Obama vs. Romney, head to head in Denver

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9:03: And … they’re off, from the Magnus Arena in Denver. May the best candidate win.

9:15: Obama’s off-base on the claim that Romney proposes another $5 trillion in tax cuts. Romney’s right — with deductions reduced, the tax cut would not be anywhere near that large. Of course, Romney hasn’t explained WHICH deductions, and the deductions in play could not eliminate all or close to all of that $5 trillion …

9:22: Romney doing well, I think. Obama on the defensive.

9:31: Obama brings up Romney’s position in the primary that he would not accept $10 in budget cuts for $1 in revenue increases. A telling point.

9:34: Romney again rules out revenue increases absolutely. That makes progress against the deficit and the debt impossible. It makes the scale of cuts in Medicare and Medicaid and other programs, including defense, impossible to sustain. But Obama is not making that argument well.

9:48: Romney put more time into preparation, and it shows. Obama is missing opportunities.

9:51: Romney endorses the need for regulation. He is making the transition from primary to general election that he had not previously made.

9:57: Romney hints at the “death panel” argument, then lauds his own state version of ObamaCare.

10:04: Obama continues to leave opportunities on the table.

10:09: Romney beating on the “death panel” angle. All Obama needs to say is: “Governor, the plan that you implemented in Massachusetts has an identical panel that does the exact same thing.” But he does not.

10:18: Again, Romney better prepared and Obama is oddly passive, failing to strike at his opponent’s vulnerabilities. A strong night for the former governor of Massachusetts. A weak performance by the incumbent.

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With Barack Obama holding a sturdy if somewhat narrow lead of three to four points in the polls, and a broader lead in most electoral college projections, he and Republican challenger Mitt Romney meet tonight in Denver for the first of three presidential debates.

Typically, these events have the air of a Vegas prize fight. But having covered a few of those fights, I can tell you that there’s one big difference. In boxing, both camps boast endlessly beforehand about the whupping that their guy is going to put on the unlucky sap across the ring. Political handlers play just the opposite game, trying to underplay their man’s chances.

In recent days, it’s also been interesting to see Romney start to add some details to a previous vacuum of specifics, revealing that as president he would honor the two-year waiver granted to illegal immigrants brought here as children, and that he would limit more affluent taxpayers to $17,000 in deductions to at least partially offset his proposed 20 percent reduction in tax rates. I suspect that debate preparations convinced his camp that going into tonight without such details would have left him too exposed.

So stay tuned.

– Jay Bookman

850 comments Add your comment

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:24 pm

” I am glad Obama is going to cut PBS. Goodbye you bunch of racists at PBS.”

LMFAO!!!! Still funny!

Obambarrassment

October 3rd, 2012
11:24 pm

td,

I think it was that Romney’s plane lied, not that he plain lied.

Must be a transportation issue.

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:25 pm

“getalife, You swallowed the bong water maybe? What in the hell are you talking about?”

ROFL. Fast times at Ridgemont High…

That Black Guy

October 3rd, 2012
11:25 pm

CNN Poll: Who won the debate?

65% Romney 25% Obama.

Fact checking caught Obama in several lies.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
11:26 pm

Obama spoke four more minutes.

And was 1/2 as effective.

That Black Guy

October 3rd, 2012
11:26 pm

Oops, 67% Romney 25% Obama

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:26 pm

“Sharpton is licking his wounds and stating Obama, like Muhammed Ali, was playing “rope a dope”.

No way. For real???

Obambarrassment

October 3rd, 2012
11:26 pm

Racists at PBS??

Now that’s funny.

You know Obama loses when the race card starts getting played–and not just one racist but bunches of them. Oh boy!

Atlanta Mom

October 3rd, 2012
11:26 pm

Obambarrassment
Funny

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 pm

PMSNBC Poll, who won the debate

Romney 46%
Obama 32%
Tie 22%

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 pm

Bernie Marcus ad in FL

Hammering at Obama very hard

Atlanta Mom

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 pm

Obambarrassment
Funny at 11:24, I meant

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:28 pm

“No way. For real???”

Yah Way…turn over to PMSNBC…its hilarious. They only let Sharpton “chime-in” occassionally and now we see why. Swear to God…Sharpton said it…Obama playin rope a dope…

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
11:29 pm

Rope a dope?

