Gallup: Debate loss erases Obama’s lead entirely
How badly did President Obama lose the first presidential debate?
Gallup says 72 percent of those who watched the debate believed that Romney had won; just 20 percent sided with Obama. In fact, “Romney’s 52-point win is the largest Gallup has measured. The prior largest margin was 42 points for Bill Clinton over George H.W. Bush in the 1992 town hall debate.”
But here’s the most important thing:
In its three days of polling prior to the debate, Gallup found Obama with a consistent four-to-six point lead. In the three after the debate, Gallup found them even. Historically, debates aren’t supposed to shift the polls to such a degree, but historically, that was a whupping the likes of which we hadn’t seen before.
– Jay Bookman
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Jm
October 8th, 2012
9:02 am
Kam
That’s four words
Actually, played in context it still sounds bad, so beat that drum all you want, it doesn’t help
TaxPayer
October 8th, 2012
9:03 am
It seems you can use a computer well enough to type, I wonder why you’re on disability…..
jm at his finest. loser.
kayaker 71
October 8th, 2012
9:04 am
Brocephus, 8:56,
Tell me why anyone, especially a sitting president, would file a lawsuit to keep military from voting. Now that’s not just in any state….. it’s Ohio. And that’s the only one. He didn’t do it in CA or NY….. just Ohio where those 18 electoral votes are critical to a second term. Now, seriously, Brocephus….. you rant on and on about suppression of those poor unfortunates that just can’t possibly have a picture ID because they are minorities and then you ignore an egregious insult to our military, especially those overseas. Hypocrisy…… it is alive and well.
Go Greyhound
October 8th, 2012
9:05 am
Anonymous @ 8:50 am
In fact if he becomes President, I’m moving to Canada
Start packing and let us know where we can send your prepaid Greyhound ticket. Remember, if you talk the talk you better be ready to walk the walk!!!!
Tundra Dude
October 8th, 2012
9:05 am
to Kayak:
There is no Rasmussen poll, it’s a pay-to-poll agency , Pulse Opinion Research.
It’s no secret, you call mainly landline phones, you’ll reach disproportionately old flatulating conservatives.
http://bit.ly/QEMrSO
Rasmussen Polling Methodology Leaves A Lot To Be Desired
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 8th, 2012
9:05 am
USinUK
I just checked in over at drudgey and saw this:
Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Conservative leader, is to highlight official figures showing that only 283,080 households north of the border – 12 per cent of the total – pay more in tax than they receive in public services.
[...]
She will blame Alex Salmond, the SNP First Minister, and his Labour predecessors for nurturing a “corrosive sense of entitlement” among voters that has prevented her party making a comeback in Scotland.
Do y’all have Whole Foods over there in the UK?
Are there huge __________ ladies with grocery carts filled with steaks and lobster paying for it with food stamps and their __________ kids all wearing the latest Air Jordans talking on their iphones?
Are they then followed out to their Bentleys with the 30′ spinners?
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
9:05 am
Two Parties, One Con (Welcome)
October 8th, 2012
9:02 am
So, Jay, I know you focus is on national and local issues, but any chance you have a take you’d care to share on the re-election of that big bugaboo of the American liberal establishment, the big awful socialist ‘dictator’ Chavez?
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Is THAT the new talk radio tack? Focus on Chavez? Gearing up for another unfunded republican war? We gonna invade South America this time?
Jm
October 8th, 2012
9:06 am
Taxpayer
The Internet and computer make it possible for most everyone to work if they have the willpower
For Pete’s sake, if Stephen Hawking can work, so can most Americans
I’m not advocating ending disability, but we shouldn’t be handing it out like lollipops either
Doggone/GA
October 8th, 2012
9:07 am
“So, Jay, I know you focus is on national and local issues, but any chance you have a take you’d care to share”
blogspot.com is ready when you are
Brosephus™
October 8th, 2012
9:07 am
Paul: He does know his audience, doesn’t he? Just like on this blog last week – how many Republicans did we see taking issue with the latest Romney Transformation?
He’s playing them like a fiddle and they’re too obsessed with defeating Obama to see they’re getting played for fools.
