With 200,000 new jobs, jobless rate falls to 7.8%
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the unemployment rate fell to 7.8 percent in September after a gain of 114,000 jobs. That’s the lowest jobless rate in 44 months.
The fall in the jobless rate was accelerated by the discovery of 86,000 new jobs that had gone uncounted in July and August, for a total of 200,000 previously uncounted jobs.
That pattern suggests that September’s numbers may be revised upward as well. In an improving economy, as this one seems to be, monthly BLS stats typically undercount job creation because jobs appear in places they weren’t necessarily looking.
Moreover, the sharp decline in the unemployment rate is NOT due to a decline in those in the workforce. To the contrary, the BLS reports, “The civilian labor force rose by 418,000 to 155.1 million in September.”
In other words, a better economy is drawing people back into the job market to look for work. The average wage rose as well.
– Jay Bookman
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Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
9:01 am
First
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
9:02 am
female dawgs…
Adam
October 5th, 2012
9:05 am
Where’s EJ Moosa?
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Adam
October 5th, 2012
9:06 am
By the way, what’s Romney’s statement. Is it “This is terrible for America….. disappointing…. failed leadership….”?
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
9:07 am
“By the way, what’s Romney’s statement.”
He’ll say it isn’t enough, blah blah spin spin spin.
b-troll
October 5th, 2012
9:08 am
Well this bears adding to the discussion.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-04/unemployment-drop-masks-labor-malaise-chart-of-the-day.html
“While unemployment has fallen to 8.1 percent from 10 percent in 2009, the CHART OF THE DAY shows the percentage of people working, known as the employment-population ratio, has remained near its lows of the recession, suggesting limited progress toward a recovery in jobs.
“In a better economy we would see an improvement in this data,” said Adolfo Laurenti, deputy chief economist at Mesirow Financial Inc. in Chicago. While the ratio has fallen as the baby boomer generation retires and because more students are returning to school “the tougher nut to crack is those people who are truly discouraged workers, who could be in the job market but are leaving.”
The employment-population ratio climbed to a record high 64.7 percent in April of 2000 before falling as low as 58.2 percent in December 2009, the lowest level since 1983. A lack of labor-market improvement, even with the drop in the unemployment rate, prompted the Fed to begin a third round of asset purchases, or QE3, in which it’s buying $40 billion a month of mortgage-backed securities.”
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
9:09 am
How are seasonal/part time jobs calculated, Jay?
Thomas
October 5th, 2012
9:09 am
The fall in the jobless rate was accelerated by the discovery of 86,000……
Too funny “the discovery of 86k jobs”- I wonder where these crazy folks were hiding out.
Santelli and others predicted this sham coming yesterday as every percentage has a numerator and denominator.
Anyway- might as well laugh at the gullible and look toward some traveling music.
In the Middle
October 5th, 2012
9:10 am
BOOM, BABY!!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 5th, 2012
9:13 am
I’m glad of these numbers and they are, indeed, an improvement, but…Down Bells Ferry a ways there’s a strip mall that was built around three years ago for Food Lion. There were also six out parcels for other businesses. They were never occupied. Today people use the parking lots to teach their kids to ride bikes or drive cars. That place has become my bellwether for the economy. The day even one business moves in, is the day I will say our economy is good again.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
9:14 am
Peadawg, they differentiate between those working parttime because they WANT to work parttime and those who work parttime because they can’t find fulltime work. In this case, a lot of those 400,000-plus re-entrants into the workforce did find part-time work at least, which also suggests things could be breaking.
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
9:16 am
But “part time” and “seasonal” can be different, Jay. Won’t the unemployment rate just go back up in January/February after Christmas? For instance, Toys r Us is adding 45k jobs for the holiday season. How are those temporary jobs accounted for?
HAHAHA
October 5th, 2012
9:16 am
This number still does not count the people who are under employed, or who have stopped looking. I also expect the number to be revised upward after the election.
Thomas
October 5th, 2012
9:17 am
Pea- look at/google U-6 versus U-3. Also when looking at the #s the “lost and found jobs” were largely gov’t jobs- ie school teachers.
Good luck agains USC this weekend.
Also, righties should fade the silliness of the jobs manipulation as the WH under Bush manipulated us all about the war results for years. My conspiracy is all the ex Enron workers (who are not incarcerated) moved to Dc.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:17 am
““This is terrible for America….. disappointing…. failed leadership….”?”
actually, he meant his campaign … disappointing … failed …
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
9:17 am
Good news is where you find it. Bless all those who’ve found a job!
Mighty Righty
October 5th, 2012
9:17 am
The Obama campaign has become completely unraveled. Obama’s Labor Department is now making up employment numbers and had to do it so quickly the numbers make no sense. The Chicago thugs continue to lie, cheat and perpetuate fraud on us using our tax dollars to commit these crimes. The Labor Department numbeds are proof of panic in the Obama ranks. Their golden goose is laying its last eggs and they know it. Obama couldn’t use his prepared lies and bumper sticker slogans during the debate because he knows how foolish he would look when so many would be easily pointed out for what they were so he has resorted to usng our government agencies to lie on his behalf. Libya, lies. Unemployment numbers, lies. The lying continues and increases as the desperation mounts.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 5th, 2012
9:17 am
114,000 jobs. I wish that number would start to snowball and really improve.
Hopefully we will have a strong holiday shopping season and things can start moving faster.
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
9:18 am
Righty – ” Obama’s Labor Department is now making up employment numbers”
Link or shut up?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:18 am
“But “part time” and “seasonal” can be different, Jay. Won’t the unemployment rate just go back up in January/February after Christmas? ”
which is where the “seasonally adjusted” part comes in
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
9:20 am
“Good luck agains USC this weekend.”
Thanks! But I think we’ll be alright with “Gurshall” leading the way.
Mighty Righty
October 5th, 2012
9:20 am
Obama now says that wasn’t Mitt Romney on the stage with him Wednesday night. Well, I watched and I know for a fact that not only was that the real Mitt Romney unfortunately for the Democrats that was also the real Barack Obama.
Stonethrower
October 5th, 2012
9:20 am
But, but, but what about the under employed?
Steve
October 5th, 2012
9:21 am
Any improvement is welcome, but this is too little, too late.
A few points to consider before taking the second victory lap:
1. As of late it is hard to accept any report from this administratIon as 100% credible.
2. Recent history tells us that the numbers will indeed be revised, but it will be upward.
3. Many, if not most, of the new jobs were classified as part-time.
4. The administration can report whatever it wants, but the people are still suffering.
5. The total number of workers that have dropped out of the labor pool is still staggering.
6. The true unemployment number is much higher.
Now, enjoy your day whooping it up and declaring that the economy is all fixed up and peachy.
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
9:21 am
“114,000 jobs. I wish that number would start to snowball and really improve.
Hopefully we will have a strong holiday shopping season and things can start moving faster.”
Steve – Amen! Too many folks have been out ot work for too long. We ALL agree on that!
Freedom Riders 1961
October 5th, 2012
9:22 am
PBS shines the light on this country’s “Southern History”..Gotta love PBS
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/freedomriders/
Darwin
October 5th, 2012
9:23 am
It proves that we are moving in the right direction.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:24 am
“Recent history tells us that the numbers will indeed be revised, but it will be upward.”
not so much – the last 2 months job numbers were revised upward – there were MORE jobs created than originally thought.
nice try, though.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
9:24 am
Mighty Righty – “Obama’s Labor Department is now making up employment numbers and had to do it so quickly the numbers make no sense.”
I’m sure you will have concrete evidence of this deception to share with us momentarily. Right?
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
9:24 am
“which is where the “seasonally adjusted” part comes in”
As long as “Seasonally adjusted” means “not included at all”, that’s fine with me.
Daedalus
October 5th, 2012
9:27 am
This is going to disappoint Fox News, the RNC and Mittens.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
9:27 am
Where is Obama’s plan to help the 24 million unemployed and under-employed?
Even assuming 200,000 jobs a month and no population growth, it will be another decade before those people are all back to work.
Obama’s failures are not acceptable.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
9:27 am
We now have the lowest unemployment rate in 44 months.
Bud Wiser
October 5th, 2012
9:28 am
Still, many of the jobs added last month were part time. The number of people with part-time jobs who wanted full-time work rose 7.5 percent to 8.6 million.
Ignorance of fact is no excuse.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
9:28 am
Jm – “Obama’s failures are not acceptable.”
According to this, they are: http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
9:29 am
Also when looking at the #s the “lost and found jobs” were largely gov’t jobs- ie school teachers.
I seem to recall that government jobs were responsible for dragging down job numbers each month too. I guess that “adding” government jobs seems to help unemployment. I wonder if we’ll hear anybody own up to how Reagan’s and GW Bush’s numbers were aided by government jobs.
bullwinkle
October 5th, 2012
9:29 am
This will force Romney to revise his own numbers. Now he’ll say that only 46 percent of Americans lack any sense of personal responsibility.
eddy
October 5th, 2012
9:30 am
This was predicted…just before the election. Are we surprised? Naw. Thought it would have dropped the unemployment rate to al least 5% with all of those “found and uncounted jobs”….sorta like votes, you know. Can’t wait to see the revised debt figures. There is always magic in the air with Obama in charge. “Shazam, we are no longer in debt..the $16 trillion has been erased in one fell swoop”. The Chinese cancelled all of the US debt because Zippy ….well, he is just magic!!!
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:30 am
We now have the lowest unemployment rate in 44 months.
Which is to say, we are now officially better off than we were 4 years ago
alex
October 5th, 2012
9:30 am
@freedom riders..and this has exactly what to do with part time employment…same old Atlanta ,1961-51 years ago, 3 generations,move on, a new century.. and yes I do love PBS:antique roadshoe,American experience, nova….
@Jay, there can be no doubt that part time work is better than no work,this is a classic half full/empty arguement, or for you and others a confirmation of your bias-not very appealing or intellectual…but hey, it’s better than seasonal work at K mart !
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:31 am
But.. but… but… 23% under/moocher/disaster employment!!!!
Just had to get that out of the way for the propeller heads. But.. but… but….
Jay
October 5th, 2012
9:31 am
Just took a look out of curiosity: In Ohio, the jobless rate has fallen from 10.6 to 7.2 percent in the last three years.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:32 am
So much for “there’s too much uncertainty to hire!”
Jm
October 5th, 2012
9:32 am
Why did Obama focus on Obamacare instead of focusing on jobs?
Four wasted years for the unemployed.
alittlecommonsense
October 5th, 2012
9:33 am
Unfortuntately this isn’t a trend. It is probably just statistical noise. Show a trend of job growth in well paid jobs over a period of several months and it is meaningful. This might make a talking point for Obama, but sadly it doesn’t tell us much about the overall health of the economy.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
9:33 am
eddy – “Are we surprised? ”
At your reaction? No.At the fact that you bring no evidence to support your claim? No. That the news could help Obamas re-election and further drive you out of your mind? No.
Bud Wiser
October 5th, 2012
9:34 am
With over three consecutive years of unemployment above 8 percent, September’s still disappointing jobs report shows an addition of a meager 114,000 jobs. That’s enough to make unemployment drop to 7.8 percent from the 8.1 percent after August.
The number of unemployed persons (12.1 million) dropped by 456,000.
The number of persons unemployed (2.5 million) for less than 5 weeks declined by 302,000.
The number of long-term unemployed persons (jobless for 27 weeks or more) was little changed at 4.8 million.
The number of long-term unemployed persons accounted for 40.1 percent of the unemployed.
Total employment rose by 873,000 in September.
The Labor Force Participation rate was little changed at 63.6 percent.
The number of persons employed part-time for economic reasons rose from 8.0 million in August to 8.6 million in September.
If the number of unemployed dropped by 456,000, but only 114,000 jobs were added, that means that 342,000 people left the workforce in some fashion. Couple that with the fact that the number of part-time workers saw an increase of 582,000 while manufacturing unemployment saw a decrease of 16,000 jobs and this drop in unemployment rate begins to looks less and less optimistic, and more like a misleading mathematical equation.
In other words, another mathematical deception by Obama’s Labor Department.
Manipulating math allows the garden variety liberal to sway the weak minded stooges and populace that has ‘graduated’ from our public school system.
Trying to discuss facts with liberals and their stooges is like putting a blindfold on Stevie Wonder and asking him to read an eye chart at fifty paces.
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
9:34 am
Was there a debate this week somewhere?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:34 am
” Show a trend of job growth in well paid jobs over a period of several months and it is meaningful”
be careful when you move those goalposts …
remember, lift with your knees
Jerome Horwitz
October 5th, 2012
9:34 am
There are some amongst us that would see a $100.00 dollare bill laying on the ground and complain that it’s not enough or counterfeit. They are content to wallow in their misery and complain.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 5th, 2012
9:35 am
Jay – “We now have the lowest unemployment rate in 44 months.”