I’d say Obama was the dope

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
11:29 pm

Yeah, romney will get the gop to vote to help the middle class.

He will change the gop.

Good luck with that.

He is lying thru his false teeth.

Mick

October 3rd, 2012
11:29 pm

This is hilarious; it’s kinda like when you go fishing and you catch a three pound bass but by the time you start talking about it people would assume its a ten pounder! Romney was not that great, more animated for sure but what about the substance? Severely lacking…

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:29 pm

“I guess wingnuts might find it hard to believe that Jay and [some] others who support the President could be HONEST and not delusional about this.”

Take note, getalife. Talking to you, I think ;-)

Oscar

October 3rd, 2012
11:31 pm

Romney’s statement that he will repeal the health care act without bringing back pre-existing conditions is just incorrect. It would put us back where we were. Going backwards is not the way to go.

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:31 pm

“Jim Lehr was useless, practically criminally negligent”

Howard Fineman PMSNBC policitcal analyst. LMAO!!

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:32 pm

“Racists at PBS?? Now that’s funny. You know Obama loses when the race card starts getting played–and not just one racist but bunches of them. Oh boy!”

I think the post you are referring to was an amateurish attempt at satire or else the post of someone really not smart enough to write.

Obambarrassment

October 3rd, 2012
11:32 pm

$17,000 in deductions to at least partially offset his proposed 20 percent reduction in tax rates. I suspect that debate preparations convinced his camp that going into tonight without such details would have left him too exposed…

Now this is funny stuff from our host, Mr. Bookman.

Where in the world were Obama’s statistics today, yesterday or …. ever?

He was going to cut the deficit, heal all international wounds, end wars, lower the sea levels, cure disease, and what did anyone ever ask Barry about? “How do you handle all of the fawning admiration, Mr. President?”

It’s good to have a debate, because the light of reason can finally be force-fed to the “mainstream” press.

Oscar

October 3rd, 2012
11:32 pm

Romney’s statement that he would not reduce the defense budget does not make sense. We spend more that the next eleven nations combined. We can’t afford the defense budget we have now, much less adding to it.

That Black Guy

October 3rd, 2012
11:32 pm

Mick

October 3rd, 2012
11:29 pm

This is hilarious; it’s kinda like when you go fishing and you catch a three pound bass but by the time you start talking about it people would assume its a ten pounder! Romney was not that great, more animated for sure but what about the substance? Severely lacking…
___________________________________________________________
Mick, are you saying that they ALL are wrong?

Obama won the debate?

td

October 3rd, 2012
11:33 pm

Andrew Sullivan:

Look: you know how much I love the guy, and you know how much of a high information viewer I am, and I can see the logic of some of Obama’s meandering, weak, professorial arguments. But this was a disaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach, and his effete, wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving Romney a second look.

Obama looked tired, even bored; he kept looking down; he had no crisp statements of passion or argument; he wasn’t there. He was entirely defensive, which may have been the strategy. But it was the wrong strategy. At the wrong moment.

The person with authority on that stage was Romney – offered it by one of the lamest moderators ever, and seized with relish. This was Romney the salesman. And my gut tells me he sold a few voters on a change tonight. It’s beyond depressing. But it’s true.

littpunk

October 3rd, 2012
11:33 pm

with how corrupt government is I thnk we can all say with government less is more. Obama will take us further down the road to total socialism. Google the cycle of Democracy some time before the election Socialism is what creates dependency and puts a country over the edge, pushes it to far to return to where it was.

Mick

October 3rd, 2012
11:33 pm

I remember when mondale came out and caught reagan on a bad night; there are two more of these debate things…I guess the cons have been starved for any kind of good news for so long they are lapping up the crumbs…

bman

October 3rd, 2012
11:33 pm

The good news for Romney : the first debate is the most watched.

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:33 pm

“Going backwards is not the way to go.”

Forward, baby (with 4 more years of 8 or more percent unemployment and so on and so on)!

