Do debates and analysis alter viewpoint? Research says yes
In 2004, political science researchers at Arizona State University assembled three groups of people. One group watched that year’s third presidential debate between John Kerry and George W. Bush. A second group watched the debate plus 20 minutes of analysis on NBC. The third group watched the debate and were then given 20 minutes of access to written “instant analysis” posted on CNN.com.
Then they were asked the same obvious question: Who won? The results, via a graph by Kevin Drum, in turn borrowed from John Sides:
Those who watched the NBC analysis, which in the researchers’ opinion had been more favorable to Bush, were more than twice as likely to say that Bush had won compared to those who watched the debate without exposure to outside analysis. The contrast with those who read CNN’s analysis — judged more favorable to Kerry by researchers — was even more stark. Only 19 percent in that group felt that Bush had won, although overall, those who had read CNN coverage were most likely to say that neither man had won.
Researchers also took a look at whether partisan differences played any role. Democrats, they found, were much more open to changing their minds about the candidates based on what they had seen in the debates and subsequent analysis, while Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.
“In this case, Republicans are much less willing to be swayed by political information, compared with Democrats. Why are Republicans less receptive to the debate messages? It may be Republicans had more stable and strongly held attitudes about their nominee for the simple reason that their nominee was the incumbent president. Or, it may be the case that Republicans were less receptive to media messages because they are more suspicious of the “liberal bias” of the press. Or, maybe Democrats held ambivalent feelings about Senator Kerry because they had less information about him, making their attitudes about Senator Kerry more responsive to external stimuli. Whatever the mechanism, these results suggest that people’s party affiliation clearly affected their reaction to the messages emanating from the debate and subsequent news coverage.”
Keep all that in mind tonight, when we’ll be live-blogging the debate right here. I’ll put a debate post up around 8 p.m., with the debate scheduled to begin at 9 p.m. All major networks will provide coverage, and Jim Lehrer of PBS’ NewsHour will moderate.
– Jay Bookman
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Steve-USA "None of the Above"
October 3rd, 2012
5:22 pm
Interesting graphs Jay, it shows how easily people are influenced.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
5:22 pm
TC
Those two govern as bad as they cry about imo. Power plays and such. It is the name of the game and neither party is immune, but those two surely fit the “stereotype” imo.
On other hand, I think Congress as a whole is lacking in true leadership. Those two are just the Democrat faces of the problem.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
5:22 pm
AHEM
Much agreed on the target thingie…Whoopi, as always, said it best…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OXLDiKMe_A
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
5:22 pm
“I plead confused.”
Agreed.
Ahem
October 3rd, 2012
5:24 pm
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
5:08 pm
Ahem
We do agree on something.
Well, sumbi+ch.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 3rd, 2012
5:24 pm
evening all …
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 3rd, 2012
5:27 pm
Good evening USinUK.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 3rd, 2012
5:28 pm
so, is everyone stocking up on popcorn and booze for tonight?
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
5:28 pm
“JETFU offers to help upset voters leave country…” drudgey
Jetfu is ready when you are.
Love it or leave it.
tiredofIT
October 3rd, 2012
5:29 pm
Didn’t Shawn all ready declare Willard the winner tonight?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 3rd, 2012
5:29 pm
To open early voting in Ohio on Tuesday evening, Michelle Obama rallied a raucous crowd of nearly 7,000 people in Cincinnati at the Duke Energy Convention Center.
In response, the Romney campaign held its own event in Cincinnati:
Republicans countered Michelle Obama’s visit with a Commit to Mitt event Tuesday encouraging Romney supporters to vote early, as well. The Commit to Mitt bus tour will cross the state “emphasizing how the Romney-Ryan plan for the middle class will result in lower taxes, less government spending, more economic growth and a stronger middle class with 12 million new jobs,” Romney spokesman Christopher Maloney said.
And how many attended?
An early voting event for the former Massachusetts governor on Tuesday in downtown Cincinnati drew roughly 45 supporters.
Heh, heh, heh.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
5:30 pm
Ahem
Truth be known, most of us probably agree on much more than will ever come across on this blog. It is easy (I’m have been guilty and most of the regulars have been to some extent or another) to fall prey to the topic of the thread or whatever topic is being discussed and take it as an “us vs them” for any issue.
