An unprepared, unfocused Obama pays the price
Remember the classic nightmare in which you show up unprepared for a test in a class that you completely forgot you had?
That’s what Barack Obama looked like last night. From the opening question, he came off as unprepared, unsteady and almost uninterested in the task at hand. He found himself on defense throughout the debate, and when opportunities arose, he failed to recognize them.
As I noted last night during the live blog, Obama seemed overconfident coming in, as if he had underestimated both his opponent and the occasion. By the end of the evening, overconfidence should no longer have been a problem. As CNN noted, 67 percent of those polled who had watched the debate declared Mitt Romney the victor.
“No presidential candidate has topped 60 percent in that question since it was first asked in 1984,” CNN polling director Keating Holland pointed out.
And a good part of that was caused by Mitt Romney. He came in hungry, needing a win, and it showed in his focus and preparation. He got the better of almost every exchange, in part because at some point in his debate prep he decided to finally make the transition from “severely conservative” GOP primary candidate to general-election candidate.
The new Romney endorsed regulation of business. He dismissed tax cuts as an economic policy. He embraced his own Massachusetts health-care plan. He talked of compromise and working together. A surprised Obama wasn’t ready to handle this latest Romney incarnation and repeatedly failed to tie the moderate, genial GOP candidate on that stage in Denver to the GOP candidate on the campaign trail.
Will the outcome of this debate, the first of three between Obama and Romney, create a ripple in the polls? It almost certainly will. I doubt it will cost Obama his lead, but it should shrink it and introduce doubt in many minds that had not previously doubted. Romney had the night that he needed to keep his funders happy and his base engaged.
The next debate, covering foreign and domestic policy in a townhall forum, will be Oct. 16 at Hofstra University in New York. I suspect that they’ll be scrambling at the White House this morning to clear more time from the president’s calendar for prep work between now and then. He can’t afford a repeat of what happened last night in Denver.
– Jay Bookman
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Billybob
October 4th, 2012
10:15 pm
schools out libs……recess!
Ahem
October 4th, 2012
10:16 pm
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
9:54 pm
Kamchak, you seem to be hung up on “drudgey”.
So did the butler not take papers the pope wanted destroyed and did al gore not make the “altitude” comment?
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Don’t waste your time. All that knucklehead seems to have is the childish “drudgey” diversion. I guess he/she thinks that Drudge writes the linked articles. There’s your sign.
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
10:16 pm
Doggone – “Got proof?”
Yeah, your posts.
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
10:17 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 4th, 2012
10:10 pm
I’ve jumped to nothing.
Your post do have an angry tone apologies if you can’t see that.
Therefor it’s not an assumption to ask you what happened to make you so angry.
But hey its there for people to read, and if it makes you feel better to say so go right on ahead.
I know nothing more about your character other than what you post here. And again your post have an angry tone to them. That is not an indictment on your character just an observation of your opinions.
I don’t even think anger is a character trait is it? More of an emotion
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
10:17 pm
LMAO – talk about lemmings. Many lefties are starting to post that al gore was on to something with his “altitude” comment. Desperation at its core.
TaxPayer
October 4th, 2012
10:18 pm
Mitt Romney is a floor wax. No, he’s a dessert topping. No. He’s both a floor wax AND a dessert topping.
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
10:19 pm
Next thing you know the lefties will be blaming Bush for the “altitude” conditions in Denver.
Oscar
October 4th, 2012
10:19 pm
Romney came across as an angry little boy angry at his dad. Obama was the adult in the room.
Polls and votes will reflect that in November. Romney goes down.
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:20 pm
“Yeah, your posts”
this ought to be interesting: please quote my posts that prove I don’t know many under-30s
Oscar
October 4th, 2012
10:20 pm
Marty Huggins’
Keep Up the Good Fight!
__
What has gotten into you guys. High altitude?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 4th, 2012
10:21 pm
LMAO – talk about lemmings.
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
Desperation at its core.
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
10:21 pm
Sure, Oscar, and Al Bundy was the adult on “Married with Children”.
Oscar
October 4th, 2012
10:23 pm
The empty chair
______
You watch that a lot? Figures.
Oscar
October 4th, 2012
10:24 pm
Desperation at its core. At it’s very core. All the way till dawn.
