An unprepared, unfocused Obama pays the price

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Remember the classic nightmare in which you show up unprepared for a test in a class that you completely forgot you had?

That’s what Barack Obama looked like last night. From the opening question, he came off as unprepared, unsteady and almost uninterested in the task at hand. He found himself on defense throughout the debate, and when opportunities arose, he failed to recognize them.

As I noted last night during the live blog, Obama seemed overconfident coming in, as if he had underestimated both his opponent and the occasion. By the end of the evening, overconfidence should no longer have been a problem. As CNN noted, 67 percent of those polled who had watched the debate declared Mitt Romney the victor.

“No presidential candidate has topped 60 percent in that question since it was first asked in 1984,” CNN polling director Keating Holland pointed out.

And a good part of that was caused by Mitt Romney. He came in hungry, needing a win, and it showed in his focus and preparation. He got the better of almost every exchange, in part because at some point in his debate prep he decided to finally make the transition from “severely conservative” GOP primary candidate to general-election candidate.

The new Romney endorsed regulation of business. He dismissed tax cuts as an economic policy. He embraced his own Massachusetts health-care plan. He talked of compromise and working together. A surprised Obama wasn’t ready to handle this latest Romney incarnation and repeatedly failed to tie the moderate, genial GOP candidate on that stage in Denver to the GOP candidate on the campaign trail.

Will the outcome of this debate, the first of three between Obama and Romney, create a ripple in the polls? It almost certainly will. I doubt it will cost Obama his lead, but it should shrink it and introduce doubt in many minds that had not previously doubted. Romney had the night that he needed to keep his funders happy and his base engaged.

The next debate, covering foreign and domestic policy in a townhall forum, will be Oct. 16 at Hofstra University in New York. I suspect that they’ll be scrambling at the White House this morning to clear more time from the president’s calendar for prep work between now and then. He can’t afford a repeat of what happened last night in Denver.

– Jay Bookman

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getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:13 pm

Ray,

Don’t cry if mitt wins and the dems focus on making him a one term President.

Regnad Kcin

October 4th, 2012
12:15 pm

“Jay forces me to lie.”

Take responsibility for yourself, man! Don’t blame YOUR actions and choices on others!

It’s a shame how you let Jay dictate your actions. :)

But seriously – integrity? Get some. Take it like a man. Don’t cheat just because you can. It leads sto other bad habits.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:15 pm

A TAT — “Decided to wander into the dem’s field of dreams.”

I see. You were left homeless and you had to come to the Democrats to find help. :D

No, no, no need to thank us. It’s what we do. :D

GT

October 4th, 2012
12:15 pm

Was Mass number one before Romney got into office or was it he who made the state’s education number one?

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
12:15 pm

JHM @ 12:12

Nobody’s asked me anything. Then again, my demographic doesn’t get polled much anyway. ;)

alittlecommonsense

October 4th, 2012
12:16 pm

I think what happened last night was that John Kerry played the part of Mitt Romney in Obama’s debate prep. I think Kerry like most of the leftwingers on this blog bought into the caricature of Romney that Obama and his supporters (including the liberal media) have been promoting. So Obama practised against the liberal caricature, and was like a deer in the headlights when he met the real Romney.

Ahnald

October 4th, 2012
12:16 pm

straitroad

” Now Al Gore is blaming the altitude for obama’s confusion. When will the excuses ever end? ”

I saw the same thing, you must be kidding me, So is “Bush’s fault, high altitude, etc”

Obozo WE do not want you, leave

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:17 pm

Regnad, FWIW, A TAT is a lady. Or so I’ve heard. :D

southpaw

October 4th, 2012
12:17 pm

Republicans are spiking the ball after a touchdown but still trail by 3 td’s, and it’s late in the 4th quarter.
————————————————
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/09000d5d810a982f/Top-10-Comebacks-Colts-leap-past-Buccaneers

A TAT

October 4th, 2012
12:17 pm

….show respect TO the office.

I respect people, not offices.

