An unprepared, unfocused Obama pays the price

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Remember the classic nightmare in which you show up unprepared for a test in a class that you completely forgot you had?

That’s what Barack Obama looked like last night. From the opening question, he came off as unprepared, unsteady and almost uninterested in the task at hand. He found himself on defense throughout the debate, and when opportunities arose, he failed to recognize them.

As I noted last night during the live blog, Obama seemed overconfident coming in, as if he had underestimated both his opponent and the occasion. By the end of the evening, overconfidence should no longer have been a problem. As CNN noted, 67 percent of those polled who had watched the debate declared Mitt Romney the victor.

“No presidential candidate has topped 60 percent in that question since it was first asked in 1984,” CNN polling director Keating Holland pointed out.

And a good part of that was caused by Mitt Romney. He came in hungry, needing a win, and it showed in his focus and preparation. He got the better of almost every exchange, in part because at some point in his debate prep he decided to finally make the transition from “severely conservative” GOP primary candidate to general-election candidate.

The new Romney endorsed regulation of business. He dismissed tax cuts as an economic policy. He embraced his own Massachusetts health-care plan. He talked of compromise and working together. A surprised Obama wasn’t ready to handle this latest Romney incarnation and repeatedly failed to tie the moderate, genial GOP candidate on that stage in Denver to the GOP candidate on the campaign trail.

Will the outcome of this debate, the first of three between Obama and Romney, create a ripple in the polls? It almost certainly will. I doubt it will cost Obama his lead, but it should shrink it and introduce doubt in many minds that had not previously doubted. Romney had the night that he needed to keep his funders happy and his base engaged.

The next debate, covering foreign and domestic policy in a townhall forum, will be Oct. 16 at Hofstra University in New York. I suspect that they’ll be scrambling at the White House this morning to clear more time from the president’s calendar for prep work between now and then. He can’t afford a repeat of what happened last night in Denver.

– Jay Bookman

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JamVet

October 4th, 2012
11:29 am

Good to see at least one Republican (Kint) acknowledge that PBS was in the tank for Romney. The conservative mainstream media did it’s job last night…

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
11:29 am

“So Mitt should be immune to criticism”

Adam,

Where and when did I opine or even suggest that Mitt should be immune from criticism?

He shouldn’t be just as Obama shouldn’t be immune to criticism. You keep missing a very simple point which is simply that taking a cheapshot against one individual is beneath the presidency. Someone like a Trump or a Limbaugh are beneath the president responding directly to them. How you construe that to thinking that mitt should be immune to criticism is beyond me.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:30 am

If you say mitt won on style so be it.

I don’t look at style or what they looked at. That is silly.

I look for consistency and change in positions.

I read the transcript following the debate to confirm what I heard.

I don’t listen to corporate media or pundits grading on style.

So, I say our President won the arguments easily.

BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)

October 4th, 2012
11:30 am

Rumor has it that o is going to wear a sleeveless outfit next debate. It seems to work for Michelle.

Jm

October 4th, 2012
11:31 am

Steve – fly treat

On the upside, there is probably lots of food on the wall to eat

Downside risk – you may get squashed as collateral damage from projectiles

MC

October 4th, 2012
11:31 am

Fact of the matter here is that Romney still HAS to win Florida AND Ohio to get elected. That’s another of his problems.

JamVet

October 4th, 2012
11:32 am

Mitt lacked substantive FACTS last night, though. But that doesn’t particularly matter in debates… ever.

A sad indictment of our willfully unempowered, gladly ignorant and compliant electorate…

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
11:32 am

“That’s a con fable, which has been debunked her many, many times. Jay’s even debunked it himself a time or two.”

Joe mama,

If that’s a fable then how did Obama push through Obamacare without a single Republican vote?

St Simons

October 4th, 2012
11:34 am

i don’t know where they’ve been,

but if this will keep them away from children
and from blowing up buildings
well, i think we’re all for it

Jm

October 4th, 2012
11:35 am

“I look for consistency”

The hobgoblin of small minds….