________________________________________________________________
Dr.: “You weigh 392 pounds, in 44 months you have only lost 8 pounds”
Patient: “Down 8 pounds, so that would be less than I was….right?”
Relax everybody….just a little morning joke.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:35 am
Why did Obama focus on Obamacare instead of focusing on jobs?
And you’re a poo-flinging monkey.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
9:35 am
Jm – “Why did Obama focus on Obamacare instead of focusing on jobs?”
I have asked that question since 2009. I abslutely agree that one of Obamas biggest mistakes was the timing of his Healthcare push. I would have preferred a concerted effort right out of the gate on job creation and growth.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
9:36 am
“Show a trend of job growth in well paid jobs over a period of several months and it is meaningful.”
Would an increase of 3.9 million private-sector jobs over the last two years meet that test? Because that’s exactly what has happened.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
9:36 am
Ohio: Republican governor
Paul
October 5th, 2012
9:37 am
Dear author,
Do you think we’re all stupid? To change the employment rate by that many basis points, we’d have to create nearly 800,000 jobs in one month. We created 114,000. S T U P I D. You all are stupid. Look, I’m an independent, but you all shouldn’t allow your liberal views to allow you to be S T U P I D.
Sheep – all of you.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 5th, 2012
9:37 am
Jay – “Just took a look out of curiosity: In Ohio, the jobless rate has fallen from 10.6 to 7.2 percent in the last three years.”
That is fantastic. What party is the Governor?
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
9:37 am
‘And you’re a poo-flinging monkey.’
Monkeys everywhere are erupting in mass protests…
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:38 am
Ohio: Republican governor
Ohio: Obama by 7.
alittlecommonsense
October 5th, 2012
9:38 am
“Just took a look out of curiosity: In Ohio, the jobless rate has fallen from 10.6 to 7.2 percent in the last three years.”
Take a look at the median income trend though. It has been dropping in that same period of time. What does that mean? Good high income jobs are being replaced with low income jobs. The jobless rate is only part of the picture.
Good example of what Mark Twain said about lies, dam lies and statistics.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:38 am
Monkeys everywhere are erupting in mass protests…
Do I have to flip-flop now and apologize to monkies? or to The Monkees?
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
9:39 am
Why did Obama focus on Obamacare instead of focusing on jobs?
Four wasted years for the unemployed
We already knew you were factually challenged, but I guess we can add mathematically challenged as well. Four years….
You should stick to posting Bloomberg stuff. You’re much better at than as opposed to trying to think on your own.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
9:39 am
Butch 9:35
The, admittedly flawed, stimulus qualified in my book. Problem IMO is after that, he completely took his eye off the ball. And 3 years later we don’t have much to show for it.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:39 am
“That is fantastic. What party is the Governor?”
and how is that Republican governor in GA working out for unemployment? 9.2%, I believe???
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:39 am
Do you think we’re all stupid?
Nah, just you. Look at previous month revisions and figure out how that might have affected the numbers in a positive fashion.
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
9:39 am
“Why did Obama focus on Obamacare instead of focusing on jobs?”
Democrats can work on more than one thing at the same time.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:39 am
” or to The Monkees?”
they’re dropping like flies … better act fast
Adam
October 5th, 2012
9:40 am
Obama’s Labor Department is now making up employment numbers
And the polls are all skewed and Romney won the election after winning the first debate.
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
9:41 am
Paul
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
9:41 am
Why did Obama focus on Obamacare instead of focusing on jobs?
If a Republican were in offfice the Cons would be saying “government doesn’t create jobs.”
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:41 am
they’re dropping like flies … better act fast
Everyone from my youth is.
Don't Tread
October 5th, 2012
9:42 am
Wonder what the revision to the revided numbers will be. (Of course, we won’t know that until after the election.)
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
9:43 am
“Dear author,
Do you think we’re all stupid? To change the employment rate by that many basis points, we’d have to create nearly 800,000 jobs in one month. We created 114,000. S T U P I D. You all are stupid. Look, I’m an independent, but you all shouldn’t allow your liberal views to allow you to be S T U P I D.
Sheep – all of you.”
Paul – You have a nice day, too, all right?
ZoSo
October 5th, 2012
9:43 am
And then there is this:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/at-white-house-request-lockheed-martin-drops-plan-to-issue-layoff-notices/
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
9:43 am
Steve
You have to remember that many jobs in OH are tied directly or indirectly to the auto industry bailout……………
So unless you know what he Governor of OH has done, I would contend that the auto bailout is as responsible as any other catalyst in terms of jobs in OH.
To be honest, that is my speculation. I couldn’t tell you exactly what the OH governor has done or didn’t do.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:44 am
Wonder what the revision to the revided numbers will be.
In general, the revisions tend to stay in one direction for a while until the birth/death model catches up and then eventually they reverse direction when the economy changes. Large increases for two months indicates we’re growing stronger than expected right now. No reason to think that one month will change that.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
9:44 am
Jay you’ve got some real classy liberals on here with you.
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
9:44 am
“Take a look at the median income trend though. It has been dropping in that same period of time. What does that mean? Good high income jobs are being replaced with low income jobs. The jobless rate is only part of the picture.
Good example of what Mark Twain said about lies, dam lies and statistics.”
ALCS, looks like you prove your own quote – if you look hard enough, you can find some bad news somewhere! LOL
Tealiban Party
October 5th, 2012
9:44 am
The job numbers are made up…. The poll numbers are skewed…. Scientists are wroing… It must be he!! to live in the CON alternate reality world.
Don't Tread
October 5th, 2012
9:44 am
er “revised”
I need more coffee. But I don’t ask for the government to provide it.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:45 am
And then there is this:
And another poo-flinging monkey who doesn’t understand what a WARN notice is or why it doesn’t apply for LM in November.
East Lake Ira
October 5th, 2012
9:46 am
If you discount the loss of St. and Local gov’t jobs the rate would be below 7%.
BLS is not political folks.
You wingnuts get wingier and nuttier every day…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:46 am
“Everyone from my youth is.”
word.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:46 am
It must be he!! to live in the CON alternate reality world.
they seem to thrive in it, although I suspect they take more Zantac than most people.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:46 am
It has gotta really suck to be a Republican trying to campaign again on jobs.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 5th, 2012
9:47 am
ByteMe – Thugs vs. Ilk… in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:41 am
Yeah, and I’m working like hell to be the last to drop…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:47 am
“I need more coffee. But I don’t ask for the government to provide it.”
oh, FFS … you may not ask the government to provide it, but you DO expect it to be safe to drink … you DO expect it to be COFFEE when it’s labelled as such and not, oh, you know, dirt, ground glass and other flotsam and jetsam … and you DO expect the government to provide you with safe water with which to make it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
9:47 am
Mixed Jobs Report Shows Unemployment Down to 7.8%
townhall.com
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:48 am
Yeah, and I’m working like hell to be the last to drop…
The problem I’m finding is that fewer people now get my obscure references from 1970.
Doggone/GA
October 5th, 2012
9:48 am
“I need more coffee. But I don’t ask for the government to provide it.”
Maybe not…but you DO ask the government to ensure that it is safe to drink
Mick
October 5th, 2012
9:49 am
jm
Ohio – big three auto workers jobs saved, ohio governor? Tried to cut jobs and union bust – he lost, the workers won…
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:49 am
It has gotta really suck to be a Republican trying to campaign again on jobs.
Nah, just invent a mythical “it would have been better under me” mantra based on no evidence and your conned will just lap it up.
Doggone/GA
October 5th, 2012
9:49 am
USinUK – I owe you another coke!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:50 am
“It has gotta really suck to be a Republican trying to campaign again on jobs”
haha – yeah, they surely abandoned that ill-thought-out “are you better off 4 years ago” warm bucket of spit that they tested a couple of weeks ago
Jm
October 5th, 2012
9:50 am
Usinuk
Another class act. Dropping the F bomb constantly.
You’re parents would be very proud of you.
Donovan
October 5th, 2012
9:50 am
Hmmm…let’s see. November 6 is drawing closer and closer. Obama got his lunch taken from him Wednesday night and eaten. Romney enlightened an undecided electorate. Obama’s goose-steppers denied his trouncing with ludicrous explanations. And all of a sudden, we see the Obama Labor Department finding all kinds of new jobs to bring down the unemployment figures just before the election. We’re not stupid. Only elitists think that way.
Let’s just see how the news media handles this recently found nugget of information. Let’s just see how the news bias wets its pants over this “recently discovered” forgotten job count. What the Democrat Party does to stay in power is morally corrupt and reprehensible. Worse off, you liberals know it and you don’t care. But, enough of the obvious.
Part time jobs, seasonal jobs, or whatever fleeting job does not make a sound foundation for growth. You reprobates are grasping at straws. Temporary jobs = uncertainty of the future. Uncertainty of the future goes away when Obama goes away.
This country needs a businessman NOW. For God’s sake and the sake of this country…get out of the way and let Romney fix what’s broken. We certainly do not need anymore of this left wing thinking that you all have brought to the table since 2006.
getalife
October 5th, 2012
9:50 am
Great news.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:50 am
Doggone – as you didn’t include an “oh, FFS”, I’ll let you off the hook
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
9:50 am
“The problem I’m finding is that fewer people now get my obscure references from 1970.”
^^THIS^^
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 5th, 2012
9:50 am
They Both suck-
You are 100% correct. I was just entertaining myself by being a little snarky.
I really wish the unemployment numbers would improve faster. I have to many friends who are hurting, it kind of painful to see the sadness in their eyes. The collateral damage of divorces, foreclosures, etc. is tough to listen to.
In my head I know coming back from this hole will take a long time but in my heart I am impatient and want it to come faster.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
9:51 am
No name-calling ZoSo.
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
9:51 am
Romney just dropped like a rock on intrade…
Mick
October 5th, 2012
9:51 am
The cons had the day in the sun yesterday but now they have been eclipsed by some truth and good economic data…carry on…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:51 am
“Another class act. Dropping the F bomb constantly.”
yes. yes, I am a class act.
which is why you can’t keep up
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:51 am
Then why is he trying to keep defense contrctors from issuing notices ByeMe?
Perhaps you’re the one who should do the reading. The notices MUST go out 60 days before a potential layoff. If the defense department were going to do those layoffs starting Jan 1 because of the sequestered budget cuts, they would be required to send them November 1. But defense has said that even with the cuts they need to make, they will wind down programs throughout the year instead of all at once on Jan 1. So the WARN notices would be wrong. That’s what the White House “advised” them when queried about the potential for Jan 1 layoffs.
So, yeah, maybe you need to read up on the subject.
ZoSo
October 5th, 2012
9:51 am
My comment is awaitng moderation after this ditz calls me a poo flinging monkey. Have a good day.
Whatever.
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
9:52 am
USinner @ 9:47
If he saw some of the stuff that the “government” seized before it could enter the market, he wouldn’t have said that. Whether he realizes it or not, that big, bloated, evil government keeps him from eating stuff that would make him sh*t out his entire intestinal trac. He might want to go back and look at the amount of imported food again…
ZoSo
October 5th, 2012
9:52 am
See my last post Jay.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 5th, 2012
9:52 am
Jeez….my grammar has been awful lately.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:52 am
No name-calling ZoSo.
It’s ok, I’ve been using “poo-flinging monkey” this morning for those people who are just looking to see what will stick when they throw out their nonsense. Zo So is one of them, since he didn’t understand his talking point.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:53 am
““The problem I’m finding is that fewer people now get my obscure references from 1970.””
ohmygawd, YES!!!
Jm
October 5th, 2012
9:53 am
Mick
Of course OH unemployment would be higher without the auto bailout
What’s your point? You think governors are powerless?
Lib whining about Deal is irrelevant then I suppose.
Rabbit hole exit….
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
9:53 am
Jay
Give Jm a little attention. Say hello or something.
‘
When you burped him last week by giving him some attention he was ok for a few days, but it has wore off. Seems his colic is back and he probably needs to change his diaper
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:53 am
Waiting for Ben or Joseph to roll in with their poo.
Tealiban Party
October 5th, 2012
9:54 am
Steve-USA “None of the Above”
October 5th, 2012
9:37 am
Jay – “Just took a look out of curiosity: In Ohio, the jobless rate has fallen from 10.6 to 7.2 percent in the last three years.”
And a state that benefited from the Auto bailout. Imagine if That is fantastic. What party is the Governor?
So what’s the excuse for Georgia?
ZoSo
October 5th, 2012
9:54 am
Maybe somebody on here can answer the question as to why Obama is trying to stop the notices instead immediately attacking me persoanlly.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:54 am
“If he saw some of the stuff that the “government” seized before it could enter the market, he wouldn’t have said that. Whether he realizes it or not, that big, bloated, evil government keeps him from eating stuff that would make him sh*t out his entire intestinal trac”
hey – I say that all the empty-headed numpties that are all for a “free market” should be allowed to go to a warehouse somewhere and spin the wheel, buy those products … put their $$$ where their big, fat piehole is.
