Obama vs. Romney, head to head in Denver

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9:03: And … they’re off, from the Magnus Arena in Denver. May the best candidate win.

9:15: Obama’s off-base on the claim that Romney proposes another $5 trillion in tax cuts. Romney’s right — with deductions reduced, the tax cut would not be anywhere near that large. Of course, Romney hasn’t explained WHICH deductions, and the deductions in play could not eliminate all or close to all of that $5 trillion …

9:22: Romney doing well, I think. Obama on the defensive.

9:31: Obama brings up Romney’s position in the primary that he would not accept $10 in budget cuts for $1 in revenue increases. A telling point.

9:34: Romney again rules out revenue increases absolutely. That makes progress against the deficit and the debt impossible. It makes the scale of cuts in Medicare and Medicaid and other programs, including defense, impossible to sustain. But Obama is not making that argument well.

9:48: Romney put more time into preparation, and it shows. Obama is missing opportunities.

9:51: Romney endorses the need for regulation. He is making the transition from primary to general election that he had not previously made.

9:57: Romney hints at the “death panel” argument, then lauds his own state version of ObamaCare.

10:04: Obama continues to leave opportunities on the table.

10:09: Romney beating on the “death panel” angle. All Obama needs to say is: “Governor, the plan that you implemented in Massachusetts has an identical panel that does the exact same thing.” But he does not.

10:18: Again, Romney better prepared and Obama is oddly passive, failing to strike at his opponent’s vulnerabilities. A strong night for the former governor of Massachusetts. A weak performance by the incumbent.

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With Barack Obama holding a sturdy if somewhat narrow lead of three to four points in the polls, and a broader lead in most electoral college projections, he and Republican challenger Mitt Romney meet tonight in Denver for the first of three presidential debates.

Typically, these events have the air of a Vegas prize fight. But having covered a few of those fights, I can tell you that there’s one big difference. In boxing, both camps boast endlessly beforehand about the whupping that their guy is going to put on the unlucky sap across the ring. Political handlers play just the opposite game, trying to underplay their man’s chances.

In recent days, it’s also been interesting to see Romney start to add some details to a previous vacuum of specifics, revealing that as president he would honor the two-year waiver granted to illegal immigrants brought here as children, and that he would limit more affluent taxpayers to $17,000 in deductions to at least partially offset his proposed 20 percent reduction in tax rates. I suspect that debate preparations convinced his camp that going into tonight without such details would have left him too exposed.

So stay tuned.

– Jay Bookman

850 comments Add your comment

bman

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 pm

TBG .. .. From what I’m reading here, Romney is doing better.

My question is : is he coming across as likeable?

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 pm

Collaboration Mitt

Boom

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 pm

“$90 billion in failed green jobs would have hired 2 million teachers.”

Ouch

Ahem

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 pm

Common Sense isn’t very Common

October 3rd, 2012
8:04 pm
Jay

You will tell who we think wins, won’t you

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Any comment after this opening truth is not worth offering. The TRUTH commands.

But, I couldn’t be strong enough to be silent, so:
Obama looked sick; pissed off; arrogant; and outclassed.

scott

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 pm

getalife…that is your problem. You do not understand what states rights are versus what the role of federal government is

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 pm

Our President did meet with leaders mitt.

He is freaking out.

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

Romney is eating Obama alive!
OBAMA is toast. :-)

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

Good line from Obama

td

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

Obama actually got in a zinger.

scott

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

yeah obama….maybe he can handle it like you did and say “I won you lost…too bad”

They BOTH suck

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

going to be a civil war…………

hahahahhaha

clown

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

Wham on meeting with Dems after repealing ObamaCare.

Billybob

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

obama is flustered and the contempt on the obamacare 1st day comment was enlightening….people are seeing this and nothing jay can spin can change it……

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
10:27 pm

Atlanta mom,

Are you aware of the fact that when ACA was passed that insurance companies then quit issuing child only health insurance policies? Did you know that?

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:27 pm

“Our President did meet with leaders mitt.”

No he did not.
Caesar Obama had the DemocRat Congress PUSH through Obamacare without ONE republican vote.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:27 pm

Tbs

Have anything of substance to say? Guess not.

Divide and Conquer

October 3rd, 2012
10:27 pm

TBS, are you done pretending you are not a lefty? Obama might be a disappointment to you, but still you lean hard left. I understand, Romney sucks, but still – Obama for 4 more…. Hee heee hee.

I actually want to see that. Maybe he will change his name to Benito.

Ahem

October 3rd, 2012
10:28 pm

9:48: Romney put more time into preparation, and it shows. Obama is missing opportunities

Oblunda is known to be arrogantly LAZY.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
10:28 pm

scoot,

States run State government not federal government.

Is politics too complicated for you?

JamVet

October 3rd, 2012
10:28 pm

Have they gotten to the swimsuit competition yet?

