Romney said he won’t cut education; Romney lied
UPDATE: In an extension of his attempt at re-invention, Mitt Romney is now proclaiming his “47 percent” comments as “just completely wrong.” That is a 180-degree reversal of his position on the night that infamous videotape was revealed, in which Romney said in a press conference that the statement was “not elegantly stated” but essentially correct.
In effect, Romney is acknowledging that a conservative Republican — conservative by today’s definition — cannot be elected president because the American people reject that mindset and the policies that go with it, so he is ditching that persona and once again attempting to reinvent himself on the fly.
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In Wednesday’s “Debacle in Denver,” I was struck by one telling exchange between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney regarding education. It began with this statement from Obama:
“So when Governor Romney indicates that he wants to cut taxes and potentially benefit folks like me and him, and to pay for it, we’re having to initiate significant cuts in federal support for education, that makes a difference.
You know, his running mate, Congressman Ryan, put forward a budget that reflects many of the principles that Governor Romney’s talked about. And it wasn’t very detailed. This seems to be a trend. But — but what it did do is to — if you extrapolated how much money we’re talking about, you’d look at cutting the education budget by up to 20 percent. “
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To which Romney later responded:
“Mr. President, you’re entitled, as the president, to your own airplane and to your own house, but not to your own facts — (laughter) — all right? I’m — I’m not going to cut education funding. I don’t have any plan to cut education funding and grants that go to people going to college. I’m planning on continuing to grow, so I’m not planning on making changes there.”
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That seemed a pretty stark difference: Obama claiming Romney will cut education by 20 percent; Romney claiming that he has no plans to cut education and in fact would continue to expand eduction spending. That exchange helped to set the tone of the evening and was one of the more specific areas in which the new, more moderate Romney — Romney 6.4 you might say — had emerged.
So I thought I’d start digging a little to get at the truth: Which man was correct. To start, I turned to Mitt Romney’s website, in which he outlines in broad detail his plans to cut federal spending. There we find two steps , published below in bold, that Romney promises to implement immediately upon taking office:
“– Send Congress a bill on Day One that cuts non-security discretionary spending by 5 percent across the board.” (Education is considered non-security discretionary spending. If we take him at his word, this is a Romney promise to immediately slash education spending across the board by 5 percent.)
– “Pass the House Republican Budget proposal, rolling back President Obama’s government expansion by capping non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels.” (Rolling back non-security discretionary spending to the level of five years earlier would require significant cuts in education. And rather than exempt education from such cuts, House Republicans appear to target that area, particularly “education funding and grants that go to people going to college,” as Romney put it.)
We can, if you wish, give Romney the benefit of the doubt here. For now, let’s leave open the possibility that he disagrees with the House Republicans on this one issue. What does he himself have to say about education spending in general and college tuition-assistance in particular?
Let’s turn here to the 34-page “white paper” on education put out by the Romney campaign, titled “A Chance for Every Child”. And what do we find?
“Unfortunately, like a man with a hammer that sees every problem as a nail, President Obama’s policy response to every education challenge has been more federal spending. Increased spending on our K-12 public schools has failed to produce results, and increased spending is already one of higher education’s greatest problems….
Unlike President Obama, Mitt Romney understands that more spending is the last thing our schools need.”
Hmmm. “… increased (federal) spending is already one of higher education’s greatest problems”?
That doesn’t sound like a man committed to preserving let alone expanding spending in that area, now does it? Now let’s bring the focus in tighter still, to those “grants that go to people going to college” that Romney specifically referenced. Those would be Pell grants, a government program for which I have a particular fondness.
Back in my own college days, I was a poor, lazy member of the “47 percent” working nights and weekends and summer jobs to put myself through school because my parents lacked the resources to contribute much. To finance my education, I leaned heavily on what were known at the time as Basic Educational Opportunity Grants. Without them, I’m not sure I would have made it.
Today, most Pell grants go to students with a family income of $30,000 or less, which isn’t much. These are people for whom upward mobility is a real struggle. The maximum annual grant amount of $5,550 isn’t much either, but for those who receive it, I know from personal experience that it is essential. And what does Romney have to say about the Pell grant program in his white paper?
“… as a result of the expanding entitlement mentality, the Pell Grant program — the foundation of the federal investment in student financial aid — is on unsure financial footing. To keep up with the program’s massive increases, the government has been forced to take steps such as eliminating subsidized loans for graduate students. A Romney Administration will refocus Pell Grant dollars on the students that need them most and place the program on a responsible long-term path that avoids future funding cliffs and last-minute funding patches.”
Somehow, linking a program to “the entitlement mentality” and suggesting it has been overfunded does not sound particularly promising, now does it? It’s a linkage the paper makes not once but twice, arguing elsewhere that “America is fast becoming a society where … a government loan is an entitlement.” That’s GOP-speak for placement on the endangered list.
Now, what about actual numbers? As a policy statement, the education white paper contains no specific data about education spending levels, but do we have other ways of estimating what Romney has in mind?
Yes, we do. In documents focusing on spending, Romney has set certain overall budget-cutting goals as well as goals for discretionary, non-defense spending, which again is the category that includes k-12 education as well as higher ed. Assuming that Medicare is exempted from future spending cuts, as Romney seemed to indicate in the debate, spending on discretionary, non-defense spending would have to be slashed to 1.3 percent of GDP by 2022 to meet his targets.
I used the word “slashed” above. Is that justified by the extent of the cuts proposed? Yes, it is justified and then some.
As the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities notes, “spending for this category has averaged 3.9 percent of GDP over the past 50 years and has never fallen below 3.2 percent of GDP during this period.” So cutting it to 1.3 percent of GDP, as promised by Romney, would require a deep, deep slash.
In fact, assuming that Medicare, Social Security and defense are exempt from cuts, spending in non-defense discretionary programs would have to be cut by 32 percent by 2016 and 53 percent by 2022 to meet his goals.
And yes, you could argue theoretically that education might made be exempt from such cuts under Romney. Theoretically, that could be true. However, when you consider that other programs in that category include veterans health care, air traffic controllers, the FBI, highway and transit construction etc., exempting education from 50 percent cuts just isn’t likely.
Budget discussions are supposedly all about the bottom line. And here’s the bottom line in this particular discussion:
You cannot simultaneously be the genial, friendly, moderate Mitt Romney on the stage in Denver who claims that he has no intention of cutting education spending, but in fact plans to increase it, while also demanding credit as the severely conservative Mitt Romney out to wean America of that “entitlement mentality” by slashing social spending, including education, to the bone.
It doesn’t — or shouldn’t — work like that.
– Jay Bookman
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follow the money
October 5th, 2012
5:56 am
it is all about the “Southern Strategy” against minorities…Georgia wants the state to vote on an Amendment to give the Governor control of the Charter Schools. Deal also is trying to appointment someone to take over the lottery that has no experience running a lottery. Follow the money and see how minorities will be shut out again. Be aware people and vote NO to the Charther School Amendment on November 6. Some things in the South “Never” changes and racism is rearing its ugly head…Are the Koch Brothers contributing the the advertisement of the Charter School Amendment? Follow the money people…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA
Ben
October 5th, 2012
5:57 am
Romney is nothing more than a car salesman.
stands for decibels - race traitor
October 5th, 2012
6:00 am
To be honest, I don’t know why anyone would bother listening past a bit that starts with something as douche-baggy as “you’re entitled to your own airplane…”
But thanks for the takedown, Jay.
stands for decibels - race traitor
October 5th, 2012
6:00 am
Sure hope Teh Slanties get fixed…
Jay
October 5th, 2012
6:04 am
Fixed, sfd
Jack
October 5th, 2012
6:09 am
Rather than find fault with Romney, put some effort into cancelling the future debates; it’s only going to get worse for Obama.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
6:10 am
I also see where Romney, who once described his “47 percent” comments as “not elegant” but still correct, is now proclaiming them “just completely wrong.”
You expect flip-flopping from this guy. But they’ve called in the complete-makeover crew this time.
Tom Middleton
October 5th, 2012
6:10 am
It’s the problem we’ve been having with the Romney campaign from the very beginning: At what point are we supposed to take what he’s saying seriously?
I mean, will the real Mitt Romney please stand up, or at least take that sh*t-eating grin off your face!
Tom Middleton
October 5th, 2012
6:14 am
Blah, there goes breakfast. LOL
Aquagirl
October 5th, 2012
6:15 am
Who cares about details? He kicked Jim Lehrer’s @$$. And that’s what America REALLY needs, a guy who will show those PBS pansies who’s boss.
UPGRAYEDD
October 5th, 2012
6:19 am
I think the entire metamorphosis of Romney before our very eyes was a carefully crafted debate strategy. In this format, it is literally impossible to contradict an opponent’s statements with documented evidence. In this way, it’s much like right wing talk radio….the talking head can spew unsubstantiated notions, the listeners cheer each distortion or lie, and no venue exists to refute the legitimacy of each point.
Romney can say whatever he wants, with impunity. Jay nailed it with the education lie. There were many, many others.
Some dude
October 5th, 2012
6:19 am
Good work, Jay!
Jay
October 5th, 2012
6:22 am
Basically, Romney is acknowledging that a conservative Republican cannot be elected because the American people reject that mindset and the policies that flow from them, so he is completely ditching that persona as fast as possible.
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October 5th, 2012
6:23 am
Good, good Friday morning to all y’all…
TOM,
“that sh*t-eating grin”…is just his “tell” that he thinks he’s got us fooled. As Bugs would say…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo
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October 5th, 2012
6:28 am
http://cheezburger.com/6615025152
UPGRAYEDD
October 5th, 2012
6:30 am
Jay, when will the right wingers realize that Romney is “ditching that persona” and what will their reaction be?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
6:35 am
Romney’s walking back the 47% comment??? my gawd, what will Scout and Thulsa and WillieB do now???
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
6:35 am
mmmmmmm … I kinda like being italicized … it’s slimming …
Jay
October 5th, 2012
6:36 am
UPGRAYEDD, nobody knows, including Romney.
I suspect that he will push this reinvention as far as his base will allow him, hoping that they — like he — understand it is the only way he can win. He’s taking a gamble, but a necessary gamble from his point of view.
Kolob man
October 5th, 2012
6:37 am
He should have the nick name:
The Mormon Chameleon
Tom Middleton
October 5th, 2012
6:38 am
Grover Norquist: “All we need is someone in the White House with enough working digits to hold a pen.”
Mitt Romney: Me, me, me, me , oh please let it be me!
A Simple Man
October 5th, 2012
6:38 am
It’s terrible. Right up there with “I’ll cut the deficit in half.” and “I barely knew Reverend Wright” and “I’ll close Gitmo” and the shovel ready job stuff and ….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
6:39 am
“The Mormon Chameleon”
ah, dammit … now, I’ve got
Mormon Mormon Mormon Mormon Mormon cham-eeeee-le-ooooon … you fliiiiip flooooooooop … you fliiip flooooooop …
in my head.
thanks for that.
malco
October 5th, 2012
6:39 am
Its like reading a blog of a family gathering. Goofy stuff. But its your stuff.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 5th, 2012
6:40 am
Off topic…sorta…but too funny!
http://cheezburger.com/6587118592
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
6:40 am
A simple man – yep, you’re right – an obstructionist congress IS a terrible thing.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
6:41 am
Normal – HA!
almost as good as this meme from yesterday http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27799898.jpg
joe fabitz
October 5th, 2012
6:43 am
4 years of Lies…and Failed Promises.
Hmmm — so this election should be about accountability?
Obama pledged to “cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office,”
– Deficit when he took office was $1.2 Trillion…CBO projected 2012 deficit is $1.25 Trillion
Obama pledged to “lift two million Americans from poverty”
– a record 46 million Americans are now living in poverty.
Obama predicted his stimulus bill would help push the unemployment rate to 5.6% by July 2012.
– 40+ months of unemployment above 8%
Granny Godzilla
October 5th, 2012
6:43 am
He lied.
Mitt happens.
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AliVonGoldberg
October 5th, 2012
6:45 am
There should be no surprise about Barack Obama. What we saw the otherr night night was a Barack Obama as he really is. It was not Jim Lehrer’s fault, it was not that Obama was tired or ill or some other excuse. He disrespected his supporters, his campaign team, and the American people by not digging in and preparing for the debate. He demonstrated he is lazy and aloof . He is that and nothing more. He will fare no better in the upcoming debates.
A Simple Man
October 5th, 2012
6:48 am
US in UK – Obstructionist congress?? Is that what you call Pelosi and Reed the first two years when they had total control of the government? They could have passed a “Drink only Vodka on Tuesday” law if they wanted. That would have been more productive by the way.
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BBro
October 5th, 2012
6:48 am
What is it with you media people? You avoid everything there is about the way the U.S. is crumbling at the hands of Obama and his administration and you pluck out a bigbird feather. Just so the readers know Romney was the governor of Massachusetts, where the schools are “ranked number one of all 50 states
It seems as if the media’s on the Obama payroll as well with all this bogus BS!
weetamoe
October 5th, 2012
6:49 am
Journolist was late in sending you the script this morning. Obama was out there yesterday like a cowardly bully who runs back to his gang to taunt and throw rocks at the guy who won the argument.
Madmax
October 5th, 2012
6:49 am
And you cannot be the friendly cool hip guy who gives everyone something. tells contractors to not follow the law and tell folks they are about to be laid off (and by the way don’t worry about it, the American taxpayer will pick up your legal fees), run 4 years of unprecedented deficits with increased spending levels and whose only solution (even though the math doesn’t work) is to raise taxes on the “perceived wealthy and expect people to believe you are serious about deficit reduction.
atlbizman
October 5th, 2012
6:50 am
The money you were given for college by the Federal government, was borrowed from the Chinese. Those that pay Federal Income tax, are still paying interest on it. Based on your research, Romney could cut education grants but only by 5%. Romney wants to restore a strong economy through smart Federal spending and that will help all Americans, especially those that need the most help.
