The new Obama video is ‘devastating’, but not to Obama

In case you missed it, last night we observed a test of the right-wing emergency bombshell system. It was only a test. If this had been an actual right-wing emergency bombshell ….

But it wasn’t.

In the early evening hours yesterday, Sean Hannity, Matt Drudge and Tucker Carlson started promoting what they claimed to be a “devastating” and previously unknown video of Barack Obama that would completely remake the 2012 presidential race. It would be a bombshell, a game-changer, an “October surprise” that would prove Obama to be an anti-white racist, just as they knew all along. It would do to the incumbent what the “47 percent” tape had done to Mitt Romney, if not worse.

And just to build the suspense, the world was told that for maximum impact, the bombshell tape would be released by Hannity and Carlson simultaneously at 9 p.m., Hannity on his Fox News program and Carlson at his Daily Caller site. Over the next few hours, giddy conservatives practiced their victory dance and whipped each other into an anticipatory frenzy over the video that would finally bring down their hated bête noire.

Nine o’clock came, the tape was released and … ppfffffffffft. Nothing. As in, literally nothing.

I don’t know Hannity personally. Never met the man. So I would have a hard time saying with certainty that he’s a racist fool. But after the way he behaved last night, I have no problem saying that he plays a racist fool on television. The same is true of Drudge and Carlson. In their “big reveal” on Fox, Hannity and Carlson tried vainly to pretend the tape was something it clearly is not, and they made themselves and their followers appear ridiculous in the process.

Here’s the reality:

The tape in question came from a 2007 speech by Obama at Hampton University, a historically black college in Virginia. The five-year-old speech had been reported on extensively at the time it was delivered by, among many others, Brit Hume of Fox News and by Carlson himself, on his ill-fated MSNBC show. As Dylan Byers reports at Politico, “The speech was also covered by CNN, NBC News, ABC News, The Associated Press, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, and the Chicago Sun-Times, among others.”

In fact, the speech was so well known that Politico had cited a portion of it as No. 3 on its list of the top 10 gaffes of the 2008 political campaign.

In the speech, Obama dared to suggest that race — along with the Bush administration’s “colorblind incompetence” — had played a role in the excruciatingly slow response to New Orleans’ plight in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. He was right; it did. Even if you disagree with that assessment, making such a suggestion is certainly not evidence that Obama hates white people, as Hannity and others now try to claim.

Obama also spoke kindly of his minister at the time, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, thanking him for bringing him to Christ. (The speech occurred before the falling-out between the two men.) He talked about the necessity of addressing poverty in the black community, including the need to “help with basic skills — how to show up to work on time, wear the right clothes, and act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there.”

None of that is new. None of that is scandalous. Yet last night, Hannity and Carlson did their best to pretend otherwise. They even tried to gin up outrage that in a speech to a black audience, Obama adopted a more “black” way of speaking, which they claim to find deeply disturbing.

Seriously? I no doubt speak slightly differently with my Yankee cousins in Massachusetts than I do with my southern cousins in North Carolina. I speak differently in my professional capacity than when I’m having a beer at the bar or playing golf. We all do it to a degree, subconsciously, as a way of establishing common ground with our audience. At this point, if it is truly a scandal to you that black Americans speak differently when talking “among themselves,” I urge you to get out more often and participate in the 21st century.

In other words, this was not a bombshell, and it is devastating only in the sense that it exposes just how cynically and effectively the right-wing media manipulates its core audience, particularly on matters involving race. As U.S. Rep. Allen West of all people put it afterward, “What’s the ‘So what’ of this video? I don’t think it’s going to really go anywhere.”

Elsewhere, other segments of the right-wing media strained to find ways not to dismiss the video as the nonsense it truly is. On Fox News, transcript available here Greta Van Susteren and Newt Gingrich basically acknowledged that the tape is much ado about nothing, yet somehow pretended to be offended at how the media have covered it. Erick Erickson at Redstate took much the same tack, arguing that the video “is damning not of Barack Obama….The video is damning of the media.”

It is an odd argument. You concede that the video is of little consequence, then blame the media for not hyping it to the skies in the name of balance? Even the folks at Fox News understand the lunacy of that claim. If you read its muted account of the video, it is clearly attempting to put as much distance as possible between itself and this “controversy.”

The biggest tell of all, however, comes from the Romney campaign. It is sorely in need of a bombshell and a game-changer, and as it showed in its overly eager response to the tragedy in Libya, it is ready to pounce on any perceived opportunity. But in this case, it has refused to comment on the tape except to note — no doubt accurately — that it had nothing to do with its over-hyped release.

