Paul Broun: Evolution, Big Bang theory ‘lies straight from pit of hell’

To the rest of the country, this may come as a bit of a surprise. To those of us in Georgia, not so much.

From the AP:

ATHENS, Ga. — Georgia Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are “lies straight from the pit of hell” meant to convince people that they do not need a savior.

The Republican lawmaker made those comments during a speech Sept. 27 at a sportsman’s banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell. Broun, a medical doctor, is running for re-election in November unopposed by Democrats.

“God’s word is true,” Broun said, according to a video posted on the church’s website. “I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

The quote comes at 34:50 in the video above, in which Broun first recounts his exploits as a big-game trophy hunter. Later, he witnesses for Christ and tells his own personal story of finding salvation at a moment of crisis. Personally, I think a more telling moment comes a little earlier, when he tells the audience that pastors of other, more mainstream Christian denominations “are going to send their people to hell” because in his opinion, they do not stress a personal relationship with their savior.

Broun, who is a physician by training, sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology. I think it’s important to stress that the setting for his remarks is religious in character rather than political.

– Jay Bookman

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Tom Middleton

October 6th, 2012
10:12 pm

Brosephus@9:36

I did, too, Bro. But I had to come back and take care of my aunt, and now it’s wondering what am I doing here all over again.

Oh well, at least there’s the Internet now, and it helps immensely. It’s probably what everybody here is doing these days, but then how would I know? LOL

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
10:15 pm

Judging from the various conservative AND liberal blogs I read, I would say you are sitting in the bleachers.

I read blogs from all avenues, political leanings, races, genders, and different countries, so I do not “sit in the bleachers” as much as you think I do.

Jay’s blogs, when he links to current news stories, will obviously mirror other blogs because they are all covering the SAME news stories. When Jay actually WRITES an opinion piece, you get more of an idea of his leanings as opposed to when he links to other stories. And, contrary to what you thought you heard, nowhere did I call Jay a Centrist, so you can put away your straw army and save it for someone else who plays with army men. I don’t.

And you appear to be one of the professed “independents” who often seem to be only nominally so.

That’s your opinion, and you are entitled to it. That said, I also know that opinions need NOT be attached to any reality to be valid. My professed “independence” is because I have repeatedly stated that I back NO political party. I have never said I had no political leanings. Maybe you should stop sitting in the bleachers and use active listening. You’ll learn more that way.

My leanings change depending on the topic. Some I lean left, and some I lean right. Those who know me can validate that, but I don’t have a single atom in my body that cares whether you believe it or not. Don’t take it the wrong way, because I’m not meaning that in a bad way at all. My personal belief systems is such that I don’t feel that I need to have anybody, other than me, believe in me or what I stand for.

As to Jay being a moderate, you should read true “Lefties” and let them help you decide that. There are many opinion writers out that are far more liberal than Jay. When trying to judge other people’s political leanings, you seem to not take into account how far you truly are from the center yourself. When you can’t judge your own distance from the center, you have no way of knowing how far someone else stands from the center. Just a bit of advice. Take it however you feel you should.

TaxPayer

October 6th, 2012
10:15 pm

Towncrier,

Was that you up on the town square today holding that big sign that read “Homo sex is a sin.” Just wonderin’.

Doggone/GA

October 6th, 2012
10:16 pm

“Jesus crossed many borders to preach the word of God”

Actually? He didn’t. But his message did.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 6th, 2012
10:16 pm

“NBC has asked President Barack Obama’s campaign to stop using the network’s footage in a recently released reelection ad, POLITICO has learned.

In a letter sent Friday night to Obama campaign manager Jim Messina, NBC told the Obama campaign to cease using network footage in a new 30-second spot, released shortly after Wednesday’s debate, in which Andrea Mitchell is shown on air citing an independent, stating that Mitt Romney’s tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over 10 years, a source said.”

WHAT’S THE BIG DEAL ? THEY WANT HIM ELECTED !

getalife

October 6th, 2012
10:20 pm

If Jesus came back, he would be a liberal and demand the gop party to end and repent.

He would redistribute the wealth, give us single payer health care, end all the wars and feed all the people.

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
10:20 pm

Tom

That’s cool that you came back for such a good thing. I have some family that, if I had to, I would do the same thing for them. Since my mom lives in Georgia, I don’t have too far to get to her if I need to.