There surely is cross agreement at times, however the vast majority of times it boils down to “us vs them”. Or that’s how it manifests when it gets heated.
Nature of the beast I guess
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
5:30 pm
“so, is everyone stocking up on popcorn and booze for tonight?”
Always stocked up on the booze
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:31 pm
“Given all the examples from nature regarding gender within species, that’s a pretty remarkable opinion, seeing as how there are many, many examples from other life forms that contract [contradict?] it…Please note: I’m not saying what you postulated cannot occur. What I am saying to use that as the sole reason for homosexuality vs heterosexuality is, in my opinion, incomplete.”
I am fully aware of homosexual activity among other animal life. But that activity, AFAIK, has never been shown to be lasting throughout an animal’s lifetime. I have had dogs try to hump my leg from time to time. Animals act on impulse or instinct using little (compared to humans) reasoning. It is not surprising that they would therefore engage in homosexual acts.
If you, on the other hand, are postulating a genetic cause for homosexuality, I would ask 1) what proof do you have and 2) what are the implications of that postulate for other forms of potentially objectionable behavior (such as pedophilia, alcoholism, kleptomania and so on)?
“So, are you open to revising your opinion based upon analysis, or are you a Republican?”
If you can conclusively demonstrate otherwise, yes. I usually vote Republican but am loathe to call myself one (actually I think none of us should identify with a party that boxes us in – let’s all just vote on the issues).
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
5:34 pm
getalife
If you do not have any popcorn; chips or even carrot sticks will work…….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 3rd, 2012
5:35 pm
“An early voting event for the former Massachusetts governor on Tuesday in downtown Cincinnati drew roughly 45 supporters.”
reminds me of Jay’s comment months ago when Herman Cain held a press event to only a handful of people –
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/10/21/herman-cain-live-explaining-latest-9-9-9-version/#comment-760658
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:36 pm
“Those two govern as bad as they cry about imo. Power plays and such. It is the name of the game and neither party is immune, but those two surely fit the “stereotype” imo.
On other hand, I think Congress as a whole is lacking in true leadership. Those two are just the Democrat faces of the problem.”
Here is a challenge for all of us, TBS: what politician is truly a servant of the people? I have some I like (like Christie or Jindal) but have not really dug into their lives to see how much integrity, wisdom, concern and so on they have. I knew going into this election cycle Romney would likely be the candidate and was none too thrilled about it. But what can I do?
josef
October 3rd, 2012
5:37 pm
Cyprus, with the EU presidency in hand and with a bone to pick with Turkey and the latter’s main foe in EU membership, has pushed through an EU plan to bring out some 200,000 Syrian refugees via Cyprus…it and Greece are stepping up pressure vis a vis the Orthodox minority’s fate if/when the Sunni led rebels do take control…
This is making a NATO action dicey…
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
5:38 pm
“let’s all just vote on the issues”
congress gets a free pass but they are to blame and polling at a record low.
There is no trust in congress to deal with the issues.
barking frog
October 3rd, 2012
5:38 pm
Defining homosexuality has
nothing to do with who can
be married. Equality before
the law requires the state
to allow consenting adults
to form legal contracts. A
marriage is a legal contract.
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:39 pm
“I plead confused.”
See: The ilks have it/October 3rd, 2012/5:16 pm
barking frog
October 3rd, 2012
5:40 pm
My 5:38 was to Town Crier.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 3rd, 2012
5:41 pm
barking – 5:38 – word.
Jm
October 3rd, 2012
5:41 pm
Don’t worry jay
The blog won’t change my mind or view
But that doesn’t mean I’m a republican!
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
5:41 pm
TC
In short, vote who you think will do the best out of the two big boys or vote 3rd party.
I never vote a straight ticket, but probably need to vote more 3rd party than I do.
I know Jamvet can get a little crazy at times (most of us can), but he votes 3rd party and is adamant about it. I commend him for that.
DannyX
October 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
“Didn’t Shawn all ready declare Willard the winner tonight?”
Yep. Some Hannity quotes, “Romney was the clear winner tonight.” “After 8 years and the Republican Convention the American people finally got a chance to meet Romney.” Loved how Romney talked about being president of the 100%.” Romney knocked it out of the park.” “Obama came across dark” “You could feel Romney’s warmth.” “This debate will make Romney the clear favorite.”
