Do debates and analysis alter viewpoint? Research says yes

first?

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that’s right…female dogs

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Do debates and analysis alter viewpoint?
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A Debate between a Gorbachev Communist Statist against a Yeltsin Freedom fighter ……..then yes.
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Between two Morally bankrupt central-planners……………………no.
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Merely state-sponsored Kabuki.

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Those who watched the NBC analysis, which in the researchers’ opinion had been more favorable to Bush, were more than twice as likely to say that Bush had won compared to those who watched the debate without exposure to outside analysis.

But…but…but…GE is in the tank for Democrats.

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But also, the more important question.

After saying who “won” the debate, how many people actually would consider changing their vote? (and did?)

Sure, analysis can help say who won a debate, but heck, the winner of a debate may show off better, have better “zingers”, or just come across with better with more sleep.

I’ve quit watching debates because answers usually form the “I’ll ignore the question and say what I want to anyway” meme.

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Oh the horror if Fox says Mitt lost tonight’s debate….. that dang liberal media

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Anyone want to venture a guess as to how soon Mitt commits a gaffe?

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I like Jim Lehrer, but let JamVet moderate!

I’d only have a couple of ground rules. (Aside from those silly. “You have 30 seconds to respond, Mr. Romney” kind of rules.)

I will ask you two gentlemen direct, simple to understand questions.

You will answer them.

The first time you don’t, you will be warned.

The second time you will be declared the loser and asked to leave the stage.

The whole damn thing would take about five minutes!

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Pea will let corporate media do his thinking.

Watch the debate and think yourself Pea.

Intellectual laziness.

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from http://sitemason.vanderbilt.edu/files/jUY0rm/Fridkin.pdf

One-hundred-forty-five subjects were recruited

There were no
statistically significant differences among the six groups in terms of political interest, attention
to the news, or demographic characteristics

and evidently only a portion of those made it into the graph above.

25 in the first group, 25 in the second group and 24 in the third group.

thus, the results, though intriguing, have a large amount of error built in due to the small sample sizes.

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Jamvet-I like your rules!

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I think his handlers will have Mitt on a VERY short leash.

There is no way in their Christian hell he will be allowed to make any more asinine comments about 47% moochers, American ambassadors sympathizing with their attackers. the English botching the Olympics, corporations are people, my friend, I like being able to fire people, I’m not concerned about the very poor and nNo one’s ever asked to see my birth certificate.

Hell, he is probably gonna be too gunshy to even mention Ronald Reagan!

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Pea,

I will be watching because it is important and I like to stay informed when I blog.

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Good for you, getalife.

The debates won’t change my mind. I don’t like either one of them.

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Will the debate be available in it’s entirety so that 5 years from now no one can claim that the liberal media edited out all the damming footage to make Obama look better?

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What’s a honey boo boo? Sounds like some ghetto show on VH1 or BET or something. I don’t have cable, dish, etc.

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I find it hard to accept that analysis by “liberal media” kingpin NBC resulted in a Bush “win”.

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“Researchers also took a look at whether partisan differences played any role. Democrats, they found, were much more open to changing their minds about the candidates based on what they had seen in the debates and subsequent analysis, while Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.”

Or it could be that Republicans are generally better informed to begin with and thus less likely to change their mind. They do after all generally have higher incomes and higher educational attainment than Democrats and thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.

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getalife,

Respect Saban. Do it. Do it now!

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I don’t watch trash t.v., getalife.

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jconservative,

Russet was gop.

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Doom,

No.

Pea,

It is not “Ghetto” or” trash”.

It is funny and very popular.

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That isn’t an accurate poll and there is no way to get an “accurate” poll based on the methodology.

What a bunch of crap. Are you really this bored Jay?

Unless ALL THREE groups were asked who won immediately after the debate and THEN asked again after they watched the analysis you have no accurate data to compare. Who changed their minds between the end of the debate and the end of the spin?

Even that way isn’t accurate. Who WOULDN’T change their mind despite the spin just because once they answered a question one way there wasn’t a chance in hell they would admit to changing their minds.

Wow Jay. Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZcYP00b2FI

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Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
3:17 pm

Anybody who believes what Obama and Romney are saying, without questioning them, are un-educated. You have to take what these politicians say w/ a grain of salt. They’re playing y’all like a fiddle.

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Breaking:

Turkey fires on Syrian targets.

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You have to take what these politicians say w/ a grain of salt.

Peadawg,

Thank you for the pearl of wisdom.

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Tomorrow I will be releasing exclusive video of Mitt Romney at the debate using his “white guy accented voice”

Heh, heh, heh.

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Pea,

My point is I will multitask.

Watch the debate and live blog here.

Join us.

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Jay: I don’t claim to be an expert on it

And the article does say that there is a “statistical signfiicance” to the results at the very very bottom, so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.

But I’m still a little wary of a group of 74 and basing results off of what could be just a couple of impressionable people rather than a larger sample size that would give me better confidence in the results.

Alas, they were inhibited by cost of getting “general population” subjects rather than just “university” subjects for the research. It also would be nice to see if a duplicate study has been done on subsequent debates.

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JAY,

Would you agree that the most important variable in the outcome of this race is voter turnout? Since this can’t be projected by all these polls (at least Rasmussen doesn’t assume same 2008 turnout for BO but a more conservative blend of 2000, 2004 and 2008) we will learn a lot about what having 80 some odd polls really means in due time..

Of course, while not supported by many, it seems to me that these polls will be a battle cry for the righties to get out and vote in number that vastly exceeds 2008 rightie turnout…

Tonite will be fun…I’d be surprised if both sides didn’t declare victory…I’m sure no one to the LEFT on this forum would ever admit if BO lost debate convincingly…

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What’s a honey boo boo? Sounds like some ghetto show

Yes. From what I’ve been led to believe, that’s largely correct.

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“They do after all generally have higher incomes and higher educational attainment than Democrats and thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.”

That is why your arrogant party is toast. It’s laughable that you think cons are more knowledgeable.

Here’s a brief summary of republican knowledge.

The earth is 6000 years old (although carbon dating proves otherwise).

Trickle down economics works (although history has proven otherwise).

This country was based on religion (although history has proven otherwise).

Reagan was a conservative (although history has proven otherwise).

Romney will win in November (although the polls say otherwise).

Fox News is fair and balanced (no comment necessary).

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I will be herding cats tonight. Gotta take em for their nightly walk.

