Romney’s ‘takeback’ of ‘47 percent’ diatribe unconvincing

Before we move on, I think it’s important to focus directly on Mitt Romney’s statement on Fox News last night in which he belatedly tried to retract his comments about the “47 percent.”

This is what he told Fox:

“Clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question and answer sessions, now and then you’re gonna say something that doesn’t come out right. In this case I said something that’s just completely wrong.”

Listening to Romney, you might be led to believe that his original “47 percent” comments were just a garbled misstatement taken out of context, like his own “I’m not concerned about the very poor” or Barack Obama’s “You didn’t build that.” But listen again to the original statement in the video above. Or, if you prefer, you can read it here:

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. And he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

That is not a statement ripped out of context. It is not Romney saying one thing but meaning another. In those remarks, Romney makes a sustained, passionate and seemingly heartfelt argument about what he truly believes. He is damn clear about it

But don’t take my word for it. Take Romney’s word for it. On the night that video was released, Romney appeared at a hastily called press conference. He was asked explicitly whether he was backing away from the statements, and he made it quite clear that he was not. While his remarks were “not elegantly stated,” he said, he doubled down on the basic message.

“It’s a message which I’m going to carry and continue to carry which is, look, the president’s approach is attractive to people who are not paying taxes because frankly my discussion about lowering taxes isn’t as attractive to them so I’m not likely to atrract them into my campaign.”

(As an aside, note Romney’s mention about his support for lowering taxes, a position that he explicitly denied in Wednesday’s debate in Denver.)

In the days that followed, Romney continued to defend his remarks and continued to press that argument. So did Paul Ryan, his running mate. That is what they truly believe; the passionate, dismissive statements about the 47 percent that Romney made to a roomful of people contributing $50,000 each to his campaign reflect his true value system.

His attempt to come out more than two weeks later and try to claim that his statements were “just completely wrong” and “didn’t come out right” is ludicrous and devoid of credibility.

Believe him at your peril.

– Jay Bookman

765 comments Add your comment

barking frog

October 5th, 2012
2:12 pm

Debate cheating with notes. The October surprise. Good
business practice, though.

Ben Shockley

October 5th, 2012
2:13 pm

I’m afraid I’m gonna have to call it a day, fellow bloggers. Headed down to the Braves game. You guys keep going. Maybe Obama can ride this 47% thing all the way to the White House. I doubt it, but after that pathetic debate performance, it’s clearly all he’s got.

getalife

October 5th, 2012
2:15 pm

The lying and cut and running from his previous positions was cheating.

They can’t win with the truth or fact checking.

mitt can’t even lead his failed party so there is no way he will lead our country.

A very weak candidate for President.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 5th, 2012
2:15 pm

Oops — ended a sentence with a preposition.

:oops:

DannyX

October 5th, 2012
2:16 pm

” Maybe Obama can ride this 47% thing all the way to the White House.”

I doubt it too, he’ll use the Sept jobs report for that.

Fred ™

October 5th, 2012
2:17 pm

Have fun at the game Ben. I’m thinking of going my self.

getalife

October 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

We got a better jobs report in October and the obl movie in November.

Fred ™

October 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

Ben Shockley

October 5th, 2012
2:13 pm

I’m afraid I’m gonna have to call it a day, fellow bloggers. Headed down to the Braves game.

Damn, who we gonna play with now?

Doggone/GA

October 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

“Unless he values the prize so much he’s willing to compartmentalize that part of his brain from his conscience”

And I think he’s already proven that by justifying the lies in his ads with “Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander”

southpaw

October 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

CBS Boston is running with the “cheatgate” story..

Hopefully it will prompt a response from the Romney campaign
————————————————————–
Look for the Romney campaign to refer to this, or something similar:
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/10/05/no-mitt-romney-did-not-bring-cheat-notes-to-the-debate

Doggone/GA

October 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

” He was just lying to his rich buddy donors to get their money. Corporate types”

and I think he committed a MUCH bigger sin…by saying what he REALLY believes

s.l.o.w. m.o.t.i.o.n.

October 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 5th, 2012
2:20 pm

White House website informs me that today is 10/5/2012. I think those numbers look a little fake

Heh, heh, heh.

Fred ™

October 5th, 2012
2:20 pm

s.l.o.w. m.o.t.i.o.n.

October 5th, 2012
2:18 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO9Vj49UuwA
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So what? Have YOU never been in a debate? Of COURSE one has notes.

Just damn. So much stuff to talk about and folks focus in on the totally ABSURD…….

