Do debates and analysis alter viewpoint? Research says yes

In 2004, political science researchers at Arizona State University assembled three groups of people. One group watched that year’s third presidential debate between John Kerry and George W. Bush. A second group watched the debate plus 20 minutes of analysis on NBC. The third group watched the debate and were then given 20 minutes of access to written “instant analysis” posted on CNN.com.

Then they were asked the same obvious question: Who won? The results, via a graph by Kevin Drum, in turn borrowed from John Sides:

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Those who watched the NBC analysis, which in the researchers’ opinion had been more favorable to Bush, were more than twice as likely to say that Bush had won compared to those who watched the debate without exposure to outside analysis. The contrast with those who read CNN’s analysis — judged more favorable to Kerry by researchers — was even more stark. Only 19 percent in that group felt that Bush had won, although overall, those who had read CNN coverage were most likely to say that neither man had won.

Researchers also took a look at whether partisan differences played any role. Democrats, they found, were much more open to changing their minds about the candidates based on what they had seen in the debates and subsequent analysis, while Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.

They concluded:

“In this case, Republicans are much less willing to be swayed by political information, compared with Democrats. Why are Republicans less receptive to the debate messages? It may be Republicans had more stable and strongly held attitudes about their nominee for the simple reason that their nominee was the incumbent president. Or, it may be the case that Republicans were less receptive to media messages because they are more suspicious of the “liberal bias” of the press.  Or, maybe Democrats held ambivalent feelings about Senator Kerry because they had less information about him, making their attitudes about Senator Kerry more responsive to external stimuli.  Whatever the mechanism, these results suggest that people’s party affiliation clearly affected their reaction to the messages emanating from the debate and subsequent news coverage.”

Keep all that in mind tonight, when we’ll be live-blogging the debate right here. I’ll put a debate post up around 8 p.m., with the debate scheduled to begin at 9 p.m. All major networks will provide coverage, and Jim Lehrer of PBS’ NewsHour will moderate.

– Jay Bookman

466 comments Add your comment

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm

Logical Dude

October 3rd, 2012
2:52 pm

Good graphs show amazing results. It looks like most people need to hear “what did they really say?” analysis to help their opnion.

Not sure how much I agree with it, but looks intriguing.

How big was the sample size and were similar demographics represented?
(maybe I should look at the link)

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
2:52 pm

that’s right…female dogs

Logical Dude

October 3rd, 2012
2:52 pm

Not first? That must be what I get for reading and answering instead of just jumping into the comments!

Good Job Peadawg!

Thomas Heyward Jr

October 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm

Do debates and analysis alter viewpoint?
.
A Debate between a Gorbachev Communist Statist against a Yeltsin Freedom fighter ……..then yes.
.
Between two Morally bankrupt central-planners……………………no.
.
Merely state-sponsored Kabuki.

Aquagirl

October 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm

Good Job Peadawg!

Pfft. “First” with a wimpy question mark…John Wayne is rolling over in his grave at this affront to American Manhood.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm

Those who watched the NBC analysis, which in the researchers’ opinion had been more favorable to Bush, were more than twice as likely to say that Bush had won compared to those who watched the debate without exposure to outside analysis.

But…but…but…GE is in the tank for Democrats.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
2:55 pm

I don’t think corporate media has any credibility left from the American people.

This debate is very important and the majority will be watching..

They will make up their own minds and do their own thinking.

I think our President will “bury” mitt in this debate.

Logical Dude

October 3rd, 2012
2:58 pm

But also, the more important question.

After saying who “won” the debate, how many people actually would consider changing their vote? (and did?)

Sure, analysis can help say who won a debate, but heck, the winner of a debate may show off better, have better “zingers”, or just come across with better with more sleep.

I’ve quit watching debates because answers usually form the “I’ll ignore the question and say what I want to anyway” meme.

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm

I won’t be watching the debates. I have better stuff to do. Both of these guys are complete tools.

I’ll hop on cnn, yahoo, ajc, etc. tomorrow and see what they say.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm

Oh the horror if Fox says Mitt lost tonight’s debate….. that dang liberal media

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:04 pm

September job report better than expected.

