Romney has many plans; you get to hear none of them

A tight-lipped Mitt Romney won't tell America his intentions as president. You see, it's on a need-to-know basis ... and you don't need to know

A tight-lipped Mitt Romney won't tell America his intentions as president. You see, it's on a need-to-know basis ... and you don't need to know

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Mitt Romney’s inability to close the gap with Barack Obama can be explained in many ways, from his stiff persona to his general disdain for working Americans to doubts about the Republican Party’s mad dash to the right. But at root, I think, it comes down to a lack of trust. Voters have no sense of who this guy is and how he intends to govern, and his continued flip flops and refusal to provide details only feeds those suspicions.

Of course, every politician tries to avoid getting nailed down on the campaign trail. But even with that as a given, Romney’s aversion to specifics has gained legendary status. For example, just yesterday Romney finally announced that if elected, he would not attempt to revoke special two-year visas granted to young immigrants brought here illegally as children.

“The people who have received the special visa that the president has put in place, which is a two-year visa, should expect that the visa would continue to be valid. I’m not going to take something that they’ve purchased,” Romney told the Denver Post. “Before those visas have expired we will have the full immigration reform plan that I’ve proposed.”

The problem, of course, is that Romney hasn’t proposed a “full immigration reform plan.” He hasn’t even proposed small pieces of such a plan. He has merely promised to produce such a plan at some later date after the election, as if “that’s all you people need to know.”

Even conservatives find his refusal to engage frustrating. As the Wall Street Journal editorial board put it, “Mr. Romney’s pre-existing political calculation seems to be that he can win the election without having to explain the economic moment or even his own policies.” It drily notes that “such vagueness carries its own political risks.”

And as conservative writer Matt Lewis notes at The Daily Caller:

“Romney is keeping his tax plan a secret for many of the same calculating reasons he is keeping his personal taxes a secret. The problem is that his tax reform plan is of much greater interest to the public than his personal taxes. What is more, it’s not just the dreaded media he should be afraid of. It feels like Romney is hiding his real plans from even his base.”

The problem is epitomized by an op-ed published under Romney’s byline in the Wall Street Journal Monday. The Romney campaign has decided to make foreign policy a major focus, and this 760-word critique of the Obama record is intended to launch that effort.

I urge you to go read it. Like the rest of the Romney campaign, it is all noise and absolutely no content. It does not criticize a single Obama decision on foreign policy, other than his decision not to meet personally with Bibi Netanyahu. It also does not suggest a single new policy that a President Romney would undertake. When you have finished reading the piece, you will have learned absolutely nothing about how Romney would handle foreign policy.

And again, that’s by design, not by accident.

Romney’s problem is obvious. Policy specifics that would pass muster with his party’s right-wing base would alarm the general-election voter, while policies that would please the general electorate would outrage his base. So Romney and his staff have decided to sidestep the problem by avoiding any discussion of specifics whatsoever.

However, it will be interesting to see how Romney handles that problem in the debate tomorrow night in Denver (we’ll be live-blogging it here, by the way.) Obama has a four-year record as president to be analyzed and attacked, and Romney will no doubt attempt to make the most of that opportunity. But in a debate format, his refusal to deal in any way with specifics or details can’t be brushed aside easily, and it’s not a problem that extensive debate preparations is likely to fix.

– Jay Bookman

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Mike

October 2nd, 2012
9:33 am

President Obama had many plans. Only we do not get to see them. We only hear about them.
Remember the old adage” don’t tell me, show me”?

Mike

October 2nd, 2012
9:34 am

Ha! numero uno!!!

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
9:35 am

it will be interesting to see how Romney handles that problem in the debate tomorrow night in Denver

With zingers, of course.

Regnad Kcin

October 2nd, 2012
9:36 am

We DO know:

He will honor the two-year sprcial visas;
he intends to offer an immigration reform proposal;
he intends to offer a tax reform proposal.

What else? Anything?

Simple Truths

October 2nd, 2012
9:36 am

2008: Lack of specifics + broad platitudes = good.
2012: We need specific plans and details

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
9:37 am

and it’s not a problem that extensive debate preparations is likely to fix.

Depends. If he uses the same technique you outlined above — asserting that something is explained in full in his plan, while simultaneously not having done any of that.. or worse, just making up stuff in the moment that contradicts something he said hours earlier — then the average low-information voter might buy it.