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
9:54 am
Jm
So what exactly has the Governor done in OH and tell us exactly how jobs can be attributed to his actions?
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:54 am
You think governors are powerless?
some sure act that way.
getalife
October 5th, 2012
9:55 am
jm,
Don’t worry.
mitt will say it it 8.8% to make you feel better.
alex
October 5th, 2012
9:55 am
1/2 of ohio moved to atlanta, the unemployed 1/2….an empiric statement born from a morbid bias of dubious intellectual curiosity……let’s see “we should GO TO OHIO TO GET A JOB”, HMMM, methinks papa johns is hiring drivers……Ah Cleveland is so beautiful and QUIET, NO traffic,idealic…
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:55 am
Maybe somebody on here can answer the question as to why Obama is trying to stop the notices instead immediately attacking me persoanlly.
Doubt it was Obama “personally”, but maybe if you read what I wrote it you could educate yourself Young Man… instead of flinging poo to see what will stick.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
9:56 am
“no name calling”
Jay’s a comedian. A weak one, but one nonetheless.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:56 am
Will Republicans finally start to question Mitch McConnell’s master plan and just say no to him.
ZoSo
October 5th, 2012
9:57 am
You are a dolt ByteMe. Look at the story instead of making up crap. Don’t bother warning me about name calling because I’m out.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:57 am
no name calling
And really, I didn’t know if he was using “Jerk Off” as a noun or a verb.
Goldie
October 5th, 2012
9:57 am
and the Cons’ heads will be exploding today — LOL!
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
9:57 am
Jm
Doesn’t like the numbers. He wouldn’t be talking about any governor had the numbers went to other way.
It would be his typical crying diatribe about Obama
DownInAlbany
October 5th, 2012
9:57 am
But, the numbers don’t add up, even if you use your 200,000 number! IF 200,000 jobs were created (I’m being generous), how did the number of unemployed people drop by 450,000? Sooo, what happened to the other 250,000 people? The math doesn’t work here, folks.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:57 am
Look at the story instead of making up crap.
How about you look further than the one story to find out what the law is and why it might not apply here.
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
9:58 am
“Romney just dropped like a rock on intrade…”
Actually, has a slight bump over the last 10 days or so – up to $3.10 from about $2.50. That means those who put their money where their mouth is think Romney is up to a 31% chance of winning…
Adam
October 5th, 2012
9:58 am
Here’s the tally so far, from the BLS:
January 2009:
Total nonfarm: 133,561,000
Private: 110,985,000
Government: 22,576,000
Federal: 2,790,000
State: 5,198,000
Local: 14,588,000
February 2009:
Total nonfarm: 132,837,000
Private: 110,260,000
Government: 22,577,000
Federal: 2,795,000
State: 5,188,000
Local: 14,594,000
Adjusted to January 20, 2009 (Subtract Jan 2009 from Feb 2009, multiply by 11/31 days, “add” that number to the Feb 2009 total to get a decreased amount from the Feb numbers – making Obama responsible from “day one” but not before that on average numbers)
Total nonfarm: 133,304,097
Private: 110,727,742
Government: 2,791,774
Federal: 2,795,000
State: 5,194,452
Local: 14,590,129
Differences:
From January 2009 (the one most people measure by):
Total nonfarm difference: -61,000
Private difference: +514,000
Government difference: -575,000
Federal difference: +24,000
State difference: -129,000
Local difference: -470,000
From February 2009 (first full month in office):
Total nonfarm difference: +663,000
Private difference: +1,239,000
Government difference: -576,000
Federal difference: +19,000
State difference: -119,000
Local difference: -476,000
From January 20, 2009 (based on averaging the January 2009 numbers):
Total nonfarm difference: +195,903
Private difference: +771,258
Government difference: -575,355
Federal difference: +22,226
State difference: -125,452
Local difference: -472,129
State and Local governments are dropping workers, Federal is barely adding them, but the private sector is BOOMING.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
9:58 am
ZoSo 9:54
No they can’t. They’ve already lost the argument.
getalife
October 5th, 2012
9:58 am
cnn is depressed after announcing it to.
Imagine how low it would be if the passed our President’s jobs plan.
Mick
October 5th, 2012
9:59 am
jm
Just like we would have 33k more good paying jobs in tampa if it wasn’t for gov rick “the disaster” scott cancelling the high speed train. Instead, california picked up the 2.2 billion – what a dork…
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
9:59 am
USinner
I would pay top dollar to see that. Even if they charged me extra to watch them suffer some of the results. Hopefully, the enterprising capitalist who sold the tickets would use some of the profits to aid their health care bills to keep them from mooching off of everyone else.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:59 am
“That means those who put their money where their mouth is think Romney is up to a 31% chance of winning…”
you sure do know how to bring the party
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
9:59 am
“Jeez….my grammar has been awful lately”
Be nice to her – you’ll be old some day yourself…
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
9:59 am
how did the number of unemployed people drop by 450,000?
A good question. One possible answer: a rising stock market makes it easier for some people not to want to work, so they are not considered “unemployed” any longer.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
10:01 am
Brocephus – I’m really not kidding. All these people who LOVE to talk about how the gummint is keeping them down, how the gummint doesn’t do anything right … let them go shopping, dining, etc in a “regulation-free zone”
the good thing is that, at least they’d be weeded out of the population
Doggone/GA
October 5th, 2012
10:01 am
Looks like ZoSo couldn’t stand being treated with the “respect” he deserved
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
10:01 am
‘That means those who put their money where their mouth is think Romney is up to a 31% chance of winning…’
That’s good odds…538 has him at around 15% chance…
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:02 am
Can you “short” Romney… or do you have to buy Obama? On Intrade, I mean
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
October 5th, 2012
10:03 am
Jay, you know the CONS want everyone to believe the sky is falling and armageddon is on the horizon You are going to make their heads explode with this good news… lol
Welcome to the Occupation
October 5th, 2012
10:04 am
Poor Mitt! That librul media came along and manufactured another story to change that intolerable narrative of the Mitt upsurge!
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 5th, 2012
10:04 am
“how did the number of unemployed people drop by 450,000?”
I am to lazy to look it up but I believe the number of baby boomers retiring and leaving the job market each month is pretty high. That could be a partial explanation.
…..or I could be totally wrong because this is outside my area of expertise.
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
10:05 am
The good ol’ days…
September 2008, 432,000 net jobs lost.
phil
October 5th, 2012
10:05 am
Wow. Quite funny. Those numbers keep getting revised to look better. Who could have predicted that? LMAO…
Adam
October 5th, 2012
10:06 am
FiveThirtyEight has Obama at 87.1% chance of winning, 51.6% popular vote, Romney with 12.9% chance of winning.
As polls come in for post-debate, this MIGHT change to 80%, 51%, and 20%, respectively.
I’m shivering in my boots.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:07 am
Romney: ‘This Is Not What A Real Recovery Looks Like’
Oh, really? So what does a “Real Recovery” from a credit crisis look like, sir?
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
October 5th, 2012
10:07 am
Maybe Robme got the moochers and victims motivated enough to go get jobs…. LMAO
larry
October 5th, 2012
10:07 am
I wonder if those numbers of unemployed, including long-term unemployed……. included Romney himself.
I can’t believe people want to elect an unemployed person.
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
10:07 am
Steve @ 9:50
Agreed 100%. I am of the contention that we are in for slow to moderate job growth for several yrs. Consumer spending accounts for 70% of the economy, however consumer debt levels are very high. Starting to come down, but still very high.
Romney or Obama imo will not be changing that landscape in quick fashion. As the consumer debt levels start to go down and people are able to spend more, we will then start to see more job growth.
alex
October 5th, 2012
10:07 am
@alittlecommonsense, Mark Twain was quoting Benjamin Disraeli(sp?), yes, Jay the same Disraeli of Disraeli gears the outstanding Cream album of the 60’s. Now for the rest of the story…mulitivariet equations….
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:07 am
Those numbers keep getting revised to look better. Who could have predicted that? LMAO…
Hashtag being invented now: #BLStruthers
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
10:07 am
“Wow. Quite funny. Those numbers keep getting revised to look better. Who could have predicted that? LMAO…”
and are aligning with ADP – a private company.
getalife
October 5th, 2012
10:08 am
The one next month should be better.
Now , let’s vote out the gop congress to prove he is not a one term President but their terms are up.
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
10:08 am
Jay
If I can offer a suggestion or two for your lead into FNM, I’d like to throw these two suggestions out there.
Based on Romney’s performance in the first debate, I think we witnessed a moment in time that will likely not be seen again. A politician did a complete makeover of his entire campaign overnight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3fZuW-aJsg
We can’t say we were not warned ahead of time though as his campaign gave us a heads up to watch for the Etch-A-Sketch moment. His campaign should see if they can get approval to use this at every campaign stop now. People bought it, so they may as well enjoy it and dance.
Another song that came to mind as a result of the debate and responses afterwards comes from a classic movie being sung by a great actor. Most of us get that sugar buzz when we eat a lot of sweets, and that performance was a factory load of sugary treats being handed out to the trick-or-treaters in order to get them to “like” the candidate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2pt2-F2j2g
Listening to Romney’s responses and attacks during the debate made me think of that song. He seemed like he was peddling the things that people would like, but I don’t think America is thinking about the stomach ache that follows eating a crapload of sweets at one sitting.
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
10:08 am
The high Republicans were on yesterday turned out to be a placebo high.
Romney 2012- “I was completely wrong.”
Jm
October 5th, 2012
10:08 am
FWIW
2 things- Romney signs and stickers proliferating here in SFL
Overheard 2 women discussing the debate during lunch yesterday. She was clearly disenchanted with Obama, but she wasn’t going to vote for Romney, no way no how. The other woman replied with a lot of unhums. Couldn’t tell her views.
Romney still has lots of work to do winning more women’s votes.
Ol' Timer
October 5th, 2012
10:08 am
This crap has got to stop! It cannot be allowed to continue!
The Republican/Tea Partyers in the Congress have got to do something to reverse this trend!
Put on the brakes. Quick!
Gridlock! Gridlock! Criticize! Scrutinize! Monopolize! Ostracize! Minimize! Simonize!
Ya’ hear me, this improvement in the economy has got to stop immediately.
We only have two more months to go. He’s running out of incarnations. Do somthing quick!
Mary Elizabeth
October 5th, 2012
10:09 am
This is wonderful news and, now, the unemployment rate has fallen under 8%. Those who wanted the economic recovery to occur faster may not have fully understood the depths of the near depression that this nation has sustained.
I would put my money on a president who has helped to move this nation in the right direction, rather than on one who simply asserts, well, that he would accomplish even more. “Talk is cheap,” if you will. Moreover, Romney’s assertions of self-promotion must be analyzed more closely, yet, for their actual validity.
Krugman: “The question now is whether the revelation that he (Romney) was making stuff up matters. Is our system shallow enough — and in particular, are our media so much into appearances rather than reality — that it’s OK to lie to win an argument, with no further consequences?
Time will tell.”
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/a-test-of-the-system/
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:10 am
Overheard 2 women discussing the debate during lunch yesterday. She was clearly disenchanted with Obama, but she wasn’t going to vote for Romney, no way no how. The other woman replied with a lot of unhums.
Old women or young?
alex
October 5th, 2012
10:10 am
That is IF people have not changed their spending, saving habits, but then again, if you can lease a bemmer, get an adjustable mortgage and send you kid to a public school, why save…..sheeesh
DownInAlbany
October 5th, 2012
10:11 am
“how did the number of unemployed people drop by 450,000?”
I am to lazy to look it up but I believe the number of baby boomers retiring and leaving the job market each month is pretty high. That could be a partial explanation.
how did the number of unemployed people drop by 450,000?
A good question. One possible answer: a rising stock market makes it easier for some people not to want to work, so they are not considered “unemployed” any longer.
Why not simply admit that the math doesn’t work, that the numbers are in fact a lie? This admin will do anything to get re-elected. Why not admit it?
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
10:12 am
Shouldn’t Republicans be happy to see the job growth.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
10:12 am
The job truthers are out!
Here’s a tweet from Jack Welch — yes THE Jack Welch of GE fame:
“Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can’t debate so change numbers”
When reality does not conform to your wishes, I guess you just invent a conspiracy to explain it all away. But to see someone of Welch’s stature stoop to such nonsense tells you just how deep and desperate this is getting.
Goldie
October 5th, 2012
10:13 am
remember Cons, Mitt has been running for Prez for the past 7 years, so he knows a thing or 2 about how it feels to be unemployed — bwaaaa! The only difference is he’s got his $$$ stored safely overseas where he can’t even contribute to the economic progress of America — way to go, Cons, supporting that freeloader!