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
11:38 am

Last night we saw “hoax and chains” in its full splendor.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
11:38 am

Oscar & td — I searched the transcript. Romney does not specify regulations that he supports. And he doesn’t support Dodd-Frank; in fact he said he’d repeal it and replace it with something better. He said that he liked some of the provisions in Dodd-Frank, but when pressed by Lehrer, he didn’t respond.

I’m stilll hoping that someone can show me some examples of Federal regulations that Romney likes and supports. AFAICS, he’s only been saying HULK SMASH on regulation and I haven’t seen any HULK LIKE BEANS from him yet.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:38 am

I doubt PBS was in the tank for romney since he wants to end PBS.

Jim got bullied by romney and romney does not have a job so he could practice more.

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
11:40 am

Getalife at 11:30 – enjoy your party of one.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
11:40 am

A TAT — “As is often the case with government. Regulations piled atop regulations.”

Thanks for posting Rommey’s perpetuation of the myth that eeeeeevil homebuyers crashed the economy. It’s been thoroughly debunked, but it’s clearly still an article of faith with the con rank and file.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:40 am

Joe,

He is leaving the details to congress so that is all we get out of mitt.

DannyX

October 4th, 2012
11:40 am

“Fact of the matter here is that Romney still HAS to win Florida AND Ohio to get elected.”

Exactly. Romney may win Florida but Obama is still going to win Ohio. The electoral map is still Romney’s biggest problem. Republicans are spiking the ball after a touchdown but still trail by 3 td’s, and it’s late in the 4th quarter.

Tom(Independent Viet Vet-USAF)

October 4th, 2012
11:40 am

AUfan@7;49 – Just had to comment on this, you said” Obama killed Osama Bin Laden”. We now find out Obama wanted Osama captured, given his rights and tried in a court of law. Killing him was only a last resort. Perhaps Judge Judy or Joe Brown had an opening for a case on their calendar?

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
11:42 am

getalife at 11:38. Perhaps obama should have practiced more rather than going to vegas on a fundraiser or to the lovefest known as “The View”.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:42 am

Fred,

Sorry for being consistent like our President.

I still think facts, positions and policies matter.

gm

October 4th, 2012
11:42 am

Please Mitt, win so some of these poor, middle class whites can send their sons to die in the wars he will start, while his sons take vacation in the islands, this has got to be the dumbest bunch of Rep ever in the history of this country.

Fly-On-The-Wall

October 4th, 2012
11:44 am

Fred,

So when Romney goes on the View or any other program – especially FOX – then that’s alright but the President must stay locked up in the White House all the time? Where were you when Bush spent so much time at the ranch on vacation?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
11:44 am

Doom — “He shouldn’t be just as Obama shouldn’t be immune to criticism. You keep missing a very simple point which is simply that taking a cheapshot against one individual is beneath the presidency. Someone like a Trump or a Limbaugh are beneath the president responding directly to them.”

The President wasn’t *responding* to Trump. He was responding to *Romney.*

Obama used Trump as as example of how farked the defnition of “small business” has become. If the definition of “small business” is such that a wealthy magnate like Donald Trump would benefit from tax changes intended to benefit only small businesses, then there’s clearly something wrong with that definition of “small business.”

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
11:45 am

getalife at 11:42. Too bad obama doesn’t share you sentiments.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
11:45 am

Doom — “If that’s a fable then how did Obama push through Obamacare without a single Republican vote?”

Moosa said “two years.” It wasn’t even *half* that long. Moosa overstated his case.

FBS

October 4th, 2012
11:46 am

Hannah

October 4th, 2012
11:28 am

Just look at the arguments here. Everybody has a set of figures, stats, and arguments about this economy, economic “plans” and you know what? Not many people can or will sort through and the murkiness. But when you say I’ll take your right to choose, I’ll make birth control illegal, or I’ll deport your mom and dad, that’s when it gets real easy to understand. That stuff definitely will win or lose an election for you.