Bullseye

October 2nd, 2012
9:37 am

We just need some shock and awe and an order of freedom fries.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
9:38 am

2008: Lack of specifics + broad platitudes = good.

I’ll bet you’re the only one here who didn’t know about the specific Obama plans, including universal health care, closing Gitmo, and saving the country from financial Armaggedon.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
9:39 am

an order of freedom fries.

Do those come without salt? I’m on a diet.

Mick

October 2nd, 2012
9:39 am

He can’t really get too specific, the people have already been telling pollsters that it’s ok to raise taxes on the wealthy and for romney thats a non-starter which everything flows from. The republican brand is in free fall and with good reason; there’s nothing for the middle class and everything for the wealthy. Guess which class is outnumbered???

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 2nd, 2012
9:40 am

Well, I’m sure Romney will let us know what he’s going to do once he’s in office. I guess it’s kind of a double secret. I love suprizes, specially at Christmas time but after-election suprizes are OK too. It’s kinda exciting to have that big political present all wrapped up and ready to be opened but you know you can’t yet. Heck, maybe it’s another big Tax Cut! Or a war or hauling all the illegals out of the country. There could be anything in that box!

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
9:40 am

Guess which class is outnumbered???

Depends on whether the number comes with a currency sign in front of it.

Butch Cassidy (I)

October 2nd, 2012
9:41 am

Jay – “But in a debate format, his refusal to deal in any way with specifics or details can’t be brushed aside easily”

Have we forgotten the Sarah Palin debate style? Forget the questions, just rant on incessently about how awesome you and your running mate are. Oh, and whenever possible, try to get in at least a couple of winks. :)

TaxPayer

October 2nd, 2012
9:42 am

If I am elected president, I promise to be… or not to be. Of that I have no question. – The Mitt, It fits like a glove except it doesn’t.

Bullseye

October 2nd, 2012
9:43 am

Romney: “I’ll make sure this sucker goes down.”

Jay

October 2nd, 2012
9:44 am

“an order of freedom fries.”

It is an enduring source of sad amusement to me that Walter Jones of North Carolina, the guy who coined that phrase out of anger with the French for not joining the invasion of Iraq later did a 180 on the war and confessed it was a major mistake.

It just says so much.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 2nd, 2012
9:45 am

Robme’s plan is to increase corporate welfare on the backs of the 47% , clear as a bell. 4 more for 44.

JOE COOL............

October 2nd, 2012
9:46 am

YES!! 20% tax cut for everyone says the Romney camp….. Soooo how do we pay for it?

Ummmmm, we’ll tell you later. Vote for us!

Martin the Calvinist

October 2nd, 2012
9:46 am

I know Obama’s plan for the next four years, raise taxes on the rich, (though his tax increases will hit middle class business owners and will also affect upper middle class individuals) cut national defense spending; (I personally have called for that as well), eliminate nuclear arms, completely shut down the public oil industry aka no oil drilling on public lands, completely shut down the coal industry, give more poor people food stamps and cell phones, borrow more money to redistribute to poor people and “pay” for the AHCPA aka Obamacare….

oh, he did say he was going to raise the corporate tax rate but give a cut to those who invested in the US, does he mean like GM, which announce over a billion dollars worth of investments in Russia, China, and Mexico? Or like GE who makes windmill turbines in China? and pays no corporate taxes at all?

larry

October 2nd, 2012
9:47 am

No specifics, but plenty of zingers, unless the zingers are the specifics of his plan.

I wouldn’t be suprised.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
9:48 am

I know Obama’s plan for the next four years, raise taxes on the rich, (though his tax increases will hit middle class business owners and will also affect upper middle class individuals) cut national defense spending; (I personally have called for that as well), eliminate nuclear arms, completely shut down the public oil industry aka no oil drilling on public lands, completely shut down the coal industry, give more poor people food stamps and cell phones, borrow more money to redistribute to poor people and “pay” for the AHCPA aka Obamacare….

clearly you’re just making stuff up. Sad, because reality is so much more interesting.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
9:49 am

If Romney doesn’t have specifics, expect him to wave around shiny objects and $10,000 bets.