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:14 am
Why not simply admit that the math doesn’t work, that the numbers are in fact a lie?
Or, why not admit that you don’t know and go look it up on the BLS site yourself? Their methodology and numbers — you know, math — are wide open for examination. bls.gov.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:14 am
But to see someone of Welch’s stature stoop to such nonsense tells you just how deep and desperate this is getting.
He joined the ranks of cranky old coot years ago.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
10:14 am
“But to see someone of Welch’s stature stoop to such nonsense tells you just how deep and desperate this is getting.”
he’s a republican – what do you expect?
Jm
October 5th, 2012
10:14 am
Byteme 10:10 I’d say early 40’s
-poo flinger
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
10:15 am
I am of the contention that we are in for slow to moderate job growth for several yrs.
Hell, I said that years ago. We don’t have the job infrastructure to power our way out of this recession. Up until the 80’s, we had the means to manufacture our way out of a recession. That didn’t require us to spend money, we only had to build stuff to sell to the rest of the world. Since the 80’s, we’ve had nothing but “jobless” recoveries which means that every time we lost jobs in a recession, we never truly brought them back.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 5th, 2012
10:15 am
DowninAlbany – “Why not simply admit that the math doesn’t work, that the numbers are in fact a lie? This admin will do anything to get re-elected. Why not admit it?”
My apologies. I didn’t realize your question was sarcasm. I was actually trying to have a discussion and answer your question with a possible reason.
getalife
October 5th, 2012
10:15 am
romney finally admits his 47% comment was “completely wrong” but did not apologize.
Now, he should apologize for his “terrorist sympathizer” attack on our President now that we have troops in Libya.
As far as the media and the debate, I think I wrote enough about that.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 5th, 2012
10:15 am
Mary Elizabeth: “I would put my money on a president who has helped to move this nation in the right direction”
How is a steady erosion of high-paying jobs and an increase in low-wage, temporary jobs “moving this nation in the right direction”?
Goldie
October 5th, 2012
10:15 am
For the right-wingnuts, it’s all about the Chicago conspiracy! And the Kenya conspiracy, of course! LMAO!
Verbal Kint
October 5th, 2012
10:16 am
So, less jobs created in September compared to August. August is now less jobs created than in July (after the revisions). Is that a good trend?
This is still the worst jobs recovery in decades. GDP growth is less than 2%, manufacturing has lost more jobs than any sector, yet we see an increase in what…..PT jobs. Yea. I’m convinced this President is doing things right.
Goldie
October 5th, 2012
10:16 am
Mitt connecting with the little people and doing his race-baiting, saying: “who let the dogs out???”
Mick
October 5th, 2012
10:16 am
Funny how last month when the jobs report came out obama was being hammered by the numbers and no one was questioning their validity. Now, when the number of unemployment drops, well then what’s going on here? Is the fix in or is it just another snapshot of the general trend? This country is ping pong…
Obama is over
October 5th, 2012
10:17 am
U6, which is the employment statistic that institutional investors watch, is unchanged at 14.7%. 600,000 of the 873,000 new jobs are part time reflecting continuing business hesitation to hire because of Obama policies. The headline of an unemployment rate drop to 7.8% may seem positive, but the reality is that more people who need and want to work full time are having to accept part time jobs because that is all that is available.
ATLien
October 5th, 2012
10:17 am
The Right’s Perspective
Employment numbers tepid
“Obama has no plan, he can’t create jobs, he’s not good for America, let’s take the country back”
Employment numbers stronger and unemployment falls to the lowest level in 44 months
“Obama made these numbers up. Its a conspiracy between the President and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, you can’t believe these numbers. He’s horrible for America”
Its clear that those on the right don’t want what’s best for America. They want the country to stagnate and regress for political expediency. The Jobs Act was proposed in Sept 2011 which could have buffeted all of these statistics but guess what happened to that. Just think of what could have been achieved with out the obstructionist Republicans in Congress
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:17 am
I’d say early 40’s
So not quite dead yet
It’s an interesting anecdotal data point. When someone goes “um hum” when they have a chance to agree or disagree, it’s always passive-speak for “I completely disagree but I don’t want to have to jump out of my chair and beat the crap out of you, so I’ll just nod and wait until it passes.”
East Lake Ira
October 5th, 2012
10:18 am
The same Jack Welch that fudged the books at GE?
Smarmy, sleezy, six sigma a-hole.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/04/ge-immelt-sec-earnings-business-beltway-ge.html
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 5th, 2012
10:19 am
Here’s a tweet from Jack Welch — yes THE Jack Welch of GE fame: “Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can’t debate so change numbers”
But…but…but… who needs evidence before you allege conspiracies.
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
10:19 am
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/05/unemployment-rate-below-8-but-romney-says-not-enough/?hpt=hp_t1
Jay
October 5th, 2012
10:19 am
“Why not simply admit that the math doesn’t work, that the numbers are in fact a lie? This admin will do anything to get re-elected. Why not admit it?
Because before you make a charge of corruption on the scale that you claim, you need at least a TINY bit of evidence. And you have none.
THAT is why.
Seriously people. This is just basic stuff here. Romney has a lot of conservative economists at his beck and call. If these numbers had been tinkered with, don’t you think they’d be yelling about it at the top of their lungs?
You people are just crying “WITCH!! WITCH!!” in an irrational attempt to explain things that scare you and that you do not understand.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 5th, 2012
10:19 am
Jack. Effing. Welch.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:19 am
This is still the worst jobs recovery in decades.
It was also the worst credit crisis since 1929… and the recovery has been better, because the response didn’t have to wait 3 years until the Republican president was finally voted out of office… only had to wait 4 months instead.
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
10:20 am
“Hell, I said that years ago.”
Me too. In fact 4 years ago I said on this blog that whoever was elected, McCain or Obama, would have a difficult time being re-elected because the recession we were in was so bad a quick recovery was out of the question.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
10:21 am
“U6, which is the employment statistic that institutional investors watch, is unchanged at 14.7%”
having worked as a financial analyst for an institutional investor, I can honestly tell you … no they bloody well don’t.
they look at the exact same stats you look at.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:21 am
In fact 4 years ago I said on this blog that whoever was elected, McCain or Obama, would have a difficult time being re-elected because the recession we were in was so bad a quick recovery was out of the question.
I said the same thing. “Be careful what you wish for” when you wish to be President as the country enters a credit crisis.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 5th, 2012
10:21 am
You people are just crying “WITCH!! WITCH!!” in an irrational attempt to explain things that you scare you and that you do not understand
And how do we know she’s a Witch?
mike
October 5th, 2012
10:22 am
And…the number of people who applied for and were granted permanent disability benefits over the last three years, has gone up by how much?
Many people who have been laid off are never planning on working again now that they are being taken care of by the taxpayers. That is part of why this number is dropping.
I live in a small community in north Ga. and we have almost 14%.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
10:22 am
Re Welch
My buddies in the distressed housing biz are pretty sure Obama is trying to boost housing in the runup to the election by holding back Fannie and Freddie foreclosure inventory
The fix is on, and you’re a fool if you think otherwise
The fix may fail, but they’re running every play they can
I don’t know whether they’ve games unemployment, but I wouldn’t put it past them
PinkoNeoConLibertarian
October 5th, 2012
10:22 am
Gotta love the people concerned about the party affiliation of the Ohio governor. So the logic is this…if the unemployment rate is UP, it’s all Obama’s fault. But if it’s DOWN, it’s due to the governor of that state?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
10:23 am
“they look at the exact same stats you look at.”
and what stats are they, you may well ask:
CPI (both headline and core)
Unemployment
Service and Manufacturing growth
Factory orders
Construction
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 5th, 2012
10:24 am
My buddies in the distressed housing biz are pretty sure Obama is trying to boost housing in the runup to the election by holding back Fannie and Freddie foreclosure inventory
Told you that in the checkout line at the Whole Foods did they?
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
10:24 am
If only Obama would create more of those solid permanent home construction jobs like Bush did… sigh…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
10:24 am
“if the unemployment rate is UP, it’s all Obama’s fault. But if it’s DOWN, it’s due to the governor of that state?”
see: Georgia
Two Parties, One Con (formerly Welcome to the Occupation)
October 5th, 2012
10:25 am
“Why not simply admit that the math doesn’t work, that the numbers are in fact a lie? This admin will do anything to get re-elected. Why not admit it?
Richard Hofstadter essentially said all that you need to know about the American political psyche. Nothing else really needs to be said.
We’re talking psychosis, pure and simple.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:25 am
CPI (both headline and core)
Unemployment
Service and Manufacturing growth
Factory orders
Construction
I would have added:
People converting from PT to FT and average hours worked
Taxes collected by the states (which is an awesome indicator of sales and payroll activity in real-time)
Jm
October 5th, 2012
10:26 am
Welcome to the Occupation
October 5th, 2012
10:19 am
Jack. Effing. Welch.
LinkReport this comment
Please be more polite. His formal name is Neutron Jack and he would prefer it if you called him by that.
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
10:27 am
“My buddies in the distressed housing biz are pretty sure Obama is trying to boost housing in the runup to the election by holding back Fannie and Freddie foreclosure inventory
The fix is on, and you’re a fool if you think otherwise”
Con logic^^^
Mary Elizabeth
October 5th, 2012
10:27 am
Again, Welcome, compared to what? Another Great Depression was looming, very quickly, on the horizon when Obama took office. The figures today are so much better than they were, then.
I take it you plan to vote for Romney from your constant dissatisfaction with Obama – because you only have two choices, you know?
stands for decibels
October 5th, 2012
10:27 am
My buddies in the distressed housing biz
…they tell their kids that they play piano in a whorehouse, of course, to maintain appearances.
scott
October 5th, 2012
10:27 am
How many people stopped looking for work Bookman? How many of these new jobs are part time seasonal? The reporting of this report is so flawed it isn’t even funny. The good thing is that most of America sees the problem with the report. They have caught on to the numbers game. Regardless of what this number, it doesn’t hide the fact that people in this country are hurting and hurting bad. As Biden said, they have gotten BURIED the last 4 years. They have gotten buried and there is nobody to blame but this current admin who made so many promises and underdelivered on pretty much every one of them. Well….besides giving away the obamamoney and the obamaphone. Even there, they probably underdelivered. Maybe one of you liberals can enlighten us. Did you get all of the freebies promised to you?
Tundra Dude
October 5th, 2012
10:28 am
romney finally admits his 47% comment was “completely wrong” but did not apologize
He’s dedicated his entire working life to gain admittance to that exclusive (non-taxpaying) Club of 47.
Cherokee
October 5th, 2012
10:29 am
Jm
Gotta love how you and your fellow travelers start yelling about conspiracy theories any time the news doesn’t reflect what Fox and Boortz and Limbaugh have told you.
Maybe things really are improving…no thanks to Republicans of course.
getalife
October 5th, 2012
10:29 am
Does anybody know mitt’s tax plan for today?
teacher
October 5th, 2012
10:29 am
Jm
still think QE3 doesn’t help banks? C opened 32.90 on 9-13-2012 now 35.50ish
BAC 8.89 now 9.50ish
the spread on mortgage is the highest in 10 yrs.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
10:31 am
“I have in my pocket a list of the 169 BLS statisticians who are distorting the data about this election.”
Is that how this one goes, guys?
Or do you explain this by the fact that the BLS “underrepresented” Republicans in their sampling?
getalife
October 5th, 2012
10:31 am
cons say it is rigged.
Like Ann, I worry about their mental health.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
10:32 am
“Maybe things really are improving…no thanks to Republicans of course.”
reminds me about the guys on the tandem bike … they just summitted a HUGE hill, the guy in front was huffing and puffing, saying that it was such a hard climb … the guy in the back said, “yeah, thank god I had my brakes on the whole way of we would have slid all the way back down”
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 5th, 2012
10:33 am
While for most Americans, the growing economy is good news, conservatives immediately expressed their skepticism in the jobs report’s credibility.
Meet the growing list of cons who claim job numbers are a conspiracy
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
10:33 am
there wasnt much con questioning of the numbers last month
Mick
October 5th, 2012
10:33 am
mary elizabeth
Do you write for salon? Saw your name there a couple of days ago and wondered if you are the same person…
Two Parties, One Con (formerly Welcome to the Occupation)
October 5th, 2012
10:34 am
Jm, noted.
Mary Elizabeth, it’s certainly true that he saved the economy from almost certain catastrophe. But he did so by rescuing the finance sector while giving short shrift to homeowners and workers in general. Even with his Detroit rescue, workers have been the ones to pay the price.
getalife
October 5th, 2012
10:35 am
Poor scott,
Are you okay?
This is good news.
gop obstruction failed.