I do, however, enjoy an office with a window.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:18 pm

Ahnald — “Obozo WE do not want you, leave”

Isn’t ‘Ahnald’ from Austria? :D

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
12:18 pm

they both suck,

I did not say that there is pent up demand. You did and then tried to attribute it to me. I’m merely giving an opinion as to why businesses are not investing and expanding. And for that you can get the info from liberal bloggers. After all they are the ones that are constantly posting articles of record profits by U.S. companies and cash sitting on the sidelines because companies are not hiring or expanding. The question that should be asked is why aren’t they? And my opinion is that they have little faith in the direction of the economy under this president. Do you think that business is gung ho in support of Obama’s policies? I’m sure some of Obama’s crony capitalists like GE and Jeffrey Immelt are quite happy with their green intitiative tax breaks but otherwise I don’t see a whole lot of business confidence in Obama.

Paul

October 4th, 2012
12:19 pm

Brosephus

“I figure that he’s counting on some serious economic growth to pull that off.”

That’s gotta be the understatement of the thread. And if the serious economic growth does not materialize?

Not a lot of options.

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
12:20 pm

I respect people, not offices.

Well, in your case then, show respect TO Obama. Does that make it better for you?

A TAT

October 4th, 2012
12:21 pm

Regnad:

It’s a shame how you let Jay dictate your actions.

Were I to post under my original name, I would cease to exist…mysteriously go missing.

I’m not trying to hide who I am. A TAT is a play on my original name.

I’ll be gone once Kyle returns.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:21 pm

“The new Romney endorsed regulation of business. He dismissed tax cuts as an economic policy. He embraced his own Massachusetts health-care plan. He talked of compromise and working together. A surprised Obama wasn’t ready to handle this latest Romney incarnation and repeatedly failed to tie the moderate, genial GOP candidate on that stage in Denver to the GOP candidate on the campaign trail.”

I guess Jay calls that winning but I don’t.

Our President will perform the same the next debate but will call out “the new romney” positions and lies now he is on record.

lefty_316

October 4th, 2012
12:22 pm

I did not hear what I needed to hear last night. I was looking for acknowledgement that America is a late stage military empire and, like many before, will evenutally sink itself due to its inability to control military spending. I wanted to hear that the $600 billion a year we spend on the military will be slashed to somewhere around $150 billion. I wanted to hear a candidate say he’d tell the military contractors, and their lobbyists, to take a flying leap. And lastly I wanted to hear that should the chicken-hawks think war with Iran is absolutely necessary then the military will create a new, special unit for the task, consisting soley of the chicken-hawks sons.

DannyX

October 4th, 2012
12:22 pm

“http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/09000d5d810a982f/Top-10-Comebacks-Colts-leap-past-Buccaneers”

Exactly my point southpaw, “page not found.” Thanks for the link.

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:22 pm

Thusla

Again, why would I expand if I have no current or projected demand that outpaces my current resources regardless of the economic conditions?

Even if Romney wins, people are going to be surprised when hiring doesn’t take off.

When consumer debt gets down to a more manageable level, you will see hiring get back to levels that will decrease employment.

Outside of that the areas where there is demand companies will hire, retool, purchase new facilities and equipment when needed and if the demand is not there, it is not there

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
12:23 pm

Paul: And if the serious economic growth does not materialize?

You see my point quite well. I would add that Ryan did an interview where he answered that question quite well. His point was that Romney would do the tax cut anyway, even if his math didn’t add up. Seems that while Romney is saying he won’t add to the deficit, his VP choice is saying otherwise.

I’m curious as to how many people pay enough attention to what’s said to pick up on these things.

barking frog

October 4th, 2012
12:23 pm

A Tat
where are you at at ?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 4th, 2012
12:25 pm

JAY,

Interesting take one debate from Matt Miller of Wash Post:

Summary Quote:”Romney’s critics — including me — are often frustrated that he’s been laughably inconsistent on policy over time. But, as I’ve argued before, from his point of view this criticism really doesn’t matter. Romney’s not trying to win a prize from pundits for coherence or consistency. He’s trying to win the power of the presidency. Actual consistency — as opposed to the appearance of having certain guiding principles — has surprisingly little relevance when it comes to getting to 50 percent plus one.”

“_http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/matt-miller-the-audacity-of-romney/2012/10/04/4ff3364e-0de7-11e2-bd1a-b868e65d57eb_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop

Oscar

October 4th, 2012
12:25 pm

lefty_316

October 4th, 2012
12:22 pm

_______

What they said was that Romney wants to increase defense spending and Obama wants to decrease it. That sounds like a clear choice.