Look before I leap...

October 6th, 2012
10:21 pm

Brosephus @10:15

Nicely stated. There are times I actually envy your eloquence.

TaxPayer

October 6th, 2012
10:22 pm

He would redistribute the wealth, give us single payer health care, end all the wars and feed all the people.

I’d vote for him for the job of Messiah.

getalife

October 6th, 2012
10:22 pm

scout,

Why change the subject?

I thought religions is your thingie.

Jay

October 6th, 2012
10:23 pm

I get that he doesn’t like The Big Bang Theory, but does he like How I Met Your Mother?”

I’m thinking not.

getalife

October 6th, 2012
10:23 pm

I’d vote for him for the job of Messiah.

Amen.

Jay

October 6th, 2012
10:24 pm

I guess it figures that God would be a Spurrier fan.

Can you say … SSSSatan?

DJ Sniper

October 6th, 2012
10:24 pm

What does Obama and that NBC story have to do with this topic? The level of Obama Derangement Syndrome that some of you neo-cons suffer from is mind boggling. Stop whining about “the liberal media”.

Johnjay

October 6th, 2012
10:25 pm

311etc – interesting that you think NBC wants Obama elected. They’re owned by GE and Comcast, both very large businesses. I guess you’re agreeing that Obama is better for business than the Mormon.

Tundra Dude

October 6th, 2012
10:25 pm

If Jesus came back, he would be a liberal and demand the gop party to end and repent.

He would redistribute the wealth, give us single payer health care, end all the wars and feed all the people
—————–

Unlike Obama or Romney

G Mare

October 6th, 2012
10:25 pm

Bro, must admit – often not too much sanity here, but some of us keep going for it anyway. “Hope springs eternal” and all that….

They BOTH suck

October 6th, 2012
10:27 pm

To each his own. I’m just thankful I do not live in his district.

No surprises in his words.

off topic: Figured Dawgs D was over hyped, but even the O was overwhelmed. Mark Richt seems to be a great man, but he is only a good coach, not a great one. Go Dawgs. Hopefully they still put together a good season

Towncrier

October 6th, 2012
10:28 pm

“The two statements are in opposition.”

No, they are not. I would never claim that Lenin, Stalin and Mao killed ALL the people they did for anti-religious reasons. There were undoubtedly other reasons.

“That said, I agree that the motivation for the persecution and execution of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of believers was not based on religious ideology, but on political expediency. More concisely, they were not killed because they believed in God, they were killed because that belief was perceived to be a threat to maintaining political control.”

Marxist-Leninist ideology is inextricably tied to atheism and expressly anti-religious. And any “morality” (or immorality) it exhibits is tied to the abandonment of traditional, “absolute” morality codified in religions.

Of course, I haven’t the good fortune you apparently do to be able to divine the precise cause for the persecution and execution of millions of people, but I do know (having taken a minor in history) that most historians do not find singular causes for historical events. So some percentage (perhaps a large one) of those who suffered did so BECAUSE they believed in God and were religious. To say otherwise is to dispute the facts. But, hey, whitewash it all you want.

getalife

October 6th, 2012
10:29 pm

“Unlike Obama or Romney”

According to the right, Obama is the Messiah or Kenyan, Muslim, Socialist , Marxist, not American, anti business, hates America, blah, blah.

Jm

October 6th, 2012
10:29 pm

“We don’t talk about religion but do talk about football.”

Getalife

Dude, you know football is a 1st amendment protected religion don’t you? In the south anyways…. :)

Tom Middleton

October 6th, 2012
10:30 pm

Brosephus

You’re a good man, Brosephus. Not many men know how to be care givers…or even want to learn. Yeah, I was my mom’s and dad’s, too. They’re all buried here, of course, and maybe I’m like the old dog sleeping near the graves of those he loved the most. BTW, I used to live in Decatur there for a few years in my youth. Kinda cool…

getalife

October 6th, 2012
10:33 pm

Jm,

I know.

SEC dominates.

Appleseed

October 6th, 2012
10:33 pm

only border Jesus can’t cross.School house yard door border.It would be illegal for him to cross.

Jm

October 6th, 2012
10:37 pm

Getalife

All other conferences are lesser religions :)

Btw, wow TX…. No way they win tho

UGA …. Zoiks

Jm

October 6th, 2012
10:41 pm

“you can put away your straw army”

Coca Cola will be disappointed.

