Dissecting the GOP’s ‘in-person voting-fraud’ fraud

And so it continues: Republicans have yet to identify any evidence anywhere in the country of attempts to alter election outcomes through in-person voting fraud.

None.

Yet in the alternative universe that too many of them occupy — the same universe in which Mitt Romney is up 10 points in “unskewed” polling — they are somehow absolutely certain that it occurs, and these supposed “small-government” types are equally certain that new regulations and state bureaucracies all across the country are necessary to prevent it.

This completely imaginary “problem” has acquired great credence on the right because it is so useful. First, it appears to confirm their vague fear that they must be victims of some nefarious plot — somehow involving poor people who are being manipulated against them — to steal elections and thus power. That sense of emotional confirmation is all the evidence that they need, and conservative media are eager to provide it.

Second — whether by intention or happy circumstance — the story offers GOP politicians an excuse to create new and completely unnecessary obstacles to voting by those who do not possess government identification. In Pennsylvania, for example, the state officially estimated that some 759,000 perfectly eligible voters did not possess and identification of the type required by a new state law.

And in Ohio, Republicans are in court insisting that provisional ballots that were cast in the wrong precinct because of mistakes by polling workers must be tossed out and not counted. in other words, through no fault of their own, legally registered voters who did everything by the book would be stripped of their constitutional right to vote. Only a cynic would suggest that the GOP position is driven by the fact that such mistakes occur far more often in more Democratic urban areas, where precincts are much smaller and tightly drawn, making confusion more likely. It’s not an insignificant problem — in 2008, the state tossed 14,355 such ballots, Bloomburg reports.

In fact, the closest we have to evidence of attempted large-scale vote fraud in the current election cycle is a scandal involving a Republican company hired by the Republican National Committee to conduct voter-registration drives in four swing states, including Florida and Colorada.

In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company — founded by Nathan Sproul, a former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party — has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems. In Florida alone, Sproul’s company was paid $1.3 million for its voter-registration efforts.

Even in this specific case, however, there is no evidence that false registrations were generated in an attempt to alter election outcomes. The fraudulent registrations appear to have been submitted by Strategic Alliance workers who were attempting to increase the number of voters they claimed to register. The phantom voters thus created were not going to turn up at the polls attempting to vote.

However, other aspects of the Strategic Alliance effort might be more troubling. Voter registration is supposed to be nonpartisan, with voters of all inclinations allowed to register. In the past, however, registration drives led by Sproul have been accused of collecting and then tossing out registration forms signed by would-be Democratic voters.

Those voters would believe themselves properly registered, only to show up at the voting booth with no record that they had done so. A recent videotape of a Strategic Alliance registration worker outside a Colorado grocery store suggests there may be some basis to those fears:

– Jay Bookman

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Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:25 am

Sounds like the Strategic Alliance used one of Acorns old training mauals.

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
11:26 am

registration drives led by Sproul have been accused of collecting and then tossing out registration forms signed by would-be Democratic voters.

…which, if it isn’t punishable by jail time, should be. (obviously that goes for anyone pulling that kind of stunt, on any political party.)

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:26 am

manual! Not maual…the dreaded typo.

saywhat?

October 1st, 2012
11:27 am

Used the manuals? Acorn infiltrated Strategic Alliance in a false flag operation. It was Obama’s idea.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
11:27 am

cue the biggest buts, with their but, but, buts

GOP voter suppression is Anti-American and beyond shameful.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:28 am

JAY,

I don’t know much about this issue but 2 questions come to mind..first, if no ID is required, what’s to keep one from registering multiple times under various names? Second, what % of total voter population do the DEMS think could, or are affected by this GOP tactic?

DebbieDoRight - Politics Is A Form Of Illusion And Self Delusion

October 1st, 2012
11:28 am

Did you get a chance to see CurrentTV’s very good expose on Fox News and its close ties to the GOP party? It dealt with the same topic and showed (with video evidence), the close “friendship” between Fox/Gop/Radio Pundits.