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

October 2nd, 2012
9:49 am

Robme is the problem not the solution. 4 more for 44

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 2nd, 2012
9:50 am

” The days of lobbyist controlling the agenda in DC are over”
“We will have an immigration policy during the early months of my administration”
“We will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term”
“Our standing among the outside world will improve simply by my election”

I may be paraphrasing but I think you get my drift…I guess I missed the specifics of the above plans..although I really was interested in the first one…

Jay..we all know that it matters not what they say in this election (even lies like Romney offshored jobs…) it matters only that there are two types of voters..those who want Obama and those who want him gone..

Rightwing Troll

October 2nd, 2012
9:51 am

“I know Obama’s plan for the next four years, raise taxes on the rich, (though his tax increases will hit middle class business owners and will also affect upper middle class individuals) cut national defense spending; (I personally have called for that as well), eliminate nuclear arms, completely shut down the public oil industry aka no oil drilling on public lands, completely shut down the coal industry, give more poor people food stamps and cell phones, borrow more money to redistribute to poor people and “pay” for the AHCPA aka Obamacare….”

YOU LIE!!!… (like a cheap rug…)

Ray Tardinski

October 2nd, 2012
9:51 am

I can’t believe you could seriously write this drivel. The Odumber will be the one side-stepping the issues. You know, the ones you don’t write about like Fast and Furious, blatant denial of islamic extremism and the terrorist attack/assassination, hidden truths about Obummer Care, the deficit, jobs growth, the housing collapse…I could go on and on but you get the picture. No matter how inept Odumbo cums across, I would bet your fat liberal arse will be on here touting what a grand victory he made…….. Oh, and get an updated profile pic Jay.

lovelyliz

October 2nd, 2012
9:51 am

The last man who said trust me was my sister’s then-husband, two girlfriends before he filed for divorce and I trust most politicians less than even her ex-husband.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 2nd, 2012
9:52 am

Marvin,

OK, I need to know if President Trillions actually allowed taxpayers to pay for cell phones for the needy?

Bullseye

October 2nd, 2012
9:53 am

Ray Tard….says it all, eh?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 2nd, 2012
9:53 am

TROLL,

We can take your comments more seriously if you offered meaningful support for your allegation…this is not the sandbox…

BlahBlahBlah

October 2nd, 2012
9:53 am

Obama’s lack of specifics on economic issues, especially entitlements, is equally baffling.

His tax plan doesn’t shore up the deficit. No one knows his bright ideas on Social Security and Medicare. Of course, in leftyland that’s Boehner’s fault.

For all of Paul Ryan’s faults, at least he put a detailed plan out there. Where’s Obama’s detailed plan? All I see are trillion dollar deficits in perpetuity.

#1 Foxy Lady

October 2nd, 2012
9:54 am

as my popularity with gentlemen proves, all he need is a catch phrase. he can’t have mines. it is trademarks.

perhaps he should pimp this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ&feature=fvwrel

it seems to fit his attitude toward at least 47% of us.

Greg

October 2nd, 2012
9:54 am

Well, you have to pass the bills before we know what is in them.

Martin the Calvinist

October 2nd, 2012
9:54 am

byte me, are you kidding….hasn’t obama called for the Buffet rule on millionaires? hasn’t he said he wants to raise taxes on those who make 200,000/250,000….isn’t it true that there are not any land leases to drill for oil on public land, isn’t it true that Obama said in Campaign stops that coal was dirty energy and it needed to go….hasn’t he said that the cuts for National defense made by the super committee should stick, what part am I saying is fiction…..hasn’t the number of people on food stamps increased for 8 consecutive months, hasn’t the state of Ohio alone received over a million new cell phones paid by that Universal tax on your phone bill….I’m not making this up. Obama believes that America is great because of what Government does? His actions has shown to me he is serious about growing the size of government and only wants those who make 200,000/250,000 to pay for it’s expansion….

Jay

October 2nd, 2012
9:54 am

Such a gentleman, that Ray Tardinski. Mild-mannered, well-informed …

Regnad Kcin

October 2nd, 2012
9:54 am

Wow! Odumber, Obummer, and Odumbo in one post! Makes you look so intelligent and clever! I bet your Mom is REAL proud of you – but should you be playing on her computer?

mm

October 2nd, 2012
9:55 am

How’s that Smoke/Mirrors ticket working out for you cons?

kayaker 71

October 2nd, 2012
9:55 am

Off topic,

Two more border agents shot south of Tucson today by drug smugglers. Wonder if they were using Eric Holder’s weapons?

They BOTH suck

October 2nd, 2012
9:56 am

Stevie

Program started under Reagan.