Straws = more soda sales volumes.

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
10:41 pm

Look before

I am definitely not someone to be envied at all. Thanks for the compliment though.

—————

G Mare

I gave up on sanity a long time ago. I simply come here to get a good laugh or two. There are some good people here though, and the crazies here are tame by the standards of other sites that I frequent.

—————

Tom

At the end of the day, we all seek love and acceptance. We all have our different ways of going about it, but I don’t know of many people who want to live out their entire lives alone away from everybody else. I am a big believer in family ties. If you can’t count on family for anything, then who can you count on?

getalife

October 6th, 2012
10:42 pm

Jm,

The Catholics crushed the convicts.

West Virgina in a shoot out.

Ohio State is beating Nebraska.

Some good games today.

Jm

October 6th, 2012
10:44 pm

Get

Re ND v Miami. Yes they did :)

I would never have ultimately guessed WV would win that game. Amazed.

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
10:45 pm

Jay

I have to say that you have major sway with news organizations. I went to the homepage for Yahoo, and found these headlines under the news tab.


Israel suspects Hezbollah invaded airspace
Tensions run higher in the Middle East after Israeli fighter jets shoot down an enemy drone.

California gas prices hit all-time average high

Chavez to learn his fate as Venezuela gets ready to vote

Child welfare probe leads to gruesome discovery

Congressman calls evolution lie from ‘pit of hell’

Arkansas GOP calls candidates’ statements ‘offensive’

North Korean soldier defects south across border

Romney raises $12 million after strong debate

Death toll from meningitis outbreak rises to 7

Bus overturns on New Jersey exit ramp; 23 hurt

Politics·Video·Photos·Local·Opinion·Trending Now·Weatherupdated 10:41 PM

Seems that you pushed Broun’s statement past the books written by those Arkansas GOP members. You should be proud of yourself. :)

//obvious sarcasm//

Jm

October 6th, 2012
10:46 pm

I hope NE doesn’t stress out Buffett. No need to give the biggest investor in the world heart stress.

G Mare

October 6th, 2012
10:48 pm

I have a bumper sticker: JESUS IS A LIBERAL. Kinda’ scared to put on my car here in Cobb County.

Re Gingry, I don’t think he is “stoopid” so much as cowed by & beholden to the far righters. He likes his position & power and says & votes in order to keep both. I used to write him letters, to which his office responded courteously, then did the opposite. Ah, well, maybe I’ll get redistricted again, as I have been 3 times in the last 10 or 12 years.

Jm

October 6th, 2012
10:49 pm

“Bus overturns on New Jersey exit ramp”

That’s the big news story. Union culpability. Or mafia caused. Mitt will have to decide which. Or both.

TGT

October 6th, 2012
10:52 pm

Alright, here we go again libs. Other than a (Godless) theory about how life began, what role does Darwinian evolution play in operational science?

Broun is a physician, highly educated in the sciences (much more so than anyone else posting here I would venture to say), and yet he denies Darwinian evolution, AND he has operated perfectly fine in his scientific arena. How can this be?! And there are literally millions like him in EVERY field of science!

BTW, both Kepler and Newton calculated the earth to be only a few thousand years old. Kepler calculated a creation date of 3,992 B.C. Newton stated that, “For an educated man…any suggestion that the human past extended back further than 6,000 years was a vain and foolish speculation.”

Towncrier

October 6th, 2012
10:52 pm

“”And, contrary to what you thought you heard, nowhere did I call Jay a Centrist, so you can put away your straw army and save it for someone else who plays with army men. I don’t.”

You said he was “much more moderate” than I (or any other conservative) might guess. In case you don’t know, the words “moderate” and “centrist” are somewhat synonymous. From the Wiki:

“Voters who describe themselves as centrist often mean that they are moderate in their political views, advocating neither extreme left-wing politics nor right-wing politics.”

So it would appear I am not the one playing with straw men.

“There are many opinion writers out that are far more liberal than Jay.”

Agreed. But, again, I was not calling Jay a fringe liberal. But he is, to my mind, clearly a solid liberal.

“When trying to judge other people’s political leanings, you seem to not take into account how far you truly are from the center yourself.”

I never claimed to be a centrist. I am probably more amenable to centrist positions with respect to the military and the economy. But for social issues, I am clearly on the right.