The GOP would come out with a talking point, (Voter Fraud), it would be repeated by the White house, Fox News and Radio pundits verbatim

Fascinating stuff.

Regarding your post — I recently did a “google” of Goebbel and his strategies during WWII; obviously the GOP were very good students of his.

As a shout out to the repubs, I think I may change my moniker again, DDR – Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 1st, 2012
11:28 am

Sounds like the Strategic Alliance used one of Acorns old training mauals

And yet the poutrage by the right conned will be dramatically muted. Wonder why?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:29 am

Also, appropos of nothing, attached is an article that 100% explains why neither candidate for any position is worthy of our support..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-the-truth-deficit-from-obama-and-romney/2012/09/30/262c4602-09a5-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:31 am

DEBBIE,

Check out the link I posted…both parties are even on the dishonesty scale…

No news on FOX…I guess the same is true for MSNBC…perhaps?

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
11:32 am

oooh 7th!! Yeah!!!

Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths. — Goebbels

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:32 am

Stevie ray@11:29

That link is spot on. The level of BS from both sides knows no limits.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:33 am

DEBBIE,

How exactly is Current TV funded?

saywhat?

October 1st, 2012
11:33 am

I’m so glad that Republicans think the 57 state thing was a gaffe. What they don’t know is that Obama is picking up extra electoral votes from those 7 unknown states, guaranteeing his reelection in November. Its also why the polls always seem skewed in his favor. Strategic Alliance never got to register voters in those extra states.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:35 am

STEVE,

It is amazing to find such a non-partisan appraisal and confirmation that neither candidate or party have a corner on the bald face liars (albeit often by ommission) market..

Washington Post is an expectional read.

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
11:36 am

what’s to keep one from registering multiple times under various names?

per this:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2004/10/people_who_vote_twice.html

“Intentionally voting more than once in a federal election is a third-degree felony in most states and probably also violates federal election-fraud laws. The punishment varies from state to state but is usually up to five or 10 years in jail and fine of up to $5,000 or $10,000.”

I think the better question to ask is–how many people are going to intentionally risk those kinds of penalties in order to cast a couple of extra votes? I’d think it would be idiotic to knowingly attempt such a thing–the risk-reward ratio is terrible.

Common Sense

October 1st, 2012
11:36 am

Let’s dissect this MARTA report instead. The AJC has not referenced it.

http://www.progressiverailroading.com/prdailynews/news.asp?id=32759

Here are a few highlights:

Other key findings included:

• MARTA is projected to exhaust its reserves by fiscal-year 2018 and fall below its mandated reserve levels by FY2016;

• The agency has $7.1 billion in unfunded capital needs through FY2021;

• High employee-absenteeism rates cost MARTA about $11 million in additional benefits;

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:36 am

I don’t know what’s funnier…Current TV pointing fingers about bias at other networks or Fox calling itself “fair and balanced”.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
11:38 am

Dishonesty? Perhaps. But the award for Voter Suppression 2012, goes to the repubs.

Do you think Karl Rove would like his crown?

He can be Miss VS; and wear those high heels he’s been dying to wear out in public ever since last Halloween when he dressed up as Mamie Eisenhower.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:40 am

STANDS,

What controls do we have in place? Do you really think anyone would give a flip about fine et al if there is no checks and balances to get caught? Just like Acorn helped DEM voting base to figure out how to manipulate entitlements, I doubt it is beneath them to coach voters how to pull using the fact that they have no id, so nobody knows who they actually are..off fraud in this fashion..

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
11:41 am

dB: …which, if it isn’t punishable by jail time, should be. (obviously that goes for anyone pulling that kind of stunt, on any political party.)