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
10:25 pm
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:13 pm
Your post of a quick no with no reasoning behind it was my first clue Watson.
No proof yet was more of a question, I think circumstancial evidence is all we gone be able to get anyway.
I am of that generation and would easily beg to differ as would a majority of my college classmates, friends, colleagues of my age all seem to kinda go the way I described.
But that’s a very small sample, and there are those still that house those racist sentiments and ideas but not anywhere near the majority. as opposed to a majority of the older people in the same groups mention. Well except for college weren’t too many older students at my institution.
But to simply say no Is evidence of not knowing many younger people or not willing to think deeply about the subject.
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
10:27 pm
Oscar
October 4th, 2012
10:20 pm
Nothing really into me.
Actually very regretful that I chose to share my opinion.
But my stubbornness won’t let me escape the wormhole now.
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:28 pm
“Your post of a quick no with no reasoning behind it was my first clue Watson”
I didn’t ask for clues…I asked for proof. You have none, and have no way of ever getting any…since you don’t know who I am or who I know.
You got NOTHIN’
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
10:28 pm
Obama donor scandals purported to be coming in less than a week. Maybe they were all affected by the “altitude” in Denver.
Midori
October 4th, 2012
10:29 pm
Keep,
that toon is the best illustration I’ve seen that describes last night.
All Romney did was sling feces. A lot of it too.
Oscar
October 4th, 2012
10:29 pm
But my stubbornness won’t let me escape the wormhole now
_____
Commenting can be addictive. I know the feeling.
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
10:30 pm
Oscar, yes I did watch that show off and on over twenty years ago. Thought it was a reality show about a leftie family.
Oscar
October 4th, 2012
10:30 pm
Wonder if cons are bothered by finding out that Mitt really is a moderate, no, even a liberal instead of a con.
No matter who wins, there will be a liberal democrat in the White House.
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
10:32 pm
Oscar, then you shouldn’t be disappointed if romney wins.
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
10:35 pm
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:28 pm
Um, uh.
I admit I have no proof.
I even said so.
“No proof yet was more of a question, I think circumstancial evidence is all we gone be able to get anyway.”
It’s even why it had a question mark after it when I asked you.
“Don’t know too many under 30 then do you?”
I guess something is to be gained by gloating what was already known and written.
TaxPayer
October 4th, 2012
10:35 pm
When is Sean Hannity planning on releasing that video about Obama that is going to be a game changer.
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:37 pm
“I admit I have no proof.”
Then the premise you want me to discuss doesn’t exist…so there’s nothing to discuss
Paul
October 4th, 2012
10:38 pm
Marty Huggins’
“So all enacted during Obama’s admin means ALL regulations to you?”
No,
That was a fun point on where the middle is -
getalife
October 4th, 2012
10:38 pm
Why are undecided and Independents moving to our President if the new mitt romney won the debate?
JamVet
October 4th, 2012
10:38 pm
Billybob, so you do agree that the basic premise of anthropogenic climate change is valid.
Good.
The evil me wrote early this week that I hoped Mitt did “win” the “debate”.
I enjoy watching the faithful get their hopes up.
getalife
October 4th, 2012
10:39 pm
Can I change my tax plan too?
Oscar
October 4th, 2012
10:39 pm
The empty chair
———-
I would not be, except for foreign policy. I am afraid the same neos that led W into two wars will come back in with him, and the same thing will happen again. War with Iran and who knows who else.
TaxPayer
October 4th, 2012
10:39 pm
How is Mitt’s cap on tax deductions working out for him with his supporters that have large tax deductions, like his wife.
Paul
October 4th, 2012
10:40 pm
Hey Midori
Left a post for you earlier. Shouln’t be difficult to just search on your name to find it.
Now – back to my off-screen activities while I wind down.
Don’t make yourself scarce, ‘k?
G Mare
October 4th, 2012
10:41 pm
As a flight attendant “back in the day,” I can say from experience that the altitude can have an effect, especially when one arrives from Seattle, as I did. Seattle is at sea level & Denver is a mile high. I slept for almost my whole 30 hour layover, & I was only 20 years old. Not saying this was our president’s problem. Just saying it CAN have an effect. Guess I’m also saying, “please lay off Mr. Gore. He is not totally wrong on this.”