Mary Elizabeth
October 5th, 2012
10:36 am
Mick, can’t imagine that Salon would publish someone without a last name.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
10:36 am
mike – “I live in a small community in north Ga. and we have almost 14%.”
Sounds like you need to move.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
10:37 am
Let’s not expect the Cons to take it like adults.
nelson
October 5th, 2012
10:37 am
The labor statistics included in the above report are:
#1 Unemployed 15,500,000 unchanged in August.. #2 Black 14.1% unemployed
#3 Hispanic 10.2%
#4 Involuntary part time 8,000,000
#5 People out of work in the last year not included if had given up in the last 4 weeks.
#6 Caterpillar the worlds largest machinery maker cited lower global economic growth portending further market slowdown and is reducing its revenue and long term earnings estimate.
These aforementioned statistics are hardly optimistic.
Mr. Snarky
October 5th, 2012
10:38 am
Since these numbers are soooo obviously rigged and everyone can see that, then no need for the repubs to worry. They’ve got it in the bag. Their unskewed polls no doubt confirm this.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
10:40 am
“Bellyaching is not covered under Romney’s plan.”
hehehe. Colbert
jj
October 5th, 2012
10:40 am
and yet the U6 number remained unchanged at 14.7%.
And the upward revision to tht last two months suddelny follows the downward revision of tha last two months.
Does anyone else smell a fish?
Mick
October 5th, 2012
10:40 am
mary elizabeth
Well…you are correct, here is your cousin?
http://www.salon.com/writer/mary_elizabeth_williams/
jose
October 5th, 2012
10:41 am
Your own newspaper is reporting that commodity markets like oil dropped on the news because of disappointment at the numbers and the fear that the economy remains stagnant. You can spin the report anyway you want, Jay, but the overall point, whether one is a democrat or republican, is that the economy continues to stagger (both U.S. and global economy).
mike
October 5th, 2012
10:42 am
No thanks Butch….life on Lake Burton is too sweet to move!!!
td
October 5th, 2012
10:42 am
Jay,
Here is where the unemployment rate went down. The Feds went on a hiring spree just at the right time. Now tell me again how this is not manipulation by Obama? This is also the reason the deficit is higher then last year.
Unemployment Rate Plummets to 4.3%–For Government Workers
By Terence P. Jeffrey
October 5, 2012
Subscribe to Terence P. Jeffrey’s posts
Barack Obama
President Barack Obama (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)
(CNSNews.com) – The best news anywhere in the U.S. economy over the past three months has been in the government sector, where unemployment has dropped dramatically from 5.7 percent in July to 5.1 percent in August to 4.3 percent in September, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Both the federal and state governments increased their employees in July, August and September.
The Obama administration has added 10,000 civilian workers to the federal government’s payroll since July, according to BLS. In that month, the federal government employed 2,804,000 civilian workers. In August, that increased to 2,810,000. And, in September, the number of civilian federal employees increased again to 2,814,000.
The BLS’s count of civilian federal employees does not include members of the military or individuals who work for certain intelligence gathering agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency and the NSA.
The Obama administration has been able to accomplish a net increase in federal employees over the past three months even while the U.S. Postal Service–whose employees are considered part of the federal workforce–eliminated jobs and decreased its payroll. In July, according to BLS, the Postal Service employed 610,000 people. In August, that declined to 609,900, and in September that declined to 606,900.
State governments have added a net of 17,000 new workers to their taxpayer-funded payrolls over the past three months. In July, state government around the nation employed 5,052,000 people. In August, that climbed to 5,056,000, and in September it climbed again to 5,069,000
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/unemployment-rate-plummets-43-government-workers
Elliot Spitzer
October 5th, 2012
10:43 am
George Soros is hiring!
Mary Elizabeth
October 5th, 2012
10:43 am
Two Workers,
In all due respect, you have got to be listening to too much rightwing propaganda, with statements such as this one: “Even with his Detroit rescue, workers have been the ones to pay the price.”
” ‘Some politicians,’ Mr. Obama said, ‘even said we should ‘let Detroit go bankrupt!’ (referring to Romney).”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/us/politics/obama-reminds-united-auto-workers-of-bailout-in-speech.html
DownInAlbany
October 5th, 2012
10:44 am
You people are just crying “WITCH!! WITCH!!” in an irrational attempt to explain things that scare you and that you do not understand.
You people. Ah, ha. What is your definition of “you people?” Those that do not agree with you and don’t take these unemployment numbers at face value? “Irrational?” Wow! Don’t mince words, will you? “that you don’t understand” So “you people” are not only “irrational” but stupid, too?
Thanks for an intelligent and rational explanation, there, Jay.
No one has yet to offer a viable answer to what happened to the “other 250,000.” Because, there is only one viable answer, the numbers are manipulated. Until you give me a better answer…that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. No amount of name calling will change my mind!
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
10:45 am
the overall point, whether one is a democrat or republican, is that the economy continues to stagger (both U.S. and global economy).
Why?
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
10:45 am
“The fix is on, and you’re a fool if you think otherwise”
And you can validate that or are we all supposed to take it as fact because a few of your buddies said so?
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
October 5th, 2012
10:45 am
Unemployment at 4 year low and Stock Mkt at 4 year high its a horror! Suck it CONS..
pete
October 5th, 2012
10:46 am
The funny thing about that 7.8% is that NOBODY believes it. Even the morning folks at CNBC were looking at it funny. Someone at that network predicted yesterday that the new numbers would magically be down since the election is coming up.
Note to ‘Team Obama’, the game is over. Get ready to stand in the unemployment line.
flagger
October 5th, 2012
10:46 am
I see on T.V. all the time that 10,000 people are retiring each day for a total of 300,000 per month so were are the replacements for those 300,000 jobs each month???? Go figure!!!!
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:46 am
Those that do not agree with you and don’t take these unemployment numbers at face value?
Nope, those who could spend the time to look at the math and the numbers from BLS (as well as ADP, the largest payroll service in America), but refuse to do so, stick their fingers in their ears and yell “conspiracy” over and over… even though these were the same people last month pointing at the exact same numbers from the exact same source and claiming it meant the end of Obama’s time in office.
Those people. You’ve seen them around, I’m guessing.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
10:46 am
mike – “No thanks Butch….life on Lake Burton is too sweet to move!!!”
That sounds familier, where is i?. I only lived in Atlanta for 4 years before moving to NYC.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
10:47 am
IF the FIX were actually on…we’d have had the Republicans fixed years ago.
Snip Snip
getalife
October 5th, 2012
10:47 am
Once again,great news for our country makes cons heads explode.
Unhinged.
The movie about getting obl airs Nov. 4.
Reality
October 5th, 2012
10:47 am
Compare this number to the same time last year – this WILL take into account seasonal and/or part time jobs. When you compare these numbers, it is STILL good news.
Things are getting better. We are on the right track. We need to keep moving FORWARD!
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
10:48 am
Just looked at unskewedpolls.com – even they give Obama 255 electoral votes.
There methodolgy on swing state polls: they take the poll numbers (Obama invariably wins), then assume any undecided splits 75-25 for Romney. This gives Romney (for instance) a 0.25% lead in Colorado, which they award to Romney. Even using THIS methodology, they give Obama 255 EVs! LOL
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
10:48 am
pete – “The funny thing about that 7.8% is that NOBODY believes it.”
Then you should have no trouble providing us with a myriad of links to all these naysayers.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:50 am
Then you should have no trouble providing us with a myriad of links to all these naysayers.
I don’t want to see them… I want to see their math.
Adam
October 5th, 2012
10:50 am
What is your definition of “you people?” Those that do not agree with you and don’t take these unemployment numbers at face value?
Yes. Because you’re dumb. Irrational. An idiot. All of those things if you throw accusations out there of corruption with no evidence and no mathematical or statistical background.
For, if you had the background, you’d go to the website and look at exactly how they figure this stuff out, and realize they are doing it the same way they have done it for decades. Which means no corruption.
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
10:50 am
“No one has yet to offer a viable answer to what happened to the “other 250,000.” Because, there is only one viable answer, the numbers are manipulated. Until you give me a better answer…that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. No amount of name calling will change my mind”
^^Con logic^^
Ray Tardinski
October 5th, 2012
10:51 am
True to form – Bookamn bends the details to tell the story he wants you to believe as a completely irresponsible journalist (sorry, opinion writer)
NSA participation rate drops…again…the big one that BI loves to ignore. Also kids…look at table B-1…total private jobs (not seasonal adjusted) dropped by ~400,000. The reason the rate dropped…because the NILF rose substantially. Make that denominator smaller and the unemployment rate will drop….because there are fewer people to count. Doubt any of you will care to read the data though.
I just got back from meetings in northern Ohio where more layoffs are a coming in industrially rich Cleveland/Akron- try telling the people there unemployment has fallen and they will laugh. This is going to backfire. Rosey numbers after being demolished in a debate are only going to serve to increase suspicions of voters who are either having to work part time jobs because they can’t find employment or have simply given up. Odumber better have a handle on the numbers in the next debate, anyone with “arithmetic” skills is going to pick this apart. Can you run regression on historical monthly initial emp #s vs pct change of revision. Something is fishy with ~+50% chg in Aug and Jul.
Just Saying..
October 5th, 2012
10:51 am
Well, THIS is bad news,
viewed thru the GOP Patriot lens…
scott
October 5th, 2012
10:54 am
getalife…..this is good news? The fact that you think this is good news shows how stupid you really are. You are one of the people that just believes everything the media tells you and believes it 100% without ever thinking about how this number could ever come about. No thought that maybe, just maybe the number results because the numerator changes. When you take away people searching for jobs…not because they actually found full time employment, but rather because they either stopped looking or managed to find some part time work, or course the number will look better. The proof that this is not an improvement is not shown by the number bu the millions of people who are still unemployed…who are still “BURIED” for the last 4 years. It is really sad that you are just so narrow-minded that you cannot understand this. It is sad that you cannot comprehend that this number number appeared because of a reelection campaign. I am starting to understand why two years ago, Obama wanted to see the extension of unemployment benefits out for 2 years. He wanted them to expire right around election time so that the unemployment number would drop after all of those people were considered to have stopped searching and fell off the rolls. hmmmmm…..and you guys think Romney is shady.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
10:54 am
Ray Tard….”True to form – Bookamn bends the details to tell the story he wants you to believe”
Are you also sending in your comments to FOX News as well?
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
10:55 am
Nothin’ fills a con’s heart with joy like lookin’ at them folks in the unemplyment line…
Two Parties, One Con
October 5th, 2012
10:55 am
Enter your comments here
getalife
October 5th, 2012
10:56 am
This will cheer you up cons:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/jimmy-fallon-debates-as-romney-lehrer-shut-the-f-up_n_1941473.html
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:56 am
NSA participation rate drops…again…the big one that BI loves to ignore.
Gee, and the non-mathmatician worries about the wrong stat and then tosses us an anecdotal bone.
scott
October 5th, 2012
10:57 am
Granny Godzilla “IF the FIX were actually on…we’d have had the Republicans fixed years ago.
Snip Snip”
I wish your father had been snipped before he had you so we would not have to hear your mindless drivel.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
10:57 am
scott – “The proof that this is not an improvement is not shown by the number bu the millions of people who are still unemployed…who are still “BURIED” for the last 4 years. It is really sad that you are just so narrow-minded that you cannot understand this.”
Stop whining and waiting for the government to rescue you. Take resopnsibility and pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
Mary Elizabeth
October 5th, 2012
10:57 am
Mick, Thanks for the compliment, but Willilams is not moi. But I do like how Mary Elizabeth Williams thinks, i.e. as she exposed this man’s biased and shallow opinion of women with his letter to an overweight TV journalist – which read, in part: “Surely you don’t consider yourself a suitable example for this community’s young people, girls in particular. Obesity is one. . .”
Here’s my take on that same theme: http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/how-women-are-viewed-in-this-world-2012-2/
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
10:57 am
“The proof that this is not an improvement is not shown by the number bu the millions of people who are still unemployed…who are still “BURIED” for the last 4 years. It is really sad that you are just so narrow-minded that you cannot understand this. ”
Translation: “If you could only see the facts here inside-the-bubble, you would surely change your mind…”
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 5th, 2012
10:58 am
Well, I don’t care how much they lie, I know the economy is in the dumps. I got my Golf Tee Index that tells me it is. It’s never failed.
When you go to a golf course that’’s open to the public, just walk up on the teeing area. In good times you’ll find lots of half tee pegsand even full tee pegs where people won’t even bother to stoop down to pick them up. But the worser the times get, the fewer tee pegs you’ll find. And I’m telling you, for the last 4 yrs. you can’t hardly find even a stub of a tee peg. People are even picking them up and reusing them till they’re nothing but splinters. Nowadays, you need to use your own tee peg on a par 3. That’s the Golf Tee Index.