Jm
October 8th, 2012
9:07 am
Anonymous
Enjoy Canada. Nice place, but you won’t be missed.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 8th, 2012
9:08 am
K71 – “The U6 numbers on unemployment are almost as bad as Georgia football.”
The U-6 has been around for as long as the BLS has been tracking labor statistics. I’m just curious as to why no one EVER quoted the U-6 prior to 2009?
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
9:09 am
kayaker 71
October 8th, 2012
9:04 am
Brocephus, 8:56,
Tell me why anyone, especially a sitting president, would file a lawsuit to keep military from voting. Now that’s not just in any state….. it’s Ohio. And that’s the only one. He didn’t do it in CA or NY….. just Ohio where those 18 electoral votes are critical to a second term. Now, seriously, Brocephus….. you rant on and on about suppression of those poor unfortunates that just can’t possibly have a picture ID because they are minorities and then you ignore an egregious insult to our military, especially those overseas. Hypocrisy…… it is alive and well.
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Wow Pinnochio, your nose must have grown three feet this morning. have you NO shame?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 8th, 2012
9:09 am
Enjoy
CanadaTaiwan. Nice place, but you won’t be missed.TaxPayer
October 8th, 2012
9:09 am
Romney Smears Obama, Falsely Claims He Filed Lawsuit To Restrict Military Voting In Ohio
Lying. It’s a Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan/Republican trademark.
RW-(the original)
October 8th, 2012
9:09 am
Anyone know why Team Obama has adverts on my TeeVee? I saw a few whilst watching the Division Series this weekend, and I thought, “well that’s kind of weird/a waste of money, targeting Georgians.”
stands for…,
What you’re seeing are the national slots during those broadcasts. When ad time is allocated on a national broadcast network some of it is local, but other slots are national.
stands for decibels
October 8th, 2012
9:10 am
That kayaker. Always clowning around
As someone who will let loose an occasional “Mittens” himself, I do find it rather charming to see that Kayaker seems to believe that if he *ever* fails to refer to the President as “Bozo,” Tinkerbell dies, or something.
Mr. Lost without a telepromter or talking points
October 8th, 2012
9:10 am
So, libs — Why didn’t Obama challenge Romney DURING the debate????
stands for decibels
October 8th, 2012
9:10 am
When ad time is allocated on a national broadcast network some of it is local, but other slots are national.
That’s kinda what I figured, but wasn’t sure, thanks.
Two Parties, One Con (Welcome)
October 8th, 2012
9:12 am
Fred: “Is THAT the new talk radio tack? Focus on Chavez? Gearing up for another unfunded republican war? We gonna invade South America this time?”
No, this is something you’ll probably hear next to nothing about as there is almost total agreement on Chavez between the two parties and throughout the entire media establishment: they universally despise him. So, as with other issues the parties are in lockstep agreement on, you won’t hear too much other than some sniffs and snide dismissals about the ‘takers’ and deluded masses of Venezuela not knowing any better. Funny how the US mainstream press will deride the “47% takers” remarks of Mitt Romney and then turn around and suggest the same basic thing when it sees results elsewhere that it doesn’t like.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 8th, 2012
9:13 am
“When teleprompters are outlawed, only outlaws will have teleprompters.”
– Thomas Jefferson
Paul
October 8th, 2012
9:14 am
kayaker 71
“Bozo trying to suppress the military vote by not allowing them to extend their time to vote in Ohio.”
I’m beginning to doubt you were ever in the military, let alone the rank you claim. else you’d know the Ohio case was not about the traditional absentee voter policies or about, residency vs location regarding voting. You would know it was about early voting and you’d know a federal judge issued an injunction denying modifying the early voting rules to give special privileges to military members.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/military.asp
Brosephus™
October 8th, 2012
9:14 am
Tell me why anyone, especially a sitting president, would file a lawsuit to keep military from voting.
As soon as a sitting president does that, I’ll answer that question. When you have to lie to protect legislation, maybe the legislation is effed up from the beginning. Nobody tried to keep the military from voting. That law in Ohio cut back the number of days EVERYONE ELSE got to vote. We still believe in Equal Protection here in the US, and that includes Macon too.
