Do debates and analysis alter viewpoint? Research says yes
In 2004, political science researchers at Arizona State University assembled three groups of people. One group watched that year’s third presidential debate between John Kerry and George W. Bush. A second group watched the debate plus 20 minutes of analysis on NBC. The third group watched the debate and were then given 20 minutes of access to written “instant analysis” posted on CNN.com.
Then they were asked the same obvious question: Who won? The results, via a graph by Kevin Drum, in turn borrowed from John Sides:
Those who watched the NBC analysis, which in the researchers’ opinion had been more favorable to Bush, were more than twice as likely to say that Bush had won compared to those who watched the debate without exposure to outside analysis. The contrast with those who read CNN’s analysis — judged more favorable to Kerry by researchers — was even more stark. Only 19 percent in that group felt that Bush had won, although overall, those who had read CNN coverage were most likely to say that neither man had won.
Researchers also took a look at whether partisan differences played any role. Democrats, they found, were much more open to changing their minds about the candidates based on what they had seen in the debates and subsequent analysis, while Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.
“In this case, Republicans are much less willing to be swayed by political information, compared with Democrats. Why are Republicans less receptive to the debate messages? It may be Republicans had more stable and strongly held attitudes about their nominee for the simple reason that their nominee was the incumbent president. Or, it may be the case that Republicans were less receptive to media messages because they are more suspicious of the “liberal bias” of the press. Or, maybe Democrats held ambivalent feelings about Senator Kerry because they had less information about him, making their attitudes about Senator Kerry more responsive to external stimuli. Whatever the mechanism, these results suggest that people’s party affiliation clearly affected their reaction to the messages emanating from the debate and subsequent news coverage.”
Keep all that in mind tonight, when we’ll be live-blogging the debate right here. I’ll put a debate post up around 8 p.m., with the debate scheduled to begin at 9 p.m. All major networks will provide coverage, and Jim Lehrer of PBS’ NewsHour will moderate.
– Jay Bookman
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Jay
October 3rd, 2012
3:42 pm
“That’s just an exit poll”
I love that. As if there’s some method of determining how people of various demographic groups actually vote that’s more accurate than actually asking individuals leaving the voting booth how they voted. As if Thulsa’s method of “why, everybody knows X” is truly the more accurate method.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm
“I am perfectly capable of comprehending what I hear and forming my own opinion based upon my own knowledge base.”
Well that is good you are not a Democrat or liberal because they are less educated? If you were, I would have to ask are you sure you are able to comprehend what is being discussed?
“There are more informed”
That was the funniest line of the day
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm
“Mitt could be muzzled like Hannible Lector and the cons would still claim he won the debate.”
Muzzling him would increase his chances.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm
And how big of a sample does Jay need, 350 million?
There are only 207 million some odd eligible voters in the U.S.
Did ACORN really sign up another 143 million?
TaxPayer
October 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm
Also its a pretty well known fact of life that the more affluent suburbs with higher incomes and educational attainment tend to vote R and the less affluent areas tend to vote D. I don’t think there’s a whole lotta dispute about that.
Life in the rabbit hole.
alittlecommonsense
October 3rd, 2012
3:44 pm
“Pure effin’ speculation. If you have to make sh*t up to make your point, then there is no point to be made. Where is your empirical evidence to back that up?”
Doom can answer very well for himself, but
“Republicans on average have higher levels of income than do Democrats or independents”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157010/republicans-greater-access-basic-necessities.aspx
Republican voters are on average wealthier and (slightly) more educated* than Democratic voters are. http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/10/republicans-wealthier-than-democrats.html
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm
“They are more informed”
Shows how “uninformed” I am about the issues.
Glad TD is here to “inform” us…….
We would all be lost
Old Goober
October 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm
That explains the demi-term gov’s sighting of Moby Dick.
“Hast seen the white whale? Then come to my back porch.”
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm
“They do after all generally have higher incomes and higher educational attainment than Democrats and thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.”
Acquired knowledge does NOT necessarily for wisdom make. I have known people without college degrees who are amazingly smart and sage.
jewcowboy
October 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm
“when we’ll be live-blogging the debate right here”
No offense Jay, but I’d rather not witness Jm’s free association again as during the DNC. It was disturbing.