Almost half the time, the charges end up getting dropped.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
11:42 am

I don’t know what’s funnier…

…multiple postings of the same drudgey spam.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:42 am

DEBBIE,

I think anyone who votes needs to show id..otherwise, more incentive is provided to register under different names multiple times..no credible efficacy controls are in place unless I’m missing something..

If I’m right, then the DEMS are trying to make sure this sort of fraud is not restricted..

TGT

October 1st, 2012
11:42 am

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
11:44 am

How exactly is Current TV funded?

They’re funded by a magical liberal Fairy, (Barnie to Good Dinosaur), who waves his magic wand and voila! Millions, no billions of dollars magically appear!!!

Clap your hands if you believe in magic!! clap your hands!!! And you have to say it out loud!!

Seriously?

I believe they’re funded just as any other network is – through advertisements, etc. :roll:

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:44 am

Not as funny as posting “drudgery spam” 15 times a day.

“A life is a terrible thing to waste” ~ George Washington

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
11:45 am

doubt it is beneath them to coach voters how to pull using the fact that they have no id, so nobody knows who they actually are..off fraud in this fashion..

AHA! The fact no one is caught is proof this behavior is rampant!!!!!!!

Most of us would need to drink Drano to think like this. I guess it comes naturally to cons.

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
11:45 am

“In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company — founded by Nathan Sproul, a former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party — has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems. In Florida alone, Sproul’s company was paid $1.3 million for its voter-registration efforts.”

This happens while Kyle is on vacation….coincidence?

straitroad

October 1st, 2012
11:46 am

Jay, my wife worked a voting precinct as a poll manager for ten years. She saw more than a handful of people attempt to vote fraudulently in each election. Voting should be taken seriously and there should be a degree of effort put forth from the citizenry to have the privilege.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 1st, 2012
11:47 am

Jay:

How about a thread on how the Obama Administration is trying to keep military personnel from voting !!!!!!!!!!!

getalife

October 1st, 2012
11:47 am

The gop use projection so they are guilty of voter fraud.

The gop debate consistent of blatant lying, deflection and projection.

No intellectual honesty.

So when they say they want honest debate laugh in their face.

southpaw

October 1st, 2012
11:48 am

Wow, Jay! Less than two hours after I raise this as a possible topic, and here it is! You do remember that Finn asked if CONS wanted to talk about it?! :-D

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
11:48 am

Yet in the alternative universe that too many of them occupy…

Is that the same one in which Christianity is not a religion, there are 80 something Communists in the US Congress and George Bush and the PNAC gang are principled conservatives?

TGT

October 1st, 2012
11:48 am

You mean the alternative universe where almost 3/4 of Americans support voter ID laws? (Must be a crowded universe.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/08/12/National-Politics/Polling/release_116.xml?uuid=E1kPqOQZEeGJ93biOpgtBg

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
11:48 am

“Won’t knot, waist knot”
– Thomas Jefferson

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

I don’t see anything wrong with Voter ID laws. Why not give people ample time to get properly registered and have their paperwork in order.. Start the ID laws in 2015.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

NATIONAL DISGRACE !

“The military is seeing a huge drop in absentee ballot requests by service members, according to VirginiaWatchdog.org, a situation which is being called a “national disgrace.”

Eric Eversole executive director of the Project, told Virginia Watchdog despite the implementation of the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment Act in 2009, which was supposed to help military voters obtain absentee ballots, the system isn’t working. Service members simply aren’t getting the same level of voter assistance that civilians receive, he said.”

Read more on Newsmax.com: Huge Dropoff in Military Absentee Ballot Requests Worries GOP
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

F. Sinkwich

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

“In at least 10 counties in Florida, numerous voter registration forms submitted by Strategic Alliance Consulting have been found to be fraudulent. The company…has since been fired by the RNC because of those problems.”

Gee, if SAC’s name was ACORN and was operating for the DNC, the democrats would have provided federal funding for its antics.

JamVet

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

How about a thread on how the Republicans and Mitt Romney are trying to keep military personnel from voting in Ohio?