Reality

October 5th, 2012
2:20 pm

Give me a break….. it was on FOX news. I believe absolutely NOTHING said on FOX news. And, this includes Romney’s words!

Fred ™

October 5th, 2012
2:22 pm

My apologies slowmo: I just read southpaw’s link and apparently for debates like this it is against the “rules” to bring notes. I had no idea……..

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 5th, 2012
2:22 pm

WOW, so now we have the following defenses for BO’s shellacking by Romney:

-The thin air in Denver
-Intentional rope-a-dope
-Romney used a cheat sheet.

JAY..stop the madness!!!

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 5th, 2012
2:22 pm

He needed the cheat sheet to keep his lies straight.

s.l.o.w. m.o.t.i.o.n.

October 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

The Commission on Presidential Debates, which runs the debate logistics, did not release its contract of rules to the public this year. And it has not responded to request for comment on the 2012 debate rules. But a copy of the 2004 contract of rules reads: “No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by any candidate.” The candidate can take notes, but only on a pad provided by commission staff.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

JAY,

At least he had the balls to apologize for dumb comments…its’ the right thing to do and if you are incinuating he truly thinks that he can offer nothing to 47% as suggested…your game is weak..

Marty Huggins'

October 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

Paul
October 5th, 2012
2:00 pm

And I don’t think it will alter how he has and will govern.
It didn’t with Obama

Fred ™

October 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

stevie ray…clowns and jokers

October 5th, 2012
2:22 pm

WOW, so now we have the following defenses for BO’s shellacking by Romney:
++++++++++++++++++++++

Only the completely delusional are offering up excuses. He just got a beat down. It happens. REAL men (and women of course) get back up after a beat down and lick their wounds and whip some ass the next time. We’ll see what President Obama does.

skydog

October 5th, 2012
2:24 pm

That was a hanky…….. in case “Nixon Lip” develops.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 5th, 2012
2:25 pm

Of COURSE one has notes.

At least he didn’t write them on the palm of his hand.

Fred ™

October 5th, 2012
2:25 pm

s.l.o.w. m.o.t.i.o.n.

October 5th, 2012
2:24 pm
+++++++++++++++

scroll up 2 minutes before that post :D

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 5th, 2012
2:25 pm

Second video shows Romney at the end of the debate wiping his mouth
with a white hankie…..

moonbat betty

October 5th, 2012
2:26 pm

Geez, what a pack of angry liberals.

Grasping at any straw to diffuse the debate.

Man up and move on…

Jm

October 5th, 2012
2:26 pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

s.l.o.w. m.o.t.i.o.n.

October 5th, 2012
2:27 pm

Fred ™

no problem.

harvey

October 5th, 2012
2:27 pm

Frankly, when i go to Walmart I have to believe even more than 47% are on the government teat. Why is it that you think this is a good thing?

Dunwoody Granny

October 5th, 2012
2:27 pm

I don’t care what anyone says, I think it’s darn clever of the GOP to come up with a new candidate a month after the nominating convention!

Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)

October 5th, 2012
2:28 pm

Are they going to allow Obama to use a teleprompter at the 2nd debate. Joe Biden(VP) should probably request one also? Thinking on your own two feet is not something everyone is good at.

moonbat betty

October 5th, 2012
2:28 pm

Ha Ha! Looks like Ben was able to beat back the pack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ZAWFKhZ-0

barking frog

October 5th, 2012
2:28 pm

Pointing out Romney’s lies
or cheating are not defenses
of Obama’s poor performance.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 5th, 2012
2:28 pm

Pretending the notes were a hanky…clever.

Jm

October 5th, 2012
2:28 pm

Liberals are a sad bunch

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 5th, 2012
2:29 pm

REALITY,

Tell me, how can you completely dismiss FOX as an alternate source of news? Is it just because they don’t say what you want to hear?

Be sure to separate the pundits from the actual news reported..Pundits include O’Reilly, Hannity (complete dope), John Gibson (the BIGED of the right), and Greta (no longer credible since has dopey Trump on almost every show)..

Do you believe everything you hear on MSNBC or AMERICA LEFT or the networks?

Mick

October 5th, 2012
2:30 pm

stevie

It’s funny because I watched the whole debate and I was not impressed with the format, the moderator and both candidates, nothing earth shaking…then I watched the post debate analysis and obama was getting crucified roundly by every pundit on msnbc, cnn, and whatever was left. Then I checked jay’s blog and he wrote a big thumbs down on the presidents performance. I was wondering what was I watching???