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I usually tune in to CSPAN for debates, just to spare myself hearing the endless pre-game show. Afterward, I usually check the major outlets to see what the bobbleheads have to say.

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“At least one reason conservatives are less likely to change their minds after a debate is that they are less open to learning new things in general.”

Put another way, cons can never admit when they are wrong. None of them.

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There is a big difference tonight with a bipartisan audience than there was with the Republican primary which reminded me of the old Grong Game Show. Even the Democratic Primaries of Obama and Clinton are closer models of tonight than the cowboy choir of the Republicans. The Republicans who claim the upper society looked like one of those cage wrestling matches where a dozen masked men go after each other. My guess is Mitt will disenfranchise this crowd tonight and come out with the opera music. If Obama could somehow replay the then and now and be able to comment on this in his arguments he will get the king of flip flop with his burglar tools.

I wonder if Hannity hasn’t predicted this and instead of going back a few months showed people stuff from five years ago to lay a foundation tonight for checking any history lessons. I think everything that has come out in the last week is postured for this debate. I hope Wright comes up, that is not swing vote material, could be anti swing vote.

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Jay,

That’s just an exit poll. It doesn’t represent the incomes of millions of folks- more like 17,000. Also its a pretty well known fact of life that the more affluent suburbs with higher incomes and educational attainment tend to vote R and the less affluent areas tend to vote D. I don’t think there’s a whole lotta dispute about that.

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getalife,

You may be jumping the gun on Mett. He’s looked good against the lesser competition but against regular sec competition like the Auburn defense he was downright average. We’ll know a lot more about him after we see him against the Florida defense this week which is a really good defense.

As for Honey badger I hope he can kick the week problem. He’s a great player and quite a talent to watch.

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It’s a pretty well known fact of life that I will win the Oscar for best director next year.

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Well, I sure hope they have lots of analysis after the debates tonight. If Romney took on little Nathan Zell George in a debate, my money would be on the kid.

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TD

Actually, blue states as a whole have higher levels of college educated folks then red states. Of course that is not an absolute for every red or blue state, but it is on average a fact

Of course that isn’t a party breakdown, but you have posted an assertion yourself

Would you mind backing it up with facts?

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I wonder how much influence the audience participation has with ones’ opinion of who won…should we anticipate a DEM skewed group?

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Here’s my chart on who will win tonight:

Obama : _________ >

Romney : ________________________________________________________ >

There ……… that settles that !

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I don’t think Jay has used the word ass in most any form. If anything, he may have used jackassery or something, but not those other suggestions.

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PEADAWG,

I couldn’t agree more…however, as i’m writing this I’m thinking that perhaps my moniker for boyfriend, he really does have a face that resembles an ass..shape…may be too lofty for these two self serving, money grubbers..

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“………………while Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.”

As if we needed scientific research to prove that.

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the cat

October 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

Thulsa-Jay has used the term azzhat himself but good try.

the cat,

Looks to me like Jay disputes you. You’ll have to take it up with him. But good try.

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Doom,

I think Mett wants to leave LSU because he got booed and nobody likes the weirdo. He will probably not be drafted but I will be glad he is gone. I think honey badger will come back because he will be drafted after he proves himself. He will get paid millions to stay off the weed.

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“I usually tune in to CSPAN for debates, just to spare myself hearing the endless pre-game show.”

Amen

“That is my usual preference as well. I don’t really care for all the gobbledygook mumbling from all the talking heads. I am perfectly capable of comprehending what I hear and forming my own opinion based upon my own knowledge base.”

And amen.

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Do debates and analysis alter viewpoint? Research says yes

Do the lack of jobs; record high gas prices; and a looming second recession alter voters viewpoints on the “Status Quo Bro”? You betcha!

October 3, 2012
U.S. Nongovernment Job Creation Stalls
State and local government hiring sustain national picture
by Lymari MoralesWASHINGTON, D.C. — U.S. nongovernment workers reported worse job creation conditions in September than they have in any month since February. Gallup’s Job Creation Index score of +21 among nongovernment workers is down from +23 in August and a high of +25 in April. At the same time, the job creation climate within state and local government became even more positive, helping to sustain U.S. job creation nationally.

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“Mitt could be muzzled like Hannible Lector and the cons would still claim he won the debate.”

Muzzling him would increase his chances.

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Also its a pretty well known fact of life that the more affluent suburbs with higher incomes and educational attainment tend to vote R and the less affluent areas tend to vote D. I don’t think there’s a whole lotta dispute about that.

Life in the rabbit hole.

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“They are more informed”

Shows how “uninformed” I am about the issues.

Glad TD is here to “inform” us…….

We would all be lost

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“They do after all generally have higher incomes and higher educational attainment than Democrats and thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.”

Acquired knowledge does NOT necessarily for wisdom make. I have known people without college degrees who are amazingly smart and sage.

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If you get tired of the debate, the new South Park at 10 will lampoon honey boo boo.

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Oddly enough, the dems on this blog want to paint Republicans as white trash stupid, etc. Let’s recap – they are wealthier, more educated, (and I hit a couple of links showing they were more informed and have higher IQ’s also.)

But yeah, we are all stupid because we don’t agree with you right?

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alittlecommonsense

Thanks for the info. I figured as much on the income side, but wasn’t completly sure about the education side.

I knew that blue states on average have more college educated folks, but didn’t know party breakdown.

Now does that equate to being more informed about the issues as Thulsa asserted? Not really, but he was correct on the income and education based on your information

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Keep Up,

“Perhaps a “spot the zinger” contest…”

Perhaps one should eat one of these after every zinger and see who can take advantage of the ACA’s diabetes care. http://www.hostesscakes.com/products/zingers

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But yeah, we are all stupid because we don’t agree with you right?

Correct.

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“But yeah, we are all stupid because we don’t agree with you right?”

How have you not gotten that yet, genius? . I remember on an atheist blog once this one guy kept saying how people who believed in God were morons, imbeciles and the like. Till I reminded him that arguably the smartest person to have lived in the past 500 years did as well. He stopped posting that day after that.

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The debate wont matter because the 47% will not watch it. They will get the gist from the liberal biased media tomorrow. You know, the answer to that. Obama gives until it hurts—literally. And Mitt is just a white rich guy.

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It’s no secret that I am dating Sarah Shahi.

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TD

This thing is not over, but unless something changes, not sure what good all that is going to do you on election night…….

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After my survey the poll was Romney 67% and Obama 23% with 10% still asking where is the chaff.