This gal nailed it.

Erwin's cat

October 4th, 2012
11:46 am

Entertaining reading today….thanks for making a day at the airport pass by a ill quicker….

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:46 am

jm,

Just one name silly.

Tealiban Party

October 4th, 2012
11:46 am

Obama missed out on a huge opportunity last night.

Mitt says that he will keep taxes the same on the upper class, lower taxes on the middle class, but keep revenue neutral. So who is left making up the difference? The poor. Obama should have called Mitt out for planning to stick it to the 47% moochers…..

This just means Obama has to work harder this next month, and go for the jugular.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
11:47 am

DannyX — “Exactly. Romney may win Florida but Obama is still going to win Ohio. The electoral map is still Romney’s biggest problem. Republicans are spiking the ball after a touchdown but still trail by 3 td’s, and it’s late in the 4th quarter.”

I was thinking more along the lines of a safety, not a touchdown.

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
11:47 am

Fly-on-the-wall.

My post went over your head. No surprise.

I was responding to the leftie who was whining that obama didn’t have time to prepare for the debate.

JamVet

October 4th, 2012
11:48 am

Who is “moderating” (LOL) the next debate?

Donnie Birther Trump? Lush Limbaugh? Steamin’ Hot Sean Hannity?

(Ratings matter! Just ask the sponsors…)

Old Goober

October 4th, 2012
11:48 am

I’m not interested in electing a debater. I want a president who will look out for the interests of people like me and my family. Some of the stuff appealing to the masses left me scratching my head. So the federal government is going to force every state to develop a health care act? Or is Romney saying only those states that want to develop such an act should do so, while millions get left out in the cold? So the insurance companies have no say in how doctors treat patients, while Obamacare has an “unelected board” to govern treatment? News to me. I know what treatments my insurer will pay for, and I have a multi-page formulary of drugs that indicates what the insurer prefers. So everybody gets a tax cut, while the deficit magically disappears because millions and millions more people will be working and paying taxes? If tax cuts work so magically, how come we have an unemployment rate above 5%? We’ve had the Reagan tax cuts, the Bush/Obama tax cuts, and yet I don’t see those tax cuts moving the needle. So I don’t need to worry my grizzled old head about what happens to Medicare for the younger generations? I don’t need to be concerned with the fact that the insurance companies will pick up the healthier seniors, while dumping the sickest and costliest onto traditional Medicare?

Somebody’s obfuscating, and I suspect I know which one.

Reality

October 4th, 2012
11:48 am

Georgians back republicans. Of course they will say that Romney won. Duh.

Obama will win re-election. Take it to the bank.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:49 am

I should add mitt was consistent in his lies but he told us fact checks do not matter.

I find it bizarre claiming victory for that but American politics is very bizarre these days.

Paul

October 4th, 2012
11:49 am

Granted, I skimmed thru the comments, but one thing I haven’t seen addressed by our conservative friends on here who’ve been the most vocal in denouncing Pres Obama and in supporting Gov Romney:

Romney said no tax cuts for the wealthy. None. Said they’re doing just fine.

So what do you think of this repudiation of all you’ve been posting for months, that the rich are overtaxed, they carry far more of the tax burden than anyone, , they’re the job creators and they need tax cuts so they can hire people and get the economy moving?

It was a direct slap in the face to the Republican mainstream orthodoxy.

What do you have to say about it, cons?

Anyone?

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
11:49 am

I’ve heard a lot of excuses for obama today but I’ve yet to hear one whiner blame his poor debate performance on bush. Did you guys and gals forget that one?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
11:49 am

JamVet — “Donnie Birther Trump? Lush Limbaugh? Steamin’ Hot Sean Hannity?”