Tom Middleton
October 5th, 2012
6:50 am
New jobs report coming out today. This one should show 31 straight months of economic growth, with 5 million plus new private-sector jobs. Hey, that’s better that Dubya did in all eight years. O-bama, O-bama, O-bama!!!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
6:50 am
Joe – wrong – the deficit isn’t halved, but it is down 3/4 according to the CBO
“At 7.3 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), this year’s deficit will be three-quarters as large as the deficit in 2009 when measured relative to the size of the economy. ”
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43539
Obama said the stimulus would lift 2 million out of poverty – and considering that non-farm payrolls have been positive for the last 2 years, I think that pledge still stands.
as for unemployment over 8%, why don’t you place the blame where it belongs – on the corporations sitting on record profits and not hiring.
Derek w
October 5th, 2012
6:50 am
So out of your candidates terrible performance and inability to defend his record you idiots are now all just attacking Romney saying he lied. Democratic talking points, and you accuse the conservatives of being sheep to fox news. Face it your mesiah is a fake, a joke and woefully incapable of doing anything other than pandering to your 47 percenters. Enjoy your last few weeks of Obama’s reign of redistribution. Guess you are all going to have to go out and find a job like the rest of us. lol.
weetamoe
October 5th, 2012
6:51 am
My favorite comment of the week so far comes from Reason’s Nick Gillespie, who calls Obama a *Dime store Ozymandias.*
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
6:51 am
“Obstructionist congress?? Is that what you call Pelosi and Reed the first two years when they had total control of the government? ”
bollocks – when you had the GOP that required a 2/3 majority vote on everything except approving the previous day’s journal, they needed a super majority, which they didn’t have.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
6:52 am
Was he lying then or is he lying now?
Yes.
Leon Francis
October 5th, 2012
6:52 am
can you even spell yellow journalism? putz!
bob
October 5th, 2012
6:52 am
Can Obama do for America’s public schools what he and his party have done to Chicago schools ? Lets hope not. Lets cut through the bull here, Obama’s old neighborhood schools are terrible and Chicago dems own that system. Rham sends his kids to privates and 60% of the teachers do as well. If being a community activist is a launchpad to the presidency shouldn’t we be able to look how the activist helped his schools ? And is he actually going to cut or are we talking about a DC cut. A DC cut is where spending goes up but some politician claims he cut spending because it went up slower under him. Chicago schools are not serving the lower class at all and dems cannot point fingers at repubs. Shouldn’t Chicago be an example of democrat party influenced excellence ? Why can’t Obama point out his success in Chicago by taking America a tour through some of it’s schools.
old man
October 5th, 2012
6:53 am
@Ben
Romney’s plan–to let bankers and hedge fund managers run amok until another bubble bursts, with the middle class holding the bag–was used by Bush. So, to be precise, Romney is nothing but a USED car salesman.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
6:53 am
So Leon, you see a lengthy, exhaustive and well-documented analysis of Romney’s education policy as “yellow journalism”?
Would you care to take issue with any portion of it? Challenge the facts? Challenge the analysis?
No, I didn’t think so.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
6:56 am
Derek, I’ll pose the same challenge to you. If you think my analysis is wrong, show us how and where.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
6:56 am
“Can Obama do for America’s public schools what he and his party have done to Chicago schools ?”
Obama controlled Chicago schools??
who knew!
A Simple Man
October 5th, 2012
6:58 am
USinUK Really? If that were true then the health care bill would NEVER have passed. He did what he wanted to do. Also, the deficit is down 3/4 or 75%? Did that happen overnight?
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
6:58 am
My fav was, ‘I’m gonna cut taxes, but the amount owed is gonna be the same.’
eddy
October 5th, 2012
7:00 am
And of course our supreme leader, Zippy, never lies in his speeches and campaign ads. Only pearls of wisdom flow across his golden tongue!!!! Keep spinning Jay. You might have a career at MSNBC or Current TV….remember, it is the altitude’s fault that Obama’s brain cells failed to fire!
A Simple Man
October 5th, 2012
7:01 am
In my simple way I find it fascinating that some people are “upset” over what MIGHT be a lie (yet to be seen) by Romney, but totally excuse the one’s by Obama.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz said when confronted about a lie Obama’s ad said regarding Romney, “It doesn’t matter.”
the cat
October 5th, 2012
7:01 am
I like feisty Jay! Keep it up.
Bud Wiser
October 5th, 2012
7:02 am
Oh yeah, throw money at the DOE, it has worked so very well in the past.
What has US education slipped to in world rankings? 17 overall? It was #1 before Carter came up with his DOE.
You dems always think throwing money at problems will solve them; well, how’s it working for you so far?
Solyndra? LBJ’s ‘Great Society’? General Motors? (requiring it is estimated another $22 billion to prop up the union’s pensions even further) Another stimulus anyone? Banks too big to fail funded so dozens of smaller ones around them can fail instead?
Obama’s staring down during the ‘debate’ was at least a good direction; he was looking at where his future is going.
Oh, and the “Romney lies” crap from the media stooges, fed no doubt from the notepads of pmsnbc and mediamatters and mother jones? This pathetic attempt is sickly laughable, and I don’t mean cough wheeze sick or funny haha laughable. It is the bleating of the media stooge-dom trying to defend that pathetic candidate that all America saw without his teleprompter and media-fitted insulated criticism-proof condom where they have kept him for the last 4 years.
Madmax
October 5th, 2012
7:02 am
You can’t claim that you will work for bi-partisan support and then tell the other side to get in the back of the bus. You can’t claim you will work for bi-partisan support and then pass Obamacare without any participation from the other side. You can’t claim transparency in government and swing back room deals that exempt certain segments of the population from Obamacare.. You can’t claim that you will have the most open administration ever and promise to allow 72 hours for review of all legislation and then not do it.
So who is the liar?
Mr. Snarky
October 5th, 2012
7:02 am
Wow! The dbag weasel is doing his thing. If you change positions enough, you’ll confuse your opponent. Quite the strategy.
Get Real
October 5th, 2012
7:06 am
Simple Man
You are spot on as there are only excuses from the left regarding the whoppers told by the snake oil salesman from Chicago
Fred ™
October 5th, 2012
7:06 am
Face it your mesiah is a fake, a joke and woefully incapable of doing anything other than pandering to your 47 percenters. Enjoy your last few weeks of Obama’s reign of redistribution
Thank you for your Hannity quotes. Have you any thoughts of your own to add?
Madmax
October 5th, 2012
7:07 am
Snarky – that’s not a nice thing to say about the President.
Get Real
October 5th, 2012
7:08 am
Bud Wiser
Go Bud Go…..
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
7:08 am
Lots of braggadocio, but not even one challenge to your analysis. Looks like it stands.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:09 am
” If that were true then the health care bill would NEVER have passed. He did what he wanted to do”
the health care bill passed only because the Dems gave the store away to appease the GOP
as far as the deficit reduction, sorry you don’t like the facts, but facts they are.
Tom Middleton
October 5th, 2012
7:09 am
A Simple Man
You know, sir, that if you were more like your candidate, you could be two simple men, possibly three!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:10 am
“You can’t claim you will work for bi-partisan support and then pass Obamacare without any participation from the other side.”
without any participation??? ffs, the Dems met EVERY GOP demand -
Jay
October 5th, 2012
7:10 am
“your 47 percenters …” Derek?
But, your own nominee says such talk is “just completely wrong.” He says YOU are “just completely wrong” to say such things.
old man
October 5th, 2012
7:13 am
I have listened over and over to Romney’s response to the criticism by Obama (quoting legions of economists) that his 20% tax cut will create a $5 trillion dollar deficit. Here is a hypothetical, but equally logical scenario:
OBAMA: Governor, you’re wearing a blue suit.
ROMNEY (wearing a blue suit): Mr. President, first of all, I promised to never wear a blue suit, Underline that. So no one can tell me that I’m wearing a blue suit.
I am also reminded of Joe Pesci in “My Cousin Vinny,” cross-examining the short order cook about his “magic grits.” Romney has cooked up some magic tax cuts, the kind where the deficit is not increased. Yeah, that’s the ticket, I think I’ll go out today and write some “magic checks,” the kind that never show up on my statement.
Lynn43
October 5th, 2012
7:14 am
Romney also said he would send Title I and IDEA money directly to parents in the form of vouchers. A voucher of this money will not pay for a private school for children with disabilities. How many parents of children with disabilities do you know who have the extra money laying around to make up the difference between the voucher and the cost of a private education. This either shows Mr. Romney’s bias for the few wealthy people who might have the extra money or that he just doesn’t understand the expense involved with a child with disabilities and the sacrifices parents have to make on a daily basis just to get by.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:14 am
“But, your own nominee says such talk is “just completely wrong.” He says YOU are “just completely wrong” to say such things”
or Romney is.
or he was.
or he might be again.
I dunno – his “deep political beliefs” are like a newborn’s diaps – changed frequently
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
7:15 am
I can’t wait to see how liberal Romney gets on the foreign policy and domestic issues debates. Will continue to abandon his base?
A Simple Man
October 5th, 2012
7:15 am
US in UK
I see that the deficit in 2008 was 459 Billion.
I see that the deficit in 2012 is over one trillion.
It’s been a while since my high school math, but how is that a cut of 75%?
Jay
October 5th, 2012
7:16 am
“I dunno – his “deep political beliefs” are like a newborn’s diaps – changed frequently”
and for the same reason.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:16 am
“I can’t wait to see how liberal Romney gets on the foreign policy and domestic issues debates. Will continue to abandon his base?”
In honor of Skyfall’s debut … I like my Etch-a-Sketch shaken … not stirred …
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:17 am
“It’s been a while since my high school math, but how is that a cut of 75%?”
Obama was president in 2008?
really??? want to reconsider your assessment?
OedipusTax
October 5th, 2012
7:17 am
‘”I will be held accountable. You know, I’ve got four years . . . A year from now, I think people are gonna see that we’re starting to make some progress, but there’s still gonna be some pain out there. If I don’t get this done in three years then there’s gonna be a one-term proposition.” Barack Obama, Today Show, Feb 2, 2009.
President Obama promised that if the stimulus was passed, unemployment would peak at only 8%. It peaked well over 10% nationwide, with many states, counties and metropolitan areas surpassing 26%.’
from wwww.imperfectparent.com
Unemployment was over 8% for 39 months from 1948-2008. Unemployment has been over 8% for the last 43 months of the Obama Presidency WITH the stimulus he was advocating on the Today Show when he made this promise.
If Jay Bookman was interested in the truth, and not spreading lies and his distortions, might he portray our President as betraying his word by running for a second term? Obama’s lies and failures are crippling our children’s future. Think Jay Bookman cares about the truth? He is just a liberal myrmidon and sycophant, a Cynthia Tucker wannabe mediocrity. But don’t for one minute think that Jay Bookman gives a damn about anyone else but himself, or the slightest damn about the truth.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 5th, 2012
7:17 am
If I could meet Romney face to face, I’d say…
http://cheezburger.com/6611099648
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:19 am
“President Obama promised that if the stimulus was passed, unemployment would peak at only 8%”
really?? show us the quote.
(here’s a hint: there isn’t one)
Peter
October 5th, 2012
7:23 am
He will out source education….. the best will be those who get sent to Dubai !
Romney said he won’t cut education; Romney lied – Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) | Best News Feed - Daily News Magazine
October 5th, 2012
7:23 am
[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:24 am
Normal –
Jm
October 5th, 2012
7:24 am
Obama reinventing himself for the next debate
Or trying anyway
Jay
October 5th, 2012
7:24 am
All of these people dredging up Obama quotes and fake quotes pretend to forget the economic collapse of late 2008 — the greatest collapse in some 80 years — that occurred after these statements and that utterly transformed the economic and budgetary outlook.
The American people, however, do not forget that fact. Their memories are not that short, and they recognize that what Obama faced upon taking office in 2009 was nothing like what the world looked like during the campaign.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
7:27 am
Another hack job post from jay, not factual in any way
Madmax
October 5th, 2012
7:28 am
USINK – Bi-partisan support includes involving the other side, not putting out a 20,000 page document and saying we incorporated your ideas, go find them. Bi-partisan support is working with people from the other side. Bi-partisan support means you send the bill back to congress for resolution on the differences. So stop buying the talking points and look at how this man operates. After watching him in the debates the other day, I now realize why he doesn’t hold many press conferences or work with the other side – he is just not very quick of mind.
mike
October 5th, 2012
7:28 am
I find it interesting that folks of left leaning persuasion are appalled by Romney’s “flip-flops”, but look right past the many flip flops that our current President has had.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
7:28 am
One can cut discretionary without cutting education
It’s called priorities
And Romney views education as a priority
Jay lied
Jay
October 5th, 2012
7:28 am
I think the reason that we’re not seeing any challenges to the analysis presented here — beyond the fact that it is too well-documented to challenge anyway — is that conservatives don’t know which way to turn on this.
Do they argue that Romney really WILL cut education, and thus prove that he and they are honest about cutting the budget? Or do they argue that Romney really WON’T cut education, and by doing so endorse the RINO position?
They’re trapped in a snare of their own setting.
Tom Middleton
October 5th, 2012
7:29 am
There it is, and thank you, Jay!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:29 am
oh, FFS, jm … blogger is ready when you are, if you think you can do any better.
Jay offers evidence to back up his claims – all you offer is a smelly, oily discharge.
stands for decibels
October 5th, 2012
7:30 am
So in summary, once again, American conservatives lie about who they’re going to screw over in hopes that people will be gullible enough to vote for them. Same verse, no different from the first.
The American people, however, do not forget that fact
Vast numbers of the American people, also, know what kind of dogwhistle is being blown when this d-bag decides to zing with “you’re entitled, as President, to your own airplane.”