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13666108/dnc-free-association
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm
If you get tired of the debate, the new South Park at 10 will lampoon honey boo boo.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm
Kam
I figured we may as well cover everyone in the US if possible, otherwise Thulsa will not think the poll is accurate……..
alittlecommonsense
October 3rd, 2012
3:47 pm
Oddly enough, the dems on this blog want to paint Republicans as white trash stupid, etc. Let’s recap – they are wealthier, more educated, (and I hit a couple of links showing they were more informed and have higher IQ’s also.)
But yeah, we are all stupid because we don’t agree with you right?
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
3:47 pm
It is all about the phones in con land.
C-Span is a good choice to watch the debates in congress too.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm
alittlecommonsense
Thanks for the info. I figured as much on the income side, but wasn’t completly sure about the education side.
I knew that blue states on average have more college educated folks, but didn’t know party breakdown.
Now does that equate to being more informed about the issues as Thulsa asserted? Not really, but he was correct on the income and education based on your information
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 3rd, 2012
3:49 pm
“Oddly enough, the dems on this blog want to paint Republicans as white trash stupid, etc”
Have you looked at a EC map lately? All those southern red states coincide nicely with the top list of states with people on welfare and people overweight.
jewcowboy
October 3rd, 2012
3:50 pm
Keep Up,
“Perhaps a “spot the zinger” contest…”
Perhaps one should eat one of these after every zinger and see who can take advantage of the ACA’s diabetes care. http://www.hostesscakes.com/products/zingers
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
3:50 pm
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157010/republicans-greater-access-basic-necessities.aspx
Brocephus,
Stuff made up off the top of my head? Really? Some common sense also has to come into play. Republicans as many liberals on here have stated are lilly white while Dems have 90% of the black vote and roughly 2/3rds of the Hispanic vote. Its no secret that according to the census bureau that whites generally have higher incomes and educational attainment then these 2 groups that make up a good portion of the Democratic party. Not sure of the numbers but I think blacks and whites make something like only 70 or 80% of whites incomes. So when you factor that in then it would be hard to figure out how it would be mathmatically possible for the average Democrat to have as much income or educational attainment as the average Republican. I thought you had a degree in math so it seems like this would be easy to figure out just off the top of your head besides all the surveys and other demographic info that’s out there.
Finn McCool
October 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm
But yeah, we are all stupid because we don’t agree with you right?
Correct.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm
“Perhaps a “spot the zinger” contest…”
Do a shot for every zinger.
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm
“But yeah, we are all stupid because we don’t agree with you right?”
How have you not gotten that yet, genius?
. I remember on an atheist blog once this one guy kept saying how people who believed in God were morons, imbeciles and the like. Till I reminded him that arguably the smartest person to have lived in the past 500 years did as well. He stopped posting that day after that.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm
alittlecommonsense
Did I miss something on the “more informed” part in regards to your links?
Maybe that was an implied thing
Williebkind
October 3rd, 2012
3:51 pm
The debate wont matter because the 47% will not watch it. They will get the gist from the liberal biased media tomorrow. You know, the answer to that. Obama gives until it hurts—literally. And Mitt is just a white rich guy.
stands for decibels
October 3rd, 2012
3:52 pm
Think next generation Green Acres with modern twists..
meh…My kid got hooked on the series whence it was spun, “Toddlers and Tiaras.” I think I lasted about two minutes with that one; I had to restrain my criticism, since it’s a well known fact that the more a parent tells his kids that something’s not good for ‘em, the more they’ll want to use/drink/smoke/listen to/watch it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 3rd, 2012
3:52 pm
It’s no secret that I am dating Sarah Shahi.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 3rd, 2012
3:53 pm
Its no secret that I can make The Most Interesting Man in the World cry like a two year old.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
3:53 pm
TD
This thing is not over, but unless something changes, not sure what good all that is going to do you on election night…….
Babatunde
October 3rd, 2012
3:55 pm
The MSNBC analysis concluded that Obama won the debate, so there is no need for me to actually watch tonight.
Instead I will utilize my TV viewing time for something equally intellectually stimulating. Like Honey Boo Boo or Lickskillet Towing reruns.