Orly Taitz? :D

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:50 am

Paul,

Regulations too.

stands for decibels

October 4th, 2012
11:50 am

Can someone tell me why righties are so bat-crap crazy about Obama having appeared on the View?

thanks in advance.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:51 am

jm,

I don’t think Fred will appreciate you using his name.

JamVet

October 4th, 2012
11:51 am

I think Mann Coulter needs to orchestrate the next sitcom debate. She could call the prez a f*ggot…

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
11:51 am

The President wasn’t *responding* to Trump. He was responding to *Romney.*

Joe mama,

I understand that he was responding to Romney. And a comment about Trump as a billionaire receiving preferential tax treatment would have been just fine. But using the occasion as an opportunity to take a personal dig at Trump was petty and beneath the presidency.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
11:51 am

Paul — “Romney said no tax cuts for the wealthy. None. Said they’re doing just fine.”

Go***mnit, I paid for my tax cut FAIR AND SQUARE!!!!!

–Sheldon Adelson

Morality?

October 4th, 2012
11:51 am

In the fairy land known as “D.C” Obama is used to everyone fawning over him and telling him how perfect, brilliant and great he is. Debate is in the real world – not fairy land. Probably less than a 3rd of the voters watched the debate and half of them won’t vote. This debate will encourage more of the fence sitters to vote Romney. Obama looked lost and unprepared.

Fly-On-The-Wall

October 4th, 2012
11:52 am

Mitt might be a moderate but the people behind him are not. I believed that Bush could have really been the compassionate conservative but with a full Republican Congress behind him I knew things would be bad. I see the same thing with Mitt as he’s not been able to stand up to the extreme right wing of his party.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:52 am

Stands,

Because there is only one con on that show.

MiltonMan

October 4th, 2012
11:53 am

“So, I say our President won the arguments easily.”

Typical clueless liberal

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
11:53 am

Paul

Romney has the right leaning social and economic conservatives in his pocket. Now he is making the mad dash for the middle as we come down the stretch; or at least it appeared that way from some of his remarks last night.

Will it work? Time will tell.

Heard one pundit say that early next week, we should be seeing several new polls out, which may or may not indicate if Romney was able to close the gap.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:53 am

Fly-On-The-Wall ,

mitt can change the gop to vote for the middle class.

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
11:54 am

Stands – I have no problems with o appearing on the view. I bristle when I hear whiners whip out the excuse that he dint have time to practice for the debate. The view, letterman, vegas, but not enough prep time for an important debate? Puh leeze.

Lina

October 4th, 2012
11:54 am

It won’t kill me if Romney wins. I’ve voted republican many times in the past. I just vote against the rightwing now. Romney has a documented history of being a moderate. He also understands that the party has to bring a percentage of women who are voting against them now back into the fold. He will as president solidify the right to choose. He understands to survive the republican party has to bring at least 20% more Latinos back into the fold. He knows in the future republicans have to have that 40%. He will pass a comprehensive immigration reform package that satisfies Latinos. He is looking 4 years down the road. 8 years. 20 years. Most people realize that the rightwing is dead man walking and is heading at warp speed toward the outside looking in. Mitt Romney’s a RINO. Once elected watch how far left he’ll go.

Regnad Kcin

October 4th, 2012
11:54 am

“going to vegas on a fundraiser’

Could I get a link to this “fundraiser”, please? I think this never happened, but am willing for you to prove me wrong…

DwayneL

October 4th, 2012
11:54 am

As I suspected Mitt came prepared and kicked obama’s tail!!! Of course it’s got to be hard for obama to try and defend 4 years of failure. LMAO

Morality?

October 4th, 2012
11:54 am

Why would anyone call the Prez such a thing? Do you know something we don’t know?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
11:55 am

Doom — “I understand that he was responding to Romney. And a comment about Trump as a billionaire receiving preferential tax treatment would have been just fine. But using the occasion as an opportunity to take a personal dig at Trump was petty and beneath the presidency.”