“What is the news?” Romney communications director Gail Gitcho asked in an email to Buzzfeed. “I don’t know.”

Something tells me that Romney will not be using footage of the Obama speech in his campaign ads. In fact, Romney adviser Kevin Madden made it pretty clear this morning that they want nothing to do with it. When asked whether the video was relevant, he said that “Voters … need to look at that video and make up their minds on that individually. I think what’s more important to this debate right now are the president’s policies are the president’s record over these four years. That is going to be the most important topic on stage tonight.”

The Republican National Committee also declined to comment.

On the other hand, the response among many on the left has been to mock conservatives for being suckered in by the hype from Hannity, Drudge and Carlson, and at one level I get that. But I find this whole thing troubling. It bothers me that a significant number of Americans have allowed their hopes and fears to be manipulated by people such as Hannity, who see them as nothing more than marks to be fleeced. They are being played, and it is not a fun thing to watch.

Trapped within the right-wing echo chamber, they have not only lost touch with their fellow Americans, they have lost a sense of perspective as well. When something like this comes along, they respond to it as instructed and then are dumbfounded to find that the American mainstream sees it entirely differently. They cannot understand how something that makes such a big noise within the echo chamber has almost no resonance outside it, so they explain it away as media bias.

It is not media bias. Why do you think the Romney camp is keeping this whole mess at arm’s length? It’s because they understand that “scandals” ginned up for consumption within the right-wing mediasphere simply do not play well among Americans in general. They are professionals, and they recognize the disconnect that exists between reality as depicted within that echo chamber and the reality as experienced by the rest of the country. If they allow those two worlds to collide, they will lose and they know it.

That disconnect is dangerous. It is dangerous for those on the right who find themselves increasingly alienated and estranged from their fellow Americans, and it is dangerous for the rest of the country as well. It is particularly dangerous for the conservative movement, which has an essential role to play in our nation’s future. But it cannot fulfill that function trapped in a separate world of its own creation.

– Jay Bookman

731 comments Add your comment

Joseph

October 3rd, 2012
2:36 pm

Aquagirl:

There could be a video of Obama beating an old woman while stealing from a child and you’d shout “nothing to see here, folks, nothing to see.”

Actually Obama beats old women everyday by taking away $800 billion from medicare. He also steals from children by spending like a drunken sailor with money we simply don’t have… Money that our children will have to pay back….

sue

October 3rd, 2012
2:36 pm

Obama is a failed affirrmative action hire, unable to comprehend if he were white, he would be unemployed

Tom Middleton

October 3rd, 2012
2:36 pm

The other news here, Jay, is that the right is hopelessly out of ammunition and getting desperate. Now for the fun part… :)

Aquagirl

October 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm

I remember an experiment performed in a factory in the 1920s

I know most of us are a little over the hill, but wow.

Doggone/GA

October 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm

“Obama is a failed affirrmative action hire”

Got proof?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm

JAY @ 12:02

I will read up on global birth rates to be certain..and more importantly the differences by country. However, unless I’m mistaken, welfare reimbursement goes up for every child you have…I will search to see if any other countries providing subsidies have same metric. IMO, it’s because it is difficult for folks to break away from family traditions of same, the subsidies hurt in terms of expectations, and the lack of knowledge and/or available birth control (I thought this is offered a family planning places for free)…There are no shortage of stories where single parent homes have increased soley to obtain more subsidies…it is no a race issue either..

Butch Cassidy (I)

October 3rd, 2012
2:38 pm

sue – “Obama is a failed affirrmative action hire, unable to comprehend if he were white, he would be unemployed”

Hey, Romney actually IS unemployed. What’s that say about him?

Regnad Kcin

October 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm

“There are no shortage of stories where single parent homes have increased soley to obtain more subsidies…it is no a race issue either..”

Links should be easy, then…

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm

Doggone/GA

October 3rd, 2012
2:37 pm
“Got proof?”

How much do you need? 10 books, 20 books, 1000 books? It wont matter you have been absorbed.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm

cnn blows off the tape again.

romney said they had nothing to do with this attack.

JamVet

October 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm

Heck, I’m as Black as they come…

But alas!

You are not a real black!

Ask TC, he’ll set you straight!

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm

You think a uterus contains anti-rape chaff.

Was arming uteri part of “fast and furious”?

Got proof?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Proof….. they don’t need no stinkin’ proof.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm

Towncrier — “The feelings are mutual, Subtillis”

You might find my thoughts less perplexing if you stopped trying to receive the alien transmissions and instead just asked me for clarification.