“It is a Federal program, but no tax dollars are used. Instead, telecom companies pay for it, but most of them pass along the cost to their customers, so really they don’t pay for it, paying customers pay for it. You’ll see the charges on your cell bill as the Universal Service Fee or the Universal Connectivity Fee.”

Don’t be so lazy next time. If you want to know something; look it up.

Donovan

October 2nd, 2012
9:56 am

Well now. Obama got elected on something as hollow as, Hope & Change, didn’t he?

There were promises of good days ahead and transformations for America’s way of doing business. Nothing concrete and nothing substantive, but always a silver lining for the future of Obamaland. As crazy as it sounded, it worked for a no-name Chicago Marxist community organizer.

Fast forward to 2012 and we have a left wing journalist posting how the same tactics used by a political opponent are detrimental to his success in defeating Obama. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Don’t you love the hypocrisy? Don’t you love the worry on the left that someone else is using their same gun to kill them? Do I smell fear? You bet!

Pay back is a beach.

mm

October 2nd, 2012
9:57 am

My, my. The thread is only 1 page deep and the cons have already spewed practically every talking point they’ve learned in the last 4 years.

Thomas Heyward Jr

October 2nd, 2012
9:57 am

“Romney handles that problem in the debate tomorrow night in Denver (we’ll be live-blogging it here, by the way.)”
.
There’s no “debate” without a third or fourth Party to inject logic.
Only an auction.

OBIWAN

October 2nd, 2012
9:57 am

But we have to pass it to see what is in it..

TaxPayer

October 2nd, 2012
9:57 am

I’d be willing to bet that Mitt will try to relate to people in the middle class by lowering his televised gentlemen’s wager from $10,000 to $10 while eating a bowl of grits at the same time. After all, the only thing wrong with his message before was it lacked eloquence and what says eloquence more than $10 and a bowl of grits. Of course if he slips up and puts sugar on them grits or asks for change for a hundred in order to place his ten dollar bet, that’s a game changer.

St Simons

October 2nd, 2012
9:58 am

“We’ve told you people all you need to know.”
“I didn’t ask you a question”
Use the service entrance when you leave
and don’t touch the silver.

There’s your pahhhty, cons.
while YOU shop at walmart for inferior chinese sh*, make less money
working harder (if you jerb didn’t get outsourced by a venture capitalist)
with your healthcare & pension ripped off.
and you vote for Them.
That’s masochism, cons & its hard to treat.
Don’t drive up my healthcare costs, cons – figure it out.

They BOTH suck

October 2nd, 2012
9:58 am

mm

The shrillness and vitriol will only increase. While the polls have tightened a little in the last few days, the EC projections have not changed much.

Rightwing Troll

October 2nd, 2012
9:59 am

“Thanks to the FCC-mandated, government-sponsored program, called LifeLine Assistance, the financially disadvantaged can receive a free government cell phone and up to 250 free minutes every month. An estimated 12.5 million other Americans already participate, and tens of millions more qualify to enroll. With the economy falling further and further behind, more and more Americans are finding themselves eligible for the Lifeline phone service program.

In the 90′s, the federal government set up the Lifeline phone service program via a mandate by the FCC. This program, funded by Universal Service Fund fees on telephone bills, provides qualified consumers with discounted (often free) monthly telephone service. It began as just a landline program and a few years ago made it’s debut with cell phones. It’s been commonly called the “Obama phone” but that’s an urban legend as free cell phones were added under the Bush Administration.”

Yet another outright lie repeated ad nauseum by lying liars… It started as Reagan phones, W added cell phones in 2008, so they should be called W phones… yet another case of willful attribution of blame or credit to the wrong person… shameful, sad, and pathetic…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 2nd, 2012
9:59 am

JAY,

At least he appears to be a scholar as well.

I was hoping you could compare and contrast the big picture promises by Romney in 2012 and BO in 2008….I can’t see that either don’t simply tell people what they want to hear…to be certain, BO’s lack of any remote follow thru on any of the mega-items I posted speaks volumes for both, as well as congress et al…

Can you help a brother understand the delta here?

OBIWAN

October 2nd, 2012
10:01 am

But Obama is so smart, just look at his collage transcripts, oh wait he sealed them, man that is transparency.