I don’t see how it’s personal. The President didn’t *blame* Trump as being responsible for that state of affairs. He just pointed out that a wealthy man like Donald Trump shouldn’t be benefiting from tax policy intended to help small businessmen. Trump’s simply a visible and easily-recognizable American millionaire, which helps drive Obama’s point home.

MC

October 4th, 2012
11:56 am

Revenge of the RINO, huh Lina.

EJ Moosa

October 4th, 2012
11:56 am

” So who is left making up the difference?”

The folks getting jobs in a growing economy that start contributing and stop taking.

Geeze.

MiltonMan

October 4th, 2012
11:56 am

“Please Mitt, win so some of these poor, middle class whites can send their sons to die in the wars he will start, while his sons take vacation in the islands, this has got to be the dumbest bunch of Rep ever in the history of this country.”

Nah, Obozo is going to stop the wars just like he was going to close Gitmo.

Quagmire

October 4th, 2012
11:57 am

Ok Mitt, you go and tell Big Bird that he lost his job and that all of his friends at Sesame Street are part of that 47%.

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
11:57 am

Doom: You keep missing a very simple point which is simply that taking a cheapshot against one individual is beneath the presidency. Someone like a Trump or a Limbaugh are beneath the president responding directly to them.

When those people seek to make themselves the center of attention by attacking the President, I don’t see how him responding to his attackers is beneath him. Maybe if the two of them didn’t try to make part of their income from attacking Obama, you might have a point.

GT

October 4th, 2012
11:57 am

godless heathen, O didn’t get bullied last night, the moderator got hijacked which is a MO of the right in these debates. Obama should have known it; this would have showed up in any film study. Newt opened the SC debates telling John King what an idiotic question he just asked, how could he ask such a stupid question in such an important event. This put King in the head lights the rest of the night, scared to death. Romney bypassed even that communication with JL and just outright ignored him. It is like the NFL substitute refs not calling stuff.

All said O knew that was going to happen. I think he was hoping Romney would make an ass out of himself and the national press would be calling him out on it. Not till this morning did people on both sides start picking this thing apart and notice JL sucked. No reason for O not to have headed it off knowing it is coming, but let’s sees if Obama didn’t actually have a strategy and that some blowback hits Romney, already unpopular, by his too much caffeine delivery and aggressiveness. I think the strategy for O is to not go too hard let Romney self destruct, the leader in the early debates seldom takes the trophy. One thing for sure we won’t have such high expectations for Obama next time, and that is what I think O was shooting for.

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
11:58 am

“So what do you think of this repudiation of all you’ve been posting for months, that the rich are overtaxed, they carry far more of the tax burden than anyone, , they’re the job creators and they need tax cuts so they can hire people and get the economy moving?”

Paul,

I don’t recall the cons on a consistent basis saying the rich are overtaxed and needing more tax breaks. Mostly just that new taxes are not the solution. As for carrying far more of the tax burden then anyone else I don’t think that is in dispute. When 1% pay nearly 40% of the taxes and when the top 10% pay something like 90% of the taxes its hard to argue against the facts. And while they may in fact generate most of the new jobs I think their reluctance to do so has to do not with current taxes but more with concern over the direction of the economy and the nation in general under this president.

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
11:58 am

If that’s a fable then how did Obama push through Obamacare without a single Republican vote?

The ACA was pushed through by Dems using the same technique the GOP used to push Bush’s Tax Cuts through, reconcilliation. Did you happen to forget that little bit of info?

Quagmire

October 4th, 2012
11:59 am

If you ask me, I think President Obama was point shaving last night. He’s in bed with Vegas!!!

Jm

October 4th, 2012
11:59 am

Getalife

New Fred no trademark isn’t me

stands for decibels

October 4th, 2012
11:59 am

I bristle when I hear whiners whip out the excuse that he dint have time to practice

I don’t think anyone’s claimed that. Some have speculated that being President leaves one less time to prep than running for President.