Williebkind
October 3rd, 2012
3:55 pm
After my survey the poll was Romney 67% and Obama 23% with 10% still asking where is the chaff.
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm
alitlle,
No, because you swallow any lie just to get our President and never admit when you are dead wrong.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm
“But yeah, we are all stupid because we don’t agree with you right?”
Well actually, that goes both ways depending on who is blogging at any given time. Don’t be so selective in your condemnation?
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm
I remember on an atheist blog once this one guy kept saying how people who believed in God were morons, imbeciles and the like. Till I reminded him that arguably the smartest person to have lived in the past 500 years did as well. He stopped posting that day after that.
So it says: Whole Foods 3:11.
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
3:57 pm
Jay,
Well now in every election we watch the returns and we know from election returns that generally speaking the wealthier suburban areas tend to vote R and the poorer urban areas tend to vote D. Is this news to anyone?
Brosephus™
October 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
alittlecommonsense
Book sense don’t always equal with common sense. There is no way to measure true intelligence on an equal footing. You have members of MENSA who probably wouldn’t be able to survive a single night in the “Hood”. Does that make them dumb? No, but it does prove that even the smartest people can seem dumb if you put them in the right situation.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
…10% still asking where is the chaff.
Would that be the Todd Akin pregnancy preventing vagina chaff?
The ilks have it
October 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm
The way a bird-brain talks:
On Wednesday night, left-leaning TV anchor Jim Lehrer of government-supported PBS will moderate the first 90-minute presidential debate in Denver .
Jim Lehrer “left-leaning”? Who knew.
Maybe Ms. Malkin is aware of who really owns PBS and drives much of its agenda. Then again, maybe she’s just a useful idiot who doesn’t have a clue.
Ahem
October 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm
Price of gas when Obama took office: $1.81
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
4:00 pm
“Shows how “uninformed” I am about the issues.
Glad TD is here to “inform” us…….
We would all be lost”
And I’m glad you’re not a sarcastic smartass.
JamVet
October 3rd, 2012
4:01 pm
Willie, quit crying and find a decent candidate next time!
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
4:01 pm
Price of gas under w was over 4 dollars ahem.
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
4:01 pm
“The MSNBC analysis concluded that Obama won the debate, so there is no need for me to actually watch tonight. ”
Oh..snap…how did that leak out before the actual debate??? Dang MSNBC being careless once again.
Tealiban Party
October 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm
Mitt Romney has been trying for the last FIVE AND A HALF years to explain why he should be president. He still hasn’t convinced Americans, and I don’t expect 90 more minutes of his vague, hollow plans will make any difference.
pogo
October 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm
Don’t try to introduce reality into Jay’s “World of Hackery” Ahem. Jay and his 24 hour/day Toady’s don’t respond well to it. This is all they got.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm
I think it was CNN in the 2008 debates had a bunch of people monitored live during the debate and you could see kinda a running graph on the bottom of the screen indicating which candidate was “winning” with this group. I found it annoying and changed channels.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm
Thulsa
Look in the mirror big boy……………..
Don’t be mad because someone is giving you back what you like to give out.
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm
mitt is going to choke.
Big time.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm
I’m pretty much with Peadawg on this one…I may or may not have it on as background noise, but it’ll be pretty much the same old same old.
GETALIFE
It seems that Assad has armed the Armenian community in Aleppo. They had tried to stay out of it, but now that Turkey is coming in full tilt on the side of the Sunnis the Armenians are under no delusions of what’s in store for them…
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
4:04 pm
“Jim Lehrer “left-leaning”? Who knew.”
He did a good job of concealing his bias on News Hour, but I always thought his knowing smirk to other journalists when covering certain stories was always telling.
Regnad Kcin
October 3rd, 2012
4:04 pm
“Price of gas when Obama took office: $1.81″
Jay!!! This destroys your whole premise!!!! That whole survey is meaningless now!!!!! Thank gods we found out in time!!!!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 3rd, 2012
4:04 pm
Willie, quit crying and find a decent candidate next time!
It’s no secret and a pretty well known fact of life that Elmer Fudd is available.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 3rd, 2012
4:04 pm
“Price of gas when Obama took office: $1.81″
If that were true then the big business favoring Republican party should be supporting Obama for helping increase their profits.