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
12:26 pm

So gore said the altitude may have contributed to obamas bad performance? I guess next big al will blame it on global warming.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 4th, 2012
12:26 pm

Romney’s 5 biggest lies:

5. “Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan.” In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn’t afford the premiums, you would be s*$% out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney’s top adviser conceded after the debate was over.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-first-debate-mitt-romneys-five-biggest-lies-20121004#ixzz28LeTmN00

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:26 pm

Thulsa

Also, I asked you a question and based on that question asked you to provide specifics. If you say their isn’t “pent up demand” then of course you wouldn’t have specifics to back it up, right?

Did not attribute anything to you. You said I did

I did however ask that question in response to your earlier post about businesses not expanding.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:26 pm

frog,

Moonbat betty?

A TAT

October 4th, 2012
12:27 pm

Brosephus:

Well, in your case then, show respect TO Obama.

Hard to do since he’s kept the curtains drawn on his office windows.

No disrespect…just indifferent to his plight. He wanted it but doesn’t know what to do with it. Not entirely HIS fault. I blame it on the people who voted for him. He was ill-prepared to lead.

Oscar

October 4th, 2012
12:27 pm

On taxes, fact is that Congress passes the tax laws, the President does not. All he can do is propose to Congress, but they make those decisions.

Morality?

October 4th, 2012
12:27 pm

Obama is tired of defending his failed policies…… and it showed. If an honest man knows he is lying eventually he will get tired of it. That is where Obama is now.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:27 pm

T. Doom — “I’m merely giving an opinion as to why businesses are not investing and expanding. And for that you can get the info from liberal bloggers. After all they are the ones that are constantly posting articles of record profits by U.S. companies and cash sitting on the sidelines because companies are not hiring or expanding. The question that should be asked is why aren’t they? And my opinion is that they have little faith in the direction of the economy under this president.”

I don’t buy it.

The stock market’s been on a strong upward trend for several years, marked by fine corporate profits. So if businesses aren’t deploying assets to *capture* some of that lightning in a bottle and lack of faith is the ostensible reason, then I think we’re seeing faith-based business management, not reality-based business management.

Look, you don’t have to believe Obama’s good for business at all. In fact, you can ignore the fact that he’s even President. Just look at the markets. Look at the P/L sheets of publicly traded companies. Look at the P/E statements. Businesses are *primed* to do a whole lot of business and make a whole lot of money. And claiming the President as the reason they’re not trying to get it simply strikes me as sophistry.

If it’s true, then I think we have a lot of whiny wusses running American businesses.

If it’s not true, then I’d like to know — from their own mouths — what they think is behind it.

Frankly, I personally think that they feel the American market is tapped out from both a consumer and a producer standpoint. There’s a lot of individual and family debt in this country, so Americans are hard to pry loose from their cash. It’s much cheaper to go overseas to take advantage of inexpensive labor (lowers your production costs) and unsophisticated consumers who will gladly snarf up your cheaply made products (increases your gross revenue).

In short, I think businesses — especially large ones — don’t see the US as being worth it any more. IMO, calling it the President’s fault is just simplistic and juvenile.

southpaw

October 4th, 2012
12:27 pm

DannyX@12:22

Get your computer checked, then. I clicked on the link and the page came up fine.

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
12:28 pm

“And I don’t recall Maddow or anybody else showing as much animosity and disrespect to Bush as what’s been thrown at Obama”

You have got to be effing kidding me. For an encore you’re probably going to try and tell me that people out there didn’t say that W blew up the twin towers, or that he let New Orleans suffer needlessly because he hates black people, or that they didn’t run commercials saying black people would be in physical danger if W was re-elected with the daughter of James Byrd suggesting this. Unfreakingbelievable. The hate directed towards W by celebrities, the media in general, and left wing interests was palpable. Where did all the war protesters go? Where did code pink go? That’s right. They disappeared the day O got elected. They were never as much anti-war as they were anti-bush. When they start protesting Obama drone bombing civilians in Pakistani villages then I will take them seriously. Until then they are just part of the usual hate cabal towards W that people like you seem to think never existed.

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:28 pm

Stevie

Thanks for posting that article. I think that can be said for any given two candidates who would have been on the stage last night.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 4th, 2012
12:28 pm

GETALIFE,

C’mon, even the entire staff of MSNBC disagree with you…your guy got blasted…its ok to admit it..I hear from lefty sites now that OBAMA INTENTIONALLY LOST IN ORDER TO EFFECT THE ROPE-A-DOPE..

Clutching at straws…

Oscar

October 4th, 2012
12:29 pm

Still: Pats by three.