And that is all I’ll say about that.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
7:30 am
Not one direct shred of evidence showing Romney would cut education spending
But jay says Romney lied
Whatever
indigo
October 5th, 2012
7:31 am
Romney has been flip-flopping, zig-zagging and doing 180’s since day one of this campaign. There seems to be an air of desperation around him in his zeal to become president. What could account for this?
An uncomfortable possibility suggests itself. Have the “prophets” of his Church told him God wants him to be president? Does he really believe this? If so, we need to run, not walk, away from him as fast as possible as the last thing we need is another man in the White House who believes “God wants me to be President”.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:31 am
“Bi-partisan support includes involving the other side, not putting out a 20,000 page document and saying we incorporated your ideas, go find them. Bi-partisan support is working with people from the other side. ”
since you obviously have no idea how Congress works, here’s a hint: republicans are members of the committees where these bills are marked up. They WERE involved every step of the way.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
7:31 am
“no challenges” yet to a 5am post
How silly
Liberal desperation
Aquagirl
October 5th, 2012
7:32 am
Not one direct shred of evidence showing Romney would cut education spending
Jm wins that point….all we have is Romney SAYING he’d cut education spending. And who would be dumb enough to believe his flipflop words?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:33 am
“And who would be dumb enough to believe his flipflop words?”
Jm, evidently.
Tom Middleton
October 5th, 2012
7:34 am
Aquagirl
LOLOLOL
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
7:36 am
It’s always fun to watch the party faithful debate which candidate is a better liar.
mike
October 5th, 2012
7:36 am
It is fun to watch the dynamic when a group becomes really scared of what might happen in the near future.
Paul
October 5th, 2012
7:37 am
I saw the headline and thought “great, a chance for Republicans to explain their candidate.” But, as happened when changes were noted on yesterday’s thread, there was no explanation. Just ignoring, deflection, denial and silence. There was the exchange last evening with Sinkwich which went pretty much “I didn’t hear that. Get your ears checked.” Followed by a quote from the debate transcript. Followed by Sinkwich going stone silent.
Now we have Bud Wiser with what has to be the classic response to Romney’s new policy of spending on education: “You dems always think throwing money at problems will solve them; well, how’s it working for you so far?”
The farfarRight hear Romney’s latest reinvention and the response is to lash out at failed Democratic policies and blame the media. It’s morbidly sad, really.
But I do have to observe: Team Romney gave advance notice of what they’d do. They took plenty of ridicule over the Etch-a-Sketch comment. So what happened? Out walks Romney on stage, shakes his Etch-a-Sketch (control yourself, USinUK…..) and a disbelieving Pres Obama looks at hims and thinks “he did it… he actually did it right during the debate…. and he thinks he can get away with it and the Republicans who would’ve thrown him out of the primaries in week one if he’d said that will let it go and cheer him on….”
In this instance, actions do speak louder than words.
Jeff H
October 5th, 2012
7:38 am
Jay – the real question is where is the President taking the country? Every single economic expert is clear – we are heading toward a financial cliff. Effective leaders do not blame others. They own the problem and fix it. The results are clearly in. Things have gotten worse under Presidnt Obama and he simply has not shown any signs that four more years will produce different results. Need I remind you that he himself said that he shouldn’t deserve a second-term if that we’re the case.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
7:39 am
Jay is a good soldier in the political war, fighting as hard as he can for democrats
But there’s no need to lie Jay
mike
October 5th, 2012
7:40 am
I will vote for the candidate who says we have to make cuts to survive because that is probably the fiscal reality. We need to face the truth.
Madmax
October 5th, 2012
7:40 am
Jay,
Are you saying that every penny of the $70 billion they spend is spent wisely? Are you saying there are no ineffectual programs? Are you saying that there is no fat in the Ed budget? Are you saying that everything the Ed does should be done at the Federal level? Are we getting a good return for that money ($220/person or $615/taxpayer).in light of the fact that we are now at $16,149,000,000,000 in debt as of this morning. Seems like we were just crossing into the 16 trillion level last month. reminds me of an old song, “where has all the money gone, Down bad programs every last dollar”
alex
October 5th, 2012
7:41 am
@jay, the 2nd post is a strong indication of your syncophathic supporters…
OK let’s parse the obama 4 million new jobs, yes but 5 million lost….
you pick one statement in 90 minute debate,
they BOTH make incorrect or misleading statements, NO kidding;”read my LIPS”
:..,YADA…
Jay, I’m glad you worked hard and took out grants for an education,so did I, the difference is I’m still working and you, you’re playing….and whining about it ,like most of your readers…
Aquagirl
October 5th, 2012
7:41 am
Jay – the real question is where is the President taking the country?
Of course that’s the real question. Because you, like everyone else, can’t answer Jay’s inquiry.
Thanks for playing!
Paul
October 5th, 2012
7:42 am
Oedipus Tax
“If Jay Bookman was interested in the truth, and not spreading lies and his distortions, might he portray our President as betraying his word by running for a second term?”
in regards to
” If I don’t get this done in three years then there’s gonna be a one-term proposition.”
Ummm…. you do know the difference between a ‘proposition’ and a ‘promise’, don’t you?
Because it reads like you do not.
Hint: they are not synonyms.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
7:43 am
Jeff H – “Things have gotten worse under Presidnt Obama and he simply has not shown any signs that four more years will produce different results.”
Uh oh, you better not look at this. Seeing the numbers could cause you to run screaming into the night. http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Ol' Timer
October 5th, 2012
7:43 am
During the debate I felt like I was watching a re-run of To Tell The Truth and expected the moderator to say at the end, “Would the real Mitt Romney please stand up!”
Mitt Romney incarnated the saying of Mark Twain, “Get all the facts first, then you can distort them as you please.”
alex
October 5th, 2012
7:44 am
Oh, forgot,the APS, Clayton co. public schools are wonderful examples of our tax money being spent wisely…Sheeesh, pathetic
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 5th, 2012
7:44 am
No matter the government-school brain-washing, the majority of Americans go to college on their own.
Morals still exist and the decent people do not want stolen money to finance their individual goals and aspirations.
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I’m glad Bookman got a decent education on my dime.
I……on the other hand ……had to pay inflated college costs.
\.
But I sleep well at night.
AU Liberal in ATL
October 5th, 2012
7:44 am
It would take too much time and space to list Romney’s lies, so here’s a list of his truthful utterances.
1. I have five boys.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:45 am
“During the debate I felt like I was watching a re-run of To Tell The Truth and expected the moderator to say at the end, “Would the real Mitt Romney please stand up!””
ahhhhh … a blast from the past …
AU Liberal in ATL
October 5th, 2012
7:46 am
You’re a liar too, Heyward Jr. If you were really happy that Jay got a decent education “on your dime”, you wouldn’t be complaining about it.
Madmax
October 5th, 2012
7:46 am
USink – and how many of those Republicans voted for the final product? And why was it not sent back fo congress for resolution? Sorry I do know how Congress works and you get support before you put the bill to a vote.
Tom Middleton
October 5th, 2012
7:47 am
AU Liberal in ATL
2. That also lie.
Paul
October 5th, 2012
7:48 am
“No matter the government-school brain-washing, the majority of Americans go to college on their own.”
Proving, yet again, that it’s been five o’clock somewhere for a long, long time.
Thug
October 5th, 2012
7:49 am
Isn’t it usually Lefty that defends lying…’bama said
he was going to half the deficit in first term and hasn’t even produced a budget…and the Laser -like focus on jobs? ‘bama and you JB in the mindf*ck media are the real culprits of the lie.
Paul
October 5th, 2012
7:49 am
Heyward Jr.
“I……on the other hand ……had to pay inflated college costs.”
Since you brought it up, you’re saying you went to a private college/university?
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 5th, 2012
7:50 am
AU Liberal in ATL
October 5th, 2012
7:46 am
You’re a liar too, Heyward Jr. If you were really happy that Jay got a decent education “on your dime”, you wouldn’t be complaining about it.
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You might have a point……………….but for sarcasm.
the cat
October 5th, 2012
7:50 am
Rumor on the street is there are more than five Romney children, one is institutionalized and kept hidden. So Mitt can’t even tell the truth about how many kids he has.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
7:50 am
This is a long series of inferences
All of them wrong
Madmax
October 5th, 2012
7:52 am
AU liberal in ATL – Based on some of the stuff Jay puts out here, I’m not so sure about that “decent” education. He definitely got brainwashed by the leftist thinking academia who can think of trillions of ways to spend other peoples money.
Paul
October 5th, 2012
7:52 am
This is neat. Jay posts “Do they argue that Romney really WILL cut education, and thus prove that he and they are honest about cutting the budget? Or do they argue that Romney really WON’T cut education, and by doing so endorse the RINO position?
They’re trapped in a snare of their own setting.”
and the cons on before that post drop out of sight (except for Jm, but he doesn’t address posts anyway) and about the only cons we have after are the ones who jump right, obviously without reading anything before they click on ‘add your comment.”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
7:53 am
“and how many of those Republicans voted for the final product? ”
oh, but you ARE funny.
As far as republicans not being invited:
June 17, 2009 Three Democratic and three Republican Finance Committee Members hold the first of 31 bipartisan meetings to discuss the development of a health care reform bill. Over the course of the next three months, this group, Baucus, Grassley, Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), and Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.), met for more than 60 hours and the bipartisan principles they discussed became the foundation of the health care reform law.
June 18, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
June 23, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
June 24, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
June 25, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 7, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 8, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 9, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 15, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 16, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 20, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 21, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 22, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 23, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 27, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 28, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 29, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
July 30, 2009 Two bipartisan meetings to discuss health care reform.
Aug. 3, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Aug. 4, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Aug. 5, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Aug. 6, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Aug. 6, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Aug. 20, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Sept. 4, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Sept. 8, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Sept. 9, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Sept. 10, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Sept. 11, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
Sept. 14, 2009 Bipartisan meeting to discuss health care reform.
http://www.finance.senate.gov/issue/?id=32be19bd-491e-4192-812f-f65215c1ba65
so, do you STILL Want to say that the goppers weren’t invited to play in the sandbox???
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 5th, 2012
7:54 am
Paul
October 5th, 2012
7:49 am
Heyward Jr.
“I……on the other hand ……had to pay inflated college costs.”
Since you brought it up, you’re saying you went to a private college/university?
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Actually yes…………I did.
Mostly.
I was forced, by circumstances….to take a few State University Classes.
and i paid for them.
I didn’t even do the GI Bill.
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It’s called principles….son.
The State degrades all morals..for those who have intercourse with it.
Misty Fyed
October 5th, 2012
7:54 am
Obama said he’d cut the deficit in half…..he lied…
Paul
October 5th, 2012
7:54 am
Jm
“This is a long series of inferences. All of them wrong.”
This should be easy for you to answer: where is the inference in ” I’m — I’m not going to cut education funding. I don’t have any plan to cut education funding and grants that go to people going to college. I’m planning on continuing to grow, so I’m not planning on making changes there.”
And why is Romney wrong about saying that?
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
7:56 am
“Romney lied”
WHAT!?!?!?! I’m Shocked!
Aquagirl
October 5th, 2012
7:56 am
This is a long series of inferences
All of them wrong
And what exactly do you infer from “Mitt Romney understands that more spending is the last thing our schools need?”
That Mitt understands we need to spend less but that he’ll spend more?
Mick
October 5th, 2012
7:56 am
jm
Where does the cheerleading stop and the truth begin? You have no credibility because clearly, romney lied through his teeth on multiple answers. You know it, romney knows it, and now he has to deal with it. Your vaunted independents are probably a bit creeped out by the man who will say anything and mean nothing…
Paul
October 5th, 2012
7:59 am
Heyward
It may seem like getting down in the weeds to you, but you do see the difference between attending a private college with no support from public funds (even though many private colleges keep direct costs low for students thru endowments, thus having other people pay costs that tuition doesn’t cover) and attending a state university, where public funds are directly allocated to subsidize student costs, don’t you?
So it’s really more accurate to say “I paid all the unsubsidized expenses of my secondary education thru my own or my family means”, isn’t it?
It’s all well and good to say you paid the bill without federal or state direct assistance, but that does ignore the indirect assistance state and private schools receive, doesn’t it?
A Simple Man
October 5th, 2012
7:59 am
It’s not a lie until it happens. If I say that “I will mow the grass on Sunday” is not a lie until I don’t mow on Sunday. What if Romney does exactly what he says he will do? You may not believe he can, and you may not even want him to do what he says. But what if he does it? Will people starting writing in apologies? Doubt it.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
8:01 am
“Actually yes…………I did.
Mostly.
I was forced, by circumstances….to take a few State University Classes.”
sounds like someone went to an unaccredited university.
you know what they say about fools and their money.
A Simple Man
October 5th, 2012
8:01 am
Oh, and US in UK, haven’t forgotten about you. It seems your position is that the government is spending less now and the debt is lower now than when Obama took office. Not much we can discuss/debate on that. The numbers are what they are and you either believe them or not.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
8:01 am
What if Romney does exactly what he says he will do?
Ahhh, but which Romney are we talking about?
To use your example, is it the Romney who says “I will mow the grass on Sunday” or the one who says “I will NOT mow the grass on Sunday.”
southpaw
October 5th, 2012
8:02 am
“I dunno – his “deep political beliefs” are like a newborn’s diaps – changed frequently”
and for the same reason
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Twain’s suggestion was to change politicians, not beliefs, for that reason.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
8:02 am
” If I say that “I will mow the grass on Sunday” is not a lie until I don’t mow on Sunday.”
and if it rains on Sunday and you can’t mow the grass, it still isn’t a lie -
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
8:02 am
Republicans just luvs themselves more of the Mitt because he can change so readily on-the-fly to meet the changing environment. Mitt’s a chameleon.
It’s his karma.