Oscar

October 3rd, 2012
11:33 pm

Romney’s lack of interest in education was also apparent. We need to train more in science and engineering. Romney would cut back on education and training drastically. We can’t allow that to happen.

bman

October 3rd, 2012
11:34 pm

Mick .. .. I thought there were 4 debates. Only 3?

Oscar

October 3rd, 2012
11:35 pm

What Romney basically said is that he has no health care plan. And he would repeal the plan we have. And replace it with nothing.

Old timer

October 3rd, 2012
11:35 pm

Ok..round one…Romney..he looked at folks..did..not look down andnqctmsmug..

They BOTH suck

October 3rd, 2012
11:35 pm

bman

VP debate is probably not a huge decider………..

There is 4, but 3 with Romney and Obama

Mick

October 3rd, 2012
11:36 pm

that black guy

No, there was no winner…just a meandering back and forth…

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:36 pm

“Yah Way…turn over to PMSNBC…its hilarious.”

Barack “rope-a-dope” Obama – I like that. He is going to say in press conferences leading up to the next debate that he will “sting like a bee”.

Old timer

October 3rd, 2012
11:37 pm

ForWard =Marx….

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:38 pm

“VP debate is probably not a huge decider…”

Unless, of course, Biden really steps in it with a bad gaffe. That will leave a mark.

Rightwing Troll

October 3rd, 2012
11:38 pm

Romney won. Can’t put any other way than that…

Rightwing Troll

October 3rd, 2012
11:39 pm

It’s quite sad how Romney managed to win with so little substance, other than a lot of numbered steps…

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
11:39 pm

Best lines

My friend talks about picking winner and losers, but you just pick the losers

Your policies are trickle down government

:D

bman

October 3rd, 2012
11:40 pm

TBS .. .. Oh, thanks.

People think Ryan will dominate Biden. I predict Ryan will do well, but Biden will do okay. He is not bad at debating the issues….not at all.

Mick

October 3rd, 2012
11:41 pm

**Romney won. Can’t put any other way than that…**

What exactly did he win? Nobody still knows the truth of his “plan”. I suspect its just say yes to everything a republican house comes up with…

Lecresha

October 3rd, 2012
11:41 pm

I thought both gentlemen were extremely impressive tonight. I have been watching televised presidential debates since Nixon/Kennedy and this one was far and away the most cerebral. You really had to pay attention, they sounded like a couple of policy wonks.

That Black Guy

October 3rd, 2012
11:41 pm

Mick

October 3rd, 2012
11:36 pm

that black guy

No, there was no winner…just a meandering back and forth…
________________________________________________
So all those reporting, on BOTH sides, are wrong?
Along with the polls?

Oscar

October 3rd, 2012
11:41 pm

Seventy per cent of our budget is defense, medicare and social security. And Romeny wants to increase spending for defense, and does not want to cut medicare or social security, and wants to cut taxes so we will have less revenue.
And he was critical of Obama for cutting medicare.

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:42 pm

“What Romney basically said is that he has no health care plan. And he would repeal the plan we have. And replace it with nothing.”

I have no problem with that.

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:43 pm

Matthews:

“Where was Obama tonight? He should watch — well, not just Hardball, Rachel, he should watch you, he should watch the Reverend Al [Sharpton], he should watch Lawrence. He would learn something about this debate. There’s a hot debate going on in this country. You know where it’s been held? Here on this network is where we’re having the debate,” Matthews said.

“We have our knives out,” Matthews said, admitting his network is trying their best to defend Obama and his policies. “We go after the people and the facts. What was he doing tonight? He went in their disarmed.”

ROFL. Wow…objective journalism at its best.

Oscar

October 3rd, 2012
11:43 pm

I have no problem with that.

______

You like the pre-existing conditions clauses in insurance. Seventy five per cent of Americans don’t.

Train Wreck

October 3rd, 2012
11:44 pm

Yeah laugh it up now cons, Obama still wins hands down in the only thing that counts, election nite baby! Give Obama his 4 minutes and he,d bury that idiot Romney. No I don’t have a phone or cheese from Obama you racist pigs, I pay for everything I have because ill work just as hard as you.

I especially like the “I will repeal Obama care”, ” but I have no idea what I would do instead”. Hey cons, Obama care is Romney care, it was a copy of Rom nuts own idea. Now he is going to repeal it. Just classic. He loses on this alone.