Jimmy

October 4th, 2012
12:29 pm

Funny that a lot of the cons on here are trumping up the victory for Romney. He may have won on style, and being able to spin the answers, but he has no plan and no details.

Keep taxes on the wealthy and cut middle class taxes? How? As Mitt said, ” I want to bring down the tax burden on middle-income families. And I’m going to work together with Congress to say, OK, what — what are the various ways we could bring down deductions, for instance? One way, for instance, would be to have a single number. Make up a number, $25,000, $50,000. Anybody can have deductions up to that amount.”

He doesn’t even know what is in his tax plan, yet he wins the debate? Hardly…..

aon

October 4th, 2012
12:30 pm

@ “get a life’. You are funny and I agree that Big Bird was the loser. However, I have to say I am a bigger Mitt fan this morning. As trite as it may sound I appreciate the fact that Mitt did not skirt around unpopular truths. He’s going to stop government funding of Public Television and that’s ok. The private sector is their biggest contributor and I’m sure the private sector will continue to do what needs to be done to keep Big Bird alive. I wonder if Obama agrees or if he is still “formulating” his opinion on Big Bird’s fate.

I also did not originally plan to watch all of the debate, but I was so awestruck by Mitt’s performance that I am actually looking forward to the next debate. Maybe Obama’s camp should reach out to The View and cancel his next appearance so he can spend a little more time preparing.

barking frog

October 4th, 2012
12:30 pm

getalife
nope. think bazooms.

td

October 4th, 2012
12:30 pm

I have been watching MSNBC all morning and below is a laundry list of why Obama lost from the lib pundits:

President was unprepared because he has a job to do.
Campaigns fault for not preparing him to take on Romney.
4 corners defense because Obama is so far ahead.
Did not want to hurt his likeability.
Fox news angry black man video and it made him be two careful.

Rightwing Troll

October 4th, 2012
12:31 pm

Maybe the man won the debate last night, but he sure dug himself s deeeeeeppppp hole… I suspect if he does manage to actually get elected, he’s gonna have a hard time doing all those things he promised…

DannyX

October 4th, 2012
12:31 pm

New poll out.

Question: Who do you think won the debate?

Obama 28%
Romney 11%
Tie 12%
Romney’s Etch-a-Sketch 49%

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
12:31 pm

No disrespect…just indifferent to his plight.

Understandable. I see things a wee bit different though, but that’s just me. I think the person holding the office deserves a baseline level of respect simply for being President. Regardless to feelings towards the person or politics, they are still the head of the country where we live. I understand, though, that not all people will see things that way, and that’s perfectly ok with me.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:32 pm

I will stand with our President, country and analysis of this debate.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 4th, 2012
12:33 pm

Now Al Gore is blaming the altitude for obama’s confusion. When will the excuses ever end?

GORE BLAMES THE ALTITUDE!

drudgey spam

Rightwing Troll

October 4th, 2012
12:34 pm

“I have been watching MSNBC all morning and below is a laundry list of why Obama lost from the lib pundits:

President was unprepared because he has a job to do.
Campaigns fault for not preparing him to take on Romney.
4 corners defense because Obama is so far ahead.
Did not want to hurt his likeability.
Fox news angry black man video and it made him be two careful.”

And this is different from all the “conservatives’ bleating and whining over the last 3 weeks how?

“MSM is biased”
“All those polls are skewed”
etc…

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:34 pm

President Obama is blasting the new romney in his stump speech.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 4th, 2012
12:34 pm

record profits by U.S. companies and cash sitting on the sidelines because companies are not hiring or expanding. The question that should be asked is why aren’t they? And my opinion is that they have little faith in the direction of the economy under this president.”

Posted by someone who has never had a job? Demand drives business planning. You add capacity as demand dictates, not because of who is in the white house.

jeez, are these people considered educated?

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
12:35 pm

You have got to be effing kidding me.

Nope. You tend to forget that for a substantial amount of time, Bush had very high approval ratings from both sides of the political spectrum. Only after things dragged on in Afg/Iraq and AFTER Katrina, did Bush catch loads of flak for his actions/policies. I didn’t think highly of those who showed disrespect to Bush just as I don’t think highly of those who disrespect Obama. The big difference between the two is that, some on the right have shown NO respect for Obama since 01/20/2009.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 4th, 2012
12:35 pm

Oh no….Romney is already walking back some of this lies from last night. How embarrassing.

larry

October 4th, 2012
12:35 pm

Well, i actually saw the debate twice because i could not believe what i was hearing from Romney. All the things that he has campaigned against, he was for last night. Instead of Romney 2012, we got Romney 1994.