“When you can’t judge your own distance from the center, you have no way of knowing how far someone else stands from the center. Just a bit of advice. Take it however you feel you should.”

One should not be a centrist for centrism’s sake. I cannot budge on some social issues because of my religious beliefs. I mean, the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. So I am not sure how anyone professing to be a Christian can square support for, say, gay marriage with their faith. If you can toss out particular passages of the Bible, then you might as well toss it all out. Otherwise, how can one know what is true and not so?

That said, I do NOT have that constraint when it comes to economic or defense policies. There, we are dealing with theories, strategies, circumstances and the like. Who really knows what the best economic policies are? Or what the best sort of defense is?

Jm

October 6th, 2012
10:52 pm

Jesus is a liberal?

That is a silly, absurdly partisan sticker. IMO

Jm

October 6th, 2012
10:54 pm

TGT just drilled a half dozen different rabbit holes

Tgt you should go into wildcatting, but stay out of Science

Mr. Snarky

October 6th, 2012
10:55 pm

Those who condemn science and learning as “lies” are promoting ignorance as a means of protecting their faith. Their faith must not be very strong if it requires ignorance to maintain it.

Jm

October 6th, 2012
10:56 pm

I take it back. I think there may be twice as many rabbit holes in TGT’s post than I first suspected.

Towncrier

October 6th, 2012
10:58 pm

“Broun is a physician, highly educated in the sciences (much more so than anyone else posting here I would venture to say), and yet he denies Darwinian evolution, AND he has operated perfectly fine in his scientific arena. How can this be?!”

I would say it is because Darwin’s hypothesis about biological evolution has not yet entered the “arena” of hard science. It is another form of mythology. Ironically, the people here who disparage religious belief are the same ones who swallow hook, line and sinker a fabricated tale much like they imagine the Bible to be. But (I guess like Obama in his debate) such people are not used to being challenged on their beliefs.

jconservative

October 6th, 2012
10:58 pm

What does “evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory” have to do with the need for a Savior?

If one is a believer in the Bible one should take note that that book says God will take care of making the decision on who goes to hell. Unless, of course, one believes that God incompetent and should not be trusted with such decisions.

DJ Sniper

October 6th, 2012
10:58 pm

Oh yea, how could I forget about that idiot from Arkansas and his comments about how blacks benefitted from slavery. He should just kill himself and get it overwith.

TGT, it’s not bad enough that Broun and people like him talk so much about how evolution is a lie; they insist that anybody who believes otherwise is going to burn in hell. That’s the main issue that a lot of people have with this batch of religious right wing nutjobs. Believe what you want, but stop trying to force your beliefs onto everybody else.

G Mare

October 6th, 2012
10:58 pm

Bro, I agree there are good people here. I have been to a few blogs that amazed & horrified me. And I really appreciate the words of comfort & encouragement from many of you here. You are right, too, about caring for family; I truly do not know what I would do without my children. I am blessed with them.

So what’s that Purple Panther(?) thing?

TGT

October 6th, 2012
11:03 pm

“Rabbit holes,” eh Jm? Well then, they should be easy to fill. Take a shot.

Jm

October 6th, 2012
11:05 pm

TGT 11:03

Pick one. I think I only have the patience for one. Pick one of your sentences and lets dissect it.

Tom Middleton

October 6th, 2012
11:05 pm

Brocephus

Well, for me, there’s God, who is NOT the same God of the “pray to Jesus but act like the devil” fundamentalists we have all throughout the South. And I have some old dogs of my own that I take care of, who may end up sleeping on my grave if I keep talking like this. ROFLLLLANDL.

I play banjo and guitar and write music to constructively get it all out as it comes up, and that’s about it. But we all do OK for now. I have friends in other cities, one is San Diego, where I used to live, and one in Gordon, GA, and do manage to meet an occasional cool person from time to time on this here Internet, like tonight, Bro. Thanks and later, tater…

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
11:08 pm

In case you don’t know, the words “moderate” and “centrist” are somewhat synonymous.

I know what they mean. I also know that “almost” only counts in horseshoes too. Evan Bayh and Susan Collins are both moderates, but I don’t think too many people refer to them as centrists as they both typically followed the party lines. They also showed they had common sense and didn’t follow their fringes.