Perfect timing for this debate.

I think Jim should start out this debate asking mitt if he would like to apologize for calling our President a “terrorists sympathizer” and why did he freak out after the attack?

mm

October 3rd, 2012
3:04 pm

Anyone want to venture a guess as to how soon Mitt commits a gaffe?

mm

October 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm

Mitt could be muzzled like Hannible Lector and the cons would still claim he won the debate.

JamVet

October 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm

I like Jim Lehrer, but let JamVet moderate!

I’d only have a couple of ground rules. (Aside from those silly. “You have 30 seconds to respond, Mr. Romney” kind of rules.)

I will ask you two gentlemen direct, simple to understand questions.

You will answer them.

The first time you don’t, you will be warned.

The second time you will be declared the loser and asked to leave the stage.

The whole damn thing would take about five minutes!

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm

Anyone want to venture a guess as to how soon Mitt commits a gaffe?

Perhaps a “spot the zinger” contest….

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:06 pm

Pea will let corporate media do his thinking.

Watch the debate and think yourself Pea.

Intellectual laziness.

the cat

October 3rd, 2012
3:06 pm

I wonder what color Mitt’s face will be tonight? Back to normal, hispanic, black, what?

Logical Dude

October 3rd, 2012
3:06 pm

from http://sitemason.vanderbilt.edu/files/jUY0rm/Fridkin.pdf

One-hundred-forty-five subjects were recruited

There were no
statistically significant differences among the six groups in terms of political interest, attention
to the news, or demographic characteristics

and evidently only a portion of those made it into the graph above.

25 in the first group, 25 in the second group and 24 in the third group.

thus, the results, though intriguing, have a large amount of error built in due to the small sample sizes.

Brosephus™

October 3rd, 2012
3:07 pm

Researchers also took a look at whether partisan differences played any role. Democrats, they found, were much more open to changing their minds about the candidates based on what they had seen in the debates and subsequent analysis, while Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.

Quite the interesting statement there. I wonder if they looked into any correlation to the classic definitions of Liberal and Conservative as it seems as though the positions taken almost mirror those definitions.

the cat

October 3rd, 2012
3:07 pm

Jamvet-I like your rules!

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
3:09 pm

Yup, having more important things to do then watch a debate between two d-bags is “intellectual laziness”. Hhmmmm k, getalife.

JamVet

October 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm

I think his handlers will have Mitt on a VERY short leash.

There is no way in their Christian hell he will be allowed to make any more asinine comments about 47% moochers, American ambassadors sympathizing with their attackers. the English botching the Olympics, corporations are people, my friend, I like being able to fire people, I’m not concerned about the very poor and nNo one’s ever asked to see my birth certificate.

Hell, he is probably gonna be too gunshy to even mention Ronald Reagan!

mm

October 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm

“Yup, having more important things to do then watch a debate between two d-bags is “intellectual laziness”. ”

Shaving your cat tonight?

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm

Pea,

I will be watching because it is important and I like to stay informed when I blog.

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
3:12 pm

“Shaving your cat tonight?”

Don’t have one.

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
3:13 pm

Good for you, getalife.

The debates won’t change my mind. I don’t like either one of them.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:13 pm

“Shaving your cat tonight?”

Honey boo boo must be on at the same time.

Butch Cassidy (I)

October 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm

Will the debate be available in it’s entirety so that 5 years from now no one can claim that the liberal media edited out all the damming footage to make Obama look better? ;)

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm

“In this case, Republicans are much less willing to be spoon fed compared with Democrats”

I had to correct the typo in the first sentence of course.

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
3:15 pm

What’s a honey boo boo? Sounds like some ghetto show on VH1 or BET or something. I don’t have cable, dish, etc.

Regnad Kcin

October 3rd, 2012
3:15 pm

I’ve gotta change the air in my bicycle tires…

jconservative

October 3rd, 2012
3:17 pm

I find it hard to accept that analysis by “liberal media” kingpin NBC resulted in a Bush “win”.

mm

October 3rd, 2012
3:17 pm

I wonder if Romney will wipe his hand on his pants after he shakes Obama’s hand.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
3:17 pm

“Researchers also took a look at whether partisan differences played any role. Democrats, they found, were much more open to changing their minds about the candidates based on what they had seen in the debates and subsequent analysis, while Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.”