What is going to be interesting is, what is he going to say on the campaign trail and what is he going to tell Mr. Ryan, that his economic plan is now under the bus.

Obama was unprepared because of the Romney switcheroo. But i bet the next debate they will be prepared for which ever Romney shows up.

Paul

October 4th, 2012
12:35 pm

Brosephus

“’I’m curious as to how many people pay enough attention to what’s said to pick up on these things.”

About as many as visit Jays blog.

Which is why it would be a great Biden question during the VP debate. First let Ryan answer a question about his past proposals which he dismisses with “that was when I was a Congressman, now I’m on the ticket and I’m supporting Romney’s plan.”

Then followup up with the point you made – “So if economic growth to generate revenue doesn’t happen, Romney would do the tax cut anyway, even if his math didn’t add up.”

‘course, all the cons will hear is ‘tax cut for Job Creators” and they’ll think ‘ahhhh…. Ryan got Romney back on track….”

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:36 pm

Thank you Mr. President.

Tear him a new one.

A new mitt romney is probably one of the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Rightwing Troll

October 4th, 2012
12:36 pm

Romney “loves coal”… it must be the “right height”…

Michael

October 4th, 2012
12:37 pm

What a catastrophe! There I was at 9 pm ready to view the competition. The competitors were at the ready. Then, the referee stepped in and said the lighting was inadequate. Apparently, there was a generator, or transformer, failure at estadio Centenario. The teams spent about 20 minutes waiting on the field and then returned to their locker rooms. At about 9:30 they cancelled the match. So, no Brazil v Argentina – woe is me.
So, I repaired to CSPAN and CNN for the debate. CNN was interesting as they have a little box at the bottom of the screen which follows the reaction of uncommitted voters. As has been the case for the last few elections, the line for the women goes up, when Obama speaks, and the line for the men goes up, when Romney speaks. That pattern held through all the debate.
At the end they asked the uncommitted voters if they had decided. Eight said they would now vote for Romney, and eight said they would now vote for Obama. I don’t see that as a resounding victory/defeat.
In the end I expect Ohio to vote for the administration that saved the auto industry. I also expect Florida to vote for the administration that has the goal of saving medicare and social security.
When Mitt said he would not propose a tax cut that would increase the deficit, I remembered similar promises by Ronald Reagan and George Bush. At that point I changed the channel, again.

A TAT

October 4th, 2012
12:38 pm

Brosephus:

Have you ever wondered why Obama didn’t replace his cronies? I don’t think they’ve served him well. Most presidents do change out towards the end of their first term.

Purely speculation on my part, but I think he’s afraid to go it alone. They were, afterall, the ones who nurtured him along the way…from community organizer, to senator, to The Oval Office.

His groomers if you will.

barking frog

October 4th, 2012
12:38 pm

I think Obama’s difficulty
can be attributed to
anthropogenic local
warming. Mitt turned up
the heat

Mary Elizabeth

October 4th, 2012
12:38 pm

“If you want to be president, you cannot dance around your policies; you owe the American people the truth.” President Obama of Mitt Romney, 12:33 pm, 10/04/12, Campaign Speech, outside Denver, Colorado

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:39 pm

getalife

I haven’t checked and factchecking sites or read any articles to determine who half truthed and lied the most.

You could certainly be correct that Obama was more truthful in terms of his answers.

However, majority of people of all political stripes like to see the “sizzle”. Romney gave the viewing audience just that. How well it resonates will not be known for a few days, but it certainly gave the Romney camp some momentum and that is why I say he “won” round 1. Well actually it is really round 9 of a 12 round fight. Rounds 10 & 11 will be there next two debates and round 12 will be election day.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:39 pm

There is not a new mitt romney.

It is the same flip flopping liar.

Once again,” conventional wisdom” is bs.

Morality?

October 4th, 2012
12:39 pm

Obama does not believe what he is saying. His heart isn’t in it. Romney does believe in what he is saying. Obama’s handlers are turning him in to a ZOMBIE puppet for Nanny Pelosi and Hairy Weed. Obama needs to get the balls to tell them to back off. He is getting to much pressure and advice from the far left and they intimidate him.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:40 pm

Both,

Whatever.