Mo O in o’12!

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:44 pm

“I thought both gentlemen were extremely impressive tonight. I have been watching televised presidential debates since Nixon/Kennedy and this one was far and away the most cerebral. You really had to pay attention, they sounded like a couple of policy wonks.”

Agreed. It was a good debate.

Mick

October 3rd, 2012
11:44 pm

This debate was a snorer….give mitt credit, he seemed much more juiced up but….like I said before the santa claus willard is just not a believable alternative…

That Black Guy

October 3rd, 2012
11:45 pm

I thought Obama looked disinterested.

As if he would win by sheer Obamaness.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
11:46 pm

I don’t believe a word mitt say.

I listened to all his lies before and know it is bs because I checked them out.

I am consistent.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
11:47 pm

Mick

Several commentators: policy wonk Romney had too many specifics

Dude, you’ve consumed too much koolaid

The same people whining about Romney specifics have asked nothing of Obama

And this is politics

There is only going to be so much detail

Get over it

Obambarrassment

October 3rd, 2012
11:47 pm

Regarding Romney being exposed:

If Obama had really tried to push the issue about Romney’s supposed tax cuts not jiving with budget deficits, I could only imagine my dream reply coming from Romney’s mouth:

“You know what Mr. President, you’re right. It’s going to take a bipartisan effort to get this done and it will be difficult in Washington, as you already know. But what are you talking about here? Me not being able to cut the deficit? You sir, have shown that not only do you not have the skills, ability or desire to cut the deficit, but neither does your party. In witness to this, you and your party’s congressional leaders have not passed a budget since you took office. In fact, my running mate’s budget received more bipartisan support in both houses of Congress in one year than any of your unrealistic budgets have in four.

We’ve tried it your way, Mr. President, but on this subject, you have shown yourself to be entirely capable of leading from the front or from behind. It seems, Mr. President that you are simply sitting on the sidelines, watching the deficit inflate and trying to pick apart any earnest plan authored by anyone who disagrees with you.

Whap, Bam!

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:47 pm

Train Wreck

October 3rd, 2012
11:44 pm

LMAO!! You crackin me up!! Keep em coming.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
11:48 pm

The President said his big tax plan is now nevermind.

Fact check that.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
11:48 pm

Micks reaction will be typical for the left

That’s ok, Romney needs the independents

Atlanta Mom

October 3rd, 2012
11:49 pm

Towncrier
“Unless, of course, Biden really steps in it with a bad gaffe. That will leave a mark”
And goodness knows, it’s quite possible.

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:50 pm

Those PMSers are making more excuses and getting more giddy by the minute.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
11:50 pm

Mick,

I could feel Americans changing the channel after 5 minutes.

They had no idea who won and it was boring.

Some crazy guy with crazy eyes lying.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
11:50 pm

Ok lights out

Good job Romney

gm

October 3rd, 2012
11:50 pm

Wow, Romney fooled the wing nuts on the right all year with I will appeal Obama care, yet loves most of Obama care, then he embrace Obama care bragging how he helped Mass.

If I was a right winger I would say Rick S. was right about this guy, one thing about Obama hate or love him he has been consistant in what he believes in, I hope the people in the swing states got a good look at Mitt, especially if you are under 65 and worried about medicade this guy will turn the program up side down.

Obama let this guy put his foot in his mouth, while he continued to speak to seniors, students, minorties, and these right winger believe they really won, ha, ha,

Obambarrassment

October 3rd, 2012
11:51 pm

bman,

Biden’s not bad at debating the issues, huh?

That’s an unqualified statement if I ever saw one.

We’ll see if he is, especially if he’s even debating the issues the moderator or Ryan are asking about.

Biden is the gift that keeps on giving… It’s like Obama’s present to conservatives.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
11:52 pm

“thought Obama looked disinterested.”

Yeah, he does have a job.

Probably thinking about engaging Syria or something bigger than a debate.