I mean, the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. So I am not sure how anyone professing to be a Christian can square support for, say, gay marriage with their faith. If you can toss out particular passages of the Bible, then you might as well toss it all out.

It’s all about interpretation of the Bible. As for me, I simply rely on Matthew 7:1-5 as a means to deal with issues such as gay marriage. Until I am without sin, I can not judge someone else’s sin without looking at mine first. Even if I am without sin, it is not for me to judge others as I am not God. Only he can judge and pass judgment on others. Therefore, I simply treat all people as fellow brothers and sisters, regardless of their sins. I can get angry, sad, or whatever emotion I feel, but I try to not allow myself to pass judgment as to their “sins” as that is not my job.

Jm

October 6th, 2012
11:09 pm

Hiram

Oh dear. Local Christian church is expanding and going mobile with their food pantry operations.

Religion sux tho doesn’t it? (sarc)

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
11:10 pm

If one is a believer in the Bible one should take note that that book says God will take care of making the decision on who goes to hell. Unless, of course, one believes that God incompetent and should not be trusted with such decisions.

Well said…

Jm

October 6th, 2012
11:12 pm

Bro. God is incompetent. I mean omnipotent. Isn’t that the same thing? :)

Fred ™

October 6th, 2012
11:13 pm

Bro, you made it home. I thought you might be in jail………

TGT

October 6th, 2012
11:13 pm

OK, Jm. Tell me, what role in any operational science does Darwinian evolution play?

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
11:14 pm

So what’s that Purple Panther(?) thing?

They were talking about the Northwestern University Wildcats who were beaten by Jay’s alma mater Penn State. Northwestern’s primary team color is purple

G Mare

October 6th, 2012
11:15 pm

Re Jesus is a liberal (I think someone addressed this earlier), Jesus, according to the NT, cared for & fed the poor, and said something about giving all you have to the poor in order to follow him. And also something about a camel, a needle, & rich people. I also seem to recall something about being one’s brother’s keeper. Then there was a line about “as you do unto others, you do also unto me.” May not have the quotes exactly right, but trust y’all get the gist.

Jm

October 6th, 2012
11:16 pm

TGT 11:13

I’ll bite.

What exactly do you mean by operational science?

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
11:16 pm

jm

You are going to stir up a hornet’s nest talking like that. :lol:

—————

Fred

Yeah, I made it. Seems like I haven’t stopped since I got home either. A brotha’s work is never done.

Jm

October 6th, 2012
11:17 pm

Gmare

Maybe cons believe for caring about the poor, they just don’t believe government should be the one doing it. Ponder that?

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:18 pm

“You are going to stir up a hornet’s nest talking like that. ”

Daas my expertise.

[...] themselves all wrapped up around the axle on the latest remarks by GA Cong. Paul Broun.  Broun was quoted in a church (gasp!) that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang are from “…the pit of [...]

Towncrier

October 6th, 2012
11:21 pm

“It’s all about interpretation of the Bible.”

Indeed it is. But there is only one correct interpretation of the Bible (though none of us may not know it completely) and not many. You and I can both be wrong, but we cannot both be right.

“As for me, I simply rely on Matthew 7:1-5 as a means to deal with issues such as gay marriage.”

The question is not simply tolerating homosexual behavior conducted behind closed doors, but active support for a form of persistent sin or the ongoing practice of sin (as in gay marriage). If you support the practice of homosexuality, then do you also support the practice of lying, stealing, adultery, murder and the like? If not, what is the difference except possibly you don’t honestly believe homosexuality is a sin?

Fred ™

October 6th, 2012
11:21 pm

Bro: Have you ever wondered if JM is a paid agitator?

getalife

October 6th, 2012
11:22 pm

broun is inflicted with the mental defect called conservatism.

“Obama, Democrats’ Fundraising Raised $181 Million In September” Aol.

One more month and no more mitt romney.

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:22 pm

Fred. I should be :)

Edward

October 6th, 2012
11:22 pm

Jay, that Broun’s statement is tantamount to treason is not over-the-top at all. He is abrogating his duty to uphold the Constitution of the United States in favor of something else, and openly admitting so.

Nobody can take someone like this Towncrier person seriously after conflating swearing an oath with hand on a Bible as evidence that our country is a theocracy. The problem with the South is that instead of hiding the lunatics away, they’re paraded out in public, and often elected to offices, for everyone to hear and see.

moonbat betty

October 6th, 2012
11:22 pm

The Republicans will swarm!