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“But yeah, we are all stupid because we don’t agree with you right?”

Well actually, that goes both ways depending on who is blogging at any given time. Don’t be so selective in your condemnation?

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Jay,

Well now in every election we watch the returns and we know from election returns that generally speaking the wealthier suburban areas tend to vote R and the poorer urban areas tend to vote D. Is this news to anyone?

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…10% still asking where is the chaff.

Would that be the Todd Akin pregnancy preventing vagina chaff?

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Price of gas when Obama took office: $1.81

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Willie, quit crying and find a decent candidate next time!

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“The MSNBC analysis concluded that Obama won the debate, so there is no need for me to actually watch tonight. ”

Oh..snap…how did that leak out before the actual debate??? Dang MSNBC being careless once again.

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Don’t try to introduce reality into Jay’s “World of Hackery” Ahem. Jay and his 24 hour/day Toady’s don’t respond well to it. This is all they got.

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Thulsa

Look in the mirror big boy……………..

Don’t be mad because someone is giving you back what you like to give out.

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I’m pretty much with Peadawg on this one…I may or may not have it on as background noise, but it’ll be pretty much the same old same old.

GETALIFE
It seems that Assad has armed the Armenian community in Aleppo. They had tried to stay out of it, but now that Turkey is coming in full tilt on the side of the Sunnis the Armenians are under no delusions of what’s in store for them…

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“Price of gas when Obama took office: $1.81″

Jay!!! This destroys your whole premise!!!! That whole survey is meaningless now!!!!! Thank gods we found out in time!!!!

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“Price of gas when Obama took office: $1.81″

If that were true then the big business favoring Republican party should be supporting Obama for helping increase their profits.

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Willie, quit crying and find a decent candidate next time!

Well, old Redneck is willin’.

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Ask mitt how he will get the gop to vote to help the middle class when they never do.

Ask mitt how raising taxes on the middle class so he gets another tax cut help the middle class.

mitt is lying about helping the middle class and you cons know it.

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they both suck,

If you can show me where I was initially a smartass to you or rude to you then I’ll gladly apologize.

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“You have members of MENSA who probably wouldn’t be able to survive a single night in the “Hood”.

ROFL, Brosephus. That was good. Shoot, some I have known wouldn’t be able to survive a date with the opposite sex

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Doom: So when you factor that in then it would be hard to figure out how it would be mathmatically possible for the average Democrat to have as much income or educational attainment as the average Republican.

I want you to bookmark your post or this thread for the next time you or any other conservative starts b*tching about George Soros or Warren Buffett then. As to your point about earning more money, I could give a rats ass less.

My disagreement was more about the part where you said:

“thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.”

Book sense does not automatically confer common sense. I have met shade tree mechanics with a high school education that was more knowledgable than PhD holders. When you stated that money and education makes one more knowledgable, you stated BS as one doesn’t automatically equal the other, and you won’t be able to find any stats, research, or anything factual to prove that.

A lawyer might know how to cite law but not be able to change a spark plug in his car. You have surgeons who probably don’t know how to put a bookcase together.

Had you stayed within the factual bounds, your statement would have been ok. However, in true Doomy fashion, you inserted your hubris and beat the truth like it was a baby seal.

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WSJ: “Turkish forces shelled targets inside Syria after Syrian mortar rounds killed five people in a Turkish border town”

Interested to see a link to “Syria arming Armenians” referenced above…

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josef,

Yes, cnn reported Syria fired a mortar that killed five and Turkey responded by hitting Syrian targets.

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survey says…….after the debate turn the tv off……or come here and, based on another academic survey/research, allow jay to try to convince you that obama won and didn’t say all the things that might hurt him in your own mind……….
jay,
what did obama mean when he told russia’s second in command off mic to tell vlad to wait until after the election b/c he would have more flexibility then? or did he not actually say what he said then as well?
‘if you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone to run from’…….did obama’s own words right there tell on himself or did he not really say that as well….his radical words are adding up and your posts today are illuminating that…..

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Obama walks into a gay bar with a parrot on his shoulder:

Bartender: “Where did you get him?”

Parrot: “___________________ .”

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“thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.”

TD: I have to 2nd that. That was and is my contention thus my general comment back to you.

Without looking back at your actual post, I did throw a jab because it is my interpretation that is what you were doing.

Maybe it wasn’t intentional, but that’s how it came across.

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“Pirates without partners” – arrrrrrrrrgh

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alittlecommonsense

Thanks for the additional link. Will check it out. While I never vote a straight ticket, except when I voted straight Republican in 88 (my first time being eligible to vote and lacking a lot of knowledge)…….. I will be voting with the “uninformed” in November.

And I am good with it

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Really, Fred? So, you have a degree in social research to back up the claim that the methodology is useless?

I don’t believe you do. I base that in part on your claim that “Unless ALL THREE groups were asked who won immediately after the debate and THEN asked again after they watched the analysis you have no accurate data to compare.” Because that’s clearly untrue.

The group that saw or read no analysis serves as the control group, the group whose opinions were untainted by post-debate analysis and thus could provide “accurate data to compare” the other two groups.
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Well I have been a successful businessman for 25 years and I don’t have a business degree. I was a successful journalist and I didn’t have a journalism degree. Some of YOU need to be forcefed information, some of US learn on our own. As to polling? I’ve studied it. On my own of course, not having some asshat force feed me info that I regurgitate back on a test………….

There were actually 6 groups. Did you read all 46 pages of the document you linked? Why did you leave three of them off?

But I will say after reading the experiment parameters I feel “better” about the results. However, they forced folks into one of two “controls.” Either you were a democrat or a Republican. That isn’t correct. The break down of the voting public is NOT 50-50 Dem-Reb.

If you reference page 44 of the document linked you find n=56 for Democrats and n=53 for Republicans but nowhere do you see n=a damn thing for independents or non decided.

You better back WAY the hell off on your little Penn State college degree arrogance pal. I hold my own quite well with all the PhD professors and staff from Emory I have to deal with, with my self educationed ass, I can certainly deal with a Penn State history and journalism BBA

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weetamoe’s lie of the day is always good for a chuckle…

Romney, for example, must pass a test all challengers face when appearing side by side with an incumbent: look and sound like a credible alternative, like a president. The GOP standard-bearer also needs to quiet the jitters among Republicans who see the presidential campaign trending in a direction they worry could hurt down-ballot.