Mick
October 5th, 2012
8:02 am
simple man
You can’t change on a dime after months of policy speeches, how convenient to do a u-turn one month before the election when you’re sinking in the polls…
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
8:03 am
“What if Romney does exactly what he says he will do?”
The problem is that Romney flip flopped so much we don’t know what to believe.
the cat
October 5th, 2012
8:03 am
I’m thinking heyward went to Liberty U.
Ken
October 5th, 2012
8:03 am
The American people, however, do not forget that fact. Their memories are not that short, and they recognize that what Obama faced upon taking office in 2009 was nothing like what the world looked like during the campaign.
That’s funny Jay.
JamVet
October 5th, 2012
8:03 am
Mitt 6.4.
Hysterical! (I think he has been battling a lot of malware!)
Our cons are constipated, confused, highly angered and tired of getting their arses kicked.
Man, am I enjoy these daily meltdowns, and they only portend even bigger ones between now and November 6…
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 5th, 2012
8:04 am
Paul
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It’s all well and good to say you paid the bill without federal or state direct assistance, but that does ignore the indirect assistance state and private schools receive, doesn’t it?
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It doesn’t ignore it.
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Tell me where I had a choice?
When i go to a doctor to save my life………..and that doctor takes medicaid for payment from other people……………am I “living off someone else’s dime”.
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You.like most progs……confuse choice with coercion.
The state has degraded your morals.
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
8:04 am
Mick
October 5th, 2012
8:02 am
Mitt’s just using the etch-a-sketch.
Doggone/GA
October 5th, 2012
8:06 am
“What if Romney does exactly what he says he will do? ”
But what EXACTLY does he SAY he will do? Cut or not cut. Seems like he’s setting you up so that no mattter what he does he “did what he said he would do”
flagboy?
October 5th, 2012
8:07 am
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
7:36 am
It’s always fun to watch the party faithful debate which candidate is a better liar.
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agreed.
Verbal Kint
October 5th, 2012
8:08 am
I see Jay has taken his orders from Axelrod and Cutter like a good soldier and delivered.
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
8:10 am
“It’s always fun to watch the party faithful debate which candidate is a better liar.”
Jay
October 5th, 2012
8:11 am
“I see Jay has taken his orders from Axelrod and Cutter like a good soldier and delivered.”
When you are incapable of debating an issue on its merits, this is the fallback position. And it is a fallback position that is used a LOT.
TiredOfIt
October 5th, 2012
8:11 am
Mitt Romney is a multiple choice kinda guy in that you never no which answer you’re going to get.
East Lake Ira
October 5th, 2012
8:12 am
Romney lies with ease, as I’ve said time and time again.
You all saw it very clearly in teh “debate” and you’ll see it more and more as the election date nears.
Romney is a liar, an empty suit with nice hair.
And also too, Ryan.
Paul
October 5th, 2012
8:12 am
Thomas Heyward Jr.
My point wasn’t about the choice or the circumstances.
It gets back to the point Pres Obama made and others twisted when he spoke of the successful business person:
” There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. ”
As admirable as self-reliance is, I think it also admirable to acknowledge with some humility that many of one’s seemingly singular, personal accomplishments, be they attending university or some other endeavor, do owe some measure of credit to others who helped make one’s accomplishments possible.
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
8:12 am
“just completely wrong.”
Are all you Romney fans around here that were defending him for his 47% comments now going to admit he was wrong?
Or are you going to blast Romney for his latest flip flop? Which one is it Romney fans?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
8:12 am
JAY,
I think we’ve pretty much established that they all lie….compared to the whoppers BO has told since 2008 that have been validated as lies versus those charged against Romney based on a plan that is not likely to either be passed by congress in its current state or even submitted as is..I submit these are “prospective lies”…You are calling him a liar based on things that haven’t happened yet..
We have evidence of bona fide lies by President Trillions regarding lobbyists, the cost of ACA, cutting the deficit, improving our reputation overseas…and the list goes on and on..
I won’t defend Romney has he, like BO will say anything to get elected.
BTW, what excuse does the group here believe is most responsible for BO’s embarasssing showing: Is it the air in Denver, a brilliant strategy to rope-a-dope Romney and sneak up on him in next debate…or is it just a smarmy competitor (surprise surprise) like BO was in 2008?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
8:12 am
Another hack job post from jay, not factual in any way
That’s some deep, factual stuff there, jm, keep up the great counter analysis!
Jm
October 5th, 2012
8:13 am
I think Jay took a laxative and a sleeping pill last night
And that’s never a good idea
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
8:14 am
Verbal Kint
October 5th, 2012
8:08 am
I see Jay has taken his orders from Axelrod and Cutter like a good soldier and delivered.
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I guess John Sununu made you say that.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:14 am
News flash!
During practice sessions for the next debate, Team Obama is having John Kerry — their Romney stand-in — debate Obama while dressed as a French prostitute, an Italian mobster, and as Santa Claus, just so that Obama gets comfortable with whichever Romney-bot shows up on stage with him.
DownInAlbany
October 5th, 2012
8:14 am
This is typical Bookman. Obama’s record is so dismal that he again attacks Romney (and laughably blames Bush!). Unfortunately he has been in charge for the last 4 years. It’s his economy, now. He owns it. The fact is Washington DC is broken and Obama is part of the problem, not the solution. Are you better off now than 4 years ago?
Jm
October 5th, 2012
8:15 am
Jay
October 5th, 2012
6:52 am
Was he lying then or is he lying now?
Yes.
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- the answer of a blind partisan
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:15 am
Is it flip-flopping if you admit you were wrong? I thought that’s what we would want a leader to do. To admit his comments were wrong if they are in fact wrong.
Doggone/GA
October 5th, 2012
8:16 am
“When you are incapable of debating an issue on its merits, this is the fallback position. And it is a fallback position that is used a LOT”
Heck, they’re just practicing their zingers…just like their fearless leader!
Citizen of the World
October 5th, 2012
8:16 am
Romney has been called an empty suit. I think we can now call him a sheep suit.
Jm
October 5th, 2012
8:16 am
Jay is the worst fact checker, possibly of all time
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:16 am
Is it flip-flopping if you admit you were wrong? I thought that’s what we would want a leader to do. To admit his comments were wrong if they are in fact wrong.
How many times is he allowed to be wrong during the campaign before you admit that he’s got the political instincts of a gekko?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
8:16 am
I think Jay took a laxative and a sleeping pill last night
What keen analytical insight! AMAZING
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
8:17 am
BTW,
Can anyone offer data that correlates improved test scores or graduation rates to increased spending per kid? I don’t think we should cut costs, but it is silly that every single president since who knows when has a plan to improve education…
All we have is a great body of evidence suggesting is has virtually zero impact at best…have to get more creative since the masses think a correlation exists..
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:17 am
Jay is the worst fact checker, possibly of all time
Attack the writer, but no facts presented. Typical of you, Jm. DO BETTER.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
8:17 am
Down In ALbany
Are you better off now than 4 years ago?
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.
.
Substantially.
I can spare a some $$$$ if you need it, we could take up a collection if food and shelter are a problem for you.
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
8:18 am
“Are you better off now than 4 years ago?”
Hell NO. I miss the good ol’ days of real estate collapse, 700,000 a month job losses, and stock market crash.
Good times, good times.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:18 am
I don’t think we should cut costs, but it is silly that every single president since who knows when has a plan to improve education…
Not the point. You looked at a tree and missed the forest around it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
8:18 am
Are you better off now than 4 years ago?
Immensely so.
This sucker coulda gone down, ya know?
JKL2
October 5th, 2012
8:18 am
Jay- President Obama’s policy response to every education challenge has been more federal spending. Increased spending on our K-12 public schools has failed to produce results
Let’s continually increase spending and expect/get nothing in return. obama is a flippin’ genius.
obama: No problem I can’t fix by throwing the checkbook at it. Free money for everyone!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
8:19 am
DANNYX,
Lest ye forget that BO has, particularly in macro issues, a poor record of keeping his promises…why should the Ken Doll be any different?
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:19 am
Jay- President Obama’s policy response to every education challenge has been more federal spending. Increased spending on our K-12 public schools has failed to produce results
Again, focusing on the tree. Missing the forest around it entirely.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
8:20 am
why should the Ken Doll be any different?
yeah, let’s not expect too much from these guys….
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 5th, 2012
8:20 am
Paul——
“As admirable as self-reliance is, I think it also admirable to acknowledge with some humility that many of one’s seemingly singular, personal accomplishments, be they attending university or some other endeavor, do owe some measure of credit to others who helped make one’s accomplishments possible.”
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Exactly…………………………………………………but……………………………………………………….
NOT compelled to do so……………… at the business end of a gun.
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Soviet/Progressive logic———–” I am an ingrate in that I do not appreciate the cheap price of sugar that I use ………eventhough I have no choice and that millions of people live in abject poverty because of the state’s subsidized agricultural “gift” to us citizens.”
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It works the same way with everything else.
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:20 am
Byteme,
I apply that same logic to Obama. How many times has he outright lied as well and I don’t hear you hammering on him.
Goes back to my basic thoughts on all this. Everybody left or right is a sheep. If your guy/gal is running then they can do no wrong. You all just talk about how great they are.
Where’s your honest assessment of Obama and the job he’s done? I’m not voting for either guy because of this very reason. I’m expecting one party or the other (and their followers) to actually demand better of their own. Quit pointing the finger at the other guy when yours is just as bad.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
8:21 am
“Can anyone offer data that correlates improved test scores or graduation rates to increased spending per kid?
I don’t know, but I’m guessing they charge $22K a year at Woodward Academy for a reason. THEY certainly think spending matters.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 5th, 2012
8:21 am
Did I miss the posts of apologies from the conned who told us over and over again how Mitt was right on the 47%.
The October Surprise: Mitt does his etch-a-sketch flip.
America is not that gullible.
jconservative
October 5th, 2012
8:21 am
“Basically, Romney is acknowledging that a conservative Republican cannot be elected…”
Goodman is correct on this one guys. We have not had a conservative president in almost 90 years and we will not have one in 2013.
Simply put, the former liberal Republican governor of Massachusetts is coming home to roost.
With a Democratic Senate protecting his back a President Romney will not be much different than the last dozen or so presidents.
Paul
October 5th, 2012
8:22 am
Stevie Ray
“Can anyone offer data that correlates improved test scores or graduation rates to increased spending per kid? I don’t think we should cut costs, but it is silly that every single president since who knows when has a plan to improve education…”
Right here in Texas, with its “Robin Hood, spread the wealth” rules where there’s an attempt to equalize funding between wealthy and poor districts.
It’s what led to the legislation in the first place. In Republican dominated, conservative Texas. Even here it was recognized there was a direct link between increasing funding and improving student performance.
I think what you may be getting at is, is there a point of diminishing returns?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
8:22 am
Down In ALbany
Seriously…does your family need help?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
8:22 am
BYEME,
I am missing no point whatsoever…just because I don’t see value in debating whether a politician is lying doesn’t barr and reasonable discussion about the value of all the failed (and what will continue to fail) efforts to throw more money at this issue….we don’t know for sure if Romney will cut education….he is not betrothen to any current plan…
Politicians lying or arguing who lies more than the other is a rather unprofitable, time wasting endeavor..
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
8:22 am
“obama: No problem I can’t fix by throwing the checkbook at it. Free money for everyone!”
Obama?? Seems to me he had help. Our Republican governor, Nathan Deal, said during his campaign that he would not accept Race to the Top funds. What was one of the first things Deal did as governor? Gobbled down almost a half billion in Race to the Top funds.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:23 am
I don’t know, but I’m guessing they charge $22K a year at Woodward Academy for a reason. THEY certainly think spending matters.
So does only signing up those students you want and tossing back into the cesspool those students who can’t cut it.
Citizen of the World
October 5th, 2012
8:23 am
Whatever @ 8:15, yes, I think leaders (and followers) should be able to admit they were wrong and change their mind. But this change of mind should be the result of having learned something new or because a situation has changed, not for pure political expediency, as seems to be the case with Romney’s reversal on the 47 percent. That’s a flip-flop.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
8:24 am
JAY,
Stick to the script…can you offer me proof that taxpayers throwing more money at education is a successful strategy?
Paul
October 5th, 2012
8:24 am
Thomas Heyward
No one is compelled to apply for or use a Pell Grant or any other type of grant. Or subsidized student housing. Or any one of many other examples.
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:24 am
Jay,
That Woodward logic is very flawed. I know homeschoolers that pay $1,000/kid/year and got into Harvard.
Culture and parental involvement are way more important than funds.
Child, please
October 5th, 2012
8:24 am
What has 33 years of massive spending (thank you President Carter for creating that bureaucracy) at the federal level done for the education in this country? Squat. Versus being a perennial education power on the international level, our K-12 kids score about 20th to 25th, etc. in world rankings. So can easily argue that the entire departerment and the trillions that have been spent on it since 1979 are A TOTAL WASTE (keeping in sync with much other government spending). 5% isn’t nearly enough to cut. Add a zero after it and it is a good start
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:25 am
How many times has he outright lied as well and I don’t hear you hammering on him.
So why not point out for us the specific instances where he said one thing and did the exact opposite. Not those things he said he’d try to do and had Congress block it. But those things he said he’d do one thing and did the exact opposite. Like saying he would never cut education spending, but then having documents on his web site outlining a dramatic cut in education spending. Something like that. Go for it.
killerj
October 5th, 2012
8:26 am
Sorry Jay,I still will go with someone who has a chance to fail than someone who has failed miserably any day.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
8:26 am
Paul,
I’d be interested in some data suggesting in Texas that scores and graduation rates improved by throwing more money at the problem…this would represent an anomoly..a statistical faux pas..