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

DEBBIE,

As a “progressive site” It’s not difficult to discern who exactly would be buying ad space…Heck Joy Behar is involved…the network was founded by Al Gore and is staffed by all those who are also on America Left…

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

“first, if no ID is required”

Except for mail-in ballots, virtually ALL elections ALREADY require ID. What is changing is the requirement for a picture ID that must be obtained from the state.

weetamoe

October 1st, 2012
11:49 am

Equal protection=everyone present a valid photo id. Does the US have a president? What is his name? What are his responsibilities? Has Romney been designated scape-president? Did anyone see the Fast and Furious report on Univision? Do you know you can get more comprehensive news coverage from Univision, al Jazeera, and the BBC than from Fox News (or ABC,NBC, CBS)?

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
11:50 am

Jay

If you haven’t checked out the research done by News 21, then you should give it a read. They outline what you’re talking about by actually reviewing every case of voter fraud they could get documentation on.

http://votingrights.news21.com/interactive/election-fraud-database/

You can use their database to break down the cases by state and many other different variables. As for Georgia and voter fraud, this is what they found.

Georgia has 301 cases of alleged election fraud since 2000. By category, Election Official had the highest percentage of accused at 48 percent (143 cases), followed by Voter at 27 percent (80 cases). The most prevalent fraud was Absentee Ballot Fraud at 33 percent (99 cases). The status of most cases was Pleaded at 34 percent (103 cases). Responses to requests for public records varied from state to state. Some state and local officials were quick to respond by sending available records; others failed to provide a single document.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 1st, 2012
11:50 am

Well, I don’t know about you, but I see lots of folks at the polls that don’t look like citizens. Even when they show a photo ID. I think a voter ought to look something like you and me before being allowed to vote.

Anyhow, if they don’t have photo ID they can always vote absentee. Heck, even my old blue tick hound Ace could vote absentee. And he would vote with alot more sense than some of the libruls. So what’s the problem? If you don’t want to show a photo ID just vote absentee. Problem solved. Besides, I don’t want to meet up at the polls with people I think might vote different from me.

Have a good lunch everybody. You don’t need to show photo ID to eat lunch someplace, just at the polls. So quit your b!tching.

TaxPayer

October 1st, 2012
11:50 am

Typical cons–breaking the law while accusing others of breaking the law.

stevie ray...clowns and jokers

October 1st, 2012
11:50 am

AQUAGIRL

I guess in you way of thinking, the cops catch 100% of speeders…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
11:51 am

Equal protection=everyone present a valid photo id.

And how much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish this task?

Paul

October 1st, 2012
11:52 am

So we still have no evidence of in-person voter fraud.

But we do have evidence of Republican workers registering only those who would vote for Romney, not registering all unregistered voters, thus leading to less possible votes for Pres Obama.

No wonder the diversions started quicker than usual.

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
11:52 am

I always wondered why convicted felons are restricted from voting. Seems odd….they lose their voice in the democratic process based on what?

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
11:52 am

Do you really think anyone would give a flip about fine et al if there is no checks and balances to get caught?

If they’re no way for checks and balances to work, then WHY cry “Voter Fraud” if you can’t prove it? That’s sort of like crying “Wolf” aint it?

Stevie Ray: I think anyone who votes needs to show id..otherwise, more incentive is provided to register under different names multiple times..no credible efficacy controls are in place unless I’m missing something..

Registration and Voting are two separate things. To register you need an ID — the state checks to make sure that the ID you’ve registered with IS credible.

However, if you’ve been a registered voter for 30 years, going to the same polling place, with only your light bill as evidence of your right to vote at that polling place, (your name is already on the rolls), then WHY would yo suddenly need an I.D.?

If I’m right, then the DEMS are trying to make sure this sort of fraud is not restricted..