The race for the White House was over before it ever began.

The question is how will the neocons in the US Congress fare?

I’m predicting that the two biggest scumbags, West and Walsh, will be looking for employment in the private sector very soon…

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So, the bottom line from these statistical analyses is simple–more Republicans are better off than they were four years ago than Democrats.

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“Obama walks into a gay bar with a parrot on his shoulder…”

You mean at the wedding reception?

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So…

Who will Romney choose to alienate tonight? The “undecided”, or the “conservative base”?

Any guesses?

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Oh and Jay, (as well as anyone else who is interested)? If you ever want to increase your knowledge try this.

https://www.coursera.org/

MIT started something similar almost 10 years ago. I frequent them often.

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“crier…. given today’s electronics in motor and cars, most mechanics have to have a number of certifications and specialized training…How is your elitism working for you? Looking down on others makes you “better” right?”

Umm…I was poking fun at you and NOT mechanics there, son.

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they both suck,

Go back and look at my posting sir. The only jabs I’ve thrown on this thread have been in response to people throwing a jab at me first. And while my comment ticked some people off for some reason I’ve yet to see anyone conclusively refute it. Some haven’t even tried refuting it. They just snipe with some silliness that doesn’t have anything to do with anything except trying to take a dig. If they can’t make a point they just come up with some silly insult. Same as it ever was.

Now I was hard on Joe Mama in the previous thread because he got nailed hard by someone else and was proven to be dishonest and at that point he just went into his tap dancing and semantics games. But I didn’t call him names. I just pointed out his dishonesty and his poor attempts to BS his way out of it.

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Fred

Didn’t know about that site. Will check it out. Thanks

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This comment was just posted a few minutes ago on the previous thread. I know how much our regulars love them some gooooooood word salad, so enjoy!

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/03/the-new-obama-video-is-devastating-but-not-to-obama/?cp=7#comment-1096746

Don’t even try to make heads or tails of it. Just enjoy the ride.

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josef,

Akcakale.

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Like when George “bang the liberal drum” Stephanopolous says Dems won 9 out of last 10 debates. Another pathetic MSM lackey…

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“So, the bottom line from these statistical analyses is simple–more Republicans are better off than they were four years ago than Democrats”

Well according to Joe Biden yesterday neither Rs or Ds in the middle class are doing well. According to his own words the middle class was “buried” the last 4 years. His words. Not mine. Not Mitten’s. Not Ryan’s. But Biden’s words on the middle class in the last 4 years. Joe is without a doubt the gift that just keeps on giving.

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But, temme, why a GAY bar…?

Just to make you think up a new punchline. I need something new for the debate party tonight.

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Ahem
October 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm
Price of gas when Obama took office: $1.81

Gas Price july 2008: $4.12 (Highest ever)

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“Sure you were crier ….. elitist funny… much like Mitt. Its “fun” in your world to put down others. Do you like firing people too? Need a passport for your money? Enjoy zingers?”

Do you mean like you at (for instance) 3:41 pm, 3:56 pm and 4:07 pm? I am not above ankle biting

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So, Mitt could turn this into
a landslide, the Prez not so
much…don’t think i agree.

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The recession caused by the previous Republican has buried the middle class. The middle class are the ones who lost jobs, homes, and broken families. Not the wealthy Wall Street goons who caused it. They got bonuses.

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Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
4:17 pm
“Obama walks into a gay bar with a parrot on his shoulder…”

You mean at the wedding reception?

I am invited to attend a reception honoring my brother’s wedding to his male partner of 20+ years and expect the food to be delightful and the flowers to be stunningly beautiful, as usual. They are two great guys. They went somewhere up north to get hitched. So easy on the homosexual jokes, unless they are really funny.

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I was glad, not called

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I think with so many cons and other Americans disgusted with their parties call themselves Independents , you have to add them to your poll data.

I know mitt is lying about helping the middle class and that will be proven in this debate losing the main focus of his campaign.

I know mitt will use the same lies attacking our President that have been fact checked false.

I think this debate will end it for mitt.

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“Poor Doomy. His hiney still stings, as do his hurt feefees.”

ROFL. I guess the “last word” is not confined to a single column anymore. This is like a moving and interminable skirmish. It has now, at this point, become truly ridiculous.

“I was right”

“No, I was right.”

“No, you weren’t.”

“Yes, I was.”

I have to hand it to you, JHM. You are a persistent dawg.

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“So easy on the homosexual jokes, unless they are really funny.”

Sarcasm is not meant primarily to be funny.

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Ahem
October 3rd, 2012
4:36 pm
curious
October 3rd, 2012
4:29 pm
Ahem
October 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm
Price of gas when Obama took office: $1.81
Gas Price july 2008: $4.12 (Highest ever)
Is it now that I say something with “con” or should I declare “drudgery spam”

Not sure what drudgery spam is. You bring up the subject of gas prices.

Any correlation between gas prices and the overall economy?

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Joe Mama,

My feelings weren’t hurt. I can’t imagine why you would even think that- you must be projecting with that one. You’re the one that TC put the hammer to- not me. Not my problem that you got laid to waste and had to resort to tap dancing and semantics games to try and wiggle your way out of it.

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Why don’t they actually debate each other rather than have a question and answer trivia show?

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Any correlation between gas prices and the overall economy?

My answer is that they are third cousins related by marriage and the offspring of one-legged dwarfs.

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I know the 12 million added jobs mitt uses is most economists prediction for the next four years if the gop do not screw it up.

I know we are using American energy more than ever before.

I know tax cuts and no regulations cause a collapse.

I know mitt offers nothing new or good for the American people.

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“What’s the old saying, “Voted for Bush fool on me, voted for Bush twice I’m a freaking idiot.””

I guess the same could be said of the Dims that vote for Obama…again!

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Towncrier — “I have to hand it to you, JHM. You are a persistent dawg.”

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@
Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
4:40 pm

I gave the expanded explanation for the benefit of josef, as I detected his feelings may have been hurt and I wanted him to know I hold no malice towards those “light in the loafers”.

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Is it now that I say something with “con” or should I declare “drudgery spam”

Ahem,

Naw man. I think at this point you insert a fake Thomas Jefferson quote.

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Doom — “My feelings weren’t hurt.”

“I can’t imagine why you would even think that- you must be projecting with that one.”

As much as you must be projecting with your claims of my “dishonesty.”

“You’re the one that TC put the hammer to- not me.”