Ivan
October 5th, 2012
8:26 am
“But this change of mind should be the result of having learned something new or because a situation has changed, not for pure political expediency,”
Sort of like all the Democrats that supported troops in Iraq. Before they were against it.
b-troll
October 5th, 2012
8:26 am
“And what exactly do you infer from “Mitt Romney understands that more spending is the last thing our schools need?” ”
i infer that he will not INCREASE spending on education, duh
reading and listening are elemental
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:26 am
Culture and parental involvement are way more important than funds.
Indeed this is true. So, absent sending the police to enforce a good home environment, what do you propose we do to break the cycle? Cut funds for education and meals at school? Or do you think creating a permanent underclass is in our country’s best interest?
Usmc
October 5th, 2012
8:27 am
Jay LIED…. People SIGHED!
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:28 am
Sort of like all the Democrats that supported troops in Iraq. Before they were against it.
So you’re saying that after 2 years in Iraq, Democrats didn’t learn something new… like there never was any WMDs and Saddam was not the huge nuclear threat that the Bush team portrayed them?
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
8:29 am
“Sort of like all the Democrats that supported troops in Iraq. Before they were against it.”
That’s just dumb, there is a big difference between not supporting the troops and not supporting the war. Fact is it was Bush that allowed our troops to go to war with insufficient armor.
Taxi Smith
October 5th, 2012
8:29 am
You know, someone accused Obama of lying once, and you media types just went bonkers. You, sir, are a hypocrite.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
8:29 am
“Hell NO. I miss the good ol’ days of real estate collapse, 700,000 a month job losses, and stock market crash.”
Lehman collapse
Bear Stearns
Countrywide …
those were the days my friend
we thought they’d never end
we’d sing and dance, forever and a day
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 5th, 2012
8:29 am
Paul
October 5th, 2012
8:24 am
Thomas Heyward
No one is compelled to apply for or use a Pell Grant or any other type of grant. Or subsidized student housing. Or any one of many other examples.
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If you want to buy an education in Amerika today…….you ARE compelled to pay inflated rates, because of Federal Funds Distortion .
See Lottery.
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‘I don’t know, but I’m guessing they charge $22K a year at Woodward Academy for a reason. THEY certainly think spending matters.’
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THEY can be fired if not performing.
No so……………the State.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
8:30 am
I’d be interested in some data suggesting in Texas that scores and graduation rates improved by throwing more money at the problem…
Scores and graduation rates in Georgia — while still too low — have been increasing year over year for quite a while now. The same is true of Atlanta public schools, and of public schools in general. The long-term trend is upward, based on almost every bit of data available.
b-troll
October 5th, 2012
8:30 am
“I don’t know, but I’m guessing they charge $22K a year at Woodward Academy for a reason. THEY certainly think spending matters.”
Jay does do a lot of that.
JKL2
October 5th, 2012
8:30 am
byteme- Again, focusing on the tree. Missing the forest around it entirely.
Here’s a forest obama has completely missed: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
8:30 am
Jay, that $22k is so your kids don’t have to interact with the 47%.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:31 am
Here’s a forest obama has completely missed: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Pretty much so has every President since Reagan except for Clinton. All those Republican Presidents and Republican Congresses completely missed it. Were you trolling around blaming them for that? Or is your outrage recent?
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
8:31 am
Unemployment down to 7.8%. Another move in the right direction.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
8:32 am
Go here — http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/ — and click on Georgia.
A whisper in Medvedev's ear
October 5th, 2012
8:32 am
After watching the debate which candidate would you want to stand in the face of a nuclear threat? Really???
stands for decibels
October 5th, 2012
8:32 am
By the way, that phrase “throwing more money”–is ANYONE who isn’t already well to the right-of-center even the least bit positively responsive to it?
Whenever I hear it, I generally think “some tightwad jerk who already Got His and doesn’t want any of Those People to Get Theirs if he [it's almost invariably a "he"] can help it.”
/drive-by
GT
October 5th, 2012
8:32 am
Bill Clinton is the only person I have heard tell Romney and his like they have a lot of brass. At that juncture they were doing things like cutting 700 billion from the Medicare budget and accusing the Obama plan of the same thing. A thief accusing his victim of being the robber, a bully telling the teacher his punching bag hit him first.
Now they have gone a step beyond, accusing us of their affairs, they are now trying to camouflage themselves in with us, like spies. My answer is one my dear old father use to tell me. You are who you run with. If Romney is this moderate he suddenly on Oct. 3 woke up being, why does he have the huge money and support of such right wing minded people.
I thought O was going the right direction introducing Trump’s name to the debate but he stopped short. I am sure Romney would bring up Wright, but the return would be Wright does not own Obama; there are people with canceled checks that own Romney. When you see people celebrating Romney’s debate which ones represent your cord beliefs. Few very few.
Now Romney claims his Mass. roots as governor. He claims under his administration and because of him the state was number one in education. They were number one long before Romney got there and I would imagine are number one now. Romney doesn’t give credit to his predecessors bad or good, if he won the lottery tomorrow he would tell you how his genius earned that money.
JKL2
October 5th, 2012
8:32 am
dannyx- Fact is it was Bush that allowed our troops to go to war with insufficient armor.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
8:33 am
Job gains in August revised UP to 181k.
Job gains in July revised UP to 142k.
Now, admit it cons…you were hoping for bad news…
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:34 am
Byte,
You tell me. How do you help improve a culture? By throwing money at it? Didn’t think so.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:34 am
Unemployment down to 7.8%
WTF? And gains of only 114K jobs?
We’re gonna hear a lot about “cooked numbers” from the anti-math crowd.
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
8:34 am
Stock market futures UP…again…
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:35 am
You tell me. How do you help improve a culture? By throwing money at it? Didn’t think so.
I asked you first. Clearly you haven’t thought about it enough before you spouted off.
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
8:35 am
“Unemployment down to 7.8%. Another move in the right direction.”
LHU, just wait until all the conspiracy theories get going. Can’t wait until we get the “unskewed” numbers.
Paul
October 5th, 2012
8:35 am
Stevie Ray
It’s been going on for a number of years here in Texas, lots of court cases and implementing legislation and tracking results thru the state-wide tests given at various grade levels and in various subjects. There’s a wealth of information to sift through.
Pretty much all the objections here were not based on the idea of “a kid in a district that has a tax base that supports $2,000 a year per student has the same achievement level as a district whose tax base supports a $10,000 a year allocation.”
What gets argued now is ‘how much is enough” and “if my district wants to raise funds in excess of that amount, how much should we be able to keep in our district?”
Seems to me the flip side is, funding level has no bearing at all on academic achievement between large entities. I think that’d be a tough case to make.
b-troll
October 5th, 2012
8:35 am
Here’s what a non-blind partisan Jay could have said, that would not have been intellectually dishonest:
“Romney will likely either reduce, or not increase spending on education, while Obama would likely either hold flat or increase education spending.”
Nothing wrong factually with that because it isn’t stated with the certitude of a blind partisan, and recognizes that, consistent with their general philosophy (Obama Bigger Gov, Romney Smaller Gov), Obama would probably spend more on education than Romney, all things being equal.
But that’s not the point Jay made. Unfortunately.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:36 am
Job gains in August revised UP to 181k.
Job gains in July revised UP to 142k.
Means we’re not looking at a recession soon. The revisions tell you which way the economy is really moving.
JKL2
October 5th, 2012
8:36 am
USinUK- Lehman collapse, Bear Stearns, Countrywide …
It’s shame obama wasn’t around to bail them out. It’s a miracle our country servived.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
8:36 am
7.8%
mmmmmm mmmmm good
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:36 am
DannyX,
Don’t be mad but what about all those democrats that voted for the war? I guess you are letting them off because they are good libs?
Jay
October 5th, 2012
8:37 am
114,000 new jobs created, PLUS:
“The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for July was revised from +141,000 to +181,000, and the change for August was revised from +96,000 to +142,000.”
In other words, that’s another 86,000 jobs that had been undercounted in previous reports, for a total gain of 200,000 jobs.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
8:37 am
Come on cons. There are so many Mitt’s to talk about. Pick one and tell us why he’s your man.
JamVet
October 5th, 2012
8:37 am
I know homeschoolers that pay $1,000/kid/year and got into Harvard.
Sure you do.
The more I watch this campaign the more I understand who we ended up with the criminal GWB for eight years.
Though the Flip Flop Party has chosen a Flopper candidate, and not a Flipper candidate this time.
Remember, when even in the face of staggering overwhelming evidence that they were dead wrong, the Bush administration held fast to their failed positions (the botched invasion and occupation, the botched response to Katrina, the overseeing of the greatest fiscal meltdown in several lifetimes, torture, increasing pollution, bankrupting the US Treasury and on and on and on and on ) and they were revered for doing so?
Principled and unwavering they were!
Now the neocons nominate the EXACT OPPOSITE.
A man so vacillating that his greatest competitor is himself.
And the loyal, albeit highly confused and browbeaten Republican “base” now reveres him for being so unprincipled and wavering.
At this rate, you cons will not see the inside of the White House for a LONG, LONG time…
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:38 am
Romney will likely either reduce, or not increase spending on education, while Obama would likely either hold flat or increase education spending.”
He will likely either get up or not get up this morning and go campaign or go do a fund-raiser. That would also be factually accurate, but completely moronic… just like your point. He said it. Then he tried to “un-say” it in the debate to appear more un-”severely conservative”. Hate it for you.
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:38 am
Byte,
I have thought about it a lot. I know what it takes. It takes people changing their minds about how they are living and desiring something better for themselves and their families. It’s a heart change, not a monetary change.
I was just curious if you had any thoughts yourself that didn’t involve giving away money when that hasn’t worked for 50 years.
b-troll
October 5th, 2012
8:38 am
Obama fail.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-04/unemployment-drop-masks-labor-malaise-chart-of-the-day.html
Paul
October 5th, 2012
8:38 am
“If you want to buy an education in Amerika ”
Okay, Thomas Heyward Jr., you’re officially off the deep end into lalaland.
Good-bye.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
8:39 am
Did someone say “less than 8%”. Uh Oh. Mitt’s gonna need to re-invent himself.
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:40 am
Jam,
I’m not voting for Romney. Don’t like him at all. My point is that both sides are just sheep baaing away. Too bad you seem to be one of them.
JKL2
October 5th, 2012
8:40 am
byteme- Or is your outrage recent?
Since about 2006 when the Demwits took over and the spending train really came off the tracks.
If you thought Bush was bad, obama is Bush on steriods X 10. You must really hate that guy.
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
8:40 am
Cons are very disappointed by this good news re: jobs and unemployment…
True patriots…
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 5th, 2012
8:41 am
Who’re you gonna believe?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19840876
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
8:41 am
Obama got the unemployment rate below 8% in spite of the efforts of the Republicans. Damn! That’s gotta hurt.
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
8:41 am
“U.S. economy adds 114,000 jobs in September, and unemployment rate falls to 7.8%. ”
A lot more people must have stopped looking for jobs w/ only 114,00 jobs added to make unemployment drop that far.
Good timing for Obama I guess.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:42 am
It takes people changing their minds about how they are living and desiring something better for themselves and their families. It’s a heart change, not a monetary change.
So a whole “culture” (using the term you used) changes their mind all at once, right? Or does it start by working on the future generation to make sure they get the chances their families can’t provide them? You seem to think that people just spontaneously change. And you’d be completely wrong, of course. Doesn’t happen. Hasn’t happened.
So, yes, you throw money at the children to make sure they don’t make the same mistakes and hope you get 50% each generation, so that you make a dent in the problem over 2 or 3 generations.
Or you point at them and say “it’s your own fault, deal with it” and make sure that the wealthy can still light their cigars with $100 bills. Welcome to your Republican Party.
ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!
October 5th, 2012
8:42 am
Gotta run. Work!
Jay
October 5th, 2012
8:42 am
Peadawg, you are forgetting to account for the 86K in previously uncounted job growth in July and August. Again, that’s 200,000 jobs we did not have before.
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
8:42 am
TaxPayer, aren’t you always asking cons where the jobs are?
Paul
October 5th, 2012
8:42 am
b-troll
“Here’s what a non-blind partisan Jay could have said, that would not have been intellectually dishonest:
“Romney will likely either reduce, or not increase spending on education, while Obama would likely either hold flat or increase education spending.””
But that’s not what Romney said at the debate, is it?
DannyX
October 5th, 2012
8:43 am
“In other words, that’s another 86,000 jobs that had been undercounted in previous reports, for a total gain of 200,000 jobs.”
And before Republicans start screaming about the revisions I would like to remind them that the new numbers are now in line with the figures ADP produced for those months.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
8:43 am
“Now, admit it cons…you were hoping for bad news…”
seriously – I’m reading a republican friend of mine talk about how the growth is SO HORRIBLE
Tea Party group founded and funded by billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch
October 5th, 2012
8:43 am
In a way, the Koch brothers are simply fulfilling their father’s legacy. In 1958, Fred Koch — the founder of Koch Industries — joined a group of manufacturing executives and Robert Welch to found the John Birch Society, a virulent far-right group that dominated the civil rights debate. The John Birch Society organized an impeachment campaign against then-Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren for the Brown v. Board decision outlawing racial segregation, and mobilized its supporters to oppose integration of schools on the grounds that mixing black and white would lead to the “mongrelization” of the races. Fred supported the John Birch Society’s anti-civil rights campaign, and wrote a screed denouncing the civil rights movement as communist-inspired.
Charles and David did not only inherit an oil company, they inherited a political philosophy. The Tea Party movement, orchestrated by AFP and other Koch fronts, reflects the paranoid style of the movement started by their father, Fred. As Thom Hartmann has explained, corporate interests have long funded far-right, paranoid movements to continually shift the balance of politics in America. The radical right creates political space for corporate candidates like Richard Nixon or Mitt Romney to appear “moderate” in contrast. David Koch, it should be noted, actually supports Romney for president in 2012 even though David’s fronts have spent the last two years boosting reactionaries like Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC).