Jay

October 2nd, 2012
10:01 am

“isn’t it true that there are not any land leases to drill for oil on public land, isn’t it true that Obama said in Campaign stops that coal was dirty energy and it needed to go….hasn’t he said that the cuts for National defense made by the super committee should stick

That would be a no, followed by a no, followed by another no.

For example, at http://fuelfix.com/blog/2012/01/10/oil-and-gas-leases-on-public-lands-up-20-percent-in-2011-feds-say/ , we find the following:

“Oil and gas lease sales on public lands grew 20 percent in 2011, a top official said today, as the Interior Department plans more sales in 2012 and mulls whether to boost the royalty rate.

In 32 lease sales, the Bureau of Land Management brought in $256 million on sales of 1,296 parcels of land, up from $213 million in 2010 on sales of 1,090 parcels, the Interior Department said. Deputy Interior Secretary David Hayes told reporters the numbers for 2011 include a lease sale in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve-Alaska in December.

BLM has scheduled 32 additional lease sales on U.S. public lands in 2012, according to the agency.

“We intend to continue to build on that success [from 2011] this year,” Hayes said at a Platts Energy Podium event.

The conservative affinity for just making stuff up continues to amaze and dismay.

bob

October 2nd, 2012
10:01 am

We know Obama’s plan to fix the economy, raise taxes on the rich. everything will fall into place once that happens, easy as abc. Obama will win, taxes will go up on most and we should see the economy jump start as soon as the tax cuts expire. I would like to know why some dems are against some of the taxes going up when we are told taxes are a form of patriotism and we need more patriots. Don’t listen to repubs, the higher the tax, the higher the revenue and many more good paying jobs that will let those on the bottom ease into the system and then become taxpayers themselves, basic economics suggest this has always worked so ignore any effort to cut any tax on anybody.

Rightwing Troll

October 2nd, 2012
10:01 am

“Two more border agents shot south of Tucson today by drug smugglers. Wonder if they were using Eric Holder’s weapons?”

The NRA fully supports the right of the two “drug smugglers” to have those weapons and stand their ground…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 2nd, 2012
10:02 am

JAY,

Did you read this? Hard to dismiss Samuelson’s observations..this is a model outline that provides the reason behind my distain for both..check it out..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-the-truth-deficit-from-obama-and-romney/2012/09/30/262c4602-09a5-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html

Junior Samples

October 2nd, 2012
10:03 am

I will go record for saying that after the debates the media will tout what a grand success
Obama was in all areas and that he clearly won. Just like they did with Owl Gore and Kerry.

Rightwing Troll

October 2nd, 2012
10:03 am

“The conservative affinity for just making stuff up continues to amaze and dismay.”

I expect politicians to make stuff up and lie, what’s dismaying is the readiness and zeal exhibited by the wingnut faithful in both lapping up those lies and perpetuating them…

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
10:04 am

Wonder if they were using Eric Holder’s weapons?

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, right? So why blame the weapons?

Rightwing Troll

October 2nd, 2012
10:04 am

Stevie Ray,
I read it, and I agree. Sadly, we HAVE to choose one of them.

They BOTH suck

October 2nd, 2012
10:05 am

Junior Samples

Was it coincidence or just oversight that you skipped over the 08 debates?

killerj

October 2nd, 2012
10:05 am

By the way,what,s up with some airplane workers and the white house?,have a good day Jay.

stands for decibels

October 2nd, 2012
10:06 am

I urge you to go read it.

aww, Dad, do I hafta?

They BOTH suck

October 2nd, 2012
10:06 am

“Wonder if they were using Eric Holder’s weapons?”

Are you wondering if they were or are you hoping and would be all giddy if they were?

Ben Shockley

October 2nd, 2012
10:06 am

“Romney has many plans; you get to hear none of them”

Kind of like Obamacare

jconservative

October 2nd, 2012
10:06 am

Romney has said plenty. He will create a $5 trillion tax cut which will reduce the deficit and start paying off the National Debt. The same plan we had under Reagan in 1981 – 1988 with probably the same results, tripling the National Debt.

And he will do that in negotiation with a Republican House and a Democratic Senate.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 2nd, 2012
10:07 am

Jay, someone was inquiring last night if you fulfilled a bet from 2 years ago to buy lunch for one of the regulars on this blog. Do you remember ever making any bets?

bob

October 2nd, 2012
10:07 am

Jay, Obama did say that under his plan building a new coal plant could bankrupt the company building it so you had an extra “no” in your answer.