BPD

October 3rd, 2012
2:40 pm

The video, while not totally damning, certainly ids disingenuous. In it, Obama mentions 911 and Hurricane Andrew and contrasts the Fed’s response to those with its response to Katrina, and insinuates that the victims of Katrina got the federal shaft because New Orleans is the great “Chocolate City”, to quote Ray Nagin. So there are no minorities in NYC or Miami? I was in NYC in March, and South Florida in May. Guess what? There’s black people there! And Latinos. And Asians. And yes, white folks too. But there are whites in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama too. I guess the Fed gave them their money with no strings attached, and only made the black disaster victims jump through hoops.

Doggone/GA

October 3rd, 2012
2:41 pm

“How much do you need? 10 books, 20 books, 1000 books?”

In other words, you don’t have any proof.

Marty Huggins'

October 3rd, 2012
2:41 pm

So as a matter of confession I must admit I’m a joke as far a being tech advanced!

With that,

I have heard and read conflicting reports on the tape in question.

I know it was released 5 years ago.
But have read and hear only like 10 minutes were released and only the transcripts of prepared remarks were reported on.

The tape being discussed now is like 40 minutes long.

Is there a new 30 minutes?

JamVet

October 3rd, 2012
2:41 pm

Willie, YOU???

Referring to books????

Now THAT is funny!

Doggone/GA

October 3rd, 2012
2:42 pm

“The tape being discussed now is like 40 minutes long”

The 40 minute tape has been on the ‘net for 5 years

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
2:42 pm

cnn played the ryan tape hating Americans to be fair.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
2:43 pm

“Frankly, I think he’s one of those SOBs that the IRS threatened with prosecution for hiding assets in Swiss bank accounts and who the Swiss bank UBS ratted out. I think he got immunity — as many of those threatened did get it when they agreed to come clean to the IRS — and I think he RESTATED his taxes because of that.”

You see those “I think” particles in there? Also clear indications of OPINION, not accusation.

More “I think”s and a few “I believe”s, so there are more clear indications of OPINION, not accusation.

Joe Mama,

Wow! Your semantics games and tap dancing are legendary. But this bit of jibberish today really takes the cake. The lengths you will go to to BS your way out of being busted are nothing short of jawdropping.

Joseph

October 3rd, 2012
2:43 pm

Jay:

You proved our point Jay. I have never seen you so defensive. This video is honestly making you loons howl with no end in sight. Will you at least admit that this video was originally edited and we didn’t actually get to hear all that Obama said? I’ll be waiting for a reply or will you just wallow in your dishonestly….

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
2:43 pm

FRED @ 11:52

How do you figure that Fox lies outnumber those from other biased media sources? For example, the left goes on and on about offshoring jobs per Romney’s past but this is not true based on FACT CHECK which gave Obama 3 & 4 pinocchios respectively for two similar allegations…Many half truths are spewed by both sides but neither is less guilty than the other..

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
2:43 pm

Towncrier — “You…need…to…be…assimilated. Conform to the liberal worldview or be considered forever a “non-black” Uncle Tom.”

Is this an assertion of fact?

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
2:44 pm

Jamvet, I know aint it. They are not as important as those liberal manuscripts you have been reading.

Marty Huggins'

October 3rd, 2012
2:44 pm

Butch Cassidy (I)
October 3rd, 2012
2:38 pm

sue – “Obama is a failed affirrmative action hire, unable to comprehend if he were white, he would be unemployed”

Hey, Romney actually IS unemployed. What’s that say about him
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That he pays more in taxes than any unemployed guy I know

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
2:44 pm

B. Cassidy — “Hey, Romney actually IS unemployed. What’s that say about him?”

What you did there. I see it.

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
2:44 pm

“You might find my thoughts less perplexing if you stopped trying to receive the alien transmissions and instead just asked me for clarification.”

I thought we agreed not to say anything about “alien transmissions” and there you go just blurting it out. Geez, JHM. Get some integrity.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 3rd, 2012
2:45 pm

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
2:34 pm
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
October 3rd, 2012
2:31 pm

Someone who says ‘g-d America’ like that is not a good person in my book. I don’t really give a s*t what else they do or say. You say ‘g-d America’, you can rot in hell for all I care.

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Peadawg

You actually support this?

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/jul/tuskegee/

Perhaps you will also be god damned to rot in hell.

vince neil

October 3rd, 2012
2:45 pm

Regardless or where the “racists are coming” or not…..the video does prove the O to be a pandering douche…nice affected accent from the Harvard educated law genius..really?