Drudge post debate headlines will be “BREAKING…ROMNEY SCORES HUGE KNOCKOUT” “BREAKING…ROMNEY DECLARED WINNER”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
“But that doesn’t mean I’m a republican!”
walks like a duck …
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
“My 5:38 was to Town Crier.”
We will see, won’t we?
That Black Guy
October 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
October 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm
JAY,
Perhaps the educational data provided had more to do with voting against BUSH/McCLAIN (BUSH hangover) than voting for BO…just the same as GOP’ers are not voting for Romney as much as they are voting against BO…
_______________________________________________
That’s the first thing I thought. When I voted in 2008 I did vote FOR Obama.
This time, I am voting AGAINST Romney.
I just don’t know if Obama will be the name I enter.
And if I do, it surely won’t be a vote FOR him (although it will be counted as such).
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
josef,
So what’s the story? Genocide alert for the Alawites, Coptics, and Armenians. All while the world stands by- just like Rwanda.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
Towncrier — “The clear difference here, JHM, is that I am not getting paid to write and my livelihood does not depend on how well I frame my arguments (in a small HTML textarea) on this blog.”
Um, that’s not a difference between you and me. I didn’t get paid to do the research and writing that you demanded I do.
I recognize the difference between your position and Jay’s position, but I wasn’t positing a comparison between you and Jay. I was positing one between you and *me.*
Brosephus™
October 3rd, 2012
5:46 pm
Paul
I haven’t given him one yet, but he may soon be entitled to a monogrammed calendar.
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:46 pm
“I know Jamvet can get a little crazy at times (most of us can), but he votes 3rd party and is adamant about it. I commend him for that.”
I respect him for that, but the clear argument against doing that is you are in effect subtracting your vote the candidate with a chance who most closely (and I say that loosely) represents your views.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
5:46 pm
USinUK
Glad to see you in for the festivities…miss daytime blogging and exchanges with you…
JamVet
October 3rd, 2012
5:46 pm
Regarding the popcorn and booze, ex-pat, I expect some of Kyle’s masquerading miscreants to drift over here this evening.
Which always brings the laughs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-ibK5L2a4I
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:49 pm
“Um, that’s not a difference between you and me. I didn’t get paid to do the research and writing that you demanded I do.”
Fair enough. What particular issue would you like me to research, my friend? I will do it.
barking frog
October 3rd, 2012
5:50 pm
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
“My 5:38 was to Town
Crier.”
We will see, won’t we?
……………….
We have already seen in
states that do not violate
the US Constitution.
DannyX
October 3rd, 2012
5:50 pm
“Regarding the popcorn and booze, ex-pat, I expect some of Kyle’s masquerading miscreants to drift over here this evening.”
That could be tonight’s drinking game. Every time one of them zings us with an “Obummer”, drink a shot.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 3rd, 2012
5:51 pm
Hi josef –
had some time to kill while I’m sitting in on a conference call (ah, the joys of a west coast office)
good to see you, too!!
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
5:51 pm
josef
Do you know who Sam Childers is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Childers
Saw a decent movie called “Machine gun preacher” which is supposed to be his story of hell raiser to church builder in Sudan.
Didn’t know about the guy until I watched the movie, so have no idea how much of it is true vs what was dramatized?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 3rd, 2012
5:51 pm
“Every time one of them zings us with an “Obummer”, drink a shot.”
sweet jeebus – are you trying to put people into a coma?
Paul
October 3rd, 2012
5:53 pm
USinUK
What a rare surprise this is! Forget the popcorn and booze – you’re gonna need plenty of coffee for tonight! Are you pulling an all-nighter?
I’m on my way out. But I’ll enjoy the comments from el Droid.
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
5:54 pm
“Every time one of them zings us with an “Obummer”, drink a shot.
DannyX,
Well every time Obama blames W you can yell “Yes. We can” and drink a shot. Or just yell “Its still W’s fault” and then drink a shot. By the time debate is over and you’ve had 30 shots after Obama saying its W’s fault you may in fact be able to really convince yourselves that it really is still W’s fault 4 years later.
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:54 pm
“We have already seen in states that do not violate the US Constitution.”
