Obama vs. Romney, head to head in Denver

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9:03: And … they’re off, from the Magnus Arena in Denver. May the best candidate win.

9:15: Obama’s off-base on the claim that Romney proposes another $5 trillion in tax cuts. Romney’s right — with deductions reduced, the tax cut would not be anywhere near that large. Of course, Romney hasn’t explained WHICH deductions, and the deductions in play could not eliminate all or close to all of that $5 trillion …

9:22: Romney doing well, I think. Obama on the defensive.

9:31: Obama brings up Romney’s position in the primary that he would not accept $10 in budget cuts for $1 in revenue increases. A telling point.

9:34: Romney again rules out revenue increases absolutely. That makes progress against the deficit and the debt impossible. It makes the scale of cuts in Medicare and Medicaid and other programs, including defense, impossible to sustain. But Obama is not making that argument well.

9:48: Romney put more time into preparation, and it shows. Obama is missing opportunities.

9:51: Romney endorses the need for regulation. He is making the transition from primary to general election that he had not previously made.

9:57: Romney hints at the “death panel” argument, then lauds his own state version of ObamaCare.

10:04: Obama continues to leave opportunities on the table.

10:09: Romney beating on the “death panel” angle. All Obama needs to say is: “Governor, the plan that you implemented in Massachusetts has an identical panel that does the exact same thing.” But he does not.

10:18: Again, Romney better prepared and Obama is oddly passive, failing to strike at his opponent’s vulnerabilities. A strong night for the former governor of Massachusetts. A weak performance by the incumbent.

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With Barack Obama holding a sturdy if somewhat narrow lead of three to four points in the polls, and a broader lead in most electoral college projections, he and Republican challenger Mitt Romney meet tonight in Denver for the first of three presidential debates.

Typically, these events have the air of a Vegas prize fight. But having covered a few of those fights, I can tell you that there’s one big difference. In boxing, both camps boast endlessly beforehand about the whupping that their guy is going to put on the unlucky sap across the ring. Political handlers play just the opposite game, trying to underplay their man’s chances.

In recent days, it’s also been interesting to see Romney start to add some details to a previous vacuum of specifics, revealing that as president he would honor the two-year waiver granted to illegal immigrants brought here as children, and that he would limit more affluent taxpayers to $17,000 in deductions to at least partially offset his proposed 20 percent reduction in tax rates. I suspect that debate preparations convinced his camp that going into tonight without such details would have left him too exposed.

So stay tuned.

– Jay Bookman

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Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
1:02 am

Cant keep my eyes open any longer. I’m out. Good night all.

St Simons

October 4th, 2012
1:02 am

I’m voting for Obama, only because Bernie Sanders & Che Guevara

aren’t running.

Ken

October 4th, 2012
1:05 am

“The President and his rhetoric has never been challenged the way Governor Romeny challenged him tonight.”

Atlanta Mom

October 4th, 2012
1:14 am

Doom,
I have NEVER said anything about pre-existing conditions. Maybe, 5 pages ago I included that as part of Romney’s quote, but that has never been the issue. Maybe that’s your hot button, not mine.
And don’t cry to me about health insurance costs. As both my husband and I are self- employed we are now paying $24,000 a year with $3,000 deductible per person. I really can’t imagine paying any more under Obamacare.
And truly, goodnite.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
1:33 am

Here is what romney promised in this debate:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/us/politics/transcript-of-the-first-presidential-debate-in-denver.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Count how many whoppers like not cutting taxes on the wealthy and how many time he outsourced his job to States.

Appleseed

October 4th, 2012
1:38 am

Romney was much better prepaired for this debate.Obama failed,appeared he was submiting to his master.Most of what Romney said was out of porportion

Obama failed.Appeared he was submittting to his master.He was not prepared.

Appleseed

October 4th, 2012
1:41 am

proportionxxxxxxxxxxxxneed be in bed.

choong kim

October 4th, 2012
2:13 am

Mr. Romney talks like he really cares about 8% unemployed, which is over 20 millions.
I wonder How many did he help to find jobs to those who were laid off from his bain management company?
“he is an example of religious leaders who cares(words) and fools simple minded followers”
I also wonder how good mormon leaders really think of him.
Our media should get some inside info.