Put another way–you do acknowledge that a guy whose sole job for the last five years has been running for President, might have a bit less on his plate than a guy who actually is President, yes?

And you do recognize that other Presidents have appeared on silly entertainment shows, in the past, yes?

getalife

October 4th, 2012
11:59 am

Big Bird was the loser last night.

This is what Americans cared about.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:00 pm

MiltonMan — “Nah, Obozo is going to stop the wars just like he was going to close Gitmo.”

And the fact that Congress refused to appropriate a single red cent for the closure costs doesn’t even register with you, huh?

I wonder how thick my attic insulation would have to be in order to have an R rating as high as yours. :D

Paul

October 4th, 2012
12:00 pm

BOTH suck

I agree with that.

What I was really after was hearing from the cons about what they think about Romney’s slap in the face on what they’ve been saying about how we need tax cuts for the wealthy because they’re Job Creators and that’s how we’ll get people back to work.

Romney thumbed his nose at them and went “Thpbbbbbbbttt.”

I’ll have to conclude from the lack of response that they’ve had the floor cut out from beneath them and they can’t talk while they’re in free fall.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:01 pm

Okay, Fred is a con now.

Got it.

straitroad

October 4th, 2012
12:01 pm

Wow, now the moderator is being thrown under the bus for not protecting obama. obama clearly doesn’t like to be questioned. He has a record to defend now and it is a poor one. The contrast between Romney and obama was stark. Until I saw Romney and obama standing next to each other last night I had forgotten what “presidential” looked like.

A TAT

October 4th, 2012
12:01 pm

Joe Hussein Mama:

Thanks for posting Rommey’s perpetuation of the myth that eeeeeevil homebuyers crashed the economy.

Obama was the first to bring it up sub-prime loans as part of the cause. Read the first sentence of the second paragraph. I inserted Obama for clarity.

Romney—”Let me mention another regulation in Dodd-Frank. You (Obama) say we were giving mortgages to people who weren’t qualified.”

Better yet…read the transcript.

Jm

October 4th, 2012
12:01 pm

I think Obama is tired

He should retire

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
12:03 pm

Jm at 11:59. Getalife thinks he (or she) is all knowing and all seeing. True, you and I aren’t one and the same but that won’t stop geta from thinking it. Probably thought there WERE shovel ready jobs.

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:03 pm

Thulsa

Are you saying there is pent up demand but companies are allowing it to walk away because of the “direction of the economy”?

Could you be specific as to the exact industries and even companies that currently have demand or projected demand outpacing available resources (manpower, machinery, etc) and are telling their current and prospective clients to take a hike?

Now quotes but actual numbers on this pent up demand and where it is occurring and being ignored.

If you can show me that, I;m sure there are other companies working to capture that part of the market within those specific industries

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:04 pm

jm,

Probably thinking about Syria or something more important than killing big bird.

Regnad Kcin

October 4th, 2012
12:04 pm

“The view, letterman, vegas, but not enough prep time for an important debate?”

Fred(NT) – the sentence above has the same effect on me – the same as “two years on healthcare instead of jobs”.

Take the total amount of time he spent on the view and letterman – are seriously suggesting this is an issue? What was the total – about 6 hours, including travel and makeup? That assertion is as silly as “working on healthcare, not jobs”, don’t you agree? People can do more than one thing at a time, right?

Or do cons believe that if you work on healthcare, you cannot work on anything else?

Sheesh – too silly – why do cons keeps repeating these?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:05 pm

A TAT — “Obama was the first to bring it up sub-prime loans as part of the cause. Read the first sentence of the second paragraph. I inserted Obama for clarity.”

He’s wrong, too. But the broader point of that passage is that Romney was blaming government regulation for the market crash, and that’s a load of bovine excrement.

“Better yet…read the transcript.”

I’ve got the transcript open right now. But more to the point, weren’t you banned?

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:06 pm

Fred,

No American knows it all or the collapse and losing occupations to explode our deficit would never happened.