WHAT FRAUD?? Please, go to the Justice Department’s website, (oh Noze!! The JD is run by Libber-ALLS!!!); and pull the DATA on the number of voter frauds in the past 50 years.

It’ll help.

Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths. — Goebbels

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
11:54 am

TGT — “You mean this alternative universe?”

Yeah, it’s an alternative universe, all right. An imaginary one — YOUR imagination. :roll:

Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority’s claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election. Columnist Nick Coleman of the Minneapolis-based Star Tribune called the idea that illegal voting by felons made a difference in the race “unbelievable” and the Minnesota Majority report “good fodder for a right-wing scare campaign.”

In October 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office concluded an extensive investigation into 110 allegations of fraud, which resulted in six charges being filed — two individuals were charged with the separate felonies of registering to vote while ineligible and voting while ineligible and four others were charged with voting while ineligible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#Further_investigations

getalife

October 1st, 2012
11:54 am

“Typical cons–breaking the law while accusing others of breaking the law.”

Projection.

But Obama bla bla bla…..

Deflection.

“Sounds like the Strategic Alliance used one of Acorns old training mauals.”

Blatant lie.

I rest my case.

Zero intellectual honesty from the right.

Just mindless bs.

Aquagirl

October 1st, 2012
11:54 am

Read more on Newsmax.com: Huge Dropoff in Military Absentee Ballot Requests Worries GOP
Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

Spamming is sad. If you can’t compose your thoughts and type them, that must truly suck.

Spam that includes the fine print is even sadder, because the spammer didn’t even bother to read and understand what the hell they’re parroting.

Doggone/GA

October 1st, 2012
11:55 am

“they lose their voice in the democratic process based on what?”

It’s part of their punishment. The question is: should they regain it once they have serverd their sentences to completion?

I think the answer is easy, but in some states it’s No.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 1st, 2012
11:55 am

So in Senior Digits world (where the trees are lollipops and unicorn herds roam freely), allegations of taking away the vote from serrvice members demands investigation. Taking away the vote from homeless vets, those of color, students, the elderly and many others who may not have IDs… nothing to see here. :roll: Oh the poutrage!

getalife

October 1st, 2012
11:57 am

We should make the voting process easier not harder cons.

As usual, cons are dead wrong.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

October 1st, 2012
11:58 am

Cons can no longer win without cheating.

Paul

October 1st, 2012
11:59 am

getalife 11:57

There’s something to be said for consistency.

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
11:59 am

“It’s part of their punishment. The question is: should they regain it once they have serverd their sentences to completion?

I think the answer is easy, but in some states it’s No.”

I guess I can see barring inmates from voting (48 states do)….but after you’ve paid your debt, why not let convicted felons vote?

It would be interesting to see how a trip to prison affect’s one’s political viewpoint. Are you more likely to become politically active, are you more likely to move to the right or left on the spectrum?

getalife

October 1st, 2012
11:59 am

Macy hiring 80,000 Americans.

That helps.

stands for decibels

October 1st, 2012
12:00 pm

I always wondered why convicted felons are restricted from voting. Seems odd….they lose their voice in the democratic process based on what?

I think it’s wrong to deny any American citizen their right to vote, even if they’ve committed a heinous crime.

I might not go so far as to allow actual convicts to claim their current residence, since that could create obvious problems (hey, how about a local referendum saying… we all go free?)

But any Republic worth its salt should encourage voter participation amongst all its citizens, rather than looking for new and creative ways to restrict it.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:00 pm

I find it rather funny that you are very upset with voter ID laws and call them voter suppression agents when you need ID’s to

1. Board a plane
2. buy Cigarrettes
3. cash a check
4. go into a club
5. buy alcohol
6. get Social Security

yet, you defend this idiotic notion that anyone should be able to walk up to a polling booth and vote, no need to prove Identity or citizenship…..I don’t get it…..

getalife

October 1st, 2012
12:00 pm

Paul.

Yes, I give them that.

Consistently intellectually dishonest.