Now, seriously, Brocephus….. you rant on and on about suppression of those poor unfortunates that just can’t possibly have a picture ID because they are minorities and then you ignore an egregious insult to our military, especially those overseas.
As a 2nd Generation Black male who’s voicing concerns over voter rights, you’re damned right I will protect the rights of ALL Americans to vote. As somebody in their 70’s you know how many Americans lost their lives trying to get equal access to the ballot box. Either you’re playing stupid about our past or you were one of those who fought against that equal access. Based on your bigoted and somewhat racists bullsh*t you post here, I’d go with the latter, but that’s water off a duck’s back now.
That law wasn’t no insult to the military and you damn well know it. That law was an insult to the everyday man and woman of Ohio who lost 3 days access to the ballot box. When you have to lie to make your point, you don’t really have a point to make. Trying to use the military as an accessory in that lie would disgrace almost anybody, but since we’re talking about you kayaker, I doubt you feel anything bad at all for pushing that lie.
TaxPayer
October 8th, 2012
9:14 am
I’m not advocating ending disability, but we shouldn’t be handing it out like lollipops either
Meanwhile, jm, you toss out the bull like the free lollipops without even giving your own words a second thought.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 8th, 2012
9:15 am
HUGO ‘WINS’…
Supporters party…
Divided nation…
Tanks in streets…
drudgey spam
Jm
October 8th, 2012
9:15 am
Obama is an empty suit
You saw the real Obama during the debate
And he sux
lynnie gal
October 8th, 2012
9:15 am
Intelligent Designer–Slate link works. Thanks for sharing.
A few polls after a poor debate performance by Obama does not an election make.
kayaker 71
October 8th, 2012
9:15 am
Butch, 9:08,
“Prior to 2009?”……. Seems like the numbers were somewhat better then. Except for a brief time in 1980 due to Carter’s bungling of the economy, the numbers have been well below 8%. We have been closer, if you take the highs and lows, to a traditional 5%, through Reagan, Ford, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. And, in recent political history, we have never had unemployment at so high a percentage that lasted so long.
RW-(the original)
October 8th, 2012
9:16 am
And to be a tad more clear you’ll mainly only see those national slots on a TBS/TNT type of national broadcast. It’s far too expensive to do that on an NBC/ABC type so if you see them there it’ll probably be very late in the race or someone has gone daft and run local spots for no apparent reason.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 8th, 2012
9:16 am
Biden Takes 6 Days Off Campaign Trail to Prep for Debate…
drudgey spam
Jm
October 8th, 2012
9:17 am
Chavez to go big on socialism
Been working swell so far (/sarc)
He says Obama would vote for him. On that point he’s correct.
Brosephus™
October 8th, 2012
9:17 am
kayaker
One last point to show you don’t have a clue as to what you’re talking about, how did that Ohio law affect military votes overseas? Given that overseas voters usually vote by absentee ballot, how did that law affect them when the law gave military three extra days of IN PERSON voting? Talk about peddling stupidity down Main Street….
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
9:18 am
No, this is something you’ll probably hear next to nothing about as there is almost total agreement on Chavez between the two parties and throughout the entire media establishment: they universally despise him.
There ya go sport. So why do YOU insist on talking about a non issue, that asshat Chavez? just engaging in your talk radio/FOX news practice of slinging poo against a wall to see what sticks?
stands for decibels
October 8th, 2012
9:18 am
I posted this earlier…
Karl is tipping his Klan hood and saying “nicely done!”
and ya know, that’s a really stupid thing to post even in jest. My apologies.
Jm
October 8th, 2012
9:18 am
Let’s see Obama do a live press conference with reporters asking questions.
Oh wait he doesn’t do those anymore.
TaxPayer
October 8th, 2012
9:19 am
Why didn’t Obama challenge Romney DURING the debate????
Why should President Obama be confronted with a scenario where he must remind his opponent repeatedly that he should not be telling lies in order to “win” the moment. President Obama has enough of that crap to contend with when dealing with Iran’s leaders, etc. Mitt should be honest. He should set a good example for his children and for his constituency.