Or it could be that Republicans are generally better informed to begin with and thus less likely to change their mind. They do after all generally have higher incomes and higher educational attainment than Democrats and thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:17 pm

Pea,

Honey boo boo is a reality show about a family in Georgia,

They use subtitles so folks can understand them.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm

getalife,

Respect Saban. Do it. Do it now!

the cat

October 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm

Thulsa-you just enjoy being an azzhat don’t you? No one takes you seriously any more, just trying to incite people. Give it a rest.

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
3:20 pm

I don’t watch trash t.v., getalife.

Jay

October 3rd, 2012
3:20 pm

I don’t claim to be an expert on it, Logical, but I don’t think that you can compare margins of error for random polling of a population against experiments of this sort in which you have well-defined, well-known subjects in a controlled environment with a control group against which to compare your findings.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:20 pm

jconservative,

Russet was gop.

mm

October 3rd, 2012
3:21 pm

Romney held his own against the intellectual “giants” in the primaries.

Now he must face off with someone that understands math, science, law, economics, etc. You know, things you learn when you are educated.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:21 pm

Doom,

No.

Pea,

It is not “Ghetto” or” trash”.

It is funny and very popular.

Rightwing Troll

October 3rd, 2012
3:22 pm

And undoubtedly support Mittens… since they are part of his core constituency..

Fred ™

October 3rd, 2012
3:22 pm

That isn’t an accurate poll and there is no way to get an “accurate” poll based on the methodology.

What a bunch of crap. Are you really this bored Jay?

Unless ALL THREE groups were asked who won immediately after the debate and THEN asked again after they watched the analysis you have no accurate data to compare. Who changed their minds between the end of the debate and the end of the spin?

Even that way isn’t accurate. Who WOULDN’T change their mind despite the spin just because once they answered a question one way there wasn’t a chance in hell they would admit to changing their minds.

Wow Jay. Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZcYP00b2FI

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
3:22 pm

JAY,

Wow, interesting data.. If possible, I’d drill deeper into the data…first, it would be interesting to evaluate participants actual understanding of each issue. Second, I would isolate the individual NBC or CNN pundit offering commentary…many other variables needed here to draw specific conclusions..ergo the most obvious conclusion here is that people hear what they want to hear from those they want to hear it from…

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
3:22 pm

Thulsa Doom
October 3rd, 2012
3:17 pm

Anybody who believes what Obama and Romney are saying, without questioning them, are un-educated. You have to take what these politicians say w/ a grain of salt. They’re playing y’all like a fiddle.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
3:23 pm

the cat,

Apparently you still take me seriously or else you wouldn’t write to me. As for the azzhat stuff when you have to reduce yourself to namecalling you’ve already lost. Plus Jay bans people for name calling.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:23 pm

Breaking:

Turkey fires on Syrian targets.

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
3:24 pm

“very popular”

So is Katy Perry and Justin Beiber (for some reason). What’s your point?

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

You have to take what these politicians say w/ a grain of salt.

Peadawg,

Thank you for the pearl of wisdom.

Regnad Kcin

October 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

I tend to agree with Fred – this is a big nothing…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

Tomorrow I will be releasing exclusive video of Mitt Romney at the debate using his “white guy accented voice”

Heh, heh, heh.

the cat

October 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

Thulsa-Jay has used the term azzhat himself but good try.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

Pea,

My point is I will multitask.

Watch the debate and live blog here.

Join us.

Brosephus™

October 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

They do after all generally have higher incomes and higher educational attainment than Democrats and thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.

Pure effin’ speculation. If you have to make sh*t up to make your point, then there is no point to be made. Where is your empirical evidence to back that up?

Logical Dude

October 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm

Jay: I don’t claim to be an expert on it

And the article does say that there is a “statistical signfiicance” to the results at the very very bottom, so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.