In a democratic republic such as ours, I can really not have much objection to certain states allowing gays to marry. That is how you protect people from a tyranny of the (national) majority. But I am against a FEDERAL recognition of gay marriages – and that is precisely what a number of gays are pushing for (but you knew that I bet).
kayaker 71
October 3rd, 2012
5:55 pm
So, now we have more border agents killed by Mexican drug gangs and our ambassador drug through the streets of Muslimhood and murdered and all Bozo can do is apologize. The Muslim Brotherhood thug in Egypt dictating our foreign policy toward Muslims and Bozo apologizes. Speeches to the Muslims telling them that “American Muslims have a colorful American history” when all they have done is blow up our buildings, kill our citizens and remain silent about insults to our sovereignty. And Bookman writes threads about those evil Georgia Republican legislators. Romney will kick this clown’s arse tonight. Count on it.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
5:55 pm
TC @ 5:46
I hear you and to an extent agree, however as long as we continue to do what we are doing, we should expect to see the same shenanigans and mediocre to lousy candidates.
As I mentioned, I am guilty as charged. On the Presidential level I have only voted non Repub or Dem, one time.
Both the Dems and Repubs are counting on us not wanting to have our vote “wasted” so to speak.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
5:56 pm
THULSA
The Druze are getting something of a safe haven in the Golan from Israel, the Orthodox have some support from Greece, Cyprus and Russia, The Maronites have a route out via Lebanon, the Sunni via Iraq and the Kurds have already set up their own autonomous structure. The Alawi are the ones with the most to fear and no real escape route. More and more they have been looking to their traditional territory along the coast as a last ditch redoubt and place for a possible safe zone…There are very few Copts in Syria…
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 3rd, 2012
5:58 pm
Sorry I’m late for the pregame show.
Who iced down the beer?
I think according to the results of the polls Jay posted that the cons had to WAIT TO BE TOLD who won.
Vs being able to watch and decide for themselves or reading an analysis and deciding for themselves.
Does that means cons are easily swayed. Not Necessarily. But you decide. LOL
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
5:58 pm
Jm @ 5:41
I have a hunch that you do not have to worry about him worrying whether your mind will be changed or not
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
5:59 pm
“Both the Dems and Repubs are counting on us not wanting to have our vote “wasted” so to speak.”
You are probably right. That is why we need to start a “wave” of people (perhaps in just a few states to begin with) NOT identifying with either party. I bet candidates from both parties would then be singing a different tune. How does such a thing start? Probably not in Georgia, but where there is a high percentage of independents. And with a website, a non profit organization and some volunteers.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
6:00 pm
BOTH
Had heard of him, but did not know there was a film about him…
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
6:00 pm
josef,
It was the orthodox that I was probably thinking of and not the coptics in Syria. I know the Alawites are in deep shyte if Assad falls but I couldn’t remember which Christian group they were also going after. I always associated the Druze with Lebanon and Israel- perhaps incorrectly I guess.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
6:01 pm
ThULSA
Make that the SHIA via Iraq…
JamVet
October 3rd, 2012
6:02 pm
BOTH, I have always been a strident advocate for the little guy, the working man and woman, the poor (The anti-Mitt!), the sick, the unempowered and the disenfranchised. And especially for our children.
So yes, I am a proud liberal. In the greatest tradition of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, Florence Kelly, Theodore Roosevelt, Samuel Gompers, Harry Truman, Woodrow Wilson, FDR and JFK.
And arguably the greatest of them all, Frederick Douglass.
Like them, I am a complainer, an agitator and a provocateur and I plan on spending the rest of my life trying to make a difference.
And neither the awful Democratic Party, who confirmed Scalia (unanimously in the Senate!), Roberts, Thomas, Kennedy, and Alito or the immoral Republican Party are allies of mine.
Why I will vote for Rocky Anderson.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
6:02 pm
josef
It is a decent flick. Check it out when you have the time.
If nothing else, it is a damn good turn around story.
barking frog
October 3rd, 2012
6:02 pm
Towncrier
States may not choose parts
of the constitution to
uphold. Remember
miscegenation laws. What
people do in their bedrooms
should not be put into laws
or contracts, but legal
responsibilities should.
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
6:04 pm
Towncrier,
Joe wants some research from you after your research from 11:47 this morning. Now THAT is funny.