Fred (no trademark)

October 4th, 2012
12:06 pm

Getalife at.12:04. Rather than syria perhaps he should have been focusing on protecting the 4 americans that were killed on 9/11.

aon

October 4th, 2012
12:06 pm

I wonder how long it will take before the Obama camp trots out Michelle to try to undo the damage. Maybe this time we can watch as she shops in WalMart.

Jefferson

October 4th, 2012
12:06 pm

Romney is funny — “just get another insurance company if you don’t like the one you have” as if the cost is not the issue.

Just borrow the money from your parents.

Truly a silver spoon baby.

straitroad

October 4th, 2012
12:06 pm

Now Al Gore is blaming the altitude for obama’s confusion. When will the excuses ever end?

td

October 4th, 2012
12:07 pm

amVet

October 4th, 2012
11:14 am

Jm, how about you helping me out? Oh that’s right, in regards to useful and relevant information you are useless. My bad.

td, you sound like the narrator of Goldilocks and the Three Bears!

Not too hot, not too cold, just right. (Yumm!)

You guys have become so specific-averse and so staggeringly ignorant of any pertinent details that you now talk in fairy tales!

Please explain to all of us how raising taxes by 5% on people making over $250,000 per year is going to balance the budget? We need all those details you are asking for. If you can not explain how this is going to be done then I think it disqualifies you from asking any questions about GOP plans.

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
12:07 pm

Paul

One thing that caught my interest was that Romney claimed that he was going to cut taxes for the middle class to give them a break, wasn’t going to raise taxes on anybody, and wasn’t going to pass a tax cut that added to the deficit.

I figure that he’s counting on some serious economic growth to pull that off. From my limited experience with math, that’s the only way I figure he could pull all three of those things off. I’m interested to see how he’s going to do that when he’s advocating for more free trade with more countries. We’ve all seen how fast jobs leave the country when we sign new agreements. I guess we’re going to see massive increases in service jobs or something.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:08 pm

aon — “I wonder how long it will take before the Obama camp trots out Michelle to try to undo the damage. Maybe this time we can watch as she shops in WalMart.”

Ann Romney doesn’t shop at Wal-Mart.

Mostly because they don’t sell Cadillacs and fancy struttin’ ponies.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:09 pm

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:09 pm

Fred,

Yeah and w should have protected the thousands killed on 9/11 but didn’t.

Still no attacks like that here/

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
12:09 pm

Brocephus,

I don’t recall W or any Republican presidents consistently complaining about a Rachel Maddow or Ed Schultz. Why? Because its just damn petty and beneath them for a U.S. president to be responding to radio talk show hosts. They understood that a Limbaugh and such are not to be given the courtesy of a response because it would put them on equal footing. The democrats used to know that also but because their recent leaders are so thin skinned they just can’t help themselves.

Paul

October 4th, 2012
12:09 pm

Thulsa Doom

“I don’t recall the cons on a consistent basis saying the rich are overtaxed and needing more tax breaks. Mostly just that new taxes are not the solution. ”

Isn’t ‘overtaxed, paying a disproportionate share,’ etc the same thing as overtaxed?

Is sure isn’t undertaxed.

And I doubt any of the cons using those phrases would say the rich are taxed at just the right level.

“When 1% pay nearly 40% of the taxes and when the top 10% pay something like 90% of the taxes its hard to argue against the facts.”

If you want to make the case for cutting tax rates for the wealthy one looks only at the federal tax share. One does not look at the share of all taxes at all levels to see who’s getting hit the hardest.

The first example, the one you cite, has as its weakness looking at the aggregate of a group, rather than the effect of the rates on the individuals who comprise that group. That is why this country went to a progressive tax system in the first place.

(cue some readers who will now go to Google and respond with “oh no we didn’t… in 1827 the idea was….”)

“but more with concern over the direction of the economy and the nation in general under this president.”