Billybob

October 3rd, 2012
10:29 pm

the extreme wing of the dems is running things and has said no to anybody that disagrees with them for 4 years now……he has pitted one person against the other….his words in last minute do not mirror his words as he speaks across this country day after day

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
10:29 pm

Obama is fumbling and getting angry as hell. Watch him “flash” only for a millisecond, but he is angry and frustrated as hell.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:29 pm

Obama pitches himself pretty well as a reasonable levelheaded guy

Many of his policies just suck

And Romney is clearly a better option

Ahem

October 3rd, 2012
10:29 pm

The Oblunda campaign would have been better served by offering either an empty chair or a KIA hamster. :-)

Orange12

October 3rd, 2012
10:29 pm

I think the polls might change a little towards Romney.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

usmc,

Liar,. gop were in the meetings .

tireofit

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

Still waiting on Romney’s details. Not much leadership there.

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

I wish I had a dollar for every time Obama says FOUR YEARS AGO(read it’s all George Bush’s fault) when I took over I would be a millionaire over and over again… :-)

Atlanta mom

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

Doom, yes I know that. I also know that students/young adults can also now have coverage that they previously might not have had.

scott

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

getalife…he is making the point that he would give up the federal government takeover of states rights. It is obvious that you have no clue about how this major concept was built into our constitution and the bill of rights. Why don’t you pick up a copy and read it. Tell us where you see that it is a federal government’s job to take on healthcare.

td

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
10:28 pm

Your President just took a butt whipping my friend.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

Oh my god. Obama is talking about closing the deficit when the govt has added another 5 trillion in debt. Is the guy for real?

Billybob

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

weak last line by obama….he is begging for people to keep buying obamaphones and vote for him

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

Weak prez close.

Romney- prez tuning in? ?

Tealiban Party

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 pm

Funny how Romney wasn’t worried abou the direction of the economy 4+ years ago…

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm

miit never told us how he will get the gop to vote for the middle class.

He can’t change the gop.

barking frog

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm

trickle down economy,
trickle down government,
whole lotta tricklin goin on…

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm

“Liar,. gop were in the meetings”

They were shut out Getalife. Oh wait, Romney is getting ready to lower the BOOM!

LOOK AT THE RECORD!

They BOTH suck

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm

Jm

you are the dumb ass talking civil war………

speaking of substance…………. YOU LOSE

Tealiban Party

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm

I’ll get incomes up again. HOW

Orange12

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm

Romey’s concerned about America and Obama is concerned about his Grandma.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm

Mitt is only concerned about the direction of America in the last 4 yrs? He was okay with the Bush recession and the direction under Bush.

Atlanta mom

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

Doom,
My original point stands. Romney said those students/young people were always able to be covered. That was not true.

scott

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

getalife…he met with them. oh that’s right…i remember seeing all of those promised meetings on CSPAN to see who stood for what. you are clueless my friend

Tealiban Party

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

Ill create 12 million jobs. HOW?

(BTW estimates already say that will happen anyway).

tireofit

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

How Mr. Willard?

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

“I also know that students/young adults can also now have coverage that they previously might not have had.”

Really? And how is that? How can they get coverage today that they supposedly couldn’t get 4 years ago? How?

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

Obama’s TRICKLE UP POVERTY has destroyed our economy!
Americans are tired of Obama’s Food Stamp economy… :-)

Ahem

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Oblunda’s facial expressions told it all.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

I wouldn’t restore the $716 billion to Medicare

Good promise

Bad policy

Romney won

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

Just my opinion but since Obama was hasn’t had a debate in such a long time he should have scheduled press conferences to get sharper on thinking on his feet.

JMHO

Billybob

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 pm

Jay

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 pm

As I note above:

My verdict would be a Romney victory. Maybe it was overconfidence on Obama’s part, but whatever the cause, he performed poorly. If overconfidence was indeed the issue, I doubt that will be the case next time. There’s certainly no cause for it.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 pm

2 decent guys

Romney better prez

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 pm

We don’t outsource federal government to State government.

mitt will collapse our economy again by deregulating the banks.

Stock up on supplies if he wins.

That Black Guy

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 pm

bman

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 pm

TBG .. .. From what I’m reading here, Romney is doing better.

My question is : is he coming across as likeable?
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Bad question for me.

I don’t need to like you (have a beer with you) to vote for you.

The neighborhood drug dealer is likeable when he is trying to get your money.
The lounge lizard at the singles bar is likeable to that woman he’s trying to take home.
The sleazy car dealer is likeable while he sells you that lemon.

Ahem

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 pm

barking frog

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm
trickle down economy,
trickle down government,
whole lotta tricklin goin on…

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Pass the tissues, please.

BuckeyeInGa

October 3rd, 2012
10:34 pm

Romney took this debate. President Obama was way too passive.

Get Real

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 pm

Geez…..get a friggin life people

bman

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 pm

TBG lol I get ya

But you know, Newt Gingrich is never likeable.

Orange12

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 pm

Jay, President Obama just was not prepared for this one.

Divide and Conquer

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 pm

Tealiban, did he specify which country? Income is up in India. ;-)

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 pm

PBS Commentators – Romney presented too much detail

:) .