Atlanta Mom

October 3rd, 2012
11:52 pm

Romney said more than once, he’s reducing tax rates and reducing deductions. WHAT DEDUCTIONS?
I can tell you as a middle class American (with no mortgage deduction because we had a 15 yr mortgage and paid it off), I will break even under Romney’s plan (such as folks can figure out what it is).
If I have a mortgage interest deduction, I would be paying a lot more under Romney’s plan

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:53 pm

“Hey cons, Obama care is Romney care, it was a copy of Rom nuts own idea.”

You have clearly eaten too much cheese.

Train Wreck

October 3rd, 2012
11:53 pm

Romney duped no one but the cons he already had in his corner. The racist slant of PBS is only going to sway undecided people his way. Big bird is racist and a right wing nut. Boycott PBS! Leher needs to go back to his casket.

Mick

October 3rd, 2012
11:53 pm

jm

My reaction is that romney still didn’t say what he would cut, that’s a fact. If an independent still hasn’t made up their mind, then so be it. There are two more of these and the testosterone lovefest for romney here is a bit over the top, but hey he’s your guy, have some fun with it while it lasts…

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 pm

Well, Jay….I guess you are turning out to have been wrong about the attention the 07 Obama tape would get:

=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/us/politics/07-talk-by-obama-resurfaces-renewing-questions-on-race.html?hp&_r=0

=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/81973.html

Sorry, but it is going to matter some. Maybe not as much as the Romney tape, but I suspect it will leave a mark nonetheless.

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 pm

Atlanta Mom

October 3rd, 2012
11:52 pm

You dont know what you are talking about.

Train Wreck

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 pm

Iggy you con hannity drudge loving fool, crawl back under your trailer and listen to some country music!

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 pm

Train Wreck

October 3rd, 2012
11:53 pm

Big Bird a racist….I KNEW IT!!! DAMN U BIG BIRD!!!

LMAO!!!

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 pm

“And goodness knows, it’s quite possible.”

To this very day, I have not understood why Obama chose Biden as his running mate. In some respects, he strikes me as bad a choice as Palin was.

Atlanta Mom

October 3rd, 2012
11:57 pm

Towncrier,
I watched that entire tape, and all that God talk bothered me a lot more than any of that other nonsense the right wing wants me to be bothered about.

Hoover is my hero

October 3rd, 2012
11:58 pm

Was the contest about who could interupt the moderator the most times? Romney wins that one. I guess it’s ok to be arrogant if you’re not black (then it would be “uppity”).

gm

October 3rd, 2012
11:58 pm

There is no way lib would let a person during primary say one thing to the base then get on stage in general and support the things he hated, this shows the mentality of the right voters.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
11:59 pm

Atl mom,

You clearly misunderstood Romney. He was talking about his plan. He wasn’t saying that kids nowadays can get individual coverage with pre-existing conditions throughout the country. It looks like you were hearing what you wanted to hear.

Train Wreck

October 3rd, 2012
11:59 pm

What’s wrong iggy, night shift at the porn parlor going slow tonight? Obama wins in a landslide….guaranteed. Dudnt that piss u off?

Atlanta Mom

October 3rd, 2012
11:59 pm

igggy,
Maybe you could elucidate? As a CPA in my former life, I feel I’m on pretty comfortable grounds here.

Obambarrassment

October 4th, 2012
12:00 am

Atlanta Mom,

Tomorrow Team Obama is going to be in full panic mode. I’ll bet they have an emergency sedative to pump into Biden’s arm on debate night if Biden starts to go into full Biden-mode.

One difficulty Ryan has is that you just can’t prepare for the load of fabricated whole-crap that’s going to come out of Biden’s mouth. I think it was all Sarah Palin could do to appear unruffled when he argued his complete nonsense last year, and I really look forward myself to giving here on this blog, concrete examples of the absurdity that is Joe Biden next week after that debate.

Barack Obama isn’t a stupid fellow, at least not seemingly, but one mark against someone, a mark that indicates that they are a poor leader or manager is to hire an inept individual and give that person real authority to really screw up something huge. Joe Biden is that indication–and Eric Holder may be too, time will tell. Van Jones was.

I love Biden because he’s the reliable and visible signpost that says, “Obama’s really not that good a President” if he selected this guy from all other Americans to be his veep.

Thulsa Doom

October 4th, 2012
12:00 am

“I guess it’s ok to be arrogant if you’re not black (then it would be “uppity”).”