Ben Shockley

October 2nd, 2012
10:07 am

Actually, I’m being unfair. Obama stated some very concrete plans. Like cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term.

Oops……..

Whatever

October 2nd, 2012
10:07 am

Romney 2012 = no plans. So in 2008 Obama runs on charisma plus Hope and Change. His plans were the oceans would stop rising and the earth would stop getting hotter, etc. Too funny.

I’m not a Romney guy but it is funny to see the libs demanding something from the right that they never got from Obama.

Rightwing Troll

October 2nd, 2012
10:08 am

““Romney has many plans; you get to hear none of them”

Kind of like Obamacare”

You can bet on the fact that Mitten’s plans include trickling on someone, and Obamacare includes giving everybody affordable healthcare and making the moochers who get healthcare for free pay for (at least) some of it.

#1 Foxy Lady

October 2nd, 2012
10:09 am

Martin the Calvinist, you just got pantsed. Please take your shame and skulk away.

stands for decibels

October 2nd, 2012
10:09 am

I’d be willing to bet that Mitt will try to relate to people in the middle class by lowering his televised gentlemen’s wager from $10,000 to $10 while eating a bowl of grits at the same time.

“Cheesy grits”, you mean.

mm

October 2nd, 2012
10:10 am

“A judge is postponing Pennsylvania’s tough new voter identification requirement, ordering that it not be enforced in the presidential election.”

Now that’s gonna leave a mark.

Ben Shockley

October 2nd, 2012
10:10 am

I think Obama also said something about closing Gitmo.

Oops………………

Martin the Calvinist

October 2nd, 2012
10:10 am

Stevie Ray, anyone who owns a private cell phone or has a company provided cell phone pays a universal service charge, those funds are being used to distribute for a gov’t plan that Obama increased it’s scope to give people who get ss disability, snap benefits, TANF, or have no income at all a cell phone.

Doggone/GA

October 2nd, 2012
10:11 am

“I think Obama also said something about closing Gitmo”

And he signed the order to do so. Congress refused to fund it.

Rightwing Troll

October 2nd, 2012
10:11 am

“A judge is postponing Pennsylvania’s tough new voter identification requirement, ordering that it not be enforced in the presidential election.”

Ohhhh noooossss…. all those dead people and fraudulent voters will be allowed to vote…

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
10:11 am

I think Obama also said something about closing Gitmo.

Oops………………

And he tried… and Congress said “NO”. Or do you picture Obama as a dictator like other wingnuts?

Jay

October 2nd, 2012
10:11 am

East Cobb, it wasn’t a bet. I never bet with readers.

I did a lunch to the person who came closest to predicting the outcome of the presidential race, but the person who won — I forget his name, but he was a pretty hard-core libertarian as I recall, and no longer posts here — didn’t seem at all interested in collecting, despite offers and attempts to schedule it.

Jose

October 2nd, 2012
10:11 am

ROMNEY PLAN

BLAME OBAMA
then
BLAME WEATHER
BLAME EUROPE
BLAME THE MIDDLE EAST
BLAME DEMOCRATS

i heard he purchased this plan at obama.com

Ben Shockley

October 2nd, 2012
10:11 am

“Obamacare includes giving everybody affordable healthcare and making the moochers who get healthcare for free pay for (at least) some of it.”

Well you’re half right. Like everything else, Obama’s plan for health care is to make the top 10% pay for everything.

barking frog

October 2nd, 2012
10:11 am

Mitt refuses to reveal his
plans to keep the Democrats
from enacting them.

Ben Shockley

October 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

Obama also promised to focus like a laser on jobs.

Apparently the laser focusing devices are all found on golf courses.

Butch Cassidy (I)

October 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

Donovan – “Do I smell fear? You bet!”

Yes, and it’s coming from your own party. Give it up Donovan, you still have 2016 to look forward to. I’m assuming that 4 years will be enough for you guys to present a decent candidate to run in the next election?

Rightwing Troll

October 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

“Mitt refuses to reveal his
plans to keep the Democrats
from enacting them.”

This in turn keeps Mittens from having to lie and distance hisself from those plans later… brilliant!!!

Greg

October 2nd, 2012
10:13 am

Obama in 2008 – “If somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

I believe this implies that Obama thinks coal is a dirty energy and needs to go. Granted this wasn’t said in a 2012 campaign stop, but I doubt he has changed his mind.