So you can beleive what you want to beleive, but I know the truth. Now tee areas at private golf clubs don’t count. The people that play there can afford to leave stubs and even full tee pegs, what with the tax cuts and all. Matter of fact, right after a big tax cut is when you’ll find the most tee pegs at private clubs. But that’s another story.
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
10:58 am
“The funny thing about that 7.8% is that NOBODY believes it.”
The funny thing is enough people do believe it. Obama back up to 70.9, and climbing, on Intrade.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
10:58 am
The fact that you think this is good news shows how stupid you really are.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
Some guys really do just need to stay single. Who would want to live with their depression?
getalife
October 5th, 2012
10:58 am
scott,
Tell your party to pass our President’s job bill and it will be even better news.
While you are at it, tell them to pass the middle class tax cut too your nominee said he wanted but will not tell his party to vote on it.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 5th, 2012
10:59 am
I wish your father had been snipped before he had you so we would not have to hear your mindless drivel.
Such negative thoughts from scott. tick…tick….tick
luangtom
October 5th, 2012
11:00 am
Of course the numbers are good after Obama’s performance in the debate, why wouldn’t they be? I still would like to see these numbers reflect the true position of unemployment. What of the thousands that are not even counted in these figures? What of those that are no longer eligible for benefits, what of those that have stopped applying or even looking for jobs? Mainstream media and the Democrats were certainly not happy with the first debate. We can look forward to seeing skewed reports and skewed polls all the way up to the November elections. Watcht out for what we are fed right before the vote takes place. The media darling and savior needs a boost.
DownInAlbany
October 5th, 2012
11:00 am
Nope, those who could spend the time to look at the math and the numbers from BLS
Oh, do you mean the same BLS that reported, “…the number of people with part-time jobs wanting full-time…rose 7.5% to 8.6 million…” Or maybe the BLS that reports, “…government added 63,000 jobs in July and August…”???
So, why don’t you stick YOUR fingers in YOUR ears while the entire report from the BLS is taken into consideration?
Thanks, Adam @ 10:50. You proved my point. You’re a typical Bookmanite. When you have no answer for the obvious question, you resort to name-calling. The facts be damned!
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
11:01 am
Botch @ 10:57
Sagegirl
October 5th, 2012
11:01 am
Name: Willard Mitt Romney
Born: March 12, 1947
Age: 65
So do we know if Mittens draws social security since he’s ‘entitled’ to it?
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
11:01 am
Redneck, love the Golf Tee Index.
Funny though, I figured you to be more of the miniature golf type.
getalife
October 5th, 2012
11:01 am
Heck scott, just tell your party to stop the failed obstruction and vote on all bills that will help our economy. Okay?
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
11:02 am
So, why don’t you stick YOUR fingers in YOUR ears while the entire report from the BLS is taken into consideration?
So why don’t YOU show us where either the math to get the rate or the numbers that created the rate are wrong instead of just complaining that you don’t understand them?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
11:02 am
What debate?
hehehe
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
11:03 am
luangtom – “We can look forward to seeing skewed reports and skewed polls all the way up to the November elections.”
Really? so if the numbers trend in Romneys favor you aren’t going to believe them either?
Two Parties, One Con
October 5th, 2012
11:05 am
Mary Elizabeth, if you want to argue that Obama is preferable to Romney, go ahead. That’s certainly correct. But don’t make the mistake of assuming on that basis that Obama represents the best that we could have, as that is far from the truth.
getalife
October 5th, 2012
11:07 am
Rednecks play golf too.
I know because my Brother is a pretty good at golf .
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
11:07 am
Dang it… Butch…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
11:07 am
scott
October 5th, 2012
10:57 am
Granny Godzilla “IF the FIX were actually on…we’d have had the Republicans fixed years ago.
Snip Snip”
I wish your father had been snipped before he had you so we would not have to hear your mindless drivel.
.
.
.
Heck, he is a great catholic dad….there are 6 more just like me.
All married well…make that 14
plus 27 grandkids…make that 41
plus 6 great grandkids …make that 47
plus dad of course makes 48
I am so proud of him and our family….
alittlecommonsense
October 5th, 2012
11:08 am
Jay – “Would an increase of 3.9 million private-sector jobs over the last two years meet that test? Because that’s exactly what has happened.”
Ok, the 3.9 million number is arguable and of course you are using the stat that best suits your argument but let’s go with it for a second.
With an 800 BILLION dollar stimulus, that comes to just over $200,000 per job. Not much to brag about when you look at it that way.
Aquagirl
October 5th, 2012
11:08 am
what of those that have stopped applying or even looking for jobs?
Those people are called “discouraged workers” and yes, they’re counted.
From the BLS report…”Among the marginally attached, there were 802,000 discouraged workers in
September, a decline of 235,000 from a year earlier.”
You need a hanky?
DownInAlbany
October 5th, 2012
11:08 am
OK, ByteMe, just as soon as one of you people give a viable answer to the legitimate question of “what happened to the 250,000?” I don’t have an answer other than manipulation. Do you have a better one?
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
11:10 am
ALCS – “With an 800 BILLION dollar stimulus, that comes to just over $200,000 per job. Not much to brag about when you look at it that way”
ALCS – How much is that per job after you take out all the infrastructure that got built?
Partisay
October 5th, 2012
11:11 am
scott
October 5th, 2012
10:54 am
“You are one of the people that just believes everything the media tells you and believes it 100%…”
Just wondering. Do you not believe FOX news also? Or is there an exception on that for you?
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
11:11 am
alittlecommonsense, did you cash your stimulus check?
stands for decibels
October 5th, 2012
11:11 am
With an 800 BILLION dollar stimulus, that comes to just over $200,000 per job.
This one again?
if you’re going to Go There, at least aim higher.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/05/31/new-stimulus-report-same-bogus-cost-per-job-ana/161470
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
11:12 am
luangtom
Can you show where the unemployment calculation formula has been changed since Jan 09?
I would agree that we have people underemployed or have fell of the “rolls” due to long term unemployment and of course unemployed folks looking for jobs.
With that said, has the calculation changed or do you just wish to cry because you would rather have seen lower number of folks hired and a higher employment rate?
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
11:12 am
higher unemployment rate……….
Two Parties, One Con
October 5th, 2012
11:13 am
Shorter GOP: it’s outRAGEous that this president can cook the books on those jobs numbers!!!
It’s OUR GUY who should be doing that!!!!!
BW
October 5th, 2012
11:13 am
It’s too funny and yet sad to see conservative commentators accuse the admininstration cook the books…this election needs to be over yesterday simply because I’ve never seen this level of vitriol in a presidential campaign.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
11:13 am
alittlecommonsense – “With an 800 BILLION dollar stimulus, that comes to just over $200,000 per job. Not much to brag about when you look at it that way.”
True, I’m sure it was an enourmous cost saver when we were eliminating 750,000 jobs a month back in the good old days.
Mark in mid-town
October 5th, 2012
11:13 am
I usually don’t lend credence to the government having the ability to manipulate the monthly job numbers for political purposes. But how the heck does the unemployment rate drop 3/10 of a point in one month when quarterly GDP was recently revised from an anemic 1.7% to an abysmal 1,3%? I would like to think that the job market is improving relative to population, But I just don’t see that. There are arbitrary assumptions that go into calculating the monthly job numbers. I would love to know what those assumptions were and whether there was any ability to have them manipulated for political reasons. Nothing Obama and the Chicago thugs who run his campaign do would surprise me, but do they have the ability to influence this kind of a manipulation in the monthly job numbers? I’m skeptical they have such power, but a 7.8% unemployment rate does not reflect any reality that I see and the 3/10 % point drop in one month is just a tad too convenient if you ask me.,
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
11:15 am
The cons are stuck in a alien vortex today…
The job numbers are cooked…the job numbers are not good…
Funny.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
11:15 am
DowninAlbany – “I don’t have an answer other than manipulation.”
Okay, I’ll buy your answer. Now, who is it that manupiulated the numbers and where is your proof?
curious
October 5th, 2012
11:16 am
Both sides can analyze till the cows come home, but, in the end, each individual will make their independent decision on the state of the economy and their well-being.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
11:16 am
plus dad of course makes 48
and they all vote!?
GT
October 5th, 2012
11:16 am
Reminds me of that scene in Indiana Jones, where the aggressor lines up in front of Harrison Ford and pulls out a sword. The aggressor then begins to flip and spin the weapon with a smirk on his face like he is the butcher and Jones is the cow. Indiana looks bored at the whole production, but allows the man his space. Upon the finish of the show Indiana sighs a deep bore breath takes his German Lugar out and shoots the surprise showman between the eyes. I think we have just seen that in real life.
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
11:17 am
Probably already posted earlier today:
Mitt Romney: ‘47 Percent’ Comments Were ‘Just Completely Wrong’
Groveling for those votes after slapping those folks in the face…………
paulo977
October 5th, 2012
11:17 am
ay
October 5th, 2012
9:27 am
We now have the lowest unemployment rate in 44 months
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This folks is the, hard to take for GOPS, shining FACT!!!
if YOU are not registered to vote by Tuesday, October 9, YOU will NOT get a chance to vote on November 6
October 5th, 2012
11:18 am
Stand up and be counted. If you have any problems registering or voting call 1.866.MYVOTE1.
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
11:19 am
DowninAlbany – “I don’t have an answer other than manipulation.”
“And I’n SURE not gonna do my own research – someone else do it for me. Or admit it was aliens! I meam, manipulation!”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 5th, 2012
11:19 am
Two points:
1) Either …………. (as I heard earlier) the Obama Administration has “cooked the books” on these stats (Chicago style).
2) Or ………….. some in the business world are sensing that Obama will be defeated and have decided to RISK an early start on their business investments.
Erwin's cat
October 5th, 2012
11:19 am
how convenient is right
Mark in mid-town
October 5th, 2012
11:19 am
Show a trend of job growth in well paid jobs over a period of several months and it is meaningful.”
Would an increase of 3.9 million private-sector jobs over the last two years meet that test? Because that’s exactly what has happened.
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So I guess this would mean that median income has substantially risen during this time, right Jay?
Ahem
October 5th, 2012
11:20 am
Jay
October 5th, 2012
9:31 am
Just took a look out of curiosity: In Ohio, the jobless rate has fallen from 10.6 to 7.2 percent in the last three years.
Ohio, did someone tout Ohio?
Ohio poll: Romney leads 51-48 among those certain to vote
The first post-presidential debate poll in critical Ohio shows that Mitt Romney blunted President Obama’s momentum with his winning performance and is now leading the president among Ohioans who say that they are “certain” to vote.
Overall, the race is deadlocked with Obama over Romney 50 percent to 49 percent, according to the poll taken Thursday night.
But among the stunning 92 percent of all voters in the state who say that they are certain to go to the polls on Election Day, Romney leads 51 percent to 48 percent. And among the 83 percent who have already made up their minds how they will vote, Romney is ahead 52 percent to 48 percent.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/ohio-poll-romney-leads-51-48-among-those-certain-to-
vote/article/2509947#.UG7vQU3A-gR
Virginia is coming around to Romney, too.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 5th, 2012
11:20 am
Since everything in the last 4 years was Bush’s fault, should it not be fair to say, the unemployment rate drop is Bush’s achievement? Be nice people, remember an eye for an eye!
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
11:21 am
But how the heck does the unemployment rate drop 3/10 of a point in one month when quarterly GDP was recently revised from an anemic 1.7% to an abysmal 1,3%?
Because the two are not related to each other.
Dirty Dawg
October 5th, 2012
11:21 am
Guess the BLS statistics can’t report how much of these new jobs are due to businesses that had been sitting on all that cash in the belief that holding the economy back would mean Obama would be a one-termer, and deciding that Romney was ‘dead in the water’ so they might as well get on with business.
alex
October 5th, 2012
11:22 am
@jay, did you seriously write”seriously folks” to make a DEFINITIVE point; I just love that, as if YOU are not biased… Goodness. As for Jack Welch :let’s see who has numbers experience, business experience, hmmm, Jay-seriously, let’s get serious….
as for Ohio, It has BEEN WIDELY reported that Ohio’s numbers are good and yes Romney’s guys do not like the republican govenor for that, go figure. So, Jay you just happened to crunch Ohio’s number’s , either you’re poorly informed or duplicious, take your pick, seriously….
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
11:23 am
0311 – “1) Either …………. (as I heard earlier) the Obama Administration has “cooked the books” on these stats (Chicago style).”
Yes, I’m sure that’s exactly what happened. Obama woke up yesterday, made a call to the DOL and the BLS and instructed them to “cook the books”.
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
11:23 am
2) Or ………….. some in the business world are sensing that Obama will be defeated and have decided to RISK an early start on their business investments.