I call bs bs.

RB from Gwinnett

October 4th, 2012
12:40 pm

Finn, you’re posting crap from rolling stone and you want people to take it seriously?

I do think its interesting in all the conversation people have about pre existing conditions nobody ever discusses what the premiums will be to cover the condition. Here’s a tip, it costs a lot more to cover a Ferrari than a 20 year old accord with 250000 miles on it for a reason. If you think the premiums for a 53 year old male with heart disease is going to be $20/mo. More than a healthy 25 year old, it’s not.

That Black Guy

October 4th, 2012
12:42 pm

Two politicians caught lying. Whodathunkit? :roll:

Summary
We found exaggerations and false claims flying thick and fast during the first debate between President Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

■Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.
■Romney again promised to “not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans” and also to “lower taxes on middle-income families,” but didn’t say how he could possibly accomplish that without also increasing the deficit.
■Obama oversold his health care law, claiming that health care premiums have “gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.” That’s true of health care spending, but not premiums. And the health care law had little to do with the slowdown in overall spending.
■Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits.
■Obama said 5 million private-sector jobs had been created in the past 30 months. Perhaps so, but that counts jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics won’t add to the official monthly tallies until next year. For now, the official tally is a bit over 4.6 million.
■Romney accused Obama of doubling the federal deficit. Not true. The annual deficit was already running at $1.2 trillion when Obama took office.
■Obama again said he’d raise taxes on upper-income persons only to the “rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president.” Actually, many high-income persons would pay more than they did then, because of new taxes in Obama’s health care law.
■Romney claimed that middle-income Americans have “seen their income come down by $4,300.” That’s too high. Census figures show the decline in median household income during Obama’s first three years was $2,492, even after adjusting for inflation.
■Obama again touted his “$4 trillion” deficit reduction plan, which includes $1 trillion from winding down wars that are coming to an end in any event.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_21696057/fact-check-presidential-debate-missteps?source=most_viewed

USMC

October 4th, 2012
12:42 pm

Mitt Romney= Captain of Industry; Experienced Leader of Men

Obama= Captain of Socialist Idealism; NO experience/Thin suit puppet of the Left

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
12:42 pm

“I don’t buy it.”- Joe Mama

It doesn’t matter what you think. Or me or anyone else on here. What matters is what businesses think about the economy and future prospects.

“The stock market’s been on a strong upward trend for several years, marked by fine corporate profits. So if businesses aren’t deploying assets to *capture* some of that lightning in a bottle and lack of faith is the ostensible reason, then I think we’re seeing faith-based business management, not reality-based business management.”- Joe mama

Large profits are part of the reason for the strong stock market. Another reason is all the money printing. Did you notice what happened when QE3 was announced? Stock prices surged. The reason given by the financial pundits is because all of that fresh cash has to go somewhere and it will go into equities. So part of the runup could very well be illusory.

“Frankly, I personally think that they feel the American market is tapped out from both a consumer and a producer standpoint. There’s a lot of individual and family debt in this country, so Americans are hard to pry loose from their cash.”- Joe mama

That’s about as *simplistic and juvenile* reasoning as the reasons that I proffered as to why the business is not expanding. The second problem is that it does not jive with what the liberals on here are constantly preaching about pent up demand in the middle class. The third problem is that the liberals on here have often opined that Obama’s policies of tax cuts to the middle class and the stimulus aimed toward the middle class would release this pent up demand and grow the economy. To date it not only has not worked but has failed miserably. It would seem that you have some explaining to do to the other liberals on here. Or they have some splaining to do to you.

“It’s much cheaper to go overseas to take advantage of inexpensive labor (lowers your production costs) and unsophisticated consumers who will gladly snarf up your cheaply made products (increases your gross revenue).”- Joe Mama

So. As for those *unsophisticated consumers* sounds like just more of that liberal elitism coming through again. Looks like you and big gubment know better than these *unsophisticated consumers* that you deride.

“In short, I think businesses — especially large ones — don’t see the US as being worth it any more.”-Joe Mama

Sounds like another *simplistic and juvenile* explanation IMO.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:43 pm

A new mitt romney?

Come on , give me a freaking break.

Lets get real, that is total bs.

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:44 pm

getalife

Call it what you want, but people like “sizzle”.

I’m not saying it is a good thing, but it is what it is.