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
4:04 pm
Taxpayer @ 3:43,
Then prove me wrong. Show me that outside of a few select liberal bastions like perhaps San Fran or NY city show me how the higher income areas vote D and the poorer, less educated areas vote R.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 3rd, 2012
4:04 pm
Willie, quit crying and find a decent candidate next time!
Well, old Redneck is willin’.
weetamoe
October 3rd, 2012
4:05 pm
John Kerry’s adviser complained that Bush forced Kerry to say stupid things. The article was in the ajc during the Bush/Kerry campaign. and is likely still available in the archives. Politico has already decided that Mitt lied in the debates tonight. And Stephanie Cutter is demanding that Mitt apologize because a couple of cable networks broadcast in full an Obama speech in which he claims that white people believe in non-violence because they do not want poor people to *take their stuff.* What a mess!
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
4:05 pm
Ask mitt how he will get the gop to vote to help the middle class when they never do.
Ask mitt how raising taxes on the middle class so he gets another tax cut help the middle class.
mitt is lying about helping the middle class and you cons know it.
Ahem
October 3rd, 2012
4:05 pm
Gallup’s 10/03/2012 Underemployment rate at 16.7%
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
4:06 pm
they both suck,
If you can show me where I was initially a smartass to you or rude to you then I’ll gladly apologize.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm
It’s no secret and a pretty well known fact of life that Elmer Fudd is available.
And registered to vote as a Republican in Florida!
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm
“You have members of MENSA who probably wouldn’t be able to survive a single night in the “Hood”.
ROFL, Brosephus. That was good. Shoot, some I have known wouldn’t be able to survive a date with the opposite sex
alittlecommonsense
October 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm
Bothsuck – “Did I miss something on the “more informed” part in regards to your links?”
I just alluded to that. I didn’t link it. But here’s one of many -
Not only did “Republicans fare substantially better than Democrats on several questions in the survey,” Pew says, but that’s “typically the case in surveys about political knowledge.”
http://theweek.com/article/index/227121/are-republicans-better-informed-than-democrats
Brosephus™
October 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm
Doom: So when you factor that in then it would be hard to figure out how it would be mathmatically possible for the average Democrat to have as much income or educational attainment as the average Republican.
I want you to bookmark your post or this thread for the next time you or any other conservative starts b*tching about George Soros or Warren Buffett then. As to your point about earning more money, I could give a rats ass less.
My disagreement was more about the part where you said:
“thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.”
Book sense does not automatically confer common sense. I have met shade tree mechanics with a high school education that was more knowledgable than PhD holders. When you stated that money and education makes one more knowledgable, you stated BS as one doesn’t automatically equal the other, and you won’t be able to find any stats, research, or anything factual to prove that.
A lawyer might know how to cite law but not be able to change a spark plug in his car. You have surgeons who probably don’t know how to put a bookcase together.
Had you stayed within the factual bounds, your statement would have been ok. However, in true Doomy fashion, you inserted your hubris and beat the truth like it was a baby seal.
josef
October 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm
Good Fight
@ 3:41
Regnad Kcin
October 3rd, 2012
4:09 pm
WSJ: “Turkish forces shelled targets inside Syria after Syrian mortar rounds killed five people in a Turkish border town”
Interested to see a link to “Syria arming Armenians” referenced above…
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
4:10 pm
Thulsa
I didn’t ask you to do anything. It was a general comment and I stand by it.
You have been known to throw jabs on this blog whether they were warranted or not. Don’t get upset when one comes back.
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
4:10 pm
josef,
Yes, cnn reported Syria fired a mortar that killed five and Turkey responded by hitting Syrian targets.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 3rd, 2012
4:10 pm
“Gallup’s 10/03/2012 Underemployment rate at 16.7%”
Down from around 20% at peak of recession. Lean forward.
Billybob
October 3rd, 2012
4:11 pm
survey says…….after the debate turn the tv off……or come here and, based on another academic survey/research, allow jay to try to convince you that obama won and didn’t say all the things that might hurt him in your own mind……….
jay,
what did obama mean when he told russia’s second in command off mic to tell vlad to wait until after the election b/c he would have more flexibility then? or did he not actually say what he said then as well?