Jack

October 4th, 2012
5:02 am

Obama was unprepared and off balance from the beginning and he hand his hand in my pocket from the beginning.

cc

October 4th, 2012
5:38 am

Romney is on track and on schedule. Obama looked and acted like the little kid who has been sent to the principal’s office, knows he is guilty and is awaiting his punishment. The taxpaying citizens of this country have been punished for nearly four years now, and punished for sins they haven’t committed!

At long last America’s long national nightmare is nearly over.

stands for decibels - race traitor

October 4th, 2012
5:55 am

Mornin’.

I missed the first half or so (was out, got back late-ish, hadn’t been listening to the debate on the radio–wonder how it sounded?).

Looks like the general consensus is what I’d observed, that Mitt was slick and Barack was stiff.

It ought to improve Mitt’s odds, but who knows how the respective candidates’ content will be spun over the next few days.

stands for decibels - race traitor

October 4th, 2012
5:57 am

the little kid who has been sent to the principal’s office, knows he is guilty and is awaiting his punishment.

…and I see that many people are projecting their own fears, neuroses, etc., to that of a public figure, here. per usual.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

October 4th, 2012
5:59 am

Watching the debates, I conceded early that if you didn’t know much about Mitt Romney, he won the debate. If you did know him, you know it was just more of the same…say what your audience wants to hear. These debates favor the challenger and tonight was no exception. I’m also reminded by my history that the South won a lot of battles early in the war, but what did it get them?

Will this change my vote? No, I still dislike the man for very personal, and to my mind, very patriotic reasons,

On to the next!

JohnnyReb

October 4th, 2012
6:18 am

Obama loosing the debate; very satisfying. Watching Chris Matthews melt down afterwards; priceless.

The good news for Moonbats today; an ulimited supply of virtual crying towels.

BTW – I interrupted my work that started around 4AM to make these comments. That’s the way one gets ahead – work – versus expecting the government to hand you prosperity.

JamVet

October 4th, 2012
6:19 am

Good morning brother Normal. (Off to an early meeting in a few minutes.)

Like all neocons, Mitt is pro-war and pro-Northrup Grumman.

But by no stretch of the imagination is he pro-troops or pro-veterans.

http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6676/images/emails/ROMNEYDEBATE.jpeg

Unfit to lead.

And why he is never going to…

Fred ™

October 4th, 2012
6:30 am

dB: I missed the last few minutes but basically Mitt kicked the Presidents ass. He looked relaxed and calm. They were both joking back and forth, and swapping lies, but the upshot was that Mitt did a better job. Doesn’t mean he GOT any better as a candidate lol but he whupped that butt last night.

Peadawg

October 4th, 2012
6:51 am

“say what your audience wants to hear”

Both of them do that, seabiscuit. Take your blinders off.

I’m torn between writing in Hillary and Gurshall on the ballot. (google Gurshall to see who that is)

Herschel Walker's Revenge

October 4th, 2012
7:03 am

Jay, the best candidate did win. Your wish came true.

We need to elect Presidents who have leadership ability, who treat the government like a business (which cannot continue to run deficits and survive), and who has leadership EXPERIENCE. Obama had/has none of those traits. He was/is just a light-skinned brother who speaks well with a teleprompter.

The Free World cannot be run by through speeches on a teleprompter and by a person who has never really had an executive job in his life. Obama even won a sham-election to get into the US Senate, and then spent two of his four years in office running for President, not serving the people of Illinois.

Get this looney Socialist out of office, and let’s get someone in there who can cut our deficit and get us back on a solid financial footing, not borrowing $$ from China every day. Though it might sound good, we cannot afford to take over other parts of our medical system through Obamacare. That is not the answer. We need to make it easier and more affordable for insurance companies to operate across state lines and to make premiums in reach of all of the middle class.

Glad your wish came true, Jay.

Jay in Roswell

cc

October 4th, 2012
7:03 am

“…and I see that many people are projecting their own fears, neuroses, etc., to that of a public figure, here. per usual.”