Mick
October 8th, 2012
9:20 am
jm
So what was romney? Santa claus? Promised anything an everything just to muddle up the picture. His plan has been analyzed and the numbers just don’t add up but…just trust us and when we get in we’ll let you know. I don’t think so…
Jm
October 8th, 2012
9:21 am
Let’s see Obama speak extemporaneously
Oh wait, he doesn’t do that. Well, anyway.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 8th, 2012
9:22 am
The Romney debate lies:
9) “The president’s put it in place as much public debt — almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined.” This is not even close to being true. When Obama took office, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. Now the national debt is over $16 trillion. That $5.374 trillion increase is nowhere near as much debt as all the other presidents combined.
ThinkProgress
stands for decibels
October 8th, 2012
9:22 am
It’s far too expensive to do that on an NBC/ABC type so if you see them there it’ll probably be very late in the race or someone has gone daft and run local spots for no apparent reason.
Yep.
Now, if you could explain why Henry Repeating Arms keeps running all those ads on MSNBC, I’m going to have to elevate you to Most High Pundit Poobah status.
(mind you, I love the ads, myself…)
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
9:23 am
Hello!
The popular vote is like the Time of Possession stat in football.
Which is to say, a heckuva lot less relevant than the actual score. As in the actual score of the Electoral College.
Where the incumbent’s lead has not evaporated.
But this “tightening of the race” is all good for those easily amused by the corproate media who need such distractions!
Ben Shockley
October 8th, 2012
9:23 am
I’m buying as much stock in Tide as I can afford. Liberals have been wetting their beds all over America since that debate shellacking.
hiram
October 8th, 2012
9:23 am
The “undecided” electorate is like the huge flocks of black birds that simultaneously change direction in flight every few seconds. Lacking the ability to process conventional information, the upcoming debate performances will determine the direction they zig or zag next, and no one can accurately predict that.
Paul
October 8th, 2012
9:24 am
I know this is likely a losing effort for those who need it the most, but here’s an article about how the unemployment numbers are calculated, why it can seemingly conflict with the jobs numbers and all about what a great, grand conspiracy it is to benefit the incumbent (okay, so that last bit was sarcasm).
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/10/05/4314835/how-the-government-compiles-the.html#
I’m guessing there’s a group on our blog who won’t read it. Care to guess which group that is?
Woodstock Mike
October 8th, 2012
9:26 am
It’s so hilarious reading these comments!! I like when the liberals say “Romney is a liar!”. LOL
And I assume you think Obama has never told a lie right? So funny…
RB from Gwinnett
October 8th, 2012
9:26 am
From: robert brown
To: Robert Brown
Sent: Mon, October 8, 2012 9:20:53 AM
Subject:
Here’s some good data showing the growing rolls of the disability crowd. The welfare crowd knows this is the golden ticket. Get on the list, stay on the list. Get the cash and a parking space up front everywhere you go. All it takes is 1 doctor to sign the papers and I’d bet if you look at the doctor who signed the papers in evey geographical area, you’ll find they’re all taking the same path of least resistance. You’ll notice this trend actually started when Clinton’s welfare reform went into effect and has steadily risen since then. http://news.investors.com/business/042012-608418-ssdi-disability-rolls-skyrocket-under-obama.htm?p=full
As with everything else, liberals refuse to separate the people in true need of disability protection from those scamming the system. They don’t seem to notice the food stamp crowd is obese and put 2 and 2 together. Here’s a tip, libs, there is no such thing as “big boned”. They’re FAT. And they aren’t getting that way because they don’t have enough to eat. The debate over the science on that issue ended a long time ago.
Paul
October 8th, 2012
9:26 am
Ben Shockley
No matter what reincarnation you choose, you’ve never seemed to grasp the concept of discussing the topic before making your bid for attention, have you?
Obama is over
October 8th, 2012
9:27 am
Pretty sad that the new Axelrod talking points are to call the opposition liars rather than present a positive platform for the next four years- really classy. And exactly which Romney are you accusing of lying- the caraciture created by the Obama team for the past year or the Romney Obama confronted on the debate? Obama has started to believe his own BS. You can quote unnamed liberal economists all day long, but that will not be an excuse for Obama’s mediocre record.