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/01/12/138501/koch-segregation/?mobile=nc
Citizen of the World
October 5th, 2012
8:43 am
How could putting more money into education not help? Nicer facilities, better-paid teachers, more state-of-the-art equipment, more opportunities for ambitious, qualified students to pursue higher education?
I think part of America’s academic decline comes from broken homes, poverty, too much TV, etc.; however, the same children who are hindered by these disadvantages are further hindered by substandard school environments. Oprah did a show once where she took students from an affluent neighborhood and students from a poor neighborhood switched schools one day. The difference in environment and opportunities was as stark as the difference between a vienna sausage and a filet mignon, and that just isn’t right.
JamVet
October 5th, 2012
8:44 am
Jm is so confused, he doesn’t even know why moniker to use these days! LOL!
It matters not, the nonsense remains constant…
Don’t be mad but what about all those democrats that voted for the war?
Meat, take a widdle bitty guess as the the actual percentage of ALL of those democrats.
Because you have no clue, cannot do basic research , I’ll tell you.
43%.
Your Chickenhawk Party?
97%
You do the math. (Oops and LOL!)
Jm
October 5th, 2012
8:44 am
67 million watched debate
Good for Romney
Second debate may get good viewership to see if Obama stumbles again
The man minus his tele is less formidable
JKL2
October 5th, 2012
8:44 am
-I know homeschoolers that pay $1,000/kid/year and got into Harvard.
Were they foreign exchange students like our president?
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:45 am
Byte,
I’m not a Republican.
No I don’t think it happens at once and I dont’ think we cut education funding. I just think we have to regroup and come up with a new strategy that isn’t based just around easy money. The money isn’t there anymore anyway.
mike
October 5th, 2012
8:45 am
7.8% how convenient?
JamVet
October 5th, 2012
8:46 am
Now, admit it cons…you were hoping for bad news…
I swear that more than a few of the worst of our bloggers are PO’d that Osama bin Laden is not still alive.
ANYTHING to make the hated libs look bad.
RB from Gwinnett
October 5th, 2012
8:46 am
Note to Jay and all his fellow liberals and Obama apologists….
The fact you are unable to understand Romneys plans does not make them untrue. Stop being afraid of things you don’t understand. Seriously, you don’t understand how your refrigerator works either, but that doesn’t make it scary or wrong. If you’ve been paying attention, you know with absolute certainty what Obama is doing is not working and continuing to do it is the definition of insanity. Time to step aside and let the adults take over.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
8:47 am
“And before Republicans start screaming about the revisions I would like to remind them that the new numbers are now in line with the figures ADP produced for those months.
Actually, their previous complaint had been that monthly figures were always OVERestimated, and then revised downward later when no one was looking. So they’re going to have to perform a flipflop to make the claim above.
Not that I doubt their ability to perform said manuever.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
October 5th, 2012
8:47 am
Had a doctor’s appointment this morning for what I thought was to get my stitches out. I showed up at 0815, they hustled me into a room, ripped off my bandages, looked at my incisions and said, I kid you not, ” good, healing well, to you want another bandage?” I asked if they were going to remove the stitches, they said, “No, they will dissolve in water”. Fifteen minutes later and $40.00 dollars lighter, I’m back at work. Yep, I can’t wait for ObamaCare!
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
8:48 am
‘Not that I doubt their ability to perform said manuever.’
Linguine spines are sometimes helpful…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
8:48 am
IRS Looking Into Tax Schemes That Reportedly Boosted Romney’s IRA
http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/2012/10/03/irs-probes-ira-abuses/
Jm
October 5th, 2012
8:48 am
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
8:36 am
7.8%
mmmmmm mmmmm good
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Sure. For Europe.
JKL2
October 5th, 2012
8:49 am
b-troll- Obama fail. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-04/unemployment-drop-masks-labor-malaise-chart-of-the-day.html
It’s even got a graph! I wonder if Jay will include that in his “all hail the mighty obama” article he’s busy typing right now?
Tundra Dude
October 5th, 2012
8:49 am
Jeff H:
Jay – the real question is where is the President taking the country?
You’re entitled to your own airplane and to your own house, but you don’t get to decide what is the Real question.
>>Every single economic expert is clear – we are heading toward a financial cliff.
If you believe that, it would behoove you to take up cliff-diving.
Actually, nearly all these “experts” are brain dead. (their brains are wedded to their models)
They completely missed the multi-Trillion $$ housing bubble, and now you choose to rely on them to warn you of impending disaster….??
straitroad
October 5th, 2012
8:49 am
Jay, you are becoming less credible by the day. You can claim instances where Romney lies and I can do the same with Obama. I think Obama put it best when he said that if you have a poor record, then you must focus on attaking your opponent. This is Obama’s strategy at this point. If you honestly think that this country is moving in a positive direction, then you are either living in a bubble or are incapable of objectivity.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
8:49 am
JAY,
Thanks for the data..the quibbling I have with that data is that it proves my point more than the opposite..on a national level, there have not been meaningful improvement in any of the metrics since the 90’s despite spending increases of some 30% and expanding..
I’m not sure how relevant the GA data is when the issue is a national one.
Fact is, no amount of money can replace parental support..
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:49 am
I’m glad unemployment is dropping. It’s good for the country.
I also wish, and I’ve wished this for years, that we reported the full numbers on inflation, unemployment and other economic indicators. Not that it would change unemployment dropping. It obviously is. It would, however, give us a good idea of what’s really going on in the country.
From cnbc.com “The government’s most widely publicized unemployment rate measures only those who are out of a job and currently looking for work. It does not count discouraged potential employees who have quit looking, nor those who are underemployed — wanting to work full-time but forced to work part-time.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48468748/Real_Unemployment_Rate_Shows_Far_More_Jobless
Our politicians have fooled us for years (both parties) and we’ve let them do it.
Good news today but lets demand our parties live in reality.
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
8:50 am
mike -7.8% how convenient?”
Not really, if you want to cook the books in favor of your candidate, then you really need to be around 5% to 6%.
Paul
October 5th, 2012
8:50 am
Normal
Look on the bright side. You just did your part to make sure your insurance company CEO gets his bonus for efficiency!
Back later -
Patty
October 5th, 2012
8:50 am
And yet, Mass. was (and still is) one of the top states in education in the country–now what state was it that Mr. Romney was governor of? The guy knows how to get kids educated and sometimes, it’s not about money. IT”S about doing your job and teaching!
meinpvb
October 5th, 2012
8:50 am
Jay, if you want to talk about lies and distortions go for it. But give the other side the same digging. Obama said he would close Gitmo. Obama said he would have a transparent government; he passed Obamacare in the dead of night. He said he could bring down the jobless numbers; they have gone up. He said if he couldn’t fix the economy he should be a one term president. Now he is telling us he needs more time. He raised the deficit by trillions of dollars, after telling voters that when Bush did it, it was “unpatriotic. Yes, he took over during a horrible time for our economy. So did Reagan. All I hear from Obama is “Bush’s fault.” Bush is long gone. I see Obama on The View, on David Letterman, playing golf and partying with Beyonce and Jay Z. During the debate he looked shocked that anyone might disagree or question him. His hubris is astounding and still the media gives him a pass. So before you start throwing stones at Romney, please, please, please admit that Obama lies and distorts also.
Finch
October 5th, 2012
8:52 am
Don’t recall seeing any quotes whereby the President stated he would not run for a second term. As far as bipartisanship – I recall the president inviting the Republicans over to watch the Super Bowl game at the White House and other events where he has extended the olive branch and they were rude enough to decline. You can only offer your open hand so many times while the other guys holds his in a fist. Remember Mitch McConnell threw the first punch in stating the Republican’s objective was to ensure this was a one-term president. So much for working for the American people.
I am having trouble with this entire “I am so devoutely religious” thing. How can Romany play the Christian card while standing up there being dishonest – as fact-checked by PoliticFact. He says one thing at one event, then denies it at the other, yet professes to claim that being a Christian is important to him. What type of Christianity is this?
As far as the debate – Mitt was the Oscar-winning actor and let’s not forget -these are not debates, they are cheap stage productions using scripted performers. His “acting” did not change the fact he wants to voucherize Medicare, privatize Social Security and give the wealthy a free ride.
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
8:52 am
From foxnews –
“The U.S. unemployment rate fell to 7.8 percent last month, dropping below 8 percent for the first time in nearly four years. The rate fell because more people found work, a trend that could impact the presidential election.”
You know they hated to write that.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
8:52 am
Jm
October 5th, 2012
8:48 am
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
8:36 am
7.8%
mmmmmm mmmmm good
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Sure. For Europe.
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What?
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
8:53 am
TaxPayer, aren’t you always asking cons where the jobs are?
I like to ask them how their 2010 jobs campaign is working. I never get much of an answer. Given that their jobs bills have not been passed, I don’t expect anything more than what they have said to date, i.e., “our jobs bills are stuck in the Senate.” Poor things.
scott
October 5th, 2012
8:53 am
Jay….And your thoughts on all of Obama’s lies? Crickets…chirp chirp chirp
Fred ™
October 5th, 2012
8:53 am
A whisper in Medvedev’s ear
October 5th, 2012
8:32 am
After watching the debate which candidate would you want to stand in the face of a nuclear threat? Really???
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Holy Jesus hanging on a cross REALLY? This is your scare tactic? Nuclear Threat? Did you just crawl out of your fallout shelter still thinking it was1956? time for you to duck and cover…….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_and_cover
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
8:54 am
RB – “Seriously, you don’t understand how your refrigerator works either, but that doesn’t make it scary or wrong.”
Thanks RB, I’ll remember that if my refrigerator ever decides to run for POTUS.
Tundra Dude
October 5th, 2012
8:54 am
I swear that more than a few of the worst of our bloggers are PO’d that Osama bin Laden is not still alive.
The Obama Administration has been an unmitigated disaster” – Osama Bin Laden
Fred ™
October 5th, 2012
8:54 am
Usmc
October 5th, 2012
8:27 am
Jay LIED…. People SIGHED!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Since when did YOU become so funny lol?
Good one.
Joseph
October 5th, 2012
8:54 am
How exactly did Romney lie Bookman? He’s not President yet! How could he have possibly already cut education when he hasn’t been elected yet. Wait till Jan 20th though and we’ll see…
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
8:54 am
“I like to ask them how their 2010 jobs campaign is working.”
Unemployment just dropped to 7.8%.
scott
October 5th, 2012
8:55 am
I cannot believe you idiots are taklign about this job number. It is not because more people found work…it’s because more people stopped looking for work. Seriously people. GET A CLUE!
Mick
October 5th, 2012
8:55 am
rb
Wrong. Four years ago we were dangling on the edge of a cliff, a convenient fact that you and others gloss over ever so smoothly. We are climbing back up steadily, yet republicans demand that we fly straigt to the top in a single bound; reality does not work that way…
Pell-Grant Girl
October 5th, 2012
8:55 am
As someone who has received Pell-Grants for the last three years of her college education, I think he has a reason for doing this. The grant program is in place to cover school expenses and if you have no job and need help with school expenses they do their job. However, I also carried a 40 hour job while going to school while receiving the government aid because the government aid just wasn’t enough. The government is always going to give people just enough to get by and people that want better for themselves, their lives, and their families should want better. As someone who had no choice but to live on this system as a child, I barely even got shoes more than once a year. I have family members who abuse this system all the time. They are more than able to work, but they don’t want to. I’ve seen the result of using and abusing this type of system and as a result I want no part of it. I want to work and I want to live above the means that the government has given me. They were there in my time of need and got me on my feet. That is what this system is in place for. To help you get further in life. Not to keep you in the same spot. These programs are VERY necessary. I would never argue that they weren’t, but there is abuse within them. By taking away some of the aid, we will see who is abusing it because if they aren’t getting aid from the government anymore and are able to work they will get a job. However we’ve all seen it before, one person messes up and the group gets punished. It’s sad that it has come to that. There is no perfect solution, but it’s better than putting more money into a fund when America is in so much debt as it is.
Master(de)bater
October 5th, 2012
8:56 am
Ben @ 5:57 am
“Romney is nothing more than a car salesman.”
Only thing is that his “car” is way better than Mr. Obama’s “rusty old bicycle.”
Saying that one is a salesman and the other is not is ridiculous. It’s the product that matters. After 4 years of “rusty old bicycle,” Obama now apparently wants to sell us a brand spanking new kickstand as an “upgrade.”
Thanks, but no thanks.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
8:56 am
“You know they hated to write that.”
haha – no kidding
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
8:56 am
Here we go again! Liberals using the biased media to broadcast misinformation and when they get called on it with the facts they turn to semantics like Bill Clintin, “If “is” is “is”… It is rather refreshing to see the liberals back at their routines of propaganda and misinformation rather than gloating over something or someone who is completely lazy and incompetent. Of course only the conservative told lies and never will the biased media report all the lies and misinformation about Obama and his administration.
Joseph
October 5th, 2012
8:56 am
Hey Bookman I can’t wait for your tripe about the fuzzy math unemployment rate dropping…. U-6 still 14.7…
Citizen of the World
October 5th, 2012
8:56 am
is it the Romney who says “I will mow the grass on Sunday” or the one who says “I will NOT mow the grass on Sunday.”
This should be amended: Is it the Romney who says “I will hire an illegal alien to mow the grass on Sunday” or the one who says “I will NOT hire an illegal alien to mow the grass on Sunday.”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
8:57 am
JAY,
The unemployment rate is a fallacy if not considering those folks underemployed or leaving the job market…despite BO’s supporters efforts to suggest that he has done anything to improve employment…
The labor force participation rate – which has fallen significantly, from 66.1 percent in 2008 to 63.5 percent today – tells us far more. That’s because it includes everybody of working age, even those who have left the work force. The unemployment rate excludes such individuals, presenting a rosier picture than exists.