OBIWAN

October 1st, 2012
12:02 pm

I think Jay is right we don’t need any ID, make sure you tell that to the cop that pulls you over or the liquor store when you want beer. Or maybe when you want to get your gun permit, tell them you are a democrat and you don’t believe in the need for an ID, right Jay?

Jefferson

October 1st, 2012
12:02 pm

If cheating is so easy, the GOP should cheat, looks like their only chance to win as their ideas suck.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:02 pm

SfD — “I might not go so far as to allow actual convicts to claim their current residence, since that could create obvious problems (hey, how about a local referendum saying… we all go free?)”

I seem to recall that some states *do* count inmates as ‘residents’ for some purposes, leading to increased funding for some sorts of things. However, I don’t recall the details and I haven’t got the bookmark at hand. Perhaps someone else can shed some light on that practice.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

October 1st, 2012
12:02 pm

“This completely imaginary “problem” has acquired great credence on the right because it is so useful. First, it appears to confirm their vague fear that they must be victims of some nefarious plot ”
*******************

Now I am confused. The Republicans are victims? According to Mittster only the 47% democrats are victims. OMG! Everybody is a victim!

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda, Gangland Style!

October 1st, 2012
12:03 pm

As a “progressive site” It’s not difficult to discern who exactly would be buying ad space…Heck Joy Behar is involved…the network was founded by Al Gore and is staffed by all those who are also on America Left…

Who CARES who’s buying space on a TV network? Heck I don’t smoke, have male erectile dysfunction, am pregnant, OR need Depends undepants, yet all these entities buy air space on ALL networks!! Exactly what does it mean as to who buys space and who doesn’t?

Besides, I TOLD you it was the magical liberal fairy (Barnie the Good Dinosaur), who’s funding CurrentTV anyway……………. :roll:

Jefferson

October 1st, 2012
12:03 pm

Martin is full.

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
12:03 pm

1. Board a plane
2. buy Cigarrettes
3. cash a check
4. go into a club
5. buy alcohol
6. get Social Security
————————————

Show me in the U.S. Constitution where any of the 6 listed above are guaranteed.

I’ll wait….

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
12:04 pm

Brietbart.com needs to get ace reporter James O’Keefe on this asap!

Brosephus™

October 1st, 2012
12:05 pm

SBinF

Florida is the most recent state that I can remember that used to automatically restore voting rights when felons were released. Their current governor rescinded that practice and now it’s even harder than it was before to regain rights. I can’t understand how you expect someone to become a functional member in society when you purposefully restrict what functions they can partake.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 1st, 2012
12:06 pm

Amazing how many of the conned are “just becoming aware” or “just don’t get” why there may be issues with photo IDs….. But hey they still don’t understand constitutional rights or how certain groups have been denied the right to vote in the past. Nor do they comprehend that real voter fraud and election fraud is not addressed by photo IDs… but that is not their goal, is it?

Hmmmm and surprisingly their poutrage never seems to be about the cost of implementing a “failed fix” for a so negligible as to be non-existent problem.

Reebok

October 1st, 2012
12:07 pm

It’s only voter fraud when Dems do it.

Old Goober

October 1st, 2012
12:08 pm

I always wondered why convicted felons are restricted from voting. Seems odd….they lose their voice in the democratic process based on what?

I suspect that the rationale is more than “part of the punishment.” I suspect the rationale is to prevent a person from striking back at the system that convicted him/her. In any case, the punishment amounts to a lifetime ban from participation in the voting system in many states. It’s similar to the lifetime employment ban that employers impose on convicted felons, no matter how long ago the conviction occurred.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:08 pm

oh no. 7 purchase a gun and get a permit to carry concealed or open…

and SBinf, I’ll wait while you show me where in the Constitution that voting is a guaranteed right?

Reebok

October 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

Electoral-vote.com has Obama at 347 today, with 276 EC votes pretty much locked up.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

Is there some kind of drinking game going on here whenever Keep says “poutrage”?