Woodstock Mike
October 8th, 2012
9:27 am
“When Obama took office, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. Now the national debt is over $16 trillion. That $5.374 trillion increase is nowhere near as much debt as all the other presidents combined.”
This guy was actually defending Obama with the commments above. Talk about being an absolute moron!! Defending Obama for not adding as much debt as all presidents combined, that’s great!!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 8th, 2012
9:28 am
The Romney debate lies:
11) “What we do have right now is a setting where I’d like to bring money from overseas back to this country.” Romney’s plan to shift the country to a territorial tax system would allow corporations to do business and make profits overseas without ever being taxed on it in the United States. This encourages American companies to invest abroad and could cost the country up to 800,000 jobs.
ThinkProgress
TaxPayer
October 8th, 2012
9:28 am
Republicans know that honesty does not sell snake oil.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 8th, 2012
9:29 am
Woodstock Mike, try to learn how to read quotation marks in a sentence. It really helps reading comprehension.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 8th, 2012
9:29 am
Oops, looks like someone made a mistake with their copy/pasting, eh Robert Brown?
Citizen of the World
October 8th, 2012
9:32 am
Last week, according to the Republicans, polls were not to be believed — obviously skewed! Watch them latch on to this poll like a drowning man on a floatation device.
Old Goober
October 8th, 2012
9:32 am
Tell me why anyone, especially a sitting president, would file a lawsuit to keep military from voting. Now that’s not just in any state….. it’s Ohio. And that’s the only one.
“Keep military from voting” kayaker? Why don’t you tell the whole truth? The GOP in Ohio passed a law allowing extended voting for the military, which they believe favors them. The law denies the same extended voting to all others. After all, that might bring in some Democratic votes.
I won’t call you a liar—just a half-truther. But you’re as shameless as Romney in your equivocating.
DownInAlbany
October 8th, 2012
9:33 am
Obama is now soliciting campaign contributions from overseas, a clear violation of law!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 8th, 2012
9:33 am
The Romney debate lies:
19) “And, unfortunately, when — when — when you look at Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office has said it will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. So it’s adding to cost.” Obamacare will actually provide millions of families with tax credits to make health care more affordable.
TaxPayer
October 8th, 2012
9:34 am
I knew a Robert Brown at the company where I worked many years ago. I think he lived in Gwinnett. Did you get a little carried away with your post, rb.
Jefferson
October 8th, 2012
9:35 am
Seems to me Romney lost if he is going to change all of his positions, which he did.
Paul
October 8th, 2012
9:35 am
DownInAlbany
“Obama is now soliciting campaign contributions from overseas, a clear violation of law!”
Welcome to the blog. But, if you don’t want to get lumped in with all those who, as Granny Godzilla put it, get their information from the back of Lucky Charms boxes, you’ll find it advantageous to provide a bit more background and a link to show where you got your information. If it’s a place you can’t link, like Rush’s radio show, it’s okay to just say so.
bob
October 8th, 2012
9:36 am
I think Romney should hammer Obama over his lies about the embassy killings. Many here want to say Romney lied but are you really stupid enough to believe the 9/11 bombings were over a video ? CNN reported what really happened 3 days after it happened but Obama was telling the UN and everyone else it was over a video. You will never hear Romney telling his supporters they are successful only do to blind luck. On the other hand, Obama tells that to his supporters and they agree with him.
kayaker 71
October 8th, 2012
9:36 am
Finn, 9:33,
I like this one better ……… “This Health Care Plan will only cost the American taxpayer 940B dollars”.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 8th, 2012
9:36 am
Jay:
It’s not just “but historically, that was a whupping the likes of which we hadn’t seen before.”
What it really shows is Obama is TOTALLY unqualified to be President of the United States.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 8th, 2012
9:36 am
K71 – “Seems like the numbers were somewhat better then.”
I see, the U-6 only matters when you disagree with the stats. Gotcha.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 8th, 2012
9:37 am
The Romney debate lies:
This one’s a doozy:
22) “I like the way we did it [health care] in Massachusetts…What were some differences? We didn’t raise taxes.” Romney raised fees, but he can claim that he didn’t increase taxes because the federal government funded almost half of his reforms.