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
2:45 pm

“Is this an assertion of fact?”

Channel TBG to find out.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
2:46 pm

bpd,

Our President made the point New Orleans had to match funds with 10% and the other cities did not.

Reminding voters of w and New Orleans helps our President.

Aquagirl

October 3rd, 2012
2:46 pm

Is this an assertion of fact?

Of course. TC will inform you who is a fake black and who is a REAL black.

All you supposedly black people please take a number and get in line.

stands for decibels

October 3rd, 2012
2:46 pm

Someone who says ‘g-d America’ like that is not a good person in my book. I don’t really give a s*t what else they do or say. You say ‘g-d America’, you can rot in hell for all I care.

I’ve gone here before, but what the heck.

Here’s a transcript of the actual sermon.

http://www.sluggy.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=315691&sid=4b3e97ace4ee8cee02bd6850e52f50b7

Near the end he asks his congregation:

Turn back and say “Forgive him for the ‘God Damn’, that’s in the Bible Lord.”

I take that as a pretty clear acknowledgement that Wright realizes he’s gone a bit far with the “GD business.

Otherwise, yes, it’s pretty rough stuff. But given what we’d had to endure as Americans under the Bush administration at that point, not without some justification.

That Black Guy

October 3rd, 2012
2:48 pm

Kate Quinn

October 3rd, 2012
10:59 am
Maybe if 75% of black babies were not born to single women, black people as a whoe would not continue to suffer such problems-a life devoid of hope and success. Maybe young black men would not continue to grow up without father figures and end up in prison, young girls wound not crave male attention and end up having babies and raising them on welfare. Children get passed from relative to relative and do poorly in school. Take responsilbity for yourself. The cycle goes on and on…..
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And then you come along and reinforce the arguement that “conservatives” are racist.

Stop working against yourself.

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
2:48 pm

“You actually support this?”

I have no clue what that it I was in high school still in 2002.

stands for decibels

October 3rd, 2012
2:49 pm

Master debater analysis SHEETZ

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
2:49 pm

Doom — “Joe Mama, Wow! Your semantics games and tap dancing are legendary. But this bit of jibberish today really takes the cake. The lengths you will go to to BS your way out of being busted are nothing short of jawdropping.”

Shrug. I don’t really care if you don’t believe it, and there was no ‘busting’ whatsoever.

Your interpretations of that post — as well as Towncrier’s — are quite simply wrong. You’re entitled to your opinion of them, but that’s as far as it goes. I’ve clarified the matter at least twice.

I choose my words with care, and that’s why those ‘I think’ and ‘I believe’ bits were in there — because I don’t *know* for a fact that Romney’s done anything wrong or illegal. I *think* he might have, and I’m entitled to hold that opinion and express it. However, expressing that opinion doesn’t constitute an accusation, no matter how much you want it to be one.

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
2:50 pm

“I take that as a pretty clear acknowledgement that Wright realizes he’s gone a bit far with the “GD business.”

The d*k still said it. He can try and backtrack all he wants.

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
2:50 pm

“The 40 minute tape has been on the ‘net for 5 years.”

Got a link with a publication date?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm

Towncrier — “Geez, JHM. Get some integrity.”

You first, Punkin.

Ray Tardinski

October 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm

@TBG – if stating the facts is racism – then call me a racist. I forgot libs hate facts.

Maybe if 75% of black babies were not born to single women, black people as a whoe would not continue to suffer such problems-a life devoid of hope and success. Maybe young black men would not continue to grow up without father figures and end up in prison, young girls wound not crave male attention and end up having babies and raising them on welfare. Children get passed from relative to relative and do poorly in school. Take responsilbity for yourself. The cycle goes on and on…..

Marty Huggins'

October 3rd, 2012
2:52 pm

Doggone/GA
October 3rd, 2012
2:42 pm

“The tape being discussed now is like 40 minutes long”

The 40 minute tape has been on the ‘net for 5 years
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On you tube?

Or did anybody report on it as in the entire 40 minutes?

Can you give me a link to who reported on it I can’t find any?

The only reason I ask is because I am an admitted fly by voter in 08.
I got caught up in all that was Obama and didn’t look into very much. Was in a different place in life and if this was a video one has to search for, then I know i would not have seen it then unless it was widely reported on in it’s entire form.
I would think there are many voters who like me voted for Obama in 08 who were younger and much less interested in being informed when they were in their 20s and fresh out of college. But now they are in their late 20s or early 30s and have families and children to think about now and are much more interested in being informed.