Fred ™

October 5th, 2012
2:30 pm

moonbat betty

October 5th, 2012
2:28 pm

Ha Ha! Looks like Ben was able to beat back the pack
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Really? I never remembered you to be delusional before……..

Paul

October 5th, 2012
2:30 pm

Marty Huggins’

I noted the other day: if anything, Romney’s should provide an added bit of comfort to Democrats in the event of a Romney victory.

On the other hand, they should cause the Republican faithful all sorts of angst and heartburn. Should. But so far, all they seem to be focused on is ‘will our guy beat Obama?” After the election it could very well be “waitadadgumminnit… who IS this guy?!!?”

Joe Hussein Mama

October 5th, 2012
2:30 pm

K’Chak — “Oops — ended a sentence with a preposition.”

A preposition is a bad thing to end a sentence with. :D

Jm

October 5th, 2012
2:30 pm

Talk about living in fantasy land

Liberals have left our solar system

moonbat betty

October 5th, 2012
2:31 pm

Maher, Colbert and Daily Show are the real sources of news in la la land.

curious

October 5th, 2012
2:31 pm

stevie ray…clowns and jokers

Glad you mentioned trump.

When do you think we’ll find out what his investigators found in Hawaii?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 5th, 2012
2:31 pm

FRED,

Agreed of course but you gotta admit the excuses are getting are becoming a story in and of themselves…thin air…cheating really?

When I sell deals and win, I always “outsold” the other guy…when I lose I always say the other guy “cheated”…Tee Hee

Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)

October 5th, 2012
2:32 pm

Fred@2:24 – Normally I do not agree with you but that was a good post. Honest and right on target. Personally, I like to see them yell at each other. maybe even a few punches. Somebody show a little aggression and anger.

s.l.o.w. m.o.t.i.o.n.

October 5th, 2012
2:32 pm

one down and two to go.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 5th, 2012
2:33 pm

CURIOUS,

The only individual in the US who can possibly compete with Trump in the arrogance department is Obama…I can offer no reason as to why anyone puts any remote creedence into anything this windbag can offer….It is fun to keep up with his hair and woman du jour..

moonbat betty

October 5th, 2012
2:33 pm

“Really? I never remembered you to be delusional before”

Fred, maybe it’s because I’ve been in the liberal fever swamps.

Maybe it’s time for an aspirin and a cold one.

curious

October 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

All of us democrats need to cheer up.

When Romney takes office he’ll adopt Obama’s position on every issue.

lovelyliz

October 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

Both Romney and President Obama were after the debate exactly who they were beforehand.

barking frog

October 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

Clearly, Romney was not
told that he could not
bring notes to the debate
or he would not have taken
them from his pocket on
camera.

Jm

October 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

After that debate performance of Obama’s, I think there is real credence to the argument that the TelePrompter is a crutch for Obama

The guy isn’t as smart, smooth, or swift a the liberals think

Though they will continue to live their dream

Mick

October 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

jm

You’re just upset that all of the air is leaking out of the romney baloon, that would be hot air…

jewcowboy

October 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

Howdy Paul,

“Good luck on getting Ben to have an honest discussion on his motivation behind that post”

I’ve feeling it would difficult to get this poster to have an honest discussion about anything.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 5th, 2012
2:34 pm

The presidents Rope a Dope strategy is working like a charm….Loser CONS….

jewcowboy

October 5th, 2012
2:36 pm

Howdy Fred ™,

“I think he’s just too shy to ask you out.”

How do I tell him that I’m just not into emotionally stunted infantile bigots?

Mick

October 5th, 2012
2:37 pm

jm

You are living proof that a person see’s what they want to see..get off the telepromper wagon it’s intellectual insulting that you or anyone else tries to promote that dead end…

barking frog

October 5th, 2012
2:38 pm

Kamchak
you can end a sentence
with a proposition and
many sentences begin with
a proposition but prepositions have their own
rules….

DannyX

October 5th, 2012
2:38 pm

“White House website informs me that today is 10/5/2012.”

Romney responded to that by insisting that it was actually 10/4/2012. Then he said he actually had the date on his website first. Then Romney admitted he was completely wrong about it being 10/4/2012. His supporters still insist that it really is 10/4/2012. Now Romney is saying he was right all along, it was 10/4/2012 then, but it’s 10/5/2012 now. He supporters accuse Obama of socializing the date.

moonbat betty

October 5th, 2012
2:38 pm

“The presidents Rope a Dope strategy is working like a charm….Loser CONS….”