RB from Gwinnett
October 4th, 2012
10:41 pm
“It’s getting late in the fourth quarter and Team Romney is down big.”
Looks like somebody missed their meds today. See if mom will bring them down for you Jammie.
TaxPayer
October 4th, 2012
10:41 pm
so there’s nothing to discuss
Sometimes that is one of the less stressful topics to discuss.
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
10:41 pm
Oscar
October 4th, 2012
10:30 pm
See i’m pretty sure I’m voting for Romney and I don’t think he has went Liberal. Moderate, yes much the same as Obama is with maybe each leaning slightly right or left.
But in my humble opinion Roney has a better chance of getting things accomplished for we the people.
Obama’s ideas are not all bad, not all good but I fear he suffers from the same disease of stubbornness that effects me.
Sometimes even when you are right it is best to not shout how wrong those opposed are sometimes it’s better to do the best you can and get along.
A whole lot harder when your president and a but more responsibility than my everyday peasant life has. So whatever.
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
10:42 pm
Getalife. If the undecideds and independents are truly moving to obama could it be because of the altitude?
TaxPayer
October 4th, 2012
10:42 pm
Altitude! Are y’all back to talking about Mitt’s jet aircraft design.
The empty chair
October 4th, 2012
10:43 pm
Getalife – change your tax plan? You actually pay taxes?
RB from Gwinnett
October 4th, 2012
10:43 pm
Yea, altitude sickness is real in Denver. That’s why anybody with a brain shows up a day or 2 early if they need to be on top of their game for anything there. Not everybody is that smart apparently…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 4th, 2012
10:46 pm
You actually pay taxes?
Every consumer actually pays taxes, sport.
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
10:47 pm
Paul
October 4th, 2012
10:38 pm
Well then see he just wants to remove all Obama’s regulations!
Nothing political in that and not a level of politics either candidate or president would stoop to.
Gotta show some type of contrast.
I mean how catchy is look I think I can get congress out of a log jam. And I’m gonna change a couple of the things Obama has done nothing overly significant, but small base type things. Mostly different ways of saying the same thing type stuff.
Did I mention congress dens hate me less than congressional republicans hate Obama.
Now how do you fit that on a bumper sticker?
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
10:49 pm
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:37 pm
OK gotcha you don’t want to talk about anything you do not already believe.
I’m sorry maybe you would like to discuss further why your answer is a simple no?
Was there no consideration or plausibility of what I posted?
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:51 pm
“OK gotcha you don’t want to talk about anything you do not already believe”
Wrong. I don’t want to talk about something based on YOUR guesses about who and what I know. You want that discussion? I’m sure there’s a mirror somewhere you can use.
JamVet
October 4th, 2012
10:53 pm
RB, you Loganville loser, keep your head up your ___, and just keep on pretending that Willard is not down 80 or so electoral college votes and pretty much needs to sweep the toss up states!
Oh and bad news, he is likely gonna lose Florida, Ohio and maybe even Virginia.
But no worries, fool, keep on keeping on.
You will be one of the first ones I laugh at long and loudest come November 7.
(And thank you for your non service.)
Midori
October 4th, 2012
10:53 pm
Paul!! found it!!!
So I say let them have their celebration. Maybe someday his new positions will sink in and they’ll realize Romney slapped’em upside the head, But that may not happen. We both know how they react to facts, don’t we?
you’re the best
G Mare
October 4th, 2012
10:56 pm
Re the empty chair, Jon Stewart had the best take on that, calling it “the old man and the seat.” And the star himself said some thing like, “they were dumb enough to ask me….”
JamVet
October 4th, 2012
10:56 pm
That’s why anybody with a brain shows up a day or 2 early if they need to be on top of their game for anything there.
Puhleeze!
Maybe for pansies like you.
Have you ever even been outside of Gwinnett?
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
10:56 pm
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:51 pm
Well that’s great because I don’t want to have a discussion of what I think you know.
I started this off with what I deemed to be a very respectful post to you. With a legitimate question and a reasoning behind why that was my opinion.
Go back and read it for yourself.
Your response was a one word answer of NO.
I asked if you knew many young people or for some type of explanation or elaboration on such an detail answer.
Guess that was too much to expect a discussion.