That’s a prevalent and interesting view. Mentioned the other day I’m in a discussion with a friend who’s a senior VP for a huge multinational whose CEO is of the same opinion. I asked him, why does he have that viewpoint? Corporate profits were at record highs under Obama, he’s continued many of the same tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy as his predecessor did, in his case his CEO saw his pay go up over 25% in the past year and his corporation has the distinction of paying him more than they paid in federal taxes to the country that made their existence possible. In fact, they paid no taxes. And their profits are at record levels.

So, I asked, why isn’t this guy an Obama cheerleader?

We’re still trading emails.

Ray

October 4th, 2012
12:10 pm

Its obvious by the comments that the fan club knows they were beat last night. I have read every excuse in the book as to why their guy did so bad. Nobody has yet to say the guy just got beat. That is my issue with the administration they don’t own any of the problems they have created. They continue to blame Bush and everyone that came before. Obama has had 3.5 years but continues to talk about what he plans to do. You still have time if you want to make these grand changes Mr. President. However, you should expect the same courtesy you offered the senate even after senator Brown was elected to try and combat Obamacare.

When liberals start to complain that the house republicans aren’t playing nice with Obama they need to remember how he forced through obamacare with out playing nice to the senate or the house. It was evident to Obama when the state of Massachusetts elected a republican senator that this country didn’t want Canadian style healthcare but he forced it on us any way.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:11 pm

If miit wants to cut taxes on the middle class, he should lead and tell his party to pass the bill.

GT

October 4th, 2012
12:11 pm

Like I said I don’t think O got thrown under the bus, he knew this was coming; it is exactly how the right debated most of the primary, nothing new. I am saying Obama choose not to respond for a reason, what who knows, but the front of this paper right now has some blowback on how the debate was handled. No crying here, if Obama couldn’t beat what I heard last night and has no strategy for something so obviously coming his way he deserves to loose. Romney was allowed to flip flop from right wing to a lot closer to Obama without a peep from O. If R wins I hope it is the promises he made last night he keeps not the ones he made 200 times before.

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
12:11 pm

td

Not to jump in on you and JamVet, but can you show where anybody has claimed that “raising taxes by 5% on people making over $250,000 per year is going to balance the budget”? I hear you and many other’s beat that strawman to a fine powdery consistency, yet I can’t find references to the original claim coming from anybody on the Left.

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:11 pm

Thulsa

It is easy for a CEO or COO of a major or even small company to blame anything on the President or anything else they want to blame, but if the demand is not there it is not there…….

Hiring is surely slower than is needed but if what you say is true how is there any hiring at all?

Maybe because there is demand for those companies products or service that outpaces resources? And of course there is always back filling but that is more keeping pace than anything else.

A TAT

October 4th, 2012
12:11 pm

Joe Hussein Mama:

But more to the point, weren’t you banned?

Only under my formal name.

Jay forces me to lie.

Field trip at school today. I don’t do field trips.

Decided to wander into the dem’s field of dreams.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 4th, 2012
12:12 pm

Ray — ” It was evident to Obama when the state of Massachusetts elected a republican senator that this country didn’t want Canadian style healthcare but he forced it on us any way.”

Well, *I* wasn’t consulted regarding that Massachusetts Senator. Brocephus, getalife — did anyone ask either of you? And I bet that lots of Americans in oh, say, 49 states weren’t consulted, either. So how, exactly, is the election of a *single* US Senator indicative of what the entire country wants or doesn’t want, please?

Mick

October 4th, 2012
12:13 pm

**But using the occasion as an opportunity to take a personal dig at Trump was petty and beneath the presidency.**

Geez..this was a debate not romper room…it goes with the turf…

Brosephus™

October 4th, 2012
12:13 pm

Doom

And I don’t recall Maddow or anybody else showing as much animosity and disrespect to Bush as what’s been thrown at Obama. No two men will respond the same. If you want Obama to show respect FROM the office, then you should also want your fellow righties to show respect TO the office. You can’t get respect if you don’t give it.