Clearly, you can’t tell the difference between a hammer and a feather duster.

“Not my problem that you got laid to waste and had to resort to tap dancing and semantics games to try and wiggle your way out of it.”

Have you ever considered a career as a fiction writer? You display quite a bit of aptitude for it!

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What’s the old saying, “Voted for Bush fool on me, voted for Bush twice I’m a freaking idiot.”

Actually, that statement has universal flexibilty by simply substituting the proper noun. The instructions do make clear that when inserting “Obama”, be sure to include “absolute” before “freaking”.

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“You have already confessed to condemning the research methods involved without even bothering to find out what they were.”

It would have been nice for you to summarize them for us, Jay. I really don’t want to slog through a 46 page document to ascertain what they were now. Nor do I have time to investigate the researchers – to see if they might possibly have a prejudicial bias. Obviously, the questions in the survey need to be scrutinized as well as the legitimacy of the control group. More importantly, has the study been replicated?

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Debates are deboring…

No one will be watching them
Why don’t we do it in the road?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM02WcvlKn0

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Towncrier — “I would say that is an amateurish attempt at satire, JHM. I trust you weren’t taking it literally. It is funny, but not quite the stuff of Jonathan Swift.”

My wife and I enjoy playing Spot The Troll on various IBBs; boards like Free Republic and Daily Kos are fertile ground for trollspotting, especially with a hotly contested Presidential election approaching. Contentious politicking means more posts on those sorts of boards, and trolls seem to like hiding in that sort of tall grass.

Then again, sometimes jabbering rants like the one I linked to are fun as well.

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” voted for Bush twice I’m a freaking idiot.”

They pretend w never happened in con land.

Our President is to blame for everything w screwed up in con land.

They expect a different result from the gop in con land.

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regnad

The linik..

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/world/middleeast/fighting-spreads-through-aleppo-as-services-vanish.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121002&_r=0

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“Actually, its the Republican controled house that keeps the keys of the hands of Obama.”

Yes, its all the work of the great Republican controlled House. Part of Congress with the lowest approval ratings in history. Just like George W Bush!

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Wonder if Romney and Ryan will win the debates in the same manner that some on this blog have indicated that McCain and Palin won……..

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So, once a person identifies himself or herself as a Republican, how long before they become better educated and wealthier than a Democrat, or an Independent, for that matter. I imagine some folks would like to have a time horizon to reference just to make sure they are on schedule. And if for some unknown reason a Republican decides to convert to a Democrat, what are the rules regarding becoming less educated and less wealthy.

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@
getalife

October 3rd, 2012
4:56 pm

You frequently seem to be confused

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“Is it now that I say something with “con” or should I declare “drudgery spam”

I hate it when libs do that.

And I hate when…

…they shout “SCOREBOARD”… http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Libs are so mean.

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Debate analysis research
did not help me get elected
or tell me why i was elected.
- Thomas Jefferson

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It’s official…………………….Obamam CAN kidnap anyone—————–
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Last month, a judge by name of Katherine Forrest, who clearly didn’t read the memo on the judiciary’s role, actually ruled that Obummer couldn’t denounce somebody as a terrorist, throw him in the pokey, and call it a day, as the NDAA permits. She delivered a blistering opinion, in fact, in which she discussed such old-fashioned, irrelevant concepts as the Constitution, habeas corpus, legislation left deliberately vague to confuse and imprison serfs, freedom (ha!) of speech and assembly, etc.

Obummer, the guy who so disagrees with the NDAA that he claimed to have “serious reservations” when signing it and promised never to use its power, vowed to appeal crazy Kate’s decision within mere hours. I know, I know: unseemly eagerness rather than the reluctance earlier professed. Well, were I a cynic, I’d say Obummer lies as often as he breathes. At any rate, another gowned clown has now come to the Feds’ defense and declared Kate wrong: Obummer may indeed jail anyone anywhere in the world for any or no reason whatever. (Hey, he already murders whomever he chooses: What’s a little kidnapping and imprisonment after that?) And now the other two clowns from that circus—sorry, bench—have solemnly agreed with Clown #1 that yes, it’s perfectly fine for Our Rulers to incarcerate anyone, anywhere without trial or evidence, a millennium of Anglo-American jurisprudential tradition to the contrary be damned.
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http://rt.com/usa/news/ndaa-hedges-appeal-obama-339/
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obama supporters=traitors

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josef

Where do you think that the Syrian rebels are getting their weapons and ammo from?

Of course they do not have tanks an jets, but they seem to be harmed fairly well.

Saudis or maybe CIA, MI6 or DGSE thru back channels?

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Where do you think that the Syrian rebels are getting their weapons and ammo from?

Probably down at the Damascus WalMart.

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Ahem

We do agree on something. I think the Democrats made huge errors by voting Pelosi and Reid to those positions.

I might agree with them on certain political issues, however I am not impressed with their ability to lead.

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No, they are both losers, totalitarians, big government neocons, war lovers, drug war lovers, Federal Reserve/fiat money lovers, wall street lovers, Israel lovers, and nothing about the debates is going to change that so my opinion certainly isn’t going to change. Anyone but Obamney/Rombama!

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AHEM

Okay, got it…no, my feelings weren’t hurt, I was just wondering why. Reasonable reason given,,,thanks for the answer…don’t have a relative punchline yet, but will give it some thought. My own response earlier was from a joke I heard several years back…

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Be careful, out there, brother Kam!

Lotsa post-TSPLOST road rage!

Abomb, do yourself a big favor and stay home on November 6th! (Maybe by then, Univision will unleash their bombshell!)

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Towncrier

Given all the examples from nature regarding gender within species, that’s a pretty remarkable opinion, seeing as how there are many, many examples from other life forms that contract it. There are even examples of sex changes occurring in mature life forms.

So, are you open to revising your opinion based upon analysis, or are you a Republican?

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@
josef

October 3rd, 2012
5:10 pm

I have always felt that the best jokes were those created by the “butt of the joke”. I will look forward to reading your most clever punchline.

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make that “that CONTRADICAT” it.

Please note: I’m not saying what you postulated cannot occur. What I am saying to use that as the sole reason for homosexuality vs heterosexuality is, in my opinion, incomplete.

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” no one is posting any dissertations here. Indeed, though a couple of my degrees should warrant otherwise,…”

LMAO!!!!

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Oops, like to begin with an analysis of the topic.

Recommendation: do not rely upon one source for analysis. Examine multiple sources that challenge your thinking.