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

heck, you even need an ID to legally enter this country

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

M. Calvinist — “yet, you defend this idiotic notion that anyone should be able to walk up to a polling booth and vote, no need to prove Identity or citizenship…..I don’t get it…..”

I don’t support that “idiotic notion” and I have no problem with having voters prove identity and citizenship. However, the GOP’s execution on that is totally screwed. In almost every case, Republicans dither about it and then get all serious about moving forward just months before an election takes place — thereby making them look like they’re trying their damndest to suppress voters.

If you want a national ID system — which IMO is the only way to secure our voting system and our job market — then go high-tech and get an early start. Get both parties to agree on things like biometrics in the ID, and announce WAY in advance when you’ll have to have the card. But also give people a big window to get it, and help the elderly and disabled to obtain it. For example, when developing the national ID system, say (for example) ‘okay, the IDs will be required on January 1, 2018, but you can start getting them on January 1, 2017. You need to get it, because it’s your Social Security card, proof of citizenship, your Medicare card, your work authorization in the US and your voter ID all in one. If you don’t get it, you’re going to be hosed as of 1/1/2018.’

Besides, driver’s licenses don’t prove citizenship. Every state’s DL is forgeable.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:10 pm

Joe, that’s reasonable to me, to give it more time….

SBinf

October 1st, 2012
12:11 pm

“and SBinf, I’ll wait while you show me where in the Constitution that voting is a guaranteed right?”

I don’t know if you’ve heard of this thing…passed over 40 years ago, and held up as constitutional. Hmm, what was it called….Oh yeah….the VOTING RIGHTS ACT of 1965. Unless I’m mistaken, there is no such ‘Board a Plane Rights Act’ or ‘Buy Cigarettes Rights Act.’

BuckeyeInGa

October 1st, 2012
12:12 pm

Registration and Voting are two separate things. To register you need an ID — the state checks to make sure that the ID you’ve registered with IS credible.

However, if you’ve been a registered voter for 30 years, going to the same polling place, with only your light bill as evidence of your right to vote at that polling place, (your name is already on the rolls), then WHY would yo suddenly need an I.D.?

This is key. No matter how long your voter history is, someone can say you’re not eligible to vote. Another issue with the law is which type of id is considered valid.. is a gun id valid? is a college id valid? are certain college ids valid and other are not valid?

getalife

October 1st, 2012
12:12 pm

martin thinks poor people leave our country to vacation in the Swiss Alps with romney.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

October 1st, 2012
12:13 pm

JamVet:

“How about a thread on how the Republicans and Mitt Romney are trying to keep military personnel from voting in Ohio?”

And as usual, you have it exactly backwards:

1) Headline (Forbes Magazine): “Military Interests May Sway Vote In Ohio, A Key State For Republicans”

“If election results in other states are any indication, most of those military personnel will be voting Republican”.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2012/10/01/military-interests-may-sway-vote-in-ohio-a-key-state-for-republicans/

2) Headline (Huffington Post): “Early Voting Begins Amid Court Challenges In Various States”

“In 2011, Ohio legislators passed a law eliminating early in-person voting the last three days before Election Day for everyone BUT (emphasis added) members of the U.S. military.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/early-voting-2012-elections_n_1899522.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

booger

October 1st, 2012
12:13 pm

The fact that their have been no arrest or convictions is simply because voter fraud at the polling place is virtually impossible to police. Once a person casts a ballot, and leaves, there is no way to identify the person, or that the crime has taken place.

We do know through other evidence that fraud has taken place. When votes are cast by people long deseased fraud has occurred. When there are more voters in an election than registered voters, fraud has occurred. Both of these situations have occurred more than once.