Well I guess that settles that

They BOTH suck

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm

Polls will show Romney won Rd 1

Billybob

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm

msnbc looks like they want to cry…..priceless

td

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm

Jay

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 pm

Well I take back my previous post about your prepared Obama victory column and just say your credibility just went up in my book.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm

“Romney said those students/young people were always able to be covered.”

I did not hear him say that. But if he was referring to group plans then those 22-26 year old “children” could have their own coverage via either individual plans which are cheaper than a parent’s group plan or they could get coverage through their own group plan at work. You do expect a 22-26 year “child” to have a job right?

Jay

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm

Orange, I fully agree.

Ahem

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm

10:18: Again, Romney better prepared and Obama is oddly passive, failing to strike at his opponent’s vulnerabilities. A strong night for the former governor of Massachusetts. A weak performance by the incumbent.

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As I stated earlier today in response to a member of the loyal opposition: Well, Sumbi+ch.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm

Romney pointed out need for regulation

Mick

October 3rd, 2012
10:37 pm

Thudd…..didn’t like the format, neither candidate gained or lost…

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
10:37 pm

Obama picked the energy losers. Funny!

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:37 pm

“My verdict would be a Romney victory. Maybe it was overconfidence on Obama’s part, but whatever the cause, he performed poorly. If overconfidence was indeed the issue, I doubt that will be the case next time. There’s certainly no cause for it.”–JAY BOOKMAN

I applaud your honesty Jay. By the way, CNN is agreeing with you. :-)

barking frog

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 pm

Ahem
tissues or paper towels,
tears or trickles ?

Tealiban Party

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 pm

too much detail??? HA!

td

October 3rd, 2012
10:39 pm

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:37 pm

“CNN is agreeing with you.”

So does most of the MSNBC reporters.

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:39 pm

I don’t think polls will move much though

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
10:39 pm

How do you win a debate with no specific plans?

That does not make sense Jay.

mitt looked at our President with a crazy look in his eyes.

Our President was creeped out.

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
10:39 pm

Lets hand out the crying towels to the left side of the aisle and demonstrate we can be good winners.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm

Obama also looked tired and listless. The office does take its toll on people. I just heard a commentator talking about Obama constantly looking down and having a smirk on his face- the same smirk I was referring to that looked bad.

Common Sense isn't very Common

October 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm

UNSHACKLE WALLSTREET, but not all the way

–Mitt Romney

Atlanta mom

October 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm

Doom that age group has had a problem finding full time jobs with the mess with the economy.

Divide and Conquer

October 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm

Holy crap! I need to go to bed. I must rest in order to facilitate the transfer of wealth from the slag heap of Dems to the D-bag Repubs via the working class(those of us that still have jobs).

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm

That was fun. Goodnight everyone.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 pm

Jm,

Unfortunately you are probably right. Way to many disconnected people out there who just don’t give a shyte. And that’s a shame.

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 pm

OMG, The Liberals on CNN are piling on.
They are unanimous that ROMNEY WON the debate!

Mary Elizabeth

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 pm

I agree with Jay’s running assessment of the debate from 9:03 to 10:18 and I agree that from the standpoint of aggressiveness toward his positions, Romney was better than Obama

I also think that Romney correctly stated at the end of the debate that this election will be a choice between two different directions that the country will take. This was not a boxing match. Even if the president lost to Romney, the direction that Romney would take the country would be hurtful to the working and middle class people of this nation.

td

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 pm

Chris Matthews is about to explode.

That Black Guy

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 pm

bman

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 pm

TBG lol I get ya

But you know, Newt Gingrich is never likeable.
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True. Newt just looked smarmy. Is that a real word? :lol:

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 pm

Chris Matthews is having a meltdown, as is Ed from The Ed Show.

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 pm

“TRICKLE DOWN” government doesn’t work! :-)

Jm

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 pm

Jay 9:48 up above

Being prez does reduce debate prep time

Maybe less time on the golf course :)

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 pm

“Doom that age group has had a problem finding full time jobs with the mess with the economy”

Exactly. Thank you for making that point.

iggy

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 pm

Ryan is gonna smash Biden…I cant wait.

rivercard

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 pm

Not only an ass kicking, but capitulation bordering on outright surrender. Watching Obama morph into George Herbert Bush was painful.

USMC

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 pm

“Chris Matthews is having a meltdown, as is Ed from The Ed Show.”

The TRUTH hurts.

Obama LOST the debate and furthermore did not look as Presidential as Mitt Romney.

curious

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 pm

Round 1 to Romney.

Granny Godzilla

October 3rd, 2012
10:45 pm

Romney gets this debate

Obama should not have been soassive.

Still would cut off a body part rather vote Romney

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
10:45 pm

Our President started out slow but woke up in the middle and crushed him at the end.

No specific to mitt’s plans was hammered over and over and mitt’s solutions are let States worry about it.

He agreed with our President too much to win a debate.

Perhaps Jay can write a piece in the morning to detail how mitt won this debate.