There. Now I’ve met my goal.

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Thomas,

I stopped reading at Obummer.

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BROCEPHUS!

Did you give him a calendar?

We don’t give those out to just anyone, you know -

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josef

Didn’t think about Gulf Emirates, however did think the Saudis might be providing the cash, weapons or both.

Thanks

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Interesting graphs Jay, it shows how easily people are influenced.

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AHEM

Much agreed on the target thingie…Whoopi, as always, said it best…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OXLDiKMe_A

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They BOTH suck

October 3rd, 2012
5:08 pm
Ahem

We do agree on something.

Well, sumbi+ch.

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Good evening USinUK.

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“JETFU offers to help upset voters leave country…” drudgey

Jetfu is ready when you are.

Love it or leave it.

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To open early voting in Ohio on Tuesday evening, Michelle Obama rallied a raucous crowd of nearly 7,000 people in Cincinnati at the Duke Energy Convention Center.

An early voting event for the former Massachusetts governor on Tuesday in downtown Cincinnati drew roughly 45 supporters.

Heh, heh, heh.

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“so, is everyone stocking up on popcorn and booze for tonight?”

Always stocked up on the booze

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getalife

If you do not have any popcorn; chips or even carrot sticks will work…….

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“Those two govern as bad as they cry about imo. Power plays and such. It is the name of the game and neither party is immune, but those two surely fit the “stereotype” imo.

On other hand, I think Congress as a whole is lacking in true leadership. Those two are just the Democrat faces of the problem.”

Here is a challenge for all of us, TBS: what politician is truly a servant of the people? I have some I like (like Christie or Jindal) but have not really dug into their lives to see how much integrity, wisdom, concern and so on they have. I knew going into this election cycle Romney would likely be the candidate and was none too thrilled about it. But what can I do?

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“let’s all just vote on the issues”

congress gets a free pass but they are to blame and polling at a record low.

There is no trust in congress to deal with the issues.

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“I plead confused.”

See: The ilks have it/October 3rd, 2012/5:16 pm

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barking – 5:38 – word.

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TC

In short, vote who you think will do the best out of the two big boys or vote 3rd party.

I never vote a straight ticket, but probably need to vote more 3rd party than I do.

I know Jamvet can get a little crazy at times (most of us can), but he votes 3rd party and is adamant about it. I commend him for that.

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“But that doesn’t mean I’m a republican!”

walks like a duck …

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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

October 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm
JAY,

Perhaps the educational data provided had more to do with voting against BUSH/McCLAIN (BUSH hangover) than voting for BO…just the same as GOP’ers are not voting for Romney as much as they are voting against BO…
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That’s the first thing I thought. When I voted in 2008 I did vote FOR Obama.

This time, I am voting AGAINST Romney.

I just don’t know if Obama will be the name I enter.

And if I do, it surely won’t be a vote FOR him (although it will be counted as such).

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Towncrier — “The clear difference here, JHM, is that I am not getting paid to write and my livelihood does not depend on how well I frame my arguments (in a small HTML textarea) on this blog.”

Um, that’s not a difference between you and me. I didn’t get paid to do the research and writing that you demanded I do.

I recognize the difference between your position and Jay’s position, but I wasn’t positing a comparison between you and Jay. I was positing one between you and *me.*

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“I know Jamvet can get a little crazy at times (most of us can), but he votes 3rd party and is adamant about it. I commend him for that.”

I respect him for that, but the clear argument against doing that is you are in effect subtracting your vote the candidate with a chance who most closely (and I say that loosely) represents your views.

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Regarding the popcorn and booze, ex-pat, I expect some of Kyle’s masquerading miscreants to drift over here this evening.

Which always brings the laughs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-ibK5L2a4I

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Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
“My 5:38 was to Town
Crier.”
We will see, won’t we?
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We have already seen in
states that do not violate
the US Constitution.

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Hi josef –

had some time to kill while I’m sitting in on a conference call (ah, the joys of a west coast office)

good to see you, too!!

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“Every time one of them zings us with an “Obummer”, drink a shot.”

sweet jeebus – are you trying to put people into a coma?

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“Every time one of them zings us with an “Obummer”, drink a shot.

DannyX,

Well every time Obama blames W you can yell “Yes. We can” and drink a shot. Or just yell “Its still W’s fault” and then drink a shot. By the time debate is over and you’ve had 30 shots after Obama saying its W’s fault you may in fact be able to really convince yourselves that it really is still W’s fault 4 years later.

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So, now we have more border agents killed by Mexican drug gangs and our ambassador drug through the streets of Muslimhood and murdered and all Bozo can do is apologize. The Muslim Brotherhood thug in Egypt dictating our foreign policy toward Muslims and Bozo apologizes. Speeches to the Muslims telling them that “American Muslims have a colorful American history” when all they have done is blow up our buildings, kill our citizens and remain silent about insults to our sovereignty. And Bookman writes threads about those evil Georgia Republican legislators. Romney will kick this clown’s arse tonight. Count on it.

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THULSA

The Druze are getting something of a safe haven in the Golan from Israel, the Orthodox have some support from Greece, Cyprus and Russia, The Maronites have a route out via Lebanon, the Sunni via Iraq and the Kurds have already set up their own autonomous structure. The Alawi are the ones with the most to fear and no real escape route. More and more they have been looking to their traditional territory along the coast as a last ditch redoubt and place for a possible safe zone…There are very few Copts in Syria…

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Jm @ 5:41

I have a hunch that you do not have to worry about him worrying whether your mind will be changed or not

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BOTH
Had heard of him, but did not know there was a film about him…

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ThULSA

Make that the SHIA via Iraq…

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josef

It is a decent flick. Check it out when you have the time.

If nothing else, it is a damn good turn around story.

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Towncrier,

Joe wants some research from you after your research from 11:47 this morning. Now THAT is funny.

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ThULSA

Make that the SHIA via Iraq…

josef,

You lost me there. If I remember correctly the shia comprise roughly 60% of the population in Iraq and the Sunni 40% although the Sunni have dominated politically and economically. I can’t see either group having the means to commit a genocide campaign against the other. The shia may have the numerical numbers but the Sunni have had more wealth, influence, and probably more arms and I would imagine more outside support though the shia can rely on Iran.

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Poor Ann Romney. She is so afraid if Mitt loses he will be depressed.