Guess I need to brush up on my deragatory cute nick names to engage in a discussion.
Got it
Mick
October 4th, 2012
10:58 pm
billybob
What a hayseed you are…just making an observation, guess you are not much of a thinking man…see rb @ 10:43, what the hell does altitude have to do with libs??? duh
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:59 pm
“I started this off with what I deemed to be a very respectful post to you.”
And *I* don’t consider an insulting statement about who I know to be “respectful” You must have a different dictionary that you use.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 4th, 2012
11:00 pm
Wow. Some of you people are worked up.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 4th, 2012
11:02 pm
Guess that was too much to expect a discussion.
Geez….
Why this sudden rash of passive/aggressiveness?
Your expectations are your responsibility.
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
11:03 pm
And now it’s time to hit the sack. Got an early day tomorrow.
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
11:04 pm
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
10:59 pm
Well here is my first post directed towards you.
Please show me where I am saying or claiming to know anything about you?
I asked a question then stated my position.
Possibly there is some type of code word that my generation is unaware of, if I used that I apologies as no offense was meant.
If you didn’t read this or forgot about this being written and posted first that’s cool.
Marty Huggins’
October 4th, 2012
9:56 pm
Doggone/GA
October 4th, 2012
9:51 pm
“Do you see any room especially in younger generations that the intent is simply not there?
The younger the generation the less likely they were exposed to racism, true racism not what is toss around like a common adjective today.
Thus they do not have any idea of the perceived connotation and thus making it meaningless. Especially if it a code word or something.
In younger people racism is not as close and always present in the front of the brain.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
October 4th, 2012
11:04 pm
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, “the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
11:06 pm
Right after I hit submit I saw where you were calling it lights out. Me too shortly hope you will see my previous post and he back with me about it will look for your reply tomorrow.
G Mare
October 4th, 2012
11:06 pm
Despite his more or less right wing politics, not to mention pretty dicey personal life, I must remain a Clint Eastwood fan, if only for MILLION DOLLAR BABY. I hate the word “awesome,” but that was an awesome film. Hmm, have to wonder what the diehard righties think about THAT one.
TaxPayer
October 4th, 2012
11:07 pm
Is there any position that Mitt has NOT taken yet? If not, then we know what to expect from him in the next debate. I mean, he’s gotta cover all the bases at least once.
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
11:09 pm
G Mare
October 4th, 2012
11:06 pm
Die hard righties probably liked it good flick!
Hard core righties probably more Gran Turino for all the wrong reasons bet they hated the ending.
But there is a distinction
RB from Gwinnett
October 4th, 2012
11:10 pm
“Have you ever even been outside of Gwinnett?”
Does that make you feel like a big man Jammie?
“(And thank you for your non service.)”.
Thank you for your service anyway Jammie. Your attitude still sucks.
BTW, my first trip from home directly to the top of the bowl on top of breckenridge made me stay in Denver for a night before going to summit county the next time. I guess nobody in the Obama campaign has ever been there, but hey, Denver really isn’t known for their golf courses so that makes sense.
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
11:16 pm
RB from Gwinnett
October 4th, 2012
11:10 pm
What part of Loganville you from.
I grew up there haven’t been back since college except to visit the mommy.
You east or west of the rosebud rd. Kroger?
U know everything revolves around hwy 78 there.
G Mare
October 4th, 2012
11:19 pm
Marty H, diehard righties are okay with assisted suicide? Hmmm. Who knew? And if they are okay with that, why not birth control & medically necessary abortion? ” ‘Tis a puzzlement!”
JKL2
October 4th, 2012
11:21 pm
getalife- Special ops are in Libya and nearby countries . FBI finally arrived on scene of the murders.
Why is obama sending out sending out special forces and the FBI to investigate a protest?
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
11:22 pm
G Mare
October 4th, 2012
11:19 pm
I don’t think you have to agree with all of a movie to appreciate it and enjoy it.
I don’t agree with murder but love me some Jason and Mike Myers.
Freddy’s ok but he kinda too cute and funny at times.
I like my slashers emotionless and brutal!
Whole artistic expression and all.
You know all republicans don’t hate art right?