ThinkProgress
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 8th, 2012
9:37 am
By the way ………. I can’t believe you posted something from “Drudgey”.
Kammie will be all upset !
RB from Gwinnett
October 8th, 2012
9:37 am
Darn that “select all”!! Oh we’ll!!
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
9:38 am
DownInAlbany
October 8th, 2012
9:33 am
Obama is now soliciting campaign contributions from overseas, a clear violation of law!
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I’m sure you just *forgot* to post us a link to this little gem. But you’ll correct that immediately, right?
getalife
October 8th, 2012
9:38 am
It is a conspiracy.
DownInAlbany
October 8th, 2012
9:38 am
Ok, Paul…I’m not very techo-savvy….http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/08/claim-obama-campaign-illegally-solicited-foreign-donors-via-social-media-website/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 8th, 2012
9:38 am
Obama is now soliciting campaign contributions from overseas, a clear violation of law!
Not even on drudgey.
bob
October 8th, 2012
9:39 am
Paul, I have read this thread many times and do not see this documentation. In fact, many here are saying Romney lied in the debate yet I see no supporting links.
skipper
October 8th, 2012
9:40 am
I am an independant.period. However, I did debate in high school (along with football) and the pundits can go back and forth all they want. That was a double-barrel high-brass butt’-whoopin’ Romney dished out…….period.
Tinkerella
October 8th, 2012
9:41 am
Well, if the Mittster wins, perhaps he can get Paul Broun with some of his illustrious pearls of wisdom to help out with things. He can rewrite history (or just ignore parts of it).
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 8th, 2012
9:42 am
“Do y’all have Whole Foods over there in the UK?
Are there huge __________ ladies with grocery carts filled with steaks and lobster paying for it with food stamps and their __________ kids all wearing the latest Air Jordans talking on their iphones?
Are they then followed out to their Bentleys with the 30′ spinners?”
actually, this is where my colleagues think that I’m the hanging judge – because the welfare system here makes the one in the US look positively Scrooge-like.
Tundra Dude
October 8th, 2012
9:43 am
anony mouse wrote, in part:
I DON’T WANT ROMNEY AS PRESIDENT!!! As a person with a disability, (snipped)
I’m moving to Canada…..
No you’re not…..moving to Canada….
Even young, healthy, educated/skilled workers have difficulty trying to emigrate there.
Good luck finding any country willing to take you, unless you have a big $ta$h in the bank.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 8th, 2012
9:43 am
And something Obama said that should worry us:
“Lehrer: Do you see a major difference between the two of you on Social Security?
Obama: You know, I suspect that, on Social Security, we’ve got a somewhat similar position. Social Security is structurally sound. It’s going to have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Speaker — Democratic Speaker Tip O’Neill.”
Ladies and gentleman, that was the sound of your president offering to screw you on your retirement. This revealing exchange was followed by some politically strategic talk by both candidates about how current retirees shouldn’t be worried, because, as we all know, their votes are needed in the short term. But the rest of us? Be very, very worried.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/what-you-need-know-about-obama-and-social-security-sell-out
Talking Points
October 8th, 2012
9:44 am
Question for all of the Repubs on the blog…Why do ALL Republicans feel like they must out talk or get the last word in even when they know that they are wrong?
Example.
Weatherman:
The weather calls for a 100% chance of rain today.
Republican:
That can not be true. When Ronald Reagan was President, it never rained on Mondays.
Weatherman:
How can you say that when it has been raining all morning and there is a flash flood warning?
Republican:
That can not be true. When Ronald Reagan was President, it never rained on Mondays.
The Thin Guy
October 8th, 2012
9:44 am
If we are cursed with another 4 years of Dumb and Dumber zerØcare will make its transition from a nightmare to the straw that broke the camel’s back. It will totally destroy the American economy and our healthcare system. Look at the articles about the doctor shortage in Georgia. What do you think is going to happen in 2014? In 2014 everyone will be required to have healthcare insurance but it will be as useless as teats on a nun. All the good doctors will go to a cash only business and refuse all forms of insurance. So you will have to pay for insurance which you can use only to see a government doctor. Unless you are rich you will be forced to sit in a waiting room with thousands of other peons waiting to see your doctor who flunked out of taxidermy school in Bangthedesk. Don’t know if Mittens can prevail in the next debates but if he fails we are doomed to the Third World.