Yeah, Obama is using the Pee Wee Herman strategy now -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hNIX7V21pU

lol!

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 5th, 2012
2:39 pm

Williebkind

October 5th, 2012
2:40 pm

I read that the numbers coming out of the Dept of Labor were tainted for Obama. Imagine that! Obama has never gone against the will of the people–obamacare!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 5th, 2012
2:41 pm

JCB — “How do I tell him that I’m just not into emotionally stunted infantile bigots?”

I think you should be gentle and let him down easy. Do it over dinner. And make him pay for it. :D

Micheal Ray Richardson

October 5th, 2012
2:42 pm

Today’s odds: Obama -355; Romney +305.

jewcowboy

October 5th, 2012
2:42 pm

“I think there is real credence to the argument that the TelePrompter is a crutch for Obama”

Obama stammers a bit when not using the teleprompter. Romney says what he really think when not using the teleprompter…ala 47%. One is slightly annoying, one is incredibly enlightening.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 5th, 2012
2:42 pm

I read that the numbers coming out of the Dept of Labor were tainted for Obama.

The Washington Redskins record is 2-2? YOU LIE, WASHINGTON DC!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 5th, 2012
2:43 pm

Williebkind — “I read that the numbers coming out of the Dept of Labor were tainted for Obama. Imagine that! Obama has never gone against the will of the people–obamacare!”

What else is in the current issue of Fiction Quarterly?

Williebkind

October 5th, 2012
2:44 pm

“Media figures have rushed to discredit the newly released jobs numbers, claiming that the drop in the unemployment rate to 7.8 percent has been manufactured to help President Obama’s reelection chances. In fact, experts dismiss the claims as unfounded conspiracy theories and agree that the numbers are accurate.”

LMAO-Media Matters! Now I know its a lie to manufacture numbers to help Obama.

Williebkind

October 5th, 2012
2:45 pm

“What else is in the current issue of Fiction Quarterly?”

Media Matters! Your daily dose of information.

fair and blanced

October 5th, 2012
2:45 pm

I guess the moral of the debate story is do not schedule a debate on your candidate’s anniversary. I am sure the last thing Obama wanted was to be up there with that carnival clown and all his shenanigans, prevaricating, dissembling, and magical underwear.

curious

October 5th, 2012
2:45 pm

Please name ONE issue Romney hasn’t changed his position on.

Somebody out there knows.

Aquagirl

October 5th, 2012
2:45 pm

I read that the numbers coming out of the Dept of Labor were tainted for Obama.

Ah, the good ‘ol”I read.” Wingnutty cons love the passive voice. A lotta catchers on their team, so to speak.

And what's wrong with Romney 47% statement???

October 5th, 2012
2:45 pm

Low-income voters, whose incomes are too low to pay income tax and who are most likely to qualify for rental assistance, food stamps and Medicaid, overwhelmingly voted for Obama in 2008. The president won 60 percent of voters with incomes between $30,000 and $15,000…Three out of four people who earned less than $15,000 picked Obama, according to exit polls.

Record 46 Million Americans Are on Food Stamps

But Barack Obama’s campaign in the 2008 … Obama won 96 percent of the black vote in an election that also saw unprecedented African American turnout.

Junior Samples

October 5th, 2012
2:46 pm

Obama does pretty good when he has a teleprompter…. not so good otherwise.

getalife

October 5th, 2012
2:46 pm

Make sure to watch the obl movie before you vote:)

Williebkind

October 5th, 2012
2:47 pm

“But there’s a contradiction here between the number of new jobs created and the number of people saying they found work. It was part-time work. That’s what it was.”

The progressive liberals can not help themselves, they lie steal and cheat.

Mick

October 5th, 2012
2:48 pm

fair

I guess when obama ok’d the date, he like most husbands didn’t make the connect that it was his anniversary or he knew it and that’s really his excuse – too lovey dovey to debate…

getalife

October 5th, 2012
2:48 pm

curious,

His tax plan.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 5th, 2012
2:48 pm

Rope A Dope A Con. LMAO

Williebkind

October 5th, 2012
2:49 pm

Aquagirl

October 5th, 2012
2:45 pm

Keep reading and you will see just how liberals work–oh my, you already know.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 5th, 2012
2:49 pm

Rope a Dope a Con . LMAO….4 more for 44…

Thomas

October 5th, 2012
2:49 pm

Romney’s ‘takeback’ of ‘47 percent’ diatribe unconvincing

Bookman- you would be unconvinced if Romney had said Starbucks brews a lot of coffee-

Are you seriously suggesting that if you gave out free newspapers or paid folks to take your newpaper the number of subscribers would not increase? Actually it is insulting to suggest that folks don’t want to work and become taxpayers. This issue is similar to immigration- it is insulting to fine, educated, and hard working Mexicans that they have to flee their country to create a livelihood. Why are Americans chastised for this and the President of Mexico gets to drink a cold one in the WH Rose Garden.

jewcowboy

October 5th, 2012
2:49 pm

Joe Hussein Mama,

“Do it over dinner. And make him pay for it.”