But I’m still a little wary of a group of 74 and basing results off of what could be just a couple of impressionable people rather than a larger sample size that would give me better confidence in the results.

Alas, they were inhibited by cost of getting “general population” subjects rather than just “university” subjects for the research. It also would be nice to see if a duplicate study has been done on subsequent debates.

Jay

October 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm

They do after all generally have higher incomes and higher educational attainment than Democrats and thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.

Well, except for the fact that they don’t.

Among voters of incomes of $200K or greater, Obama beat McCain 52-46 in 2008. Among those with a post-grad degree, Obama won 58-40. Among college grads in general, Obama won 53-45.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
3:27 pm

JAY,

Would you agree that the most important variable in the outcome of this race is voter turnout? Since this can’t be projected by all these polls (at least Rasmussen doesn’t assume same 2008 turnout for BO but a more conservative blend of 2000, 2004 and 2008) we will learn a lot about what having 80 some odd polls really means in due time..

Of course, while not supported by many, it seems to me that these polls will be a battle cry for the righties to get out and vote in number that vastly exceeds 2008 rightie turnout…

Tonite will be fun…I’d be surprised if both sides didn’t declare victory…I’m sure no one to the LEFT on this forum would ever admit if BO lost debate convincingly…

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
3:27 pm

getalife,

I was just messin with ya. A client of mine who is a big time cajun and Saints/LSU fan called me today. We talked for 5 minutes about his health plan and then for 15 minutes about SEC football and the national championship game Nov. 3rd between LSU and Bama.

stands for decibels

October 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm

What’s a honey boo boo? Sounds like some ghetto show

Yes. From what I’ve been led to believe, that’s largely correct.

Patricia Shannon

October 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm

I’m not surprised. I remember after the debate feeling that Kerry had won, then seeing the news comments saying Bush had won.
I notice nobody is willing to say the obvious. At least one reason conservatives are less likely to change their minds after a debate is that they are less open to learning new things in general.

mm

October 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm

“They do after all generally have higher incomes and higher educational attainment than Democrats and thus are more knowledgeable to begin with.”

That is why your arrogant party is toast. It’s laughable that you think cons are more knowledgeable.

Here’s a brief summary of republican knowledge.

The earth is 6000 years old (although carbon dating proves otherwise).

Trickle down economics works (although history has proven otherwise).

This country was based on religion (although history has proven otherwise).

Reagan was a conservative (although history has proven otherwise).

Romney will win in November (although the polls say otherwise).

Fox News is fair and balanced (no comment necessary).

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm

JAY,

Perhaps the educational data provided had more to do with voting against BUSH/McCLAIN (BUSH hangover) than voting for BO…just the same as GOP’ers are not voting for Romney as much as they are voting against BO…

Fly-On-The-Wall

October 3rd, 2012
3:29 pm

I will be herding cats tonight. Gotta take em for their nightly walk.

Jay

October 3rd, 2012
3:30 pm

Logical, “76% (of participants) were from the community and 24% were college students.”

stands for decibels

October 3rd, 2012
3:30 pm

I usually tune in to CSPAN for debates, just to spare myself hearing the endless pre-game show. Afterward, I usually check the major outlets to see what the bobbleheads have to say.

Jay

October 3rd, 2012
3:31 pm

“Thulsa-Jay has used the term azzhat himself but good try.

It’s possible I’m mistaken, but I don’t believe that’s true. It’s not a word in my usual vocabulary.”

mm

October 3rd, 2012
3:32 pm

“At least one reason conservatives are less likely to change their minds after a debate is that they are less open to learning new things in general.”

Put another way, cons can never admit when they are wrong. None of them.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
3:32 pm

STANDS,

I gotta tell you, Honey Boo Boo (i’m scared to admit this) is a scream for many reasons….watch an episode (one will do) and tell me these are no the most humble folks you’ve ever seen…I won’t likely watch it again and prefer books to TV, but it’s a damn funny show…

Think next generation Green Acres with modern twists..