Indeed, the focus on the unemployment rate masks the ineffectiveness of government “jobs” policies. Politicians can lower the U-3 rate – and make things seem better than they are – by making it easier for people to leave the workforce.
Measuring unemployment inclusive of underemployed and those who stopped looking tells a much realistic account of what’s really happening..
http://www.freeby50.com/2012/08/trends-in-unemployment-versus.html
straitroad
October 5th, 2012
8:57 am
Not that it matters to most on this board, but the economy has to add roughly 135,000 jobs each month to stay even. It isn’t mathematically possible to add 114,000 jobs and drop 3 tenths of a percentage. And looking into the numbers we see that the majority of these jobs are part time. That’s one sorry measuring stick.
will the "REAL" Mitt Romney please stand up?
October 5th, 2012
8:57 am
When Romney criticizes Obama on education, ask what he did as Massachusetts’ Governor…
Want to know what Massachusetts educators learned from Mitt Romney‘s single term as Massachusetts governor? He forced them into increased classroom sizes, school budget cuts, higher fees and less out-of-school services for students.
https://underthelobsterscope.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/when-romney-criticizes-obama-on-education-ask-what-he-did-as-massachusetts-governor/
Fred ™
October 5th, 2012
8:59 am
Seriously, you don’t understand how your refrigerator works either,
I understand how my refrigerator works. I can, (and have), even fix it if it breaks. If I DIDN’T know how it workedI could easily find out though. Here let me show you, don’t worry, I’m typing this slowly so you can keep up…….
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+does+a+refrigerator+work%3F
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
8:59 am
“Unemployment just dropped to 7.8%.”
Read further dear liberal! It is part time seasonal jobs. You know it is harvest season and these jobs will only last a couple of months. If “is” is “is” right?
Jm
October 5th, 2012
8:59 am
Granny
7.8% is only something one would be proud of, if you’re European
The tragedy of low expectations, one might say
Peadawg
October 5th, 2012
9:00 am
“Read further dear liberal!”
I stopped reading since I’m not a liberal.
jconservative
October 5th, 2012
9:01 am
Unemployment rate just came out – 7.8%. Bad news for Romney and the Republican campaign.
Good news for the country.
The Republican House, Senate and presidential campaign have hollered for 4 years about unemployment being over 8%. Now it is under 8%. Expect a bounce for Obama in the polls.
Those who believe the unemployment rate is “skewed” need to realize that the formula has been the same for decades. If is is wrong today it was wrong in 1983.
The next release date is 11/2, just before the election.
Fred ™
October 5th, 2012
9:01 am
Joseph
October 5th, 2012
8:56 am
Hey Bookman I can’t wait for your tripe about the fuzzy math unemployment rate dropping…. U-6 still 14.7…
+++++++++++++++++++++
You mean like the number dropping to 7.8% for September 2012, the lowest number since January 2009?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-05/u-s-jobless-rate-unexpectedly-falls-to-7-8-114-000-jobs-added.html
GT
October 5th, 2012
9:01 am
Under 8% I wonder how many viewers will see that!
Romney surprised Obama coming out like a “socialist” on Wednesday, claiming his socialistic roots of Mass, or that was his description of this on Oct. 2. Now O surprises Romney. If Romney is elected, O should just about have the mess fix in time to give it back to the Republicans to mess up again. Just like Clinton and Bush.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
9:02 am
STRAITROAD
Agreed the govt can manupulate this number by tossing out those too discouraged to look for work or working at SBUX making a fraction of prior earnings…
It’s great political fodder for those desperate for, or otherwise clutching at straws but is a false measure to say the least…as we all know, it is not uncommon for these numbers to be reversed in future months..
The big question is…whether DC, BO or prospectively Romney have any impact at all…at least given the miniscule changes in policy..
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:02 am
will the “REAL” Mitt Romney please stand up?
October 5th, 2012
8:57 am
It worked for the school! They are rated among the best in the nation. Ah c’mon you dont like success either?
Madge From Accounting
October 5th, 2012
9:02 am
Don’t hate the playa, folks. Hate the game.
You can’t hate Romney for saying anything and everything it’ll take to get a job. Sort of like this lady i interviewed the other day who said, she was a Veteran but didn’t check the veteran’s box because she didn’t wish for someone to hire her on that reference alone.
When I asked, “Then why are you telling me now?”
She said, “Because I thought you should know, you know, in case it makes a difference.”
Don’t hate the playa, folks. Hate the game.
Georgia on my mind...
October 5th, 2012
9:03 am
…and the WAR continues in Georgia…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM&ob=av2e
…and CHEVY continues to run deep!!
RB from Gwinnett
October 5th, 2012
9:03 am
Jay, you embody everything that is wrong with the media. If you and your partners in crime held Obama to anything close to the same scrutiny you do his opponents, he would have been far more prepared to answer for his pathetic record when pressed on it and maybe Obama might actually have to accomplish something to avoid the embarrassment. As it is, you’ve allowed him to go unchecked with the most challenging interviews he’s had to give being from the “journalists” at the view.
Why don’t you try telling us what tax deduction Obama was spouting off about yesterday that “encourages” outsourcing? In short, jay, do you job!
Skip
October 5th, 2012
9:03 am
The crazys really do come out when Kyle is away. Think he’s just hiding in his room?
Jay
October 5th, 2012
9:03 am
The fall in the unemployment rate is NOT due to a decline in those in the workforce. To the contrary, “The civilian labor force rose by 418,000 to 155.1 million in September.” In other words, a better economy is drawing people back into the job market.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:03 am
Breaking news from the cons:
We don’t need no education.
You cannot have any jobs unless you pass our jobs bills. How can you have any jobs if you don’t pass the jobs bills.
Jay
October 5th, 2012
9:05 am
“Agreed the govt can manupulate this number by tossing out those too discouraged to look for work or working at SBUX making a fraction of prior earnings…
Uhhhh. No. They can’t.
To my knowledge, there has never been a hint of evidence or even informed speculation about politicizing such numbers under any administration, Republican or Democrat. And before you make such a charge, I would think at least a hint of evidence would be required, right?
Thomas Heyward Jr
October 5th, 2012
9:05 am
Jay
October 5th, 2012
8:37 am
114,000 new jobs created, PLUS:
“The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for July was revised from +141,000 to +181,000, and the change for August was revised from +96,000 to +142,000.”
In other words, that’s another 86,000 jobs that had been undercounted in previous reports, for a total gain of 200,000 jobs.
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See Corrections Corporation of America.
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:05 am
Do you believe the report about unemployment rates? Next gitmo will close, the terrorist will surrender or be killed off, and green energy will show a huge profit. The liberals are at it again. . Of couse they point their finger at others to take the attention away from them. Lies lies and more lies!
Fred ™
October 5th, 2012
9:06 am
In short, jay, do you job!
His job is to get folks like you to read him and then make idiotic claims and assertions. Judging from the lunatic ravings that pour daily from your computer, not only is he doing his job but he’s doing it pretty damn well.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
October 5th, 2012
9:06 am
Obama is using the rope-a-dope to perfection on Flip Robme
jconservative
October 5th, 2012
9:07 am
“…the economy has to add roughly 135,000 jobs each month to stay even. It isn’t mathematically possible to add 114,000 jobs and drop 3 tenths of a percentage.”
Read the report. The figures for July and August were revised upward. Plus over 60,000 people retire at age 60+ each month & that reduces the work force.
It is true the numbers are somewhat meaningless. But they have been calculated the same way for decades. So we are comparing apples and apples.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:08 am
It’s a conspiracy I tells ya. Democrats conned the cons into spending hundreds of millions more on the election this year and that created more jobs than we would have had in an off-election year. Yep. That’s what happened. It was the work of the job creators, the Koch boys and Sheldon Adelson, et al, and their tax-free spending on the election that got us those jobs and now Obama will get credit for their efforts and the Democrats win. Oh the irony.
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:08 am
“The civilian labor force rose by 418,000 to 155.1 million in September.”
It is harvest season Jay! It happens every year. In two months these workers will be looking for jobs again or filing for unemployment benefits.
Mick
October 5th, 2012
9:08 am
Also, many people have opted to retire and collect their social security which opens up jobs for people entering the job market. We are getting there, nice steady work mr. obama!! What makes it even more remarkable is that with all the state budget cuts and the repub’s house refusal to act on a jobs bill, it’s getting done in spite of all the roadblocks…
patty
Massachusetts schools were number one long before a mitt romney was there…
Soldier Mom
October 5th, 2012
9:08 am
And unemployment falls to 7.8%.
Madge From Accounting
October 5th, 2012
9:09 am
Lots of accounting to do today folks — enjoy a beautiful Friday!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZldHDOCNgo
It’s a beautiful mornin’ ahhh
I think I’ll go outside a while
An jus’ smile
Just take in some clean fresh air boy
Ain’t no sense in stayin’ inside
If the weather’s fine an’ you got the time
It’s your chance to wake up and plan another brand new day
Either way
It’s a beautiful mornin’ ahhh
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:09 am
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:08 am
I hope they dont legalize what you are on!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 5th, 2012
9:10 am
Well, I want whoever stole Romney to brink him back and pronto. I thought we were running a good Conservative. What I saw night before last was a librul running against another librul. No cuts for educamation. No tax cuts for the rich. Most of the Obamacare junk stays.
This prank has went on long enough. Bring our canadate back. And do it right away. It ain’t funny no more.
Have a good Friday everybody. I’m hauling and humping and it’s halfway chilly out here. And all so you can swap weird music tonight.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:11 am
“U-6 still 14.7″
I love how the right “discovers” the U-6 when the other party is in office.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
9:11 am
at least a hint of evidence would be required,
Lol, let me introduce you to the Conservative bubble…
A Simple Man
October 5th, 2012
9:12 am
Lying. It’s only right when the guy I’m supporting does it. Any other time it’s shocking and deserving of ridicule.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
9:12 am
FRED,
Wassup?
I hear you but what, if any, is the correlation of miniscule movements in unemployment and the president?
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
The math is fuzzy at best…
The job market has been improving, sluggishly but steadily. Jobs have been added for 24 straight months. There are now 325,000 more than when Obama took office.
The September gains were led by the health care industry, which added 44,000 jobs – the most since February. Transportation and warehousing also showed large gains. The revisions showed that governments actually added 63,000 jobs in July and August, compared with earlier estimates that showed losses.
Still, many of the jobs added last month were part time. The number of people with part-time jobs who wanted full-time work rose 7.5 percent to 8.6 million.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:12 am
I hope they dont legalize what you are on!
Why do you cons have such a strong dislike for unpolluted air and water, willie.
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:13 am
“What makes it even more remarkable is that with all the state budget cuts and the repub’s house refusal to act on a jobs bill”
What job bill? You mean the liberals have a job bill? Show me please or stop lying!
GT
October 5th, 2012
9:13 am
And wait till the Christmas season, the most employed time of the year. These numbers only get better. Now watch these people that hang around Romney who he doesn’t claim since Oct. 3. The ones that were celebrating Oct. 4, that their candidate had won a debate representing the left more than the right in his argument. You will see pure depression, angry that our country is doing better. No wonder Romney has abandoned those people, and come to a place where Americans are happy for each other when there is good news. We are in this thing together and I am happy Romney can enjoy it with us.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:13 am
“Why do you cons have such a strong dislike for unpolluted air and water, willie”
I’m still trying to figure out why they hate the free market
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
9:14 am
The Order of Obama not only manipulated the polls and UE numbers….
Three years ago Steve Jobs presented us with the plans for the
MittBot 2012…..and we began diverting taypayer funds to its
creation.
Late in 2009 we replaced the flesh and blood Mitt (currently stashed in a luxury dungeon in the Cayman islands) with the Mittbot.
And nobody noticed.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
9:14 am
USNUK,
I love how the right “discovers” the U-6 when the other party is in office.
Yeah, it works both ways which is why sometimes, I challenge my intelligence as to why my participation in these forums is so time consuming:-)
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
9:14 am
Romney is going to cut funding to PBS and America will then be on it’s way to zero unemployment.
PBS is a job suck, ya know!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 5th, 2012
9:15 am
“Still, many of the jobs added last month were part time. The number of people with part-time jobs who wanted full-time work rose 7.5 percent to 8.6 million.”
better part-time than no-time
gm
October 5th, 2012
9:15 am
Unemployment fell”” but to the Aniti Americans on the right who are hoping things get worse in America God is still looking out for this great President, satan rep party will lose this election.
Oh wait. the evil party will say Obama had nothing to do with this, but blame him when things are worse, when will the hypocrites on the right who hate gov return their pell grants?
Butch Cassidy (I)
October 5th, 2012
9:17 am
williebkind – ” In two months these workers will be looking for jobs again or filing for unemployment benefits.”
Yep, right after the election. GENIUS!!!
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:17 am
And on top of the already good jobs news, Republicans are gonna really be pissed even more when they find out about all the hiring to be done later this year in the retail sector to cover the holidays given that none of their jobs bills have yet to pass and therefore they have nothing to point to and claim that it was their effort that created those jobs either. That’s gotta suck for Republicans. Am I right!
straitroad
October 5th, 2012
9:19 am
The civilian workforce rose by 418,000 and we added 114,000 jobs, most of which were seasonal and part time? And this is good news? Your standards are much lower than mine.
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:19 am
“Why do you cons have such a strong dislike for unpolluted air and water, willie.”
That is so funny and typical! I am sure we are starving the children too, trotting over the poor and middle class, and hating colored skin. Did I leave anything out? I dont want you to forget all the liberal incantations!
gm
October 5th, 2012
9:21 am
This means unemployment in Oh, Mich, Fl has droped further, even hicksville Georgia has added more jobs, so do you really those people who are working going to change and vote for the Gordon Gekko (Mitt) who is firing big bird?
Jay
October 5th, 2012
9:22 am
“It is harvest season Jay! It happens every year.