Beware the flying monkeys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SESI19h4wDo

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:23 pm

Fred

I’m sure Jay will assure you I’m not

Look before I leap...

October 6th, 2012
11:23 pm

@Towncrier
You state:
“No, they are not. I would never claim that Lenin, Stalin and Mao killed ALL the people they did for anti-religious reasons. There were undoubtedly other reasons.”

You seem to be implying that I made the statement that all who were murdered, were murdered for religious reasons. I made no such claim. If my assessment is incorrect then my statement is moot and yours is superfluous.

Then you state:
“Marxist-Leninist ideology is inextricably tied to atheism and expressly anti-religious. And any “morality” (or immorality) it exhibits is tied to the abandonment of traditional, “absolute” morality codified in religions”
When the Bolsheviks took power in 1917, they declared separation of church and state. They did not outlaw religion. This was significantly due to the ties between the Russian Orthodox church and the Tsarist regimes. It wasn’t until the Russian Orthodox church leaders backed the White movement that Lenin began to systematically round up and execute the church leadership. Singular causation? No. But the timing is more than coincidental

And since we are talking about academic credentials, I majored in history with a minor in religious studies. When I went back for my MBA, I minored in Russian studies because I wanted to be able to compare collectivist economic models against western market driven economic models.

In that the Russian Revolution had anything to do with religion, it was only that the church was supportive of the ruling class.

Fred ™

October 6th, 2012
11:24 pm

Jm – HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:22 pm

Fred. I should be
++++++++++++++++++++

Are you? You aren’t old enough like me to be “retired.” Would you tell the truth if you were?

Towncrier

October 6th, 2012
11:24 pm

“broun is inflicted with the mental defect called conservatism.”

And people like “Snoopdog” and yourself?

TGT

October 6th, 2012
11:24 pm

“Operational science is the science that deals with repeatable, observable experiments in the present. Operational science is the type of science that allows us to understand how DNA codes for proteins in cells. It is the type of science that has allowed us to cure and treat diseases, put a man on the moon, build satellites and telescopes, and make products that are useful to humans.”

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:25 pm

Flying monkeys will always be scary. That’s a bipartisan fact.

getalife

October 6th, 2012
11:25 pm

If jm is paid, they should get their money back.

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:27 pm

TGT

Do you consider biology or ecology to be “operational sciences”?

If not, why not?

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:28 pm

Fred

I make money. But not to blog.

getalife

October 6th, 2012
11:29 pm

crier,

I have no party or ideology.

I support our President because I know how the gop govern and don’t want another collapse or failed occupations. I believe the next time your party wins power our country will collapse like the USSR. I have no doubt.

Country first.

TGT

October 6th, 2012
11:30 pm

Sure Jm. But be careful.

G Mare

October 6th, 2012
11:32 pm

Bro, thanks for the sports enlightenment. Must say I feel sympathy for all the innocent Penn Staters. And there were & are many. I think there is something, somewhere – in the bible maybe? – about the sins of the fathers. No, not my judgement, just something I recall reading/hearing. Yes, I could google it but I’m sure someone here will be glad to enlighten me. :)

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
11:32 pm

The question is not simply tolerating homosexual behavior conducted behind closed doors, but active support for a form of persistent sin or the ongoing practice of sin (as in gay marriage).

You and I simply agree on what active support entails. Simply stating that I don’t have a problem with something does not automatically equate to actively supporting something. I also don’t ascribe to the belief that there is only one true interpretation to the Bible as the Bible was written by man. If you dig deeper, the King James Version is basically what King James wanted the Bible to state. Unless you are using the ancient untranslated Hebrew texts, I don’t think you’re reading the Bible in it’s true form anyway.

I won’t go any further into detail in my religious beliefs because I know they don’t square with yours, and I am not going to sit up all night debating something that I know you will not grasp. Let’s just say that you believe in what you do, and I do what I do. You have no way of knowing whether my beliefs are honest and true as I have no way in judging yours.

—————

Fred

Not jm personally, although I think there are a few here that are.

Fred ™

October 6th, 2012
11:33 pm

JM; How do you make money?

Look before I leap...

October 6th, 2012
11:35 pm

“If not, what is the difference except possibly you don’t honestly believe homosexuality is a sin?”