It wouldn’t be worth torture even if it included a filet with foie-gras and a bottle of 2005 Jarvis Cabernet Franc at KRS.

Mick

October 5th, 2012
2:50 pm

willi

Ole w was doing the same kinda stuff with his job creation numbers such as the increase in burger flippers being touted as high paying new jobs, I don’t think so.

Fred ™

October 5th, 2012
2:50 pm

Moonbat Betty: Have a couple of cold ones and get ready for Friday Night Music. Here’s one I think you’ll like to start you out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kytej72YH20

Jm

October 5th, 2012
2:50 pm

Curious 2.45 the deficit

getalife

October 5th, 2012
2:51 pm

mitt will be to the left of President Obama by election time.

bullwinkle

October 5th, 2012
2:51 pm

That hideous old gasbag Jack Welch got the tinfoil brigade all worked up with a tweet alleging the jobs numbers were cooked, and those plutocrat suck-ups on squawk box and the Romney PR team over at Fox took it from there…..

Williebkind

October 5th, 2012
2:51 pm

“VARNEY: That’s where some of the mistrust comes in. Oh, how convenient that the rate drops below 8 percent for the first time in 43 months, 5 weeks before an election. That’s why there’s some mistrust that these numbers, along with the contradiction between 873 thousand people found work, only 114 thousand new jobs. Mistrust of this report. [Fox News, America's Newsroom, 10/5/12]”

How convenient! Now it is up to the biased media to promote this lie. And they will!

Doggone/GA

October 5th, 2012
2:51 pm

“When Romney takes office he’ll adopt Obama’s position on every issue”

Sure seems that way, doesn’t it? All we have to do is give him a Democratic Congress (both houses) to work with!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 5th, 2012
2:52 pm

Williebkind — “Media Matters! Your daily dose of information.”

If you’ve got some sort of substantive criticism of the numbers, I’m all ears.

OTOH, if all you’ve got is ZOMGGGGGG CONSPIRACY THEORY, then I’m not interested.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 5th, 2012
2:52 pm

ITSALLBUSHSFAULT

I thought the rope a dope stategy would not be unveiled until the next debate…whatever he says between now and then is simply more BS…do you really think he intentially looked like a stammering amateur…?

CRURIOUS

Romney hasn’t yet changed his hair color or the belief he will get himself his own planet

barking frog

October 5th, 2012
2:53 pm

“Barack Obama’s
campaign in the 2008 …
Obama won 96 percent of
the black vote in an
election that also saw
unprecedented African
American turnout.”
………
The mystery is why the 4%
did not vote for the first
African American candidate
for POTUS.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 5th, 2012
2:53 pm

DOGGONE,

I think the only way we have a remote chance of getting anything done in DC is if we have President one party and congress the other…

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 5th, 2012
2:53 pm

Robme’s base got rope a doped by him..lol…the irony , please stop…

getalife

October 5th, 2012
2:53 pm

One month and one day left.

My bad curious, I thought you wrote has.

Mick

October 5th, 2012
2:53 pm

jm @ 2:50

Yeah right, if you believed everything romney spouted he would do the other night then the deficit was blown up like a pregnant blimp…that is of course with the exception of willards bold hit on big bird and pbs…

Williebkind

October 5th, 2012
2:54 pm

“jewcowboy

October 5th, 2012
2:49 pm
Joe Hussein Mama,

“Do it over dinner. And make him pay for it.”

It wouldn’t be worth torture even if it included a filet with foie-gras and a bottle of 2005 Jarvis Cabernet Franc at KRS.”

I got ill reading this!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 5th, 2012
2:55 pm

JCB — “It wouldn’t be worth torture even if it included a filet with foie-gras and a bottle of 2005 Jarvis Cabernet Franc at KRS.”

Are you sure you couldn’t get the maitre d’ to seat you two separately? Like you in the dining room and him in the parking lot?