RB from Gwinnett
October 4th, 2012
11:23 pm
Marty, I dont live in loganville and have never told the crew here where in Gwinnett I “did” live. That was Jammie’s attempt at humor or a dig or something. He gets like that when his mom passes out before she gives him his meds. If you push his buttons just a little, you’ll get a “well you never served” from him as if he’s entitled to an opinion because he has and you’re not. It’s pretty humorous actually.
Jay's Brain
October 4th, 2012
11:24 pm
poor ol obama debated at about the same rate that he has run the country. I’m glad I am a good water boy for the demorats but even I can’t find any water for the obama debate fire. Crash and burn.
Jay's Brain
October 4th, 2012
11:25 pm
I am guessing the white house just cancelled a few rounds of golf that obama would rather play instead of doing his job,
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
11:28 pm
Jay’s Brain,
You got school tomorrow morning now. Sleep is essential to learning.
What time is 1st bell?
TJ Ferreira
October 4th, 2012
11:30 pm
I see Obama claims it is not his fault that he lost, he did not fight the real Romney last night.
Is that maybe why our embassy was attacked in Bhengazi, it was not the real Alqueda that lodged the attack, leaving Obama and his WH unprepared
RB from Gwinnett
October 4th, 2012
11:34 pm
“I am guessing the white house just cancelled a few rounds of golf that obama would rather play instead of doing his job,”
I doubt it. Obama was spewing that BS about tax breaks that encourage outsourcing earlier today even after he got his clock cleaned for it last night. Either nobody on his team is willing to tell him he has no clothes or he’s too arrogant to listen. Or maybe he knows his voter base is too stupid to know the difference and just wants their free stuff.
getalife
October 4th, 2012
11:39 pm
Partisans already made up their minds. The debates are for the undecided and Independents and they don’t like pols that behaved like the new mitt romney. The media thought it was all about style but it was about the ones that have not made up their minds yet.
getalife
October 4th, 2012
11:40 pm
“Why is obama sending out sending out special forces and the FBI to investigate a protest?” Not waiting for permission.
pete
October 4th, 2012
11:41 pm
Someone finally exposed Obama for what he really is, a smooth talking used car salesman. Obama was carried to DC in ‘08 on nothing more than platitudes and promises, but no substance. Yesterday was not a fluke. Yesterday was the day when folks actually listened to what Romney had to say, compared the 2 speeches, and realized that Romney is the better person to put this country back on the right track, and if we give Obama 4 more years, he will destroy this country. Last night, Romney was the teacher, and Obama was the student called to the office for a good old fashioned whipping.
JamVet
October 4th, 2012
11:47 pm
BTW, my first trip from home directly to the top of the bowl on top of breckenridge made me stay in Denver for a night before going to summit county the next time.
Really?? What the hell? We’re not talking about the base camp at Denali.
I’ve skied a lot of mountains and with a lot of different people and you’re the first candyass I’ve heard having to lay up in Denver! Seriously.
Lose fifty pounds and you won’t have to, wuss!
getalife
October 4th, 2012
11:47 pm
pete,
Losing nine million jobs and now steady job growth proves our country is back on track.
mitt will deregulate the banks again.
Do you want another collapse pete?
Is that what you really want pete?
Marty Huggins'
October 4th, 2012
11:53 pm
getalife
October 4th, 2012
11:47 pm
Maybe on the track,
But if the train is broken then it ain’t gone move fast enough to get the people where they need to be
pete
October 5th, 2012
12:04 am
getalife,
4 years of failure…
Unemployment – 8.2%
46 million out of work
Abysmal record as Commander-In-Chief
Weak dollar
Horrific energy policy
Gas prices out of control
Collapse of housing market
In the future, Obama will be the torch bearer for failure, and will be the punchline for comedians for years to come.
pete
October 5th, 2012
12:10 am
I bet Jimmy Carter is rooting for 4 more years of Obama. That would guarantee Jimmy that we will not be known as the worst president.
Cherokee
October 5th, 2012
12:18 am
pete –
employment 4.3 million new private sector jobs
Commander in Chief – killed bin Laden, ended Iraq war, bringing Iran to its knees by sanctions, instead of war
Weak dollar? allows our manufacturing segment to thrive
Energy policy? More active oil drilling than ever in history – about 125% of what occurred during the Bush years
Gas prices – wonder if you blamed Bush when they were higher than they are now? Somehow I doubt it – and rightly so – very little that a President can do about it
Housing market – sorry dude, but that collapsed in 2008 and has been improving since then
But hey, like your candidate for President, don’t let facts get in your way.