I was wondering how long it would take for that thread to emerge from the spin machine.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
11:24 am
“Guess the BLS statistics can’t report how much of these new jobs are due to businesses that had been sitting on all that cash in the belief that holding the economy back would mean Obama would be a one-termer, and deciding that Romney was ‘dead in the water’ so they might as well get on with business.”
that would be one heckuva excel cell
Ahem
October 5th, 2012
11:24 am
the guy in the back said, “yeah, thank god I had my brakes on the whole way of we would have slid all the way back down”
That is a funny line, I don’t care what your politics are.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
11:24 am
“As for Jack Welch :let’s see who has numbers experience, business experience, hmmm, Jay-seriously, let’s get serious….”
well, if anyone would know about cooking the books, he would
Mark in mid-town
October 5th, 2012
11:25 am
Jay Bookman writes: “We now have the lowest unemployment rate in 44 months”
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Technically we might. But in reality we don’t. When adjusting for the same work-force participation rate as 44 months ago, the current unemployment rate is really still in the 11% range. Anyway, we do not have a good job market. If we didn’t we’d see GDP growing at far greater rate that’s it’s been. At best we’re treading water relative to population growth.
Appleseed
October 5th, 2012
11:26 am
Butch I think I would like to live in N Ga with high unemployment,than NY NY with 4%.
Doggone/GA
October 5th, 2012
11:26 am
“Upon the finish of the show Indiana sighs a deep bore breath takes his German Lugar out and shoots the surprise showman between the eyes”
Wrong. Watch it again. He shoots the sword out of his hand.
Get Real
October 5th, 2012
11:26 am
Sounds good Jay, but what is the real jobless rate? 15-17%
Mary Elizabeth
October 5th, 2012
11:26 am
Two Parties, I must go, but I urge you to think very carefully about which candidate has placed more emphasis on helping middle and working class citizens.
Even though Obama gave a poor performance in the debates, his closing statement of care and concern for middle/working class people rang true with authenticity, just as Romney’s concern for average people – voiced in the debate – did not resonate with much passion. However, Romney’s 47% remark caught earlier on tape, resonated with much passion against those who feel “entitled.” Moreover, Romney’s and Ryan’s Voucher Medicare Plan for the elderly speaks loudly of his “compassion” for future 80 year olds who would have to negotiate with profit-based insurance companies -when all they have to fall back onto in their old age are vouchers.
“Every man and woman for him/herself.” Government has no role in medical care or even in education, according to the perceptions of those who see the president more as a business CEO rather than as a public servant to the people. Compare Romney and Obama in their visions with those of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and FDR who perceived of themselves as servants to the people and the people’s best interests, while they also sustained the underlying foundation of this nation that “all are created equal.”
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
11:26 am
‘either you’re poorly informed or duplicious, ‘
I say ‘duplicious…’ Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
11:27 am
Alex – ” So, Jay you just happened to crunch Ohio’s number’s , either you’re poorly informed or duplicious, take your pick, seriously….”
Yeah, I believe you, Alex, because of all thay PROOF you’ve offered: “It has BEEN WIDELY reported”
That’s all you’ve got, right? What an idjit.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
11:27 am
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
11:16 am
plus dad of course makes 48
and they all vote!?
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all but 10 at the moment….
DownInAlbany
October 5th, 2012
11:28 am
Do the math! 456,000 (number needed to drop unemployment numbers by .03%) minus 200,000 (includes the previously “uncounted” numbers from previous months) = 256,000 (I was rounding with my “250,000″ number). Yes, I stick to my irrational, stupid (you think I am, I think you are, we’re even, ok?) assumption of “manipulation.” Offer a better explanation! Is that too much to ask?
Verbal Kint
October 5th, 2012
11:28 am
“So far this year, overall job growth has averaged 143,000 a month, compared with 153,000 in 2011.”
If this recovery is going so well, shouldn’t that number be up instead of down compared to 2011?
Anyone care to explain?
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
11:29 am
Get Real – “Sounds good Jay, but what is the real jobless rate? 15-17%.
Okay, so we add an additional 10% to the UE number. Were you this upset under the Bush Adminstration when the “real” jobless rate was 15-16%, not the 5-6% that Bush claimed?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
11:29 am
USinUK
To you have a recipe for cooked books?
Do we poach or saute?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
11:30 am
“duplicious”
duplicious? like deliciously duplicitous?
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
11:30 am
‘Do we poach or saute?’
Batter that mother up and deep fry ‘em!!
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
11:31 am
Scout
You would have put Rod Serling out of work. You could have come up with some real doozies had you been the writer and producer of the “Twilight Zone”.
I could just imagine the “conspiracies” you would have to tell if it was an in person conversation as opposed to the blog.
Everything is not a “conspiracy” if it doesn’t fit your view point. That fact might stink a little, but it is the truth.
Heck could probably revamp that show “Outer Limits” as well.
Jordan77
October 5th, 2012
11:31 am
Jay,
As you have said many times, we need to raise revenue and slash spending. The Romney “diet” er plan is “Eat all the ice cream and pizza you want and still lose weight”. I am big common sense type guy and this is an insult to anyone with a brain. He is a liar period!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
11:31 am
Granny – I believe they are braised … cooked low and slow in bollocks and poppycock
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
11:31 am
Since everything in the last 4 years was Bush’s fault, should it not be fair to say, the unemployment rate drop is Bush’s achievement?
Yeah, and had he actually done something to encourage DOMESTIC job growth, Bush probably could have had unemployment below 6% by now.
Regnad Kcin
October 5th, 2012
11:31 am
“Batter that mother up and deep fry ‘em!!”
UMMMMMM! Wrapped in bacon!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
11:32 am
“Anyone care to explain?”
because, in 2011, you had the census effect
any other questions, numpty?
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
11:32 am
‘UMMMMMM! Wrapped in bacon!’
Gravy and mashed taters too?
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
11:32 am
Cons and their conspiracy theories.
How convenient… that they suddenly have conspiracy theories! 
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
11:32 am
Scout
Jokes aside, could you explain how your opinions on the employment numbers coincide with “Supply & Demand”?
You do believe in “supply and demand”, right?
TBone
October 5th, 2012
11:33 am
Since this administrative regime came into power, I can’t recall a time when I thought they could tell the truth about anything and now we are to believe this artificial number for unemployment. This is simply an act of desparation by the regime to stay in the lap of tax payer provided luxury. They make us sick.
They BOTH suck
October 5th, 2012
11:34 am
might sting…………….. but probably stink as well
hahahahah
My bad
Get Real
October 5th, 2012
11:34 am
Butch….the number of people that have dropped out of the job market over the last 4 years is unprecedented…..you can go back way before Bush and the numbers are no where close to what they are now….I try to live in the present not the past….
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
11:35 am
If this recovery is going so well, shouldn’t that number be up instead of down compared to 2011?
Nope. In 2011, there was still a wee bit of stimulus money being infused into the market. This year, it’s all private sector job creation, and we see how well the private sector creates jobs when left to do it on their own, don’t we?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 5th, 2012
11:36 am
Paul — “Dear author, Do you think we’re all stupid? To change the employment rate by that many basis points, we’d have to create nearly 800,000 jobs in one month. We created 114,000. S T U P I D. You all are stupid.”
You need to bear in mind that the several different numbers that go into the calculation *aren’t* static, and so you can’t necessarily draw meaningful conclusions about *other* figures just from one raw number.
Many of our own regulars will point to the unemployment rate under Bush and crow ’see, unemployment was LOW under Bush’ and will blissfully ignore the fact that the floor fell out from under the labor force — so as total employment fell, so did the size of the labor force — which meant that the fact tnat more and more Americans were out of work was masked by a misleading unemployment rate. It’s a simple statistical error, but it still gets repeated here even now.
“Look, I’m an independent, but you all shouldn’t allow your liberal views to allow you to be S T U P I D. Sheep – all of you.”
FWIW, you’d make your case more effectively by showing your math. Crowds don’t tend to respond well to the ‘eff you’ exhortation.
Soldier Mom
October 5th, 2012
11:36 am
To all of you who want to downplay the unemployment numbers getting better, look at it like a huge wound. This country was wounded by the previous administration. We were bleeding jobs before Obama took office, profusely bleeding. Now, you can’t take a magic wand and all of a sudden the bleeding stops. You have to get the bleeding to slow down, eventually it stops, and healing begins. This country has slowed down the bleeding, drastically. We still have more to do, but we are on the right course. Why can’t you be thrilled people are finding jobs again? Is it because it doesn’t fit into your argument? People are finding jobs and things are getting better – it is Friday –FNM is on the way – be happy! Geez, you sound like grumpy ole republicans!
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 5th, 2012
11:37 am
getalife – If you do not mind saying, what is your story. You are on these blogs so much, are you retired (like me) or what?
Brosephus™
October 5th, 2012
11:37 am
If this recovery is going so well, shouldn’t that number be up instead of down compared to 2011?
Consider the fact that, thanks to the GOP’s insistence on cutting the budget, there were less federal funds to dole out to those private sector companies that leech off taxpayers in order to “create” jobs too. Chalk it up to the oncoming austerity that many of y’all seem to think will cure everything.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
11:37 am
You guys are hilarious: “If you adjust for the angle of the dangle minus the cosine of the first derivative …”
I got an idea: Let’s use the very same basic unemployment rate that we’ve used for 50 or 60 years if not longer, the rate that has served as the unchallenged gold standard of such statistics for generations, right up until the moment that it began telling you something that you do not want to hear.
We’ve gone from the birthers to the jobbers.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
11:38 am
oh, and sheets.
Aquagirl
October 5th, 2012
11:39 am
I can’t recall a time when I thought they could tell the truth about anything and now we are to believe this artificial number for unemployment.
You arbitrarily decided they’re lying about everything so it’s no surprise they’re lying now.
The only surprise will be who wins the race in your brain…Bitter or Paranoid.
curious
October 5th, 2012
11:39 am
Redneck has it right.
Tax cuts for the rich; just think of the jobs created in the golf tee manufacturing industry.
Bill Orvis White
October 5th, 2012
11:42 am
Again, you naive liberals entirely miss the point. Let’s go back to the Bubba Clinton days when you libs rejoiced about Bubba’s supposed success. Two things happened. Bubba’s friend Bawney Fwank started a bogus housing program aimed getting deadbeats into houses. So, a bunch of lame jobs were created to hand out these bogus loans. Then, the dot-com sector exploded with new jobs that neither Bubba nor alGore created. Still, those two bozos claimed credit for those jobs. OK? Then a zillion McJobs were created thus inflated Bubba’s “success.” These are facts, folks. What happened? Well, Bubba created a recession and handed it over to the honorable Pres. Bush who tried to salvage Bubba’s mess by instituting two rightful tax cut$. Here’s where the problem comes: Bubba’s recession took down the dotcom sector known as DotBomb by that point and Bawney’s Bogus Adventure blew up on Pres. Bush’s watch. Pres. Bush tried to stop Bawney, but Bawney and Chris Dodd bullied the president while He rightfully had to engage in the rightful War on Terror. For you dumb naive secular McFly progressives out there: The rightful War on Terror was and still is, a war that lasts forever against our enemies known as jihadists. Do you fools know what jihad is all about? Jihad exists everywhere! That is why Pres. Bush rightfully invested in fighting jihadism because it threatens all of us! Get it? Good. Now, Pres. Bush created new job$ under tough circumstances created by Bubba Clinton, alGore, Bawney Fwank, Chris Dodd and many liberal useful idiots. It is now a known fact that Pres. Bush left the Oval Office in good condition. Then in January 2009, a Marxist installed-”president” started to pack on $16 trillion dollar$ in new ObamaDebt which is putting the once-free nation’s health care needs and bogus social programs on the ObamaCreditCard owned by Red China, thank you very much. Red China laughs at us while we pack on the debt, lose job$, let our public screwels crumble, throw on more regulation and taxe$. So, when a bogus job$ report comes out like this, YOU HAVE TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES! HERE’S THE ANSWER TO LIBRUL JAY’S BOGUS HEADLINE: FOLKS STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK. EMPLOYERS ARE NOT HIRING BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO PAY IN TAXE$ NOR KNOW THE AMOUNT OF REGULATORY PRESSURE THRUST UPON THEM BY THIS BOGUS PRESIDENT! NOW YOU KNOW THE ANSWER AND THAT IS WHY EVEN YOU LIBRULS NEED TO VOTE FOR COMMON SENSE TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC. VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY NOW AND OFTEN. LET’S END THIS TRAGIC NIGHTMARE AND GET TO WORK AT CLEANING UP OUR ONCE-FREE NATION! AMEN, BILL
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 5th, 2012
11:44 am
I guess what I’ve grown to understand is that libs will not believe cons, even if their hand is on a stack of bibles or vice-versa with the libs and cons and the bible. Probably does not really matter who wins, because if the Senate or House is controlled by the other party, I will be pleasantly surprised if anything gets passed. This talk by both candidates that they will reach out and work with the other party is pure BS! It aint happening!