Vote Mitt so there will be one less depressed person out of a job

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THULSA

I had said the Sunni had an out via Iraq, when I meant the Shia. The Shia are being targeted in Syria by the Sunni rebels. They are a much smaller minority in Syria. Also the Alawi are an offshoot of the Shia. The Shia have had something of a more privileged status under the Assads. Thus much of the tie between Iran and Syria and all of that crap in Lebanon with Hezbollah…

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“Joe wants some research from you after your research from 11:47 this morning. Now THAT is funny.”

Well, TD, in fairness he was referring to this debate we had months ago about Vietnam protesters spitting on returning veterans. I provide him with ostensible evidence to counter his contention that such a claim cannot be factually made since there is no (what he called “documented”) evidence of it happening (he was unwilling to accept the personal testimony of certain veterans though that kind of evidence is admissible in court). The evidence with which I supplied him was compiled and summarized by a law professor of some standing, but without citing the name and date of the published articles. He apprised me of this difficulty and I challenged him to research it. He had little success doing so (for logistical and technological reasons) and last I knew I suggested that he contact the good professor to ask for bibliographic information. I have not heard back since from JHM on this issue. So it was NOT a trivial piece of research such as I did today.

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Brocephus,

With all due respect I disagree with your comments to kayaker. He has as much right to bring up the death of a border patrol agent as liberals did bringing up the deaths of U.S. serviceman in Iraq when we went to war there. There is no difference.

And you couldn’t be more wrong in him or anyone else wanting to know why we are not securing the border or protecting our agents. Or wanting to know why agent Terry was murdered 2 years ago by guns that the Obama administration was selling to Mexican criminal drug gangs. The worst and last thing we should do is be silent in the wake of our people getting killed on the border.

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getalife

October 3rd, 2012
4:26 pm

Fred was home schooled
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I wasn’t but I may as well have been. I taught myself to read when I was three and taught my 5 year old sister afterwards. I never was in a class where I didn’t already know the material. Luckily I had a few smart teachers who told me they had to focus on the other children so it was ok with them if I read books during their classes, but don’t sleep……….

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I’m out guys…good night all.

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josef,

Thanks for the clarification. Lotta interesting history going into all the competing political factions and ethnic groups and what’s going down over there today.

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71, you couldn’t break a bubble with a sledge hammer.

You still don’t get it,do you? Something in your brain does not work right.

You insist that the words Republican and liberal are somehow mutually exclusive.

The GOP used to be a wonderful political party. A hundred years or so ago.

No more.

Why? Because you dipsticks ran all of the liberals off. Every last one of them. And why you suck eggs.

Educate yourself, man.

And crier, you are hopeless. And if alive, Lincoln would laugh at you…

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Jay

October 3rd, 2012
4:38 pm

You better back WAY the hell off on your little Penn State college degree arrogance pal. I hold my own quite well with all the PhD professors and staff from Emory I have to deal with, with my self educationed ass, I can certainly deal with a Penn State history and journalism BBA

Not on the available evidence, you can’t. You have already confessed to condemning the research methods involved without even bothering to find out what they were. It doesn’t take an advanced degree to know THAT is wrong.
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How did I miss this Jay lol? Yet on further investigation I was proved CORRECT.

As far as I can see from all you asshats here with your degrees and advanced degrees and whatnot, all TAHT means is that you are too stupid to EVER admit you made a mistake.

Judging from YOUR repsonse Jay, admitting to a mistake is somre sort of sign of stupidity or a character flaw. I reject your insipid notion there just as I reject the Baptist notion that THEY know everything.

Free your mind Jay. Admit your mistakes. You aren’t a God, just a god damned fool if you find admitting mistakes is a character flaw.

LOL I’ll pray for you. Maybe I can get josef to help. He can toss in some yiddish ones and I’ll do the heathen ones. If we can get Scout involved we’ll have a trifecta. Of course Scout’s gonna admit HE was wrong the day after you do so I dunno how much help he’ll be………….

Oh. I’ll “accept” your disdain towards me because I admit a minor mistake. I’ll wear it as a badge of honor. If I had the freedom to call you a name I’d call you an asshat but since i can’t I won’t…………..

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I shared this last night, but just in case some here missed it, I’ve decided to share it again since the debate will begin shortly.

In sum, I was able to acquire the first questions Lehrer will ask tonight:

To Romney:

Governor, some people have maintained that you only beat your wife, Ann, only every other month or so, but others insist it’s a weekly occurrence. Who is right?

To Obama:

Mr. President, you’ve done an incredible job over the past four years dealing with republican obstructionists who criticize your every effort to make America more fair. As difficult as it is to take any time off from your oppressive schedule as president, when you go out for ice cream, what’s your favorite flavor?

I refuse to reveal my sources, except to say it was “some person.”

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ZamVet

“Lincoln would laugh at you…”

Well, as you know, I think Lincoln and Buchanan are a good argument for not electing gay folks to the presidency…we don’t have a very good record!

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Will Mister Bookman be blogging “LIVE” on the debate?

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President Obama may not
show up to debate, He may
send a drone instead.

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Brosephus™

October 3rd, 2012
5:15 pm
TBG

So you’re a lib now?
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Apparently so…

Hey, when do I get all that free shyte and Whole Foods card?

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Sink

Talking to yourself is bad enough, but when you let us know that you are also answering, that might be a real problem

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He does engage charming young men at the gas pumps in conversation, BOTH…

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“This is the latest in a series of actions by Sensata workers in Freeport, IL since hearing about Sensata’s plans to outsource 200 jobs to China by the end of this year.”

Well perhaps, just perhaps if they weren’t union thugs, they might still have a job.

Truth hurts.

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That Black Guy: Hey, when do I get all that free shyte and Whole Foods card?

First you gotta get a few baby momma’s and then become a crack head………

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jamVet, 6:53,

Wonder if they did the same thing when Bozo’s jobs czar moved the entire X-ray manufacturing facility of GE to China causing a few more pink slips for American workers. But we can rest assured that at least 3B of that tax free money that GE made will help to ensure that many in China have a job. Another event that liberals perpetrate with no notice from the media or anyone else.

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gatalife

I could be wrong, but I see more dancing around tonight than anything. Probably see more blows in round 2 and 3.

On the other hand, Jam has a great point when he says they are glorified interviews.

Do most people really remember much policy discussion from these debates as opposed to who came across more posed and had the best one liners?

Except for Obama being a communist Muslim who was born in Kenya and went to school as a foreign student how much are we going to learn tonight?