JamVet

October 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm

Willie, you haven’t read a book since you left (graduated?) high school.

And to that point, name one single title of those 1000 imaginary books you referenced.

Talk about pulling stuff outta yo ___, you are the masterwillie!

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 3rd, 2012
2:56 pm

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
2:48 pm
“You actually support this?”

I have no clue what that it I was in high school still in 2002.

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Why don’t you come on here and just say – meow.

READ THE LINK perhaps you can understand why the Pastor damned the
Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment.

Bill Orvis White

October 3rd, 2012
2:56 pm

@DannyX I have more real-world business experience than the current installed occupant. I would bring common sense back to the Oval Office where it belongs. Orvis/Cain 2016.
Amen,
Bill

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
2:57 pm

Well Obama finally did it. He signed an executive order that will allow the federal government(him) to declare martial law and take over the economy even during peace time. if you want to read about it: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness. It looks like the South will rebel again.

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
2:57 pm

“Of course. TC will inform you who is a fake black and who is a REAL black.”

No need. Liberals do that quite well by applying tags of “Uncle Tom” and the like to the colored non-blacks. And also when they call mulattoes like Obama “black” (totally oblivious to the fact that once upon a time such persons represented a distinct census category). But thanks for the plug there, Aquahurl.

independent thinker

October 3rd, 2012
2:58 pm

Do ya’ll remember when no one really heard of Sean Hannity and he got thrown off WGST here in Atlanta for making racially insensitive remarks. And he is going to lecture the president for acting Black before blacks? Before this Hannity was lectured by no less John McCain for his blatant falsehoods about the government in Egypt and Libya and for Hannity whipping up anti-Muslim hysteria. Bigot would be too mild a term for Hannity.
At least he discussed his feelings about Rev. Wright in a public speech and severed all ties with him. Romney will not discuss some of the more flagrant discriminatory practices and beliefs of the Mormon Church that he and the church have espoused. Huge difference.
And as to that cover up by the liberal media- Rachel Maddow played a significant part of the tape last night on her show- is she a right wing con?
Four years ago I did not vote for Obama because of concerns that are evidenced on the newly rediscovered tape- Rev. Wright and racial bias, favoritism etc as we have seen so many times here in Atlanta. Now Obama has a track record to be judged by and it sure is different than what is on that tape. Hannity, Gingrich , Carlson and the other Obama haters better find something better. The 47% tape is clear on Romney’s intentions as president. I would rather vote according to my conclusions from listening to that tape. It is closer to reality than the rediscovered tape of Obama..

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
2:58 pm

Joe mama,

Reminds me of when I was a kid. Some kid had something stolen and the teacher had a pretty good idea of what kid stole it. So she looked at that kid and said ” I think you stole it”. But of course in Joe Mama world she wasn’t making an accusation towards that kid. After all she was just telling him what she thought or what her *opinion* was which was that he stole the other kid’s stuff. No accusation of course from the teacher though. She was merely offering her *opinion*. Your tap dancing on this is beyond belief. I can’t believe you actually expect people to take you seriously on this. But go ahead. Get in the last word on this so that we can all move along.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 3rd, 2012
2:58 pm

“Empty suit, empty chair, empty promises. Time to let him go !”

Marty Huggins'

October 3rd, 2012
2:58 pm

getalife
October 3rd, 2012
2:46 pm

Did he also remind them that the reason for the for that was suspicion of corruption within the NO government?
Wonder why he left that out?
Think it affected the intended message?

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
3:00 pm

Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette

October 3rd, 2012
2:56 pm
I saw the documentary on Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment. That was a sad thing–it was absolutely wrong. But it was more federal government than anybody. So why do you want more federal government?

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
3:00 pm

“You first, Punkin.”

It was a joke, Simplicitus. How do you so often miss the meaning of humorous asides?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm

williebkind — “Well Obama finally did it. He signed an executive order that will allow the federal government(him) to declare martial law and take over the economy even during peace time.”

Could you point me toward the specific language in that document that is most troubling to you, please? I’d like to pay particularly close attention to those parts as I read it.

the cat

October 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm

Thulsa-YOU are the one who won’t let this go. JHM owned you about 3 pages back. Why don’t YOU let it go and move along? Nothing to see here.

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
3:03 pm

“It is closer to reality than the rediscovered tape of Obama..”

In a different universe, on a different planet, you may be correct but you live on earth!