Those who are against the ID law likewise cannot find potential voters who have been affected. They are against the law because they fear someone may be affected. Likewise those who support the law do so because someone may commit fraud, and this will be a deterant.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 1st, 2012
12:13 pm

Oh noooo Stevis is still pouting from last week….. :lol:

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
12:14 pm

“heck, you even need an ID to legally enter this country”

Why on earth would someone be allowed to vote absentee in this state???????

Where is the outrage????????

getalife

October 1st, 2012
12:14 pm

They tried to cheat right before the election so the courts could not stop it in time.

Then they wonder why no Americans trust them.

N-GA

October 1st, 2012
12:15 pm

It’s a lot like drug testing people who receive welfare. The GOP probably has lobbyists (Ralph Reed, maybe) standing by ready to get paid big bucks for performing the testing. Similar to all these for-profit driving schools where people are sent to get driving rehabilitation? I’m sure that really works. Or like requiring people seeking a divorce to get mediation. I bet everyone here knows how well that works. The lawyers make out like bandits! Of course you have to consider how many legislators are lawyers. Or perhaps look at the requirement to have closing attorneys for real estate transactions. $700-$1000 down the tubes. Not a requirement in most other states.

Joe Hussein Mama

October 1st, 2012
12:15 pm

M. Calvinist — “Joe, that’s reasonable to me, to give it more time….”

Seriously, I don’t think that most liberals have a problem with voter IDs per se. I think that most of them see the *way* conservatives are going about it as the problem. Half-arsed, rushed attempts to put laws in place right before elections and citizens not knowing or understanding how to comply? That’s a recipe for people getting screwed out of their votes, IMO.

Let’s come together on both sides, work out a proper and SECURE way to do it, and then make it happen by a pre-announced date certain. Everyone wins that way — we get a secure voting system and nobody gets screwed out of their opportunity to vote.

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:16 pm

here you go SBinf……there are things in the Constitution that says you can’t put restrictions on voting but no right to Vote is in the Constitution….

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#vote

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

October 1st, 2012
12:16 pm

Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette

October 1st, 2012
11:27 am

Granny G,
The GOP has, time and time again, proven that they ARE Anti-American. I don’t understand how most people can’t see this.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

October 1st, 2012
12:16 pm

“Oh noooo Stevis is still pouting from last week….”

You must have the wrong but at least you didn’t say “poutrage” again. :)

DannyX

October 1st, 2012
12:16 pm

I’ll bet you $10,000 not a single conservative can answer this,

What sense does it make to ask for id when voting in person but not by absentee ballot?

barking frog

October 1st, 2012
12:17 pm

Citizenship should be
awarded like a bar/bat
mitzvah.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

October 1st, 2012
12:17 pm

If you want a national ID system — which IMO is the only way to secure our voting system and our job market — then go high-tech and get an early start.

Joe Hussein Mama

Is there an estimate on how much this high-tech ID will cost?

The estimate of eligible voters in the US is 207,643,594.

I’m thinking that the cost of producing and distributing this ID is gonna be enormous.

barking frog

October 1st, 2012
12:17 pm

Citizenship should be
awarded with a celebration like a bar/bat mitzvah.

Rightwing Troll

October 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

“The military is seeing a huge drop in absentee ballot requests by service members, according to VirginiaWatchdog.org, a situation which is being called a “national disgrace.”

Eric Eversole executive director of the Project, told Virginia Watchdog despite the implementation of the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment Act in 2009, which was supposed to help military voters obtain absentee ballots, the system isn’t working. Service members simply aren’t getting the same level of voter assistance that civilians receive, he said.”

Maybe the boots on the ground are tired of warmongering and realize that Mittens and the rest of the chairborne 101st (the Chickenhawks) have Iran in their sights now…

Martin the Calvinist

October 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

getalife, dude, you need one…..you don’t know me to well……the last thing I am is rich…..or a true defender of the rich….I’m just a dude who wants an opportunity, not a gov’t handout….or a gov’t to darn large that it consumes the nations wealth….