Brosephus™
October 3rd, 2012
6:06 pm
kayaker
As a colleague of that border agent, I respectfully ask that you not try turning his death into a talking point. As much as I respect everyone here, you included, I would hate to risk wearing out my welcome here by a nasty response to that line of thought.
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
6:08 pm
ThULSA
Make that the SHIA via Iraq…
josef,
You lost me there. If I remember correctly the shia comprise roughly 60% of the population in Iraq and the Sunni 40% although the Sunni have dominated politically and economically. I can’t see either group having the means to commit a genocide campaign against the other. The shia may have the numerical numbers but the Sunni have had more wealth, influence, and probably more arms and I would imagine more outside support though the shia can rely on Iran.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
6:09 pm
THULSA
The Christians had tried to stay as much as possible neutral, but in the increasingly fundamentalist nature of the rebels, they have been targeted for expulsion in the establishment of a radical regime. Each confession has its own, I guess, “protector” abroad. The Druze are centered around where Lebanon, Israel and Syria share common borders (called the Jabal Druze). They have a tradition of taking part in the civic life of whichever country they are located in. They have been less prominent in Syria than in Lebanon and Israel.
Common Sense isn't very Common
October 3rd, 2012
6:10 pm
Poor Ann Romney. She is so afraid if Mitt loses he will be depressed.
Vote Mitt so there will be one less depressed person out of a job
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
6:15 pm
Not a good time to change leadership to a rookie with mental problems.
This election is to stop the gop from destroying your country again.
Instead of voting third party, consider using the only power you have to stop the gop from destroying your country again.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
6:16 pm
THULSA
I had said the Sunni had an out via Iraq, when I meant the Shia. The Shia are being targeted in Syria by the Sunni rebels. They are a much smaller minority in Syria. Also the Alawi are an offshoot of the Shia. The Shia have had something of a more privileged status under the Assads. Thus much of the tie between Iran and Syria and all of that crap in Lebanon with Hezbollah…
kayaker 71
October 3rd, 2012
6:16 pm
AmVet, 6:02,
Hate to break your liberal bubble but Abraham Lincoln ran for president and won as a Republican. So did Teddy Roosevelt. And when Susan B. Anthony was arrested on 18 Nov 1872 for voting in an election, she stated, ” I voted a straight Republican ticket….. for all of them”.
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
6:17 pm
“Joe wants some research from you after your research from 11:47 this morning. Now THAT is funny.”
Well, TD, in fairness he was referring to this debate we had months ago about Vietnam protesters spitting on returning veterans. I provide him with ostensible evidence to counter his contention that such a claim cannot be factually made since there is no (what he called “documented”) evidence of it happening (he was unwilling to accept the personal testimony of certain veterans though that kind of evidence is admissible in court). The evidence with which I supplied him was compiled and summarized by a law professor of some standing, but without citing the name and date of the published articles. He apprised me of this difficulty and I challenged him to research it. He had little success doing so (for logistical and technological reasons) and last I knew I suggested that he contact the good professor to ask for bibliographic information. I have not heard back since from JHM on this issue. So it was NOT a trivial piece of research such as I did today.
kayaker 71
October 3rd, 2012
6:18 pm
Brocephus, 6:06,
I respect your opinion as well, but what are we supposed to do?…. just ignore it?
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
6:18 pm
Brocephus,
With all due respect I disagree with your comments to kayaker. He has as much right to bring up the death of a border patrol agent as liberals did bringing up the deaths of U.S. serviceman in Iraq when we went to war there. There is no difference.
And you couldn’t be more wrong in him or anyone else wanting to know why we are not securing the border or protecting our agents. Or wanting to know why agent Terry was murdered 2 years ago by guns that the Obama administration was selling to Mexican criminal drug gangs. The worst and last thing we should do is be silent in the wake of our people getting killed on the border.
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
6:19 pm
“Hate to break your liberal bubble but Abraham Lincoln ran for president and won as a Republican.”
He knows that but equates the fight for civil rights with LGBT and abortion rights. Both of those positions Lincoln would have firmly opposed.