St Simons
October 5th, 2012
12:19 am
I’m on my way to da Keys, and I smell the con desperation here in the
banana republic of flow-rida, heheh
$3,000,000 spent / 200 people = $15,000 PER purged voter,
which seems equal to the per voter spending on the absolutely unhinged
teevee commercials.
They’re putting the rural polling places at conservative churches, and
whatta you know, the local yokel police forces have ‘volunteered’
to ’secure’ those areas with crime tape and surround the churches
with cop cars. No intent there, huh?
They have removed the “no campaigning within xxx feet” laws here,
so that loud screaming freaks with their signs can follow & harass you
on the sidewalk right up to the damn door. like an abortion clinic.
except its a FREAKIN CHURCH. And its just a coincidence I’m sure
that all the screamin freaks on the church grounds are cons.
where.you.have.to.go.through.the.gauntlet.just.to.VOTE.
The demographics are overtaking them. From now on, they HAVE
to cheat to not get shellacked.
And Obama the Mammmmba (thwack!) is still gonna win Fla
and Ohio. But by all means, shriek on, cons, here & there.
pete
October 5th, 2012
12:28 am
I think ‘Cherokee’ has spent to much time listening to MSNBC.
Open your eyes to what is going on outside of your utopian liberal world.
St Simons
October 5th, 2012
12:34 am
going from 200 comments to 1,800 – that’s cool
just be here on the 6th, brave sir robins
Skimm for October 5th | theSkimm
October 5th, 2012
12:42 am
[...] Maybe he got the date wrong, maybe it was the altitude, or maybe he didn’t think he had to try too hard. But he didn’t do well. And now he has brought the spin machine to the campaign [...]
theriddler
October 5th, 2012
4:59 am
Both of these clowns are pitiful.
clem
October 5th, 2012
5:24 am
usmc must be part of the 10%
Joe Hussein Mama
October 5th, 2012
10:02 am
Doom — “Not quite true Joe mama.”
Let’s see your evidence then. Link.
“I remember a couple of years ago when Obama was touting all kinds of new jobs being created as green jobs- jobs such as a busdriver on a hybrid bus. Seems like liberals wanted to play fast and loose with the definition of green jobs when it comes to inflating Obama’s jobs numbers but then you want to cry foul when Mitt uses the same criteria. Can’t have it both ways sir.”
Neither can you. Link your evidence. I don’t credit your memory and you saying “I remember.” Earlier this year, you tried to cite $5/gallon gas prices as evidence — yet the national average has never *gotten* to $5 a gallon.
“Yet again your argument must be dismissed.”
Rejected. (laughing)
You’re too clueless to even stay focused ON my argument, Doom, and you’re obviously having trouble distinguishing between what I’m saying (Romney’s claim of $90 million appears to have some holes in it and bears further examination) and what the linked article says Learn to tell the difference between the two, son.
“And if you’re going to come at me with your nonsense try making it from a neutral source instead of the liberal Washington post. From the guy who complains about heritage. jeez.”
Poor, incompetent Doomy. Poor Doomy forgets that Joe debunked Heritage by *proving* that they were cherrypicking numbers, which you yourself admitted.
When Doomy is capable of refuting the Post’s argument, then Doomy will do so. Until then, Doomy will face arguments from the WashPost source whether Doomy likes them or not. (laughing)
“I really wish you wouldn’t make it so easy to blow your shyte right outta the water.”
I really wish you’d learn to focus on what my argument actually *is.* This is the third time this week I’ve had to correct you. If this goes on much longer, I’m afraid I’m going to have to have a conference with your parents about your disappointing performance
“Dismissed.”
Denied. Doomfailure noted.
“ . . . thousands of other bogus “green jobs” were “created or saved” by President Zero’s “green initiative.” Spending billions of taxpayer stimulus dollars with little to show for it . . .”
Irrelevant, given that the issue we were discussing was *Romney’s* claim about expenditures on green items — not the President’s or anyone else’s. Once again, Doom, keep your eyes on the road. (giggling)