‘if you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone to run from’…….did obama’s own words right there tell on himself or did he not really say that as well….his radical words are adding up and your posts today are illuminating that…..
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 3rd, 2012
4:12 pm
A lawyer might know how to cite law but not be able to change a spark plug in his car
Alright Brosephus, that is just a cheap shot. I’ll need one of those rachety things and a gapper….
Ahem
October 3rd, 2012
4:12 pm
Obama walks into a gay bar with a parrot on his shoulder:
Bartender: “Where did you get him?”
Parrot: “___________________ .”
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
4:13 pm
“Alright Brosephus, that is just a cheap shot. I’ll need one of those rachety things and a gapper….”
And, of course, a GED.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
4:13 pm
“thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.”
TD: I have to 2nd that. That was and is my contention thus my general comment back to you.
Without looking back at your actual post, I did throw a jab because it is my interpretation that is what you were doing.
Maybe it wasn’t intentional, but that’s how it came across.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm
Three cheers for America’s innovative capitalists, who are leading the world in turning sewage into snow. This year, the Arizona ski resort, located near Flagstaff, will become the first ever to charge humans to glide about in their own waste: 100% pure sewage effluent. How’d you like to face-plant in that?
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/03/walking_in_a_fecal_wonderland/
Regnad Kcin
October 3rd, 2012
4:15 pm
“Pirates without partners” – arrrrrrrrrgh
Joe Hussein Mama
October 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm
Doom — “And I’m glad you’re not a sarcastic smartass.”
Come now, Doom. I was under the impression that you *preferred* your azz to be smart.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm
alittlecommonsense
Thanks for the additional link. Will check it out. While I never vote a straight ticket, except when I voted straight Republican in 88 (my first time being eligible to vote and lacking a lot of knowledge)…….. I will be voting with the “uninformed” in November.
And I am good with it
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm
Big bombs hit Syria targets by the rebels today. Turkey returns fire and protests in Iran over the collapse of their currency were stopped by riot police.
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
4:17 pm
Really, Fred? So, you have a degree in social research to back up the claim that the methodology is useless?
I don’t believe you do. I base that in part on your claim that “Unless ALL THREE groups were asked who won immediately after the debate and THEN asked again after they watched the analysis you have no accurate data to compare.” Because that’s clearly untrue.
The group that saw or read no analysis serves as the control group, the group whose opinions were untainted by post-debate analysis and thus could provide “accurate data to compare” the other two groups.
+++++++++++++++++
Well I have been a successful businessman for 25 years and I don’t have a business degree. I was a successful journalist and I didn’t have a journalism degree. Some of YOU need to be forcefed information, some of US learn on our own. As to polling? I’ve studied it. On my own of course, not having some asshat force feed me info that I regurgitate back on a test………….
There were actually 6 groups. Did you read all 46 pages of the document you linked? Why did you leave three of them off?
But I will say after reading the experiment parameters I feel “better” about the results. However, they forced folks into one of two “controls.” Either you were a democrat or a Republican. That isn’t correct. The break down of the voting public is NOT 50-50 Dem-Reb.
If you reference page 44 of the document linked you find n=56 for Democrats and n=53 for Republicans but nowhere do you see n=a damn thing for independents or non decided.
You better back WAY the hell off on your little Penn State college degree arrogance pal. I hold my own quite well with all the PhD professors and staff from Emory I have to deal with, with my self educationed ass, I can certainly deal with a Penn State history and journalism BBA
josef
October 3rd, 2012
4:17 pm
getalife
Where along the border? In the east or west?
JamVet
October 3rd, 2012
4:17 pm
weetamoe’s lie of the day is always good for a chuckle…
Romney, for example, must pass a test all challengers face when appearing side by side with an incumbent: look and sound like a credible alternative, like a president. The GOP standard-bearer also needs to quiet the jitters among Republicans who see the presidential campaign trending in a direction they worry could hurt down-ballot.
The race for the White House was over before it ever began.
The question is how will the neocons in the US Congress fare?
I’m predicting that the two biggest scumbags, West and Walsh, will be looking for employment in the private sector very soon…
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 3rd, 2012
4:17 pm
crier…. given today’s electronics in motor and cars, most mechanics have to have a number of certifications and specialized training…
How is your elitism working for you? Looking down on others makes you “better” right?