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
6:20 pm
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
4:26 pm
Fred was home schooled
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I wasn’t but I may as well have been. I taught myself to read when I was three and taught my 5 year old sister afterwards. I never was in a class where I didn’t already know the material. Luckily I had a few smart teachers who told me they had to focus on the other children so it was ok with them if I read books during their classes, but don’t sleep……….
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
6:21 pm
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
October 3rd, 2012
5:24 pm
evening all …
++++++++++++++++++++++
Holy crap. Are you allowed tonight to stay up with the adults? It’s already past midnight at your house…….
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
6:23 pm
I’m out guys…good night all.
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
6:23 pm
They never want to talk about the drug war reagan started. Causalities and costs should be debated but it is another loser so they say nothing about it.
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
6:25 pm
josef,
Thanks for the clarification. Lotta interesting history going into all the competing political factions and ethnic groups and what’s going down over there today.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
6:33 pm
THULSA
It is indeed an interesting one. It’s the whole mess of the Byzantine-Ottoman world at critical mass…
JamVet
October 3rd, 2012
6:38 pm
71, you couldn’t break a bubble with a sledge hammer.
You still don’t get it,do you? Something in your brain does not work right.
You insist that the words Republican and liberal are somehow mutually exclusive.
The GOP used to be a wonderful political party. A hundred years or so ago.
No more.
Why? Because you dipsticks ran all of the liberals off. Every last one of them. And why you suck eggs.
Educate yourself, man.
And crier, you are hopeless. And if alive, Lincoln would laugh at you…
DannyX
October 3rd, 2012
6:40 pm
The Obama vs Romney debates will not favor Obama. Its basically 9 against 1, 1 Obama vs 9 Romney’s. Obama will be facing a gang of Mitt Romney’s. Which Romney will show up? All of them?
2012 debates…Obama vs Sybil
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
6:41 pm
Jay
October 3rd, 2012
4:38 pm
You better back WAY the hell off on your little Penn State college degree arrogance pal. I hold my own quite well with all the PhD professors and staff from Emory I have to deal with, with my self educationed ass, I can certainly deal with a Penn State history and journalism BBA
Not on the available evidence, you can’t. You have already confessed to condemning the research methods involved without even bothering to find out what they were. It doesn’t take an advanced degree to know THAT is wrong.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How did I miss this Jay lol? Yet on further investigation I was proved CORRECT.
As far as I can see from all you asshats here with your degrees and advanced degrees and whatnot, all TAHT means is that you are too stupid to EVER admit you made a mistake.
Judging from YOUR repsonse Jay, admitting to a mistake is somre sort of sign of stupidity or a character flaw. I reject your insipid notion there just as I reject the Baptist notion that THEY know everything.
Free your mind Jay. Admit your mistakes. You aren’t a God, just a god damned fool if you find admitting mistakes is a character flaw.
LOL I’ll pray for you. Maybe I can get josef to help. He can toss in some yiddish ones and I’ll do the heathen ones. If we can get Scout involved we’ll have a trifecta. Of course Scout’s gonna admit HE was wrong the day after you do so I dunno how much help he’ll be………….
Oh. I’ll “accept” your disdain towards me because I admit a minor mistake. I’ll wear it as a badge of honor. If I had the freedom to call you a name I’d call you an asshat but since i can’t I won’t…………..
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
6:41 pm
Oh and Jay? Check your email in a few……….
F. Sinkwich
October 3rd, 2012
6:42 pm
I shared this last night, but just in case some here missed it, I’ve decided to share it again since the debate will begin shortly.
In sum, I was able to acquire the first questions Lehrer will ask tonight:
To Romney:
Governor, some people have maintained that you only beat your wife, Ann, only every other month or so, but others insist it’s a weekly occurrence. Who is right?
To Obama:
Mr. President, you’ve done an incredible job over the past four years dealing with republican obstructionists who criticize your every effort to make America more fair. As difficult as it is to take any time off from your oppressive schedule as president, when you go out for ice cream, what’s your favorite flavor?
I refuse to reveal my sources, except to say it was “some person.”
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
6:43 pm
Oh crap, no wonder I missed the comments. I went from page 2 to page 4.