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
3:03 pm

Towncrier — “It was a joke, Simplicitus.”

I’m aware of that, Nitwitticus.

“How do you so often miss the meaning of humorous asides?”

How do you *know* I’m missing them and not just messing with you?

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
3:04 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm
I thought you liberals were educated and knew how to read and comprehend.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
3:00 pm
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette

October 3rd, 2012
2:56 pm
I saw the documentary on Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment. That was a sad thing–it was absolutely wrong. But it was more federal government than anybody. So why do you want more federal government?

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Mr. Silly Pants….NOBODY wants bigger government.

We want BETTER government

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
3:06 pm

Doom — “Your tap dancing on this is beyond belief.”

Fine. Don’t believe it, then. That said, your belief or lack thereof won’t change anything. I’m still right about what I said and you’re still wrong.

“I can’t believe you actually expect people to take you seriously on this.”

Well, based on the posts on the thread, several are. Even so, it wouldn’t matter if none did — the belief of others is irrelevant to the point.

“But go ahead. Get in the last word on this so that we can all move along.”

Okay.

Shut up and pipe down, Doom. Move on to the next thread. :D

Peace

October 3rd, 2012
3:07 pm

I remember when my state senator sent me one of Jay’s columns with a note that said: “This is the kind of crap we have to contend with in Atlanta.” I defended Bookman’s right to free speech, although I didn’t agree with his message.

Now I have a better understanding of Senator ????’s frustration.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
3:08 pm

williebkind — “I thought you liberals were educated and knew how to read and comprehend.”

I can’t speak for anyone besides myself.

If there’s language in there that bothers you, then please tell me where it is. Not everyone who reads that is going to come away from it with the same impression. So if you want me to read it from your point of view, then you’re going to have to tell me WHAT IN THE DOCUMENT troubles you.

GT

October 3rd, 2012
3:08 pm

Aquagirl is great!

jewcowboy

October 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm

I love how the “conservatives” on here always reinforce Jay’s points with their insane rants.

Really

October 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm

Maybe they will really hype it up by putting Geraldo on first next time opening up Al Capones Tomb again! That will give us pre-hype to the hype of nothing so we will all be hyped up to see FOX do its usual HYPE job! CLOWNS!

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
3:16 pm

Ok JoeMamma,

In the name of national security – in times of national emergency, Obama and his cabinet secretaries can take over the water, constuction services and materials,transportation,food, and or course, health services and energy supplies. Also draft you blogging body to do laborous requirements. Can you smell the chains?

He has constitutional authority to write executive orders and simular orders have been written by previous presidents, it has never been done to this extent. Obama signed it now! Why? That is reserved in times national emergencies and not in times of peace. Are you afraid to go outside?

Well, take your time and read it, try to spin it, and come up with another description. After all, liberals have been doing since the early 1900’s./

southpaw

October 3rd, 2012
3:16 pm

“We want BETTER government.”

Bravo, Granny! Here’s a suggestion for it:

I heartily accept the motto,—“That government is best which governs least;” and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which I also believe,—“That government is best which governs not at all;” Henry David Thoreau

They BOTH suck

October 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm

Even Romney knows this video is on the rod to nowhere

“Kevin Madden said on CBS’s This Morning that the content of the video, from a June 2007 speech to black ministers at Virginia’s Hampton University, was sufficiently covered in 2007. Madden added that the Romney campaign views the president’s statements, including a shout-out to his controversial former pastor and remarks criticizing the administration for insisting that New Orleans contribute its share after Hurricane Katrina, as irrelevant to Wednesday’s debate on domestic policy.”

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-campaign-dismisses-2007-obama-video-084936929–politics.html

But keep holding on to all you have…………….

hahahahaha

:-)

Doggone/GA

October 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm

“I love how the “conservatives” on here always reinforce Jay’s points with their insane rants.”

It is amusing…isn’t it?!

They BOTH suck

October 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm

“I love how the “conservatives” on here always reinforce Jay’s points with their insane rants.”

You mean like “They are going to starve our children” or “They want to pollute the water and air”

Oh, I am sorry but that was liberal insane rants.

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
3:22 pm

“I can’t speak for anyone besides myself.”

Now is that a little white lie?

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
3:23 pm

“Reminds me of when I was a kid. Some kid had something stolen and the teacher had a pretty good idea of what kid stole it. So she looked at that kid and said ” I think you stole it”. But of course in Joe Mama world she wasn’t making an accusation towards that kid. After all she was just telling him what she thought or what her *opinion* was which was that he stole the other kid’s stuff. No accusation of course from the teacher though. She was merely offering her *opinion*. Your tap dancing on this is beyond belief. I can’t believe you actually expect people to take you seriously on this. But go ahead. Get in the last word on this so that we can all move along.”