Wrong again, Willie B. That number is seasonally adjusted, which means it takes into account things such as harvest season, which as you note happens every year.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
9:23 am
TAXPAYER,
The numbers are generally seasonally adjusted so not likely to be material, lasting difference as result of holiday part time hires…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
9:25 am
USNUK
Don’t disagree but underemployment is not a solution to reduced tax reciepts, bills due, etcetera and we do not know how many of these folks get benefits.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:26 am
That is so funny and typical! I am sure we are starving the children too, trotting over the poor and middle class, and hating colored skin. Did I leave anything out? I dont want you to forget all the liberal incantations!
As I recall, willie, you commented that you hoped someone would not legalize what I was on. I commented, in my own way, that all I was on is clean air and water. Now you get your knickers in a wad and accuse me of being so typical, in your most typical fashion.
Tell me more, willie. Tell me more. After all, it’s not like you’re a book or something.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
9:27 am
Harvest Season?
“Bain Capital is an investment partnership which was formed to invest in startups and ongoing companies, then to take an active hand in managing them and, hopefully, five to eight years later, to harvest them at a significant profit.”
~ W. Mitt Romney
I don’t think that harvest is seasonally adjusted.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
9:28 am
Jimmy Fallon as Romney telling Lehrer to Shut It.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/jimmy-fallon-debates-as-romney-lehrer-shut-the-f-up_n_1941473.html
Lord Help Us
October 5th, 2012
9:29 am
Unemployment drops under 8%.
Was there a debate somewhere this week?
gm
October 5th, 2012
9:29 am
This shows the right have selected memory laps, when Obama took over we were losing 800,000 jobs month and their leader W, could do nothing wrong, now we are gaining jobs part time or full time a job is a job to people not working.
The right anti President and hope American fail right never have any good thing to say, these people are a disgrace to all Americans.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 5th, 2012
9:29 am
OMG!
Big Bird just ate Romeny’s windblown dog!
GT
October 5th, 2012
9:30 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout) I don’t know maybe it was Madoff, or Enron, maybe it was the MBS bust, maybe it was the last hedge fund bet in London that shows all is well in the parallel world of risking our economic well being, while they exist because in 2008 we bailed them out of being in the tubes with us. Maybe it is when I see gas prices going sky high because they speculate on the stuff or no small business funding because they suck up the money to make their Las Vegas bets and there is no capital for grassroots America. But then grassroots American had nothing to do with the greatness of this country, Trump and the like did it all on their own. We are the 47% luggage the rich have to carry, though a good number of our women find their way out of the “entitlement zone” by marrying some of these characters. Trump and Newt certainly have lifted their share from the underclass and made them their wives. They are doing their share of carry this load. Do wives of these people count as employed? It would seem to me they have very hard jobs.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
October 5th, 2012
9:30 am
GRANNY,
One of the big lies the left continues to spew is the idea that Romney offshored any jobs….Fact Checker suggests 4 Pinocchios for BO’s allegations of same…the bankruptcy rate of Bain portfolio companies is on par with general averages…
He is still smarmy but we are tying to eliminate the lies arent we?
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:34 am
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
9:27 am
Another good example of if “is” is “is”. Thanks GG.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:35 am
The numbers are generally seasonally adjusted so not likely to be material, lasting difference as result of holiday part time hires…
Then again, if stores hire more people this seasonally adjusted holiday season due to improvements in the seasonally adjusted economy, the seasonally adjusted numbers could likely be material and even make a lasting difference, for now. Just sayin’.
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:37 am
Let me play liberal minded — The unemployment rate dropped because the American people saw the great leadership potential in Mitt Romney and the total lapse by President Obama that it is forthcoming that Mitt will become President. So employers began the business of expanding.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:40 am
Romney’s Bain destroyed US companies by buying them up and loading them down with debt and taking that money as their fees in exchange for telling them that they had too much debt and they should pay it down. Mitt Gekko Romney, destroyer of US companies and jobs. Anything for a buck. The least the scumbag could have done was to leave those company pensions alone to help the employees that lost their jobs.
alex
October 5th, 2012
9:41 am
Let’s see jay, I can work hard, drive a 17 year old car and send my son to Woodward, where the teachers love to teach and the children have homework and when they go to college they do not flunk out OR I can lease a new BMW and send my child to a Atlanta PUBLIC school, Hmm now if there is even a question about that you and your readers are truly marvelous examples of the “american dream”, now go get your free cell phone with williebkind.
TaxPayer
October 5th, 2012
9:42 am
Let me play
liberalcon minded…Fixed that obvious error for ya, willie.
gm
October 5th, 2012
9:43 am
Williebkind
I guess Mitt saved those millions of jobs in Oh, Mich, thank God those people minds are not small minded with hatred for the President, ask those people who are working did Mitt help them?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
9:46 am
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
October 5th, 2012
9:30 am
GRANNY,
One of the big lies the left continues to spew is the idea that Romney offshored any jobs….Fact Checker suggests 4 Pinocchios for BO’s allegations of same…the bankruptcy rate of Bain portfolio companies is on par with general averages…
He is still smarmy but we are tying to eliminate the lies arent we?
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Romney Doesn’t Dispute He Helped Send Jobs Overseas, Tells Press To Call It ‘Offshoring’ Not ‘Outsourcing’
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/22/504690/romney-doesnt-dispute-he-helped-send-jobs-overseas-tells-press-to-call-it-offshoring-not-outsourcing/
Tomat-O Toe-mat-O
Potat-O Poe-tot-O
alex
October 5th, 2012
9:47 am
and take taxpayer with you!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
9:49 am
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:34 am
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
9:27 am
Another good example of if “is” is “is”. Thanks GG.
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I don’t deserve the credit for your dementia, Mr. Sily Pants
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:51 am
gm
October 5th, 2012
9:43 am
The leadership in Oh is conservative. Mich must be the home of tremendous bailouts.
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:54 am
“I don’t deserve the credit for your dementia, Mr. Sily Pants”
GG, will legalizing marijuana help me?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
October 5th, 2012
9:58 am
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
9:54 am
“I don’t deserve the credit for your dementia, Mr. Sily Pants”
GG, will legalizing marijuana help me?
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Try Aricet. Works well for my Pop.
Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
10:00 am
alex
October 5th, 2012
9:41 amif there is even a question about that you and your readers are truly marvelous examples of the “american dream”, now go get your free cell phone with williebkind.”
Now that is harsh Alex, I dont have a cell phone.
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Williebkind
October 5th, 2012
10:03 am
GG — “Try Aricet. Works well for my Pop.”
Donepezil is used to treat dementia (a brain disorder that affects the ability to remember, think clearly, communicate, and perform daily activities and may cause changes in mood and personality) associated with Alzheimer’s disease (AD; a brain disease that slowly destroys the memory and the ability to think, learn …”
Oh my, it is a typical liberal disfunction. Will you get it too?
gm
October 5th, 2012
10:13 am
Williebkind
Oh selfish one, if you had of loss your home, job, family, and in the streets you could care less who bailed you out, oh I forgot you were for building up Iraq structure but not Americans.
When will you people take your flag and put in in the closet, hoping unemployment goes up and Americans suffer, worst bunch of conservatives in the history of this country.
rbooker
October 5th, 2012
10:45 am
Romney is MANDATED to lie. He must. He believes in the right to lie in the service of your own interests. No joke. Google or Wikipedia keywords: Lying for the Lord.
flagboy?
October 5th, 2012
10:46 am
Whatever
October 5th, 2012
8:24 am
Jay,
That Woodward logic is very flawed. I know homeschoolers that pay $1,000/kid/year and got into Harvard.
Culture and parental involvement are way more important than funds.
_________________________
True.
Trevor cordell
October 5th, 2012
11:13 am
Unfortunately everyone loves a great liar until after the fact. That being said I will have no sympathy for poor Republicans who last time cried “We want to preserve future generations not to saddle them with financial burdens” but then this time can readily see their children being both ignorant,illiterate and uneducated because they failed to look at Alabama and Rhode Island and then compare what Romney is essentially saying; he will penalize any extra money floating around and none of his children are in public schools or need loans so where will the cuts take place? If he is telling poor angry white Republicans “He can’t worry about you and can’t make you take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for yourself and life choices”- that does include what your child learns since many parents are not able to effectively home school their child or send them to private schools. No sympathy vote if you guys let your anger get the best of you and then have Republicans saying “there’s just no funding left for the schools” but your still paying taxes and all these other fees Romney doubled in Massachusetts against families he will do across each state. I am voting Obama
rbooker
October 5th, 2012
12:17 pm
Why isn’t Romney celebrating today’s jobs report! He should be as happy for Americans as we all are that things have been looking up for our country. Romney is all politics and no heart. Congratulations Americans! Keep up the good work.
MikeG
October 5th, 2012
12:22 pm
Praise The Lord God is still in control as if he weren’t I would truly be fearing for my and my family’s lives. Obama wants to gut the military and eventually totally do away with all Nucular weapons we have for Defence, yet Russia and China especially continue to build more (China). His appologetic Mid-East and submissive bowing to a Muslim King has eventually led to the Deaths of an Ambassator and 3 others showing submission and worship not to mention his Find me a way out in Afganistan even before he sent in the surge in what he called “the right war”. A gift of $770,000,000.00 by the State Dept. to rebuild Mosques in Egept, Cyprus and other Mid-East contury’s seems to breake Church & State, but then they were Muslim Churchs not Catholic, Prodistant, Baptist, or any other distroyed in Katrina, Rita, the tornados in Ala., Ark., floods in Ohio River, Mississippi River valley’s. In 8 yrs. President Bush signed 63 Executive Orders in 8 yrs. President Obama over 960 in 3 1/2 yrs. Executive orders are alresdy in place to cover the Declareing of Martial law I hope you know what that means). If a child is born in a botched abortion and is alive no medical help is to be given, but is allowed to die even though it was surviving outside the womb. This is the first President that has not passed a Budget in 3 1/2 yrs.,(Remember the Democrates had controll of both Houses of Congress 2 yrs. prior to his election and his first 2 in office. Gas has doubbled under Obama, $6 Trillion added to defficet, Clinton forced substanderd loans on the banks concerning houseing with the Baloon payments comeing 7 yrs. later under Bush. Fanny & Freddie were Clinton government programs, and can’t fail as they are backed by our tax payer money and have been run by Barnie Frank. Republicans are by no means clean, but we don’t need life-time Politictons. 12 Senate 8 House is enough. We are within very few steps of the clift that we are about to fall off. We were founded as a Republic, have passed through a Democracy, and are now a Demagogery. I do not see the United States surviving as we know it another 4 yrs. if it remains on the path of the last 3 1/2 yrs. 23,000,000 out of work, over $16 trillion in debt, shrinking Military, but most of all a nearly total disreguard for the GOD that Created All things.
MikeG
October 5th, 2012
12:34 pm
If the job rate droped to 7.8 where did the 800,000 jobs all of a sudden come from? Only 114,000 jobs were created, not enough to maintain population grouth, but all of a sudden the the outlook changes in 1 month. Come on now we arn’t all stupid and can’t use Math. Everyone has an opion and mine is there seems to be a lot of Fish in this bucket.
MikeG
October 5th, 2012
1:18 pm
Mr GT when Clinton turned the job over to Bush with the excess he had, he also had a Republican controlled Congress for the last 2 years and moved to center/right. In the end he saw that if things wqere going to get done he had to work also with Congress as the people had voted out the Democratic Left as they were tired of the same Ram it Through tech. socialist programs, so as you see you need to be able to work accross the isle, which ia supposed to be for the benifit of the Nation not a Party, but Obama closes the doors and works behind them and will even sacrifice his own people for his socialist Ideas and programs. Look how many of his Carz’s were members of the American Comminist Party or had affiliation with them. A Terriost professor, to me, is not a plus in my camp. A lot of people were physically injured due to Aires and some of Obama’s other close net company.
Steven
October 5th, 2012
4:56 pm
The article writer is a moron. And if you read anything of what he said, he completely failed to provide any proof that Romney lied. Only an extremist would believe this story and the facts that he gave somehow show Romney is looking to cut education. 1.) discretionary spending =/= education spending in anyway.. that 5% cut would likely have nothing to do with education. 2.) all the quotes you mention show that Romney wants to refinance, redistribute education spending NOT cut spending. Quit being an extremist and join the 6% of swing voters, so you can actually take in info correctly, and not completely obliterate useful knowledge with your ignorant bias and malicious intent. Insta-locking your vote based on platform is moronic, and what got our country in this mess to begin with. So in case you didn’t catch that: LEARN WHAT DISCRETIONARY SPENDING IS— IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING EXCLUSIVE TO EDUCATION– IT CONTAINS MANY NON-EDUCATIONAL SPENDING.
http://useconomy.about.com/library/fy2012budget.pdf
Page 199
Education accounted for 64 billion of non-security discretionary spending. Yet the total non-security discretionary spending is 404 billion for 2010. Yet to cut back 5% of 404 billion (20.2 billion) you HAVE to make education cuts? You can’t cut 20 billion out of the other 340 billion of non-security discretionary spending??
Jay Brookman said Romney lied– Brookman lied. STOP MANIPULATING THE IGNORANT MASSES WITH YOUR PRETTY LIES!! scumbag.
Billybob
October 5th, 2012
10:13 pm
jay 6:22am
that is fantasy land wishful thinking…..those words will come back to haunt you real soon…..love to see the liberal ideology of not taking responsibility for anything and all the excuses today and ‘romney lied’…..shows the utter incompetence and flat out dishonest and manipulative nature of your ideology…….your leftists 15 minutes are up in about a month…..
Billybob
October 5th, 2012
10:21 pm
your lack of integrity and disgusting lack of honesty will come back to haunt everyone who supports your divisive ideology…..your are a hack extraordinaire, but your mouth out in front is almost over….see nov
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October 6th, 2012
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