Jack
October 8th, 2012
9:45 am
Whole lotta liberal frustration goin’ on here. Hope fist fights don’t break out.
Brosephus™
October 8th, 2012
9:45 am
In fact, many here are saying Romney lied in the debate yet I see no supporting links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgfzknYd20
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
9:45 am
bob
October 8th, 2012
9:39 am
Paul, I have read this thread many times and do not see this documentation. In fact, many here are saying Romney lied in the debate yet I see no supporting links.
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Actually there have been several. Brocephus posted a great video of Romney “debating himself.” It shows a clip of Romeny saying one thing in the debate followed by his “original” position from earlier speeches. It’s quite funny. If you google Romney debate lies you’ll find many links. I got this one from googling debate lies……
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/06/1140747/-Four-of-Romney-s-big-debate-lies-in-one-nbsp-video
Goldie
October 8th, 2012
9:45 am
“President Obama has enough of that crap to contend with when dealing with Iran’s leaders, etc. Mitt should be honest.”
thanks Taxpayer — Our President came with the facts on his side and decided to not wrassle Mitt in that mud pit of lies and distortions that he kept slingin’ around!
Mighty Righty
October 8th, 2012
9:45 am
Below is “PROOF” the lies being told about the butt whipping Onama took last week are being told by Obama, not Romney.
Princeton Economist: Obama Campaign Is Misrepresenting My Study on Romney’s Tax Plan
8:45 AM, Oct 8, 2012 • By JOHN MCCORMACK
Last night, the Obama campaign blasted out another email claiming that Mitt Romney’s tax plan would either require raising taxes on the middle class or blowing a hole in the deficit. “Even the studies that Romney has cited to claim his plan adds up still show he would need to raise middle-class taxes,” said the Obama campaign press release. “In fact, Harvard economist Martin Feldstein and Princeton economist Harvey Rosen both concede that paying for Romney’s tax cuts would require large tax increases on families making between $100,000 and $200,000.”
But that’s not true. Princeton professor Harvey Rosen tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD in an email that the Obama campaign is misrepresenting his paper on Romney’s tax plan:
“I can’t tell exactly how the Obama campaign reached that characterization of my work. It might be that they assume that Governor Romney wants to keep the taxes from the Affordable Care Act in place, despite the fact that the Governor has called for its complete repeal. The main conclusion of my study is that under plausible assumptions, a proposal along the lines suggested by Governor Romney can both be revenue neutral and keep the net tax burden on taxpayers with incomes above $200,000 about the same. That is, an increase in the tax burden on lower and middle income individuals is not required in order to make the overall plan revenue neutral.”
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
9:46 am
Well looky there Brocephus, great mind not only think alike but think on the same time stamp lol.
getalife
October 8th, 2012
9:46 am
Our President had to make an ad on mitt going crazy after the Libya attack because that dang liberal media refuses to talk about it.
The media is doing a great job for romney and the gop.
Fred ™
October 8th, 2012
9:48 am
Our President came with the facts on his side and decided to not wrassle Mitt in that mud pit of lies and distortions that he kept slingin’ around!
I wouldn’t say TAHT Goldie. Looked to be like they were trading lie for lie that night lol.
getalife
October 8th, 2012
9:51 am
Yeah our President ran away from his tax plan and told nothing but lies too Fred.
What ever, it worked for romney.
Paul
October 8th, 2012
9:53 am
DownInAlbany
Thanks.
I’m heading out for a bit, but two things: first, the link goes to a site that reprints what it finds elsewhere. Second, the source if “The Government Accountability Institute.” NOT the Government Accountability Office, an official agency of the US government. Any time an organization tries to make itself sound like an official government agency, one’s antenna should go up. And okay, third: briefly skimming, the assertion that “they solicit for donations and lots of people who visited the website were from overseas” is pretty darn weak. Maybe my understanding is off, but the idea of restricting what country of residence has access to a website like that just doesn’t happen – unless you’re in China or N Korea, maybe.
bob
Many here refer to any stretching, shading, changing of a fact as a ‘lie.’