Ben Shockley

October 2nd, 2012
10:14 am

I gotta give credit where credit is due though. Obama’s energy czar stated that he wanted Americans to pay European prices for gasoline, and we are certainly zeroing in on that goal.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 2nd, 2012
10:15 am

Jay

It was jt, and I thought y’all did go to Manuel’s.

Ben Shockley

October 2nd, 2012
10:15 am

Doggone,

According to liberal math, closing a prison camp costs more than keeping it open?

LMAO

bob

October 2nd, 2012
10:16 am

Righwing troll, it is easier to call someone a liar than refute what was said but do you really think Obama does not want to raise taxes on the rich ? That was no lie and he raised taxes on the middle as well but you can deny all you want. Obamacare has a 3.8% investment income tax and 2.3% med device tax. He also want to raise the cap on the pathetic ponzi Social Security which now is 10.2% but has been as high as 12.4%. The Bush cuts expiring is a tax increase as well.

Doggone/GA

October 2nd, 2012
10:16 am

“Obama also promised to focus like a laser on jobs”

and he did. It was Congress that looked the other way.

weetamoe

October 2nd, 2012
10:16 am

Do we have a president yet? Is he doing his job? Does he know what that job is? Want to eliminate low information voters so that only the smart people are allowed to vote? Literacy tests! (for everyone including sitting presidents).

Ben Shockley

October 2nd, 2012
10:16 am

Obama also promised to repair our relationships with foreign countries.

I guess the Libyans didn’t get that hope & change memo………

Aquagirl

October 2nd, 2012
10:16 am

Obama increased it’s scope to give people who get ss disability, snap benefits, TANF, or have no income at all a cell phone.

Like I needed another reason to get a SNAP card….I could run around the grocery store with my cart full of steak, beer, and junk food while talking on my government-issued Obamaphone.

Does anyone know where I can get a cellphone case that says ” FREE Obamaphone?” I guess I’d settle for “Welfare Phone” too.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
10:16 am

I believe this implies that Obama thinks coal is a dirty energy and needs to go.

Seems like a reasonable conclusion… on both your part AND Obams’s. Coal IS a very dirty energy. The only thing going for it is that we have a LOT of it here. Otherwise, it’s just bad for the environment to extract and burn it.

barking frog

October 2nd, 2012
10:17 am

If Mitt never gets elected
at least he gave us
Obamacare.

Martin the Calvinist

October 2nd, 2012
10:17 am

Jay, that’s news to me…fine I guess I’ll take that one back about oil and gas leases but our President sure isn’t so specific on how he’s gonna cut the deficit…all’s he’s mentioned are tax increases and military spending cuts……and he has grown the size of gov’t by signing the health care legislation in place, do you know how many people now will qualify for medicaid under obama care?

TGT

October 2nd, 2012
10:17 am

But at root, I think, it comes down to a lack of trust. Voters have no sense of who this guy is and how he intends to govern…

You mean this guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzMas1bVidw

godless heathen

October 2nd, 2012
10:17 am

In the 90′s, the federal government set up the Lifeline phone service program via a mandate by the FCC. This program, funded by Universal Service Fund fees on telephone bills, provides qualified consumers with discounted (often free) monthly telephone service.

It’s a tax disguised as something else. So the phrase “free cell phones paid for with taxpayers’ dollars” is an accurate description.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

October 2nd, 2012
10:17 am

TROLL,

I don’t have to choose either one…the only time i was more frustrated with the choices was in 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996…..etc.

Its’ too bad all of us fall into this Jerry Springeresque, reality TV, election process without recognizing it doesn’t really matter…DC simply does not work for us…so we get crap input and crap outcomes…

Doggone/GA

October 2nd, 2012
10:18 am

“According to liberal math, closing a prison camp costs more than keeping it open?”

You’ll have to ask Congress that question, not me. Congress refused to fund the closing.

ByteMe - Thugs vs. Ilk... in 3D!

October 2nd, 2012
10:18 am

Obama’s energy czar stated that he wanted Americans to pay European prices for gasoline, and we are certainly zeroing in on that goal.

Yet another lie from Shockley. I’m shocked. Ok, not really shocked. More like resigned to it.

You haven’t been to Europe. What we pay per-gallon, they pay per-liter. We aren’t approaching each other’s price at all.