TaxPayer
October 3rd, 2012
4:17 pm
So, the bottom line from these statistical analyses is simple–more Republicans are better off than they were four years ago than Democrats.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 3rd, 2012
4:17 pm
“This year, the Arizona ski resort, located near Flagstaff, will become the first ever to charge humans to glide about in their own waste: 100% pure sewage effluent.”
Well there is no shortage of supply and it will probably be rather deep.
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
4:17 pm
“Obama walks into a gay bar with a parrot on his shoulder…”
You mean at the wedding reception?
josef
October 3rd, 2012
4:19 pm
Ahem
“In Africa. They’re everywhere!”
But, temme, why a GAY bar…? I’d've thought that’d be closet case Ryan…
Regnad Kcin
October 3rd, 2012
4:19 pm
So…
Who will Romney choose to alienate tonight? The “undecided”, or the “conservative base”?
Any guesses?
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
October 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
Watch out where those huskies go and don’t you eat that yellow – er brown – snow.
Fred ™
October 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
Oh and Jay, (as well as anyone else who is interested)? If you ever want to increase your knowledge try this.
https://www.coursera.org/
MIT started something similar almost 10 years ago. I frequent them often.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
October 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
Well put, Tealiban at 4:02.
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
“crier…. given today’s electronics in motor and cars, most mechanics have to have a number of certifications and specialized training…How is your elitism working for you? Looking down on others makes you “better” right?”
Umm…I was poking fun at you and NOT mechanics there, son.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
October 3rd, 2012
4:21 pm
Obama walks into a gay bar…
There’s your sign.
In pink neon.
Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
4:22 pm
they both suck,
Go back and look at my posting sir. The only jabs I’ve thrown on this thread have been in response to people throwing a jab at me first. And while my comment ticked some people off for some reason I’ve yet to see anyone conclusively refute it. Some haven’t even tried refuting it. They just snipe with some silliness that doesn’t have anything to do with anything except trying to take a dig. If they can’t make a point they just come up with some silly insult. Same as it ever was.
Now I was hard on Joe Mama in the previous thread because he got nailed hard by someone else and was proven to be dishonest and at that point he just went into his tap dancing and semantics games. But I didn’t call him names. I just pointed out his dishonesty and his poor attempts to BS his way out of it.
Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)
October 3rd, 2012
4:23 pm
Sure you were crier
….. elitist funny… much like Mitt. Its “fun” in your world to put down others. 
Do you like firing people too? Need a passport for your money? Enjoy zingers?
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
4:23 pm
Fred
Didn’t know about that site. Will check it out. Thanks
Towncrier
October 3rd, 2012
4:24 pm
“Come now, Doom. I was under the impression that you *preferred* your azz to be smart.”
Well…don’t most Democrats think they are smart asses? They can talk, leastways
Joe Hussein Mama
October 3rd, 2012
4:24 pm
This comment was just posted a few minutes ago on the previous thread. I know how much our regulars love them some gooooooood word salad, so enjoy!
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/03/the-new-obama-video-is-devastating-but-not-to-obama/?cp=7#comment-1096746
Don’t even try to make heads or tails of it. Just enjoy the ride.
They BOTH suck
October 3rd, 2012
4:25 pm
TD
Ok dude. Got ya.
Guess you are just referencing today and that is all good.
Fair enough
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
4:25 pm
josef,
Akcakale.
Michael
October 3rd, 2012
4:25 pm
Brazil plays Argentina in soccer, tonight, so I might miss part of the debate. In that case I’ll tune in John Stewart tomorrow night, as his viewers score the highest on current events tests.
I’m thinking of a drinking game tied to zingers. A zinger that hits the target is worth one shot. A zinger that misses is two shots. If Mitt throws a zinger, and it boomerangs and hits him, it is worth three shots. That should set me up for the soccer game that starts later.
joe
October 3rd, 2012
4:25 pm
Like when George “bang the liberal drum” Stephanopolous says Dems won 9 out of last 10 debates. Another pathetic MSM lackey…
getalife
October 3rd, 2012
4:26 pm
Fred was home schooled