Just something some of us don’t take all that seriously. Unless it’s particularly egregious.
Romney’s got an advantage, here. His positions have been so general and many identify Ryan’s proposals as Romney’s positions, that he can say “what? Me?!!?”
out for a bit.
Paul
October 8th, 2012
9:55 am
bob
make ” changing of a fact ” read “changing of a position”
Donovan
October 8th, 2012
9:59 am
I must give credit to Bookman’s sense of fair play and realization of it is what it is. Yes, Mr. Bookman, your candidate got thoroughly whipped in his debate with the next POTUS.
Conversely, I must shake my head with disbelief and disgust to the denial and immaturity of your myrmidons. NOW IT’S LIES, huh? Before it was the Denver altitude, then a conspiracy of hiding cheat sheets, and then it was an imposter showing up. Unbelievable! You all sound like idiots.
Here’s a clue that you all need to understand as best as you can…Mitt Romney showed America just who he is, where he comes from, and America loves him for what he stands for, in spite of what you all have tried to paint him as. No smoke-and-mirrors. No shinannigans. No record of failures.
Mitt Romney knows and the American people know that Obama cannot run on his record. Obama and his political advisors concluded after the midterms that the president would lose in 2012 if the election was a referendum on the economy. The election had to be a “choice” election between Obama and a “worse” Republican alternative in order for Obama to win, and he had to start beating up on his potential Republican opponent right away. You know it and we know it. NOW HE IS A LIAR. Ok, right!
Must I remind you deniers the immortal words of your community organizer…”One nice thing about the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know, I’ve got 4 years…If I don’t have this done in 3 years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition”.
No amount of name calling, character assassination, or idiotic debasement will change the fact that America will not support a president with no credentials and failed economic policies. And we won’t even go into the incompetent foreign polices and cover-ups. That will be forth coming with the next debate.
Since some of you hard core disbelievers know the colors of Luck Charms better than most, I would suggest that you remain eating children’s cereal and let the children take your place when it’s time to vote on Nov. 6.
getalife
October 8th, 2012
10:02 am
Looks like the Americans that have not made up their minds yet will wait until the election to decide so the polls right before the election will show who will win.
Rightwing Troll
October 8th, 2012
10:02 am
“I wouldn’t say TAHT Goldie. Looked to be like they were trading lie for lie that night lol.”
Mittens was the one who was more poised, confident, and comfortable in his lies, and it showed.
DownInAlbany
October 8th, 2012
10:02 am
All of this is support of a prez that supported a trillion dollar stimulus for millions of shovel-ready jobs only to chuckle later about there is no such thing as shovel-ready jobs. Or who continues to lie about how Stevens was killed and the lack of security and his refusal to provide additional security.
Two Parties, One Con (Welcome)
October 8th, 2012
10:02 am
Donovan: “NOW IT’S LIES, huh? ”
No one who witnessed the cascade of lies that was Romney’s debate performance ever doubted that.
So, try again.
Mitt Romney is a perfect representative for the Republican position — as I think his base has now finally accepted — as he is a veritable geyser of lies.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 8th, 2012
10:04 am
SHEETS!
JamVet
October 8th, 2012
10:04 am
Last week, according to the Republicans, polls were not to be believed — obviously skewed! Watch them latch on to this poll like a drowning man on a floatation device.
Yep, the pro-war, pro-plutocracy, corporate-owned, conservative media is in the tank for the GOP. Again…
BWAHAHAHA!!
Mick
October 8th, 2012
10:05 am
donovan
So you love mitt and think he has the answers to all that ails us? Go ahead and believe in him when you know damn well that his numbers just don’t add up. After the conclusion of the last republican president, I’ll take steady growth and the stock marker rising, that’s the real indicator of yours or mines wealth, we are all tied to it one way or another and I’ll stick with the current president. Romney’s debate performance is so overhyped, what did he have to lose? He was losing very badly before the debate and there are two more…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 8th, 2012
10:06 am
“failed economic policies”
GDP – in growth
Jobs – in growth
equities – soaring
this is “fail”???
only in GOP land, where up is down
Mick
October 8th, 2012
10:07 am
kam
PILLOWS!