Nice summation, TD. I guess in JHM’s mind there is a black and white distinction (unlike in the real world) between opinion and fact. My guess, like yours, is that he just doesn’t want to admit he was wrong unless it is impossible for him to deny it (as on a few occasions I have corrected – by reference to authoritative sources of information – his stated “facts”). It all gets down to the meaning of what “is” is.

Now…WAIT FOR IT…let’s read JHM’s ineluctable response ;-)

Joseph

October 3rd, 2012
3:24 pm

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
3:24 pm

“I’m aware of that, Nitwitticus.”

Sorry…missed your rejoinder, JHM. I didn’t know you spoke “pig Latin” ;-)

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

“But keep holding on to all you have…………….”

You got Obama and seemed to be bragging–bless your heart.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm

williebkind — “In the name of national security – in times of national emergency, Obama and his cabinet secretaries can take over the water, constuction services and materials,transportation,food, and or course, health services and energy supplies. Also draft you blogging body to do laborous requirements. Can you smell the chains?”

Your purple prose aside, thank you for specifying what’s upsetting to you.

“He has constitutional authority to write executive orders and simular orders have been written by previous presidents, it has never been done to this extent. Obama signed it now! Why? That is reserved in times national emergencies and not in times of peace. Are you afraid to go outside?”

I’m not trying to be combative, but don’t you think the Japanese-American internment camps during WWII were just as bad as what you’re describing? And how about the warrrantless wiretapping the Bush administration *admitted* it was engaging in? I think that was pretty bad, too. Still, I’m going to read the document with an eye toward your concerns. We can talk about it tomorrow if you want.

“Well, take your time and read it, try to spin it, and come up with another description. After all, liberals have been doing since the early 1900’s.”

That’s kind of a dickish thing for you to say. I’m trying to meet you in the middle on this, and you’re acting all suspicious. Would you rather I just didn’t read it at all?

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
3:27 pm

williebkind — “Now is that a little white lie?”

Nope.

Joseph

October 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm

Williebkind

October 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm

“I’m not trying to be combative, but don’t you think the Japanese-American internment camps during WWII were just as bad as what you’re describing? And how about the warrrantless wiretapping the Bush administration *admitted* it was engaging in? I think that was pretty bad, too. Still, I’m going to read the document with an eye toward your concerns. We can talk about it tomorrow if you want.

All I go to say JoeMamma is OMG!

jewcowboy

October 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm

Williebkind

“You mean like…”

No. I had something more like this in mind, “He signed an executive order that will allow the federal government(him) to declare martial law and take over the economy even during peace time.”

jewcowboy

October 3rd, 2012
3:30 pm

Williebkind,

“Can you smell the chains?”

Oh..and especially this.

Southern Pride

October 3rd, 2012
3:35 pm

“…Journalistic incompetence…” (Jay, Oct. 3, 2:13 p.m.) That terms suggests you consider yourself a journalist, Jay. Whatever made you think that? You’re just another Democratic hitman. At least you’re more open and apparent about it than others who claim to be journalists.

jewcowboy

October 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

Joe Hussein Mama,

“I’m trying to meet you in the middle on this, and you’re acting all suspicious. Would you rather I just didn’t read it at all?”

It matters not a whit if you read it or not to Williebkind. If someone is writing from a place of smelling chains, then rational discussion is probably not in the cards.

Jack

October 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm

He has always been a FAKE.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Towncrier — “Nice summation, TD. I guess in JHM’s mind there is a black and white distinction (unlike in the real world) between opinion and fact.”

Incorrect but unsurprising. You still don’t get it.

When anyone articulates their opinion, observers (such as yourself and Doom in this case) are in no position to make credible assertions of fact about the intentions and mindset of the speaker. I clearly asserted my opinion; you and Doom mischaracterized those statements as assertions of fact. You both objected, so I clarified.

You both continued to object, but your continued objection is irrelevant, as neither of you are in any position to know what I meant. In fact, I’m in a *uniquely* advantageous position as I can *tell* you what I meant and clarify substantively to a degree that you and Doom could never achieve.

“My guess, like yours, is that he just doesn’t want to admit he was wrong”

I *wasn’t* wrong. You and Doom were. Perhaps it’s you and Doom who don’t want to admit that you’re wrong.