Ray Tardinski
October 5th, 2012
11:46 am
Odumbo: “I gave middle class mericans $3600 in tax relief, you know so they could uh, ug buy a new car”.
Meidan income down over $4K, healthcare costs up over $2.5K and the Odumber touts his tax relief. This folks is the “arithmetic” skills of our president, he wants you to buy a car when you are net down on income. Now libs celebrate a 7.8 percent number that means nothing. Even if the number weren’t severely skewed with low paying part time jobs, real job creation is mediocre at best. Of course that is the lib way – celebrate mediocrity – both financial and mental! You won’t dup the majority of Americans in November.
Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)
October 5th, 2012
11:48 am
Jay@11:37 – Not nice my man, think I hear your Occupy buddies calling you!
Mark in mid-town
October 5th, 2012
11:52 am
Just heard a interesting theory on how he unemployment rate dropped a bizarre 3/10 % point in one month even thougth much of the other available econmic data does not support there being such a drop due to such data showing an actual decrease in much economic activity. The unemployment rate is bsed on a survey of the public. It relies on people telling the truth. What if some unemployed Democrats are now lying to the polsters taking the survey? I’m being told that there aren’t too many serious people who belieive the job market has improved at all te past month, much less a whopping 3/10 % point’s drop worth. Sosomethting else is at play that is manipulating the number.
Ray Tardinski
October 5th, 2012
11:54 am
One of my colleagues just showed me an article where someone actually counted the number of times out idiot in Chief said “uh” in the debate. 113 times, over 1.2 times per minute and he didn’t even talk half the time. It’s called Toastmasters – give it uh, a uh try, uh you idiot.
Two Parties, One Con
October 5th, 2012
11:58 am
Mary Elizabeth: “I must go, but I urge you to think very carefully about which candidate has placed more emphasis ”
I think you’re missing my point. I’m not talking about a comparison between these two candidates, which is sort of like comparing the Crips and Bloods. I’m not interested in who has shown “more emphasis” between the two of them. If they represent our only choices, then we are truly cooked indeed.
paulo977
October 5th, 2012
12:01 pm
Brosephus…..” Up until the 80’s, we had the means to manufacture our way out of a recession.”
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What happened in the 80’s to reverse such a good trend ……? !!!!!! Shhhh
paulo977
October 5th, 2012
12:03 pm
Mark in mid-town
October 5th, 2012
11:52 am !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_______________________________
Merlin …booooooooo
DownInAlbany
October 5th, 2012
12:35 pm
“birthers” and “jobbers” Good job, Jay! You continue to call names instead of addressing the issue. No wonder your followers do the same! Call me back when you find the 250,000! haha Talk about HI-larious! Go wash your face, you have a kool-aid mustache!
jill
October 5th, 2012
12:39 pm
really do people really believe Barrack Obama? He cut unemployment by cutting off tiers of emergency unemployment not by getting people jobs. It is artificial but the people voting for him are stupid.
obama unbeliever
October 5th, 2012
1:29 pm
The 1001 lies of the obama administration. Maybe he can tell us all again that islam is a religion of peace. It’s too bad there aren’t any disinterested third parties to validate these lies about unemployment or to verify the results of presidential elections. All I can say, is that I find the homeless population to be at an all time high. I’ve never seen so many homeless people in my life.
GT
October 5th, 2012
1:32 pm
Jill you believe voting for Romney’s lies are smart? Nobody is saying Romney won the debate on substance they are talking style points, and how Obama let Romney get away with lying when it was so obvious. Since Romney looks good lying which make you in your world look smart, you are voting for this liar. Interesting…
obama unbeliever
October 5th, 2012
1:42 pm
Let’s the obama regime controls the gathering of the statistics and the interpretation of the statistics so I’m supposed to believe them? Unemployment figures were ALREADY a lie because they don’t count those who are unemployed and not receiving unemployment. I’d imagine such a large increase in the amount of people employed would also affect the GDP, because the economy would only be producing more goods and services if more people were gainfully employed.
GT
October 5th, 2012
1:45 pm
obama unbeliever you are the carrier of lies. Just because you may believe a lie doesn’t give you a license to abuse the truth.
Now let me get this straight you think of the two candidates that Obama is the least locked in to help the homeless. You think people in charge of unemployment numbers produced by our government are liars and pollsters who have been conducting polls for decades are now part of the conspiracy your weak mind is surmising. And we wonder how a liar like Romney gets any traction in a country that use to be above average IQed. Why Obama Unbeliever you have solved our mystery, you have shown us how lies now trump the truth in national debates, we are a people of fools.
Mary Elizabeth
October 5th, 2012
1:51 pm
Two Parties, You write: “If they (Obama and Romney) represent our only choices, then we are truly cooked indeed.”
I disagree with you. In my perception, Obama has an elevated vision for our nation, and for the world which is rare. He had a “down” night he debated Romney. However, we must all recall when he was defending Obamacare in a room full of Republican legislatiors who were essentially against Obamacare. He won that particular “debate” which was about 20 to 25 to 1 – the 1 being Obama, and the 20 to 25 being the Republican legislators. How quickly the public forgets Obama’s innate skills of thinking on his feet, when he is well prepared.
However, even if Obama turns out not to be the excellent debater that Romney is, Obama’s vision remains exceptional, in my opinion – and his vision is exceptional not only in comparison with Romney’s, but in comparison with the vision of most leaders. One needs to have a keen sense of history, as well as one’s place within history’s unfolding as did MLK, Washington and Lincoln – which includes awareness of Providence’s hand in the unfolding of history, using humans to that end – to have the kind of vision that they had, and that Obama has. That quality, and that vision, are rare.
louisiana78611
October 5th, 2012
2:00 pm
The new employment figures released today just can’t be true! People I personally know, and I, were not counted for one! Our unemployment stopped many months ago. I know I will not get any benefits… BUT!… I should be counted If I reapply for unemployment benefits. I want anyone who really cares about this to let their friends know, who are still unemployed with out benefits, to reapply so they will be counted. I believe there are enough of us to cripple the system once this gets going. This is one effort that truly needs to go VIRAL all over the USA. please help spread this effort
Reality
October 5th, 2012
2:14 pm
Okay guys. I am asking that you think on this a minute. Try to first open your mind and ignore any previous notions that you might have (yes, this is hard to do)….
The voters of Georgia have already made up their mind. Georgia is solidly behind Romney. Not by a little, but by a lot.
Most of the rest of the Country (check out the map of electoral college voters) are not fond of Romney. Some states really don’t like him at all. Some of these States are “wealthy” States such as Connecticut and California. Some of these States have the most prestigious universities in them such as Massachusetts and New York.
Why is it that the Georgia voters have such a disconnect with these other States? Why is it that Georgia’s current claim to fame is “Honey Boo Boo Child” and favor Romney?
Think on it…..
Joe Hussein Mama
October 5th, 2012
2:39 pm
M. Mid-Town — “What if some unemployed Democrats are now lying to the polsters taking the survey?”
Sir, I believe you’ll find the tinfoil on Aisle 3.
GT
October 5th, 2012
2:56 pm
Reality I ask that question every time I come to this blog. If the state of Georgia could get pass itself it would have half its problems licked. It is very similar to the curse that has been unleashed on the country by the tea party. They are blocking legislation undermining the credit rating of this country, in some blind zombie match to destruction and then gaming us on not acknowledging their input on these matters.
The state of Georgia uneducated, eaten up with poverty and crime, obviously over their heads for governing, will not take a different course they seem to like the dead end street they travel. It is like someone seeing all around them people dying of cancer but their preacher telling them they are immune from it so they continue to smoke and die never connecting one with the other. You would think one year one day these people would look around and say this is not working.
Is it a wonder Obama looked like he had seen a ghost Wed. I don’t think Romney could have shocked him more if he had come out in drag and make up. And if he had the south would have ignored it and got behind him. Lies don’t bother these people and half the time they don’t even know the lies are lies. Romney has finished the primary and now is a liberal, none of that bothers the south. They are still smelling the barbeque of the primaries and believing they have won something.
Duper
October 5th, 2012
2:59 pm
This is the cincher for little Barry! The election is a done deal!!OSAMA IS DEAD & GMs ALIVE!!! The numbers have been manipulated
& now the rate is under 8% and this is good news. Didn’t see that one coming, NOT This is so predictable that the bozos in the media are stooping so low to lick Barry’s butt. And to think only 5 years ago, when unemployment was 5%, gas under $2/gallon these same apparatchiks wanted to lambast the prez simply because he had an “R” next to his name on ballot.
Adam
October 5th, 2012
3:27 pm
DownInAlbany: There is no debate on the issue you are speaking about. The BLS numbers are calculated the same as they always have been. The fact that all you want to do is act hurt that you’re being called names shows you truly have nothing of substance to contribute. Break out of that and maybe you won’t be called names, since you’re so hurt by that.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
October 5th, 2012
4:11 pm
Come on, Jay, this sham has been preordained since early this year. All they did was look at the calendar and ask themselves, “When will president kardashian need the most help?” And the easy answer was, “Right after the first debate.” You might as well say unemployment is at 1.5%. We all know the actual number, if you do not manipulate the denominator, is somewhere north of 12%. For minority teens, its around 50%, with similar horrendous numbers for other groups emperor nero was supposed to help. Please cease insulting our intelligence.
Donovan
October 5th, 2012
4:33 pm
After listening to the news today I am convince that these numbers are totally bogus and cooked. I resent the fact that this administration is so corrupt and full of reprehensible people. This campaign crap is out of the pages of Venezuela and Russia. Shame on you and screw the horse that all of you rode in on.
Is it any coincidence that the BLS is comprised of large Obama campaign donors? This is the way that things get done in corrupt Chicagoland. It’s in your face and so obvious that the Democrat Party has to stoop to this low class method of trying to steal the election any way they can.
This nation deserves better and we will remember on Nov. 6.
DownInAlbany
October 5th, 2012
4:45 pm
Adam, I know it’s late and you probably won’t see this, but, if you think my feelings are hurt, think again. My point is, “you people” (as Jay called me earlier) deflect, defend and then name-call. That’s basically all ‘ya got. And, you want to preach to me about “substance?” OoooooKkkkkk. It doesn’t hurt my feelings or make me angry. I’ve been asking the same question all day and you nor anyone else has a viable answer to…there are 250,000 “jobs” unaccounted for. What happened to them. The math still doesn’t work. Then answer the dadgum question. You expect competent people to believe this administration after the lies told about Libya and the death of our ambassador? Yeah, sure, I’ll gladly be a lemming…
T. Gaines
October 5th, 2012
5:58 pm
Up is down.
This week we’ve received snapshots of September job creation from payroll companies ADP and Intuit. ADP reported that the domestic economy added 162,000 jobs in September, which was slower than the 189,000 hired in August. By the way, that 189,000 figure was revised down from ADP’s initial estimate of 201,000.
By comparison, Intuit’s Small Business Index reading for September found only 40,000 jobs were created during the month, down from 50,000 in August. As with the ADP data, Intuit’s findings reinforce the notion of slower job creation in September.
Other readings on September job creation in the form of the Chicago Purchasing Mangers Index, the Empire Manufacturing Index, the Dallas Manufacturing Index, the Richmond ManufacturingIndex and the Institute for Supply Management’s Non-Manufacturing Survey results all turned in weak or slower job creation readings for the month.
Parsing the BLS report on the manufacturing front, September saw manufacturing employment edge down in September by 16,000. Taking a longer term perspective shows that manufacturing employment has been unchanged since April.
Changing perspectives from job creation to layoffs, the Challenger Gray Job Cuts Report found US-based employers announced plans to cut more jobs in September than in August. Employers have now announced 386,001 planned job cuts in 2012, marking one of the highest number of job cuts in the first nine months of the year since 1997.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2012/10/05/sizing-up-the-september-employment-report/
MITTENS
October 5th, 2012
6:15 pm
DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN….DAMN DAMN DAMN
MITTENS
October 5th, 2012
6:17 pm
WHY are “patriotic” republicansv mad that unemployment is going down?
wow
October 5th, 2012
6:18 pm
REPUBS ARE HAVING a hissy fit right now
wow
October 5th, 2012
6:19 pm
rich repubs are mad that folks are that AMERICANS are finding work…how heartless
i use to be a BIRTHER now i'm a JOBBER
October 5th, 2012
6:23 pm
my redneck imbred IQ says these job numbers are a lie…because they don’t say what i want them 2 say
MIKE
October 6th, 2012
8:58 am
AND YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS WHY THERE WERE NEW JOBS CREATED?
Stew Day
October 6th, 2012
10:45 am
If we are celebrating this report we are a sad nation who deserves this fool running it.
liberalefty
October 7th, 2012
1:13 am
stew day
another sad birther mad that the economy is getting better.