GT

October 3rd, 2012
3:32 pm

There is a big difference tonight with a bipartisan audience than there was with the Republican primary which reminded me of the old Grong Game Show. Even the Democratic Primaries of Obama and Clinton are closer models of tonight than the cowboy choir of the Republicans. The Republicans who claim the upper society looked like one of those cage wrestling matches where a dozen masked men go after each other. My guess is Mitt will disenfranchise this crowd tonight and come out with the opera music. If Obama could somehow replay the then and now and be able to comment on this in his arguments he will get the king of flip flop with his burglar tools.

I wonder if Hannity hasn’t predicted this and instead of going back a few months showed people stuff from five years ago to lay a foundation tonight for checking any history lessons. I think everything that has come out in the last week is postured for this debate. I hope Wright comes up, that is not swing vote material, could be anti swing vote.

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:33 pm

Doom,

I know. I heard Mett is going pro and will be gone. I think the quarterback from the Chargers Phillips younger brother will battle the Penn State quarterback to start next year. The honey badger might come back if he can stop smoking weed.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
3:33 pm

Jay,

That’s just an exit poll. It doesn’t represent the incomes of millions of folks- more like 17,000. Also its a pretty well known fact of life that the more affluent suburbs with higher incomes and educational attainment tend to vote R and the less affluent areas tend to vote D. I don’t think there’s a whole lotta dispute about that.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
3:35 pm

JAY,

How about assface..which is the term used to connect with my daughters boyfriend?

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
3:36 pm

getalife,

You may be jumping the gun on Mett. He’s looked good against the lesser competition but against regular sec competition like the Auburn defense he was downright average. We’ll know a lot more about him after we see him against the Florida defense this week which is a really good defense.

As for Honey badger I hope he can kick the week problem. He’s a great player and quite a talent to watch.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
3:36 pm

STANDS,

I’m going to watch the debate then turn off the tv…we all know what the respective leading pundits will say before this thing begins…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

It’s a pretty well known fact of life that I will win the Oscar for best director next year.

Peadawg

October 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

“How about assface..which is the term used to connect with my daughters boyfriend?”

That’s a good word to describe both Obama and Romney.

Redneck Convert (R---and proud of it)

October 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

Well, I sure hope they have lots of analysis after the debates tonight. If Romney took on little Nathan Zell George in a debate, my money would be on the kid.

Road Scholar

October 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

“Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.”

Shocking I say; who would have thunk it!

” It may be Republicans had more stable and strongly held attitudes about their nominee for the simple reason that their nominee was the incumbent president. Or, it may be the case that Republicans were less receptive to media messages …”

Or it could be that some are crazy! ie where are we going to invade next? We supported them in getting democracy, but they didn’t vote in who we wanted..!!!! Whaaa!

They BOTH suck

October 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

TD

Actually, blue states as a whole have higher levels of college educated folks then red states. Of course that is not an absolute for every red or blue state, but it is on average a fact

Of course that isn’t a party breakdown, but you have posted an assertion yourself

Would you mind backing it up with facts?

Jay

October 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

“That isn’t an accurate poll and there is no way to get an “accurate” poll based on the methodology.

What a bunch of crap. Are you really this bored Jay?

Unless ALL THREE groups were asked who won immediately after the debate and THEN asked again after they watched the analysis you have no accurate data to compare. Who changed their minds between the end of the debate and the end of the spin?”

————

Really, Fred? So, you have a degree in social research to back up the claim that the methodology is useless?

I don’t believe you do. I base that in part on your claim that “Unless ALL THREE groups were asked who won immediately after the debate and THEN asked again after they watched the analysis you have no accurate data to compare.” Because that’s clearly untrue.

The group that saw or read no analysis serves as the control group, the group whose opinions were untainted by post-debate analysis and thus could provide “accurate data to compare” the other two groups.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

I wonder how much influence the audience participation has with ones’ opinion of who won…should we anticipate a DEM skewed group?

Brosephus™

October 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

I usually tune in to CSPAN for debates, just to spare myself hearing the endless pre-game show.