You only wish . . .

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 4th, 2012
7:08 am

Golly I hate to agree, but Romney won that debate.

He was aggressive, President Obama was passive.

I see some very interesting campaign commercials being
made in the next few days. The Romney campaign has already walked back
the comments by Romney on covering Americans with pre-existing
conditions.

I’m not a happy camper, but the debate changed nothing for this
Obama voter.

Orange12

October 4th, 2012
7:09 am

“Jim, you may want to move on to another topic”

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:12 am

Boy, just like the Rocky movie, I thought they were going to have to stop it and cut Obama’s eye open.
What a contrast…..And finally, an unfilterd,uncensored score card for the American people to hear on this pitiful administration. Maybe they will let him put his Greek Columns on stage in the next one to comfort him. I think the independents got their answer. last night, at least according to polling this AM 75% Romney, 25% for the bumbling empty suit. It was almost hard to watch. All the guy can do is give a speech…….And last night proved it. It’s morning in America.

Turn out the lights...!!!!

October 4th, 2012
7:12 am

“…Bewildered and lost without his teleprompter, President Obama flailed all around the debate stage last night. He was stuttering, nervous and petulant. It was like he had been called in front of the principal after goofing around for four years and blowing off all his homework.

Not since Jimmy Carter faced Ronald Reagan has the U.S. presidency been so embarrassingly represented in public. Actually, that’s an insult to Jimmy Carter.

The split screen was most devastating. Mitt Romney spoke forthrightly, with carefully studied facts and details at the ready. He looked right at the president and accused him of being miles out of his depth.

Mr. Obama? His eyes were glued to his lectern, looking guilty and angry and impatient with all the vagaries of Democracy. This debate was seriously chaffing him…”

Read more: HURT: Obama the debater: Making Jimmy Carter look awesome – Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/3/hurt-obama-debater-making-jimmy-carter-look-awesom/#ixzz28KNUV2Eh
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Butch Cassidy (I)

October 4th, 2012
7:15 am

Romney definitely came out on top in the debate. However, if Obama is smart, he now has an understanding of how Romney wants to play the game and could use it against him in the next 2 debates. I’m anticipating a much more lively round 2.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:16 am

Granny…..Last night was not for you …or me…..but for the 8-12% who will decide this election. 40-42% both sides would not be changed with 100 debates with a real time fact checker. I don’t have to listen to my sources to know how bad it was for the President….I’m listening to yours this morning…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 4th, 2012
7:19 am

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/10/03/162263539/romney-goes-on-offense-pays-for-it-in-first-wave-of-fact-checks

Overall, it was a debate packed with facts, a wonk’s delight. From the very first remarks, with President Obama saying 5 million jobs have been created in the private sector over the last 30 months, the debate was very number focused. So there were some things to check. And because Romney made more factual assertions, he’s getting dinged more — at least in the early hours after the debate — by the fact checkers.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:20 am

Obama will just have to LIE to do better in the next debates. He’s standing on sand with his record. The facts are the facts. It’s a horrible record. AND I don’t think I heard Bush’s name one time by Obama. I’m sure he was prepped not to use it. Romney would have been ready.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 4th, 2012
7:22 am

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/03/fact-checking-denver-presidential-debate/

Mr. President,” Romney said, “you’re entitled as the president to your own airplane and to your own house, but not to your own facts.”

Romney also would have benefited from that advice.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:23 am

Main stream in full overload this AM in meeting to clean this train wreck up. You will hear some unbelievable excuses this morning. The war rooms are in full panic

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 4th, 2012
7:24 am

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/

Summary
We found exaggerations and false claims flying thick and fast during the first debate between President Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 4th, 2012
7:26 am

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 4th, 2012
7:28 am

Love to see other “fact checks” anybody elses finds….

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:30 am

Granny…..We have 4 years of ” fact Check” for your man…..It’s called reality….And it sux.