Why do you think Huntsman faded so fast even though he seems to be very sensible?

larry

October 4th, 2012
12:44 pm

do think its interesting in all the conversation people have about pre existing conditions nobody ever discusses what the premiums will be to cover the condition

So we just send him to the ER , which makes premiums go up further and faster .

Or he can go to the doctor, to help manage his heart disease , which is cheaper than the ER, which means premiums go up slower.

Soldier Mom

October 4th, 2012
12:46 pm

Questions for the Romney group:
How does the economy grow without having a middle class with purchasing power?
How do you reduce the deficit by lowering taxes?
What loopholes does he want to close?
What will Mitt replace ACA with?
How is he going to grow jobs?
Where are the details?
and why has he said one thing for 18 months and then reversed said positions in one debate?
Who is the real Mitt?

DannyX

October 4th, 2012
12:46 pm

“Finn, you’re posting crap from rolling stone and you want people to take it seriously?”

You’ve got to be kidding, RB!!!

4 years ago you were claiming the real estate market was in great shape because of something you saw on a highway billboard! A freaking billboard!

USMC

October 4th, 2012
12:46 pm

More CNNey Spam… :-)

CNN Poll: Most watchers say Romney debate winner; 67% to 25%
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/03/cnn-poll-romney-wins-debate-by-big-margin/

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
12:46 pm

Kamchak at 11:33. I actually watched a clip on “Business Insider”. Gore said it. Sorry it doesn’t work with your agenda.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:47 pm

USMC — “Mitt Romney= Captain of Industry; Experienced Leader of Men”

The closest Romney’s ever been to actual “industry” is when that mining company forced those miners to take an unpaid day off to be window dressing for his campaign experience.

And Romney doesn’t actually “lead” anyone. He is, however, an experienced *firer* of men. Women, too.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 4th, 2012
12:47 pm

Cutting the deficit by defunding PBS is like cutting calories by not putting ice cubes in your soft drink

Heh, heh, heh.

larry

October 4th, 2012
12:47 pm

Mitt Romney= Captain of Industry; Experienced Leader of Men

Mitt Romney=Leverage Buyout Expert, Experienced Leader of laidoff people.

And i still would like to know how he got over 100 million into his IRA when we , by law, can only put in $5,000 a year?

USMC

October 4th, 2012
12:47 pm

The Leftwing-nuts are Foaming at the Mouth with Hate and Anger… :-)

Chris Matthews Freaks Out At Obama: “What Was He Doing?”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_out_at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

Mr Right

October 4th, 2012
12:47 pm

12:13 pm

Ray,

Don’t cry if mitt wins and the dems focus on making him a one term Presiden

Duh!! That’s what the opposing party does! Do you think they are going to try give him another term?

td

October 4th, 2012
12:48 pm

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:40 pm

Both,

Whatever.

I call bs bs.

The SNL skit about true believing Obama voters fits you perfectly. You would still say Obama won the debate if he sacrificed a child on stage,

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
12:48 pm

“The big difference between the two is that, some on the right have shown NO respect for Obama since 01/20/2009.”

Brocephus,

If you don’t think that some on the left gave NO respect for W since the day the man walked into office then I just don’t know what to say to that. That is just plain delusional.

JamVet

October 4th, 2012
12:48 pm

Romney does believe in what he is saying.

Incredible, huh?

Adult human beings who actually write stuff like this…

http://asaguppies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/red-moscow-male.jpg

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 4th, 2012
12:48 pm

I actually watched a clip on “Business Insider”.

I actually went to drudgey and saw it there.

Sorry that drudgey embarrasses you.

A TAT

October 4th, 2012
12:49 pm

TBs:

There was an arrogance about Huntsman that I couldn’t come to appreciate.

His daughters’ cutesy campaign videos were beyond silly.

His enthusiastic support for China would’ve kept him from winning.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:50 pm

Both,

I think it is an insult to my intelligence.

A new mitt romney means he flipped flopped from all his stump speeches and previous bs.

Still lying and flip flopping is not new.

It is the same ole mitt romney.

Call it like it is.

larry

October 4th, 2012
12:50 pm

CNN Poll: Most watchers say Romney debate winner; 67% to 25%

Its skewed toward Republicans. Because that’s all they polled were Republicans.

Just thought i would throw that in there.