I don’t. Kind of makes it hard to make the “marrying a goat” argument, though doesn’t it.

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:35 pm

TGT
October 6th, 2012
11:13 pm

OK, Jm. Tell me, what role in any operational science does Darwinian evolution play?”

Well assuming biology and ecology (and anatomy) fit the bill.

There are the following studies that Darwinian evolution requires.

The engineering failures of the eye

The pronghorn’s speed

The peppered moth’s color

And of course Darwin’s own finches

To name just a few

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
11:35 pm

If you support the practice of homosexuality, then do you also support the practice of lying, stealing, adultery, murder and the like?

I vote. Don’t you??? We all support those things every time we cast a vote for any politician. Judge lest ye be judged….

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:36 pm

Fred

Desk jockey + investments

Brosephus™

October 6th, 2012
11:36 pm

Damn… jm’s droppin’ science tonight.

Fred ™

October 6th, 2012
11:38 pm

Bro, thanks for the sports enlightenment. Must say I feel sympathy for all the innocent Penn Staters.

I don’t. They tolerated an atmosphere where anally raping little boys was acceptable. NONE of them are “innocent” if they don’t accept that fact. One fact that bites MY ass is that ESPN has decided that enabling the anal rape of little boys is a good thing and has televised every single Penn State game so far this year on either ABC or the flagship ESPN station. They have keep writing poor pitiful victim PSU articles and post them on espn.com.

Ohio State was severely punished and castigated by ESPN because some boys took free tattoo’s.

Penn State tolerated and covered up the repeated anal rape of ten year old little boys and ESPN pretends PENN STATE IS THE VICTIM? Really?

getalife

October 6th, 2012
11:39 pm

Bro,

That is not science he is dropping.

Look before I leap...

October 6th, 2012
11:40 pm

@Brosephus
I said I envy your eloquence.
I don’t know you personally.

But if you are in the condo next to mine, can you please turn down the stereo, it is giving me a bit of a headache.

Oscar

October 6th, 2012
11:41 pm

How can someone not believe in embryology. That process can be examined by microscopes.
Big Bang and evolution are theories which can be proven. But embryology?

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:42 pm

Getalife

Are those “bunts” I’m dropping? (in getalife parlance)

getalife

October 6th, 2012
11:42 pm

Jm,

What investment are you pimping?

G Mare

October 6th, 2012
11:43 pm

Jm, I don’t have to “ponder” it. I know full well that many churches & other non-profits will do what they can. Here’s the BUT: Many of the churches & non-profits RELY ON GOVERNMENT FOR A LARGE PART OF THEIR FUNDING. Suggest you PONDER that.

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:43 pm

Getalife

None. Unless you count my own in investments. I prefer not to refer to investing my own money as pimping ough.

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:45 pm

“Many of the churches & non-profits RELY ON GOVERNMENT FOR A LARGE PART OF THEIR FUNDING”

Non profits, often yes.

Churches themselves, um no. That would violate that separation of church and state thingy.

getalife

October 6th, 2012
11:46 pm

Jm,

You could do that at home.

Why are you a desk jockey?

Towncrier

October 6th, 2012
11:47 pm

“I vote. Don’t you??? We all support those things every time we cast a vote for any politician. Judge lest ye be judged….”

I do vote. One of the reasons i could not in good conscience vote for Obama is that he has made support for institutionalized gay marriage part of his platform. Please point me to a politician who has made support for lying, cheating, murder or adultery part of his or her platform.

“Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.” – John 7:24

Fred ™

October 6th, 2012
11:47 pm

BUT: Many of the churches & non-profits RELY ON GOVERNMENT FOR A LARGE PART OF THEIR FUNDING.

Really? I know I’m only 50 but I’ve never been to a church that got a god damned dime from the Government. Care to link some examples?

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:48 pm

Getalife

I do financial analysis for large capital investments

In that case I’m only pimping my own skills

Look before I leap...

October 6th, 2012
11:49 pm

Actually, give me some petri dishes, some E coli bacteria and some glucose and citrate and I can PROVE evolution occurs.

Fred ™

October 6th, 2012
11:49 pm

getalife: I hope you still love me even though I picked Florida over LSU. Take some consolation though that at least LSU played football while Georgia rolled over and got flogged…….

Jm - HNS

October 6th, 2012
11:50 pm

TGT?……

Must be tired.