Madmax

October 4th, 2012
7:32 am

Jay – Thanks for an honest assessment of the results. Romney was better prepared and didn’t let Obama paint him as the second coming of George.. Too bad some of your followers can’t accept the truth. The campaign has started and the President has to live with his record. I actually liked the way the moderator handled it last night – he lost control but did it in a non partisan way that allowed us to see how both men react in a confrontation. I agree Obama will be better prepared next time but at what cost. He may have to give up his “Mr Nice Guy” facade and show us who he really is. Should be an interesting month.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:32 am

I’m desperately looking for the first story this AM that it’s not fair because he has to campaign…..AND be President…..and he was tired…..

A TAT

October 4th, 2012
7:32 am

A pitiful performance by the President.

Were his socks mismatched or what?

His supporters boosted his ego but not his confidence.

Hillary was right…”Ready on day one?”

NO!

In over his head from day one?

YES!

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:34 am

Round 2……The lying starts…..

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:36 am

The only fact check I need from last night is that this man is over his head……and it shows. He’s a well spoken left Ideolog….not a leader.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:39 am

And do any of you think he’s going to come off any better on the foreign affairs debate? Really. Romney will lay that out for the folks also. That won’t be good for the President either. You can’t talk about killing Osama for 90 minutes…….

Tundra Dude

October 4th, 2012
7:39 am

Jay in Roswell wrote, in part:
We need to elect Presidents who have leadership ability, who treat the government like a business

Your assignment is to write an essay on why Government is not a business.

Huntsman on Romney, at Brookings Institution panel in Washington, D.C.,10/03/2012:
“I haven’t seen a good example yet of a businessperson come into government and make it run like a business,” he continued.
“We forget that the cultures are very different, and I think the presumed outcomes are different as well.”

Bill Kristol said:
“He has a thin resume for a presidential candidate,” “He’s a one-term governor in an atypical state.
He didn’t really run on much of an agenda to change things for Massachusetts.”

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:41 am

Maybe he can get that ” Obama phone” woman to do an ad for him….LOL

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:42 am

Maybe Joe will pick him up next Thursday….LOL

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:45 am

Tundra……keep hanging on it….THE problem YOU have is not that Mitt is the answer all……It’s that your guy IS THAT BAD…..Think about it. Most Americans don’t dig deep like you. They respond to THEIR life right now……And it ain’t good. Start with almost $100 to fill up their car….Maybe not all Obama’s fault………BUT, They gotta look somewhere.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:48 am

The handlers for Obama remind me of ” Baghdad Bob”….When being interviewed live telling us there was no war, no enemy here…..as bombs were going off behind him on live TV…LOL

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:52 am

Jay at home now spinning hard for you guys with his take to comfort you…..Can’t wait to read it. He’ll start with Romney is still Romney and the President and his people are in total control and the 1 or 2 point bump will go away quickly……just trying to help you Jay with an opening…..

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

October 4th, 2012
7:56 am

Maybe Biden ought to come on stage in chains….and Have a black man in a red,white and blue outfit wearing a sign that say’s “American Voter” come on stage before the debate and unlock the chains and take them of Joe and Say, You are set free to tell the truth…..how cool would that be. Really set the tone for the evening….

skydog

October 4th, 2012
8:20 am

Dang lib, you got drool on your chin.

patrick

October 4th, 2012
10:39 am

les go rodney kick his ass

patrick

October 4th, 2012
10:40 am

les go rodney

Ross Ellefson

October 5th, 2012
7:27 am

I read one of the comments before and I can tell you as a person who works in a tip industry (Dealing Cards) that Republicans as a group tip much more than Democrats. I also found that when I delivered Pizzas in 1984 people who displayed Reagan signs tipped twice as much as those who displayed Mondale. In general I believe that many Dems feel they don’t have to be nice (by tipping) to people because that is the job of the Government, whereas GOP supporters help a kid (or adult in my current job)so long as the person shows an effort. It is common to misrepresent GOP supporters and rich people as uncaring and greedy but my experience has not shown that to be accurate. Do not fall for class warfare, the vast majority of the wealthy are rich because they create wealth, not because they rip off the poor and middle class. We need someone who can create, and not just redistribute and that man won the debate round 1!