With all that said, Romney certainly is the one who will have to press the issues starting tonight.

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Is it just me or is the fastest man on earth, Paul Ryan been strangely absent from the national scene lately?

I guess one Gaffe a Minute condidate is enough for now.

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“Except for Obama being a communist Muslim who was born in Kenya and went to school as a foreign student how much are we going to learn tonight?”

He hates him some whitey?

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lol Fred & Getalife

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IMAM

What’s that about the best laid plans of mice and men…

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Sink

I though we already knew about “him hating whitey”………

You have only told us 1 million times

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josef

What’s that about the best laid plans of mice and men
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I always thought that was the best laid men and plans of mice. LOL

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Brocephus, 6:06,

I respect your opinion as well, but what are we supposed to do?…. just ignore it?

Did I ask you to ignore it? No, I did not. All I ask is that you leave the politics out of it. Do you know exactly what happened? Do you know exactly what caused it? If so, why not tell our investigators the entire story and save us a few tax dollars.

It pisses me off to high hell each and every time any of y’all so-called conservatives decides to whip BPA Terry’s name around for the sake of beating the political drums, so I am just simply asking for you to stop doing that.

If you want to bring attention to what’s going on along the Southern Border, why not also bring some solutions instead of just using somebody’s death to blame Obama?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/20121002border-agents-slain-since-2006-names.html?sf6391038=1

Since 2006, 20 U.S. Border Patrol agents have died in the line of duty, including eight from Arizona. Three of the eight Arizona agents were slain, with two being shot and another intentionally struck with a vehicle by a suspected smuggler who was trying to flee, according to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Nine Agents have died in the line of duty since Obama took office. Agent Ivie was the 5th since Terry died. Where’s your concern for the other four, or is your concern only relevent when it’s political expedient for you to push your rhetoric? This is the 3rd time this year we’ve placed mourning bands on our badges, and for me, that’s 3 times too many.

Were you aware that most of those guys are out patroling in teams of two? If you want to beat a political drum, why not bang the drums about getting more Agents on the border instead of worrying about Obama? Why not beat the drum of getting those guys and girls better armed and better equipped?

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Just the grammarian in me, but I suspect we’ll have a “debate” between the present perfect “I have…” and the present progressive of to go replacing the simple future “I’m going to…”

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Doom: He has as much right to bring up the death of a border patrol agent as liberals did bringing up the deaths of U.S. serviceman in Iraq when we went to war there.

Care to point where I asked him not to bring it up??? I did no such thing. I simply asked that he not make it some political talking point. As I recall, when those liberals did as you said, they were damn near accused of everything to the point of treason. I recall people being called unAmerican and everything else.

Seems that, if Conservatives were that protective of the military, they wouldn’t turn around and sh*t on Border Patrol Agents who risk their lives every day to protect your and my ass. You said earlier that Conservatives were generally more knowledgable, right? Why not show some of that knowledge and not do the same damn thing you castigated somebody else for doing less than 10 years ago? Is that not too much to ask? Damn, somebody’s gotta be the grown up.

And you couldn’t be more wrong in him or anyone else wanting to know why we are not securing the border or protecting our agents. Or wanting to know why agent Terry was murdered 2 years ago by guns that the Obama administration was selling to Mexican criminal drug gangs. The worst and last thing we should do is be silent in the wake of our people getting killed on the border.

No, the worst thing we should be doing is passing off lies as though they are the truth. Those guns that were involved with the death of Agent Terry were sold three days before ATF got their serial numbers from the paperwork from the dealer. So, how in the hell does that equate to Obama giving guns to Mexican cartels?

As I told kayaker, if you want to make political hay, then make it about the working conditions of those guys. WHy are they patrolling in teams of 2? Do you know how long the border is? Why don’t we have enough agents to secure the border instead of trying to plug a leaking dam with our fingers?

I have no problem with people wondering why the border is not secure. Starting off with false assumptions and outright lies will not aid your case. Why not go and actually read the truth instead of what you hear from the echo chamber, or is it just much easier to believe what you want to believe in order to simply validate YOUR opinions?

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Ooo. High tech blog. Live broadcast sur blog.

Of course, most will also have teevee

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jm
you should watch tv.

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Enter your comments here

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Well at least Jay you aren’t an Ohio State Butteye and Yankees fan……….

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The Grandy Man goes yard. Yanks 3 – 1…

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I dunno Jay. I’m a dawg and brave fan. We seem to screw everything up as well………

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I guess USinUK just did a driveby.

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Mitt having dinner at the Cheesecake Factory…that’s a hoot…

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Sure Elmer Fudd could beat Barry but the cons are running Willard Dudd…

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Fred™
USinUK was up for a west
coast conference call.
may be talking. may be in
bed.

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QUESTION:
Mr. President – What the fluck is the Libya attack thing all about?
ANSWER:
“It’s George Bush’s fault.”

QUESTION:
What about the weapons that killed or wounded all those teenagers in Mexico? Univision claims they were Fast N Furious guns. Were they?

ANSWER:
“George Bush started this and is to blame… Not me ! ”

Romney understands Sun Tzu.

Obama thinks he’s Louie the XVI protected by Hollywood Jedis + an obedient percentage.

Ciao

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No one twisted Bush’s arm and made him screw up everything. Except maybe Dick. Dick’s do that sort of thing.

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Taxpayer
A Dick will shoot you in the
face.

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barking frog: Thanks for the info. I skipped a few pages tonight. Like I said in the earlier post, I figured she was up to see the debate. I mean I’ve done crazier stuff.

I mean there was that one time in Mexico after I drank a gallon of Tequila where that cute goat kept coming on to me and………… well never mind. You don”t need to know about that……..

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I’m huntin’ wabbits just like my dad.

MORE PRESSURE ON WOMBNEY!

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Fred™
Thanks for concealing that.

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Don’t insult our intelligence.

You and the voices in your head?

LOL!

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JamVet:

In case you missed my closing statement last night: ” The currency and interest rate markets are cruel masters…” As you shall see.

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Bro, I missed whoever’s comment re the iPad, but I LOVE mine!

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Gov. Mittens Romney is on all both sides of all issues in this debate… He has flip flopped, he’ has used the etch-A sketch.. Now Romney is shape shifting… Romney is all over the place.. President Obama is exposing all of Romney’s weak spots and shortcomings…

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President Barack Obama won the first debate, hands down… Romney was no contest…

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