incomes above $200,000 about the same.

And I guess Harvey Rosen is being quite generous with his “plausible assumptions” in the same manner that Ryan’s Budget plan works when unemployment is 2%, huh?

:lol:

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
11:23 am

“I am just a little confused as to why the left wing losers always say that about our seniors? ”

holy moly – did you hear the whooshing sound as the point went over your head?

the point is that 10% of the mythical Moocher 47% ARE seniors. So, when you have numpties like Jose point out the whole 47% lie, I like to point out that he’s calling our seniors slackers.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
11:23 am

“Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?”

or the brightest porch light on the block.

RF

October 8th, 2012
11:24 am

“ohmygod – we have the same dad!!!”

Well, that was that stint in the air force he never got into details about…

It’s a generation thing in my family. Dad’s not exactly excited about a half-black man in the WH and gets red in the face when you talk about a woman holding the job. I had to take over Mom’s job of rolling the eyes behind his back at his political discussions when she passed.

RF

October 8th, 2012
11:27 am

“or the brightest porch light on the block.”

The Republican Southern White strategy at it’s finest…

Moderate Line

October 8th, 2012
11:27 am

Brosephus™
October 8th, 2012
11:12 am

America needs better choices. Romney vs. Obama. Barnes vs. Deal. Yikes….

No, America simply needs to MAKE better choices when they have the opportunity. None of those four ran unopposed during their primaries (Obama in 2008).
+++++
Excellent point. There is nothing keeping anyone here from starting their own political movement outside of the established parties or within the two parties.

2.5 million voted in the governors election while only 1.26 million voted in the primary. I believe 52% of the people voted in the governors election which means less than 25% voted in the primary.

josef

October 8th, 2012
11:28 am

getalife

The latest Syria-Turkey clash today is along the Hatay border…

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

October 8th, 2012
11:29 am

“Well, that was that stint in the air force he never got into details about…”

ah, there you go … my dad was army …

my dad is as socially liberal as you get (pro-choice, pro-birth control, doesn’t care if people are gay as long as he doesn’t have to hear details) – he’s a good old-fashioned Eisenhower republican -

USMC

October 8th, 2012
11:31 am

ABC News: More bad news for Pres Obama’s Cover up in Libya…

Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/security-team-commander-says-ambassador-stevens-wanted-his-team-to-stay-in-libya-past-august-2/

RF

October 8th, 2012
11:34 am

– he’s a good old-fashioned Eisenhower republican -

Whatever happened to those folks? I kinda liked them and actually was one in past decades before they all got on the Tea Party express to Crazyland.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 8th, 2012
11:34 am

ABC News: More bad news for Pres Obama’s Cover up in Libya…

More drudgey spam.

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Mr_B

October 8th, 2012
11:37 am

“Oh, BTW, Happy Columbus Day!”
And condolences to the Unmentionable One.

Brosephus™

October 8th, 2012
11:37 am

Moderate Line

If you look at most every election, I think the primary voters tend to be half as many or even fewer than the general elections. You end up with a handful of people making the choices that everyone else has to choose from. I tend to focus more on primary and local votes. That’s where you get more bang for the vote. By the time you get to federal elections, they are all bought and paid for by those with means, so they really don’t have much use for the 99% other than the votes needed to take office.