“unless it is impossible for him to deny it (as on a few occasions I have corrected – by reference to authoritative sources of information – his stated “facts”). It all gets down to the meaning of what “is” is.”

Your fanciful story omits the occasions on which you’ve claimed that I held a position — only to be corrected later when I pointed out that your assumptions were mistaken. Your claim that I held Lembcke’s position would be the earliest and most egregious example of same.

You’re very presumptuous and not particularly inquisitive; you never actually *asked* me what my position was in that argument — you simply leapt to the conclusion that I agreed with Lembcke (who I hadn’t even cited) and then demanded that I address a refutation of Lembcke’s argument (which, again, wasn’t even my own).

You seem to want to control the flow of discussion; in addition, you seem to want to claim ownership and knowledge of the intentions and mindsets of the participants. I can assure you that I won’t go along peaceably with that sort of thing. If you ever should happen to actually *use* “authoritative sources of information” with me, please be certain to point it out, because today, you’ve shied away from using the *only* authoritative source of information on what I think and mean — me.

“Now…WAIT FOR IT…let’s read JHM’s ineluctable response”

One wonders if you will understand it. I suspect not.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 3rd, 2012
3:42 pm

Towncrier — “Sorry…missed your rejoinder, JHM. I didn’t know you spoke “pig Latin.”

Only among appropriate company.

No to PC

October 3rd, 2012
3:48 pm

Obama and his ilk are the real racists. And their socialist, anti-American policies are ruining this country.

Alphare

October 3rd, 2012
3:50 pm

The problem for Romney is, while he is central-left Republican, he shifted to the far right in order to win the Primary. I was the one thinking he would move to the central-left after the Primary in order to catch the independent votes. But he didn’t. He is still holding plates for the far-right. Too late now.

Michelle

October 3rd, 2012
3:53 pm

Guess What? His MOM is white and his Grandparents, the ones who helped raised him.

So I guess that makes him anti-white……..smh

That Black Guy

October 3rd, 2012
3:55 pm

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

October 3rd, 2012
11:46 am
REALITY,

The viewer ratings superiority of FOX over others speaks volumes…they have no more of less sense than those who watch LIB news outlets….just because one disagrees with you position doesn’t mean they lack sense…it does suggest arrogance on your part.
______________________________________
EXACTLY

It’s like saying that the Falcons are senseless for watching game film on the Aint’s.

You know, studying their OPPONENTS.

Billybob

October 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm

hey jay,
what did obama mean when actually told russia’s second in command to tell vlad towait until after the election b/c he would have more flexibility…..? or did he not actually say that as well?……….libs/leftists/radicals are so easy to expose

Billybob

October 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm

michelle,
what did obama mean when he called his grandmother…..’a typical white woman’?…..smh…..or did he not say that which he actually said……..again……

rush BIMBO and his Son HANNITY

October 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm

breaking news breaking news breaking news. just in there is a VIDEO that so devastating to the liberasl and president borak hussei OBAMA. SOCIALIST liberal president hates white people.
he dares to tell black hommies brothers ans sistars to be like white people. work, show up on time, respect your boss dress properly. HOw dare the most liberal socialist and work president in history tell black people stop acting getthooo. and yes the minister also gets a shout.
see seee seee seee seee there is the evidence that president hussein OBAMA loves his minister and he also hate white people and HUSSEIN OBAMA just sat for 20 yrs listening to his minister how he hates white peopl.
yes yes yes yes finally the conservtives of america GOT president BORAK hussein OBAMA hes MUSLIN COMMUNIST community activist that hates white peopl.
RUSH BIMBO ANS HIS SON HANNITY do aprove of this message a million percent.
WHITE people vote for the MORMON tax doggers multi millionare with bank accounts around the world and wishing he could have couple more wives just like his GRANPA ROMMNEY back in the day.

Billybob

October 3rd, 2012
4:00 pm

jay,
i know you are getting worried that obama’s comments are starting to add up in the minds of voters and most of his words are not those which bring people together……they are divisive…..but the great uniter didn’t really say any of these things, right?…….that’s what hack columns like this are hoping people believe right? keep it up

Billybob

October 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm

3:59
brilliant

Rick

October 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm

Democrats and Obama are clueless idiots. Enough said!

Lewie

October 3rd, 2012
4:12 pm

Boss

October 3rd, 2012
4:15 pm

“Money Boo Boo.”…aaaaahahahahaha!

FormerRepublicanVoter-SawTheLight

October 3rd, 2012
4:18 pm

Great speech…thanks for the link…definitely voting for Obama now!