Oscar

October 4th, 2012
12:50 pm

larry

October 4th, 2012
12:44 pm

_____

Premiums will go up. Being saying that all along. And the American people want it. But the premiums are going up anyway.
The way to provide medicare to people who can’t afford insurance is to build more hospitals like Grady. Public hospitals.

DannyX

October 4th, 2012
12:50 pm

“More CNNey Spam”

Thanks for that CNN poll link USMC. Would you mind posting the cross tabs?

That poll only had responses from white people, old people, and people living in the south.

Would that qualify as being a “skewed poll”?

JamVet

October 4th, 2012
12:51 pm

Mitt Romney= Experienced Leader of Men

Wow!

And to think that an ex-marine would write that!

Leadership sure ain’t what it used to be! And neither are the “led”!

USMC

October 4th, 2012
12:51 pm

Gore Blames Altitude for Obama’s Debate Woes
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gores-blames-altitude-obamas-debate-woes_653613.html

The level of dishonesty is astonishing. Obama was MANHANDLED by an ADULT last night.

But in all honesty, it wasn’t all of Obama’s fault because:

LIBERAL/SOCIALIST IDEALS ARE HARD TO DEFEND; they are irrational FEELINGS based good intentions that rarely make any sense. :-)

barking frog

October 4th, 2012
12:52 pm

Obamacare
1.You must buy health ins.
2.Insurance co.’s can charge
what they want but must
spend 80% to providers or
rebate to policyholders.
3. Providers can charge
what they want.

Result: providers get more
money

Morality?

October 4th, 2012
12:52 pm

Next the V.P. debate with that funny guy – Joe Biden…….. if you want to sleep good just tune in to Je for 15 minutes and you will be snoozing like a baby. After Joe the Dems will be 0 for 2. Don’t how important these debates are because Obama’s voters probably won’t tune in any way ……. of the few undecideds at least half of them won’t vote. The trick is to get the majority of the other half to show up and vote for you.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 4th, 2012
12:53 pm

Seems Mitt win last night is not so bright and shiney.

Fact checkers have been busy as bees all day pointing
out the lies and backtracking.

Did the President give Romney enough to hang himself?

The plot most certainly thickens.

JamVet

October 4th, 2012
12:54 pm

There was a arrogance rational intelligence about Huntsman that I couldn’t come to appreciate tolerate.

It’s all good though. Mitt playing the mental midget for his devoted low IQ base is much more entertaining…

RB from Gwinnett

October 4th, 2012
12:54 pm

Larry, if you are a Kia dealer and the government comes along and tells you you must sell ferraris too, are you going to sell them for the same price as the Kia? Think about it?

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:54 pm

Mr. Right,

I remember when Americans united after a collapse or a attack.

I guess you are right, those days are gone.

Party first.

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:54 pm

getalife

No need to be angry man. I’m not here saying that Romney wooed people with substance nor am I in anyway attempting to insult your intelligence.

Romney needed momentum and seized the moment. That in itself doesn’t say he was anymore truthful or say he will do the same in the next two debates.

Like you, I am providing my opinion. Election day will be all that counts, but the debates could sway the election one way or another

USMC

October 4th, 2012
12:55 pm

Boy, isn’t that the truth… :-)

Leadership sure ain’t what it used to be! And neither are the “led”!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

I think Amvet is unhappy because he needs to get fitted for a new Yarmulke for his new undertaking; that of a RABBI. Rabbi Jamvet, kind of has a ring to it. :-)

Paul

October 4th, 2012
12:55 pm

larry

“And i still would like to know how he got over 100 million into his IRA when we , by law, can only put in $5,000 a year?”

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/08/11/mitt_romneys_ira_is_unlikely_centerpiece_of_wealth_and_tax_avoidance/

Sounds like it was legal.

Interesting to see if that’s the kind of loophole for the wealthy Romney will propose to close.

larry

October 4th, 2012
12:56 pm

The Leftwing-nuts are Foaming at the Mouth with Hate and Anger…

Foaming at the Mouth ? LOL!!

Romney wins one debate by going against everything he has campaigned for, and the right goes nuts.

Foaming at the Mouth? I see it as more as an overeaction.

Morality?

October 4th, 2012
12:56 pm

Jay – when you are surrounded with groveling yes men (and women) like Obama is in D.C. you are used to being agreed with. Maybe Obama won’t sleep walk through the next debate. Being on “The View” and Letterman and having idiots Maher telling him how great he is made Obama feel invincible. His attitude appeared to be that he is to important to debate.