Sorry. I was BUSY. Guess that makes me stupid again because I admitted a mistake lol…….
josef
October 3rd, 2012
6:43 pm
ZamVet
“Lincoln would laugh at you…”
Well, as you know, I think Lincoln and Buchanan are a good argument for not electing gay folks to the presidency…we don’t have a very good record!
josef
October 3rd, 2012
6:45 pm
SINKWICH
Didn’t miss it last p.m. It was silly then, it’s silly now.
bman
October 3rd, 2012
6:52 pm
Will Mister Bookman be blogging “LIVE” on the debate?
JamVet
October 3rd, 2012
6:53 pm
jonix, everyone has their “issue”!
Agitate, agitate, agitate.
Protesters At Bain-Owned Company Block Moving Vans To Keep Jobs and Equipment In U.S.
On October 2, employees blocked the driveways and loading dock at Sensata Technologies to prevent trucks from carting plant equipment away. “All of us here believe that the equipment should not be moved out, that the jobs need to stay here,” said supporter Debbie Kempel when interviewed by WTVO, Rockford, IL.
This is the latest in a series of actions by Sensata workers in Freeport, IL since hearing about Sensata’s plans to outsource 200 jobs to China by the end of this year. On September 12, protesters set up tents across the street from the plant, and named their encampment Bainport, Illinois. Sensata workers have also set up a petition for supporters to sign, and taken their activism on the road with the Bain Workers Bus Tour, a coalition of progressives and workers from companies owned by Bain Capital.
barking frog
October 3rd, 2012
6:53 pm
President Obama may not
show up to debate, He may
send a drone instead.
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
6:54 pm
Yes Mr. bman. He will be. He said so. He’s probably taking a break from all us buttheads to prepare for it……..
That Black Guy
October 3rd, 2012
6:55 pm
Brosephus™
October 3rd, 2012
5:15 pm
TBG
So you’re a lib now?
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Apparently so…
Hey, when do I get all that free shyte and Whole Foods card?
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
6:58 pm
TBG
Your being “informed” of the issues, took a hit as well. You should have stayed on the right…….
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
6:59 pm
Sink
Talking to yourself is bad enough, but when you let us know that you are also answering, that might be a real problem
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
7:01 pm
josef
How about the VP nominee?
If Romney / Ryan win the election and one of the parties they go to on inauguration night is the “Closet Party”………… it will be confirmed
JamVet
October 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
He does engage charming young men at the gas pumps in conversation, BOTH…
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
7:02 pm
bman,
Yes, time to bury mitt robme.
F. Sinkwich
October 3rd, 2012
7:03 pm
“This is the latest in a series of actions by Sensata workers in Freeport, IL since hearing about Sensata’s plans to outsource 200 jobs to China by the end of this year.”
Well perhaps, just perhaps if they weren’t union thugs, they might still have a job.
Truth hurts.
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
7:04 pm
LOl josef is distancing himself from me and blow back…….
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
7:05 pm
That Black Guy: Hey, when do I get all that free shyte and Whole Foods card?
First you gotta get a few baby momma’s and then become a crack head………
Granny Godzilla
October 3rd, 2012
7:08 pm
Debate night
How cool is America?
kayaker 71
October 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
jamVet, 6:53,
Wonder if they did the same thing when Bozo’s jobs czar moved the entire X-ray manufacturing facility of GE to China causing a few more pink slips for American workers. But we can rest assured that at least 3B of that tax free money that GE made will help to ensure that many in China have a job. Another event that liberals perpetrate with no notice from the media or anyone else.
That Black Guy
October 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
Brosephus™
October 3rd, 2012
5:46 pm
Paul
I haven’t given him one yet, but he may soon be entitled to a monogrammed calendar.
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At this point you might want to consider an I Pad.
Cut down on printing costs, dontchknow.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
7:09 pm
gatalife
I could be wrong, but I see more dancing around tonight than anything. Probably see more blows in round 2 and 3.
On the other hand, Jam has a great point when he says they are glorified interviews.
Do most people really remember much policy discussion from these debates as opposed to who came across more posed and had the best one liners?
Except for Obama being a communist Muslim who was born in Kenya and went to school as a foreign student how much are we going to learn tonight?
With all that said, Romney certainly is the one who will have to press the issues starting tonight.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
7:11 pm
BOTH
Ya know, you’ve got a point there…
FRED
Sois sage, Mec!
ZamVet
“He does engage charming young men at the gas pumps in conversation, ”
Hmmm…