You knew they could only go so long before injecting race into it.

gm

October 4th, 2012
12:02 am

Very smart Obama during the whole debate he kept saying how he would defend seniors and students and the middle class, sure Mitt you won the debate but Obama won with the middle class””””’

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:04 am

Train Wreck

I will be voting for Obama, but you are a putz……………..

Damn man. Quit the crying. I still think it is Obama’s race to lose, but he he did lose this round.

Get over it

Train Wreck

October 4th, 2012
12:04 am

Yo Iggy the twiggy racist con job – notice this is a blog for free thinkers and intelligent people? Take your crap to faux news or pbs and be with your own deplorable kind. What are you, leher’s baby daddy or Something?

iggy

October 4th, 2012
12:04 am

Chris Matthews is still having seizures.

Atlanta Mom

October 4th, 2012
12:05 am

Doom,
I don’t get it. I’m not talking about pre-existing conditions. I am talking about children (that’s some much easier to say than sons and daughters) who may not otherwise have coverage. In my case, three daughters (okay, I admit it) in graduate school. Romney said “Number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. That’s already offered in the private marketplace. You don’t have to have the government mandate that for that to occur.”
That was not offered in the market place until it was mandated.

Obambarrassment

October 4th, 2012
12:05 am

Towncrier,

100 times worse than Palin.

Palin was merely a fresh and capable hand brought into a national spotlight she wasn’t ready for. Biden’s a crusty old barnacle who’s outlived whatever usefulness he had existing as a Washington man all of his adult working life. …. and he’s at least 100 times more gaffe happy and 10 times as stupid as Sarah Palin was ever portrayed to be.

If McCain was a good candidate, Sarah Palin would have been a non-issue.

The great thing about Biden is that he is a screaming, glaring crack in the imperious facade that is the Obama administration–that neither the media nor Obama himself seem to take notice of.

My guess is that Obama kept Biden around only because Valerie Jarrett and Michelle and Barack aren’t threatened by such a dim-witted fellow in their hip pocket.

iggy

October 4th, 2012
12:06 am

Train Wreck

October 4th, 2012
12:04 am

LMAO!!!! Too funny!!

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:06 am

Now they are going back to figure out what mitt said and it does not make any sense.

Duh.

They BOTH suck

October 4th, 2012
12:06 am

“notice this is a blog for free thinkers and intelligent people?”

Then it is time for you to ban yourself based on that criteria……

Thanks for acknowledging that.

Obambarrassment

October 4th, 2012
12:06 am

Put another way, Biden is always undressing the emperor, until a little boy notices and starts laughing at the whole spectacle.

Obambarrassment

October 4th, 2012
12:08 am

gm 1202,

Dream on. Dream until your dreams come true, man.

getalife

October 4th, 2012
12:08 am

Yet our President was consistent.

iggy

October 4th, 2012
12:08 am

56% say their opinion of non-commited voters have changed their views on Romney – Chris Matthews.

Towncrier

October 4th, 2012
12:09 am

“One difficulty Ryan has is that you just can’t prepare for the load of fabricated whole-crap that’s going to come out of Biden’s mouth.”

Here is what you might get from VP Biden in his debate:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2012/08/11/ryan_vs_biden

It is scary, really.

Train Wreck

October 4th, 2012
12:09 am

Both suck troll- Obama lost? Where’s your facts? He didn’t lose he was treated unfairly and the disrespect by PBS was near criminal. He is the president. It was and is clear Jim Leher was pro Romney. Obama tried to be respectful and even looked at him with a finger raised and he got no response. This was rigged. Rewatch for yourself and turn off faux news.

Mo O in 0′12!

iggy

October 4th, 2012
12:10 am

56% of non-committed voters say their opinion of Romney has changed. Chris Matthews.

Oscar

October 4th, 2012
12:11 am

That was not offered in the market place until it was mandated.

________

That’s exactly right. I had two daughters in graduate school and had to buy each of them individual policies that were not cheap. Just glad they had no pre-existing conditions that I couldn’t cover out of my pocket.

iggy

October 4th, 2012
12:11 am

PBS is chock full of criminals, or so I hear. And they are racist criminals…LMAO!!