That is my usual preference as well. I don’t really care for all the gobbledygook mumbling from all the talking heads. I am perfectly capable of comprehending what I hear and forming my own opinion based upon my own knowledge base.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 3rd, 2012
3:38 pm

Here’s my chart on who will win tonight:

Obama : _________ >

Romney : ________________________________________________________ >

There ……… that settles that !

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 3rd, 2012
3:38 pm

It’s a pretty well known fact of life that I swim naked across the Bering Sea from Alaska to Russia in the dead of winter.

Brosephus™

October 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm

I don’t think Jay has used the word ass in most any form. If anything, he may have used jackassery or something, but not those other suggestions.

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm

“Researchers also took a look at whether partisan differences played any role. Democrats, they found, were much more open to changing their minds about the candidates based on what they had seen in the debates and subsequent analysis, while Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.”

And there you have it – from a single “study” and without any discussion of who the “researchers” were and what methodology they used – we have a sweeping generalization to “keep in mind” for tonight’s “debate” (really nothing more than a Q&A session). The only thing I will keep in mind is to hit the “mute” button once the debate has ended – no matter what channel I watch it on.

In my case, their conclusions would apply because I am a social conservative and could never vote for Obama (I would not vote if his opponent was a social liberal).

It will be interesting to see what is discussed and how it is handled. I expect to see BOTH Obama and Romney squirm and fudge quite a bit. Neither of them are top shelf candidates, in my opinion.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm

PEADAWG,

I couldn’t agree more…however, as i’m writing this I’m thinking that perhaps my moniker for boyfriend, he really does have a face that resembles an ass..shape…may be too lofty for these two self serving, money grubbers..

They BOTH suck

October 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm

TD

On average you could be correct on income. It doesn’t hold true for every election, but I am not sure about education.

And how big of a sample does Jay need, 350 million?

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm

“………………while Republicans showed no such willingness to alter their perspective.”

As if we needed scientific research to prove that.

Finn McCool

October 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm

Also its a pretty well known fact of life…

ie, what follows is pure BS pulled right outta my arse.

Thulsa Doom

October 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm

the cat

October 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

Thulsa-Jay has used the term azzhat himself but good try.

the cat,

Looks to me like Jay disputes you. You’ll have to take it up with him. But good try.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 3rd, 2012
3:40 pm

getalife

October 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Doom,

I think Mett wants to leave LSU because he got booed and nobody likes the weirdo. He will probably not be drafted but I will be glad he is gone. I think honey badger will come back because he will be drafted after he proves himself. He will get paid millions to stay off the weed.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Kam

That explains the demi-term gov’s sighting of Moby Dick.

Towncrier

October 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

“I usually tune in to CSPAN for debates, just to spare myself hearing the endless pre-game show.”

Amen

“That is my usual preference as well. I don’t really care for all the gobbledygook mumbling from all the talking heads. I am perfectly capable of comprehending what I hear and forming my own opinion based upon my own knowledge base.”

And amen.

Keep Up the Good Fight! (and only seeing conned poutrage)

October 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

It’s a pretty well known fact of life that I swim naked across the Bering Sea from Alaska to Russia in the dead of winter

Well that explains how you got caught in one of those traps on Dangerous Catch. Be careful when you exit the water in Russia…Sarah is watching and you don’t want her to stalk you. My suggestion borrow a pair of Doom’s speedos. :D

Ahem

October 3rd, 2012
3:42 pm

Do debates and analysis alter viewpoint? Research says yes

Do the lack of jobs; record high gas prices; and a looming second recession alter voters viewpoints on the “Status Quo Bro”? You betcha!

October 3, 2012
U.S. Nongovernment Job Creation Stalls
State and local government hiring sustain national picture
by Lymari MoralesWASHINGTON, D.C. — U.S. nongovernment workers reported worse job creation conditions in September than they have in any month since February. Gallup’s Job Creation Index score of +21 among nongovernment workers is down from +23 in August and a high of +25 in April. At the same time, the job creation climate within state and local government became even more positive, helping to sustain U.S. job creation nationally.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 3rd, 2012
3:42 pm

BRO,

If you are correct that displays quite a lot of self control on Jays part…its not like we witness countless posts here that deserve the word in one form or another..